September 29th, 2013

Tory Tots Tribute to Maggie

Tory conference delegates will have been on the edge of their train seats waiting to find out what the new ‘Maggie Shop’ would be selling. Well you can’t say Craig Oliver’s tribute hasn’t exhausted every possibility of Lady T merchandise. It’s, er, what she would have wanted?


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    Only 14 minutes since the last page was posted?

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    Len McTrotsky says:

    Evil Tory cuts, 1 nation Labour, Bedroom tax, a hand out not a help out – well, young Milibean seems to be ticking all the right boxes, now let’s talk about 10% wage increases and we’re done.

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      Toxic Labour scum trashed my Country says:

      I’m 95% confident that the Fuckwit Ed Multimillionaireband knows what he is talking about.

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    Dr Strangelove says:

    she’ll be turning in her grave

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    Rip Van Winkle says:

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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    The rejection of the improved offer by Apax, for GMG’s 50% stake in Trader Media, may be read here for free:

    http://bit.ly/1fSIFkl

    The news is actually five days old but, curiously, it was listed as an FT link (£) in Seen Elsewhere on the last page (Read Guido’s Column in The Sun on Sunday Online) but not, at the current time of posting, on this page.

    Does anyone know what is going on? Is the intern drunk or hungover?

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      Someone says:

      I hope so. Otherwise, if it is Guido et al, this blog really has reached the pits.

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        Casual Observer 3 says:

        Has he mentioned that key Thatcherite Bruges Group has been removed from the fringe conference guide ?

        This is not an isolated case either – quite a few other fringe events have been inexplicably censored out also.

        C’arry H’ole is having a discussion with T’oby H’elm on twitter about this. Gist is C’arry doesn’t think it is important, perhaps more a comment on the journalism than the content.

        The Bruges Group themselves were tweeting this G’uadian piece the other day:

        h**p://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jul/27/nigel-farage-address-bruge-group

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          Is the official line here back with the Conservatives and away from UKIP, I have been wondering?

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          • P l ë b says:

            I have been wondering if you’ve run out of prime numbers.

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          • @P l ë b:

            Not at all. Have you any idea how many there are?

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          • Confusus says:

            There is an infinite number of prime numbers, but not as many as the infinite number of numbers

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          • Casual Observer 3 says:

            It would be good to find out who exactly Cameron represents, and to look beyond the obvious gay lobby, green lobby and some other minorities.

            Whilst they have been paying tribute to Thatcher, the Conservatives do still seem to be splitting.

            Guido’s Sun piece about the pollster who has left is revealing. This has screwed up Cameron’s strategy which is probably a large part of why he has lost a lost of credibility.

            If on the basis of strategy advice decided to ignore UKIP, turn back on the Thatcherite’s and go after Labour by targeting the minority interest lobbies to just edge his share of the vote into a slim majority next election, then he has succeeded.

            The problem is this is so far away from where public opinion is that he has put himself in a very exposed position.

            When the memoirs get published we shall probably read a la McBride, something like this:

            ‘I warned David, along with others, that the public would perceive his failure on EU budget negotiations negatively, and that this would fuel rising nationalism and support for UKIP. He however did not take this advice, and did not strengthen his position with Europe even after the the then President of the Commission said as much in a plenary session of the European Parliament later that same year.’

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          • How many of the gay lobby, which he purportedly represents, will actually vote for him or his party?

            Very few, one imagines – he has an uphill struggle.

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          • Casual Observer 3 says:

            One could argue that Dave’s splintering of the Labour ‘hanger-on’ vote has perhaps released the union beast.

            As for the gay vote – it is at most 2%, and beginning to lose whatever luster it once had as the Tory propaganda presentation of this stuff is not as slick as Labour’s.

            The Conservatives missed the point that Labour kept this stuff on the periphery. They hyped it, but never tried to bring it into the core of the party as Dave has. This is another strategic error of Dave’s.

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          • To your very valid point, it would be interesting to have the ability to calculate what percentage of the traditional Conservative vote Dave has alienated in order to try to entice some of this 2%. I should imagine it is greater by a factor of 6-8 times, greater if not all of the 2% are convinced.

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          • Casual Observer 3 says:

            Comparing latest YouGov Sunday T!mes with 2010 GE (rounded):

                   2010 GE %  |  27/9/2013   |   Delta %
                              |   YouGov %   |  
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            Lab  :     29     |     42       |    + 13
            Con  :     36     |     31       |    -  5
            L/D  :     23     |      9       |    - 12
            UKIP :      3     |     13       |    + 10
            Other:      9     |      6       |    -  3
            

            From this, in the worst case, about 5% has gone from Con to UKIP, and perhaps only 2% from the L/D.

            The Sun survey may be more reliable than S/T.

            One suspects the swing from Conservative to UKIP is much larger, and Labour as well are sitting on perhaps 1% loss to UKIP also.

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          • This indicates that Dave (or at least his No Deal With UKIP stance) has to be broken before the next GE otherwise he, and his party, will be broken after it.

            I do suspect the actual strength of the currently quoted Labour position, though. It just not tie in with other polls in which an increasing number of people recognise the need for state spending, and borrowing, to be reduced.

            My hunch is that there is an increasing number of voters from the left who are currently uncertain and who might, in the privacy of the booth, cast a protest vote. For all UKIP’s recent problems (which the public don’t really notice), Farage has played this one very well and may turn out to be his trump card. It makes every sense for him to rebuff Dave now.

            Of course, the distribution of voters within constituencies still acts in Labour’s apparent favour. But if Farage gets it right (admittedly a big if!) even that could swing against the apparent beneficiary.

            But Dave seems more concerned now with teeing up what he (at least) sees as the next coalition…

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          • Casual Observer 3 says:

            I agree with you on the Labour figure. Their share I think is closer to 36/7% at the moment, and UKIP are closer to 18-20%.

            Poison chalice for Dave is that Clegg has said he would join coalition with Conservatives but has ruled out Miliband. The Lib Dems are toxic: Tuition fees has finished them, and Lib Dem on 9% mean that coalition still loses to Labour, as per above figures.

            A good question UKIP should consider is this.

            When a major event happens, such as !taly government falling apart, GD arrested, terror attacks elsewhere, how many people would navigate to UKIP / Farage social media outlets to find out what UKIPs position is on this ?

            I think there could be a lot who do check, not just reporters. Streamlining this side of the UKIP delivery would help fix to a very large degree the imbalance caused by MSM bias.

            Two ways this could be done:

            1) Public discussion visible and inclusive between the UKIP groups across the country on general issues. Especially information sharing about what is going on in EU and how it affects UK + domestic items which do not get much coverage.

            Google Hangouts advertised on Twitter etc. as both regular / irregular ‘Townhall’ groups could be smart here. The ‘Ask Barosso’ presentation the other week, extended to group discussion, could be a good model.

            2) Formal statement of official position and informed opinion about major events from key people in the party. People would be interested in the opinion, as absent balanced MSM coverage internet is the only way those interested can find out.

            Word of mouth penetrates more deeply than broadcast media.

            Ignoring the disruptive troll fraternity, who are relatively easy to filter out, this two way approach could prove very helpful in attracting votes and communicating the message on a budget, and may be particularly powerful if targeted at Labour marginals in the north.

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          Blowing Whistles says:

          To CO3 and SC and having noted many of your comments.

          I went to bed last night thinking to myself … Did “The Reign of Terror 1997 – 2010″ actually end? The more I think about it – no it hasn’t ended …

          A new crew were merely placed at the helm of The S(t)inking PremierShip – because even now there are snippets across the msm re: the heir to blair.

          Which to my opinion says that the Cameron boy brigade must be gotten rid of as well. What say others?

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          • @BW:

            Not being a natural Conservative voter any more, there is a difficulty here for which improbably, I must defend Dave to a limited extent, even though I fundamentally disagree with him on a wide number of issues.

            If we can set aside for the moment the well known charges of Son of Blair which you have pointed out, we can only judge him on the basis that he has had at least one arm tied behind his back for his premiership.

            The LibDems are themselves a coalition of unlikely bedfellows and the experience of government may ironically have been the last straw for them.

            Back to Dave, we don’t know how he would have performed had his party been elected with a reasonably substantial majority. Not to my liking still but this is politics and no party ever manages to please its supporters all the time. If you are in agreement to an extent which exceeds 50%, then I suggest you are doing rather well.

            For what it is worth, in my memory, I would rate my agreement as follows:
            Macmillan at 50% (but I was very young then)
            Heath at 30%
            Thatcher at 70%
            Major at 65%
            Cameron at 40% (maybe 35% some days)

            You will note that I have omitted Labour as I have no basis I could relate such a judgment to their awful policies and approach.

            Where would Cameron be had he had a majority? None of us will ever know. I would hazard a guess of 50%, just like Macmillan. In other words, back to the uninspiring days of post-war consensus government.

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          • Blowing Whistles says:

            SC – just one big mistake – you jump into the false arena / scenario of ‘what if Camezero had won’

            He did not win – so don’t bother me with you ‘what ifs’ – pie in the sky shite.

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          • Yes BW.

            And then you switched off your brain as you no longer had need of it. If you were a sea anemone, you would have eaten it as a foodstuff, it being redundant for its original purpose.

            I followed it with: None of us will ever know. But your mind was already in junket land.

            Look at this on impact evaluation:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_evaluation

            and with particular emphasis on the use of counterfactuals cf.:
            h**p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterfactual_conditional

            But based on past performance your mind is likely to say: Don’t blind me with the facts (or contingencies), I have made my mind up.

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    Casual Observer 3 says:

    Have they got a Cameron version which includes a beeper just in case you leave your tot in the pub ?

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    Anonymous says:

    Nasty Tories use children for political propaganda.

    Sickening.

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    Regular Commentator has had a poo says:

    Union Jack’s and Maggie paraphernalia will no doubt be in abundance at the Conservative Conference.But where are the EU flags and emblems?
    Come on Cameron you can’t claim to have a mandate to form pro EU government if you hide your pro EU light under a bushel.

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      Real commenters watch C'arry H'ole interviews and comment whilst pooing says:

      He brought Osborne’s housing Ponzi scheme forward by 2 months.

      Perhaps panicking, moment of clarity, or preparing for early election ?

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        Gideon says:

        Dave at the moment has a very disparate party now and he has to try to somehow, I don’t know how, keep all the groups together, that was one big thing the Cons had no problem with, compared to Liebore who eventually split into two, if Dave cannot do that, or the various groups start stirring up trouble UKip and Liebore will walk all over them.

        0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21

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    Mehdi Hasan says:

    Guido Fawkes is a bellend.

    That is all.

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    Vote UKIP says:

    Just Remember Cameron tried to take us to war on the basis of a dodgy youtube video and pretty little else.

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      Casual Observer 3 says:

      You are forgetting the JIC report compiled with much circumstantial, speculative and otherwise good source from the Dav!d !cke site as well.

      Apparently they couldn’t find any sixth form essays to rip off this time as Syr!an Reg!me change was dropped from the curriculum by Gove.

      Cut ‘n’ Paste without the magic Campbell touch.

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      P l ë b says:

      And the British public accepts that Ed Miliband prevented him from doing it.

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        Point of Information 7 says:

        For narrow political reasons influenced by the unions, the public recognize that Ed changed his position and opposed.

        The public recognize that Parliament voted against the intervention.

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          Anonymous says:

          Had Ed been acting just for his own gain, perhaps it would have been better to have allowed the PM to damage himself by following Tony Blair and involving the UK in yet another costly and bloody war?

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        The public also accepts that Milliband minor is a famous cartoon character who is unfit for the office of PM.

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      Anonymous says:

      Nice comment, shame about the race – policy.

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    Snarf says:

    The ghastly know-nothing Hackney hippo is on Murnaghan shouting down and interrupting everything the lady from the Economist is trying to say. Clearly they never taught manners in Jamaican comprehensives. And Mike Mansfield the barrister without Chambers is 100% convinced that the climate change scam is nothing of the sort and that we are all going to fry ere long because the scientists say so!

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      Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

      Surprised they didn’t have Marcus Thicktw*t on as well to lend his huge scientific knowledge to the MMGW argument

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      Jack Ketch says:

      Bad manners seem to go with obesity, although I am not sure which comes first.

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      Blowing Whistles says:

      Re climate change…Mansfield is probably lining up a new revenue stream then.

      Fuck the judicial mafia.

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        Blowing Whistles says:

        IMPOSTER

        Why couldn’t you just say it with your own moniker. Would have beenfar better to let me add to it. I agree with the comment and would add Mansfield is a known Lefty – Who’s kept all the booty he’s claimed and not shared it for his cause like the kinnocks!

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      Fatbott was educated in an inner-city comp. That’s why she’s got no manners. I feel for her mother.

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      Hippbotomus's son's expensive private schoolteacher says:

      I believe Ms Abbot went to a rather nice Harrow grammar school along with her boyfriend Mr Portaloo, and then to Cambridge.
      Don’t many Jamaican mothers, who can’t afford private schools, send their kids to Jamaica to avoid dreadful local Hackney schools?

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      Anonymous says:

      video clip? (I’ve not been able to locate it on youtube.)

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    As she was a soulless the price of everything and the value of nothing creature, she would doubtless have approved.

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      Len McTrotsky says:

      Ah, bless, did wee Bobby have to work for a living?

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        All our present ills stem from the Thatcher era

        “Margaret Thatcher: the most useful of idiots

        With his mixture of vaulting intellectual ambition and howling mediocrity of mind, Lenin is the MaGonagal of philosophers. (Connoisseurs of intellectual incompetence and pretension should browse through Lenin’s ‘Materialism and Empririo-Criticism’ for an especial treat). Nonetheless, like Hitler, the man possessed a certain low animal cunning and a complete absence of moral restraint, which qualities permitted him to make a few acute psychological and sociological observations. Amongst these is the concept of the useful idiot.

        For Lenin this was the role to be played primarily by simpleminded bourgeois dupes who unwittingly aided the movement towards the proletarian revolution, a revolution utterly antipathetic to the ideals and aspiration of the simpleminded bourgeois dupes. But the concept is of general political utility. The useful idiot is any person who acts in a way which unwittingly promotes political interests which are opposed to his own political ideals.

        The best of all useful idiots are those in positions of the greatest political advantage, both because they have power and their propensity to be deluded by their egos into believing that they are utterly beyond manipulation or mistaken in their policies. They also display a serious want of understanding of the probable consequences of their actions.

        It was this combination of circumstances and mentality which made Margaret Thatcher so potent a useful idiot in the liberal internationalist cause. As I wrote that last sentence, I saw rising up before me the opposing hordes of her admirers and haters, singularly united in a ghastly embrace of disbelief. Was she not the Iron Lady, the Hammer of the Left, the destroyer of union power, the slayer of the socialist dragon? Did she not speak of turning back the tide of immigrants? Was she not the rock from which the European Leviathan rebounded? Did she not ensure that Britain was respected in the world as she had not been since Suez? Was she not a mover and shaker in the nationalist cause?”

        Read more at http://livinginamadhouse.wordpress.com/2011/08/27/margaret-thatcher-the-most-useful-of-idiots/

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    Iain"Hulk Hogan" Dale says:

    Shoutout to all those comrades heading to Manchester tomorrow to tell the Tories they cannot dismantle our cherished Welfare State.

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    Laura Norder says:

    Financial crime set to soar in Manchester this week – police expect millions of taxpayers money will be stolen & passed to privateers and fat cats.

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    Jack Ketch says:

    The Left has found another daft bint to spew twaddle all over the airwaves. The most stupid old trollop was wittering away on Murnaghan this morning about the “Tory Gummermint” either cutting the NHS or spending too much on it–she was not sure which, or privatising bits of it and thus “putting the cost of health care beyond the pockets of people”. She appeared most upset that companies in the medical field gave donations to the conservative party. Were I in the medical field, or at least the veterinary part of it, I would diagnose mad cow disease. Where do they find these silly tarts?

    Well, I looked it up, Francis O’Grady, the Secretary General of the TUC (another one with Irish Catholic roots) has only ever worked within the trade union movement–never had a real job, never had to be accountable for where the money comes from. She has a diploma in Trade Union Studies from Middlesex Poly and a BA in politics and History from Manchester.
    She obviously had early exposure to industrial and workforce excellence–her father was a shop steward at the Leyland plant at Cowley!

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      A Doctor writes says:

      Has this “most syupid old trollop” got loads of cats ???

      If so – I diagnose Toxoplasmosis … she has worms from cats poo eating her brain !!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis

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      The British media are cunts says:

      Funny how all these Oirish fuckers seem to love their country so much they don’t want to live there.

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      Staffie says:

      Lengthy report on the local BBC news about the protest rally against whatever the review of Stafford Hospital might come up with.
      No mention of why the review was taking place.

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        BBC Political Propaganda is in everything you watch says:

        The words ‘Stafford Hospital’ and ‘Labour’ have never appeared together in a BBC sentence.

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        BBC Political Propaganda is in everything you watch says:

        BBC Midlands news reporting has always been left-biased for as long as I can remember. Their bulletins are exemplars of the PC, multi-culti, Tory-bashing agenda which the BBC propagates.

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    A Rich Man and Woman increasing the price of alcohol for the poor says:

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      Hamish Macbeth says:

      That’s not very socialist of them is it ???

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      Mornington Crescent says:

      Ah, a manic d3pressive p155-artist who imposed the “cafe cultcha” on us, is now lecturing us on… b00ze.

      In other news, a Mr. James S@vile has recently taken up pontificating about ch1ld protection.

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        What a Hypocrite says:

        Yes quite. I wonder why Dave has not rowed back on Campbell’s 24 hour pub openings? He could cut market town late night booze culture at a stroke.

        Campbell has some bloody cheek though.

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          The LabLibCon is one party, it's called fascism says:

          ‘Dave’is in on the gig, he’ll do as he is told by his handlers.

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          BBC Political Propaganda is in everything you watch says:

          Yes, it beggars belief, doesn’t it. This is the person whose government gave us 24-hour drinking and now thinks it’s all gone too far! I suppose Campbell thought it would be a vote winner. Now he’s pretending to have a social conscience. Vomit-inducing indeed.

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          Mrs Dale's bumboy says:

          Probably because Dave’s a 24/7 pisshead himself.

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      Tay King-dePisse says:

      I hope Ali C was able to provide La Abbott a ride home, as she would probably not be able to procure a cab.

      Of course, reformed rumpot that he is, the question of operating a motorised vehicle whilst impaired wouldn’t come up, and she’d certainly be in safe hands on that score.

      (Mind, road rage might, but hey, she’s gotta take whatever she can get– wot’s she want, egg in her beer? But hopefully for all concerned, the beer will be less dear than any other form of the devil’s brew.)

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      One Eyed Scots Idiot says:

      Hippo’s attendance is effective in warning us about the dangers of underpriced family buckets of rice “n” peas.

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    Religion of piece by piece says:

    We’ll get you while you’re assleep

    http://news.sky.com/story/1147882/up-to-50-students-killed-at-nigeria-college

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    EU Watch says:

    Apparently a blog post showed up on a military site in Greece the other day calling for military coup: (Recall Junta coup of 1967)

    http://greece.greekreporter.com/2013/09/26/special-forces-reservists-want-government-out/

    Smells a bit like a left-wing false flag.

    The military have been properly funded, shielded from the austerity that has been ongoing.

    The arrest of GD, if this does lead to civil disturbances, could persuade the army to get involved, but this is unlikely.

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    Owen Jones says:

    A fresh scandal has emerged today after it was discovered that that bastard Iain Duncan Smith’s speech writer was employed on a zero-hours contract.

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      Owen Jones's mum says:

      Don’t swear, Owen, or I won’t give you your pocket money.
      After all, you’ve done zero hours helping with the washing up this week, and you haven’t cleaned your bedroom yet.

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    Mehdi Hasan says:

    Huge turnout to save the NHS in ManchesteR for Tory conference. Iain Dale would be proud!

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    Dave"The One Term Prime Minister" Cameron says:

    Just had a mobile phone company call me offering me an iPhone for my Galaxy.

    I told them to fuck off, I’m keeping the chocolate

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    ʍȫʊʂʂȁ ҞϴџṦṦậ says:

    Being pro business used to mean something and it wasn’t that bad, it meant long termism, jobs at a fair rate of pay, apprenticeships and companies that took part in and to some degree pride in the communities around them. It used to mean that for any help and incentives they got from government was at least part repaid from the taxation they paid here in the UK.

    Now it means absolutely the opposite, certainly with regard to big business, they want to take as much as they can as fast as they can, what they don’t deprive you of in wages and reduced working conditions they take in the way of handouts from the government, paying little or none back in taxation. Caring about the society around their business? Not a hope, they couldn’t care less if the infrastructure of the UK collapses as long as they don’t have to pay any additional taxation.

    The energy companies are a prime example, notice how this governments “solution” was to reduce the number of tariffs, that didn’t mean a drop in price, how they screamed when Miliband spoke of taking on the energy companies, how the energy companies cried “blackouts” meaning blackmail………..

    Let Cameron stick up for these people, let the people of this country see yet again how this lot work, let our chancellor take the EU to court with tax payers money defending the right for bankers to have unrestricted bonuses, let St. Vince continue to turn a blind eye to the growing number of zero hours contracts and pretend “surprise” when he sees he’s out by a factor of 10.

    Decent people don’t stand a chance under this lot, you never did

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      Using the analogy of the Grand Prix, you had a racing start there but unfortunately crashed at the first bend.

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      Man from the Street says:

      I agree, but you left out the fact that mass immigration is the tool these people use to depress your wages.

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      Eee Dee eff - off says:

      One slight problem. The energy can put up the prices before an election to cover themselves for the risk of a Labour govt.

      What if market energy prices rise? Will there be an agreement that the companies can put up prices in certain conditions. Ie after an agreeable lunch and an offer of a donation?

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    Penny Red says:

    Managed to shift about 1,000 ‘Never kissed a Tory’ stickers at the demo so far. Even got the Greens in some cross party solidarity!

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    M103 says:

    Cameron says unaffordable housing is not a problem of the housing market, it’s a problem of the mortgage market. Who’s nuts?

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    Quiet Bat Person says:

    Same old Tories, playing the same old cards. The big question we need to ask ourselves is there enough disconnect between what they say and what people feel for them to lose the next election. I suspect the next election will come down to who people believe will put more money in their pockets. Zero hour contracts and falling wages will probably see the Tories fail to win but can Labour pick up enough to avoid working with the Fib Dems?

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      Casual Observer 3 says:

      It is a difficult message to get across, but if UKIP can demonstrate to people how exit of the EU, or at the least, serious UK led reform, can make people in the UK better off, then they would win.

      In essence it is simple: Cut GBP 50m / day and get in position to trade independently with the rest of the world. That is a no-brainer.

      The problem the public have though is going to be the cognitive block that the existing trade with Europe could be harmed.

      Hammering home the point that the UK imports more than it exports to Eurozone, and that this arrangement would not be impacted by an exit (as the UK is on the buy side, and Europe will not want to damage its export market unnecessarily) is the tricky part.

      The reason this is difficult is because thanks to the new Labour consumerism doctrine that was put in from 1997, people have the belief that buying things is what creates wealth, and if someone would refuse to sell to you this means you are poor.

      Totally twisted thinking.

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        Expat Geordie says:

        Don’t forget the “Rotterdam Effect”. A lot of what we export to the rest of the world goes through Rotterdam and as far as the EU is concerned is therefore an export to an EU country, regardless of where it is actually going. Bonkers of course.

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          Observer says:

          It really would be interesting to see this quantified somewhere. Any links please?

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          • Dr Strangelove says:

            Rotterdam is how the horse/beef meat got into the country I think.

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          • Expat Geordie says:

            It’s out there somewhere – I have seen the figures, honest. Trouble is that I’m buggered if I can remember where, the figures vary, depending upon your point of view, and I’m not the most IT literate person on here (meaning I seem to be unable to post a link or embed a video onto this site for some reason). I’m sure that some kind soul will provide a link though.

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          • Casual Observer 3 says:

            Rotterdam effect is an odd one: Roos consider this to be ‘Quasi-Transit’

            It is international convention to record trade as being with the country of first port of entry, rather than actual destination. If you trade with Braz!l for example, but the first port of call is US, then your trade is counted as being with the US. This is where the Rotterdam effect stems from.

            Here is 2005 HMRC report on the matter:

            https://www.uktradeinfo.com/Statistics/NonEUOverseasTrade/AboutOverseastradeStatistics/User%20support/edicom_rotterdam_effect_2005.pdf

            Eurostat required fields for compiling Intrastat and Extrstat data does not allow Triangular Trade (Transito) and Quasi-Transit flows cannot to be distinguished. Indirect trade gets even murkier.

            The 2005 changes of Regulation (EC) 1949/2005 brings Extrastat treatment into line with Intrastat from 2006. This increases asymmetries for certain transit trade.

            The report concluded that correct attribution of partner country for transit trade is a problem, which became worst up to 2005 due to separation of Intrastat and Extrastat collection systems. Correcting the situation and eliminating problems in these systems would increase burden on some businesses.

            That report references other reports as of 2005 which did highlite clear inflation of trade figures due to the Rotterdam effect. Of particular note was the level of Ch!nese imports from Holland.

            It may be impossible to quantify the precise amount of trade that the UK does with the EU, stripping out the Rotterdam Effect as the raw data appears to be lost in the statistics.

            This state of affairs makes sense if one wishes to cover the precise levels of indirect / triangular and quasi trade with remote partners, but does seem to have been hijacked by the pro-EU lobby as a claim to remain in the EU.

            The political motivation to obscure precise levels of trade of the UK with final destinations does make sense, and perhaps could be strategically sensitive.

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          • Expat Geordie says:

            Thanks CO3 – much cleverer than me.

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          • Casual Observer 3 says:

            No worries.

            If anyone tries to say that the EU accounts for X % of UK exports they are telling a lie.

            The best one can say is that X % of UK exports have first port of call at an EU port.

            The spun position is subtly conflating direct trade with transit trade, and probably ignoring completely triangular. :-)

            The new deep water port which is being built in Essex may have a significant effect on the EU trade figures if deep draft shipping can avoid making a first port of call at EU ports when carrying exports beyond the EU. This could help mitigate the Rotterdam effect.

            Will dig around to see if anything can be got from the stats. The Eurostat figures alone may be useless. Statistics showing actual source country of imported goods rather than shipping country of origin from non-EU countries will be required to get an estimate of the effect. OECD / WTO may be good sources for unbending Eurostat / UK data.

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      • 206
        Blowing Whistles says:

        CO3 – I refer you and expat (on better form today I note) to box eight above no 200 at 5:02 pm.

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  28. 56
    Guido Fawkes and his co-conspiritors says:

    Good luck & showing solidarity to everybody at the demo in Manchester today at the Tory conferenc

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  29. 60
    Michael Gove says:

    Comrades, I salute you! Show the Tories that the nhs belongs to us all.

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  30. 62
    Gay Toreee says:

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  32. 105
    Tony B. Liar says:

    Do they do one with a bleeper for when the child gets drunk and disorderly, shags someone with dreadful “celeb weathergirl” relatives, or attempts to commit suicide?

    What about one that goes off when newspaper-moghul husbands arrive home unexpectedly?

    ———————————————————
    sent from my £30m private jet satellite phone

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  33. 126

    Perhaps near the end,sadly, just what she needed!

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  34. 138
    The British media are cunts says:

    The BBC are a fucking joke. When they’re not r%ping kids they’re sneering at tory plans to help people with cancer (calling it a waste of money)

    Yet the same child r$ping scum at the BBC were today happily promoting the twisted views of another fat useless plod to legalise drugs. Not once did the BBC mention how much it would cost to provide legal smack to the crack heads, but in the world of the child r*ping BBC type that would be money well spent.

    No doubt the queue outside any legal crack head shop would be lined by overpaid BBC types (I guess if they’re in a queue they can’t be r*ping children though)

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    • 149
      The BBC cause serious mental illness says:

      You only need to look at QT last week.

      Someone pointed out here:

      http://order-order.com/2013/09/26/vote-for-owen-jones/#comment-1875537

      Will Self said energy markets were unworkable as energy is non fungible.

      This passed completely unchallenged, both on the Twitter feed, and in the program. Important as this related to Miliband’s price capping schtick.

      Fungible: Good whose individual units are interchangeable.

      Energy most certainly is a fungible good, which is why markets exist in it and function quite well.

      What is not fungible in the energy markets are the transports. You cannot use a power cable to deliver gas, or a gas pipe to deliver electricity. Similarly, generating plant is not fungible either. A nuke power station cannot produce gas, or start consuming gas to produce electricity.

      One can see here not only the ignorance of the panel being demonstrated, but that the chair or even the fact checkers online did not pick up is quite worrying on a discussion about a fundamental property of goods which are suitable for free market trading.

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      • 161

        The majority of viewers probably thought that fungible was some sort of mushroom.

        Very appropriate since they would prefer to be kept in the dark.

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        • 170
          The BBC cause serious mental illness says:

          I guess either way, the majority of the audience would have rightly concluded that Will Self was talking sh!t.

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          • Anonymous says:

            At least, and at last, someone with the the balls to break the rules and question the so-called “War on Terror”.

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      • 166
        REALWORLDER says:

        Does nobody realise most of our energy supplies are now dictated by foreigners,EDF will
        own most of the nuclear power stations and Putins gangsters will very soon have complete control over the gas pipelines.
        The EU commissars will dictate so called green taxes and VAT levels, the only hope is to develop our own shale gas industry, and then tell the EU precisely how far to fuck off.
        The deluded idiot Millband must have known this when he made his ridiculous promise at the last labour love in.

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  35. 141
    The British media are cunts says:

    When it was the Liebore conference last week the Sunday airwaves were full of lefty types with not a Tory in sight.

    Now it’s the Tory conference the Sunday airwaves are full of…..yep same lefties.

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    • 144
      Anonymous says:

      I noticed that also. I expected to see the Tories but its just lefties and never does the interviewer ask the question we all want asked of the leftie and ignores the hypocrisy f te left also

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    • 145
      REALWORLDER says:

      The same arseholes saying how they intend to squander even more of our money than the current set of EU loving gang of sodomites , thieves and traitors who now pass themselves off as the Government.

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      • 234
        Working For Uncle Sam says:

        Then again, does no one here worry that the Con-Dems are willing to squander tens of billions of our money on useless (US made and controlled) Weapons of Mass Destruction?

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  36. 148
    Hateful little man clone says:

    Why is Tony Blair giving a speech now as Chairman of the Conservative Party?. I had to turn off immediately

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  37. 157
    Bill Quango MP - 9 says:

    Merchandise for sale in the Ed Moribund shop.

    – energy price caps – available in Eco-green
    – Lego wind farm..3 beautiful rotating sails windmills. ( requires connection to national grid and independent energy supply to turn)
    – ‘ I love The 70s’ badge and jeans patch and sheepskin waistcoat and “red” Stewart “if you think I’m geeky” tartan scarf. – mullets also available.
    – ed Miliband wooden puppet. (McCluskey controller sold separately)
    – “he ain’t leader, he’s my brother” t/shirt.
    – Mickey Mouse policy paper
    – our world famous Luciana, build-a-Berger, odd looking Labour women dolls.
    Range of outfits from Jacqui Smith plastic hooker macs to Diane Abbott health minister xxxl sweatpants.
    Range of Sally Barecow bed sheets (slightly shop soiled)
    – babies washable nappies- with the Gordy Bear logo and “I’ve smeared in here like Damien McBride.”

    And other toys
    – bouncy Balls balls.
    – mini Yvette Coopers
    – chukker Umanna egg
    – Harriet’s Harman is an Angry Bird.
    – PFI the boardgame – the hilarious family game of boom and bust
    – John Prescott’s hungry,hungry hippos.

    All our clothing is available in colours
    Gordon Brown
    Red Ed
    Hazel Blears
    Or
    Hain orange.

    So call into the Labour shop today.
    And visit our beer and sandwiches Unite cafe. membership required. ( Don’t worry if you are not a member- You may already have been singed up without your knowledge.)

    Moribunds – the store that’s as light on you pocket as it is on ideas.

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  38. 162
    Voter Bribe Policies Scorecard says:

    %age of Public Impressed by Policy:

    Short-term Energy Price Freeze: 100%
    Taxpayer Underwritten Mortgages: 2.69%

    Score:

    Labour 1, Tories 0

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    • 171
      REALWORLDER says:

      LABOUR 1 Taxpayers 0

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      • 175
        Red Ed is a total nutcase says:

        100% incorrect I think its barmy. I suggest the other 99% go and buy candles as by the time this Marxist twat has finished there will be no energy left to freeze only 99% left to freeze
        The investment will be removed and the lights are going out. Welcome to the 1970’s under Labour while I sat and did my homework by candlelight.

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        • 177
          The BBC cause serious mental illness says:

          The BBC would have you believe that global warming will stop you from freezing. And don’t burn candles as this will kill polar bears.

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    • 174
      Dave really should resign now says:

      If Dave spent an afternoon on mumsnet, and rejigged some policies to fit views and concerns expressed there: Landslide.

      Has he not figured out what Miliband does when Ed is not plotting the destruction of capitalism ?

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      • 181
        The Power Couple says:

        Mumsnet run by Guardianista Justine Roberts wife of Ex Guardian Editor and now News Night Editor Ian Katz.

        Dave should steer well clear of that place.

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  39. 169
    MPs not Welcome says:

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    • 172
      REALWORLDER says:

      If only the twats MEANT it

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      • 190
        Ynot says:

        I think there’s a mistake here – the poster should read four hardworking people – the tories have killed off the rest

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    • 173
      Dave really should resign now says:

      It is disturbingly close to: Arbeit macht frei.

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      • 176
        Marxist crap next the gulag for not paying he telly tax says:

        It is no where near that statement which translated means work sets you free. Only a twisted left wing mong could attempt to make a connection which is why the BBC will spend days doing so no doubt.

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        • 178
          The BBC cause serious mental illness says:

          One suspects the BBC may make a big thing about Tories getting spazzed and the large number of bars as per posts above, and Guido’s tweet.

          Hunch is triggered by Labour’s sudden aversion to the demon drink.

          Would be very funny if Cameron plays a tactical card and makes the bars alcohol free this year…

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          • REALWORLDER says:

            HE JUST MIGHT it would be a typical PC gesture to go with the arse fucking sucking up to muslims and all the global warming shit .
            Also it would endear him to the health fascists ,and the rest of the interfering bores that so contaminate our lives.

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        • 191
          Ynot says:

          you’re an idiot – so you must be a tory

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    • 183

      Why, in the name of all that is noodly, are all these party conferences held in mini-socialist republics?

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      • 186
        Bill Turnbull says:

        Don’t know. And why is Dave building a new train line so that the Beeboids can get to work in Manchester 10 minutes earlier?

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  40. 187
    WTF ? says:

    WTF is going on at The Daily Mail ? http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/?p=14620

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    • 198
      Casual Observer 3 says:

      When the next false flag kicks off, expect to see the Monday Morning cartoon from this blog held up as evidence.

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  41. 188
    Ynot says:

    skynews is reporting a cure for skin cancer
    pity they can’t find a cure for the cancer that is the conservative party

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    • 195
      The NHS Isn't All Its Cracked Up to Be says:

      That wouldn’t be the cure for cancer that Gordon promised would it? So that’s what he’s been up to for the last few years.

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    • 199
      REALWORLDER says:

      Or the worse cancers of rampant welfarism , the dependency culture , drugs , crime
      poor education, mass immigration, politicised police, and the general corruption that has been Labours legacy.

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  42. 192
    Ynot says:

    ARBEIT MACHT FREI – welcome to tory conference

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  43. 193
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    I see Islam loving windmill Dave is giving away £200/year to married couples.

    Oh how generous i hear you say.

    But seeing as he and the Tories are in the pockets of the greedy profiteering energy companies, you will soon be paying an extra £500/year for your leccy & gas.

    So you will be £300/year worse of under the Tories.

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    • 197
      Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

      *worse off

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    • 204
      REALWORLDER says:

      Dont you get it? The energy companies must buy most of their gas from foreigners,
      Putins gangsters now control the pipelines for most of the gas consumed in the west,

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    • 205
      Blowing Whistles says:

      As I stated somewhat of above ‘Did the Reign of Terror (1997 – 2010) really end’ or are is Camezero just an entrail of blairs heir? Think of how the public are being pushed one way or the other – when either way the public are fooled into getting the same as before?

      It is the last week of the ‘On the road Comedy Circuses’ – but do not be deflected to the impending implosion of the EU. Who’s Accountable? What fucking accounts?

      The White Elephant in the room that not even the msm dare mention – why would that be?

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  44. 210
    Dr Strangelove says:

    The thing is everything doesn’t have to be like this.
    all the Industrial stuff can be put somewhere like Birmingham or the Isle of Wight and the rest of the country left to grow as a green and pleasant amusement park. We can get rid of these silly spinning things and make lots of nuclear power stations, we might even be able to sell some of the excess to Ireland as we want them to be our mates.
    We could make a university whose purpose was to discover stuff.
    We would have to be quite strict about who was in our Utopia as we only want people who are friendly. If everybody was really friendly the bossy people could probably be reduced to 4 or 5 as almost everybody would volunteer to contribute income to help out.
    And we might be able to do something about the excise duty and let people distill their own schnapps for christmas and that.

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  45. 211
    Come on you Greens says:

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  46. 220
    Jimmy says:

    Well I suppose the one undisputed part of her legacy is her charming and attractive children.

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  47. 223
    Anonymous says:

    All the leftist public-sector parasites will be out with their placards, then.

    Monday is a working day for most people, but not if you’re sucking on the tax-payer teat.

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