October 15th, 2013

Pleb-gate: Episode 24

The Pleb-gate saga takes another turn today with the IPCC finally weighing in on that meeting between Mitchell and his local Police Federation. Deborah Glass, the deputy chair of the IPCC

“The investigation by West Mercia Police concluded that although the Police Federation undoubtedly contributed to the pressure on Mr Mitchell and his decision to resign, none of the officers had a case to answer for misconduct or gross misconduct. The investigating officer concluded that while the federation representatives’ comments to the media could be viewed as ambiguous or misleading, there was no deliberate intention to lie. I disagree. In my view, the evidence is such that a panel should determine whether the three officers gave a false account of the meeting in a deliberate attempt to support their MPS colleague and discredit Mr Mitchell, in pursuit of a wider agenda. In my opinion the evidence indicates an issue of honesty and integrity, not merely naïve or poor professional judgment.”

A full transcript of the meeting has been published here.

Interestingly Mitchell has not made an official complaint and West Mercia Police still say there is “insufficient evidence” to punish those officers involved.

It rumbles on…


176 Comments

  1. 1
    • 4
      Police. Police . Police. On the floor NOW says:

      They should have shot him. Killed the story dead.

    • 15
      Political Plod, 999, Letbs Avenue, Londonistan says:

      Political Plod

      courtesy of Labour, Common Purpose and The Milibands who hate Britain.

      • 50
        Aardvark says:

        Its a bit Stalinistic isn’t it.

        Running dog capitalist brought down by the brave soldiers of a new Marxist tomorrow.

        What’s next?

        A show trial where he’s forced to admit he’s a spy?

    • 16
      Don't make sense to I says:

      How come the scroat PCSO who wanders around town can record everything on camera and sound, while the armed diplomatic protection squad in Downing Street rely on hearsay?

    • 78
      Big Ben says:

      If Mitchell had come out with what he did say to Mr Plod, then all this speculation of what he said or didn’t say, would not be around or was it really profane and derogatory and Mitchell dare not say what he DID say, unless he genuinely cannot remember for various reasons, I will not say what, but Guido did mention something.

      • 119
        Anonymous says:

        If you didn’t say what you have been accused of saying, why not say what you did say?

        I don’t think so!

      • 133
        Anonymous says:

        To be honest, if Police officers have the vapours over a few rude words they are in the wrong job.

        • 139
          you there says:

          To be honest, the Police on the ground did not have the vapours. They recorded for their own protection the rant of an MP. Who did what with that record may have had the vapours. Also it is interesting to note that the whole focus is now in the police federation meeting and the media statements by them. Where is the `who said what at the time bit`. Lost in the hate fest towards the federation. It stinks even more than it did.

          • Anon says:

            It’s pretty clear that Mitchell was set-up. The investigation by Michael Crick was pretty conclusive.

            I’m staggered (and more than a little worried) that no one in the Police has been punished for this.

          • Anonymous says:

            We also have a member of the Diplomatic protection squad (God help us if this lot are an example) e mailing his MP masquerading as a member of the public and saying he and his nephew were visibly shocked by the altercation. To be honest the Police federation come out of this very badly, whose bright idea were the T shirts and cufflinks ?

    • 89
      Big Ben says:

      Just a thought, you would have thought there were microphones all over the place in Downing Street, so why weren’t they being used or monitored?

    • 93
      Crime Watch says:

      the cops probably had a grudge. Opening the gates for some toff when they could be in the Algarve checking out the Tapas bars.

    • 122
      Zlyth says:

      Ken MacKail was quick to call Mitchell to resign. Maybe he should be considering his position!

      • 129
        Anonymous says:

        Yes, and he has still got loads of Tshirts to shift as well.

      • 167
        Lord Duckhouse of Pondlife says:

        He should have his position considered for him. What he said outside that meeting bore no resemblance to what actually took place – just as well AM took the advice he was given and recorded it.

  2. 2
    Confused of North Taunton says:

    Who is saying what and what does MPS stand for?

    • 24
      Mitch says:

      It seems faily obvious that Mitchell did mouth-off (but not as bad as is claimed) and that the police have ‘sexed’ up their reports and got a couple of mates to back them up, who may not have actually been there.

      I’ve lost interest tbh.

      • 130
        Anonymous says:

        Well, the one who wrote to his MP saying tourists were visibly shocked obviously wasnt there, as shown on CCTV.Do the Met think it will just go away ? Bernard seems next to useless.

      • 174
        Bradley Wiggins says:

        Mitchell is a jumped up prick with an exagerrated opinion of himself. Open double gates to let a cyclist out who could use the side gate without any fuss?
        Who or what the hell does he think he is? Remember his past escapades in Government. Wants serious investigation this one.

    • 26
      Mr & Mrs Lard says:

      MPS:Metropolitan Police Service

    • 46
      LB says:

      They are in real problems.

      1. They fitted Mitchel up. Nothing unusual there, not doubt the do it all the time.
      2. They got caught.

      Oh dear. What can they do?

      Confess to fitting up a minister of the crown? Major PR problem. Major problem for the boss who said that they didn’t lie etc. He would have to go. Then there is public trust issue.

      Then there are the back cases. Imagine you were done on the basis of the word of one of the cops involved. What’s your lawyer going to suggest? Yep, retrial, because my client was done on the basis of a liar who fits people up. Irrespective of true guilt or not, you either get innocent people acquited, but also guilty people acquited.

      Then every defence lawyer worth their pay brings it up repeatedly.

  3. 3
    St Ockwell says:

    Mitchell is lucky the Police didn’t wrestle him to the ground and fire seven bullets into his head at point blank range

  4. 5
    Joe Public says:

    So does this indicate that the Police are institutional corrupt ?

    If the police do not discipline the Officers that performed the review that found there was no case to answer – then in my opinion this is a clear indication that the Police are institutional corrupt!

    The police need to get there own house in order.

    • 35
      You probably hate me for saying it but says:

      Dare I say there should have been their?

    • 38
      Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:

      There is ‘insufficient evidence to punish those officers involved.’ So the Grand Master is involved then, the same line was used in my case when there was also ‘insufficient evidence’ in my sexually assaulting a vulnerable constituent. Boaz Grand Master.

    • 51
      Anonymous says:

      The elected representatives need to get the police in order.

      They created the monstrosity so they need to show how to get it to behave when it is clearly more powerful than them.

      Yes the police are institutionally corrupt. But so are all groups hidden from public scrutiny. If they spent more time with the public they would not get so extreme in their views, and would actually hear real intelligence.

    • 63
      Robert Peel (probably turning in hs grave) says:

      1. The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.
      2. The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon the public approval of police actions.
      3. Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observation of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public.
      4. The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force.
      5. Police seek and preserve public favour not by catering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.
      6. Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice, and warning is found to be insufficient.
      7. Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent upon every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
      8. Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions, and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.
      9. The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.

  5. 6

    If you don’t record every conversation with the police more extended than ‘Sup’, don’t say anything at all.

    • 14
      Casual Observer 4 says:

      ‘No Comment’ and then saying no further is the safest way to communicate if they are asking you a question and you do not have a lawyer present.

    • 57
      Ordinary Joe says:

      Avoid any contact with Plod. Do not assist them in any way.

    • 79
      Man says:

      Or,” are you detaining me”, “am I free to go”
      and the most important, “I do not consent”
      “I do not answer questions” “Am I obliged to
      answer that question” “What crime has been
      committed for you to detain me, am I free to go”

      You are the Master, They are the public Servents

      YOU ask the questions……never get into answering
      their questions

  6. 7
    Orson Cart says:

    Unfortunately for Plod, they did not know Mr. Mitchell recorded his interview with them, proving he DID cooperate and fully explain what was said at the gate. Proof they lied. The whole sorry episode should be renamed Plodgate.

  7. 8
    Realist says:

    And still they persist, the police and media continue to refer to an ‘abduction’ when there is still absolutely NO evidence that an abduction took place. And now Cameron chips in again.
    What a bunch of incompetents, confirmed by Plebgate.

  8. 9
    Displaced Brummie says:

    How can you tell when a West Mercia police officer is lying to you? Their mouths will be open.

    A more mendacious “fit you up sir?” bunch of rogues it would be hard to find.

  9. 10
    Living in 98.11% white Merseyside says:

    Last year’s news – or was it the year before?

  10. 12
    BBC Labour says:

    Look, we don’t really want to report this even though we gave the story blanket coverage when it was hurting the Tories.

    Can it just go away now? The fuss over Stafford has past, we don’t need the cover any more.

    • 145
      Anon says:

      They’re prob too busy covering the news that Unite have been fiddling £2m of taxes…. Actually, I just checked and I can’t see it anywhere on their coverage.

      What a surprise…

  11. 13
    Orson Cart says:

    No.10 also involved in stitching up Mr. Mitchell, they deliberately withheld CCTV evidence of no crowd at the gate etc.

    • 21
      Casual Observer 4 says:

      The civil servants involved most certainly were.

      Dave himself was done up like a kipper by them.

    • 34
      Anonymous says:

      The CCTV evidence that was eventually released, was it released by the FCO??

  12. 19
    a mystery pensioner says:

    I wish that plod would stop trying to fit people up and do some proper arresting of corrupt bastards in public bodies, masons particularly included. thanks

  13. 20
    Labour are rotten to the core says:

    Michael Crick’s investigation revealed it was a total stitch-up. Crooked cops and Labour in cahoots. Let’s not forget Miliwank went against the principle of innocent until proven guilty when he stood up in the house and said Mitchell had called an officer a pleb. He still hasn’t apologised for that slur, which makes me wonder whether there weren’t Labour dirty tricks involved in this whole affair.

    • 32
      Casual Observer 4 says:

      Cr!ck’s report gave that impression, but it did not prove anything.

      The CCTV footage contradicted claims of people outside the gate (in particular the source of the corroborating emails) and overt aggressive conduct by M’itchell. Absent audio you can only infer by apparent timeline and body language.

      The recorded interview which M!tchell had and the contradictory press briefing given by police federation immediately afterwards does prove that the federation lied to the media and supports the case that their motivation was to protect members of the Met rather than brief on what had taken place in the meeting.

      Recall that at least one off duty Met officer sent a dodgy email in to back up a false sequence of events that officers on the gate wrote a police report on.

      It is the pocketbook recording of events which is crucial here as if they have been falsified also then those officers can and should be prosecuted.

      M’itchell is stuffed anyway as the lawyers conveniently missed deadlines on certain paperwork which effectively made it impossible for him to be reappointed.

      The issue is the apparent collusion of police, civil servants, police federation and media against an ex-cabinet minister and the apparent manipulation of the PM himself by civil service staff.

      • 61
        BBC says:

        We had to mention this on the lunchtime news, but by this evening we’ll drop it for ‘cat stuck up tree in East Timor.’

      • 75
        Diane Abbott is fat says:

        The so-called witness later admitted to Crick he didn’t witness anything.

      • 98
        Anonymous says:

        But when you play the CCTV tape, there isn’t enough time for the conversation which the plod recorded in their pocketbooks to have taken place.

    • 104
      National Enquirer says:

      Is there a Youtube of that?

  14. 23
    REALWORLDER says:

    The BBC had a real problem with this one ,the best answer is to draw a line under it , move on ,and ensure that the lessons are learned!

    • 109
      Lord Stansted says:

      The BBC have real problems with most things – Savile, climate, politics, science, class, work, the arts, education, etc., etc., etc.

    • 110
      Man says:

      ….The lessons are never learned, thats why events are
      always repeated, a proper investigation needs to happen
      as to who orchestrated this and bring them to book….

  15. 27
    PDubya says:

    The West Mercia police appear to be bigger liars than the Downing Street Plods.
    Mitchell taped the interview FFS and then the copper outside deliberately lied to the press after agreeing on tape inside that Mitchell gave a full account of what happened.

  16. 28
    REALWORLDER says:

    PLEBS that’s just what they are, lying, cowardly,corrupt, thieving plebs, who have been totally politicised by Blairs gang of spivs !

    • 92
      Socialism is social poison says:

      “But I will go farther. I declare to you, from the bottom of my heart, that no Socialist system can be established without a political police. Many of those who are advocating Socialism or voting Socialist to-day will be horrified at this idea. That is because they are short-sighted, that is because they do not see where their theories are leading them.” Winston Churchill 1945.

  17. 29

    Ms Glass, we can see through her!

  18. 30
    Palab Gauche says:

    The police are supposed to protect the public but here they are, fitting up a member of the government.

    Nobody is safe.

    • 49
      The British Public says:

      I agree. Disband the police and start again.

    • 88
      Man says:

      I disagree, sack the the top brass, promote good honest
      men, we all know in any organisation they exist, and
      get rid of ACPO (a private limited company)

      • 94
        Socialism is social poison says:

        +1

        The rot is coming from the top, thirteen years of putting Labour cronies and stooges in positions of power. That said, Cameron, by failing to root them out, is tacitly supporting the corruption.

        • 151
          Political Plod, 666 Letsbe Ave etc says:

          +1

          The Common Purpose virus needs purging from all our institutions.

  19. 31
    Coming to a public building near you says:

    Girls Threatened With Hate Crime Charges For Complaining About Transgender Bathroom Harassment

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/girls-threatened-with-hate-crime-charges-for-complaining-about-transgender-bathroom-harassment.html

    • 36
      Casual Observer 4 says:

      The US is going full-retard on the PC b’ollocks which has damaged UK culture and society, in particular the LGBT sh!t.

      Could be a good test case here for them.

    • 44
      Dave your Gay Loving P.M. says:

      Memo. I want transgender rights given complete ascendancy under U.K. law immediately. Why should girls have priority over my favourite lady boys?

  20. 33
    a non says:

    If this is Justice and a forerunner of the impending Chilcot Inquiry report it will be final confirmation that as a UK citizen you are totally fcuffed.

  21. 37
    Steve Miliband says:

    Does Alistair Campbell do the PR for the Metropolitan Police Service?

  22. 42
    Ethel. Purley says:

    Well if one of the thug bastards (Simon Harwood) can murder a man (Ian Tomlinson) in the street in full view of millions of viewers can get away with it what chance is there for getting the truth on this matter?

    The thugs in uniform are nothing more than B LIARS minders, and Cameron hasn’t got the balls to rein them in.

    • 56
      Aardvark says:

      He was pushed over and died by accident in the middle of a riot by Marxist thugs.

      Calm down dear and try not to be hysterical.

      • 113
        Jabba Le Chat says:

        +1

      • 116
        Anonymous says:

        Err except the filth lied and said they’d had no contact with Tomlinson whatsoever, and no doubt would have continued to lie until a video from a member of the public proved otherwise.

      • 152
        Political Plod, 666 Letsbe Ave etc says:

        No.

        Plod have since admitted he was hit in the back (i.e. the kidneys) with a truncheon at least once.

    • 59
      court clerk says:

      Are you suggesting here that 12 civilians (the jury) in Harwood’s were somehow complicit in his case?

      idiot

    • 66
      Anonymous says:

      Especially when he was clearly not under any command at the time. Why was he not with anyone else, and why walk off in a different direction to the others.

      Look at the long video, you can catch him by his unusual attire. Why was he dressed so differently?

      • 146
        Anonymous says:

        And when did the police discard their uniforms for the combat gear? They no longer look like the police, they look like any of the other thugs on the street.

        It’s yet another attempt to intimidate Joe Public.

  23. 45
    The British Public says:

    I blame the government.

  24. 48
    Ordinary Joe says:

    The Plods have exactly the same moral standards as our corrupt lying LibLabConner politicians.

  25. 53
    They want you, they want you They want you as a new recruit says:
  26. 54
    David Camer'wrongun says:

    I do love a man in a uniform. Especially when I can see their bobbies helmet.

  27. 55
    Ex says:

    The Downing street coppers are there not just for security but to facilitate the smooth passage of members of government and their staff.
    What happened is some lazy cop couldn’t be arsed to open the gate and Mitchell has had a bit of a whinge.
    The real crime has been some little toad(No doubt a new age PC PC) has gone to the press and made a big deal of it.
    In my day we would have either opened the gate or kept our mouth shut about the whinge hoping our skipper wouldn’t find out.

  28. 62
    Juvenalian Precariat says:

    What’s wrong with calling some one a Pleb?

    We are living in a Plutocracy after all.

  29. 64
    A nincumpoop says:

    I’ve just read the minutes.

    Presumably those three plods will lose their pensions as well?

    • 82
      Anonymous says:

      I do not understand the loss of pensions.

      I understand punishment by law. If it is the case that a court can take away their pension then OK. But who signs up for a conditional pension? Having the ability to trade a pension to avoid punishment is just corrupt in itself.

      Why not just have proper punishment for the crime they commit. That would be a bigger deterrent.

  30. 69
    Dame Diane says:

    I’ve been breathlessly trying to justify the much maligned police on this issue and will continue to do so. Of course our police and the labour partisan BBC and civil service are socialist scum – but that;s what you voted for. You knew Blair was a lying Hunt, that Brown was a financial idiot. You voted for us to turn the world upside down and we achieved WHAT YOU LABOUR VOTING turds wanted.

  31. 73
    The BBC says:

    I see the Clangers are back.

  32. 76
    Pat for Prime Minister says:

    • 126
      Lefty default response gland says:

      WACIST! Daily Mail reader! Little Englander! Populist! Milk snatcher! Etc!

  33. 85
    Laurie Penny says:

    All Tory MP’s are rapists.

  34. 97
    Hunt....The Bottomleys says:

    Just remembered

    In my day they sold useless vending machines. But sold them well!

  35. 100
    Taken to the Cleaners says:

    Cable is just a tad naïve. Asking the bankers to name their price could only have one result.

  36. 105
    The Wheels of Justice turn ever so slowly.. says:

    Why does it take a year for Plod to realise they lied? The evidence was their, and anyone with more that two half dead brain cells could have realised that the tape did not agree with their lying statement.
    We live in dangerous times, when corrupt Police can even fit up Government Ministers.
    This is Treason by any other name.
    Get some balls Cameron, get them to court. Clean up the corrupt practices.
    If Ministers can be jailed about lying over speeding points, what makes this different?
    If anything it is worse, an attempt to bring a Government down.

  37. 106
    Incapable Vince, deputy Chief Cockroach says:

    I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ROYAL MAIL

    • 115
      JH294092340923 says:

      That nearly covers the losses in energy companies directly attributable to Red Ed’s idiotic policy ramblings about freezing prices that he caused to rise with his idiotic watermelon bullshit.

  38. 114
    Yvonne from the Colliers Arms Clydach says:

    What I cannot understand is that if this Mr Mitchell has behaved impeccably as is becoming a Cabinet Minister then what has he apologised for exactly ?

    It gives me no great confidence that this trivial matter cannot be cleared up without all this nonsense.

    It make me wonder why we bother paying taxes.

    • 124
      Mornington Crescent says:

      He apologised for getting a bit irritable with one of the plods on the gate and audibly muttering “I thought you were here to f####ng help us” – it’s on the recording of his meeting with West Mercia plods.

  39. 118
    agendabuster says:

    If the police were “…in pursuit of a wider agenda…”, what was it?

  40. 140
    Genghiz the kahn says:

    Was it only last year that Ed Miliband claimed that Mitchell was toast?

    http://news.sky.com/story/998799/andrew-mitchell-miliband-says-hes-toast

  41. 141
    The Anglo Saxon says:

    Policemen lying, MP’s lying, Heavens above, we will have immigrants lying to us soon, Oh they already are.

    God help us, Whom can you trust these days.

    “Mum, is Dad really my father, Of course he is dear”

  42. 147
    Bonar Law says:

    Deborah Glass is deputy chairwoman of the IPCC, not its “deputy chair”. Cut out the PC language, Guido.

  43. 164
    Bardirect says:

    A point which hasn’t really been articulated is that these 3 “officers” can NEVER be regarded as credible witness in ANY criminal case from now on. Its not usually possible to confront police witnesses with previous wrongdoing error or misfeasance but this is now in the public domain. Their superior officers who have condoned their conduct are now tainted too. And if they do it in such high profile cases what hopes has the ordinary law abiding citizen?

    • 166
      Displaced Brummie says:

      You make a good point. They have char-grilled their goose.

    • 172
      Anon says:

      To be honest it’s made me look at Police statements in other cases in a whole new light. If the police are willing to lie, lie and lie again to set up Mitchell, you have to believe that they wouldn’t think twice if it was you or I.

      • 176
        Mr Weetabix (and NSA) says:

        They wouldn’t think at all. Look at what happened to a middle aged news agent who didn’t move out of the way fast enough.

  44. 165
    Displaced Brummie says:

    Just had a thought. This would not have anything to do with the defacto takeover of West Mercia Police by Warwickshire Police, would it?

    Warwickshire Police officers are already jackbooting their way through West Mercia operations, so it wouldn’t do for their officers to be seen to be attempting to destabilise the elected government, would it?

  45. 169
    I have every confidence in our justice system says:

    Mitchell: What’s all this officer?
    Plod: Think yerself lucky ya not a f^cking Brazilian.


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