October 7th, 2013

Nadine Solicits Votes

Nadine has emailed every Tory MP today in her bid to become Deputy Speaker. It’s quite something:

From: DORRIES, Nadine
Sent: 07 October 2013 14:50
Importance: High

I will be writing personally, however, I am emailing now to ask if you would possibly consider voting for me in the forthcoming Deputy Speaker election and, if you cannot give me your first preference vote, would you consider giving me your second?

The paramount quality for a Deputy Speaker position is impartiality. I don’t think anyone can doubt that I am possibly the most impartial MP in the House of Commons and I do believe I have demonstrated my commitment to fairness via my role as a committee chair on the Speakers Panel.

In terms of my political commitment, I was the only victim of the smear gate emails who could attack Damian McBride, which I did for five consecutive days and nights. The attack culminated in my publicly demanding an apology from Gordon Brown, which I received. Damian McBride left No 10 the same day.

Since the 2009 expenses crisis I have been a known defender of MPs and continue to tackle IPSA on a regular basis.

I have a record of achievement in Parliament that has resulted in the number of late term abortions dropping year on year since my first vote in 2008 and the offer of abortion counselling being included in DOH guidelines following the campaign in 2011. It was always about winning over hearts and minds in the public, not votes in Parliament. If you don’t agree with my position on late term abortion you may see this as a way to shut me up!

In terms of the profile of women within the party, it would certainly be helpful for the party to be seen to elect a working class, northern female. This is an issue David Cameron is very aware of in the lead up to the General Election.

I haven’t agreed a pact with Nigel but would stand down without hesitation should he return, as a matter of decency.

I am obviously not the No 10 candidate, something which in the election of a Deputy Speaker should not exist.

Whichever way you vote, thanks for reading this far and I hope if you feel you can’t vote for me, you would consider giving me your second vote.

Yours with best wishes,


Apparently she is not the Number 10 candidate. Who’da thunk it? Guido’s money is on Burns still…


  1. 1
    McPoison says:

    Smeargate ??

  2. 2
    Orson Cart says:

    Should knock squawker of his perch.

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    M102 says:

    I so would.

  5. 5
    Orson Cart says:

    So does that make her a candidate?

  6. 6
    Charm Offensive Launched says:

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    Nads' Daughters says:

    Can Deputy Speakers employ their Daughters?

  8. 8

    Eye opening insight to I grovel.
    “I” appears 14 times in this ego trip.
    All this to deputise!!

  9. 9
    Anonymous says:

    You must be so desperate.

  10. 10
    Ant and Dec or is it Decandant? says:

    Well at least she wouldn’t go around r@ping everything in trousers. Would she?

  11. 11
    Harridan Harmanhater says:

    They can get their partners into safe Labour seats, so why not ?

  12. 12
    Tell her to take her fat thighs and fuck off says:

    What’s with these stomach churning please give me a job letters.
    Have they no fucking shame?

  13. 13
    Nigel Evans says:

    Why does everyone assume that I am not coming back?

  14. 14
    any old crap says:

    I thought Nads being an MP was her profession so she said on tv, strange how MPs have made something that is supposed to be a public service into a profession, so she is wanting to change her profession to deputy speaker, is that a profession or just another job for her cv

  15. 15
    Lard Pressclott of Beams, Bellies, Banjos, Bulimia, two bog seats, two Jags & Shags. says:

    I’m always available.

  16. 16
    600 plus voices says:

    No. MPs don’t do shame.

  17. 17
    Andrew says:

    Please pass the biggest and most capacious of sick-bags . . .

  18. 18
    Sigmund Freud says:

    Poor grammar, poor taste this “Advertisement for myself”

  19. 19
    cheche says:

    Isnt Tristam Hunt privately educated

  20. 20
    Andy Burnham and Labour are cold-blooded nasty murderers. Fact. says:

    Maybe she’s gagging for a bit of midget-sex.

  21. 21
    Why did Comrade Nicky Campbell's parents abandon him? says:

    Importance: High


  22. 22
    Ooh err says:

  23. 23
    Living in 98.221% white Merseyside says:

    She’ll probably be as bad as Gorbals Mick and Johnny – or even worse!

  24. 24
    Andy Burnham and Labour are cold-blooded nasty murderers. Fact. says:

    “Since the 2009 expenses crisis I have been a known defender of MPs and continue to tackle IPSA on a regular basis.”

    Not much to be proud of, is it? Nadine Dorries, the Troughers’ Friend and Sworn Enemy of the Ever-Crucified Taxpayer.

  25. 25

    Impartial MP? Think she’s partial to a spot of self publicity!

  26. 26
    Can good come out of Scouse Land? says:

    Nads is the only Scouse nurse to go the wrong way down the Liverpool pathway.

  27. 27
    Owen's Remedial English teaacher says:

    ” Importance: High

    “if you would possibly consider
    whether you would consider

    “would you consider giving me your second?”
    whether you would consider …

    > I don’t think anyone can doubt that I am possibly the most impartial MP
    I might be considered the most impartial MP

    > and I do believe I have
    (I believe) I have

    > via my role
    in my role

    I won’t go on or I do believe that most fair-minded Readers shall consider that I could be considered to waffle

  28. 28
    What a plonker. says:

    Yes ,she would not take any crap from the poison dwarf.

  29. 29
    Red Nads says:

    Don’t forget that the Speakers are the MPs’ shop stewards.

  30. 30
    Keep Calm, Vote UKIP says:

    The assistant stole money from the MEP, ultimately from the EU.

    She lied to the MEP about how much money the Euro Paliament had reimbursed him, pocketing the difference.

    Look at hey name: J’asna B’adzak : This is not English.



    She was originally with the Conservative party and hopped over to UKIP.

    The Conservative’s were not quite so naive as to put her in a position of real trust. Certainly not with money.

    She entered the UK as a refugee from Y’ugoslavia.

    Penny beginning to drop ?

    Once people get it through their head that it is not rac!st or wrong, but common sense to perhaps be wary of those from certain backgrounds to be less than honest in their day to day conduct, then the UK may start becoming a better place.

    Vote UKIP.

  31. 31
    Rachel Reeves says:

    I have just received a promotion from shadow bag carrier to shadow bag AND key carrier.
    This promotion will enable me to appear on many, many, many more programs to do with current affairs or numbers of suimmin’ and I will be able to monotone my way through countless interviews in which I will nod and do a little half smile and I’ve even been practicing an inflection..a sort of Aussie one..like the rising one they used to do in neighbours.
    ..well..I’m still practicing but boring old Rebs Reeves will soon be Radient, Raconteur Rebekha-ha-ha..with loads of mildly interesting and slightly amusing tales to shower you with..I have one about when I lost my glasses…and then I found them in a glass…Glasses..glass?…glasses..see?..

    Well I’m still working on it…

  32. 32
    permanent victim says:

    If the lady cannot stomach a few maggots crawling over her during a ‘celebrity’ game she does not deserve to be placed to adjudicate against the rats in parliament.
    Hails from Liverpool. Says it all.

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    Owen's Remedial English teaacher says:


    Also, height is not a quality of importance.

    I suggest the options
    importance: great/moderate/Little

    or, as the senders are MPs
    importance: Little/very Little/none

  34. 34
    Owen's Remedial English teaacher says:

    Or perhaps a “what’s in it for you:” tag
    Money/Prestige/unnatural sex

  35. 35
    The Bleeding Obvious says:

    Nah. Reckon he thought he could get a shag.

  36. 36
    Silly Bercow says:

    If you want to be underneath one of my men, John isn’t the one I’d recommend
    lol ;)

  37. 37
    Mehdhi Hassan says:

    Dear Guido Fawkes,
    As you may know I am a writer and journalist who has a known left wing perspective that I feel could benefit your webpages….Have you ever considered the large section of the population to the left of the centre who you may not be reaching?

    Currently, layabouts, drug addicts, students, teachers, crypto-marxists, shop stewards, asylum seekers, policemen, office clerks and train drivers have to go to the Guardian to find out what to think.
    I believe I could write for you, with a uniquely.. hand held out.. over the top rhetoric..with a shouty, in your face, overblown rhetorical style and a whiny, hysterical, lefty spongers sense of outrage and entitlement.

    Maybe we could arrange a meeting to discuss my ideas?

    Mehdi Hassan
    Lefty for hire.

  38. 38
    Behind you!.... says:

    She deserves to have John Bercow’s job tomorrow. He’s a waste of space and the Snow White panto auditions start very soon..

  39. 39
    Developer says:

    Will These programs be on Nintendo?

  40. 40
    Lancashire hot-pot says:

    You MUST come back.

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    Keep Calm, Vote UKIP says:

    She is a very tall woman who uses her son as an emotional carrot, apparently.

    Also, she was the staffer back in 2010 who was going to write a book on the alleged UKIP corruption and rac!sm:


    Her conviction should destroy credibility of what she is putting in her book she was planning to release before the 2014 Euro elections.

    This is where quite a lot of poison about UKIP has been coming from.

  42. 42
    Public information says:

    Is it true that men with short legs also have a truly huge, huge, huge….ego?

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    This line suggests that this E mail was intended for internal consumption only.

  45. 45
    Gidders says:

    “a working class, northern female” is that correct geedes

  46. 46
    Sir William Waid says:

    Woudn’t it be better to have somebody level-headed to balance the preening monkey who poses as Mr Speaker?

  47. 47
    Newsnight / Grauniad fusion says:


  48. 48
    Kiss me Quick says:

    We would miss your cum!.

  49. 49
    A nincumpoop says:

    A fucking MP and she can’t even compose a letter.


  50. 50
    Mr. & Mrs. Anglo Saxon says:

    Eff Off Nadine

    Not even a snowball’s chance in Heaven

  51. 51
    Mr. & Mrs. Anglo Saxon says:

    Went to the same school as Gorbals Mick.

  52. 52
    Living in 98.221% white Merseyside says:

    So does Edwina.

  53. 53
    Sally says:

    What to feed him bananas?.

  54. 54
    John Bercow says:

    A vote for Nadine is a vote for the future.

  55. 55
    Mr. & Mrs. Anglo Saxon says:

    :) :) :) :) :)

  56. 56
    Nick Cleggo says:

    Nadine, try offering a blow job to all who commit to vote for you.

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    Andy Burnham and Labour are cold-blooded nasty murderers. Fact. says:

    Yep. Interesting wording, “the 2009 expenses crisis

    Most people – normal people – call it a “scandal”.

  58. 58
    The Chief Whip says:

    No the internal one will be much more explicit.

  59. 59
    Mr. & Mrs. Anglo Saxon says:


    yes I am shouting

  60. 60
    Alison dogshite on my shoe says:

    A leeching useless arsewipe!

  61. 61
    A Property Developer says:

    So does Derek “the red” Hatton, todays champagne socialist.

  62. 62
    Man with short legs says:

    Yes. I have trouble with my ego hitting the ground when I walk.

  63. 63
    Casual Observer 3 says:

    O/T, and really for the missing Schrodinger’s Cat.

    Your thoughts.

    Politically Correct thought could be considered in some ways a framework of doublethink. This has been imposed on the masses, the cognitive dissonances filtered out by peer pressure to ensure acceptance and conformance.

    Considering the Schrodinger Cat in a box experiment as being an analog for doublethink, the lifting of Politically Correct thought could be regarded as analogous to opening the box.

    Assuming a many minds interpretation, could this explain why the ‘beliefs’ which the LibLabCon are trying to project are failing wrt the straight facts which are being presented by UKIP ?

    Or, put another way, is the UK really at an important political inflection point in a historical sense, and is the greatest existential danger UKIP pose the fact that for many they have opened the box ?

    Recall that it is UKIP’s alternative to PC which is their greatest appeal, an attraction which is perhaps both as unstoppable and irresistible as the allure of the flame of Liberty itself, to moths previously isolated in a light free box.

    Like to hear your thoughts on this. Apologies for gratuitous symbolism.

  64. 64
    Top Bollox says:

    Not again.

  65. 65
    Politicians suck says:

    Nadine loves soliciting.

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    Mehd1 says:


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    Mersey Foghorn says:

    Always a job for you here if you don’t make it Rach.

  68. 68
    Gadarene fuckpigs of multiplicity says:

    Has Hoban fallen on Ian Duncan Smith’s sword for him? That was nice.

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    Andy Bumhum says:

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    Jimmy says:

    IDS, Hunt Gove Osborne and May Still in Post .

    Well that reshuffle was a complete waste of time then, and not an ounce of contrition shown by this slug of a Prime Minister.

    I suppose we will have to wait for 2015 and we can reshuffle all of them into the nearest skip

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    Sir William Waid says:

    PC is more like duckspeak than doublethink. It involves no thinking rather than the simultaneous maintenance of contradictory thoughts.

    I see UKIP more as Schroedinger’s Dog. Instead of putting up with a cruel and subtle experiment, it barks like mad to be let out of the box.

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    Andy Burnham says:

    You keep calling us champagne socialists. Well, we need champagne for that.

  73. 73
    Hazel in Accounts says:

    I don’t why they need all this IPSA palaver to deal with expense claims. All you need is a smiley lady with a head for figures and a will of iron.

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    The EU AntiUKIP Office says:

    I’m afraid that we just can’t get the staff. Things were coming along nicely, then this blows the plan apart again. Sorry Dave Nick and Ed.

  75. 75
    Sir William Waid says:

    Champagne is a great practical joke played by the French. Nasty thin wine fizzed up like Tango and we mugs pay a fortune or it.

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    Juan Kerr says:

    Biggest non-event since Dave’s speech. Mind you I’m delighted Claire’s now got a whip.

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    stun says:

    It explains a bit why the older generation are attracted to UKIP, as it’s now difficult to know what (we’re) allowed to say any more. Since the party is the only one which actually decries PC – and get themselves in trouble for it – it is gathering support. So even the Bloom episode didn’t really make much difference in the end. I’m fascinated to see that my 27-year old son is a UKIP convert, with little or no influence from me, and many of his friends too, possibly because they’re competing in the jobs market with the East Europeans. He works hard, and gets on OK with his mainly Polish workmates, but can’t help wondering if other Brits could be doing the work. This is going to be the danger for UKIP in the end, that the libertarian agenda could get lost in the EU and immigration meme. Some of the support oop North from ex-Labour voters may be less towards a smaller government, a massively reduced deficit and an independence agenda away from the EU, and more of a stance based entirely on immigration.

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    stun says:

    Apologies for lack of paragraphs. What was I thinking?

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    Aechmophorus says:

    Johnson harangued upon the qualities of different liquors; and spoke with great contempt of claret, as so weak, that “a man would be drowned by it before it made him drunk.” He was persuaded to drink one glass of it, that he might judge, not from recollection, which might be dim, but from immediate sensation. He shook his head, and said, “Poor stuff! No, Sir, claret is the liquor for boys; port, for men; but he who aspires to be a hero (smiling) must drink brandy. In the first place, brandy is most grateful to the palate; and then brandy will do soonest for a man what drinking can do for him. There are, indeed, few who are able to drink brandy. That is a power rather to be wished for than attained.”
    — Boswell, Life of Johnson

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    Casual Observer 3 says:

    Could be part of the reason why scrapbook have been quiet as well.

    They must have been involved up to their neck in part of this, given the nature of the smear material that was to be published.

    C’est la vie.

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    bergen says:

    That remark alone should rule her out as far as the rest of us are concerned. Her opponents are those who try to vet her and their expenses.

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    Aechmophorus says:

    Paragraphs are nor more than a decorative device for dilettanti.

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    Aechmophorus says:

    In what way do you expect him to show contrition? Topping himself would be a big ask, as they say now.

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    Almost the entire UK police force on Portugese Investigation Duty says:

    Ah yes, Port, we are all becoming very knowledgeable about it. It helps to fill in our time out here.

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    Juan Kerr says:

    To me, the closed box is preferable. You do not know what exactly is going on inside but you have the freedom to think and develop theories. The open box is one of “certainty” (the cat is alive or dead). Throughout history, various extreme religious and political groups have been certain they are right, to the detriment of any who disagree or do not fit their ideals. All have caused mayhem before they, inevitably, have failed.

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    Anonymous says:

    I think Cammo is rather more worried about the Lib Dems squeezing themselves into Chloe Smith’s seat if she doesn’t ‘reFOCUS’.

  87. 87
    Dietrich Mateschitz says:

    My cherryade drink is an even greater joke on the world’s public. Only a couple of cents a litre to make, and I sell it by the billions of cans. There’s nothing like marketing, as your PM knows.

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    Trev says:

    Shocking people these Johnny or Jane foregners. Certain backgrounds heh… Yes from Yugoslavia, says it all for a kipper anyway.

    You nasty tosspot.

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    Bloomin Godfrey says:

    How DARE she??! That sort of dishonesty about money is STRICTLY reserved for MEPs alone.

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    Casual Observer 3 says:

    I have just read the wiki entry on doublethink, and would tend towards your analysis on the lack of thinking aspect. But that puts us almost in newspeak territory.

    With Political Correctness the peer pressure exerted is to be part of an abstract team rather than the party or country.

    The real peer pressure comes from within: The person is put in fear of themselves, with a veneer of state enforcement for transgressions.

    That is perhaps the sleight of hand that made PC quite pernicious, and will be a major part of its undoing.

    Desire to gravitate towards a party and country, such as which UKIP have on offer, is much more attractive than continuing to exist in a state of fearful tension about your own thoughts and expression for no good reason.

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    Chris Bryant's flash pants says:

    Or indeed coming front too.

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    Berke Burcow's Burkah says:

    She is always going down in my estimation.

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    broderick crawford says:


    We’ll vote for you if you give us collective fellatio twice a week


    So will we !!

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    Casual Observer 3 says:

    But is existing in an unsettled state of thoughtful tension, of expectation, a dream state of sorts, less preferable to realizing expectations ?

    Being held in the PC trance does have some parallels with childhood, and is an infantile existence. But the child has potential so should not be forced to strive for a realization, however, to deny this to the adult is somewhat oppressive isn’t it ?

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    Burke Burcow's Burkah says:

    At the height of the MPs’ expenses scandal, Mrs Dorries attracted scorn after comparing it to a ‘McCarthyite-style witch-hunt’.

    And she’s the right McCarthy-style witch! But would YOU want to hunt her? Her bessy mate’s hubby apparently did.

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    Fancy that says:

    Spectator 2011: Stella Creasy awarded Parliamentary Campaigner of the Year.
    Spectator headline 2013: No promotion for Stella Greasy.

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    Burke Burcow's Burkah says:

    You’re just a shadowy bag, dearie.

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    Old Blue Eyes says:

    Yes – she comes from a working class Liverpool family. Moreover she worked as a nurse before moving on in life.

  99. 99
    Burke Burcow's Burkah says:

    The shadow cabinet has always been full of ‘Tristan Hunt’s.

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    broderick crawford says:

    Er…nads dearie .. subject line of your email


    we know it ‘s from you poppet ….it says so in the FROM box of the email

    Before you accept this important position d’you not think you might benefit from a basic course in rudimentary email skills dear ??

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    Burke Burcow's Burkah says:

    “A fucking MP”

    Only if you’re blind, drunk , or blind drunk.

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    Anonymous says:

    Delighted that the apostrophe is in the right place.

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    Casual Observer 3 says:

    Well, going back through history, one of them started WWI when he assassinated an Austrian, and in the 90s they went on an ethnic cleansing rampage.

    Would you trust these types with your money ?


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    broderick crawford says:

    Nadine ,

    Outline two –or even one — constructive reason(s) as to WHY the designation on your email merits the Importance classification to be designated as HIGH ….

    … or are you trying to tell us that you yourself were ” high ” when you wrote it ?

  105. 105
    Tony BENN'S will says:

    The hoc is becoming more and more like big brother by the day,she may be offering herself on the basis that the only way to get rid of her is to”buy”her off in some way,like a bad violinist at a restaurant you pay the to go away

  106. 106
    broderick crawford says:

    well if perchance they cannot employ direct descendants then stay married or get married pronto as sons in law are considered in law as non loco parentis and thus just as eligible as a person you may casually commune with in the street on a saturday night in everton .

  107. 107
    Tony BENN'S will says:

    Oh yes and by the way can someone tell me if the post office is being privatised as a result of a European directive or some similar dictat relating to bringing competition into state run enterprises,I read it when Mandlebottom was thinking about privatisation and I think it will also apply to the health service.It ‘just that I cannot rely on the bbc to inform me

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    broderick crawford says:

    god almighty a shag ??


    she looks like a horny handed hgv driver …. unless of course he likes them that way !!

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    EU Watch says:

    Whilst Dave fiddles with his vote losing rabble, the fire continues to burn…

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    reality check says:

    Well whoop-dee-fucking-doo! A scouser scum, who has the added benefit of having administered death on the state at the NHS – does she have any other sparkling plus points?

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    Juan Kerr says:

    The closed box is not necessarily that of a PC existence, but the open box is that of a dogmatic one. I am a UKIP voter, hardly PC. As a (retired) scientist, I have never been in search of truth, rather a better understanding of life. Much as I dislike a lot of what is going on in this country, it is far preferable to, say the open box ideologies of 1930’s Germany or the USSR.

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    EU Watch says:

    Could this be the next ploy for the Union bosses behind Ed ?

  113. 113
    broderick crawford says:

    very interrsting trial report .
    her defence qc says she was absolutely useless with money (but presumably not so useless as to have the requisite photoshop skills to eviscerate entries in a bank statement with sufficient expertise such as to fool an mep , though in hindsight that does not take much doing ) .

    So — hello ?!! —what was she / is she doing earning her bread as a ………FINANCIAL ADVISER !!!

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    Andy Burnham and Labour are cold-blooded nasty murderers. Fact. says:

    Well, the BBC is the next thing to be privatised. Surely.

    It defies belief that in the 21st Century we’re forced to pay for the BBC even if we only watch its competitors’ programmes.

    Imagine a Supermarket License. You can only shop at a supermarket if you have one, and all the proceeds go to Tesco, even if you don’t shop there. No one would stand for it. It would be illegal.

    Come on, Cameron, you dozy socialist coward: abolish the BBC and save most households £145 p/a.

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    Nuke the buggers says:

    FS what is the point of having a Nuclear deterrent if even the greasy Dagos are not deterred?

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    Andy Burnham and Labour are cold-blooded nasty murderers. Fact. says:

    Just one of the many benefits of giving the EU £20 billion every year.

    Much of which goes to 3rd-world shit-holes such as Spain – which is, of course, very very grateful.

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    broderick crawford says:

    plus 10 trillion .

    any way could the mep not find an ethnic brit to fill the position ?

    do not tell me that the millions of politics philosophy and economics graduates born in uk and languishing on the dole would not have catapaulted themselves at the opportunity of even a three month contract .

    perhaps he should hire her successor from ulan baator …

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    EU Watch says:

    Spa!n is looking like it is disintegrating in real time.

    Current major protest points, in descending order of ‘seriousness':

    – Corruption in the monarchy, calls for abdication
    – Basque people wishing independence
    – Government crackdown against ETA
    – Animal cruelty: bull fighting
    – Gas storage in the east, following a minor earth quake

    The protest against the pro-ETA crackdown in B!lbao was quite convincing:

    The ETA crackdown, absent any ‘terrorist’ activity, is pure political oppression.

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    EU Watch says:

    More to the point, what is the point of being in the EU ?

    These scenes disappeared for the period of time the official EU monitors went in to inspect.

    Then once the monitors left, scenes such as the above started again.

    Eyewitnesses (people held up in the queues for ages) report that most of the time the Span!sh border control are not doing anything. ie. Holding up for no reason – not even checking vehicles etc.

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    Andy Burnham and Labour are cold-blooded nasty murderers. Fact. says:

    “and not an ounce of contrition shown by this slug of a Prime Minister”

    Yeah, and the mass-murderer Andy Burnham is still shadow health minister.

    What an “Up Yours” to the British public. How utterly despicable.

    Not an ounce of contrition shown by the odious anti-British slug that is Miliband.

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    EU Watch says:

    Oh, and this perhaps may stimulate some choice comentary:

    Enjoy ;-)

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    Klaus Henchmann says:

    On the day the Tory Traitors relaunch the UK (EU) Police Agency. For the Third Time.

    Not a word. Either here or in the Marxist Media about the Europhication of the Police.

    We are going to need alot of rope. To hang these bastards.

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    Anonymous says:

    His job’s a poisoned chalice – or should I say flute – at the moment.

  124. 124
    EU Watch says:

    Fun and games in R’omania:

  125. 125
    broderick crawford says:

    modding well today gweedes that s two of mine on the spiked frame alreaddy .

    wasssamadder ….truth too rich for your egalitarian blood .??

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    broderick crawford says:

    No Tell Her etc be fair …

    she hails from that part of the country where it is no shame to demand employment .

    It all goes back to that fine actor Bernard Hill who played Yosser Hughes in Boys from the Blackstuff .


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    broderick crawford says:

    was that … “cunning stunt ” ???

  129. 129
    nellnewman says:


    I see Mr McClusky has just completed his reshuffle of the opposition front bench.

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    broderick crawford says:

    no you re thinking of tristan da cunha

    that island was privatised a ” lock ” of years ago as the irish would say — and sold to the yanks .

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    EU Watch says:

    Anyone out of the loop on why the M’cCann’s have started popping up again in press with sightings of M’addie alive, mobile phone records and imminent arrests, perhaps should consider that the libel trial in P’ortugal against A’maral (head of the original P’ortugese investigation) is now underway.

    The timing of all this stinks.

    As does the admission of dark thoughts which the book stimulated in K’ate. Inappropriate emotional responses betray the guilty conscience when confronted with the truth perhaps ?

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    Socialism is a severe mental illness says:

    So the public who buy billion of cans of it are all stupid?

    So you’re saying they should be banned from buying it?

    No more dr!nks company? No more profit? No tax on the profit? No employees?

    All because you – and you alone – know better than the public who spend their money on a product that they like?

    Of all the retards who post on this blog, you’re the most retarded of them all.

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    No troubles about the symbolism, gratuitous or otherwise! :-)

    You will laugh when you find out the real reason I am not here… I had a “blue screen” and “memory dumping to disk” experience! That is my karmic reward for making a mockery of your using Apple earlier, no doubt! I am doing a thorough check which has been running for over two hours and still has 30 minutes to go. So, without even opening the box, I am dead! Not for too long though, hopefully.

    Politically Correct thought is nothing but doublethink IMO. You are absolutely right. I loathe it. The problem is that, even when one is aware of it, one can still be infected due to its insidious creep. We are all susceptible.

    I would like to think you are right about an immanent inflection point happening in the political Zeitgeist but we have had too many false dawns to place any reliance on it happening. I would not want to row across the Atlantic on the back of it occurring soon – hell, not even the Serpentine! But the time will surely come.

    The present problem is that so many people are politically turned off that it enables the presently ascendant activists to prevail and these, as you have noted elsewhere, tend to come from the left.

    Posting from another machine but will be back to the fray soon. I have lost four hours of working time though! Grrrr!

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    broderick crawford says:

    yeah but she has not got a prayer when it comes to comparing legs with the previous lady speaker whose name i ve quite forgotten

    she us /was an ex Tiller Girl you know , real class …. and there s no room for bow legs in that line up

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    Postman 'fat cat' Pat says:

    Well, looks like an easy £2,000 windfall for me an the lads! Of course, I’ll still vote Labour as me Dad voted Labour and me Grandad before him.

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    The Tapas Nine says:

    We didn’t see, hear or say nuffink. You ain’t see us, right?

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    Socialism is a severe mental illness says:

    Labour have given up all hope of appealing to intelligent people and are going all-out for the lowest-common denominator – cretins such as Jimmy.

    Way to go. The nightmare will get serious if McCluskey and his anti-British puppet actually win, because they’ll have to continue to appeal to the lowest common denominator, at the expense of everyone else. McCluskey’s Britain, the next Venezuela.

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    broderick crawford says:

    chloe smith

    definite bedfodder now she s unemployed and with opportunity to spend her afternoons in decadent malpractice .

    no one would kick that out … except maybe Owen … and even he may be tempted to do a ” turn” in the light if her charms

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    Bilda Berger says:

    profession |prəˈfɛʃ(ə)n|
    1 a paid occupation, especially one that involves prolonged training and a formal qualification

    No? Let’s try this, then.

    trade |treɪd|
    2 a job requiring manual skills and special training

    Nope. What about:

    parasite |ˈparəsʌɪt|
    1 an organism which lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other’s expense.

    2 derogatory: a person who habitually relies on or exploits others and gives nothing in return.

    Now we’re getting closer!

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    broderick crawford says:

    yeah but not just any common or garden short man.

    it is a great advantage if he is sicilian .

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    Socialism is a severe mental illness says:

    I suppose it’s some sort of ‘progress’ that the typical Labour voter today doesn’t know who their dad was, let alone the name of their granddad.

    Well, maybe not, really. But it’s an interesting change. ‘Progressive’.

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    Bilda Berger says:

    Betty Boothroyd is the splendid personage what you are referring of.

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    EU Watch says:

    That may well be the case.

    I think in the Telegraph article, K’ate is telling us what they did with the body.


    They dumped it in the sea.

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    Serox says:

    if they vote for her they have even no credibility left. the woman is a national joke, one who employs her family at our expense.

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    Beer goggles says:

    Specsavers > > > > > > > > > > >

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    broderick crawford says:

    stun .. are you perchance related to … sting?

    he was a schholteacher before becoming a rock god you know ….

    perhaps he could teach us both about grammar , spelling and capitalisation .

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    broderick crawford says:

    i thought you had bloodywell retired .

    are you trying to reprise the bowing out patterns of frank sinatra and leonard cohen ??

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    Mr. & Mrs. Anglo Saxon says:


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    Bilda Berger says:

    What exactly is your quick, may I ask?

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    Captain Schettino says:

    Land ahoy!

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    Captain Schettino says:

    Nads and Squeaker`s Cow wife in a 69. Now that may not be magic but beats the hell out of 99% TV programmes. Nice.

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    Casual Observer 3 says:

    Surely as a scientist one would be perpetually in search of truths (within the range of experimental error) ?

    I do not speak of truth searching itself. Dealing in absolutes leads directly to totalitarian thought. The preferred truth of most is only what one finds credible enough to believe.

    Opening the box, hence the mind, to a more singular aim for the individual which does not depend on absolutes should not lead to the extreme ends you portray.

    I think our interpretation of the closed box is slightly different. The closed box of a singular ideology is quite different to the closed box of a superposition. In the case of USSR etc. opening the box allows new ideas in, in the latter case, opening the box allows something uncertain out.

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    The British media are cunts says:

    Karzai go eat some pig you fucking mong.

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    Banned says:

    You sound like my old English teacher wot I had in the glorious 1970s.

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    Casual Observer 3 says:

    Good luck with the repair. Blue screen is more repairable than grey ;-)

    Zeitgeist is a good framing point. An existential return to Hegel (without the Marx) is what appears to be happening.

    The ‘authorities’ will be doing all they can to suppress the apolitical from awakening. They are trying to protect their polyarch and seem unable to align themselves with the broader trend.

    (Recall we are currently rules by disparate minority interests. That aspect will soon be changing.)

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    Andy Burnham says:

    Please get your facts right. We had champagne AND oysters, not just champagne. What do you take us for, chavs?

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    Jack Droney says:

    Why have I been sacked? What’s the point of being married to the Labour deputy leader if I can’t stay in a cushy job despite being completely talentless and worthless just like her?

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    Mr. Hunt says:

    I recognise that.

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    Afghan Watch says:

    Afghan!stan was a NATO Article 5 response to 9-11 attacks in NYC. The US entered initially not as war but under AUMF legislation.

    The ISAF mission, which was a UN initiative which NATO took command of from 2003, had a simple objective:

    ‘ to enable the Afghan authorities to provide effective security across the country and ensure that the country can never again be a safe haven for terrorists.’


    For various reasons the establishment of ANSF has failed. These are not failings of ISAF.

    This has been a failure, but not of NATO, much more ISAF and the Afghan government of Karza!. The failure of ISAF is a failure of the UN mission.

    Karza! himself is well known to be highly corrupt, and perhaps has been complicit in hampering the ISAF mission in order to secure further funding for his government, and of course himself.

    This has come back onto the radar this year, and in recent years has been reflected by O’bama’s reluctance to meet with him in DC.


    Karza!’s miscalculation is that the US / NATO forces have assessed the resurgent Tal!ban as being a force which they can tolerate, and in the light of the endemic corruption within the country have taken a position that competing factional national forces work to their advantage.

    A simple summary is:

    Tal!ban governing to the north, Karza!’esque governance to the south, a perpetual conflict in area away from infrastructure key to foreign interests.

    The subsequent suppression of demand for domestic development will be a result of low intensity conflict and fundamentalist religious lifestyle. This suppression is important to prevent the Afghan’s from competing with foreign interests for their own resources and the resources in transit through their country. It should also help minimize the transit costs also.

    The above suits all concerned, except perhaps Karza! who now realizes his own days are very much numbered.

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    Oh come on now CO3 not a H/T in sight about who brought Cognitive Dissonance back into the thinking man’s mind? You must not be a Double Fink you know? And as for SC and CD – he daren’t thank a younger man for bringing so much to his attention – it just ain’t on the cards – he’d rather claim it as his own.

    btw – I clocked the IMPOSTER using my monkier on yesterdays Worlds most evil bastard Media mogul sponsored GF blog – Huh!

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    Posting hereunder of leftie or hoeing-at-the-pink-allotment type = sockpuppet. (SC) says:

    You should keep off the booze bc, it will be your downfall, I confidently predict. :-)

    You appear not to have noticed my multifarious disguises to defeat the Gadarene fuckpigs of multiplicity, indeed one appears a short distance below.

    Retirement is tantamount to death and accordingly I shall endeavour to resist both for as long as I am able.

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    Juan Kerr says:

    Indeed, on re-reading your original statement, it seems your original analogy of the box is different from mine, and if we took away the analogy, we would be pretty much in agreement. One thing though, a scientist should be in pursuit of knowledge not truth. As the great Dr. Bronowski said in the “Ascent of Man”, once you think you are certain of the truth you end up with the likes of Auschw!tz.

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    I'm the very important Mr Jon Snow says:

    I may be a nasty miserable old shampane socialist, but look at my socks.

    They are wicked, man. Cool.

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    nellnewman says:

    Portugal is going to look awfully stupid if this very sad case resolves and it’s found that the portuguese authorities were negligent and could have prevented a tragedy if they’d only acted fast enough instead of amaral having his daily 3 hour wino 100 euro lunches with that dodgy woman dressed in red !!

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    Gordon Brown says:

    Nurse, I’ve tidded up my crayons, now can I have my fizzy orange?

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    The British media are cunts says:

    Yes and you can bet when the Taliban cime looking for him, he’ll end up here in the UK with his stolen millions claiming asylum and us picking up the bill for his protection.

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    Captain Schettino says:

    `cos like the wife you are a useless mong.

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    Captain Schett!no says:

    Twat of the highest order. Like all musl!ms, he shouldn`t get past the Gulf.

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    So the Status Quo loving Circus performers of the LibLabCon have been out on the road – and now they’re back in their den of INequity at the HoC – spinning their usual lies.

    The one problem the LibLabConners have is that they are publicly known to be ‘AS ONE’ [THE THREE MUSTBEKWEER PARTIES] on four key issues which the majority of the public do not like – of course this is of their undoing (being beholden to buying into peddled lobbying garbage)
    1) Out of the EU
    2) Immigration
    3) Gay Marriage
    4) I am glad I wasn’t a Global Warming / Climate Change Monkey dupe

    This is the only game in town and dare one of the LibLabConners – be the first to blink?

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    Posting hereunder of leftie or hoeing-at-the-pink-allotment type = sockpuppet. (SC) says:

    Thanks, CO3! I’ve now got the rest of the night to do my work so will have to make it brief.

    Hegel is a good returning point but look also at TH Green, FH Bradley, E Caird and RG Collingwood, all home-grown Idealists. This movement is very much on the return as the barren lands of Analytics has failed to account for much which is of primary importance.

    For all LW’s brilliance, he failed to recognise that meaningful work may still be done in ethics when he tried to draw a limit… to the expression of thoughts and committed metaphysics to the realms of nonsense. Indeed, by throwing away the ladder, he deliberately consigned all his work to the same end!

    More later but that provides some food for thought, I would suggest.

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    Abigail Hulton says:

    Do you perhaps think that this has any relevance to Pandoras Box? I am seeing one in the same. I fight PC everyday, but I have lived Overseas most of my life. Been an immigrant, so I am damned if I will watch my mouth in my own Country.

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    EU Watch says:

    Perhaps not a good idea to buy the media line that the police in P’ortugal are useless. Look up the documentary on uTube, worth a watch.

    One thing with is very bothersome about this particular case is that it seems to be more about who can make money out of it, and less about the missing girl. Except for those who are expected to by the newspapers and support the parents in their quest to destroy press freedom.

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    Abigail Hulton says:

    “Tidded” and the people of this Country allowed you free reign with the ecomony.

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    The Man who has done more to promote the Royal Mail share sale than any other man says:

    Don’t suppose he intended it but when he goes on every TV and Radio channel, writes in every newspaper and Tweets inscesantly saying that the shares are massively undervalued and the Royal Mail’s property portfolio is one of the best in the land, he’s probably done more to get the shares sold off than any government minister could.

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    Abigail Hulton says:

    The irony would be if the parents were found negligent. But, hey I am from the North so would, of course, if I left my child anywhere, be vilified.

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    “forthcoming Deputy Speaker election ”

    Wan’t it plevious deputy speaka’s Election that landed him in the dock ?

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    cheche says:

    or just stroking my botty bott

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    Posting hereunder of leftie or hoeing-at-the-pink-allotment type = sockpuppet. (SC) says:

    There are two sides, Sir William, the expositor and the audience.

    If the audience accepts contradictory statements without thinking, that is surely doublethink.

    The expositor sets out the case in the certain knowledge that it is contradictory. He will experience cognitive dissonance and may even come to believe what he is saying is valid via belief disconfirmation and the like.

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    Casual Observer 3 says:

    I shall offer you a hat tip as courtesy here, but do not think the above was trying to sideline your messages.

    Your insight on this idea would be illuminating. Particularly as it would appear that our learned friends feathers appear to have been ruffled, and they appear to shifting on their perches.

    A separate question, but what do you think the apolitical legal fraternity make of UKIP ?

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    Rope ! I am more in favour of piano wire.

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    JOHN REID (finger on the pulse of british politics) says:

    “The British army will go to Afghanistan on an infrastructure rebuilding exercise
    and will return home without a shot being fired “

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    a geek speeks says:

    you think you know email, but you know nothing

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    The most photographed MP ever says:

    Or just posing for the camera, pretending to not notice the photographer who accompanies 24/7/365

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    JOHN REID (finger on the pulse of british politics) says:

    She does have a fine “rack” though

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    a real reality check says:

    She may not be perfact but she’s better than you khunt

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    Xores says:

    they all employ their families at our expense, at least Nadine is not up herself like the rest are

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    Ratco says:

    Hiya Trev

    you have some strong opinions for someone who is evidently a pig-ignorant mong.

    Check out “genocide” and “yugoslavia” then come back and apologise.

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    Anonymous says:

    Does anybody know if she was a qualified Nurse or not as its difficult to find out, she doesnt make as much of it now as she did, which is odd.

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    Posting hereunder of leftie or hoeing-at-the-pink-allotment type = sockpuppet. (SC) says:

    Great argument Juan Kerr & CO3 and both sides have been needlessly affected by the analogy getting in the way, as JK has correctly suggested.

    To JK, I would request an explanation of your account of knowledge which does not in any way entail truth? Not a trick question. It genuinely puzzles me. (Leave out Nietzsche, please!)

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    Ofsted says:

    Nothing wrong with “giving me your second” and your contraction suffers information loss.

    Not only are you a pedant, you are an ignorant pedant.

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    Anonymous says:

    She is more up herself if anything, you dont get many shrinking violets on”!Im a celebrity get me out of here” after all.

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    Anonymous says:

    He is the speaker, she is apparently (we will see) applying for Deputy speaker, of which there are several.To me this looks like another publicity stunt by mad Nadine !

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    Postman Pat's little black cat says:

    That me off to the knacker’s yard :(

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    Posting hereunder of leftie or hoeing-at-the-pink-allotment type = sockpuppet. (SC) says:

    @Blowing Whistles

    Every single thing I know, I owe to you.


    Happy? :-D

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    Anonymous says:

    Yes, she has got previous with other womens husbands apparently.

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    Abigail Hulton says:

    What Company in their right mind would listen to this man, if he does not slow down he is in danger of disappearing up his own backside. Also for goodness sake who with a decent mind ‘tweets’. As a normal human being I tend to pick up the ‘phone.

    What a sad society it has become (not we) the flippin Primeminister of the UK ‘tweets’ I reach for my books and a decent single malt.

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    Local? They don't look like Local Anglo Saxons to me says:

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    Anonymous says:

    Well that rules Nadine out then !

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    Local? They don't look like Local Anglo Saxons to me says:

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    Casual Observer 3 says:

    Yes – definitely a healthy supper.

    The problem with the analysts is that they all very quickly run into Godelian issues: This is how they end up missing stuff.

    It is probably best to separate the realities, physical and meta-physical at this point, and consider the doublethink in PC as a series of meta-physical paradoxes. Opening the box can be considered resolution of the paradoxes: Their final state is indeterminate, but dependent on the individual.

    Consider belief as a mechanism for coercing physical change from meta-physical will.

    A subtle point I was alluding to above is that instead of there being a single absolute all encompassing reality for the individual, as the idealists consider, perhaps the physical reality which an individual experiences is just an embedding within the universal absolute.

    That which is experienced by the individual is formed as an average of the beliefs of the minds involved.

    Whilst the mind is closed, kept in a state of paradox (PC), the individual is disconnected from being able to effect independent physical change. This is the real aim of PC thought. The disconnection of the individual from their own belief mechanism makes them slave to a third party.

    However once the individual has opened the box and resolved the paradoxes (regained free thought, identity and self belief), then they should be once again properly connected to their physical reality. Reality should become much richer as a result.

    Considering this, could part of the appeal of UKIP be that it offers to people an exit to the self prison of paradox and a reconnect to their own beliefs and the physical world. Thence, when people are restored into this state should not the reality experienced by the individual be considered a many-minds average ?

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    Anonymous says:

    Why would you promote some one that was already a clear liability at the next election?

    Only some one totally in the dark would do that. I suggest you start doing a little digging Cameron.

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    medhi hassan says:


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    It's never labours fault is it? says:

    That useless streak of piss mr Dromey of all women shortlists sacked
    Wonder what mrs Dromey will think of that

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    Socialism is a severe mental illness says:


    I despair too. We’re the world’s 7th largest economy and yet our MPs Tweet.. Twitter is for twats.

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    mehdi hassan says:


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    mehdi hasan says:


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    Casual Observer 3 says:

    @JK: The aspect of absolute I was thinking of in science are more connected with physical and meta-physical absolutes.

    Examples: The gravitational constant, speed of light, value of pi, the natural log, the second law of thermodynamics. I do not wish to offer a proof by example of list unnecessarily.

    Agree with you that knowledge is different, and would consider it to be credible belief, except in the hard absolute cases which have no empirical or theoretical contradiction. That is the balancing act of science.

    On the analogy front, perhaps we are both right. The box is not necessarily three dimensional, but perhaps is more rightly considered as existing in a higher dimension for the purpose of analogy ?

    @(SC) also:

    I would offer a suggestion that axiom may be considered more properly than truth as an invariant upon which a scientific theory / model, or knowledge can be built. Axiom is not necessarily absolute, however axioms are weak if they are built on consensus belief rather than actual reality.

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    Casual Observer 3 says:

    @(SC) On the axiom issue I would point you to my Godel reference below also.

    The incompleteness theorem guarantees that no system can be built complete based on axioms alone. (A fact that caught out R’ussell when he tried to define numbers axiomatically )

    This frames an apriori requirement for cogito ergo in models describing aspects of sum. Perhaps a way to connect meta-physical to physcial through belief ?

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    Sir Mary Flappes says:

    Burns is a total Growler. Nadine would present vastly more opportunity for sport.

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    Casual Observer 3 says:

    I think it is much more succinct to point out that she is from a country within which the UK intervened with other NATO countries in a civil war.

    The intervention in the civil war, in the eyes of the people who were fighting, may not be seen favorably. It could be regarded as humiliation, or if the final outcome was not in their favor, they would consider those who intervened to have worked against their own interests. That makes us their enemy.

    The escalation in violence which led to the genoc!de was directly caused by the intervention, particularly against Serb forces in K’osovo. If this women lost family members in the conflict she would naturally not hold the UK in high regard. Even though most deaths were due to failures of non-UK forces which were part of the UN peace keeping operations.

    For her, that the UK provided her sanctuary and a home / opportunity, this will count for nothing as she will still be connected spiritually to her homeland and its customs, not ours.

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    Juan Kerr says:

    A scientist should be searching for better explanations of natural phenomena. As time has progressed, these explanations have become more sophisticated but they are not true. As an example, the atom was seen by the Greeks as an indivisible particle. That was good knowledge for its time but we now know it is not true. Now we are at the stage of the Higgs Boson. With the original SC analogy, we had an attempt to explain the difference between waves and particles, but what are waves and particles? One scientist said(can’t think who) that there are no such things as waves and particles , they are only two ways of explaining physics. Galileo is a classic example of someone in pursuit of knowledge, imprisoned by those who knew the “truth”

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    Bonkers says:

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    Bonkers says:

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    Bonkers says:

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    Bonkers says:

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    Bonkers says:

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    Bonkers says:

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    Juan Kerr says:

    All those retweets and still only one favourite.

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    Calidius Eroticus says:

    If I was Cameron, which thankfully I am not, I would be approaching Mr Clegg with an ultimatum. Electoral boundary changes, or forget ever having another policy implemented again.

    I would then set my dogs on him.

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    Calidius Eroticus says:

    I would be most surprised if Karzai hadn’t already expended a fair amount of energy in reaching out to his brothers in the Taliban.

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    Strange happenings on Youtube says:

    Hearing of the promotion of glorious Gloria, I decided to search Youtube for her woeful performance in 2011 on QT up against Nigel. Comments on the video showed she was on it and it shows Nigel on top form but, mysteriously, all traces of Gloria’s pathetic responses have vanished!

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    Fuck the LibLabCon says:

    What happened to the cookie monster?

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    Fuck the LibLabCon says:

    Indeed, much like what’s happening in Greece atm.

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    Scores on the Doors says:


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    Casual Observer 3 says:

    Agree on Galileo.

    The scientist you refer to is a natural scientist. In the above case am considering science as a philosophy. Political science will not necessarily model real physical realities, but applying scientific method to derive a political model can be used to form a reality.

    The wave-particle duality came with the Young-slit – the SC analogy provided a physical representation for general duality – the doublethink.

    There are other less intuitive models for explaining interference in the case of a single photon / electron passing, from many-universes interacting when the observer intervenes, through the fringes forming naturally as a result of standing wave interference in the EM field of the apparatus set up by previous particle flow

    It is quite correct that there are no such things as waves and particles, these are macro level analogies used to imagine the world at small scale. That is odd because at those scales things do not behave as they do at the macro scale, hence the apparent duality.

    The notion that a scientist should always be searching for better explanations betrays an inbuilt progressive agenda. This is not to enter conflict with yourself.

    A scientist is an individual who applies scientific method to finding explanations for or to build models for phenomena. There may be a need for revision if a new observation requires construction of a new theory: The new theory should be able to account for all other previous phenomena observed and ideally predict new observations that can be then confirmed through experiment.

    This implies that science is in some ways revisionist, however only in the present tense, never in the past.

    The invisible prison which traps science are its analytic nature, focus on the material world, and to a degree mathematics. These aspects truly do speak to some inherently Marxian underpinnings.

    Perhaps science itself has become trapped in a form of political correctness ?

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    Jimmy says:

    “The attack culminated in my publicly demanding an apology from Gordon Brown”

    Far too modest. As I recall it culminated in a Guido/Blaney inspired threat of libel action. How is that coming along?

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    Another female that assumes that just because she is one should automatically be chosen for any position for the possession of a vagina. A feminist hiding in a conservative government is not only destructive but also contradictory. She is one major hypocrite. Get the hell out of the conservative party you leftist pretender. You are a disgrace.

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    ¶Ⓢⓒⓗⓡöⓓⓘⓝⓖⓔⓡ'ⓢ Ⓒⓐⓣ says:

    It was more of a voluntary redundancy than a retirement.

    People just don’t pay by cheque much anymore, and there my job simply became uneconomic for the bank. No hard feelings, and they offered me a position as a greeter but I did not fancy that very much.

    However, it is almost a full time job posting on here and contrary to what you suggest I rarely touch a drop so that I can stay at the top of my game.

    Wish me luck with the computer “expert” out here tomorrow :(

    I suspect I may have to buy a new one.

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    Anonymous says:

    Get a room

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    The Maimed Badger says:

    Isn’t that the Pussy Pound, or something like that

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    Posting hereunder of leftie or hoeing-at-the-pink-allotment type = sockpuppet. (SC) says:


    You may be surprised to find what a broad church British Idealism can be. Amongst its many flavours, all instructive, I would direct you towards Personalism which acknowledges that only persons have freewill.

    Surely there cannot be any stronger antidote to PC think than this!

    I am not a number as someone said… :-)

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    Jog Rafi says:

    Do you perhaps mean Diego Garcia island? T de C is way down in the south Pacific and is monitored by the Kiwis as I recall. It was where the mutiny on the Bounty sailors fetched up all those years ago.

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    Posting hereunder of leftie or hoeing-at-the-pink-allotment type = sockpuppet. (SC) says:


    Following up from mine below and apologies for rush.

    Too many things for the time I have available right now, in catch up mode, but let me indicate areas of agreement, or concern, and try to pick these up at a better point in the future.

    Gödel point accepted on limits of axiomaticity, where you had already identified the potential weakness. Again as you state this necessarily leads us into ontological territory.

    I kick against belief in the full knowledge that even the utterance of one single word relies upon it! (Is there no escape? :-))

    Your 1:27 am post coincides very closely with my thinking.

    Elsewhere, I have pointed out the fun that Dan Dennett has made of Physics and Philosophy making a land-grab for the same territory. Whilst very amusing, it has a ring of truth. That in turn leads me back to the challenge I set to Juan Kerr.

    So naturalists observe, a flea… may be the closest that any human gets to this. :-D

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    Angry Bird's downfall says:

    Ab, love – it is ‘rein'; [as in horses].

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    What would be wrong with a stance based entirely on immigration ?

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    By the way, Stun in the North we spell up U – P !!

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    Nigel Evans says:

    I would have done that if you had asked

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    Anonymous says:

    “I am possibly the most impartial MP in the House of Commons”


    + insane

    Fixed the typo for her.

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    xplod says:

    Nope! Tristan de Cunha is South Atlantic, Diego is Indian Ocean IIRC, and the Bounty fellas ended up at Pitcairn Island in the South Pacific. 0/3.

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