September 26th, 2013

Blair Suddenly Silent on Energy

Excellent reverse psychology from Mandelson today, who has done Ed a massive favour by coming out against his energy cap policy. Now it seems Tony Blair agrees with him. A man you cannot usually shut up, has suddenly gone all coy:

 “It seemed to go down very well and was excellently delivered. But I’m not going to comment on the policy”

It’s the kindest thing he could do to help Ed build support…


135 Comments

  1. 1
    Shooty* says:

    … explain?

  2. 2
    Sunny Jim says:

    The only word I want to hear Blair ever say again is “Guilty”, as he stands at The Hague at his war crimes trial.

  3. 3
    Nobby says:

    Rest assured if he supported it he would have said so. This is a variant of the non denial denial. The non criticism criticism

  4. 4
    Sandra in Accounts says:

    What will the political elites do when those that vote for their living actually outnumber those that work for a living?

    Vote UKIP.

  5. 5
    Labour isn't working says:

    Yet another Labour ” policy” jotted down on the back of
    a fag packet.
    Whenever Labour ministers have been questioned about
    the details of their grand pronouncements,they’ve gone
    all coy.

  6. 6
    Colonel Mustard says:

    Blair’s lesson that you win elections on the centre ground has been forgotten as Miliband fights a desperate rearguard action to shore up his left flank with policies to union leaders, benefit claimants and socialists.

  7. 7
    I d on't n eed no d octor says:

    Guido vs Margaret Hodge Guido lost
    Guido vs Claire Perry Guido lost

  8. 8
    Greenpiss says:

    Labours pals in the green lobby are also noticeable by their absence.
    I would have thought they would have had something negative to say about Miliband’s policy.
    I mean cheaper fuel would mean higher consumption right?

  9. 9
    I d on't n eed no d octor says:

    Is Caroline Flint currently the most annoying labour MP. She comes over as bitter and twisted. Do something about your hair dear!

  10. 10

    The Liebour Party is on its way back to its very old roots!

  11. 11
    Penfold says:

    Damned by faint praise……

  12. 12
    Stephen Hawking (About Time) says:

    You can now change Bank Accounts faster than it takes Guido to announce the winners of his caption comps.

  13. 13
    Casual Observer 3 says:

    Theory may be: Mandy and Blair appear to be against this it will build support in the party for Ed’s silly policy pushing him into a corner.

    The policy is a dog and if Ed is forced to u turn after getting party support it will likely destroy his credibility and trigger replacement.

    Blairites will be waiting in the wings to take over and suggest a more workable policy.

    This assumes that energy costs really are a big public issue.

    Is part of battle between Blairite and Brownite faction within Labour which we are not meant to be aware of.

  14. 14
    Living in 98.221% white Merseyside says:

    Everyone is mentioning the threesome – Mandy, Big Al and that nice Mr Blair.

    Are they going to make a comeback?

    I’d love an engineered boom to live out my final years.
    Of course that all depends if I make it to 2015.

  15. 15
    The Flying Spaghetti Machine says:

    Divide and conquer.

    Could McBride be the spoiler ??? :-)

  16. 16
    Living in 98.221% white Merseyside says:

    And the sisterhood. Page Three?

  17. 17
    Out of order-order says:

    No wonder you get m0dded so often!

  18. 18
    Tone says:

    I’m way too busy sorting out the Middle East- going well, since you ask- to bother about domestic trivia

  19. 19
    Boris Carloffe says:

    I think that Millibrain should be made a Lord as soon as possible for the huge service he has done this country.

    When he looses the 2015 election it is only right and proper to do so as he has created a situation where his comrades will not see power in a generation

  20. 20
    Voter says:

    Newsnight gathered a teenage focus group on the issue of lowering the voting age to 16.
    Forgive me if I do a Michael Crick but I couldn’t fail to notice all the participants were Black or Asian.
    Fair enough this group did want to see welfare spending reduced but somehow I don’t think that would be enough reason for them to vote Conservative.
    Labour’s policy of social engineering to gain votes was there for all to see last night.

  21. 21
    Err says:

    Thought you didn’t read the Sun up there

  22. 22
    schoolboy miliband says:

    hope teacher does not get me to explain the energy needed to build and install a wind generator versus electricity available.

    I can do that sort of thing.

    hope teacher does not get me to explain equipment and man power needed to maintain one of these things.

    wished i had not listened to the water melons.

    i going to get blown away if the journo get told and ask like teacher.

  23. 23
    Err says:

    THat’s because it’s so difficult to find a white youth these days. Stand outside any school gate.

  24. 24
    Damian McFuckup says:

    So the architects of New Labour, Mandelson and Blair were really right-wing (libertarian) free-market shills and anarchists who were both remarkably relaxed about the extremely wealthy – and indeed about becoming extremely wealthy.

    Clause iv moment my arse!

  25. 25
    Steve Miliband says:

    Is this a picture of the Asda Mental Health fancy dress?

  26. 26
    Damian McFuckup says:

    Virtually impossible in Londonistan!

  27. 27
    Err says:

    Haven’t you noticed all those longevity charts. Move to Surrey…Quick

  28. 28
    Blowing Whistles says:

    This ‘report’ due out friday from the IPCC about Climate Change – is nothing but further attempts at scaremongering. [See Telegraph 25/9/13 pg 8 ‘Climate change risks underestimated in UN report, claims peer’]

    The peer in question being Lord Stern who wrote an ‘influential’ [?] report back in 2007.

    His claims now are of on the backfoot and desperate to create more warnings of dire consequences.

    The whole global warming Orthodoxy and those who ‘want to believe it’ is bunkum – You have not fooled anyone but yourselves – on your listing and holed ship of cognitive dissonance.

  29. 29
    Voter says:

    That is my point isn’t it?

  30. 30
    I hope Blair gets 40 types of cancer says:

    No one except the most blinkered and stupid tribalist drone believes the government, whichever party, can impose price controls. Energy prices ARE too high but Labour did fuck all for 13 years in talking to energy firms. They were happy for prices to go up because it was the era of Labour crony capitalism.

  31. 31
    Fatbott's Orgy of delight says:

  32. 32
    Purple Tie Watch says:

    See Above.

  33. 33
    The EU is croques (de merde) monsieur says:

    WE know what Red Ed’s game is. He is determined to stifle any investment growth before the next election with his lunatic plans to nationalise everything in sight including the ground you walk on.

  34. 34
    I d on't n eed no d octor says:

    It’s my sad, pathetic, and childish way of getting back at Guido for modding perfectly good comments. It also brightens up my miserable life.

  35. 35
    The EU is croques (de merde) monsieur says:

    Energy prices are indeed too high. Look at the price of oil. And that price is not caused by speculators or energy companies but by the Q.E. drug of western governments, which is intentionally devaluing the currencies of the UK , the USA and the euro.

  36. 36
    REALWORLDER says:

    Of course they where black and asian ,it was just another opportunity to rub our noses in diversity, anything else would have been RACIST!!!!!!!

  37. 37
    It got too cheap says:

    They aren’t too high historically. It’s that they got stupidly low 90’s and 2000’s. Go back from then and very few could afford to have more than one room lit or outside lights and no one would have even contemplated Crimbo lights in the garden.

  38. 38
    The man is evil says:

    Death by an ingrowing bumhair would be to good for that C*nt.

  39. 39
    A Non sense says:

    Price control is a very blunt instrument but at least Ed’s speech has put enerygy rip-offs into the spotlight and shwon up most of the media (including Guido) for what it is – a mouthpiece for the global fat cats. Remember for your average punter on £25,000 energy now consumes roughly one month’s pay (after tax, NI etc etc) per year. There will never be any kind of recovery if people are squeezed between high taxes and rip off prices for the basics in life: food, shelter and heating.

  40. 40
    Bastards...Fucking parasitic Bastards says:

  41. 41
    Abbottista says:

    Labour are at war with the moderate wing now in guerilla fights with the hard left

  42. 42
    I d on't n eed no d octor says:

    Thicko Abbott. You can freeze your energy price now, yes now! Don’t wait until the next election because a). labour will not win, b). it won’t happen.

    So that’s one billion pounds Miliband has wiped off the energy companies share price. So how many job losses can be expected?

    Socialism taking the country down. Britain can do better without the labour party!

  43. 43
    Let them freeze says:

    You sir work for Bristish Gas – taking care of your world….and bonus and profits

  44. 44
    I d on't n eed no d octor says:

    The unelected.

  45. 45
    Snarf says:

    So, judging by the tan, it would seem the hippo is a Brown-ite.

  46. 46
    Window Taxidermy says:

    Um sorry mate but he hasn’t planned to nationalsie anything – more’s the pitty

  47. 47
    Usual Suspects says:

  48. 48
    Fuck the LibLabCon says:

    A 20 month freeze on energy price rises is hardly the end of laissez-faire capitalism is it?

    The lumpen proles won’t be fooled by this psuedo socialist policy.

    Ed is really just a another free-market pushing right-wing shill. He is not so much a copper bottomed, more plastic socialist.

    It’s just more psuedo regulation which is in essence just more stealthy deregulation -> economic anarchism by the back door.

  49. 49
    Casual Observer 3 says:

    You are forgetting Ed Balls who was another important architect of New Labour.

    Ed, Mandelson and Blair are not right wing they are centerist.

    They are not libertarian either. Blair is an anti-libertarian populist. Laissez-faire does not necessarily mean freedom.

    The New Labour project is a mildly authoritarian centrist communitarian construction.

    Recall Blairs ‘Third Way’.

  50. 50
    Brian Cox says:

    But only faster in a relative sense.

  51. 51
    Snarf says:

    See 117 in post below. Might help…

  52. 52
    Sunny Jim says:

    Good point, well made

  53. 53
    The EU is croques (de merde) monsieur says:

    All these labels and terminology are worthless. Really they were all just a bunch of incompetent twats.

  54. 54
    Snarf says:

    Perhaps they have all fracked off.

  55. 55
    The Flying Spaghetti Machine says:

    How much land is under Lord Stern’s control, and how many windmills are sited on that land ? :-)

  56. 56
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    Centrica shares have fallen 5% already.

    The markets have already factored in a Labour victory in 2015.

    The Tories need to get shot of Islam loving windmill Dave, the Julia Gillard of the Tory party and replace him with a Tony Abbott style leader before it’s too late.

  57. 57
    G4S rah rah rah says:

  58. 58
    Snarf says:

    … but then he’d have to read the Sun!

  59. 59
    The Chuky Chick says:

  60. 60
    The EU is croques (de merde) monsieur says:

    True. Cameron could have ditched Ed Miliband’s 15% green energy tax on all household energy bill but the coalition would have fallen had he done so (not that he wanted to).

  61. 61
    Snarf says:

    If you loiter outside a school gate these days you are likely to get your collar felt!

  62. 62
    Snarf says:

    Didn’t see it, but I wonder was the interviewer a white middle aged male (orientation irrelevant)

  63. 63
    1.21 Gigawatts of Stupidity says:

    Ed’s in his Delorean. He’s hitting 88 MPH. He’s going Back to the… Past?

  64. 64
    Fuck the LibLabCon says:

    You’re talking bollocks!

    Since when did Ed announce that he will nationalise anything. He would disappear faster than Lord Lucan if he ever did that (or end up being subjected to a “Michael Foot” hatchet job/smear campaign from the Murdoch press)

    New Labour continued the deregulation policies of the chosen one Keith Joseph, oops, I meant Margaret Thatcher. Part chosen one Mandelson was the architect of New Labour’s continuation of those deregulation policies ref clause iv etc and the emasculation of the BoE and the FSAs responsibilities for financial prudence aka regulation.

  65. 65
    The EU is croques (de merde) monsieur says:

    I may be wrong but I think the latest idiotic plans by Red Ed have just lost him the next election.

  66. 66
    Ma­qboul says:

    If there really is a cartel then there are laws to deal with that. Again, the policticians blaming the private sector for the faults of government.

    By far the highest component of energy prices is tax. Reduce the size of the state and you can reduce tax. Reduced tax means lower energy costs.

    But of course, Turkeys never vote for Christmas.

  67. 67
    Miliband needs to do nothing and he'll STILL be PM in 2015 says:

    Trouble is that Labour have to do nothing at their present 36% in the polls and still get an overall majority of 62 in 2015 whereas Cameron and Tories have a mountain to climb and all those ex-Tory voters voting UKIP will do nothing to ensure a firmer stance on Europe of achieve an in/out referendum…all they’ll do is ensure that labour and Miliband are the new tenants of No10 on the morning of 8 may 2015

  68. 68
    Putin Watch says:

    Britain is a small island nobody pays any attention to..”

    Somebody should send Mr. Putin a DVD of ” Science Britannica ” for Christmas.

    As Brian Cox said “ some small Islands”

    As I say “ Some small man”

  69. 69
    The Elephant in the Room. says:

    I am the Elephant that no one will admit to.

    I am the Green Subsidy.

    I make rich men richer

    I make poor people poorer

  70. 70
    BBC 24 Hr rolling bollocks says:

    Environmentalists predict that between 2015-17 Britain’s carbon emission’s will rise but not to worry as it would only be a temporary blip as a result of Labour’s election victory.
    Former minister for the environment and climate change, Ed Miliband said,
    “I think in the interests of the labour party the climate can go fuck itself”

  71. 71
    Blowing Whistles says:

    The whole global warming orthodoxy – is but to coin an American phrase:-

    ‘A bum steer’ [many puns intended – inc the dictionary old English of steer as a castrated bullock – i.e. who’s got no ….s?]

  72. 72
    Snarf says:

    … and unwanted too

  73. 73
    George Galloway says:

    It’s all going well £80,000 and rising. http://tinyurl.com/o4uqnr2

  74. 74
    REALWORLDER says:

    If cowardly Cameron had any bollocks we could have an election before Christmas,and purge the government of Clegg’s gang and put Milliband on the back foot ,or is he to afraid of UKIP.

  75. 75
    Red Ed says:

    OH, I’ve many more to come yet.

    Have YouGov done a poll since my Speech ( without a script ) yet?

  76. 76
    The EU is croques (de merde) monsieur says:

    Hardly bollocks when the energy companies will end up as bankrupt as the banks thanks to irresponsible government regulation of the type he is planning. And the plans to steal land from private property owners is another way of bringing land into state ownership. It is just early evidence of communism creep from a communist creep.

  77. 77
    Crooked iranian cunt says:

    Piece of shit deserves to die.

  78. 78
    Go get em James says:

  79. 79
    Anonymous says:

    The only reason energy bills are so high is because of the massive subsidies they include for renewables. Miliband E signed us up to reduce carbon emissions by 80% by 2050 a completely impossible target; unless of course we all want to go back to the Stone Age.

  80. 80
    Lexander says:

    I want to know about Mandy’s current boy friend. One never reads anything about his love life these days. He still gives men that “flirty” look and now, at his age, could be getting desperate and a bit dirtier.

  81. 81
    Ma­qboul says:

    Wrong. Supply will merely be cut off. Do you think an energy company will increase supply if it does not make a profit? It will sell elsewhere but it certainly won’t be increasing sales in a loss making market; quite the reverse.

  82. 82
    Symbolism of color purple says:

    a) Purple is the color of mourning or death in many cultures (U.K., Italy, Thailand, Brazil)

    b) Among the seven deadly sins, it represents vanity. It is a color which is designed to attract attention

    c) Purple is the hardest color for the eye to discriminate, and is associated with ambiguity.

    d) Among Mediterranean people, purple was reserved for emperors and popes. The Japanese christened it “Imperial Purple” Purple is associated with Royalty and Piety.

    e) The only national flag to contain purple as a color is that of the island of Dominica.

  83. 83
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    It’s not rocket science.

    The party leader who goes on TV and denounces man-made climate change as a massive scam/fraud and that they will sweep away all this expensive green energy nonsense, in favour of cheap energy, will win a monumental landslide in 2015.

  84. 84
    Voter says:

    The interviewer was white,thirty something who thought he could talk Jive in a pool hall

  85. 85
    Casual Observer 3 says:

    No, Ed is just going to drive straight into the brick wall.

  86. 86
    Philip Lawrence's widow says:

    Or stabbed by one of the immigrant school kids if you happen to be a teacher.

  87. 87
  88. 88
    An anarchist says:

    DON’T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!

  89. 89
    Casual Observer 3 says:

    No, Ed is just going to dr!ve straight into the brick wall.

  90. 90
    Dick Head says:

  91. 91
    Circular arguments of the left says:

    You’re in denial !

  92. 92
    David Bellamy says:

    They wouldn’t make it to the 2015 GE…look what happened to my career when all I did was merely query climate change “science”!

  93. 93
    It's A Knobout says:

    Jailed former BBC broadcaster Stuart Hall being investigated by Lancashire Police over fresh allegations

  94. 94
    Blowing Whistles says:

    There is a Chil …cot in the air and one wonders if the blairites are desperate to regain control of the party to somehow stifle what is really going on in the background?

    Horsetrading anybody?

  95. 95
    rick says:

    “Britain is a small island nobody pays any attention to..”

    Putin is absolutely correct. It was our ancestors who made Britain great – not the present weak, insecure PC generation who have given away everything previous generations built and stood for.

  96. 96
    Gribbo says:

    And your accent. Estuary is braindead.

  97. 97
    Joe and Josie Public says:

    Will Ed put a cap on the Water and Sewage Bills? — These cost us half as much as the electricity — also a freeze on Sainsbury and Tesco bread and baked beans would be very helpful. If not, why not?

    We await your response, Eds & Co

  98. 98
    Sir William Waid says:

    What about having a rationsl energy policy, based on the laws of physics rather than prejudice and pixie dust?

  99. 99

    Soon, no socket will deliver enough power to re-charge such faint praise.

  100. 100
    Comoing soon to every town in Britain says:

    And get your iPad and phone nicked by Roma.

  101. 101
    Fuck the LibLabCon says:

    And with over £30k for George Galloway to pocket too, nice work if you can get it.

  102. 102
    REALWORLDER says:

    A battle between Blairites and Brownites ? do you mean between one gang of treacherous left wing scumbags and another. All at our expense!!!!

  103. 103
    CCHQ draft conference speech (leaked) says:

    With effect from midnight:

    1. Borders closed. All those on the way will be told to return whence they came. Illegals and over-stayers etc to be rounded up and shipped off out.

    2. All Green taxes and subsidies abolished. Mrs Cam’s dad might not like that; tough. Airline ‘green’ uplift charges to be abolished. Dept of Climate change to be dissolved.

    3. Total benefits not to exceed 19,500 pounds a year per family. Work or starve – your choice.

    4. Fuel escalator abolished along with iniquitous taxation level. Petrol and diesel priced nationwide at 70 a litre, more than enough for oilcos to make handsome profits and enable people to get to work without skinting themselves in the process. Transport companies/organisations also get immediate benefit from new rate.

    5. Personal income tax to start at 20,000; all child benefits scrapped. You want kids, you pay for them.

    6. Taxation system simplified, doing away with tax credit refund nonsense, and employers NI contributions making it cheaper to employ people.

    7. BBC broadcasting licence withdrawn and stations closed. Telly tax abolished. Licence holders can go to nearest post office to receive cashback of 12 quid for each uncompleted full month on the licence. BBC to organise sell off in readiness for privatisation. New service to be by voluntary subscription only. You want it – you pay for it (without threat of prison for not wanting to watch it).

    8. Serious efforts at depoliticising the police and CPS. Party placemen to be removed asap.

    9. Inform Barosso and co they can whistle for their daily contribution.

    10. Aid budget cancelled and ODA dissolved.

    That will do for now. Time for lunch.

  104. 104
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    So the voters will reject a party offering lower energy bills?

  105. 105
    Fuck the LibLabCon says:

    Jolly good show, keep sticking it to the watermelons James.

  106. 106

    Sounds good but a social democratic Conservative party will never deliver any of that even given a thousand years.

  107. 107
    Fuck the LibLabCon says:

    I like the cut of your jib.

  108. 108
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    What the hell are you trying to do, win the Tories a 500 seat majority?

  109. 109
    REALWORLDER says:

    The energy prices are in the hands of foreign owners of the gas pipelines and nuclear power stations RED ED would have no power at all to influence them one bit. I wish someone would get that through their thick skulls

  110. 110
    Fuck the LibLabCon says:

    I would have thought a ‘social democratic conservative party’ is an oxymoron.

  111. 111
    Daddy Milliband says:

    So glad to see sonny boy following my Marxist principles.

  112. 112
    EU Funded Pro-EU Troll says:

    Vote UKIP

  113. 113
    Anonymous says:

    Excellent you have my vote. Shame turkeys don’t vote for Christmas

  114. 114
  115. 115
    No one flies from Cardiff Airport, Its crap. says:

    It seemed quite warm for the time of year yesterday.
    How much evidence do you need?

  116. 116
    geordieboy says:

    Piss off back to your sun tan lounge Peter

  117. 117
    Casual Observer 3 says:

    Between two heads of the same hydra, yes.

  118. 118
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    and unforgivable

  119. 119
    geordieboy says:

    Or get your arse felt by a peado.

  120. 120
    Casual Observer 3 says:

    @BW: Global warming is not needed anymore as energy demands can be met using new found sources. Research into new methods of production and increasing efficiency should be continued, but not at the wholesale expense of the individual.

    @EU’Croques: The terminology is only important for a certain degree of technical precision. When the terms are understood, the higher level thinking can be framed.

    When that is understood, the enemy is understood, and the strategy for defeating the enemy can be found. The main strategy involves knowing where to attack and how. If one does not understand what is actually going on it is not possible to open debate, let alone construct and argument against.

    They are not a bunch of incompetents. That is just a smokescreen, a preparation to allow those who have done harm to exit without being held accountable.

  121. 121
    Bethan(I ll have a large one please) Jenkins. says:

    Where are you standing?
    You ve got my vote.

  122. 122
    Casual Observer 3 says:

    They should sacrifice Blair and Campbell.

    Blair is just the figure head. Behind the scenes the ‘Blairite’ movement will continue. They just need a new salesman. Perhaps they have already given up on Chucka though.

  123. 123

    Whilst, of course, you are quite correct, you only have to look at what the current shambles, which used to be the great party of Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill, has become to recognise that an oxymoron is the only way to satisfactorily characterise it!

  124. 124
    George Galloway says:

    No, i hate Blair with a passion and want to him in the Hague.

  125. 125
    Anonymous says:

    I’m worried that would put Ukip on the back foot.

  126. 126
    Democrat1 says:

    Let us not forget Chukka – the gift that keeps giving. Last night on Sky when being questioned about Ed’s price freeze and the utility companies he said, ‘there has been underinvestment in infrastructure for the past 15 years’.

    The fact that Labour had been in power, uninterrupted, for the vast majority of that time seemed to escape him.

  127. 127
    Only chavs shop at Tesco says:

    If you really think Mandelbum is a left winger you should be in the same psychiatric unit as our own, unbeloved Anonymous, le fuckwit du mois. Mandelbummer is a money-grabbing slimeball with the morals of a freshwater crocodile and the honesty of a Roma pick-pocket. He circles the remnants of NuLiabore voyeuristically, sticking in an oar here and there, all the while lining his Savile Row pockets with sums approaching those amassed by Tony and the gorgeous Slot-Gob.

  128. 128
  129. 129
    damned impertnent questions says:

    In Labour these days having Blair support you is like using Adolf Hitler as a referee. Strange for a former PM who was a success unlike all the miserable failures that have followed – Ed included

  130. 130
    Tom Catesby says:

    One question arose from the announcement that some of the major energy companies are freezing their prices till 2017, which on the face of it, appears to have shot Milliband’s fox. If, as the energy companies insisted, a freeze by a Labour Gov’t, would inhibit,investment, growth,’restructuring’ etc and has already effected share price. What effect will a voluntary freeze, if genuine, have on these areas of concern?

  131. 131
    cynic says:

    Buried deep.

  132. 132
    Tom Catesby says:

    That’s more than turned up for the olympic games!

  133. 133
    Anonymous says:

    What “battle” was that? For they truly were “two cheeks of the same (New Labour) Arse.

  134. 134
    Anonymous says:

    Left and Right unite and fight – Tony Blair?

  135. 135
    Madog says:

    Anyone notice Gove on Question Time last night saying that Government had “already legislated” to make sure we get lowest tariff. Have I missed something? I thought this was just an off the cuff remark from Cameron that went no further!


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