October 18th, 2013

WATCH: Mitchell ‘Has Said Pleb Before’

Back when plebgate blew up Mitchell was adamant he would never dream of using that word: “I think most people who know me know I would not use words like pleb or moron in describing anyone”. Well one person who does know him says different:

MP: “I’d heard him use that word in private conversation, the pleb word I mean. I didn’t believe he could have used it at the gates.”

AN: “You’d heard him use it in private conversations?”

MP: “I think I did… but not in a bad context…”

Well this is awkward.

Via @liarpoliticians.

139 Comments

  1. 1
    They thought it was all over. It isn't Now. says:

    Yep saw it live last night. One of those Game changing TV moments.

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    • 8
      Waugh is nearly a Laugh says:

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    • 14
      Llareggub says:

      Oh bollocks. Who cares if he called them “wankers”?

      This is about police corruption, and the extraordinary self confidence of officers who thought they could take down a cabinet secretary as easily as fitting up a petty thief.

      All this shite about what he said or didn’t say is just an effort to distract the public from the reality that we cannot trust the police.

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      • 17
        Chris Huhne says:

        The reality that we cannot trust the politicians as well.

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        • 36
          Llareggub says:

          This is true. But politicians don’t have the power to put us in jail.

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          • Dr Dav1d Ke11y says:

            Naive comment

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          • Yeah, right.... says:

            Sadly, most coppers these days are plebs. They have completely forgotten how to talk the law abiding majority who pay for them and who they exist to serve.

            For many, joining the Police is a last hope of a respectable job, especially since the minimum physical requirements have been dropped. You get a smart uniform and sometimes the chance to drive a powerful German car.

            A once great institution of whom the country could be rightly proud has been reduced to a force of form filling monkeys hiding behind H&S rules and keeping a desk warm until their pension kicks in.

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          • Quiet Bat Person says:

            ‘Pleb’ – short for ‘Plebiscite’.

            plebiscite ˈplɛbɪsʌɪt,-sɪt/

            1. the direct vote of all the members of an electorate on an important public question such as a change in the constitution.

            We need a pleb on the EU!

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          • John Bercow says:

            I could be the Tribune of the Plebs.
            I have an intimate knowledge of the lower orders.
            I have the common touch.
            And that common wife.
            Who all the plebs have touched.
            In her intimate lower areas.

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          • Anonymous says:

            No I never!

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        • 122
          Anonymous says:

          Well, you should know Chris.

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      • 32
        The Met says:

        It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.

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      • 34
        Hugh Janus says:

        +100

        The ‘pleb’ debate is just a minor sideshow. The recorded interview shows the 3 union reps, and of course more importantly as police officers, to be telling porkies.

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        • 71
          Anonymous says:

          Exactly,the whole thing smacks of a “set up” from the start and it is hugely damaging to the reputation of the Police as a whole.Why it wasnt dealt with when it became obvious what was going on, a year ago ?

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      • 138
        mrs cameron says:

        Bollocks. The man will not repeat his own remarks but relies on the gullible to support him.

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    • 16
      Vote UKIP - don't get owned says:

      Hey Portillo has used the word ‘pleb’ now. But then so has Ed Miliband and lots of other people. So what?

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    • 136
      Peter Martin says:

      What is awkward, for a few folk, is getting from ‘said’, to thinking it may have been said, to it not being said, all in a day.

      Telegraph – “The unofficial “Reinstate Andrew Mitchell” campaign was almost derailed last night, when – in a late-night TV appearance – Michael Portillo said he had heard Mr Mitchell using the word “pleb” in private. Today he claimed he had misspoken, telling the Daily Telegraph: “I want to withdraw the comment. I was trying to make the point that he would not have used it to a policeman. I said lightheartedly that it might have been a form of words he would use. But I did not mean to say that I had heard him use it and I wish to withdraw that comment.” Close shave.

      But then, it was on the BBC, so it must be, er…. oo, look, squirrel!

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  2. 2
    Andy Burnthem (1200 deaths and counting) says:

    I am sure he used the word c@nt before but he didn’t call them that even though they were.

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    • 9
      Toxic Labour scum trashed my Country says:

      Is Belsen Burnham going to be prosecuted for mass murder?

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      • 13
        Andy Bumhum says:

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      • 22
        Llareggub says:

        Good heavens, no. What’s a thousand or so corpses compared to offending a policeman? They’re very sensitive souls, don’cha know, the poor dears. You should see them down Cardiff city centre on a Saturday night, tearfully pleading with all those yobs to please, please moderate their language; it’s so undignified and it really hurts their feelings.

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    • 43
      walking into the darkness says:

      it’s truly frightening that 30+ % of the population really think Labour is a better bet. The QT audience really turned on the Tory bloke last night who was, let’s be honest, woefully inept. His uselessness was only eclipsed by the disingenuity of Tristram what rhymes with Hunt, what a helmet jockey that bloke is, good old fashioned working class Tristram

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      • 89
        Anonymous says:

        Everybody knows that the QT audience is handpicked, their opinion isnt worth anything !

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        • 127
          Poor Bloody Taxpayer says:

          Why do they have that leftie American woman, Bonnie whatshername on QT. With her, everything is about race. It really irks me to hear a leftie yank telling us what we should be doing.

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      • 131
        Jack Ketch says:

        Dr. The Honourable Tristram Hunt MP, University College School, Hampstead, Trinity College Cambridge. MP for Stoke (we know that, he told us twice), a real son of the soil.

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  3. 2
    Wanda Ringhands says:

    “I think I did”.

    End of.

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    • 11
      Peter Martin says:

      ‘I think, therefore it is’.

      Persuasive.

      To some.

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    • 26
      Llareggub says:

      Does that justify police officers perjuring themselves and fabricating evidence?

      I couldn’t care less if he called them much worse. It’s the manifest police corruption that concerns me.

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    • 86
      Oh please! says:

      “Did you lie through your teeth in an official log, persuade another serving police officer to participate in your conspiracy by pretending to be a member of the general public and writing an entirely mendacious “eye-witness” account, further persuade three senior members of the police federation to lie about the details of a meeting with Andrew Mitchell, and then persuade other very senior officers to continue in their bluster even after the evidence of your malicious deception had been made clear?”

      “I think I did”

      End of.

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  4. 4
    Ctesibius says:

    It’s not awkward in the slightest. Rubbish Guido.

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    • 28

      Indeed, it’s not awkward. I’ve used the word plenty of times since this all kicked off, mostly describing myself, ironically. I’ve still never called a police officer a pleb, and if I did, it was in a different context, and I was on holiday at the time.

      Seriously, Mitchell must have used the word with aquaintances, or those who fitted him up wouldn’t have even thought of using it against him. It’s really wife-beating fair to say, ‘Ah, you have said the word in the past, so you must have used it during that encounter’. And after carping at Miliband for snap judgements…

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      • 100
        Weygand says:

        Quite right – the context in which a word is used is what gives its meaning and toxicity or lack of it.

        Once again all the air heads jumping up and down because they are too thick or too malicious to understand this.

        Just like the Roy Hodgson non-event.

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    • 47

      Agree completely. I am not a Mitchell supporter, nor a Conservative, but this is so far off beam, when the police have clearly been found out as lying, that I wonder who is writing it and for what purpose…

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    • 82
      Ctesibius says:

      At one time or another I’ve used most of the words in the English Dictionary, but that doesn’t mean Policemen have a right to fit me up for personal gain (‘fight the cuts’).

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  5. 5
    Most blokes fart when they're in the bog Mitchell says Pleb says:

    Pleb..Pleb…p.l.e.b….PLEB

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  6. 6
    Popeye says:

    “I think I did… but not in a bad context…”
    Words of wisdom from a has-been of the chattering classes?

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  7. 7
    Gary Raige says:

    Let’s fire Portillo from his job on jumped up charges that have been fabricated by the police and see how he feels.

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  8. 10
    A GP on £150,000 + private work says:

    Sky high fuel prices in a cold snap should see off the old biddies who stink up the surgery, allowing me to spend more time on private work.

    What’s not to like?

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  9. 12
    The Court of Public Opinion says:

    Game changer? That wouldn’t be a game changer even playing shove ha’penny!

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  10. 18
    Mr Speaker says:

    I still can’t understand why the Sally Bercow/Lord McAlpine story wasn’t referred to as Cow&Gate.

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  11. 19
    ron says:

    It was a systemic error. No policemen to blame for anything.

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  12. 20
    fernandos pants says:

    Anyone for tenuous…?

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  13. 21
    Genghiz the kahn says:

    If Plebgate was offered as a script for Yes Prime Minister, it would be rejected as too implausible. The alleged language might have been too mild for In the Thick Of It, but it has become Whitehall’s longest farce.

    Cameron seemed to be happy enough to drop Mitchell in it; if the guy had organised his campaign, would Call Me Dave have ditched him? But Ed M and Cooper were keen to proclaim that Mitchell was toast, and now even Labour List argue that Labour was wrong on this.

    At least there is footage of Ed M fucking up at PMQs and trying to make a mountain out of molehill once again.

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  14. 23
    Bored Joe says:

    Shock Horror.
    Politicians are liars.
    Plod are liars.
    This story only keeps running because a fucking LibLabConner is involved

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    • 33
      Dave the Liability says:

      Meanwhile I will guarantee the Deficit for today will be £300 million.
      That’s £5 for each of you stupid cnuts that voted faux Conservative.

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    • 95
      Anonymous says:

      No, its because the Chief Whip was ousted from his job because of a deliberate campaign by the Metropolitan Police. Is that ok with you ? if it is, you are a Moron.

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  15. 23
    Popeye says:

    Lets face it, that, “I think I did”, has got to be harder evidence than the downtrodden lying gatekeepers can claim.
    That was good enough for the whole of the Labour party, chief constables et-al so it should be enough to hang Mitchell.

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  16. 25
    Vote UKIP - don't get owned says:

    So you can say words like fuck ,c-nt, etc but not pleb? What a plebbing country.

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  17. 27

    When the evidence doesn’t fit the preconceived belief then talk bollocks.

    http://tinyurl.com/ncl2x28

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  18. 29
    King Feisal says:

    What a small people,a silly people the British have become.

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    • 83
      Village Idiot says:

      ….It’s the effect of 30+ years of immigration,unwanted and un asked for that has made the aborigines of Britain a tiny,tiny,tiny bit miffed…There are other reasons too numerous to mention,but that’s a starter!!!

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    • 84
      Snowman says:

      The vast majority of Brits do not subscribe to your opinion Your Exulted Majesty. It is only the tits in Government and all the lefty loons in eg the eco/environment movements etc.

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  19. 30
    Vote UKIP - don't get owned says:

    How long will it be before people are not allowed to say words like fist, ring and …. debt?

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  21. 35
    Bill D'Sarse says:

    This sounds like a typical copper’s reasoning, “You’ve done it before, so you must be guilty now. You’re nicked. Into the van son. Long way round to the station driver, kicking boots on in the back lads.”

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  22. 38
    Paniagua v5 says:

    ‘Well this is awkward.’

    No it’s fucking not.

    Also this blog is becoming more and more part of the MSM narrative, with all its little ‘suggestions’

    Derren Brown would be proud.

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  23. 40
    The Met says:

    Lessons will be learnt….

    Namely do not get caught.

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  24. 42
    Porky Pies says:

    Andrew Mitchell
    “”I did not, never have and never would call a police officer a “pleb” or a “moron” or use any of the other pejorative descriptions attributed to me.

    Michael Portillo
    “I’d heard him use that word in private conversation, the pleb word I mean.”

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    • 57

      That means nothing. For him to have never used it is almost tantamount to him not knowing what it means.

      Your statements (read in conjunction with your moniker) prove absolutely nothing.

      Yet we know the police lied as we have seen and heard the evidence.

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    • 69
      Casual Observer 4 says:

      Never say never ;-)

      Seriously, who cares. The police are bent and many are in league with p’edo’s.

      That is the real story.

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      • 93
        Your starter for 10 says:

        And don’t forget the police would NEVER sell private info to journalists for a few quid. Totally unthinkable.

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    • 109
      You couldn't make it up says:

      The conversation was, but is no longer ,”private”. With “friends like him” indeed!

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  25. 45
    Deceitful says:

    How sly for Portillo to come out with that one. Utterly spineless.

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  26. 48
    BBC says:

    All I know is we’ve spent more time covering this story than what happened at Mid Staffs hospital trust.

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  27. 50
    Oh Dear. It's gathering attention says:

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  28. 51
    HJ says:

    But Michael Portillo clearly said that he didn’t hear Mitchell ‘using it in that context”, i.e. calling someone a ‘pleb’.

    So what is your point, Guido?

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  29. 52
    Vote UKIP - don't get owned says:

    It’s a good job we have freedom of speech in this country. Imagine if we couldn’t use certain words like pleb and couldn’t say what we think about things like Islam, immigration, homosexuality,etc. Oh hang on.

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    • 58
      Mustafa Shite says:

      What is your problem?

      I am my brothers can say what we like about …

      Poppy day poppies
      Dead soldiers being returned home
      Anything we goddamn please (PBUH)

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  30. 55
    Dr Stephen Hawkins says:

    Here is my theory, it’s a bit wild…

    1. MP’s are liars
    2. Plod are liars
    3. MP’s are wankers
    4. Plod are wankers

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  31. 56
    Great British Railway Bores says:

    “I heard him use that word once, in private not in that context”.

    OK

    MP to Andrew Mitchell : “Did you call that policeman a pleb, Andrew?”

    AM : “No, I did not use the word ‘pleb'”

    There, that’s how you heard him use the word, in private and not in that context.

    FFS is the best the lefties and the BBC can come up with?

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  32. 59
    Ex says:

    The Police come out worse from this than Mitchell.
    From the lazy fucker who couldn’t be bothered to open a gate to the snivelling little tell tail who had a whinge and worse of all the fed reps who lied to defend this lazy little snitch.

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  33. 61
    Effing disgraceful says:

    ‘I use a Go-Pro camera to snoop on my daughter in her bedroom to make sure she’s studying,’ admits Gordon Ramsay (and he got his son to set it up)

    1. She’s 15 !!!!

    2. The put cameras into The Commons, but they still don’t do any work.

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  34. 62
    Long John Silver's parrot says:

    WARNING: before reading this post the reader is made aware that the writer reserves all proprietary and third party rights howsoever arising within this post to himself.

    This is not the first time this story had been recounted.

    I heard it on TV before Mr Mitchell chose to resign.

    Lets move on.

    What news on this photos of Ms Del Piero?

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  35. 65
    MartinW says:

    Portillo is pretty despicable, isn’t he? He says he ‘thinks’ he remembers Andrew Mitchell saying ‘pleb’, and again when Neil questions him, he averts his eyes and looks up at the ceiling. In doing so, it seems to me that Portillo knows he is uttering a falsehood. If Portillo is not sure (and he clearly is not), then he should say nothing. This is a classic smear.

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  36. 67
    Anonymous says:

    I once saw a man eating fish .

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  37. 73
    Hannibal from Carthage says:

    Personally I have always found Mr Mitchell a sanctimonious arrogant annoying privately educated jumped up little patrician turd.

    I know it is not very polite to talk in this manner but at least I am prepared to let you all know exactly what I think without either fear or favour.

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    • 98
      Mobile relief environment says:

      .. and the Registrar seems to have mis-spelled his name on the borth certificate.

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      • 101
        Mobile relief environment says:

        *birth [appeared in the wrong place and referred to the train loving fellow on the sofa]

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    • 110
      You couldn't make it up says:

      Does that mean he can be fitted up ? Thank you for your reasoned contribution to the debate.

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      • 117
        Anonymous says:

        The worrying thing is how the armed Plod seem to frame Andrew Mitchel so effortlessly.Leak to papers, get a mate 60 miles away ,to email his MP (Co indidentaly, also deputy chief whip) order T shirts and cuff links. Wheel out assorted Police federation reps to pontificate on subject, lying when necessary. This would have been too far fetched for The Thick of it !

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    • 112
      Anonymous says:

      —–and your point is ?

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    • 134
      Anonymous says:

      Funnily enough Han. thats what they all say about you as well.

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  38. 99
    Displaced Brummie says:

    But by their dissembling, their mendacious behaviour, their lying, their conspiracy with officers from other forces to disseminate lies, their campaign to destroy the career of a government minister, they have proven to the world that they really are nothing but plebs!>

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  39. 102
    Casual Observer 4 says:

    @SC: South Ferry Harbour

    Not so much society crumbling, but trip to NYC will reveal lots of iron work covering holes in the road where various projects are in a state of limbo due to funding.

    Generally: One problem the US does have is that it has not been paying its maintenance costs properly for about 20 years. This is beginning to show now. Main cause is corruption at local level and expansion of DoD budget.

    To ‘fix’ this problem: i) It is strictly not necessary for non critical infrastructure, ii) It may not be a wise use of resources. This will be the thinking.

    The terminal and repairs after Sandy: The scale of devastation was immense. That NYC continued afterwards is impressive, but a lot of damage remains. It will be a few more years before all is repaired.

    Here you can see a simple limitation of what is possible over time, rather than failure. The damage at South Ferry is a warning: High tech which is needed to run that facility does not mix well with sea water, and the facility is totally dependent on the tech.

    Irony is, it was probably nuke proof, but not water proof :-)

    As one can see by looking at NYC, it is not critical for functioning of city. So priority has been rightly reduced in fixing it. My point above on tech dependency / water proofing may be a factor also. Several lessons will have been learned, and it is probably being redesigned from scratch as a result.

    Wouldn’t be too pessimistic. One thing that has changed is the propaganda before of US being able to fix things quickly and do the superhuman is now exposed as false. But that should have been made clear by Katr!na.

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  40. 103
    Swivelly says:

    Slow day on the news front then.

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  41. 113
    Displaced Brummie says:

    MP says: “He might have said it. Possibly.”

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  42. 121
    Blodwen says:

    Poor Portillo. I guess having to share the sofa with a racist tub of lard distracted him somewhat!

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  43. 125
    Tony Bloke says:

    What he says in private to a colleague is not the same as calling someone a pleb to their face.

    Have a trawel through the back pages of this site if you want to see some proper naming calling.

    It seems the police are as soft as shite once they are not able to baton you death.

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  44. 128
    A Maimed Badger says:

    He might have said Phlegm and Millipeed all in the same breath, and has been misquoted

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  45. 129
    Anna says:

    “Well this is awkward.”

    Why is it awkward? Don’t we all use words in private that we wouldn’t within reach of the thought police? For some reason I would never use the term “chav” but I would certainly use “pleb” as a substitute, and quite freqently “moronic”, “retarded”, “cretinous”, especially applied to politicians. But the use is in PRIVATE conversation. I might say to a friend “don’t be so moronic/such a cretin.”, and indeed they might say the same to me… people have disagreements! ” I would never use such terms in public and particularly not toward the people I might feel merited such terms. One does not, after all, mock the afflicted. May I not say in private that I think dear Dave is a cretin? It doesn’t literally mean I think he lacks anything at all between his ears, it’s just a frustrated mode of expression.

    By the time they’ve finished with us, the thought police will have reduced every expression of opinion to anodyne compliance with the prevailing poltical correctness, with dissent a criminal offence. Fortunately I’m probably old enough to die before “All your brains are belong to us.” However I have children & grandchildren and my autumn years are dominated by thoughts of the kind of world they will inherit. It is majorly depressing… they will accept the indocrination because they won’t ever have known anything else. Liberty or freedom will be alien concepts, if they even get to hear about them.

    I don’t just despise the current crop of politicians, I loathe them with all my heart and soul.

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  46. 130

    Conspiracy theory? Did he hear, or perhaps, maybe thought. that he may have heard.
    Really time to lock-up the Plebgate and open Portillogate, innit?

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  47. 139
    Brian says:

    Most people are upset with the American near default and the government shut down but don’t really understand how it happened. I wrote a summary of how the Tea party was born in the white hot crucible of the over the top right wing lies about the Affordable Care Act. See it at brianebaxter.com

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