October 17th, 2013

Plebgate Highlights Useless PCCs

The first big test for an elected Police and Crime Commissioners is not going very well. Plodding Independent Ron Ball from Warwickshire got skewered by Paxman on Newsnight last night, while Labour’s West Midlands PCC Bob Jones was equally useless on yesterday’s Daily Politics:

Perhaps that could be because Jones involved in this up to his neck. Here he is delivering a letter into Mitchell’s office trying to stir up the incident last year:

His note was published by LabourList, before they changed their tune. The Fed loved him…



  1. 1
    Parcel Tape says:

    Dave’s Police Commissars are an own goal. Just like his Leveson Inquisition is.


    • 11
      The reds are Back says:

      The West Midlands Tsar was Skewered on Boulton as well. He’s like red Robbo, Arthur Scargill and Derek Hatton rolled into one.


      • 36
        A warning from the past says:

        “But I will go farther. I declare to you, from the bottom of my heart, that no Socialist system can be established without a political police. Many of those who are advocating Socialism or voting Socialist to-day will be horrified at this idea. That is because they are short-sighted, that is because they do not see where their theories are leading them.” Winston Churchill 1945.



      • 44
        Living in 98.11% white Merseyside says:

        Leave our Degsie out of it!


      • 183
        Just Saying says:

        Wolverhampton Labour City Councillor says it all.
        Jones is seeking protection of and with the West Midland Police and Birmingham City Council, who are exceedingly quiet on this subject.
        But even so what a disgraceful performance from Jones and the usual volte face from Emma Reynolds after the baying of blood from her party and its leader. People will notice Reynolds supported Jones as to his other actions but did not state one word against his obvious disgustingly biased performance.
        Vote Labour get Corruption.


    • 21
      a social reformer says:

      how else would these feckless oafs gain an income that matched their delusion?

      according to alan milburn’s (hilarious) report on ‘access to the professions’ the poor aren’t worth subbing any more – money should be transferred from them to the middling sort – such as the police commissars


      • 113
        Anonymous says:

        Al Millburn, why are we having his opinions foisted on to us again ? i thought he left the Labour Government to spend more time with his family.


        • 128
          Yeah, right.... says:

          Couldn’t feed them without being hooked up to the public money drip once more.

          The political class know no other way to make a living. Now get back to work and pay your taxes, these expenses won’t steal themselves you know.


    • 24
      Brian Otridge says:

      Why not just make County Police accountable to the Met Area/County Council, rather than just one person? At least there is some chance of democratic debate within the County


      • 38
        Big Ben says:

        Err isn’t that what it used to be, quite a few of the old guard became commissars but a few wanna’bes have been elected, the whole idea of the commissars was to emulate the States because Dave and chums didn’t trust the local council representatives.


      • 40
        Man from the street says:

        Now now Brian, nobody posts on Guido’s blog with their real name.
        Just a bit of advice for a fellow Kipper.


        • 147
          Airey Belvoir says:

          My friend Hugh Janus and his girlfriend Norma Stitz never use their real names for understandable reasons.


    • 142
      Fishy says:

      From the political activist Bob Jones’ letter;

      ‘I hope you will join me in publicly condemning Andrew Mitchell’s abuse toward police officers. People across the West Midlands are appalled at the out of touch comments that Andrew Mitchell made. It would be unforgivable if the Conservative candidate for West Midlands Police and Crime Commissioner will not join me in STANDING UP FOR POLICE OFFICERS and condemning his comments.’

      I though it was Jones’ job to stand up for the people of the West Midlands.

      He should resign.


    • 180
      Anonymous says:

      Blame the Labour party not David Cameron :

      Labour put Bob Jones up as a candidate for PCC and then they worked to get their voters out to elect him.

      Now that he’s clearly “gone native” he’s even worse than that Ashton Woman and that really took some doing !


    • 181
      just another hacked off voter says:

      The arrogant twat lost his rag because he wasnt allowed to ride his bicycle through the double gates,
      what followed is nobodies fault but his own and whats with the refusal to reveal what he said and I add this in pity, what a fucking idiot.


  2. 2
    What about Gordon? Isn't he Gordon's boy too? says:


    • 5
      PC Savage says:

      Hard to form a ‘fatherly’ bond with a turkey baster


    • 15
      Gordon Wept says:

      I could have sworn Gordon told Brian Leveson that he wanted his children kept out of the public limelight.


    • 16
      Times are not changing just the depth of corruption says:

      His dad’s damage to the rest of the country is slowly receding into memory but won’t be forgotten, I thought he was still an MP for some Scottish craphole, if he had to clock in the HOC to get paid, he would be owing money to the country, nice to know he has his constituents in his mind all the time.


      • 23
        Toxic Labour scum trashed my Country says:

        Not damage but total destruction. If these vile Socialists get into power again we are finished.


        • 29
          Labour says:

          Roll on 2015


        • 45
          Big Ben says:

          I assume if Liebore get in, you will just pack your bags and go abroad, say the USoA, Canada or Australia.


        • 83
          Vote UKIP says:

          We’ve got Socialists in now. It’s Dave and his incompetent spendthrift mates.


        • 123
          Jack Ketch says:

          They are in power. They may nor be in office, but they are in power–check out who is running the quangos, watch the BBC (well, put up with it), Sky or Ch4. See the antics of the police, the unions, the “health workers”, university professors and so on.


    • 17
      Steve Miliband says:

      Thought they were keen to keep family out of the limelight? (unless politically advantageous obvs)


    • 48
      Big Ben says:

      Congratulations to the little lad, managed 11 years inspite of ……….


    • 149
      Wee Boaby says:

      A Nokia repair kit is not much of birthday present.


  3. 3
    PC Savage says:

    Nice money though


  4. 4
    Praguetory says:

    Bob Jones – a most dishonest politician. Party before voters every time.


  5. 6
    Labour smear tactics says:

    Cameron should demand an apology from Miliwank who totally went against the presumption of innocence by standing up in the House last year and saying Mitchell called the officer a pleb before an investigation had even taken place.


  6. 7
    Centre Parting says:

    Adam Boulton nailed him too yesterday.

    I thought that these overpaid Commissioners were supposed to represent the public not the filth.

    ( Ron Ball hasn’t always been independent)


  7. 8
    Owen Jones says:

    Guido Fawkes announcing his retirement from right wing political blogging is like a non smoker quitting smoking.


    • 66
      Sir William Waid says:

      I thought I understood similes but I can’t make head or tail of that one.

      Does it assert that Guido has never been a right-wing political blogger? If so, why?


  8. 10
    Johan says:

    Well, at least Ron Ball is loving it so far…


  9. 12
    Ghosts of Duggan and De Menezes says:

    We’re real glad the politicians and media are still obsessing about plebgate. It’s so much more important than plod killing people on the streets.


    • 14
      Spirit of Tomlinson says:

      Yep. I totally agree with you guys.


      • 119
        Anonymous says:

        To be fair Mitchell hasnt got a record as long as your arm and neither is he in illegal immigrant.


        • 175
          toadmeister says:

          Mitchell isn’t out of the woods yet. They’re apparently lining up a charge of obstructing the Police in the course of their duty.

          Quite right. If everyone taped such conversations without telling them first, where would we be? He’ll be in the back of a cell before you can say ‘fit up’.


  10. 13
    It's About the Bennies Stupid says:

    Never mind this shit, get claiming your ‘bennies’! Work really isn’t working!



    • 18
      Watch the full programme on 5's online catch-up says:


      • 27
        Steve Miliband says:

        Think his brain has been disabled


        • 73
          REALWORLDER says:

          I know a 60 year old with 2 knee replacements who gets up at 5: 30 to do a cleaning job each morning, who pays his own rent and bills . What is it with that bone idle little scumbag that makes him thing the rest of us owe hims living?


        • 148
          Airey Belvoir says:

          A nice moment near the beginning of the clip when he drops a piece of paper, starts to bend down to pick it up, notices the camera and quickly straightens up again.


      • 174
        bob says:

        Educated under a Labour Government, I presume?


    • 20
      Wayne and Waynetta says:

      Work is what immigrants are for — well, some of them that is.


      • 49
        Open borders and a welfare state = social destruction says:

        Quite right except that err, 75% and 50% of musIim women and men respectively, have never worked and live entirely on state benefits.

        There are over 600,000 EU nationals who are resident in the UK and claiming full benefits also, who have not paid a penny into the system.


  11. 19

    They are not Dixon of Dock Green, let’s face it.


  12. 25
    Vote UKIP - don't get owned says:

    We should count ourselves lucky we don’t have routinely armed police on our streets as they have in America.


    • 140
      Anonymous says:

      Why? Think of how much would be saved by not having to house and feeding certain types for years on end.


    • 143
      ? says:

      Why? Think how much could be saved if we did not have to house and feed violent scum. A number of countries I have visited shoot first and ask questions after – especially if somebody is acting violently with an armed weapon.


  13. 26
    Harbottle says:

    What a pair of plonkers!


  14. 28
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    Another nasty piece of work, why am I not surprised?.


  15. 30
    Marine Le Pen says:

    EU will collapse like the Soviet Union.


  16. 31
    The Duke of Hazard says:

    Roscoe P Coltrane and his nephew Anus would make better PCC’s than the wankers I’ve seen.


  17. 32
    Anonymous says:

    Anyone see the picture of Sally bercow in the metro this morning with her drunken mate showing her knickers. I just can’t believe that one of the most historical institutions in the land is being demeaned further by that utter piece of common trash.


  18. 33
    Scargill says:

    Conservative ministers and the Police fighting like rats in a sack.
    It’s a win win situation.


  19. 34
    Anonymous says:

    The very best thing that can be done for the poor, sick and disabled is an early general election and get this hideous overrated under-talented incompetent Tory mongrel government and their Lib Dem poodles out.


    • 41
      Socialists thrive on having plenty of poor people says:

      60 years of the welfare state and comp schools and all Britain’s got to show for it is the sickest thickest fuckers in the developed world.
      Yes let’s re enforce failure shall we?


    • 78
      Lord Marchmain says:

      Your faith in power of a single GE is touching. As is your desire to keep repeating a failed policy in the hope that this time it will work.


    • 168
      Anonymous says:

      Im happy to say you are talking cobras.Look at the latest polls Ha–HaHa–Hahaha


  20. 35
    Bob Jones Exists says:

    Bob Jones

    Bob Jones is like a character dreamed up by a comedy sketch writing team. The ultimate rabid socialist lefty who has the IQ of a slug. But in this case Bob Jones is real.


  21. 42
    a non says:

    After the departure of G.o.D wasn’t Heywood the present Cabinet Secretary also a willing ‘Nanny State’ participant in this travesty of justice?


  22. 46
    Stanley Baldwin says:

    ‘The Conservatives can’t talk of class war. They started it.”


  23. 47
    Gary Raige says:

    It’s sickening Labour are in this up to their waists after they tried to play the class card. One mention of Tory and pleb was enough to make them loses their senses and play dirty. It’s disgusting.


  24. 51
    Quotes by Mrs T says:

    I have a genuine, sincere question for posters here. I often read incredibly sexist, sometimes outright misogynist comments here, and at the same time there’s unqualified admiration and adulation of Mrs Thatcher. I was recently reading up on some of her famous quotes, some of them witty, some of them profound, all generally very interesting. But they also included quotes which, had they been said by any other woman, would’ve been mercilessly mocked and crucified by commenters here as “typical feminist bollocks by wimmin”. So I’d like to post some of these quotes by Mrs T and ask for your opinions on them. How does it sit with your otherwise sexist attitudes?

    If you want something said, ask a man; if you want something done, ask a woman.

    It may be the cock that crows, but it is the hen that lays the eggs.

    I’ve got a woman’s ability to stick to a job and get on with it when everyone else walks off and leaves it.

    One of the things being in politics has taught me is that men are not a reasoned or reasonable sex.


    • 57
      Living in 98.11% white Merseyside says:

      “Everybody needs a Willie”!


    • 59
      An answer says:

      You know how you can put square pegs in round holes when it comes to balancing women’s rights with that of Muslims.
      It kind of works the same with us.


    • 71
      illogical says:

      You should never judge a book by it’s cover- or a blog and it’s wide range of participants , both left and right by it’s title.


    • 84
      Sexist Socialist says:

      The left couldn’t handle the fact Thatcher was a women at all that is why they often portrayed her wearing a suit.


      • 137
        Anonymous says:

        Just think the closest they have to a woman minister is mr Harman


        • 177
          toadmeister says:

          You mean ‘Racist Jack?’

          He was leading the charge on the Grunwick Picket Lines years ago. In some interview he said of Eddy Shah, boss of Grunwick: ‘His names not Eddy. It’s Selim’. Said with a sneer that tells you all you need to know about anyone called Selim!


      • 144
        John Bellingham says:

        It may seem odd now to anyone under seventy, but Margaret Thatcher was quite fancied by many men in her time, including Reagan, Mitterand and Gorby. I have never heard of anyone heaving a sigh over Harriet, Jackboots, Beckett or old hatchet-face. Shirley Williams and Babara Castle are reported to have more socialist pricks than second hand pincushions and were the very few members of the Labour Party who did actually share what they had with the largest number of people possible–but, they are just reports and it is all so long ago. Mrs’s T won peopel over by her force of personality and ( so they say) her charm. Nothing charming about the women in politics in the 1990s and oughties.


  25. 52
    Sell Out says:


  26. 58
    Dave"The One Term Prime Minister" Cameron says:

    According to sex surveys most women only achieve orgasm if they concentrate very hard…

    Which explains why most women rarely reach orgasm.


  27. 62
    Owen Jones says:

    Breaking: British Gas puts energy prices up by 9.2%”

    Call a General Election now and boot out the Conservative led coalition.


    • 72
      Gordon Brown says:

      That’s fuck all.The cost of putting a roof over your head went up 300% when I was at the treasury.


    • 75
      All gas and gaitors says:

      The Colombian drugs cartel are beginners compared to the UK energy cartel.


    • 76
      Owen Jones's mum says:

      Owen, what is this subscription to ‘Men’s World’ ??


    • 77
      Dave"The One Term Prime Minister" Cameron says:

      We recognise that energy bills are a real worry for hard-pressed households, particularly at a time when the cost of living is rising faster than incomes. It has been a difficult decision therefore to announce an average increase of 9.2% in household energy prices – 8.4% on gas and 10.4% on electricity – from 23 November 2013

      That’s clinched my defeat in 2015 then,at long last.


      • 91
        Sir William Waid says:

        No Government should ever assume responsibility for managing gas prices, because they can’t. Nor should they plot to increase the price of gas by overt taxes, i.e. VAT, and hidden levies.


    • 86
      Ed Miliband says:

      Fantastic news! It clearly demonstrates how agile British industrial giants really are, pre-empting my promise to fix prices when I have my greasy little mits on power!


    • 87
      Quiet Bat Person says:

      Breaking: Walnuts & loose peanuts up by 11.2%.

      Call a General Election now and don’t vote Labour.

      BTW Owen, Labour, 17 years in power, totally failed to address the looming and predictable energy production crisis that will soon hit the UK. The present Government has been shit too, but it takes many years of planning to build new generation capacity.


    • 101
      Bring it on says:

      13 years of Brown and Liebour and we are back 60years because the tosser forgot by painting the country green he would have to get rid of coal and oil generation of power while he pulls in millions of immigrants, like a snake he slid around and got out off all the nasties and passed them over to some rich and some slime’s who’s only thought is themselves, the money spent by these politicians on nothing must amount to billions of £s in waste opportunities.


  28. 65
    Antipo-dean says:

    How does that LabourList post square with libel law, exactly? Damaging? Check. Untrue? Check. Published? Check. What’s left?


  29. 68
    tigerowl says:

    Plebgate. Non storey and getting more boring by the minute, NO ONE DIED. Tittle tattle with no real public concern.
    British Gas put their prices up. That IS the issue of the day.
    Typical politics. Trivia rules.


    • 81
      Sal E Bercow's love tunnel says:

      Read the banner, bollock brain


    • 129
      Anonymous says:

      Tigerowl—— , Lets hope the plod fit you up next and you lose your job, then we can all have a good laugh.I hope you arent old enough to vote.


    • 178
      the truth says:

      The police lied and lied to frame an innocent man and lose him his job/vilification in the media, whilst furthering a sinister socialist agenda. Of course this isn’t important at all.


  30. 68
    Cam the Sham says:

    And of course who idea was it for hese ridiculous Police Commissioners ? Dave the twit strikes again. Vote UKIP


    • 93
      RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

      I will !


    • 112
      REALWORLDER says:

      What use is policeman who is so supersensitive that he’s upset by being referred to as a pleb ?
      No doubt he would have broken down in floods of tears if confronted by a real criminal,seeking counselling and sick leave.
      These are the same ones we see strutting around armed to the teeth in their robbocop uniforms, what a pathetic useless gang of poseurs,sack the lot of them and bring in people who have a backbone.


      • 132
        Anonymous says:

        Exactly, the delicate flowers who were so traumatised by Andrew Mitchel are ARMED diplomatic protection officers, as was the one who Emailed claiming to be a member of the public! WTF is Bernard up to ? this whole case is disgraceful.


  31. 70
  32. 74
    I can't find my sunglasses says:

    If I turned up at the Offices of one of these Crime Commissioners would I be able to inspect the payroll and expenses records?


    • 90
      PCC's are a waste of feckin money says:

      If you turned up at the offices of a PCC you would probably find it in the middle of a very expensive re furb.


  33. 85
    M103 says:

    Old Bailey in just 12 days time! Monday 28th October.

    I’m thinking of camping out on the pavement on the Saturday, with a Thermos and some sarnies so I’m near the front of the queue.


  34. 89
    R dodger says:

    What a pair of prize pillocks


  35. 92
    Ed Dafty, LimpDim MP, Climate Change Chieftain says:



    • 102
      WE are All paying for the LibLabCon Carbon bogeyman tax says:

      So as electricity is going up more than the gas. the LibLabCon carbon scam must be the reason. And if so much electricity was not generated by cheapo coal which is soon to become expensive coal when the full carbon taxes are slapped on, the rise would have been much greater.


    • 106
      An energy policy off the top of my head in 30 seconds says:

      1. Get rid of the green tariff
      2. Open up the market (British companies get first nod)
      3. Pump that shale gas out
      4. Open up private coal mining
      5. Clean capture and storage for power stations
      6. Make plans for sevreal more nuclear power stations


  36. 94
    Quotes by Mrs T says:

    Favourite quotes by Mrs T:

    The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples’ money.

    If my critics saw me walking over the Thames they would say it was because I couldn’t swim.

    To cure the British disease with socialism was like trying to cure leukaemia with leeches.


  37. 95
    M103 says:

    Bite down hard, Dave.
    Becks and Coulson’s testimony can’t be far off now.


    • 103
      The only way is A-sex says:

      Ah that’s right! The trail of two of the Prime Ministers closest friends is coming up isn’t it!

      Going to be interesting what else we learn about his relationship with the Brookes and their patron, protector and leigelord Rupert Murdoch. I really really hope Gove gets dragged in the shit too


  38. 97
    Tony Blair says:

    What is important is!!!!!


  39. 100

    Teachers strike.

    Postal workers strike after getting free shares.

    Police tell barefaced lies whilst evidence in plain view.

    Behold the true face of public service.


    • 104
      Andy Burnham says:

      Nurses delegate nursing to Skivvies.


      • 136
        Anonymous says:

        Well, they have so much useless paperwork to do they cant be expected to nurse as well.


        • 170
          Anonymous says:

          The latest thing is “intentional rounding”the nurses (regardless of whatever else is kicking off on the ward)have to go around every patient HOURLY and ask them a list of questions eg, do you want the toilet, a drink, painkillers, or have you still got your 1)hearing aid 2) false teeth 3) walking stick .Is the bed area tidy, has the patient got his call bell etc etc . No extra staff have been provided for this farce strangely enough.


    • 118
      REALWORLDER says:

      What kind of economic illiterate gets awarded free shares in a company, then goes on strike in order to damage it? What a bunch of braindead mugs!!


  40. 105
    Round the Bend says:

    Jones wiki entry is revealing. This guy sat on senior appointments board for the police. No wonder we have so many Labour placemen in this country.


  41. 109

    The police tried to use our children against me, to keep me from naming and shaming offending officers. My PCC, and my Tory MP, won’t help me expose a glaring discrepancy in the duty of care’ argument.

    Of course Police & Crime Commissioners are a joke.


  42. 110
    Lib Dem Hater says:

    Why is everyone thinking that Mitchell is telling the truth and the police officers are lying. It is possible that Mitchell is the liar and the police are telling the truth.
    Just because Mitchell was the Chief Whip does not make him a paragon of virtue, I always used to vote Conservative but the lst time I voted Conservative was when Ted Heath was Prime Minister. I could not stomach Thatcher and I have never voted for Labour or Lib Dem. I am convinced that Party Leaders are getting worse and worse.


    • 120
      The Critic says:

      I think you will find Mitchell recorded the interview with the police. Their report contained a different version of events.


      • 138
        Anonymous says:

        LIBDEM.Havent you been keeping abreast of the case.In addition to The Critcs correct comments.There is no CCTV footage to corroborate the comments in the P/C`s notebooks, and there was nobody outside watching proceedings which a separate P/C (claiming to be a member of the public) said in an Email to his MP—– OK ?


        • 162
          Anonymous says:

          I think you will find the main witness provided by the plod who was a plod himself was 60 miles away at the time but still saw everything and was shocked and distressed as a result of witnessing said altercation

          You don’t have to be fecking Poirot to figure out Plod lied, the BBC jumped on the bandwagon along with every leftie in the country

          Soooooo feck off


    • 146
      John Bellingham says:

      Of course Mitchell is telling the truth. He went to Rugby school, he would have called them Proles or Peasants, not Plebs.


    • 173
      Bluto says:

      Straight from the Labour Party HQ monitoring and rebuttal unit.

      “the lst time I voted Conservative was when Ted Heath was Prime Minister. I could not stomach Thatcher and I have never voted for Labour or Lib Dem.”

      Yeah, right. Pull the other one.


  43. 114
    Radio Bollocks says:

    What on earth is wrong with a nice bit of crotch?


  44. 116
    Bluto says:

    In that interview Ron Ball comes across as fourth rate.

    “I’m loving the job”

    “I’ve managed to keep out of trouble so far”

    Inspiring stuff – not. However did a mediocre non-entity like that get elected?


    • 121
      RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

      Beats me.


    • 127
      PDubya says:

      I suspect he was a labour candidate in a constituency where voting Labour, however appalllingly the constituency has been run, is imbibed with their mother’s milk.


    • 131
      REALWORLDER says:

      Ron Ball remember the name.
      NEVER in the history of television interviews has anyone come over with such mind numbing mediocrity. It would be interesting to know just how many voters actually turned out.
      Who had even heard of him what makes him believe he has any qualification whatsoever to hold any public office ?
      Another of ‘Call me Dave’s” great ideas biting him on the arse!You couldn’t make it up.


    • 152
      John Bellingham says:

      A 12% turnout helped. He won 66% of a 12% turnout after transferred votes. Actually only 6.65% of the West Midlands electorate voted for him.


  45. 134
  46. 150
    danny nolan says:

    Poor Wavy,
    imagined that with his PCCs he’d get Abraham Lincoln, or at worst Commissioner Gordon, overseeing Plod.

    As predicted by anyone with half a brain what he got was bog-standard useless pig-thick twats with ‘immaculate’ public sector CVs, f.all experience of the real world, who (rightly) see the PCC role as another seat on the gravy train.

    Wavy really is useless. And worse, lazy.


  47. 153

    Here we go with, ‘onesty and hintegrity, these delightful words being dished out and passed around until they lose their meaning. These two Police and Crime Commissioners ended up looking like Police and Grime Clowns! How on earth did they convince anybody to vote for them? Time to lock and shut up the Plebgate and throw the key into the Thames.


  48. 158
    Gaye Mann (Mrs) says:

    As soon as saw Jones’ beard I knew he was hopeless.


  49. 165
    Julian the Wonderhorse says:

    Maybe politicians are just starting to wake up to what the public have known for years about the police.

    And maybe this will stop the usual fawning “the police are wonderful, blah, blah, blah, do a wonderful, difficult job, blah, blah, blah”


  50. 167
    PCC me in my room later says:

    Tell you what, there are some hideously fat and badly dressed people working in that corridor where the West Midlands bloke on the Daily Politics was sitting.

    And whose idea was it they would all wander aimlessly about during the interview , including apparently visiting the ladies’ loo?


  51. 179
    nick says:

    Too many crooked cops (most of them), too many crooked MPs (most of them) and the useless Labour Party.This country is well screwed and then theres the Union burks with their leader Ed.


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