October 23rd, 2013

SKETCH: A Pilgrim Stitch-Up

If you have pitchforks and flaming torches, they’ll come in handy. It’s not obvious where Plebgate is going to lead. If this is the level of integrity in the police, there’ll be a Royal Commission at the end of it.

Keith Vaz’s committee has quite excelled itself in arraigning the officers at the sharp end of the Plebgate scandal.

They haven’t been condemned but in the unusual words of the Chair “we have found your evidence unsatisfactory”. In English – “We think you’re lying through your teeth which is why you cover your mouth with your hands, why your mouths are dry, why you mumble furtively, why you want to talk about hindsight and your state of mind at the time, and you keep saying, “Can you repeat the question?”

Nicola Blackwood repeated hers four times and answer came there none. She recapped one version of the position.

The three police officers were talking to Andrew Mitchell. They accepted his apology. They admired his candour. They said that the next development would be an investigation by the Met into the conduct of the Downing St officers who’d traduced him. And then they called a halt to the meeting without ever going on to the reason they’d asked for it.

Then they went outside and called for his resignation. Could anyone explain? Anyone?

The response was, eventually: “Could you repeat the question?”

Even more eventually, an answer began, “The account in the Telegraph – “

“That’s not what I’m asking you!” Ms Blackwood has a slow pulse but she was almost indignant. “I’m asking why you went out and gave a completely different account of what had happened in the meeting?”

Vaz poked the three no-evil monkeys before them. “Can someone give her an answer!”

Chris Jones (the brawn) started, “From my state of mind at the time I’m not sure that was my position.” But the committe had already run out of patience.

They recounted how the three officers – Stuart Hinton (lackey) and Ken MacKaill (the brains) had called for a meeting with their MP in order “to clear the air” and to register their concerns about police cuts. Also that they had hired a PR adviser to advise them. And that they had instructed the PR adviser not to reveal the location of the meeting to the media. The PR had tweeted earlier “Andrew Mitchell’s fate will be decided when he meets three Mercian officers”. And he was receiving calls from the media in the car on the way to the meeting. And the meeting stopped at 5.45 without the main agenda being addressed, and the officers went out to tell the media in time for the 6 o’clock news that the Government chief whip had given an unsatisfactory account of events and should resign.

It is an impressive experience watching policemen struggle under this sort of questioning. Normally I argue for counsel to do this for committees – in this case they acquitted themselves with elan. James Clappison, Lorraine Fullbrooke, Chris Ruane and David Winnick all should be mentioned but even the internet hasn’t room.

Mark Reckless determined they weren’t just police officers they were Police Federation officials. Pilgrims. Union activists. They had been waging a personalised campaign at such a level as to cause the head of the Federation to tell them to desist.

As an indication of their reliability, Vaz asked who the “this woman” was, in a transcript of their campaign conversation. A disparaging reference to an important part of their over-personal campaign against the cuts.

“It’s a typo,” Stuart Hinton said. That’s worth remembering whenever the police want to draw a distinction between “misleading”, “intentionally misleading” and “lying like flatfish”.

Then, the transcript was inaccurate. “I don’t remember saying that.”

And when Vaz said it was clearly referring to the Home Secretary, Hinton said, “No.” That’s bravura!

Michael Ellis suggested they had been “spinning a yarn to get someone out of high public office.”

Jones answered with another question, “What was my state of mind at the time? I had no intention to deceive.”

And “there was no conspiracy to unseat Mr Mitchell.”

Ellis went through the media advisor, and their journey to the meeting, and the calls from the media. “You thought collectively you could bring down a member of the Government.”

One of them – it could have been any of them – said, “I absolutely refute that.” (He meant “reject”.)

They still maintain, against all and any odds, they were innocent of revealing the address of the meeting to the media. They didn’t know there’d be media there until the calls in the car.

And (from Julian Huppert, neatly deduced) the media plan was only drawn up in the car.

It was, in the old-fashioned phrase a farrago. Their apology to Mitchell was especially loathsome. Ken MacKaill said, “Andrew Mitchell’s casual dismissal of police integrity” justified their actions.

And so they apologised to their colleagues and to the public for “poor judgement” in speaking to the media without thinking about it in a more considered way.

Vaz put it: “It was the choreography you were apologising for rather than what you said.” They agreed. “We did not lie” tiny pause “intentionally.”

The truth can be glimpsed, by mistake.

Now, back at the top of the hearing, the Investigating Officer Jerry Reakes-Williams seemed to emerge relatively unscathed – but it may not last. He had prepared a report on the three officers recommending a misconduct hearing.

He said the Independent Police Complaints Commission had told him to remove the conclusions and send the report to the Chief constables concerned. The IPCC in the form of Deborah Glass – up next – flatly denied this. She was amazed at what she saw in the report. Far from a recommendation for an investigation of gross misconduct (sackable), or even misconduct, the report’s conclusion was “no case to answer”. And that had been appended by the Appropriate Authority – the chief constables who came up last.

If they are the men running those police forces – God help the Midlands.

So, polish up your pitchforks, there’ll be more and more of this in the weeks ahead.


  1. 1
    Fees Office Clerk says:

    Move along, nothing to see here.

  2. 2
    Yeah, right.... says:

    Jesus, how far must one have fallen in life when one is given lessons in integrity by the Hon Keith Vaz?

  3. 3
    fernando's pants says:

    “From my state of mind at the time I’m not sure that was my position.”

    Flannel of the highest fucking order….!

  4. 4
    Leamas says:

    Those three lying bastard cops belong in a cell.

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    The British media are cunts says:

    Why were the plods complaining about the media being there at time? They were the fuckers who arranged it.

    Lying fuckers I can see loads of barristers using this to get people off if any of these three fucks are in court giving evidence.

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    Johan says:

    Loving the sketches, Simon, Guido… thanks!

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    Anonymous says:

    Im a retired policeman and watching the performance of the three officers this afternoon was completely embarrassing. They should be ashamed – they should just say sorry and move on !

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    A nincumpoop says:

    Welcome, Simon. 10/10.

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    Irritable Sod says:

    The Chief Constables were just as bad. They couldn’t agree, couldn’t answer questions and didn’t think they need to apologise to Andrew Mitchell although they all did. Then they couldn’t see the irony of apologising. It was astonishing stuff.

    All the MPs did themselves proud. I hope they when they reconvene, they do not let up on prodding these police officers who really do think they are above the law.

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    Evening All says:

    I watched the car crash as it happened ……….To summarise the evidence before the committee…it seems that the IPCC view was that there was sufficient evidence for a case of “Gross Misconduct; the Senior Investigating Officer recommended that there was a case for “Misconduct” and his deputy thought there was not; the “Appropriate Authority” i.e. 3 Deputy Chief Constables from respective forces found that there was “No case to answer”………As one chief constable said to Vaz I have forgotten which draft of the findings you are referring to is it A;B;C or D…….?????

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    Police NIL MPs 8 says:

    I recommend everyone to watch it on either the Parliament Website or BBC Parliament when it is released….it was one of the most excruiating sessions of a HoC Committee I can recall for some time as each successive member of HM Constabulary went down in flames before the relentless fire of the MPs on the commitee

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    Bernard Hyphenated-Howe says:

    Provincial bizzies, wouldn’t last 5 minutes in the Met.

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    maturecheese says:

    I think they reflect the standard of the Police Farce today.

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    A Maimed Badger says:

    It takes time to fit into a New Job, however in this report, it seems we are getting there, at last….

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    Anonymous says:


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    Well I never did !!! says:

    One of the Police Federation Reps was asked who was “That Conservative Woman”(May presumably)to whom he referred in an interview.The quote was read out and he seemed firstly to say it was a typo blaming an unknown typist and then that it was a grammatical error as it didn’t make sense being stuck in the middle of a sentence and then that he never said it at all……..!!!!!

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    Long John Silver's parrot says:

    The thing that stands out for me is that David Cameron was happy to appoint as his Chief Whip someone who was quite happy to surreptitiously record a private meeting.

    That is below the belt in any walk of life; the correct way to have dealt with it was to raise the matter of any recording and/or minutes before the meeting even started.

    We have got used to the Yanks doing this type of thing but now it is our own kind.

    As a Christian man of honour and integrity I would hope Andrew Mitchell will be resigning from public life immediately and will henceforth run a home for fallen women just like John Profumo did.

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    Anonymous says:

    I thought I heard one of them say they were full time on federation duty. I hope none of them were ever promoted while not being active within the police service.

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    Mr Quelch says:

    Politicians : Rozzers. Safe to assume they were all lying their collective a$$$s off.

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    Loopy Lou LLB ( Hons ) says:

    That copper was a bit thick.

    When Vaz asked him about an exchange of letters that he claimed put him in a bad light the copper said he could not recall the letters. He asked Vaz to point the letters out to him and Vaz couldn’t preferring instead to move on quickly to another point.

    If the copper had stood his ground here that could have been interesting. If Vaz as Inquisitor in Chief could not point to the letters he was relying upon that would have been funny. If it transpired that he was relying on letters he had chosen not to disclose beforehand therefore affording the copper time to defend himself that would have put the Parliamentarians in a very bad light.

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    kitler says:

    Like Andrew Mitchell tried to? The only thing they should move on to is the nonce wing of the local nick. I here that’s where your lot go when you get caught.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    Along with the 650 lying traitorous politicians.

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    Anonymous says:

    bit harsh but I can see where you are coming from

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    6 fingers from Norfolk says:

    Nights pulling in the police will start falling over in petrol stations soon.

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    Casual Observer 4 says:

    All is fair in love and war.

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    Stockwell Tube says:

    He should have handed the tape over to the Police who would have then declared Mitchell’s recorder wasn’t working and there was nothing on the tape.

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    D. Rose says:

    Loving the sketches, Simon, Guido… thanks!

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    flying over the Westminster Village says:

    Tolstoy’s epic of course has a happy ending.

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    phil from Pentonville says:

    I bet Stuart Hall is a happy man tonight.

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    Irritable Sod says:


    In the light of what happened today, it’s a really good thing that meeting was recorded.

    Oh yes, you are joking. Aren’t you?

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    Eazy A'ndrew M'itchell MP says:

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    Plod says:

    This won’t affect my lovely gold-plated, index-linked pension, will it ?

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    Anonymous says:

    Three alarming things about this affair:

    1. The police lie to bring down a minister.
    2. More police collude in covering up the lie.
    3. I find myself grudgingly respecting Keith Vaz.

    Which is the most worrying?

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    Ban The Left says:

    Yes: Socialism dies.

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    Tony Blair says:

    If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear

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    fernando's pants says:

    Number 3……

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    Phil from Pentonville says:

    I think the most worrying thing is the expenses claims for all this.

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    John Presclott-Style Click Crime says:

    Nice ad about ‘Class’ I’m viewing at the top of this page Guido, featuring pictures of Abbottopotamus, Owen Jones, Polly, and some woman I don’t recognise. I must admit to clicking on it (once) to see what it was all about. I note all the speakers are referred to as ‘high profile’, but inexplicably not as being ‘classy’ themselves, or intelligent, or having any real idea of what’s going on, or what to do about it.

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    Jimmy says:

    “If you have pitchforks and flaming torches,”

    If? Have you read this blog before?

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    Excellent analysis.

    We showed poor judgement in speaking to the media after meeting Mr Mitchell

    Only said because that found them out!

    FFS! These police officers are criminals. And we have put them in uniforms.

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    Alex Dumas says:

    No 650: when the attack is from outside it is all for one and one for all.

    You didn’t really think Cameron was going to cull 65 of his own kind and stop the subsidies in the staff canteen?

    Sauteed mushrooms and baked beans for breakfasr served on a lightly toasted and buttered slice of brown wholegrain bread.

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    kitler says:

    And I see where you are coming from too. I’d like to live in a world where a sincere apology is all that’s needed to make nonsense like this go away.

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    Rolf Harris says:

    I am an innocent man.

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    And Plod Barely Whinced says:


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    Dixon of the Green Cock says:

    It looks like they are already sowing the seeds of an insanity plea and a luxurious early retirement due to ‘stress’

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    Corporal Larkin says:

    If I employed someone and they did something as underhand and despicable as that I would have them on a charge straight away.

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    Anonymous says:

    Fucking coppers are scum

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    Ban The Left says:

    A progressive is a liberal gone wrong.

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    Barnehurst Bob says:

    The police pension fund has a large hole in it, which will no doubt have to be filled by the tax payer. If these liars are sacked why can’t we return all their contributions plus interest? Why should I, a tax payer, who can’t afford a pension work on to pay tax to subsidise thier cosy life style?

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    Kieran E says:

    I actually find the police officer’s defence of their actions not just not credible, but irrational, as I cannot fathom the internal logic used to make it seem reasonable.

    After all, whether they ‘intended to mislead’ or not, they bloody well did mislead the public and that was a contributing factor to a senior government figure losing his job, so whether they conspired to that effect or not is pretty irrelevant, it was certainly willfully reckless at the very least.

    Not the most dispicable thing the police have ever been up to, but certainly among the more sinister given they would aid in bringing down a minister attending Cabinet.

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    Anonymous says:

    That was what I thought too. Reassure me…. he is a slimeball, isn’t he?

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    Casual Observer 4 says:

    We are forgetting what appeared to be collusion with cabinet office staff as well.

    Took an awful long time for that tape to get to Dave, didn’t it. But someone made sure he saw the dodgy email from the off duty officer first, sealing M’itchell’s whip fate.

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    Pale Sherry says:

    Apology not accepted. They have tried to subvert our democracy, something which in a sane country would be an imprisonable offence

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    altruism in industry says:

    It’s clear things are fucked up big time. the bloody EU, the immigration, the fractured society, the pretend enterprise system. Time is for action, no longer can politicos piss about at the fringes hoping the Europeans aren’t too beastly to us and we’ll muddle through. Big changes are required.

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    Pale Sherry says:

    So what? Parliamentarians are put in a bad light every day.

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    golly says:

    You mean move out and straight into a cell.

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    A Doctor says:

    Not if you end up being treated like chaff

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    kitler says:

    All the plod bashing aside, as long as they keep gunning down the Duggans they are all right with me.

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    fernando's pants says:

    I wonder what would have happened if this fustercluck had occurred in China……

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    Athelstan says:

    We need to mobilise the army

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    Old Palace Yard Plod says:

    The most worrying aspect of this case is that plod got caught out in what should have been a very easy stitch up.

    The standard of policing is not what it once was.

  62. 62
    Max Clifford says:

    Yes I think he is innocent too alongside myself and my 998 celebrity clients who have all been on police bail unnecessarily for the last two years.

  63. 63
    An angry taxpaying pleb says:

    We could subcontract out policing to Remploy?

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    The Nooooz Agendah says:

    Ah, but it has kept you all nicely quiet, hasn’t it?

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    Barnehurst Bob says:

    You dope, he knew he was being fitted up! If the police had been HONEST and UPRIGHT he would not have needed to release the recording. The police LIED and then LIED again. They got caught, thankfully. Well done for recording it.

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    ACPO Ltd says:

    Policing has been outsourced for years

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    Mornington Crescent says:

    Comment of the week. Bar none.

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    Podiceps says:

    Dunno about pitchforks and flaming torches, which are seldom mentioned here. But I have seen many, many calls to hang politicians from lamp posts with piano wire. And as I walk along the streets of Westminster, I see no lamp posts used in this way. Which suggests to me that this blog has less influence than you suppose.

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    Mornington Crescent says:


    Bent coppers fitting up a democratically-elected MP to the point where he resigns is just… “nonsense”?


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    Anonymous says:

    You just got every bit of that wrong. But you meant to, didn’t you? You are a Common Purpose c*nt and a police officer, aren’t you?

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    fernando's pants says:

    He has delusions of competence.

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    Disgraceful says:

    Corrupt scumbags. An example must be made of these despicable liars

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    Unlike you to forget a question mark!

    To your point, public servants of any type were elevated in the Labour years to High Priests (and paid accordingly). When you get to that level of delusional grandeur, a mere change of government is rather less important than a change in office wallpaper.

    When I was still at school, the wise elderly used to tell me that eventually the whole world would end up as communist. Of course, I did not believe them. Then that brief interlude of the 80s which culminated in what was proclaimed as The Fall of Communism.

    Illusory as it now appears. A false dawn.

    The sequence within Downing Street which led to the Chief Whip stepping down is now so clearly visible as a managed event. Who notices?

    The fact that these people can now openly lie in public, in the face of conflicting evidence, and get away with it, simply serves to prove that all connection with reality is now lost.

    I might as well go out and claim to be Elvis and get stinking rich by it… That actually makes more sense.

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    Courvoisier says:

    Afraid all this shows is that when it comes to flannel, spin and outright lies, these three are rank amateurs when compared to politicians.

    The fact still remains Mr Mitchell swore at the officers on the gate over a petty issue. Only he and those officers on the day know the truth over what he did or didn’t call them.

    The first apology to Mr Mitchell should come from Dave who hung him out to dry without a full enquiry.

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    Milibandwagon says:

    Nothing to see here. Stop jumping on bandwagons.

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    Person from Porlock says:

    Fuck the Scotch!

    They don’t need petrol anyway.

    They can burn peat as they used to in previous centuries.

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    M'Learned Friend says:

    Notice how McKail (the one who said that Mitchel had “refused” to elaborate) sat in the middle and allowed his colleagues to take most of the heat. And notice how the ACC/DCC of two of the forces sought to rationalise their officers’ assertions as to Mitchell’s conduct in the meeting by reference to media interviews printed months AFTERwards. If the ACCs/DCCs are so stupid, what can we realistically expect of the pond life on display today?

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    CCTV way of life says:

    And if the police had told the truth the tape wold never have been heard.

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    Milibandwagon says:

    I have always said how much I love these sketches. I think we need to be prepared to call them out … But they should be all about me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me

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    CCTV way of life says:

    Gunpowder is more traditional

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    Inspector Gadget has been deleted says:

    Well..our thought process was this.
    Fitting up the Irish for bombing..that was bad.

    Lying and falsifying evidence at Hillsborough. That was very bad.

    So this..seemed so trivial not really a bad thing at all

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    It’s the traditional welcome around here, Jimmy.

    Your lot, north of the wall, have the Glaswegian kiss after all.

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    Inspector Gadget has been deleted says:

    Oh yes..shooting that electrician dead on the tube. Then saying he was running away and not just sitting in a carriage..that was a little bit bad.

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    HEARDITALL says:

    Whats left of it!

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    This is the outcome that matches our worst fears, Scotland’s first minister Alex Salmond said, adding that the Scottish government was trying to find a buyer.

    What, exactly, has the Scottish government got to sell? Their arse cheeks?

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    Dull, it isn't! says:

    When we used to kick the tail lights in on cars to write a ticket, people used to get upset. So we knicked them for swearing too.

    Thought we’d wind up old thrasher. Wind him up to puce. Then make up a little story.
    Get him chucked out. Then tell home sec May, privately, she would be next if she didn’t double our pensions.

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    Big Ben says:

    Sack ‘em. No pension

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    Unite won a great victory says:

    They have a high quality, ageing, workforce who can refine fuel much more expensively than almost anywhere else in the world.
    A workforce who thinks that because they’ve done it for a long time they should be paid more than anyone else.

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    Oscar Wilderness says:

    He is a lot better than that H@rry сunt, isn’t he, Badger, me old mucker?

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    Where's England's Parliament? says:

    Scottish Executive.

    As Labour kept telling us.

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    The British police are reprehensible murderous cunts says:

    Signed: Mr Tomlinson.

    And everyone else in the UK.

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    K-K-KKRRRE-EEERRKK!!! (scruffle) (cuttle) says:

    Er, no, actually. :-)

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    Anonymous says:

    All police officers upon reaching the rank of chief superintendent are administered an oath of allegience to the monarch… Ditto mp’s when making it into the privy council. You do know the reality of what “administered” in oath terms really means? It is simple- we live in a dictatorship pretending to be a democracy. Defence of the realm always supercedes defence of the crown. Right now the crown are a bunch of inbred eastern european satanists pretending to be german j3\/\/s pretending to be english protestants.

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    Albert Pierrepoint says:

    Have you ever tried chopping your own head off?

    These people have got the closest to anyone on the face of the planet though all of recorded history.

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    Anonymous says:

    What is amazing in this day and age is that everyone is not recording meetings for their private protection.

    It works a treat. But if you want a recording that the MPs covered up, of government threats to a person, then just ask around. You will find it.

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    Andrew Efiong says:

    Polish up your pitchfork?

    No sir, I shall keep mine rusty. All the better for skewering these pompous coppers!

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    The British police are reprehensible murderous cunts says:

    Trouble is, the usless fucking lefty scum in the UK’s police ‘service’ gun down everyone else as well.

    qv Tomlinson, Menezes, and all those normal people who had their heads smashed-in in Parliament Square for complaining about Liebore’s ban on fox hunting.

    Did any Muzzie get their head smashed in for screaming “bomb bomb Britain!”?

    No. The reprehensible pigshit police farce left the latter well alone.

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    Jacob Bronowski says:

    It is really like watching a movie, Isn’t it? :-)

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    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

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    P says:

    Don’t be stupid – just as well
    He had the foresight to record the crooks – they should now be prosecuted and shut away – just like the plod seem so keen to do to reporters

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    Can't remember my moniker says:

    Its piquancy is in the recognition that there is a disturbing element of truth in it.

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    danny nolan says:

    I think you’ll find the scots still burn peat.

    Do keep up.

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    anon says:

    Normal people go to prison for perverting the course of justice, they will get away with it. Ellis was a star. Now the press need to reveal who tipped them off about the meeting to get back for Leveson

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    Can't remember my moniker says:

    If Ken MacKaill is an example of our best brains, then truly, verily, ineluctably, we are fucked.

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    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    And probably Pete as well.

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    Podiceps says:

    Not so. In 1995 the Polish farmer Krystof Azninski manage to cut his own head off. Azninski, 30, had been drinking with friends when it was suggested they strip naked and play some “men’s games”.

    Initially they hit each other over the head with frozen turnips, but then the other man picked up a chainsaw and cut off the end of his foot. Not to be outdone, Azninski grabbed the saw and, shouting “Watch this then,” he swung at his own head and chopped it off.

    “It’s funny,” said one companion, “when he was young he put on his sister’s underwear. But he died like a man.”

    He won a Darwin Award in 1996, posthumously, of course:


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    How to tell a lying police officer to go fuck himself politely says:

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    JadedJean says:

    Tread carefully my friend!

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    Anonymous says:

    Bye Bye Scotland. You had your chance, now you are on benefits.

    You ended up in the Union because you could not invest properly in overseas ventures, now you can not even invest in your home ventures. It did not require money, just people willing to work.


    “Grangemouth is an important employer and the 800 jobs lost by the closure of the petrochemicals plant are a big loss.

    Along with the refinery, Grangemouth employs another 2,000 contractors and the refinery’s owner, Ineos, estimates that 10,000 jobs indirectly rely on the site.

    Due to the refinery and the associated chemicals business, the Falkirk area employs more people in manufacturing than the rest of Scotland combined.”

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    Person from Porlock says:

    Not exclusively, now…

    There is an expression: tempting fate, You have just called its bluff. It is holding four aces.

    Hope your hand is better.

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    Not The Nine O'clock News says:

    Police Telling Lies (Again)

    He was lucky he didn’t step on a crack in the pavement!

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    Person from Porlock says:

    The only thing which is refined is your observation. :-)

  113. 113
    Climate Change: Proof ! says:

    Latest reason from Dave and the Eco-Mongs for putting up energy costs:

    Yes: If energy is made affordable, several tornado’s full of sharks will decimate Britain.

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    Questions of our time says:

    So is that why the UK does not have a Republican party ?

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    Albert Pierrepoint says:

    My dearest Ta Pody

    As is normal, you never fail to astound me with your encylopaedic knowledge of such ephemera, not to mention the more substantive observations. You glide from one to another with all the fluidity of Proteus.

    However, if you would care to read to the end of your own link… :-D

  116. 116
    Anonymous says:

    I saw some of the proceedings on the Telegraph site,and Keith Vaz was very good.

  117. 117
    Anonymous says:

    To be fair, the politicians havent lied to get an elected MP sacked.There is no comparison.

  118. 118
    A radar speed trap says:

    “He was running at 72 in a 70″

    Holy moly!

  119. 119
    Anonymous says:

    Is anyone going to show a sentence or two from what the federation cops said, and then highlight the part in the transcript of their meeting with Mitchell which is contradicted by what they said outside?

    Or we just all going with the popular BBC/MP trope of ‘guilty GUILTY GUILTY’?

    Remember, this strange show today was a committee consisting entirely of MPs. And Mitchell, he was, is , uh, an MP….

    Ah, that’ll be fine then, what could possibly go wrong. A bit like having a suspected burglar tried by a jury of burgled householders.

    A fine old British institution.The witchsmeller. Eugh.

  120. 120
    Anonymous says:

    They also timed their departure from the Andrew Mitchel interview for 545pm to coincide with the 6pm news apparently.

  121. 121
    Jen The Blue says:

    So our illustrious political leaders are finally coming round to the reality that our police force is institutionally corrupt?

    Hallelluia !

  122. 122
    T May says:

    Yankee go home

  123. 123
    altruism in industry says:

    that’s bollocks, the cops weren’t telling lies. He looked at the car as they drove past as he thought the guy was on the phone and as he was looking back saw that there was an illegal number plate.

  124. 124
    Anonymous says:

    Move on ? isnt this a criminal offence, you know lying so an elected MP is sacked.Surely they should go to jail ?

  125. 125
    Not usually a Vaz fan says:


  126. 126
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    From idiot cop to tolerant cop:

  127. 127
    Anonymous says:

    Im at a loss to know why there was any question of them being innocent when the transcript was released, they came out with bare faced lies !

  128. 128
    Vazoline says:

    Honesty, integrity and transparency are my watchwords and principles

  129. 129
    Soapy tits says:

    I am looking for hard evidence

  130. 130
    Anonymous says:

    Are you serious ?

  131. 131
    Anonymous says:

    I read that all 3 of them work full time on union business.I thought “Pilgrims ” were beeing phased out ?

  132. 132
    Anonymous says:

    But when did you last hear of a politician getting somebody sacked ?

  133. 133
    Diane Fatbott says:


  134. 134
    More Green Agenda Bullshit says:

    According to Stella Creasy in November 2009, Bangladesh would ‘disappear’ if Ed Miliband didn’t get the world to agree with him and Gordon at Copenhagen Summit.

    As we now know, the world ignored Ed and his stupid boss. Oddly enough, Bangladesh has not disappeared. What has disappeared is all mention of Ms Creasy’s vote-seeking concern for the existential threat to Bangladesh on her website.

    It’s as if she no longer believes in climate change.

  135. 135
    grobdj says:

    Politicians created the laws which make it illegal to trade whilst knowingly insolvent, but with exemptions for their banker mates (of course).

    Local councilors have similar constraints when setting their budgets, but MPs face no sanction for approving budgets which do not balance (of course).

    The way our MPs treat their employers, i.e. the electorate, is not dissimilar to the way a Grangemouth tanker driver has treated Jim Ratcliffe. More is never enough.

    Will any of them spot the irony that the demise of Grangemouth comes down to a workforce which refuses to give up an accumulation of perks?

  136. 136
    The Public says:

    Bet they aren’t going to do anything about it, though.

  137. 137
    Ed Dafty, LimpDim MP, Climate Change Chieftain says:

    This will assuredly happen if you don’t pay my Green Taxes.

  138. 138
    Jen The Blue says:

    If you sacked every lying, corrupt scumbag in the police, you’d have declare martial law.

  139. 139
    Every One Of The Coppers Who Lied says:

    And we’d have got away with it, too, if not for…well, this time, it wasn’t four kids and a dog…

  140. 140
    Snapper slapper sally says:

    I am just looking for something hard.

  141. 141
    Can't remember my moniker says:

    …the Falkirk area employs used to employ more people…

  142. 142
    Andrew Mitchell says:

    Perhaps the cops behave themselves when they know they are being filmed!

  143. 143
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    I think I read that in the Guardian, the bit about sharks raining down on us (but I don’t read the Guardian).

  144. 144
    Weygand says:

    And read from a prepared document.

    Go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pick up your pension.

  145. 145
    The Ideological Echo Chamber says:

    The trouble with UNITE is that they actually believe their own bullshit.

  146. 146
    Anonymous says:

    But they dont set out to get innocent people sacked FFS.

  147. 147
    ████ 'changed my tune ' Hoon says:

  148. 148
    A man rummaging in boxes in a Manchester office block says:

    Fuck me. Look what I’ve found!

  149. 149
  150. 150
    Jen The Blue says:

    As David Davis points out, these are policemen…..people with the power of arrest for catch all offences like breach of the peace. People who’s word will be taken in court. People of supposed integrity.

    At the very least they should be dismissed in disgrace and without pension rights. Certainly everyone they have helped bang up should have their cases reviewed.

  151. 151
    Anonymous says:

    1 and 2 obviously, and i thought Keith Vaz was very good.

  152. 152
    The bloke from the Texas chainsaw masacre says:


  153. 153
    Anonymous says:

    I didnt know the Police had full time union Reps ! you live and learn !

  154. 154
    Dirty Harry says:


  155. 155
    Shea Stadium says:

    Because we have a fondness for Queens.

  156. 156
    Anonymous says:

    Isnt it calle “misconduct in Public office” shouldnt they be charged ?

  157. 157
    Not found on British MSM says:

  158. 158
    D i r t y H a r r y says:


  159. 159
    Anonymous says:

    Well, your thought processes are seriously wrong then sunshine.

  160. 160
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    Good job the guy didn’t call him a pleb.

  161. 161
  162. 162
    HM Revenue tax collector behind a man rummaging in boxes in a Manchester office block says:

    How much do you think it’s worth?

  163. 163
    Anonymous says:

    The fact remains that swearing at Plod is not a hanging offence, setting an elected MP up should be.

  164. 164
    I don't need no doctor says:

    The three federation police officers are lying scumbags. All three should be sacked immediately.
    I for one will never ever trust the police again, and will never assist them in any way.
    I assume many people in the country feel the same.
    The three’s lies and that of the officers that changed the initial findings have damaged the police force beyond repair.

  165. 165
    Unfunny cunt says:

    Watching Russell Brand interview on Newsnight. He actually thinks he’s funny. Dear oh dear.

  166. 166
    Anonymous says:

    I hope you mean the 3 Plod ?

  167. 167
    The Lord High Executioner says:

    “In 1995 the Polish farmer Krystof Azninski manage to cut his own head off.”

    Oh, FFS, don’t spread that about!

    I managed to get around being executed myself by invoking the impossibility of that sort of thing— and here you are, spoiling it for me!

  168. 168
    ████ 'changed my tune ' Hoon says:


  169. 169
    Cameron says:


    Wanna buy some second-hand wind farms?

  170. 170
    No one likes a bent cop says:

    No one likes a bent cop.

  171. 171
    Codswallop says:

    Brand is a complete pratt. A gobby little fuckwit.

    Paxo should have thrown caution to the winds and twatted the little fucker.

  172. 172
    Ad Hominem says:

    Russel Brand is a fucked up piece of shit drug addict whose only claim to fame is he maybe shagged Winehouse before she died.

  173. 173
    Unfunny cunt says:

    Brand just said he believes there should be a socialist state that redistributes wealth and said profit is a dirty word. This is coming from a man who’s very rich and made millions from Hollywood movies and comedy tours. Guido should do one of his investigations and uncover Brand’s hypocrisy by exposing his wealth. He’s another Jimmy Carr who likes to be hip and edgy about taxes and money but is a two faced twat who happily takes big fat pay cheques.

  174. 174
    Anonymous says:

    I read they are on £55,000 a year.

  175. 175
    Judeg Dreadful says:

    It is going too far to say that all policemen are without integrity. Nevertheless, the days when one could assume a policeman was honest seem a distant memory.

  176. 176
    No one likes a bent cop says:

    No one likes a bent cop.

    No one.

  177. 177
    Podiceps says:

    One shouldn’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.

  178. 178
    Anonymous says:

    I thought they said their PR Jon something, tweeted about the meeting to Journalists when they were on their way to the meeting in the car.

  179. 179
    Spock says:

    It’s worse than that Jim. The unfunny little c#nt thinks he’s clever too.

  180. 180
    UNITE says:


  181. 181
    The normally silent one says:

    Oh, two bob, I should imagine.

  182. 182
    I don't need no doctor says:

    The police are controlled from those at the top of the force. How can they be trusted?

  183. 183
    Chuka ( you can call me Harrison ) Urmunneyaround says:

    My hero !

  184. 184
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Brand is a twat, he should do the world a favour.

  185. 185
    Bob says:

    Mind numbingly boring, I tuned over and farted.

  186. 186
    Casual Observer 4 says:

    Lying under oath is, otherwise no.

    The ones on duty if they falsified their pocket book records, yes. But without audio on the video cannot disprove their accounts.

    The guys who sent in the emails maybe, but absent any actual attempt at prosecution and the communication not being a statement as such maybe no. Perhaps possible for something under malicious electronic communication.

    The rest of this is just disciplinary.

  187. 187
    No one likes a bent cop says:

    Let’s remember these plod were union men, they were labour men, they were socialist men.

    And they behaved exactly as you’d expect.

    Ian Tomlinson was batoned to death by plod because he wasn’t walking fast enough, so presumably plod would do something far worse with these lying, corrupt scum.

  188. 188
    Fitted Up says:

    These guys are well and truly F&%$£*D.

    They shame us all. Disgraceful. When someone like Keith Vaz can hold the moral high ground then we really have reached the nadir.

    True, the police have been kicked where it hurts in terms of their pensions and conditions, along with many public sector workers but… For one lot to allegedly ‘fit up’ a Cabinet Minister by embellishing his comments to them and then… unbelieveably, ANOTHER lot have the bright idea to… Yes! ‘fit up’ a Cabinet Minister by embellishing his comments to them is, utterly shocking.

    These guys should have publicly apologised and then resigned because their days must be numbered.

    When three Chief Constables have to sit together in a kangaroo court like the Public Affairs Committee and defend their decsions one knows that the first thing they will be arranging on their return to force is to ream the respective officers ‘a new one’.

    I find the three Fed Reps an utter embarassment.

  189. 189
    Anonymous says:

    Plodgate and Hillsborough.Will they run longer than Mousetrap in damage terms for police.

  190. 190
    Anonymous says:

    So does this mean that the whole thing, Not opening the gate, emails , these lies about the meeting etc ,were a premeditated conspiracy to bring down a senior Tory politician ? how did they think they would get away with it ?

  191. 191
  192. 192
    Mrs Bent Cop says:

    I do.

  193. 193
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    Utility companies = cartel, no you won’t save £250 pounds by switching to another supplier, they are all lining up for the pre-winter price hike.

  194. 194
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Miliband’s conman show is to freeze the cost of energy prices.
    Could Miliband tell us what the true or fair price of electricity or gas should be. Anyone can say it is too expensive, that’s easy, but why if Miliband knows so much about energy costs doesn’t he tell us what the cost should be.

  195. 195
    One term Dave says:

    I give you my cast iron guarantee that I am seriously thinking about doing something sooner or later, perhaps.

  196. 196
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    No they’ve only lied to betray a whole nation and sell our sovereignty to foreign powers.

  197. 197
    Great British Public says:


  198. 198
    Disgraceful says:

    Hateful bastards.

  199. 199
    Someone says:

    By the time they get to the Chief Constable level they are probably beyond redemption.

  200. 200
    Johnny Fart Pants says:

    GAS, GAS, GAS!

  201. 201
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Mr Neil, you seem to know much. Tell us what the true or fair cost of gas and electric should be. Surely you like Miliband know the answer.

  202. 202
    Wankers says:

    Was that the night Ed has the jacket off and the sleeves rolled up, determined to get the deal done.

  203. 203
    Anonymous says:

    He swore, but did he swear at the officers?

  204. 204
    Six million dollar man says:

  205. 205
    The British media are cunts says:

    You can freeze your energy prices right now. You don’t have to wait for a rubber faced mong to get elected.

  206. 206
    Duty Pedant says:

    Very few people use the word refute correctly nowadays.

    It necessarily involves the concept of proof.

  207. 207
    A Casino Banker says:

    The man is clearly deluded!

  208. 208
    The Loony Left says:



  209. 209
    Tony B£iar says:


    Get rid of the monarchy!

    I could be president!

  210. 210
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Because they are deluded stupid people. Power corrupts.

  211. 211
    Casual Observer 4 says:

    The police maybe not.

    Certain members of the cabinet office staff, perhaps yes.


  212. 212
    The British media are cunts says:

    You have to laugh at the jock mongs cutting their own throats up in mongland.

    80K a year and the fuckwits refused a pay freeze and a “get fucking real” pension plan.

    I just wonder how well they’ll enjoy life on bennies.


  213. 213
    Pete says:

    “They can burn peat”

    easy for you to say but half of them can’t spell!

  214. 214
    PC Pathetic says:

    You heard the man, black ones aren’t allowed.

  215. 215
    The British media are cunts says:

    Taxes are for the poor, not rich socialists like him. I wonder how many tax scams he has going?

  216. 216
    observationist says:

    In the presence of, yes. At, no.

  217. 217
    The Rt Hon David Cameron says:

    I refute that remark as I clearly understood the concept of poof!

  218. 218
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    Cameron and Davey keep telling us to switch our supplier to get a better deal.

    Well in 18 months time the voters will do exactly that.

    Vote early,vote often,vote UKIP :-)

  219. 219
    Joe says:

    He’s a socialist what else were you expecting?

  220. 220
    'Gypsy' Dave Cooper says:

  221. 221
    A member of ACPO says:

    Taxes are for plebs!

  222. 222
    No one likes a bent cop says:

    “Mr Mitchell swore at the officers”

    No he fucking didn’t. He swore in their fucking presence but not fucking at them.

    Just like the above is swearing, but not swearing at you.

  223. 223
    Owen says:

    Speak for yourself

  224. 224
    Owen Jones says:

    I only like bent cops with large truncheons. I know, I’m such a size queen!

  225. 225
    No one likes a bent cop says:

    Yes, plod are really hard when it comes to beating the shit out of middle class white women in a prison cell, but when it comes to handling ethnic rioters they are no where to be seen.

  226. 226
    The British media are cunts says:

    Of course he was going to record the meeting, he’d seen how the fucking scum plod work.

  227. 227
    Jesus look'a'like says:


  228. 228
    Lord Brian Pad-dick of Brixton Black Cock says:

    So do I!

  229. 229
    Vin says:

    Vote UKIP next time or forever hold your peace.

  230. 230
    UKIP or bust says:

    If the refinery closes do the unite bosses lose their jobs as well?

  231. 231
    Someone says:

    If Mr Brand could slow down a little and stop waving his hands about he might be a better communicator.

  232. 232
    Ben E Fits says:

    They’ll probably get more on bennies.

  233. 233
    No one likes a bent cop says:

    When the police get to decide who can stay in government, it’s what we call a Police State.

  234. 234
    Amy Winehouse says:

    Never again!

  235. 235
    Rae Winstern says:

    You luv it here you slag.

  236. 236
  237. 237
    Ed Milibiscuit says:

    I demand an independent judicial inquiry.

  238. 238
    PDubya says:

    The workforce voted against the management’s offer.
    The Turkeys just voted to bring forward Christmas.

  239. 239
    Prof Magnus Pyke says:

    Fuck off, it never did me any harm!

  240. 240
    UNITE says:

    When, not if.

  241. 241
    Incapable Vince, deputy Chief Cockroach says:

    Hasn’t he just bought a mansion in Los Angeles ??


    Can I tax that ?

  242. 242
    Someone says:

    With all due respect professor, I remember you, but I can’t remember anything you ever said.

  243. 243
    Alex in Wonderland says:

    The Dunfermline by-election this Thursday will allow the people of Scotland to reaffirm their total, undying admiration for myself as their leader, visionary, spokesman, flag waver and hammer of the English by returning the SNP candidate with 110% of the vote.

  244. 244
    kitler says:

    And when a cross party committee summons those police to explain their shameful conduct and the whole proceedings are fully open to public viewing and scrutiny, that’s called democracy. So far it seems to be working since its us watching them sweat and not the other way round.

  245. 245
    Gaye Mann (Mrs) says:

    It’s more a homage than a spoof.

  246. 246
    Hans Christan Andersen says:

    He never quite got them rolled up. Obama and Wen Jiabao kicked him out of the room. when it came time to make any deals.

  247. 247
    kitler says:

    Nonsense. Did you see the aftermath of the riots? Hundreds of efnick doors smashed down and the contents fast tracked straight to jail for long stretches. And in London having big lips and a shooter comes with an automatic death sentence. Just because a few middle class types can’t shut their mouths when a truncheon is drawn doesn’t mean plod hasn’t got his priorities right when it matters.

  248. 248
    Eric Joyce says:

    Vote for me

  249. 249
    Alice says:

    Well done. Funniest thing I’ve read tonight!

  250. 250
    Hector Rectum and His Rectal Research Laboratory says:

    Can I watch?

  251. 251
    Eric Joystick (Lab) says:

    Or I’ll punch your lights out.

  252. 252
    Round the Bend says:

    It shows the quality of our Police at the moment; when they are incapable of organising a decent ‘fit up’.

  253. 253
    ey up! says:

    Here’s hoping the snake oil salesman wins the referendum vote next year, shame us plebs haven’t been allowed to vote being English we don’t have any representation in Parliament, just the taxation.

  254. 254
    Arthur Scargill says:

    Not if they’ve been elected for life, eh?

  255. 255
    Number 7 says:


  256. 256

    I know what it is like to be caught lying, and I did not like it.

  257. 257
  258. 258
    Living in 98.11% white Merseyside says:

    I went up to my study to have a smoke whilst he was on.

  259. 259
    Alice says:

    That’s the traditional Afro-Caribbean target group, because of their high crime rate and possession of guns.
    The Takbir chanters, however, get a free pass until they are caught red-handed with explosives.

  260. 260
    Alice says:

    PLA looks favourite now.

  261. 261
    http://order-order.com/2013/09/17/labour-accuse-downing-street-of-cracking-up/#comment-1862100 says:


  262. 262
    Alice says:

    This is where almost 20 years of all-pervasive lefty media propaganda has brought us.
    We now demand rights and deny responsibilities. Actions needn’t have consequences. The deny, deny, approach works in the confusion fostered by a media scrum that sees facts as a small part of the story. We see people in positions of trust lying to the public, doing and saying the most grievous things and thinking that an apology, sincere or not, makes everything okay, with an assumed right simply to “move on”. (“Moving on” – undermining morality!) So many of our young people appear to adopt this behaviour without a second thought.
    When these attitudes, as demonstrated so egregiously by MPs, pervade the Police Services, our country is well nigh f*cked!

  263. 263
    http://order-order.com/2013/09/17/labour-accuse-downing-street-of-cracking-up/#comment-1862100 says:


  264. 264
    NE Frontiersman says:

    ‘That is below the belt in any walk of life..';
    I wish we lived in a world where I could agree. It seems to indicate that he knew too well the calibre of the people he was dealing with.

    I wonder how soon Mr Miliband will apologise?

  265. 265
    http://order-order.com/2013/09/17/labour-accuse-downing-street-of-cracking-up/#comment-1862100 says:

    Causal rather than Casual – very good but probably wasted on most

  266. 266
    NE Frontiersman says:

    Don’t the Police Fed charge membership dues to cover this kind of thing?

  267. 267
    Postal Votes are Labour Loo Paper says:

    Christ. If Vaz is the answer what the fuck is the question?

  268. 268
  269. 269
    subsection 7a says:

    spot on moniker

  270. 270
    subsection 7a says:

    do several axe .. you droning as usual.

  271. 271
    Jimmy says:

    I find it provides an invaluable insight into what people who don’t think are thinking.

  272. 272
    HEARDITALL says:

    If he could hold it inEngland he would piss it!!

  273. 273
    best to be thought a fool than open your mouth and prove it... says:

    don’t be a twat … had he not recorded it the three plods in question would be sticking to their supposed version of events at the meeting to this day … fed’s objective achieved.

  274. 274
    NE Frontiersman says:

    Better than after, surely? Give the man some credit.

  275. 275
    NE Frontiersman says:

    @133: Can I be of assistance? from St Ella’s ‘Working for Walthamstow’ blog

    ‘On The Road to Copenhagen: Ed Miliband Comes to Walthamstow Thursday 26 November 2009

    If you’re a regular reader, you’ll know how concerned I am that the UK Government negotiates a deal at the Copenhagen climate change summit
    in December. The reality of the damage climate change is doing to our
    world is already becoming apparent. If we don’t act now to cut our
    carbon emissions, countries such as Bangladesh will disappear. A third
    of animal and plant species will become extinct. Life here in Britain
    will change forever too. Whether we’re facing extreme weather, food
    shortages or flooding, no area of our lives will be immune from the
    impact of climate change if it is left unchecked.

  276. 276
    best to be thought a fool than open your mouth and prove it... says:

    the creeps a joke as a comedian and even less entertaining when he fires up the pseudo mumbo jumbo politico drivel

  277. 277
    Sir Sidney Bunberry-Dewdrop says:

    how the f’uck did one of the slimiest scumbags in parliament end up chairing this committee ?

  278. 278
    Alice says:

    So Mitchell is guilty for all the sins of all MPs, but those policemen are merely guilty of being poor liars?
    No! Mitchell, no saint, used a swear word *in the presence* of police. The video of the gate incident shows no confrontational demeanour from Mitchell. We can only wonder about any confrontational approach from the police.
    We know enough to be convinced that the police have been at it at every stage – lying, leaking and conspiring at the gate, in the aftermath, after the Police Federation meeting and in the subsequent senior officers’ investigation and report.
    You may be right about Dave, though he may have been misled by the Cabinet Office. Did Dave see the C4 video before Mitchell was hung out to dry? The Cabinet Office appears to have obstructed viewing of it. Heads on the block there too?

  279. 279
    Alice says:

    There speaks an Irish Whiskey fan? – who is familiar with peat burning – and a racist?

  280. 280
    Broderick Crawford says:


  281. 281
    Helicopter view says:

    Actually it was Cameron who decided to sack Mitchell – he could have stuck by him.

  282. 282
    Reality Bites says:

    The truth hurts huh?

  283. 283

    Brand puts talking a long way in front of thinking. The parts of his onslaught where one could have some sympathy actually could also be obtained from a random utterance machine.

  284. 284
    Lady VIrginia Droit de Seigneur says:

    And cash – cold, hard cash.

  285. 285
    Lady VIrginia Droit de Seigneur says:

    Sack them and get rid of their pensions.

  286. 286
    Chasing the Deer says:

    I echo your hopes that Scotland votes for Independence….BUT if as I suspect the Scots vote for the Bawbees to be kept rolling into their purses from over the border to fund their generous lifestyle, benefit culture and the like and to stay in the UK the first thing that should be done by Westminster especially if the Scots then are offered Devo-Max as a consolation prize(which I further suspect THAT they will) is for the Barnet Formula to be revised(far too generous to Scotland)and for the West Lothian Question to be settled..i.e. no MP representing a Scottish constituency to be allowed to vote on exclusively English matters/legislation that does not affect their own constituents and even more so if the area of legislation is one that is devolved to Edinburgh.

  287. 287
    Night Rider says:

    Stealing someone’s moniker is lying so we all know how you feel.

  288. 288
    M says:

    Just a small point, if the public sector don’t pay for their pensions ,
    Who gets the bill ?
    And can those who get the bill , are they able to go on strike and protest ?

  289. 289
    JH394080239349234 says:

    Ironically he may have been the ideal man for this job.

    You can’t get slimy bullshit past a slimy bullshitter.

  290. 290
    Ed Milliband's Judgement says:

    I trutht the Polith. Not that dethpicable Tory.

  291. 291
    a non says:

    To be fair it was the Cabinet secretary- Jeremy Heywood that muddied the water by giving the PM irresponsible advice in a failed attempt to cover any rebounding fallout reaching the top.
    One of the main failings of a Nanny State for both populace and government when ‘protectors and spin doctors’ attempt to wrap everybody in cotton wool, and cloud a person’s individual judgement in reaching the correct decision.

  292. 292
    albacore says:

    How sad to see cops’ reputations plummet
    But, ne’er mind, today it’s the E U summit
    So now we’ll see some championship lying
    With sideshows about nasty yankee spying


  293. 293
    rejoyce says:

    Time to put money into Diageo shares.
    Whisky drinking will probably go through the roof.

  294. 294
    BBC says:


    We don’t like to admit that the actions of our so called elites have turned the Middle East into an unstable hellhole for generations to come.

    We need the ordinaries open to the possibility of more ‘oh by the way’ wars down the line. It’s not like it will be our kids fighting so we don’t give a shit.

    Remember to be super-sad if any of our correspondents get slotted though.

  295. 295
    Calamity Clegg, Chief Cockroach says:


  296. 296
    Dave this is not the first time i've had a sore arse , but this time it's cause Milliband kicked it says:

    Hi this morning i would like to set out my new green policies , if Nick Clegg will let me

  297. 297
    HEARDITALL says:

    The only way to solve the West Lothian question is by having an English Parliament,not regional assemblies , a proper parliament.
    The only thing stopping this now is fear , fear that any parliament elected in England would be packed with UKIP members, and strong enough to defy any European Diktat not in our interest.
    Imagine an England telling Westminster what to do with their smoking ban their Health and Safety Regulations, and their mass immigration and all the rest of it.
    An English Parliament would, in current terminology be a game changer!

  298. 298
    JH293092349234 says:

    What. The. Fuck. Is. This. C_nt. Doing. On. Newsnight.

  299. 299
    Ed Davey, Armchair Climate Warrior says:

    Fight the good fight comrades! All is not lost!

  300. 300
    PM says:

    Too true. The Met is far more corrupt.

  301. 301
    Anonymous says:

    No, they should apologise and be sacked. They are liars and, by yesterdays performance, complete idiots. We have no need of such scum in the Police.

  302. 302
    Anonymous says:

    He had every right to record that meeting. It was held in his office. Had he not done so you would have believed the lies told to you by these three morons.

  303. 303
    Fishy says:

    Vote UKIP next time and forever hold Labour and Europe as your master

  304. 304
    Be honest, it's "James" to your friends isn't it? says:

    Ooh, get her!

  305. 305
    FFS says:

    Exactly. He is a direcdtly elected member of Parliament that they tried to force out of office by concocting a lie, a lie which they are attempting to maintain even to this day.

    Our democracy is already a farce, but can you imagine how much worse it would be if every vested interest simply had people ejected from power on a whim and a lie?

    These police officers are attempting to do what the original Guy Fawkes attempted to do and should receive much the same treatment.

  306. 306
    FFS says:

    Bullshit. There were three officers involved at it would seem they each failed to support the others account, hence the mess they are in now.

    Their contradictory statements should be presented to a jury and a jury should decide their guilt.

  307. 307
    FFS says:

    Public employees having a meeting about a matter of public interest. Seems to me he was well within his rights to record it in case the content of the meeting was misrepresented. Good practice if you ask me.

  308. 308
    FFS says:

    And if England had scored more goals in the World Cup we would have lifted the trophy.

    Meanwhile, back in the land of reality the rest of us inhabit…..

  309. 309
    FFS says:

    I think Mr Vaz has a lot of experience of dealing with the police.

  310. 310
    Perse O'Nalley says:

    Try looking at Vaz’s wikipedia entry for examples of his integrity. Suspended from the House for lying.

  311. 311
    FFS says:

    Says somebody that votes Labour. Ha!

  312. 312
    FFS says:

    Nah, its just those 60s student Marxists that were got at by the Stasi and the KGB are currently at the top of the tree, career wise. They’ve got nobody credible to replace them, so once they’re gone Marxism in Europe is gone, and the Ruskis have given up on Communism. Meanwhile the fuck up the Marxists have made right across Europe now seems to be spawning an extreme nationalist back-lash so I suppose that will dominate the next 30 years at least.

  313. 313
    West Midland Serious Crime Squad says:

    We do it all the time. We never change

  314. 314
    What do you take me for? says:

    No change there then. I’ll vote UKIP.

  315. 315
    FFS says:

    Not to mention the hundreds of young girls in care that have been systematically abused by members of a certain religion that preach it is perfectly OK to do so. Despite numerous complaints they let these appalling crimes continue right under their noses in furtherance of their worthless careers.

  316. 316
    G4S says:

    We’re not as bad as you thought, are we?

  317. 317
    Mitchell is a Saint says:

    Mr Mitchell apologised for swearing, and although he knew the police officers were lying about other things he claimed they had said, and although they were backed up by senior police officers who were also lying, he refused to make an official complaint. Even when he was demoted by his own boss, he refused to make an official complaint.

  318. 318
    FFS says:

    Isn’t it strange that Salmond’s first action on hearing the news at Grangemouth is not to go and say to Unite “What the feck are you moron’s doing???” But instead to find another gullible buyer who will take on the unionised lunatics at Grangemouth when they have already demonstrated just how demented they are by effectively voting in favour of closing the site.

    Unite are pillocks,their membership are pillocks and Salmond is effectively jumping up and down demanding he be considered a pillock too. You couldn’t make it up.

  319. 319
    FFS says:

    So what you are claiming is that it is all the Queens fault?

    Now wonder you prefer to remain anonymous you complete numpty.

  320. 320
    FFS says:

    “countries such as Bangladesh will disappear”

    and this is a problem why???

  321. 321
    FFS says:

    Because he was a Tory MP and Labour were only too happy to side with the police, but the inquiry was chaired by a Labour MP?

    So basically more like a suspected burglar being tried by one of the burglar’s best friends but even the burglar’s best friend finds it impossible to let him off, given the deluge of evidence against him.

  322. 322
    FFS says:

    Fortunately they were union pilgrims, so they probably haven’t fitted up anybody except Tory MPs.

  323. 323
    Russell Brand says:

    Wrong. I did you again last week. There’s no stopping me.

  324. 324
    FFS says:

    BBC conclude that a drugged up sex-addict that has spent most of his “adult” life on drug re-habilitiation courses knows what is best for Britain.

    Frankly if the teenager in a man’s body known as Russell Brand is the best the Marxists at the Beeb can come up with it’s all over for them.

  325. 325
    FFS says:

    Why do you think the pension fund is so important to them? 2/3rd of the employees are within 5 years of retirement anyway. They want the factory to close.

  326. 326
    FFS says:

    They so desperately wanted to kick Mitchell while he was down and yet the police were just too inept in their own lies to play ball.

  327. 327
    FFS says:

    Hey Mr Carr! Good job! Thing is you are now getting more comments than Guido. Could be career limiting.

  328. 328
    Hell for Leather says:

    in response to kitler:

    I’ve watched people sweat in a circus.

    This was just another sideshow in the Big Tent that the UK calls Parliament.

    Sometimes entertaining, but generally useless — these cops will walk away unscathed, and non-elected twits in the EU will continue to call the shots on UK affairs. So much for this version of democracy.

  329. 329
    No one likes a bent cop says:

    Nonsense yourself.

    How they act *after* the riot is a different thing entirely; then they went after one target at a time with many of them against one. Soft as shite.

    “in London having big lips and a shooter comes with an automatic death sentence”

    There is no reason, and it is illegal, for anyone in London who is not in the army or the police to have a “shooter”. If they have one, like drug-dealer Duggan, they deserve what they get.

    That does not mean the police can beat the shit out of anyone they don’t like the sound of.

  330. 330
    Vin says:

    You speak like a slave.

    Vote UKIP.

  331. 331
    Vin says:

    Only because Mitchell recorded the meeting last time he met them.

    They nearly got away with.

  332. 332
    Rae Winstern says:

    “what people who don’t think are thinking”

    I bet you thought that sounded good inside your head.

  333. 333
    left wing, right wing, tis all the same bird! (a turkey) says:

    Exactly :)
    The other 3 have PROVED they are the enemies of you and I.

    UKIP have proved nothing (good or bad)

    So a change is as good as a rest in my book.

  334. 334
    Shall we ask them? says:

    I wonder what ordinary coppers feel about the actions of their ‘representatives’?

    Time to disband the corrupt ACPO too while we are at it.

  335. 335
    Hell for Leather says:

    Assume taxpayers forked out, via the Federation, for the PR ?

  336. 336
    Burgers are extremely bad for you - as are corrupt bent 'police' persons. says:

    Why do PolFed ‘officers’ retain their official police rank/designation? If they are not doing proper police work – eg patrolling etc – then they are effectively civilians and should carry no police designation.

  337. 337
    Remittance Man says:

    I’m surprised the fact these guys are pilgrims hasn’t been latched onto by the press. Unless they are too scared their own role in promoting Mitchell’s demise will fall under the spotlight.

  338. 338
    Burgers are extremely bad for you - as are corrupt bent 'police' persons. says:

    … and that deranged newspaper seller who was caught on live CCTV running at the beleaguered police lines with a flaming pitchfork. Being pushed to death by a demented police ‘officer’ was just too good for his sort.

  339. 339
    Burgers are extremely bad for you - as are corrupt bent 'police' persons. says:

    But they didn’t and now they should all be charged and taken off the streets for at least 5 years. I am sure the PolFed will soon be able to rustle up a few more dim Pilgrims to replace them.

  340. 340
    Burgers are extremely bad for you - as are corrupt bent 'police' persons. says:

    You and ME (not I). Labour ejecashun, doncha just luvit?

  341. 341
    Burgers are extremely bad for you - as are corrupt bent 'police' persons. says:

    But but but! That desert camel herder said that was OK.

  342. 342
    (I've been renamed) DA-Notice says:

    What is it about plod in the Midlands that makes them more scheming bastards than the plod in the rest of the country?

  343. 343

    We…er…didn‘t ……er tell the truth……………intentionally! Innit?

  344. 344
    Burgers are extremely bad for you - as are corrupt bent 'police' persons. says:

    No need to polish it – just sharpen the ends of the tines to a nice sharp point.

  345. 345
    ACPO Inc (Ltd) says:

    Are you talking about us? We of the utterly unimpeachable integrity?

    Better watch yourself sonny, there’s a lot of slippery steps round this way.

  346. 346
    ACPO Inc (Ltd) says:

    Probably, but we soon sorted out the Stockwell murder and that paper bloke so we remain optimistic that in, say, three months or so, it will all be forgotten and overtaken by the latest distraction story on the Beeb.

  347. 347
    Oliver Cromwell's Mum says:

    Honestly and integrity demanded by all people slimy Vaz, he is well qualified however
    to be flogging dodgy designer gear from a stall in Islamabad, should fit in with his fake accent.

  348. 348
    ReefKnot says:

    I listened to these three Police Federation people. Not a hint of humility. Not a hint of contrition. Not a hint of honesty.

    If this is what our Police are like we should disband them and start all over again.

    Let the public put some of their own in place to keep the peace. Let them be called ‘Constables’ or ‘Peelers’.

  349. 349
    Babs Windsor says:

    I shaved my fanny. Does that make me a Hunt-stubble too?

  350. 350
    Anonymous says:

    Andrew Mitchel repeated what he said at the time, the Plod thanked him for clearing it up.They then went outside and spoke to reporters (alerted to the situation by FED, PR man)and said Mitchel had refused to tell them what happened.Luckily Andrew Mitchel recorded the conversation, which would appeat to be a tip we should all remember after this farce.

  351. 351
    ghost of Robert Peel says:

    If these senior p;lice officers hold their oaths in suhc contempt in the matter of attacking the rich and the powerful, what are they doing to the poor and the weak?

    Well we certainly are thoroughly harmonized wiht Europe i this respect. These guys would fit in perfectly in the police forces of Belgium, Italy or Romania.

  352. 352
    Mike says:

    Look at Hinton…not exactly brain of the year…another lying copper who deserves to lose his job – allegedly!!!

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