October 4th, 2013

Ireland Voting to Abolish Second Chamber

ABOLISH-SEANADToday Ireland is voting in a referendum to abolish the Seanad – the second chamber of parliament which costs some €20 million a year to provide a sinecure for recycled politicians who have been kicked out of the properly elected chamber by the voters.  Ireland is weighed down with too many politicians. New Zealand got rid of their second chamber and they carried on just fine…

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  1. 1
    Anonymous says:

    The Irish don’t have a very good track record on voting in referendums though, do they?

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      They should abolish second votes,

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    • 6
      eire eire says:

      at circa 4.5m pop does not need two houses

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        Sir William Waid says:

        Neither do we. Abolishing the Lords would oblige the Commons to tke more care with the legislation that it bodges together.

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          I would suggest that the UK should abolish the Commons, restore heriditary peers in the Lords. This would make the dishonest work shy members of the Commons having to look for a proper job, and restore matters of governing back in the governing classes.
          I suspect not everybody will agree, but it would work.

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          • The Maimed Badger says:

            The Lords is the last vestige of sanity left in this Marxist dominated Country. Take away the Lords and freedom will go with it’s demise.

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          • The Maimed Badger says:

            The Marxist Communists are already trying to destroy the freedom of the Press, just like Mother Russia & China, is Socialism in any form the oppressive government we really want.

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          • Handycock sex Tourist on taxpayer's money says:

            Watch it. I am a work shy member of the commons with ambitions to receive a peerage, so I can continue shagging at taxpayer’s expense in eastern Europe.. Boaz.

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          • Cato Street Conspirator says:

            ‘The Marxist Communists are already trying to destroy the freedom of the Press…’

            You must agree, though, us Anarchist Communists are okay. That is what you’re saying, isn’t it?

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          • Never believe anything you find on Google (or anywhere else on-line) says:

            Expel all unelected members from the House of Lords. The hereditaries who are left may have small constituencies but they were trained for the job – from birth.

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          • Graham says:

            Bring back hereditary peers and get rid of the failed political shits like Prescott,Gorbals Mick Martin,Kinnocks,etc.

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    • 9
      cast-iron hoof says:

      At least they get one occasionally.

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    • 42
      Anonymous says:

      The trouble is their second chamber will then become Brussels,all part of the bail out plan

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      • 56
        Loss of Sovereignty says:

        If the Seanad goes, there’s nothing to stop direct legislation from Brussels just being rubber stamped by the Lower House.

        It’s actually the last bastion of Democracy, but do enough people know or care?

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        • 65
          Anonymous says:

          So keep it simple.

          Referenda for the final say on all bills, taxation included.

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        • 69
          Klaus Henchmann says:

          Well done that man.

          It’s there to defend the Constitution of the Free State.

          It’s supposed to prevent corruption and the undermining of the State.

          The Paddies are about to vote themselves out of existence.

          The Troika that now run the country have just forced Abortion onto the Irish. Dispite two. Yes Two. Previous referendums saying No to Marxist Child Killing.

          Couldn’t keep it together for more then one generation. Thick Micks. All that hate and killing for Nothing.

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          • Klaus Henchmann says:

            JUST read the result.

            PADDIES…..SALT OF THE EARTH.

            Always knew they wouldn’t bend the Knee to the Godless Marxist Euro-filth.

            God bless em all. The Guinness is on me !!!!!?

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        • 74
          Tom Catesby says:

          I thought the EU already rubber stamped legislation.
          I remember the last referendum our neighbours had ‘over the water’.
          Didn’t the EU tell them to’feck off’ and have another with the result Brussels wanted?

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  2. 2
    Smurfy says:

    All those expenses these worthless politicians claim for!

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  3. 3
    Wot happens if I knocks out ALL my teeth, Daddy? says:

    Mummy. MUMMY!!!

    Look! Some unemployed people have been typing lots of comments on Daddy’s blog thingy.

    Tell them to go away.

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  4. 5
    Socialists = Sociopaths says:

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  5. 7
    Bob says:

    I wish our Town had the same opportunity!

    http://horsforthletdownbyleeds.blogspot.co.uk/

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  6. 8

    How did they managed to get politicians to offer to get rid of such a place? Top UK politicians would rather move to Iran than risk a referendum about getting rid of the Lords. Just look at all the old Labour wastes of space whos last job was to vote each other a free gravy train into the Lords

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    • 57
      Sam the Skull drinking Buckfast in Maryhill says:

      Och mon! If Scotland becomes independent it will need its own House of Lords (or Chamber of Lairds perhaps).

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  7. 10
    P l e b says:

    Won’t happen here in a million years. Just like we’ll never leave the EU.

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    • 15
      Lord Wind*bag says:

      Quite right to, just get back to your dirty little hov*el where you belong &

      keep on paying all your Taxes……….

      Which I need for my New Super Wind Farm !!! & very generously subsidised by

      you ungrateful tax payers……….

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  8. 11
    Displaced Brummie says:

    I see that a political party is backing this campaign.

    This means that it is a good idea for the political party concerned and their special friends.

    Which usually means that it is a bad idea for ordinary people…

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  9. 12
    Questioner says:

    So it’s just going to be the Irish Teashop in future then?

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  10. 14
    Bigot Watch says:

    You have to laugh at the irony of this site and the mongs who post on it going on about Milibands father. If anyone hates Britain its the bigots on here who hate the UK and much of its constituent parts. Weapons grade hatred at times.

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    • 25
      hi-ronny says:

      Your comment would have carried more weight if you had not posted it.
      Now you too join the bigots here.
      If you could have thrown in a dead father you might have had a case.
      However probably not knowing your father or having an extended choice of male parentage you are insignific-nt [ with accent on the c*nt bit].

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    • 28
      always look on the bright side of life says:

      oh cheer up grumpy .. teas nearly ready

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  11. 16
    poor as feck says:

    house of lords,then bbc

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    • 29
      Sir William Waid says:

      The original purpose of having two houses Of Parliament was to provide wider representation. The House of Lords represented the upper class and the Church, while the Commons represnted the gentry and merchant classes. (The other folk did as they were told). The Lords no longer achieves its purpose as its members are merely a different subset of the politico-managerial elite. We should abolish it.

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  12. 17
    Hoots! It's Clown says:

    I quite liked Sinéad O’Connor, abolishion seems OTT

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    bono says:

    And there was I thinking when I give up all this hard work lecturing the world, my sinecure was assured.

    Ah well. Ireland’s loss is a carbon footprints gain.

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    Keep Calm, Vote UKIP says:

    The BBC have been ramping the story about the sunk boat of illegal migrants off !taly quite a bit today. Why ?

    Much of the illegal migrant traffic coming into !taly from north Afr!ca recently has included r’efugee’s from Syr!a, as well as the usual assorted mixed bag of terrorist infiltrators, criminals avoiding justice and a few genuine economic migrants who cannot qualify for a v!sa.

    The first item in that list is the significant one.

    The government is likely to announce soon, rather quietly, that they are intending to take in a few thousand of these r’efugees. This will be somewhat unpopular politically, and there is a legitimate question to be raised as to where these people could be housed.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/09/21/eu-member-states-fear-syrian-refugee-influx/

    Why ?

    See Lisbon Article 78 para 3:

    3. In the event of one or more Member States being confronted with an emergency situation characterised by a sudden inflow of nationals of third countries, the Council, on a proposal from the Commission, may adopt provisional measures for the benefit of the member State(s) concerned. It shall act after consulting the European Parliament.

    h**p://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-the-functioning-of-the-european-union-and-comments/part-3-union-policies-and-internal-actions/title-v-area-of-freedom-security-and-justice/chapter-2-policies-on-border-checks-asylum-and-immigration/346-article-78.html

    The provisional measures is not defined, but could be implemented as EU directives ordering member states to accommodate such peoples. At present the interpretation appears to be voluntary consensus.

    Incidentally, G’ermany and several other EU member states have agreed to take r’efugee’s which have been showing up in G’reece and I’taly in numbers of order 5000 or so.

    And Finally:

    h**p://www.thelocal.fr/20131004/syria-syrians-refugees-calais-dover-UK-cameron-hollande-assad

    This may prove somewhat thorny for the government, and will help boost the appeal of UKIP.

    The argument which the Calais r’efugees are using, that they wish to be reunited with their families, pushes their chances of UK admission in their favor as Lisbon Treaty makes a point of this specific reason being grounds for flexibility around the rules on third-country peoples to being admitted to member states.

    This further undermines Grant Shapps claim that the government has immigration under control, when in fact the governments efforts to curb immigration of third-country people may have just traded skilled individuals who cannot or will not afford the bond with r’efugees.

    Vote UKIP.

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      utopia unfound says:

      you’re wasted with ukip

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    • 32
      Rev I M Jolly says:

      Yep, as soon as I heard the BBC leftwits crying their eyes out I knew we’d be putting up the survivors in brand new houses and sending the social workers around to ask what size plasma TV would meet their needs.

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      • 55
        Bob Fleming says:

        It’s not just the houses and the free stuff we’ll have to fork out, it’s the fact that they will be demanding new mosques, halal fcuking meat and all the other trappings of the religion of peas that nobody else in this country wants

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          Tom Catesby says:

          Move to the top of the housing list(although God or Allah) knows where these houses are coming from, as we are told we are in the middle of a housing shortage crisis. education, not enough places in our schools we are told, NHS, no more need be said on that subject, jobs or benefits, it goes on and on. When will it end? When the native population of these small overcrowded islands are standing shoulder to shoulder on the Isle of Wight. Or maybe we will have to take to the boats?

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    • 33
      Sir William Waid says:

      Fifty years of authoritarian socialism have left most North Africans as poor as mosque mice.

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    The Maimed Badger says:

    Yep, get rid of the Commons here and save loads,

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  18. 37
    Andrew says:

    Sitting in the Seanad keeps them off the streets . . .

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  19. 39
    A Royal Mail employee says:

    Del Boy Cameron and Rodney Osborne…

    ‘Come an git yer shares now… cheap as chips!’

    Except they’re selling another little bit of our country to their freeloading mates in high finance

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    • 47
      Anonymous says:

      I did read a while ago when Mandlebummer was thinking of privatising the post office that it was all part of a European directive about introducing competition into state run organisations,which will also happen to the N H S. which in effect means that EU are going to destroy the health service.Can someone clarify this as I work all day and can’t be bothered to do the research,,,,,,I was expecting the B BBC to keep us license payers informed.

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    • 50
      Gary Bloke says:

      They are doing as their masters in Brussels wish.

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        Tom Catesby says:

        Unelected people making decisions in the Seanad! Who the hell do they think they are? Herman van Rumpoy and Co?

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    M103 says:

    Gove really is a truly pathetic little twerp.

    Asked about the fairness of the Mail article, all he could do was resort to that condescendingly verbose routine about the importance of a free press, which is all well and good except it’s not what he was asked.

    I notice his wife writes for the Daily Heil so we can only guess at what the jumped-up, puffed-up, spineless little duck-face really thinks

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    • 43
      Fleetwood Quack says:

      Dunt stop thinking about election
      Dunt stop – it’ll soon be here
      It’ll be here – the Tories won’t be
      You’ll all be gone, you’ll all be gone

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    • 48
      Anonymous says:

      What did you get your degree in? Name calling? Are you not able to converse without recourse of abuse? I bet you are ugly and venomous like a toad.(Shakespeare)

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      • 60
        An ex-correspondent from Belfast says:

        He sounds like (is?) a typical comfortably off “socialist” with an estate in Essex (which is what he told us a day or two ago). Somebody please point out the difference to him between his ar*e and his elbow. Thanks.

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  21. 41
    Anne says:

    Since the rightful Peers were ousted out of the Lords, it has become a resting place for those that have either failed to get elected or have served their time in another place. (NO! Not that one!) The Lords is now stuffed to the brim with about 760 of them and we are footing the Bill.

    Soon of course, if we remain in the EU there will be absolutely no need of anyone in the Commons now that Mr Cameron has obeyed EU Orders by dividing the Country and Nation up into EU REGIONS. (OH yes it is!) You can trace the Localism Act all the way up to the United Nation Web-site, for i did you see.

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  22. 44
    Steve in Fazakerley says:

    Mehdi Hasan, who made mincemeat of Quinten Letts and made him look a right Pratt, received one of the biggest ovations I’ve ever seen on Question Time last night.

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    • 61
      An ex-correspondent from Belfast says:

      You really do need to get out more. Go and watch Everton or Fleetwood Rovers…

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  23. 45
    Jimmy says:

    Say what you like about the Seanad, it gave us arguably the best tv pol interview ever. For those who haven’t seen it, enjoy.

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  24. 49
    Sen H-a-r-r-y Reid (D-NV), Majority Leader, US Senate, says:

    Listen, if you get rid of Upper Houses, how is a poor boy to deny any votes on a continuing resolution to fund the bureaucracy, and thus shut down the government? And then blaming it on the Lower House, controlled by the other party, for not sending a bill to his liking which the President would sign, which he won’t do with any bill those Lower House jokers will pass, because the Lower House will defund his pet program??

    No, you gotta have Upper Houses– it keeps ill-advised legislation from going through, if you design the damned thing right!

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  25. 51
    tone says:

    Checks and balances.

    The USA may be shutdown, but the separation of legislature and executive is a sound approach. I’ve no idea if that is Ireland’s model.

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  26. 52
    Penfold says:

    Is Ben Dunne there? has he bought the Seanad?

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  27. 53
    Anne says:

    There may never be an EU REFERENDUM
    For we have been promised them in the past,
    They want us to be dominated forever
    But their promises are not made to last.
    Come the 2015 General Election
    The people know what they have to do,
    Use it as the promised REFERENDUM
    Only Vote for those that want OUT of the EU.

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    • 59
      firefoxx says:

      You mean vote Conservative – the only practical and effective way to get a genuine in-out referendum. Voting ukip will, unfortunately, be counter-productive.

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      • 72
        Hamish Macbeth says:

        “””You mean vote Conservative – the only practical and effective way to get a genuine in-out referendum””

        Ahhh of course – the Conservatives and “cast iron guarantee” Dave who in 2007 offered a “cast iron guarantee” to put any treaty in front of the voters… then renaged with Lisbon

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  28. 64
    tony blair says:

    Vincent is fantastic, thank goodness he didn’t interview me

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  29. 66
    Anne says:

    Ah, firefoxx: Not only will the Conservatives NOT get into alleged POWER again, they certainly will not fulfil their PROMISE of a Referendum either, for they have promised one before, remember.

    If you, along with many, many more people want out of the EU, then YOU have to give UKIP a try. No, I am not in UKIP NOR IN any Political Party but I have been tricked into voting Conservative in the past, although not at the last Election along with many other people, hence the Coalition. All three major Political Parties want to remain in the EU for those three know that between them, they have given most of the Governing of this once Sovereign Country to the EU to make ITS laws, Rules and Regulations WHICH EVEN they HAVE TO OBEY.

    The first thing the next Government should do is empty completely the House of Lords and reinstate the true owners, the Hereditary Peers, with the exception of course of the Scottish Peers IF THEY HAVE DECIDED TO “GO IT ALONE” AND HAVE THEREFORE BROKEN THE TREATY AND ACT OF UNION.

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  30. 67
    Poor as feck says:

    NO

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