October 22nd, 2013

Tory/Labour Health Tensions Boil Over in PCH

News of fireworks after Health Questions reaches its way back to Guido. Witnesses suggest that neighbouring MPs David Morris (Tory) and John Woodcock (Labour) nearly squared up after Morris walked off of the top of the escalators in Portcullis House. After saying “hello” to Woodcock, it is claimed that Morris was met with the following barrage after he had asked awkward questions to the Health Secretary:

JW: “What you are doing, talking about Morecombe Bay Trust is f**king disgraceful and says more about you as a person… don’t you f**king look at me like that or I will….”

DM: “or you’ll do what? What will you do John..? I think you are a nice guy, and a good man, but it’s my job to look after my constituents.”

JW: “Leave Andy Burnham alone, the electorate will not forgive you for this!”

Morris stands by this version of events, but Woodcock ain’t happy:

“I am very angry at the way David Morris has used infant deaths at Furness General Hospital to call for Andy Burnham’s resignation despite, to my knowledge, showing no other interest in the wellbeing of grieving Barrow families who are continuing to go through a dreadful time. Regrettably, I did use the f- word in telling him I thought he had behaved disgracefully. The other words being attributed to me are untrue and actionable.”

Calm down dears.


  1. 1
    ancientpopeye says:

    Well he would say that wouldn’t he?

  2. 2
    Border Terrier says:

    Sorry to see David Morris threaten 12 year JW.

  3. 3
    Andy Burnham says:

    It wasn’t my fault…I’ll sue.

  4. 4
    Let them eat Scouse says:

    Anyone who stands up for Burnham is a sicko Liverpool pathway murdering twat.

  5. 5
    Andy Bumhum says:

    Where is Eric Joystick when you need him ?

  6. 6
    Vote for cVnts you get cVnts! says:

    You do!

  7. 7
    Andrew Efiong says:

    Labour are desperately trying to close ranks to protect those behind the NHS deaths in Morecombe Bay.

    They’re so rattled they’re even resorting to threats of violence.

  8. 8
    Dryberg's Beard says:

    Morecambe. With an a.

  9. 9
    broderick crawford says:

    yes … calm down dears …. it s only the national death service .

  10. 10
    What a plonker. says:

    How can you sue the truth ,you tosser.

  11. 11
    Fed Rep says:

    He admits to using the F-word, but he refuses to confirm what else he said?

    We demand an immediate resignation, his position is clearly untenable!

  12. 12
    I don't need no doctor says:

    The public know that Burnham should resign. Labour will pay the price for not sacking Burnham.

  13. 13
    tonto says:

    Toss up between Burnham and Cooper as future heir apparent for the Socialist leadership.
    Suggestions about ‘tearing the mask off the Labour Loan Arranger’ have now been superceded by the question of who wears their eye shadow the best.
    No wonder Woodcock was p*ssed off by Morris doing his hero down.

  14. 14
    Sir William Waid says:

    They’re all so clever, why don’t they put their heads together and agree what needs to be done?

    Medicine is essentially a technical, scientific matter, rather than a value-driven debating subject.

  15. 15
    Driberg's Beard says:

    Driberg. With an i.

  16. 16
    OJ Simpson says:

    Oh..its pretty easy.

  17. 17
    Sir William Wayd says:

    Why don’t they co-operate and agree what needs to be done?

  18. 18
    Caroline Flint says:

    Freeze the price of everything. We will pay for it with the elastic mansion tax.

  19. 19
    Sir William Wayd says:

    Is that Wise?

  20. 20
    Keep Calm, Vote UKIP says:

    Average cost, on top of the membership fee, for the EU to UK families is calculated to be about GBP 1000 a time.

    That is quite a lot of money wasted.


    Cameron is going to get tough with EU when he goes over this week.

    One hopes he has packed plenty of KY and a padded cushion for the return flight.

    Vote UKIP.

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    Bill Quango MP - 9 says:

    The Burnham is supposed to be slightly ahead of the Cooper within the party.
    Although as this is labour, it only really matters who McCluskey gives his 51% block vote to.

  22. 22
    dai laughing says:

    is that mortuary bay?

  23. 23
    OJ Sandwich says:

    Windfall tax to be levied on wind farms.
    Labour – Home for the criminally insane.

  24. 24
    shit & feather countrywise says:

    nearly half of that is the great phoney farming fraud – to which add red diesel and no business property taxes (uk domestic subsidies)


  25. 25
    Bent Coppers R US says:

    Do you want some top quality witnesses with notebooks at the ready? Which of you will pay the most?

  26. 26
    The Cleansing has started. says:

    Looks like Europe has undertaken a program of ethnic cleansing. Removing by force all blue eyed and blonde haired children from the nomadic gypsy tribes.

  27. 27
    The BBC and the Guardian are disgusted says:

    The BBC has been continually pushing the line since early this morning that it is questionable and possibly racist to charge people/reclaim costs who are not entitled to be treated free on NHS…………supporting its view are the usual line up of lefties

  28. 28
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    Give A man a gun and he can rob a bank ,but give a man a bank and he can rob the world.

  29. 29
    shit & feather countrywise says:

    while we are at it – the EU devolved much of the subsidising to member governments – none of the 4 relevant parties here have advocated giving the subs back to those defrauded (the tax-payers)

    it indicates that the entire euro-debate is false – none of them have any intention of doing anything beyond fighting over the gravy train

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    kemo sabe says:

    Too true Bill.
    Democracy at it’s finest.

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    Casual Observer 4 says:

    Good report:

    A conclusion which was arrived at is that government intervention in Western housing markets, particularly that which is designed to stimulate ownership, has helped increase unemployment rates.

    This should be another reason for Osborne’s daft ‘help to buy’ ponzi scheme to be shelved, and perhaps have stamp duty revoked instead.

  32. 32

    If the Doe-eyed Dildo had any sense of the injustices done to the British public while he was responsible for the NHS, he would have resigned long ago. Woodcock’s response is all too typical of the Lefty under pressure. In their case, violence is often the first resort of the incompetent. It’ll need more than a flash of the under-age De Piero’s tits to get Labour off the hook on this one.
    BTW Guido, last time I looked, the unspeakable cockroach was the SHADOW Health Secretary. Have you left the unpaid intern in charge of the office again?

  33. 33
    The BBC supports "responsible capitalism" says:

    Would that THAT were true …BUT I suspect that Labour will be returned to government with a majority of around 60 in 2015 particularly as the BBC amongsts others is actively pushing the anti-Tory view continually on most matters from benefits to education to health and health tourism to immigration

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    Adolph says:

    Far better just to Quantitatively Ease £15bn per month in perpetuity, cancelling out the Deficit. The Weimar Republic worked a treat, did it not?

  36. 36

    That’s what happened when Tone gave Gordon the keys to the BoE.

  37. 37
    Labour remarkably relaxed about their record on everything says:

    Nothing was/is Labour’s responsibility;they were only the government.

  38. 38
    Ed Miliband (Leader of the Party opposite) says:

    This question which I will ask at tomorrow’s PMQ’s should flummox David Cameron.

    “What’s the largest amount of Cadbury’s Chocolate Fingers you have ever managed to fit in your mouth at once?”

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    Can you imagine this going through the courts ? No me neither. Twat ! says:

    ‘actionable’ ! FFS get over yourself you twat. If you think our courts should be concerning themselves with this shite then you are an even bigger arsehole .

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    an extra straw for the camel's back says:

    And after many decades delay, Turkey now being allowed to restate it’s desire to negotiate to become a European Union participant.

    Tomorrow – the world! [You lucky people}

  41. 41
    Ed Balls says:

    I can top that one,Ed.

    “Have you ever been sexually aroused and/or propositioned by a hedgehog in a blonde wig?”

  42. 42

    This is a fact Prime Minister

  43. 43
    Historys great misconceptions #367 says:

    Actually the Weimar republic did get back on its feet and became economically viable again. It was the subsequent Wall Street crash which done it in.

  44. 44
    Gordon the medicated says:

    I fully endorse this current fad for campaigning against anything with the words “looney” “fruitloop” “psycho” “mental head” “batshit” “madman” and “insane asylum mental patient.”

    Mental illness is a real issue for many of the fribbles living on planet Zamba, wibble. With your help zoo-zoo-zoooooom I want to reduce the stigma attached to lunatic lobotomy problems.
    Its bad enough that some poor unfortunates are chained to a wall with nothing to do but sniff their bumfinger all day, without the added misery of seeing their neenaw neeenaw illness portrayed in an inconsiderate and offensive manner.

    Please support the campaign to help show mental health issues in a positive light..as I and Alistair Campbell that fuckfuckerer..I’ll kick his goony hexbreath down the sningeboffer..the fuckedy..I’ll split his nose with this table leg..jam it up his hempflaps the fuckedyfuckeroo heeloooooMrSandmanbringmeadream and make it a poison one.. fully endorse.

    .I saved the universe Superman.

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    Dave and Willybum says:

    Come to the U.K. in 2014, all you lovely Roma people. We will ensure you get full bennies immediately, and pay lots of carers and lawyers to ensure that your Human Rights to steal kids for beggaring or buggering are fully protected.

  46. 46
    Dennis Skinner says:

    He’s mine for tomorrow

    “Have you ever been tempted to draw a cock on Nick Clegg’s forehead with a permanent marker?”

    I know I have !

  47. 47
    Gordon Brown says:

    I took full responsibility and sacked the patsy responsible.

  48. 48
    Gordon the medicated says:

    it will be a John Major supports my big idea question.

    I like JM. A much misunderstood politician who tried his best, despite clearly not being up to the job.

  49. 49
    Great British Bay Cough says:

    Try threatening someone with violence at work and you’d be suspended and maybe even fired. But MPs think nothing of it.

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    The man who wears his underpants outside his trousers says:

    John Major was a crap PM, he is an adulterer with very poor taste, And is not fit to lick Larry the cat’s fur balls.

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    ‘Bitch.’ ‘Cow’ ‘F,,,ing Bitch.’ ‘Shithead Cow’. etc.etc. Handbags at 30 paces, innit?

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    Keep Calm, Vote UKIP says:

    That is a fair analysis.

    It becomes even more stark when the details of TTIP, the new trade agreement between EU and US, is looked at.

    An aspect of TTIP (other than undermining WTO) is that it seeks to exempt the senior trade partner (US) from EU regulatory cost burden.

    On this basis it is clearly better from a trade position to be outside the EU rather than in it if you are wishing to trade with the EU member states.

    Incidentally, the French tried and failed to make a big thing of S’nowden to get better terms under TTIP but failed. This deal is a massive compromise from EU perspective (railroaded over its austerity barrel), and negotiations were broadly conducted without UK contribution. However, the agreement directly affects UK interests.

  53. 53
    Mr & Mrs Bone says:

    The function f is defined on the real numbers by f(x) = 2 + x – x2
    What is the value of f(-3)? Show your workings.

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    shameful says:

    I don’t understand how Burnham can live with himself knowing
    so many died in NHS hospitals while he was in charge.

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    Casual Observer 4 says:

    On topic: Andy Burnham needs to be indicted for crimes against humanity at the ICC, along with others, for his part in what happened on the NHS.

    The guy is worst than filth and should not be in public office, or any position of trust period.

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    just saying says:

    Labour never accept responsibility for
    their failings- even when innocent people
    have died.

  57. 57
    Norma says:

    I had to use Vanish to get the urine stains off his shirts.

  58. 58
    Ed Balls says:


    f(x) = 2 + x – x2


    f(-3) = 2 + (-3) – (-3 * -3) = 14

  59. 59
    Schleicher says:

    The Weimar’s owed a lot of money to the Yanks. When those loans dried up, plus the global economic collapse..it all went rather badly.

    Surprising the modern Germans haven’t just bailed the Greeks out, Marshall style.
    They know that making a bankrupt pay leads to a poor painter stirring up the masses against a perceived enemy.

  60. 60
    Andy Burnham says:

    I console myself with the knowledge that many of them probably voted Tory.

    But now they are dead, they all vote labour under the postal votes from crematoriums system.

  61. 61
    Where are Tony Blair's expenses says:

    Burnham and Nicholson still in place; these two must have a cupboard full of skeletons on the rest of the political class otherwise they would have gone by now

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    Anonymous says:

    I could lose that in one day due to the EU/Cameron stupidity over building regulations.

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    Dr Andy Burnham -der weiße Engel says:

    I have a solution for mental illness sufferers.
    A final solution.

  64. 64
    Toggla says:

    It’s the NHS we’re talking about. Criticism is forbidden. All people always do good in the NHS.

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    Anonymous says:

    Quick google reveals DM as a former hairdresser and former band mate of Rick Astley. And reveals that JW nearly killed himself recently trying to use a ladder. Not exactly clash of titans.

  66. 66
    Andy Burnham says:

    The skeletons are all in hospital mortuaries.
    About 10,000 of them.

  67. 67
    Edwina Egg says:

    Me too!

  68. 68
    Orson Cart says:

    All of which they are all like children in a playground spat, reinforcing the need for an earthquake.

  69. 69
    Sir William Wayd says:

    Doctors bury their mistakes.

  70. 70
    Jimmy says:

    Albania’s applied too.

  71. 71

    The French Gov has just had a clean up on Gypo’s

    and guess where they moved to?


  72. 72
    Jimmy says:

    It started here with the Bedroom Tax

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    Morecombe Bay, isn’t that where all those Chinese cockle pickers got drowned under the last Liebore reign of terror?

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    Polly Toynbee says:

    Sexist pig!

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    P l e b says:

    Please remind me who is the CHIEF EXECUTIVE of the NHS. You know, the guy whose salary is actually paid by the NHS.

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    Louise says:

    I imagine he’ll be mocking Osborne.

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    P l e b says:

    The Cones Hotline was a masterstroke

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    Casual Observer 4 says:

    Looks like SAC (Hedge Fund) is to shut down London operations by the end of this year:


    SAC were caught out for insider dealing over a number of years. It is essentially a criminal operation, but as it was outside the beltway is expendable.

    One of the flies in the L’IBOR scandal and cover up which was attempted on Wall Street journal the other day is the hedge fund aspect.

    A detail hidden, parallel to names of traders involved, was the involvement of another employee at B’revan H’oward.

    Some checking on this will reveal certain connections going back to the CSFB days, and some interesting access to the Fed. In the sense of getting details on Fed rate decisions a little ahead of the curve…

    Perhaps another net is closing ?


    But maybe not, as these guys could be considered high up in the ‘kosher-nostra’ , if such a thing exists.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    I would have thought that mass unskilled immigration, over generous benefits and expensive industry destroying EU red tape & green energy taxes were more to blame.

  81. 81
    Anonymous says:

    Badly said. Home ownership is not the fault. It is the lack of multiple local businesses.

    Because of the reduction in competition in business sectors, the industries have scaled back to single sites. Once a single site is taking all the employment the other companies choose different areas. This means that in any one town the closure of that industry is deadly. Those with houses find they have not got a hope of selling them.

    £35k for houses in a local town.

    What is needed is for more medium sized businesses. We need to move the employees around without disruption to their home lives. But medium businesses are going to the wall at present. Just look at the auction sites for business machinery.

    Having a house in a prosperous business growing area does not stop you moving to a new job. Having to move because the single area business has gone bust is an issue. The ownership of houses is not wrong it is the government business model that does not match the UK peoples requirements that has failed.

  82. 82
    P l e b says:

    Winterbourne Home for Adults: The staff there went to management, top management, QCC and were totally ignored. It wasn’t until the BBC got involved that the bad press forced action.

    One dreads to think what goes on behind closed doors at private care homes

  83. 83
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    Is the answer twelvety?

  84. 84

    McBride trained bully boys don’t change their behavior just because they are foisted on their constituents and become an MP

    Woodcock and Dugher will never know how to behave in polite company

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    More like clash of the tits.

    Speaking of tits where are those De Piero pics :-)

  86. 86
    mark Wouters. says:

    Why not just tell the tories to GO anywhere that doesnt want them ,But Not here please ???weve had em before and enough is enough,GO GO GO and take their unlawfull taxes with em.EEEEEEby gum

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    Hollande is shitting bricks at the rise of Le Pen’s Front National :-)

  88. 88
    Casual Observer 4 says:

    It gets worst:


    This is part of what LibLabCon are not telling you, but are accusing UKIP of being rac!st for because UKIP are.

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    cynic says:

    “It was a global problem which started in America.”

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    Anonymous says:

    Surely it is time to privatise the NHS, as well as the BBC.

    Those are the last two remaining socialist sacred cows, mooing in adjacent fields of taxpayers’ clover.

    It would be a kindness all round.

  91. 91
    The Public says:

    Burnham should be on trial for manslaughter

  92. 92
    Polly Toynbee says:

    How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

  93. 93
    More CO2 batshit crazy idiocy says:

    Windfall tax?

    For doing precisely what Labour, Lib-Dem and Conservative ministers have told energy companies to do, to a timetable drawn up by those very same ministers and at rates of subsidy those same ministers voluntarily offered the energy companies, if they did as they were told.

    These profits were built into the whole ‘green deal’ as a way of compensating energy companies, who will be investing in worthless, largely unproductive windfarms and paid more for producing less energy, under the LabLibCon’s entirely shambolic, shared green energy policy.

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    Striver says:

    We have one gas pipe entering our home. The gas that emits from it is always the same irrespective of who is profiting from its delivery. Why pray do I have to support six fkn companies together with their excess profits and ridiculous pay levels of six sets of directors etc. Someone needs to get a fkn grip, this aint no market, more the economics of the nut house

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    Doctor Mick says:

    Given that pikeys are allergic to bedrooms I should venture that it started in Portugal.

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    Casual Observer 4 says:

    It is lack of mobility which forces up unemployment when businesses close down, and a mortgage is the biggest single killer of mobility.

    Increasing prices artificially through government stimulus, whilst increasing debt burden and raising GDP, also increases risk to those carrying the debt that they will be in negative equity.

    The increase in GDP disguises also the fact that the underlying economy is somewhat weak, which is reflected in what you mention about business restructuring and in some cases wholesale closure.

    Those considering buying are not able to evaluate the risk of taking on mortgage accurately due to the distortions that government intervention introduce in this area of the economy.

    Relaxing stamp duty would be a positive move in addition to cancelling ‘help to buy’ as it would reduce government interference in the market place.

  97. 97
    Polly Pot says:

    Or in NHS hospitals.

    Luckily, like all top execs at the Guardian, I have BUPA.

  98. 98
    Scrounging hordes of Brit haters from the Republic of Ireland who come to NI for free NHS treatment says:

    Why not charge us?

  99. 99
    Ed Rock'n'Roll says:

    John Major, the man who created the profiteering private monopolies that milk the rail system is now criticising the private, profiteering cartel of private energy suppliers that he helped to help themselves to our assets. He should reflect on his time in government and come to the conclusion that he made many mistakes which have brought about the unfair, unequal, impoverished society of today. Remember his dream of inherited wealth cascading down through the generations? That has turned into an intergenerational war for which he and his mentor Thatcher are to blame

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    Doctor Mick says:

    Duh, because it only takes one company to get the gas from the North Sea, clean it, store it, maintain the delivery infrastructure all the way to the pipe in your house when you want it.

    By the way, profits are regulated by government. If you want to know what the problem is, it’s tax.

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    Dave Cameron EU Stooge and destroyer of the UK says:

    Marvelous news!

    Soon another 88 million musIims will have the right to enter and settle in the UK, perfectly legally.

  102. 102
    LabLibCon EU Stooge alliance and destroyers of the UK says:

    Why not charge everyone who does or has not contributed for at least five years?

    Oh wait, we can’t discriminate against EU nationals, because t would break some law we were never asked to endorse.

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    Ed Rock'n'Roll says:

    We didn’t have this problem when it was just British Gas. Did they rip us off? Not that I can remember.

  104. 104
    Lord Fatten says:

    I think I ought to leap to John Major’s defence by revealing to you that he and I are friends.

  105. 105
    LabLibCon EU Stooge alliance and destroyers of the UK says:


    Open borders and a welfare state for all, is a recipe for social and economic collapse.

  106. 106
    nellnewman says:

    “Leave Andy Burnham alone, the electorate will not forgive you for this”


    Really? which bit of the electorate is that ? certainly not anyone who has suffered at the hands of the uncaring NHS that burnham created !!

  107. 107
    Ed Balls - Shallow Chancer says:

    This demonstrates how the economy is still flat-lining. Exactly as I predicted.

  108. 108
    Casual Observer 4 says:

    It is quite damning of Cameron’s position that Major is coming out the woodwork like this.

    Is Cameron about to be axed ?

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    nellnewman says:

    Lets hope labour leave burnham as shadow health minister to 2015. There are many people out here who remember what he did to the NHS and what the NHS did to thousands of patients.

    he’s no vote winner.

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    Labour will be exposed as fraudsters says:

    Lefties always resort to violence- it’s in their genes.

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    Casual Observer 4 says:

    Much of the property being purchased in London is being bought by overseas folk with cash.

    A good question is, why would people overseas with cash be wanting to purchase assets like this in London rather than remain liquid ?

    There is perhaps big trouble on the way…

  112. 112
    John Mann MP, Member of Parliament for Bassetlaw, including Retford, Worksop, and the villages says:

    I am a wanker.

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    Ed Balls says:

    Oops, made error.

    f(x) = 2 + x – x2


    f(-3) = 2 + (-3) – 32 = -33

  114. 114
    Jeeves says:

    Look it up for yourself you lazy cnut.

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    I reckon says:

    UKIP is the envy of the world

    A chant which continues to work for BBC, NHS, et al

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    You have to look where they are taking it from. My experience is that there are plenty of Russians, Chinese and other types who are glad to get their funds out from where it is less convertible. They are not overly concerned about taking a dropsy but more with having their comfortable bolt-hole.

    For types like us who learn to make every penny work, it is difficult to fathom.

    However, go to any corporation tip and look what Brits chuck away. Working TVs, quite reasonable furniture, stuff that I would look at and say that must do another ten years. They are doing it because they have bought the latest replacement and can’t be bothered to sell it in the local so dump it or, more likely, get it dumped.

    Same thing, just lower down the scale.

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    Hamspam Chowder says:

    It can’t be anything to do with the religion of piss.

  118. 118
    Barnehurst Bob says:

    His statement looks like it was written by the Police Federation.

  119. 119
    Mr. Gullible says:

    ….and there I was thinking that they couldn’t come here before January unless they had a job.

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    Observation says:

    @Labour will be exposed as fraudsters

    “Lefties always resort to violence- it’s in their genes.”

    Well what else do they have?

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    Bet this won't be discussed in PMQs says:

    MPs ‘ pay rise.

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    RomaBob..trafficking a kiddie or two! says:

    Labour threatening violence? Well, no change there then !

  123. 123

    BBC ‘shelves’ Panorama exposé of Comic Relief


    Staffing costs at Comic Relief almost doubled from £7.1million a year in 2008 to £13.5 million by 2012. Bugger the allegedly.

  124. 124

    It is always a mistake to try to be tough. I threatened physical violence when I was caught lying by Cloakroom Attendant about my dear old dad’s military record. However, Dad told me in a dream that he was very disappointed in me and that I should leave it alone. I have since tried to make peace with Cloakroom Attendant but he seems to continue to hold the grudge.

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    Troll Watch says:
  126. 126

    Regulars know that I signed out earlier today.

  127. 127
    Derek & Clive says:

    so this bloke comes up to me and goes “hello”

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    Podiceps says:

    I see, around me in central London, whole houses that were formerly divided into flats being bought by billionaires, expensively tarted up, and not lived in — not even used as an occasional pied-à-terre for London visits. A few years later they are sold, bought by other billionaires, re-tarted up in a different style, and still not lived in, and I can see no end to the cycle at the moment.

    I think that the economics of this peculiar process are more complicated than you think, but have no idea of what they are. The obvious beneficiaries are architects, builders and interior decorators, especially as the tarting-up is extended to take a grotesquely long time, sometimes years, while the super-rich client is milked of millions. It’s baffling, but it’s happening.

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    Referee says:


  132. 132
    Plod 666 says:

    allo allo allo
    what’s all this then?
    an MP swearing?
    I hope he’s not a tory
    I fucking hate tories
    I may have to make some, ahem, “contemporaneous” notes, if you get my drift

  133. 133
    Podiceps says:

    There were cones. There were no weapons of mass destruction.

  134. 134
    Podiceps says:

    Is that the best you can do? Can this really be Jimmy? I think the real one would have managed a full stop at the end of the sentence.

    Come on, Jimmy, real or not, summon the demons of socialist hatred and give us all a bit of a giggle.

  135. 135
    M102 says:

    Can’t we send them straight to Jockland so that they can get free prescriptions too?

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    Anonymous says:

    It is a symptom. The significant business closing was the cause.

    If it did not close the mobility would be fine.
    If the area had a good mix of industry, small and large, they would be fine.

    See Detroit for ultimate example.

    Causes and symptoms are always mixed up by those forcing and agenda.

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    When I say signed out, I mean that I signed out from making comments but will obviously here pointing out trolls whenever they appear.
    One day they will learn that I am very patient and that they cannot beat me.

  138. 138
    Podiceps says:

    True, but the effect of being attacked by the Greek army is so much less than that of being attacked by the German one. In fact, if it happened, I wonder whether anyone would notice.

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    M102 says:

    Nicholson gets left out of this. Strange.

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    Troll Watch says:
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    resnonverba59 says:

    Violence is also the last response of a sterile mind.

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    Referee says:


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    Referee says:


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    Grumpy old git says:

    I never donate to telethons. They always seem to be full of ephemeral pop acts, desperate celebs trying to re-launch their desperate careers and newsreaders trying to be funny. Have always been suspicious of where the money goes. Just give to the British Legion and local hospices.

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    Referee says:

    Only 1 point when SC responds in his own name, double points when he uses Troll Watch or any of his other names.

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    Conservative Economic Policy: the proof of the pudding says:

    Let’s get back on point shall we?

    Let’s talk about the highly successful economic policy which has been implemented by the Conservative Party.

    The success of any economic policy can be illustrated by the economic success of the entrepreneurs operating within that economy.

    Since becoming Prime Minister of this country and implementing his tax breaks for our wealth creators, I am pleased to be able to exclusively report that David Cameron’s personal wealth has increased from 30 million pounds to 45 million pounds. During that same period George Osborne, our brave Chinese Communist Party supporting Chancellor of the Exchequer, has increased his personal wealth at an even faster rate.

    Who said that the Chancellor had no economic experience and qualifications?

    He has clearly proved those naysayers wrong, hasn’t he?

    Logically speaking the following proposition is obviously true: under this government the rich have got richer, so who gives a damn about the fact that they did it at the expense of the poor?

    That is capitalism, comrades. It’s a rigged game, innit?

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    Pope Innocent says:

    I cannot possibly be cat’s troll as I don’t know how to put the 2 little dots above the O.

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    Toxic Labour scum trashed my Country says:

    When is Belsen Burnham going to be prosecuted for mass murder?

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    Troll Watch says:

    I think that the economics of this peculiar process are more complicated than you think…

    I admit that I do not have the answer to this one but have anecdotal information in other parts of Europe which point to a common thread.

    Then I tried to explain how it works on a lower level in the UK in case that has a bearing. Wealth is an interesting thing. The Ruskies like to wear it around their necks here. That is because they are not used to having it. The older money is not always interested in showing off to others. They are happy to appear not worth mugging, breaking into, begging letters and all the other attendant problems.

    Look at the bags on the conveyor belts at arrivals and it soon becomes clear who want to brag and who are happy to fade into the crowds. Some of those will be poor but a few will be very rich. I am neither!

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    Toxic Labour scum trashed my Country says:

    Labour are skilled at bumping off innocent people.

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    Referee says:

    1,000,000,000,000,000 – minus ∞

    There! Happy?

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    Casual Observer 4 says:

    The economics are very simple.

    i) If legit: Converting cash into fixed asset is a way of storing wealth. Safe in London as tax is low and risk is low: You are very unlikely to have the asset taken by the government, reported to a foreign government (it will likely be purchased through a shell in a tax haven) and if all hell breaks loose, can be lived in. London is not likely to be nuked.

    ii) More likely case: Not legit

    London is becoming a tax haven of choice replacing S’witzerland for many. See point above about tax, that is part of the non-legit.

    However, less legit is parking money from illicit sources in property in order to ‘launder’ it. This is the layering step. If done quickly it is obvious what is going on, but holding asset for a few years before switching likely confounds the agencies who are investigating.

    So, the asset as a vehicle for storing wealth is what most of these purchases are. The ‘tarting’ up is part of this, and really does point more to laundering rather than legitimate purchasing.

    Such renovations works are usually not very transparent to tax authorities etc.

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    Troll Referee Watch says:

    Hey you are using my

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    Chris Crocker says:


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    Genghiz the kahn says:

    Where were the fearless beeboids when deaths started rising at Mid Staffs Hospital? Where was the expose of the incompetence at other NHS trusts. Is it not very strange that a manager from Mid Staffs gets kicked upwards to the Qualtiy Care Commission, another useless regulatory quango.

    The Winterborne Stoke stuff is all very well, but the NHS failings are hardly covered by the super sized state broadcaster…

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    Now this is interesting as it all depends upon what one means by legit.

    Drugs money – not legit – easy.

    Getting funds out of a controlled zone. Is that legit or not?

    Preventing death duties from wrecking your estate? Legit or not?

    Looking after your family if you have some terminal illness? Legit or not?

    Just deciding where to place your income stream if you are an actor, musician or writer? Legit or not?

    I think you will see where I am going. You can make this list 1,000 pages long and still not cover the ground.

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    OMG says:

    I just clicked on the link for the Class Conference, Nov 2. All of our friends will be there: Fartbott, Owen, Polllypot, Lenin McLuskey, Toilets, Angie Eagle, Red Ken and many more. Can’t wait.

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    fernandos pants says:


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    John Mann MP, Member of Parliament for Bassetlaw, including Retford, Worksop, and the villages says:

    At last! I have found an even bigger wanker than I am.

    I am so grateful and won’t threaten to sue you on Commons headed paper.

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    John Mann MP, Member of Parliament for Bassetlaw, including Retford, Worksop, and the villages says:

    I’m the big wanker around here and I don’t appreciate competition of the type you are trying to provide.


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    Devil's Dumplings says:

    Yes they did:

    and the Customer Service was non-existent

    and we were held to ransom by the Union bully boys who effectively ran the monopoly

    just like all the Nationalised Industries.

    Don’t people have short memories?

    Not saying that BGas, Scootish Power and all the rest are anything like perfect, they’re not and guilty as hell of running a Cartel, but it’s a hell of a sight better than when the TUC ran the show.

    Ofgen should be sorting them out, but what else do you expect from another Quango run by deadbeat Civil Serpents looking to feather their pensions???

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    John Mann MP, Member of Parliament for Bassetlaw, including Retford, Worksop, and the villages says:

    I’m the big wanker around here and I don’t appreciate competition of the type you are trying to provide.


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    Clunt Eastwards says:

    You’ve got to ask yourself one question: ‘Do I feel lucky?’ Well, do ya punk?

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    roma n holiday says:

    Soon we shall be wit you deer inglisheers, we receeve pay top euro for blond babies so give kindlee to euro new naybors.

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    fattabottomus says:


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    Gonk says:

    The Nation State is racist

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    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    Coming out with an expletive whilst in charge of a bicycle is a very serious offence Sonny, I’m afraid I’ll have to report this matter to Police Federation (and the Labour party).

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    Fatten says:

    try taking the squad car out for a short while, marvel at the number of one eyed bangers merrily going about their robs, try booking a few or is that too much to ask. Its not cold yet, there`s time to pull a few collars.

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    Casual Observer 4 says:

    Profits from organized crime are one possibility.

    Would not be surprised if a lot of the recent purchased have been by wealthy F’rench running scared of ‘bail in’ and 75% tax levies.

    The rest would be business as usual. Could be worth checking to find out how the poppy harvest was this year ;-)

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    ex-Tory leader says:

    I D-Smith to George Osborne “What’s wrong with me”?

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    John Major says:


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    @7:32 above
    It appears that I posted as Troll Watch rather than with my “real” name. Sorry for the confusion.

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    Margaret Thatcher says:

    I never endorsed you as tory leader.

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    Referee (RAFLMFAO) says:

    Whilst I am tempted to value using my name at triple points, I am content to leave it at double.

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    One-term Dave (dragging the Tories to their eternal grave) says:

    Good for you, old chap! I say, I’m not entirely sure where you’ll be living, but I’m clearing all the indigenous English people out ‘their’ council housing so you can jolly well move straight in! Spiffing!

    Now, there are only going to be several hundred thousands of you, aren’t there? That’s jolly good – a few more towns to clear and a few more counties to cover in concrete and we should be all set for you! Super jolly spiffing, what what!

    Tally ho!

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    Referee (RAFLMFAO) says:


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    Pöpe Innöcent says:

    I cannot possibly be cat’s troll as I don’t know how to put the 2 little dots above the O.


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    Pöpe Innöcent says:


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    Vlad the Loudhailer says:

    Yes Morecambe was where I grew up, and it was a great place to live in the 50s and early 60s. Unfortunately it was the Chinese cockle pickers who got caught out by the rapid incoming tide and not the murdering Labour health ministers.

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    Are there no workhoses;are there no prisons ? says:

    At least Major can’t be disappointed at Cameron not pursuing his,Major’s ,”Victorian Values” …..next Tory policy initiative is no doubt bringing back Workhouses and Poor Relief

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    The most amusing claim ever says:

    He’s a front runner for “Leader of Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition” if Ed falls under a bus so unlikely….

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    "Smithy" Smith says:

    Time to resign your seat, son.

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    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    Our esteemed peace envoy Tony Blair is now advising Albania on their negotiations to join the EU, according to him on a pro bono basis (Ha,Ha,). How bad can it get?.

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    Welcome to the land of plenty.....ALL are welcome says:

    In fairness you can’t blame the French for booting them on to the nearest cross channel ferry …..just like they did with so called Asylum seekers at Calais…we’d do the same in their situation

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    Anonymous says:

    When is Andy Burnham going to be arrested for the mass murder at Mid Staffs?

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    Pudsey No-go area says:

    They’ve already started touting for “Children in Need”..

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    Watch Watch Watch Watch says:

    You fule!

    Troll Watch is my real name. The other one is just a m-m-m-moniker.

    Now you have let the cat out of the bag. Eejit!

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    So enriching says:

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    Casual Observer 4 says:

    On every level this is just totally fucked up:


    Political Union with Belgium ??? Good luck ;-)

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    Bollocks, there's no such thing says:

    There are no scrounging hordes of Brit haters coming from the Republic of Ireland.
    You, Sir, are a Liar.
    And a confounded Liar at that.

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    Pope Innocent says:

    Also, I can’t do those smiley face things.

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    The worlds gone mad I tell you says:

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    Bilda Berger says:

    It happened last week, though nobody bothered to report it. The Greeks were repelled with a can of fly-spray; they started buzzing about at random, then turned on their backs and whizzed round and round at incredible speed.

    It’s all on YouTube.

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    Malignant Overdrive says:

    number of bankers/financiers penalised for the economic crisis = 0

    number of disabled people penalised for the economic crisis = 3.6 million

    tory = C’UNT

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    OMG says:

    Others present include Jack Droney, Zoeee Williams, Billy Hayes and fatty Thornberry.

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    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    Nasty, the reason footage of this stuff turns up in Russia is that the cops are so corrupt it’s almost standard practice for people that can afford it to fit a mike’d camera to the car dashboard so if they get pulled over for an alleged traffic offence and the Polski demand a 200 rouble fine (which goes straight in their back pocket) they have got a deterrent and an insurance policy.

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    What a spastic Fernando is! says:

    Yes, it isn’t it boring that the personal wealth of Cameron and Osborne has increased as a direct result of their own policies?

    You cretin.

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    Tories voted for the Iraq war and occupation of Afghanistan as well you moron says:

    Where do Tory HQ get these idiots from?

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    Anonymous says:

    SC, every time you answer them you admit that they own you. Why don’t you just ignore them.

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    BBC PR dept says:

    We’re busy right now, but we’ll be back after we’ve spent some more of your money, thanks.


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    Rabbi Burns says:

    Fock off already

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    Watch Watch Watch Watch says:

    That is what your boyfriend told me.

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    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    And just a short while ago, the BBC would have had it hosted by Jimmy Savile.

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    Andy Burnham says:

    I’m working on an “Ed Balls Care Pathway”…he’ll be under it.

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    ? Watch says:

    ? You dropped this.


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    Tone Blair says:

    Now look, what is important you know, is.

    Nice beard Polly

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    Referee says:

    SC is scoring own goals at record speed.

    He now has to answer every troll comment so as to avoid the suggestion that he has been beaten.

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    Go on. take the triple! You know you want to.


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    Referee says:

    The final whistle cannot come soon enough for the poor cat.

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    Ellie Mae (8) says:

    I’m up late fucktards, yay!!

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    Referee says:

    Can I have some more please?

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    I am posting here in my spare time.

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    Give me the latest score first and then we’ll see… ♥

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    everard says:

    Uncanny, you’ve got the big pussy off to a T.

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    There is no final whistle ♥

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    Ellie Mae (8) says:

    Why, you got no mates then?

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    daddy says:

    He loves a good beating.

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    The trolling has been back with a vengance today. I have no idea why.

    Maybe the troll did not have enough money for his internet connection and his benefits were paid today.

    I am not sure what the purpose of the trolling is supposed to be – surely, the trolls do not think that I am going to give up commenting on here.

    The fact that I use a number of monikers does not mean that they win – why would it? Since when do the trolls get to set the rules?

    It is all very boring and detracts from the serious opinions that are expressed in the comments.

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    No he doesn’t. He’s gone out for a drink with friends and has paid me to do it. How much are you being paid?

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    US Watch says:

    Nothing on TV tonight ? Here is some good viewing:

    Keep up the good fight.

    (Teaparty were slurred as KKK today – echoes of UKIP / Rac!sm…)

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    What? With a name like mine?

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    The trolling has been back with a vengance today. I have no idea why.

    Maybe the trolls did not have enough money for an internet connection and benefits were paid today.

    I am not sure what the purpose of the trolling is supposed to be – surely, the trolls do not think that I am going to give up commenting on here.

    The fact that I use a number of monikers does not mean that they win – why would it? Since when do the trolls get to set the rules?

    It is all very boring and detracts from the serious opinions that are expressed in the comments.

    I also see that the trolls have been going through the archives and making troll comments on old threads – presumably in the hope that I will not pick them up. Fortunately, I am able to monitor all the comments and can put the record straight.

    Trolls, you need to know that I WILL NOT BE BEATEN!

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    Duty Pedant says:


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    daddy says:

    Not drinkies with those fucking Norwegians again ffs?

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    Duty Pedant says:


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    trolling for englund says:

    I bet you say that to all the boys duckie

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    The trolling has been back with a vengance today. I have no idea why.

    Maybe the trolls did not have enough money for an internet connection and benefits were paid today.

    I am not sure what the purpose of the trolling is supposed to be – surely, the trolls do not think that I am going to give up commenting on here.

    The fact that I use a number of monikers does not mean that they win – why would it? Since when do the trolls get to set the rules?

    It is all very boring and detracts from the serious opinions that are expressed in the comments.

    I also see that the trolls have been going through the archives and making trolling comments on old threads – presumably in the hope that I will not pick them up. Fortunately, I am able to monitor all the comments and can put the record straight.

    Trolls, you need to know that I WILL NOT BE BEATEN!

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    US Watch says:

    Could be confused progressives unable to log on to Obamacare.

    Probably off their meds :-)

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    face, bovvered? says:

    yeah, whatever

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    numbnut watch says:

    I think you’re confusing me with someone who gives a fuck, bitch.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    Time for the Russians to deal with these Muslim nutters once and for all.

    Every terrorist act should be met by vaporising a muslim city starting with Riyad until they get the message or the whole Middle East is reduced to a giant piece of radioactive glass.

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    Referee says:

    It appears that notwithstanding that the final whistle was blown ages ago, the cat is still playing and is furiously kicking the ball into his own goal again and again.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    ITV or Sky should do a rival one called “Children in Need of protection from the pedos at the BBC” :-)

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    DIY says:

    If that’s a euphemism for sticking a big black dildo up his arse, you’re probably dead right.

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    fuck me sideways, my son is a gay boy says:

    leave ‘em schrodie they’re not worf it babe!!!

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    Not my cup of tea, but if you enjoy the thought then who am I to stop you?

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    Labour's Blamestorm says:

    Anyone else notice how socialists always blame everyone else?

    I bet it was all Thatcher’s fault or the bankers or the Daily Mail or Lord Ashcroft.

    Anyone but the guy who was actually supposed to be in charge at the time.

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    wet wet wet says:

    methinks the cat is in de Nile.

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    Casual Observer 4 says:

    It is because socialists hate themselves, and their struggle against that inner hate leads them to project and blame others.

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    Casual Observer 4 says:

    Might be interesting to some, good site with UK data:


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    No one really cares, you knob..!! says:

    Do fucking jog on, you bellend.

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    The BBC always reports, "The Government has...Labour said..." says:

    -10 Testicular Idiot!

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    Anonymous says:

    Burnham is a shitbag,

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    EU Watch says:

    So it looks like G’ermany is going to be asked to step up to the plate in assuming some responsibility for global security:

    Ignoring the obvious reasons why inviting G’ermany to do this it does perhaps indicate that the US is looking to reduce its deployment in Europe, which by implication means that Europe is now very much a secondary concern.

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    Jack Ketch says:

    After Ronnie and Reggie went inside, there was no other work except in Union recruitment and “motivating the workers”, then when Fatcher spanked that source of cash, the Labour party was the only organisation that offered a structured career path–apart from the Metropolitan Police that is.

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    A non attention seeker says:

    How totally bizarre that someone who posts on here under a psuedonym i.e totally anonymous, takes offence that some other completely anonymous person is pretending to be them…this is totally insane!

    This is a psychiatrists dream. I do have to think that the original SC (I hesitate to use the description “real” SC) has some kind of certifiable personality disorder.

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    Calamity Clegg, Chief Cockroach says:


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    Jack Ketch says:

    Are you suggest that larry the cat licks his arse in order to get rid of the taste of politics?

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    tn02 says:


    She has more balls than Cameron, Osborne, Miliband and clegg put together.

    It takes a real national socialist to LEAD!

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    Prof Dieter Helm says:

    “step up to the plate”

    Oi!….I’ve made a career out of that euphamism!

    (PS – Please don’t look into my first degree / earlier qualifications into that well known science called economics)

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    tn02 says:

    You do realise that probably 70% plus of visitors, that visit this website, do not have numerate abilities (i.e with numerate degrees let alone numerate GCSE qualifications) necessary to analyse the numerical data that you linked to…even if their lives depended on it?

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    JadedJean says:

    Murray Rothbard is just yet another J*wish anarchist (and another New York one at that).

    Libertarianism is a J*wish construct.

    When will you ever understand that relationship?

    Do you actually understand what the Tea Party is all about?

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    Anonymous says:

    How can the police federation trio deny what was said on Andrew Mitchels tape.They still dont admit to barefaced lying, amazing !

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    Lord Duckhouse of Pondlife says:

    There must first be an impartial investigation – send for the Sutton Coldfield Three.

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    Anonymous says:

    Do not privatise it.

    Being an “it” is the problem. Private/public will not alter the situation.

    It needs dividing along different lines. I would go for physical divisions of units. Units would literally have a line around them and would handle everything cleaning, painting and drugs etc. They would be of a set of building blocks of common types. Types of work that can be directly compared across the UK.

    As with all institutions the top level wants everything uniform and specified. It takes away innovation. The NHS should only specify down to the Unit level. Below that it is a competitive business free to differentiate itself. Not privatised, but free to chose the ways of working in competition with its fellow units of the same type.

    For an organization as big as the NHS the top levels of control need to be limited in the view of the details.

    They would only need to specify the crossing of the unit barriers and require strict hand-off of patients and supplies. This would give an absolute responsibility for patients to the units that “owned” them.

    As a whole the NHS is so complicated it must simplified by some sort of coalescing of parts that are viewed as black boxes. Only then will it be manageable.

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    Education x3 says:

    *its finest. It’s is a contraction of it is or it has.

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    Scrounging hordes of Brit haters from the Republic of Ireland who come to NI for free NHS treatment says:

    Yes there fucking well are. Don’t get all uppity that the con has been rumbled.

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    Scrounging hordes of Brit haters from the Republic of Ireland who come to NI for free NHS treatment says:


    There you go, you cùnt

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    Bertrand Russell, 3rd Earl, OM, FRS says:

    You are claiming that as many as 30% do?

    Things have improved since my day.

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    Casual Observer 4 says:

    That is no reason to not share the link offering them the freedom to access the information and have a look.

    Lot of data is already sliced and diced on the site.

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    Well said says:

    It also baffles me – it seems that a number of the regular posters on this website seem to pretend that they are the pseudo-name that they use.

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    tn02 says:

    Just checking your awareness!

    Like someone else said…do you understand what the Tea Party is all about?

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    US Watch says:

    Yes. And it is preferable to the Trotskyite lunacy which seems to have taken hold of the progressive left (as it has done in the UK), and the irresponsible laissez faire laziness of the right (RINOs).

    Be aware that the Teaparty is not a ‘party’ but a movement which is making inroads into the Republican party at present, but likely will soon be starting on the Dems.

    In the UK, UKIP is taking votes from the LibLabCon. They are in direct political competition.

    In the US, the Teaparty are staging a hostile takeover of the Republican party. They may well start to make inroads into the Dems, especially when the Dem’s minority support realize that the Dems are the rac!st party who have been shamelessly revising their history recently.

    This is a major bone of contention which is irritating non-white Conservatives at present.

    The same would have happened in the UK if the cultural Marxists had not totally subverted the Conservative party.

    A good libertarian question which is still worth debating:

    Should a libertarian government hold nuclear weapons ?

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    Anonymous says:

    One way we get ripped off is by the Unions on pay to the workers etc.. The other way we are ripped off is by the fat cat bosses and bonuses.

    So is there another way? Yes break it up differently.

    All purchase, storage, and main distribution is national. There is no option but to have gas and gas pipes. Like there is no option about rail tracks or motorways.

    Then the customer companies are all using the same priced gas. They then sell services to the customers. They deal with the bad customers and compete on the end price. But only as a delta on the base price of gas set by the government. They would manage any green taxes but have to account for the percentage of the cost directly to the operators and their own costs for running the schemes.

    Once it is clear how much of the bill is down to just the meter charging process, and the management of the “green” issues the real truth will be obvious.

    Basically take away the fixed numbers and let them justify the actual cost of their business. It is always easy to hind management cost when the actual number is big. 10% difference in bills with the base cost numbers included is quite different from 10% different management costs.

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    Displaced Brummie says:

    Idiot Labourite with bad hair style defends Andy “thousands died for him” Burnham.

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    Casual Observer 4 says:

    Read that above. Not me – The cat ? Or Sock puppet ?

    Would say most who browse across this blog are numerate enough to be able to click a link and understand some hot maps of various UK data, and perhaps if interested, capable of pulling into spreadsheet and crunching some numbers.

    Doesn’t take a degree to do that anymore as Google and online help in the software will generally get you the information needed.

    One extra bit of info which is worth knowing about, particularly when politicians try to make certain assertions based on statistics:


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    Anonymous says:

    It is not insane. It is actually what is called “play”. Some missed out on it as a child and have now the chance to enjoy themselves.

    It is just what a pub used to be. The landlord encourages the banter, knowing that certain people have vented their spleen and will go home with less anger. For the price of a few sharp words, and a little authoritarian moderation of the guests, he will go home with some profit.

    Which part of that is insane? This is the only sensible part of the UK left.

    Or am I insane.

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    A DOG always returns to its VOMIT says:

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    Anonymous says:

    I had no idea that the local town has half its inhabitants born abroad!

    The next ward has over 96% born in the UK.

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    Casual Observer 4 says:

    If you are not under oath it is not a criminal offense to lie.

    Politicians do this all the time.

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    JadedJean says:

    One (credible in my view) suggestion is that the Tea-Party Movement is just a re-branding of the Neo-Conservative movement given the bad press the latter has received domestically. This had its roots in Trotskyism which was ousted and purged from the USSR under Stalin because it was seen to be the bed fellow of Social Democracy, grass roots Libertarianism, which is very American and very non post 1928 Soviet Union.

    Clever people do clever things which not so clever people rarely comprehend. There are far fewer clever people than there are not so clever and sadly, not all clever people are fair-minded, in fact, some are highly paranoid, and have an axe to grind.

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    For that Chuka you do deserve some respect. Well Done. says:

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    EU Funded Pro-EU Troll says:

    Vote UKIP.

  278. 278
    Displaced Brummie says:

    Looking forward to seeing him? Why? Do they want to add Burnham to the list of their dead?

  279. 279
    US Watch says:

    The grass roots support for the Teaparty appears to be born of a revulsion to the excesses of the Bush administration, and now is powered by what is perceived as a wholesale betrayal by Obama’s.

    Cross check Obama’s rhetoric in the run up to 2008 and you will see as Senator he was saying a lot of the things which the Teaparty types were saying then, and are still saying now.

    It is all about core values.

    The US is not a naturally ‘progressive’ country, but is at heart very conservative and still believes in its ‘exceptionalism’. This applies equally to the established population, and most immigrants, legal and otherwise, excluding those from Eastern Europe and Canada.

    Many people have woken up to the fact that the public school / university systems have been indoctrinating students with weird Marxist notions that are now perceived to be a direct cause of reduction in living standards and national decline.

    A few years back people did start taking their children out and home educating them. This younger generation are much more libertarian in outlook, and Obama’s socialist agenda has helped strengthen this.

    Perhaps one should be aware that the debt ceiling capitulation was triggered by the RINOs realizing that their stance was enhancing Teaparty support. A minor set back for them, the movement is now playing the sellout line to reasonable effect, and people are aware that the debt ceiling is not a problem but overall national debt is.

    In the meantime, healthcare.gov’s technical problems, people having their current healthcare plans cancelled for various reasons and realization that next year the IRS is likely to start clawing back money from many caused by improper subsidies awarded to those able to get through the web registration process is beginning to be understood.

    The calls to defund this latest experiment in big government are becoming louder.

    The Teaparty is not a rebranding of the neo-conservatives. That is what the liberal left lunatics are trying to project, and they are way off the mark.

    In the mean time, the movement will continue, as the people know that in order to change things they need to modify the make up of the available parties, and that starts with ensuring the right sort of senators get selected and elected.

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    Why is he not on trial?

  281. 281

    I am US Watch – did you guess?

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  283. 283
    EU Watch says:

    And I am talking to myself.

    The protests are about 50% reduction in admin staff at Universities in Greece.


    @SC: The following article may be of interest to you re: F’rance / US spat over NSA spying:


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    Why does the gullible idiot who signed up to the Maastrich Treaty expects anybody to take him seriously.

  285. 285

    For a piss poor shithole like Albania the only benefit is to make it easier to get rid of their gypsies. Brace yourselves for the next influx, imagine the cultural enrichment it will bring!
    Coming soon to a cashpoint near you!

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    Casual Observer 4 says:

    One should probably not muddy the UK Housing market with the ultimate liberal cluster-fuck known as Detroit.

    But sticking with the automotive sector, in the UK, where government pushed home ownership with one hand, and destroyed industry by encouraging it to relocate to Turkey for example, then the problem of government meddling in the two markets becomes clear.

    The only rational explanation for these interventions is to work against the interests of the native population.

    On that basis, the common good would be served by a reduction in size and influence of government, and a step in that direction would be halting the ‘help to buy’ ponzi scheme, and revoking stamp duty.

  287. 287
    Casual Observer 4 says:

    Agreed. Continuing to leave borders opened to unskilled workers whilst unemployment is increasing / high with the open welfare system in place is the killer blow.

    But that situation is specific to the UK.

    No other ‘democratic’ country on the planet is retarded enough to allow their government to do that to them, and the non democratic governments are not insane enough to try it.

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    Anonymous says:

    I didn’t see anyone claim that it is a criminal offense.
    But it is serious misconduct if you are a policeman caught blatantly lying in order to discredit someone.

  289. 289
    Anonymous says:

    Yes, not being privy to the facts lots of people voted for the Iraq war based on Blair-Campbell lies.
    But the Tories didn’t vote for mass murder in Mid-Staffs.


  290. 290
    Micky P says:

    Hey boys dont bitch at each other, come join me and Derek Laud for a boys’ holiday in Casablanca. We’ll show you how to bond through masculinity in a way you’ll never forget.

  291. 291
    Anonymous says:

    But primarily they are misanthropes.

  292. 292
    Anonymous says:

    Primarily socialists are professional misanthropes.

  293. 293
    Little Bo Peep says:

    … but only because their bennies have been slashed!

  294. 294
    Miss Ann Thropes says:

    More tea, Vicar?

  295. 295
    Miss Ann Thropes says:

    Ooooops! There you go again! You cannot say ‘dr**ven’ in this illustrious forum without suffering the consequences of a few hours in the sin bin.

  296. 296
    Miss Ann Thropes says:

    Any country that tries to negotiate a trade deal with the yanks needs certifying – and quickly. Screw ‘em tight and screw ‘em quickly is “the American Way”.

  297. 297
    Miss Ann Thropes says:

    Plus, anybody who can afford a 600k house has no need of any outside help (with other people’s money too!).

  298. 298
    Miss Ann Thropes says:

    Common(ly on) Purpose?

    Of course. Just ask the BBC.

  299. 299
    Miss Ann Thropes says:

    Obviously! The brain-dead are also known as Labour voters.

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    How to convert the temperature. says:

    f = c/5, x9, +32.

    eg: 25/5 = 5 x 9 = 45 + 32 = 77

    Thus: 25*C = 77*F

    Piece of cake innit.

  301. 301
    Split stitches says:

    Bill, your humour just cuts me up!

  302. 302
    Carp Arking says:

    And there was us all thinking that the Welsh were good at burning out foreigner-owned dwellings.

    Need a box of matches, Dai?

  303. 303
    Haifa Sixpence says:

    Oy vey! J*w know what you are about to unleash upon your head?

  304. 304
    Anonymous says:

    P*ss off fruitcake.

  305. 305
    Boxing clever says:

    Yeah, get a move on, Christmas is coming.

  306. 306
    Ken Clarke says:

    Did we sign up to Maastricht? Well if we did, it was a jolly good idea, though don’t quote me on that as I’ve never read it.

  307. 307

    He quite literally knows where the bodies are buried.

  308. 308

    I went to bed hours ago so missed this one. SC did not come home last night, dirty bugger.

  309. 309
    A non attention seeker says:

    But being silly c’unt I’ve missed the point.

  310. 310
    Anonymous says:

    And with 35K houses there is no point.

    As for influence it is simply the size of both sides.

    Look at Grangemouth. If my house can be compulsory purchased for a extension of a 200 year old technology transport system that is not integrated with anything (HS2) then why do they not compulsory purchase Grangemouth and Coryton.

    First ignoring what it will do to the viability of the UK, it will kill the local economy. Having a house there is a liability.

    I know there are enough people in this country that have the expertise to take over that plant. Prices of fuel will go up massively if we spend more and more moving product around. It is time we take these businesses off those that can not run them and start again from scratch. We should also have a government group that assigns priorities to all infrastructure and maintains an over watch on operations for safety and the ability to continue operations.

    6 refineries left. Imagine one failed shut down, and an incident at another.

    The country would grind to a halt. It would be all house prices that fall.

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  312. 312

    SC tells me that this fallacy is easily illustrated by the following:

    A well-fed dog may seldom bark, but to hear it’s rare bark does not imply that the dog is hungry. A dog may bark 5% of the time, even if it is well-fed all of the time.

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    Another Duty Pedant says:


  314. 314
    illogical says:

    I disagree.

  315. 315
    Absurdism says:

    Albert Camus once played in goal BBC

  316. 316
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    John Major

  317. 317
    George Gideon Oliver Osborne says:

    John Major

  318. 318
    Grant Shapps says:

    John Major

  319. 319
    Malignant Overdrive says:

    number of bankers/financiers penalised for the economic crisis = 0

    number of disabled people penalised for the economic crisis = 6.5 million

  320. 320
    Michael Gove says:

    John Major

  321. 321
    Iain Duncan Smith says:

    John Major

  322. 322
    William Hague says:

    John Major

  323. 323
    Nick Clegg says:

    John Major

  324. 324
    Squeaker Bercow says:

    Sir John Major calls for windfall tax on energy profits http://bbc.in/177Yh0e

  325. 325
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    If only we could get a 50% reduction in EU admin/bureaucrat staff, now that really would be a £££ money saver.

  326. 326
    Absurdism says:

    We have no friends, only targets

    Thanks, EU Watch. I left my sockpuppets to it last night but the killerapps article is quite true. It has been going on both years for longer than any of us have been around.

  327. 327
    Liverpool Lullaby says:

    We want bennies and we want them now!

  328. 328
    Henry Crun says:

    The CEO of any other private sector company would be prosecuted for corporate manslaughter

  329. 329
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    PMQ’s Oy Vey.

  330. 330
    George Gideon Oliver Osborne says:

    PMQ’s Oy Vey

  331. 331
    Grant Shapps says:

    PMQ’s Oy Vey

  332. 332
    Michael Gove says:

    PMQ’s Oy Vey

  333. 333
    Owen Jones says:

    This Conservative led coalition is beneath contempt.

    Govt’s own advisers slam youth jobless scheme as failure & support Labour’s compulsory job guarantee instead


  334. 334
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    Afinius: …here’s your cloak; I think it rains too.
    Horace: Hide my shoulders in’t.
    Afinius: ‘Troth, so thou’dst need; for now thou art in thy Pee and Kue: thou hast such a villainous broad back…

  335. 335

    How about a 100% reduction of the useless parasites!

  336. 336

    Will someone please tell me how any one can ever be guaranteed a job, the concept is totally unrealistic

  337. 337
    Lynton "bing"crosby says:

    I can assure Mr Woodcock that we will be reminding the electorate of Andy Burnhams stewardship of the NHS when he was in charge come election time.A few more deaths on his watch to come around election time.

  338. 338
    Gordon McMental, one-eyed trouser snake says:

    But I sorted it all out. No need to thank me, it was the right thing to do.

  339. 339
    Elizabeth abdicated when she signed that trash says:

    Not legally. The laws which permitted the British Membership of the EEC contradict the Queen’s oath concerning her duty to maintain GB sovereignty and independence, and as such are null and void. She could not give assent to them without breaking pre-existing laws of higher precedence.

    When looking for traitors to hang, start with her.

  340. 340
    Hate pikeys says:

    Hitler had the right idea with Gypsies. They’re always moaning they haven’t got anywhere to live, why don’t we build them some lovely, big camps?

    Criminals is what they are. They should be shown the back of the UK’s hand. I could not care less about their rights, dirty thieving pikeys.

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    altruism in industry says:


  342. 342
    Yes we Ken says:

    He used the ‘f’ word, but didn’t call him a pleb then ?

  343. 343
    Stab, stab, twist, kill, stab says:

    Violence has its uses. Used sparingly and selectively it can achieve much.

    People who poo-poo violence are almost always the sickly, bed-wetter types who think quoting poems will lead to world peace and who piss themselves at the first sign of a punch up.

  344. 344
    John Major should be shot as a traitor says:

    Shagging the hatchet-faced old slag Edwina was taking the ‘getting back to basics’ meme a bit too far. Uggghhhh!

  345. 345
    Why make it complicated? says:

    Triple fahrenheit and add 8 to get a close approximation.

  346. 346
    Why make it complicated? says:

    Make that celsius that gets tripled. Duh.

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