September 13th, 2013

LibDem Lords Bitch Fight: Ashdown v Oakeshott

Matthew Oakeshott managed to surprise a grand total of zero people with his pre-conference call for Nick Clegg to be ousted in House magazine:

“It’s nothing personal. We need to face facts. There’s quite a lot of complacency and self-delusion going on. It’s very important to maximise our national share of the vote to give our MPs the best chance. We have to accept that Nick’s ratings have been poor and have been for a long time.”

Something Paddy Ashdown hasn’t taken too well:

“I saw a wonderful tweet today on the subject, which says ‘in autumn the leaves fall, the swallows leave and Matthew Oakeshott flaps in squawking from cloud-cuckoo land’. He must have been the only party member who didn’t man the phones over Eastleigh. Matthew will say these things; it’s his way of getting a bit of attention to himself from time to time. He’s a formidable debater and a very smart guy in a one liner, but the best one liner I heard is the tweet.”

Good luck deciding who to back in that one…


160 Comments

  1. 1

    Well I like Ashdown, but then again I also like Oakeshott, but which one’s best?

    There’s only one way to find out…..FIGHT!

  2. 2
    Tim Farton, President of the Cockroach Party says:

    THIS WOULD BE HELL ON EARTH…..

  3. 3
    Andy Burnthem (1200 deaths and counting) says:

    Fuckwit vs Halfwit.

  4. 4
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    Pointless. Ashdown, even today, could flatten Cameron, Miliband and half the Cabinet with one hand tied behind his back. I heard a lovely story of Ashdown asking Hague about his times on the erg(indoor rower) and nearly choking with laughter when Hague disclosed them (apparently thinking they were good).

  5. 5
    Anonymous says:

    Poor old pantsdown, he desperately needs a war to fight.

  6. 6
    PC Dixon says:

    “He’s a formidable debater and a very smart guy” – don’t be daft – he’s a prat -

  7. 7
    Lord Touchcloth says:

    Today I’ll be mostly taking a shit

  8. 8
    Paddy Pantsdown says:

    Get a life, Bumley.

  9. 9
    Anonymous says:

    Oakeshotts problem is being far to clever for himself.

    He should have simply stuck to the truth and called Nick Clegg a fcuking utter cnut and lying war monger.

    It would be harder to argue with and much better received by everyone.

  10. 10
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    Ashdown was scoring Oakeshott on the Gove Scale. On this scale Gobby = 1, a Geordie football fan focused on his beer scores a MegaGove and Oakeshott fits somewhere in between.

  11. 11
    Fuck the LibLabCon says:

    I see we have another set of honor killings in Leicester today.

    http://tinyurl.com/pz4maho

  12. 12
    Lord Oakshit says:

    Cockroach Orange. Wasn’t there a film of that name, warning of the dystopia which would visit upon Britain if we ever had the LibDems back after 2015 ?

  13. 13
    Lord #Ashcroft says:

    I’ve recently discovered that diarrhoea is hereditary, it seems to run in my jeans!

  14. 14
    The Loony Left says:

    Celebrate the rich, multicultural diversity !

  15. 15
    Lateral Thinking says:

    Are Labour going to publish the Falkirk report ?

  16. 16
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    Exactly the words of Lady Fenella when I told her I had found the Dickens dossier and would pass it on to the Plod (or did she say ‘get a new identity – you’ll need it?’).

  17. 17
    Mark Oateη says:

    Eccellente with these chocolates you are spoiling us :)

  18. 18
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    Are the Home Office going to disclose the Dickens Dossier?

  19. 19
    Calamity Clegg, Chief Cockroach says:

    Thanks for not mentioning the LibDem Tuition Fees pledge. :)

  20. 20
    The Labour Party says:

    Only when KateMcCann wins baby-sitter of the year award

  21. 21
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    The slogan for the charity sumo match between Uncle Eric and Bollox Balls?

  22. 22
    What a plonker. says:

    Two silly old sods who will not grow old gracefully and retire.

  23. 23
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    Well, if the Dickens Dossier was the truth and anyone can connect Kate and the names in the dossier, she should have every chance at babysitter of the year.

  24. 24
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    And your connection with Grunt Shitts is?

  25. 25
    Panstdown is a parasitic non-entity says:

    Isn’t it time the smug retard Pantsdown got a proper job or just retired?

  26. 26

    It does feel a bit “look at me look at me”, like being out with a OAP who shits themself in public on purpose just for the attention

  27. 27
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    Deadman Stiff and Graything?

  28. 28
    jmf says:

    Its Talking Shite V Talking Shite all you need is to throw Tim Farron into the ring.

  29. 29
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    Of course Ashdown is one of the few parliamentarians who has had a proper job. Royal Marines, SBS, MI6 ……. or perhaps these do not count?

  30. 30
    Point of Information 6 says:

    Ashdown was very much in favor of intervention is Syr!a, so this is not completely off topic. Should count against the idiot.

    Munitions found at site of Aug 21 appear to suggest thermobar!c weapons rather than CW deployed:

    NB: It has not been proven that Assad has used CW at any time. The NYT et al. ‘eyewitness’ reports from Aug 21 do not correlate with the descriptions of what unburnt thermobar!c compounds smell like either, or for that matter military grade Sar!n.

    Further: Thermobar!c weapons were used quite widely in Afghan!stan by Western forces:

    h**p://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/britain-admits-using-vacuum-bomb/story-e6frg6to-1111116704067

    UN Human Rights report on Syr!a published confirmed that Assad has used Thermobaric weapons against insurgent targets. There is nothing illegal about this. Due to the indisciminate nature of this weapon any civilians in the area would have been affected.

    In the meantime, a Syr!a researcher at the Institute for the Study of War who wrote an op-ed piece on the WSJ has been fired for lying about having a PhD, according to Politico.

    h**p://ht.ly/oMA6Q

    The piece by Ms. Elizabeth O’Bagy was cited by Kerry / McCa!n during the congressional hearings about use of force.

    O’Bagy started at the ISW as an unpaid intern.

    On the issue of CWC, some interesting propaganda / spin from Syr!a.

    Syr!an government sources claimed that Syr!a is now fully signed up to the CW Convention as of yesterday. The UN though have confirmed that the process of joining will not be complete for 30 days after the instrument of accession has been deposited. The documentation received from Syr!a is still being examined at
    present.

    Syr!a has dispersed its CW stockpiles to at least 50 different locations around the country.

    The following details latest UN have on Syr!a following tripartite meeting between Kerry / Lavrov and the UN.

    h**p://www.unog.ch/unog/website/news_media.nsf/(httpPages)/DD75809FFF1FCB2DC1257BE50042994E?OpenDocument

    Of note is the UNHCR reporting that there is a sharp rise of Syr!an’s arriving by boat in southern !taly. 3,300 have arrived over the past 40 days in S!cily, over 230 were unaccompanied children.

    There is a link to press conference post meeting.

    It appears that the US and Russia are very much in favour of using Geneva 2 for arriving at a negotiated settlement in Syr!a to end the civil war. That would provide a framework for establishing a transitional government with full representation. The corollary is that irrespective of the CW issue, bringing the civil war to a close and changing the government is still the primary objective of the current diplomatic process.

  31. 31
    What a plonker. says:

    Imagine Miliband and Farron together ,they are both socialist scum and back stabbers.

  32. 32
    Fishy says:

    Honest Chucka?

    Mmm Give me a few minutes to get my head around that oxymoron.

  33. 33
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    And our thanks must go to Vlad the Imposter for taking some more time out of his valuable life to go dung spreading.

  34. 34
    What a plonker. says:

    You really are a tosser.

  35. 35
    They are Both Europhiles says:

    Handbags at Dawn

  36. 36
    jmf says:

    SBS, MI6 did not realize that both these organizations had a Phuckwit Section.

  37. 37
    Yeah, right... says:

    Two bald men fighting over a comb.

    Who cares? Pointless political nonentities enjoying a very pleasant living at the taxpayer’s expense.

  38. 38
    Lord Stansted says:

    Strange. Listening to that item on the BBC-News, I got the impression that it was just one of the awful accidents, like a chip-pan catching fire, or an old chapie falling asleep with a lighted cigarette, or ……

  39. 39
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    William Hague will act as second and provide the weapons – he has plenty of handbags.

  40. 40
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    Ditto.

  41. 41
    Lord Stansted says:

    or a shag.

  42. 42
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    Judging by your English, and if such sections do exist, you will walk into them without even the need for an interview.

  43. 43
    I'll be rushing not to buy this! says:

    Conservative MP Nadine Dorries is to make her debut as a novelist after she was signed up for a three-book deal.

    The Four Streets, the first instalment to be published in April, will draw on her childhood experiences in Liverpool.

    Publishers Head of Zeus said it was “a moving, autobiographical trilogy about Irish Catholic families struggling against poverty, hardship and abuse”.

    Ms Dorries, who plans to stand again for Parliament in 2015, will be paid a “major six figure sum”, it stated.

  44. 44
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    He used to be in the SAS you know, Surfers Against Sewage. I might have to kill myself after making that comment.

  45. 45
    Anonymous says:

    Well bugger me it’s part conf season and here goes Oakshott (yawn again). He should step up or step off. If he is so convinced he’s “the man” then he has the means , just not the balls or the brains, to relieve himself of his peerage and stand for election. Oh wait he’s had a couple of goes at that already. STFU Oakshott. Divided parties don’t do well in elections. Oh wait…. ;) Accept it. You’re going to be annihilated at the next election and rightly so. Sweep them all away and begin again.

  46. 46
    jmf says:

    Tim Farron the Limpdems Ed Milliband.

  47. 47
    Lord Stansted says:

    Leaving after 12 years, with the rang of Captain is not the mark of good soldier – and I assume the same applies to the RMs.

  48. 48

    says you of the smelly crotch. I am totally honest. Don’t believe me I am on twitter, lots of honesty all the time

  49. 49
    jmf says:

    Judging by comments so far you must have a life long membership

  50. 50
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    But at least Ashdown, unlike virtually every other parliamentarian except Colonel Bob, has earned his pension – in Aden, Borneo and Belfast.

  51. 51
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    Resorting to insult rather than meeting valid arguments only reinforces your qualifications for the sections.

  52. 52
    EU Funded Pro-EU Troll says:

    Vote UKIP

  53. 53
    FFS says:

    Precisely. Never in power, never likely to be in power and they knew all this from the moment they joined the LibDems. Deliberately ensuring they never are part of the executive and are therefore beyond criticism whilst they themselves use every opportunity to snipe at the executive from the TV sidelines.

    Pompouse twats but utterly vacuous.

  54. 54
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    Nice try, but he was in the SBS, not the SAS.

  55. 55
    Frank says:

    To be Frank.

    Nick Clegg did the right thing over tuition fees, he could easily have abstained his party, he didn’t and his actions were honourable. Unlike Labour

    The tuitions fees came about due to an independent report commissioned by the previous Labour government and people tend to forget this, or never mentioned it in the first place. Something had to be done about the escalating costs of further education and any solution would have been unpopular with some group or other.

    Unfortunately just like the “bedroom tax” they were given a political title, as they are not tuition fees at all but a graduate tax only payable when the recipient of the further education is earning good money.

    I think it is a shame that Clegg has been pilloried for doing the right thing, but I guess that’s politics for you.

  56. 56
    FFS says:

    Go easy on Farron. He only joined the LibDems so he could fiddle council planning permissions. He never expected to be find himself in power.

  57. 57
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    There is one small problem with your suggestion. Judging by the number of resignations (one more this morning) and jailings of elected UKIP candidates it would be impossible to have any confidence that you would be represented by UKIP a week after the election.

  58. 58
    Well at least says:

    They weren’t subjected to this

    F*cking savages.

  59. 59
    Charlie Mullins' plastic sturgeon says:

    Dear Lord Stansted

    Actually Captain in the RM is the equivalent to Major in the Army so after 12 years it is rather good. The fact that he was in the SBS would mark him out to have been the best of an already elite bunch.

    Shame he turned out a Lib-Dem. I would have thought 12 years of under water knife fighting would have turned him into a decent Tory

  60. 60
    FFS says:

    Ms Dorries denied that the book was ghost-written by her two daughters.

  61. 61
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    I think you misunderstand this site. It is populated largely by semi-sentient relics longing for colonial days and the glories of empire – and they are so stupid they cannot even see the irony of castigating Ashdown, the only parliamentarian with a record of fighting for their vision in various conflicts.

  62. 62
    giant gonad says:

    Agreed-the erg is cruel.

  63. 63
    Incapable Vince, deputy Chief Cockroach says:

    Nick Clegg. Right thing ???????

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH !!!

  64. 64
    Casual Observer says:

    Seriously, on this thread ?

    Chris Huhne ?

    And:

    http://livingonwords.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/former-kingston-lib-dem-leader-charged.html

    Etc.

    Lib Dems really do need to start cleaning up shop.

    But UK politics in general has a bit of an image problem.
    :-)

  65. 65
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    SAS, SBS, what’s in an acronym?, c*ombined u*ndersea n*avy t*rainee.

  66. 66
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    Well, if it’s shag he is after I believe Ken Clarke keeps industrial quantities.

  67. 67
    Lard Pressclott of Beams, Bellies, Banjos, Bulimia, two bog seats, two Jags & Shags. says:

    Not the only parliamentarian to shag his secretary though.

  68. 68
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    Merely noting the relative frequencies of such happenings. Much more common amongst UKIP representatives.

  69. 69
    The public says:

    Who is this person? I have never heard of him.

  70. 70
    The public says:

    There is nothing stopping him flying out to Damascus and volunteering. Which side would he join though?

  71. 71
    Engineer says:

    He didn’t extend his service, though, so he probably wasn’t senior officer material. Since becoming a politician, he has become one of the most pompous occupants of either House, so maybe one can see why.

  72. 72
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    I believe it is known as the Westminster Secs Club – President John Major (apparently Edwina was a Secretary of sorts). It is now in the midst of a CoE type debate with Hague and Fox wanting to start a new section in the Club.

  73. 73
    Joss Taskin says:

    Didn’t Paddy Pantsdown give up his seat to David Laws ???

  74. 74
    Rusty Sheriff's Badger says:

    Ashdown no doubt earned the pension from when he went for a sowjer, but I doubt he has earned all the additional (and I presume much greater) politician’s pension and House of Lards earners.

  75. 75
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    He didn’t extend his service because he had already been recruited to MI6 and was posted (under diplomatic cover) to the UK delegation in Geneva. By all means oppose his politics but it is cheap to belittle a first rate service record.

  76. 76
    Casual Observer says:

    It would be good to crunch some numbers down on that, to isolate mis-perception due to press reporting.

    I think on the issue of cases of electoral fraud (arguably the most serious issue) UKIP are currently the cleanest of the four main parties.

    One perhaps should also note that Conservative councillors are still defecting in somewhat large numbers to UKIP.

    Not sure if the statistic is still running at one a week at the moment.

  77. 77
    Sir William Waid says:

    Two bald men fighting over a comb. It doesn’t matter, boys. The Libs will have to wait another century for a sniff of power, whatever you do.

  78. 78
    Maq­boul says:

    code for, “He’s a master debater and a smart arse.”

  79. 79
    Chilcot says:

    I’ll show you mine if you show me yours

  80. 80
    Mark Wouters. says:

    hello,
    Royal Mail sell off ,Lets have the TORY PARTY SOLD OFF and sent to Syria with a gun ,Helmet and boots each for Hague (DEVADER)Cameron and Clegg .
    Roayal Mail can still be stste ownned by Deutsce Post can RUN IT for the public.
    The Tory /libdem government will not win a vote by the UN security council nor will it win a vote in congress or upper houe in The USA,NOR will it win when it tries to attack IRAN ,Because the people round the world are united against war ,and the internet has seen to that,Thank God.

  81. 81
    Engineer says:

    I didn’t belittle his service record. I’ve no idea what it was, so to do so would be stupid.

    I’ve been privelidged to meet many ex-servicemen of almost all ranks, and most are thoroughly decent and honourable people, even if one or two may not be the sharpest knives in the drawer. However, I have never yet met one as downright pompous as Ashdown, on pretty much any subject. He’s the sort of radio interviewee that makes one switch off instantly.

  82. 82
    Mark Wouters. says:

    Hello,
    stste means State owned but run by Deutsce Post for The Public,Goodbye THATCHER YOU BITCH.

  83. 83
    FFS says:

    He did have an outstanding service career and thus like many other in the military was completely unsuited to life in civvy street. His psuedo military involvement in Bosnia is the only part of his career that had any merit at all.

  84. 84
    Casual Observer says:

    You raise a good point on his military background.

    This makes his desire to willingly send UK servicemen into the Syr!an civil war illegally even more strange.

    Who are really pulling his strings, and what have they got on him ?

  85. 85
    What the hell is going on? says:

    So the British and Americans are using CW as well FFS

    “According to UK Ministry of Defence, British military forces have also used thermobaric weapons in their AGM-114N Hellfire missiles (carried by Apache helicopters and UAVs) against the Taliban in the War in Afghanistan.[56]
    The US military also used thermobaric weapons in Afghanistan. On 3 March 2002, a single 2,000 lb (910 kg) laser guided thermobaric bomb was used by the US army against cave complexes in which Al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters had taken refuge in the Gardez region of Afghanistan.”

    Should Obama and Cameron now launch attacks against the MOD and Pentagon?

  86. 86
    MoD says:

    Sorry. Due to cuts we shall not be able to provide boots or the gun.

  87. 87
    Chin him, Paddy says:

    I can’t stand Oakshott. An arse of the highest order, he really belongs in Arsehole Central, otherwise known as the Labour Party.

  88. 88
    EU Watch says:

    The sell off of Post Office has zero to do with Thatcher, and all to do with the EU.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/policies/ensuring-the-future-of-the-universal-postal-service-and-post-office-network-services

  89. 89
    Lotsa Snoring says:

    A pair of unelected guys arguing. Great idea.

    Guido, you could fill this blog with stuff like this any day of the week.

  90. 90
    Herman van Rompuy, unelected president of Britain, says:

    Oh no he couldn’t.

  91. 91
    Point of Information 6 says:

    Thermobaric weapons are not chemical weapons.

    They are perfectly legal conventional weapons.

  92. 92
    Vince Zimmerframe says:

    Ain’t gonna work on Lindi’s Farne no more : http://tinyurl.com/nq8zbfj

  93. 93
    Mark Wouters. says:

    hello,
    Lets now have BT(O2) Pay back the Taxpayer all monies that they stole from the Taxpayer when Thatcher sold BT away and lets also have all the Tories involved taken to court and made to pay back all monies they made from the sale via shares or direct and indirec Proffits.

  94. 94
    State education strikes again says:

    Oh Lordy Lord.. where to begin..

  95. 95
    What the hell is going on? says:

    They have a simlilar effects

    Hence the confusion in Syria

    No point in splitting hairs

    The UK also sold the sarin ingredients to Assad

    The US and UK have pushed hypocrisy beyond the grotesque and are completely discredited

    Plus they are supporting Jihadis in Syria and fighting them in Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia and throughout the rest of the world (quite righlty)

  96. 96
    Engineer says:

    Rather nasty, though.

    Mind you, flying a civil airliner with a hefty load of avaition fuel into a skyscraper was pretty nasty, too.

  97. 97
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    I am sure you are aware of the various sites compiling records of charges/convictions etc for politicians of all parties. I must admit to being steered by the defections of Nattrass, Sinclaire and Andreason, and the convictions of Mote and Wise. Given UKIP’s small number of MEPs this seems an extraordinarily large proportion for them to lose.

  98. 98
    Mark Wouters. says:

    Hello,
    We want all british and usa ,israeli ,Russia, and others Chemical and Biological weapons to be destroyed before they destroy us!

  99. 99
    FFS says:

    The only place where Asdown saw active service was Borneo.

    Neither I nor anybody else on this blog gives a fuck about that or your seriously misplaced view of what contributors here are about.

  100. 100
    Point of Information 6 says:

    Recall that public support for the intervention in K0sovo was determined mainly by the !TN reports of ‘death camps’ in Europe.

    The reports were complete fiction: The news crews were filming on the wrong side of a fence which was not part of the perimeter, on a hot day. They got lucky that one chap had a birth defect.

    After the intervention started is when the levels of violence on the ground went off the charts, arguably culminating in Srbren!ca, which the UN has admitted it fa!led on completely.

    Ashdown cannot really claim any positive legacy from this.

  101. 101
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    direct and indirec Proffits. This is the pwoblem we should a-dress.

  102. 102
    FFS says:

    Sorry but the Post Office sell-off was ordered by the EU to liberalise EU postal market.

    Nothing to do with the Tories. As for the rest of your rant you clearly haven’t bothered to watch the news for the last week have you? Things have moved on.

  103. 103
    Lord Stansted says:

    Dear Charlie Mullins’ plastic sturgeon,

    You are confusing Captain RN with Captain RM. The Marines’ rank of Captain is the same as the Army’s.

    Byeeeeeee

  104. 104
    Point of Information 6 says:

    Chemical Weapons are carefully defined by international law.

    CS Gas used in riot control has similar effects to mustard gas and thermobar!c compounds. Is CS Gas a CW ? No.

    If it was used on you though, you may tend to disagree, but if you tried to take the case to an international court you would be turned down.

    There is no splitting of hairs.

    The sale of pre-cursor agents is fine as it is the buyers responsibility not the sellers for how they use what has been purchased.

    The chemicals themselves have many legitimate civilian uses.

    The one question mark with the export licenses that were signed under Labour is that they appear to have been signed to supply a company known to the UK to be a front for the Syr!an military.

    This is all legal, but as Syr!a is not a CWC signatory there is an ethical issue in having signed those agreements.

    The UK is not alone in this, but is certainly not guilty of proliferation as many people wrongly conclude.

  105. 105
    Anonymous says:

    Talking of pantsdown. When Cecil Parkinson was caught having an affair with his secretary and David Mellor was allegedly having an affair (turned out to be untrue) it was a resigning issue forced by the media. When the Paddy stories and Labour affairs (Cook, Blunket etc) came to light it seems it was OK

  106. 106
    FFS says:

    Sorry but are you referring to the sell off of UK assets used to pay down the national debt that was run up by the previous Labour government and which was prescribed by the IMF when Dennis Healey, Labour chancellor of the exchequer, took out a massive loan from them to bail the UK out?

  107. 107
    FFS says:

    Are there any left-wingers out there that are not foreign?

  108. 108
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    Well at least we’ll get our mail delivered promptly, and to the right address, if the Germans end up running it.

  109. 109
    Casual Observer says:

    They have their own reasons for leaving.

    Sinclair was their biggest loss, but that was some time ago.

    Quitting the party and then attacking the leader reflects more poorly on the individual rather than the leader or the party.

    If the individual was truly any good, good enough to make such an argument, they would work for change within the party and perhaps push the tyrannical leader into a position of compromise.

    Andreas0n I think has been deselected by the Conservatives for standing next year.

    If UKIP are losing a larger number of MEPs this is perhaps because they are realizing that the EU itself is about to hit the rocks and are jumping ship. Unlike MEPs for other parties they have no alternative than to jump.

    NB: UKIP Europe and UKIP UK should not be conflated.

    They are separate entities.

  110. 110
    Socialists = Sociopaths says:

    Envy is the ulcer of the soul. Socrates.

  111. 111
    Stavros, Greek Subsidy King says:

    Clegg is no good, everybody knows that.

    But who else they got? Cable is the old elephant man. Mister Farron looks and sounds like he wear shorts to school. Charlie Kennedy, he like the ouzo.

    I see nobody any good.

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  113. 113
    Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:

    Have you got a magnifying glass on you? Boaz.

  114. 114
    FFS says:

    It’s simple. Fighting AlQaeda in Afghanistan was a Republican idea. Therefore fighting with AlQaeda in Syria is the Democrat idea. The fact it is incoherent makes little difference. The only real power POTUS has when he doesn’t have control of both houses is to start a war.

    HMGov simply does what the USGov tells us to do. The British MSM then tries to use propganda to tell us why we need to be doing what the USGov tells us.

    Unless we really kick up a shit-storm.

    Frankly this is why I no longer buy a newspaper or vote LibLabCon.

  115. 115
    Sall E B A'Cow says:

    Oakshit more like, what a smug little prick.

  116. 116

    Oakshit has never made a difference to anyone except to himself or his clients where he maximises the tax efficiency and profits of their off shore trusts and “charities” whilst carping from the red benches.

    Just another LibDem wasp chewing dog like Vince

  117. 117
    cured lefty says:

    call mark oaten back I hear he’s shit hot!

  118. 118
    Angular Merkozy says:

    surely you meant

    Andy Burnthem (13,000 deaths and counting)

    jah?

  119. 119
    showaddysquaddy says:

    I’ve been privelidged (sic) to meet many servicemen out on the lash in Aldershot and I stay well clear.

    and then there’s Deepcut …

  120. 120
    Nadine says:

    “Seven Shades of Shiite”

  121. 121
    Fishy says:

    Are the BBC going to report this week’s disclosure of excessive deaths in the NHS during 2004?

    Is our ‘envy of the world’ broadcaster going to report on our ‘envy of the world’ health service?

  122. 122
    wont take none o that shite says:

    Nonsense, UKIP are whiter than a Hutton whitewash compared to the other parties.

  123. 123
    pompous paddy says:

    Orang Utans can be tricky blighters though.

  124. 124
    pompous paddy says:

    Well he does have a funny walk these days.

  125. 125
    Lord Ashcroft says:

    Why am I trending? *innocent face*

  126. 126
    up the werkers says:

    and don’t forget the price of fish
    there should always be a plaice for that
    only them with no sole disagree
    and to the rich
    we are all just prawns in their games

  127. 127
    the unkindest cut of all says:

    A couple of eunuchs fighting over a condom

  128. 128
    Charlie Mullins plastic surgeon says:

    Lord Stansted

    Having served for 11 years I can assure you I’m not getting my ranks mixed up. In pantsdown’s time the RM officers were always a rank lower. Therefore you had captain company commanders in the RM and Major company commanders in the Army. Time served as a 2lt in the RM was longer regardless of being a graduate. Captain RN would be the equivalent of an Army Brigadier. I do believe the RM now have the same rank structure as the Army but that wasn’t the case during ashdowns service. I’m sure there are some other craphats out there that could confirm this….or you could just google it and tell me I’m wrong

  129. 129
    David Mellor says:

    It was the Chel$ea-shirt-wearing that was untrue, not the shagging.

  130. 130
    John Major says:

    According to my office classification, Eggwina came under office furniture.

  131. 131
    Dirty fucking perv watch says:

    Will they be paying special tribute to Cyril Smith ?

  132. 132
    broderick crawford says:

    round one to oantsdown then …

  133. 133
    Charlie Mullins plastic surgeon says:

    Thermobaric weapons are nothing like chemical agents nor do they have similar effects. One merely vaporises you or kills you instantly by a massive shock wave whilst the other, depending on type, causes a slow agonising death by respiratory failure or a slow agonising death by shutting of your nervous system.

    If you were hit by a thermobaric weapon you wouldn’t know about it.

    The only similarity between the 2 is that they kill people.

  134. 134
    englisheccentric says:

    What was the name of the female ‘reporter’ who got a libel pay-off as well? Yes, it was Penny Marshall who is a professor of journalism, I believe.

  135. 135

    Why are we talking about Matthew Oakeshott and not about the brilliant Michael Oakeshott, the leading light of conservative thinkers of the 20th century?

    101929

  136. 136
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    As I said, semi sentient…..

  137. 137
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    And how is the weather in La La Land?

  138. 138
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    I find that posters on this site usually begin with a 2000 word elegy for the days of empire….

  139. 139
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    I was going to suggest good old Parker Farage – but then I remembered he is of French/Irish ancestry.

  140. 140
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    At least Wee Willy Hague and Poxy Foxy would have a new mate.

  141. 141
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    Well, it could be because he was not regarded very highly in academic circles. I had the great fortune to be at the LSE whilst Karl Popper was still active as an Emeritus Professor and heard his (gently expressed) views on Oakeshott, who was his contemporary.

  142. 142
    Anonymous says:

    Do they only let you use your laptop at the weekend sonny ? because we never have childish insinuations about the sexuality of married cabinet ministers when its a school night ! you are a fecking bore,please piss off and get yourself a real boyfriend.

  143. 143
    Anonymous says:

    I knew it ! you are a 10 year old on mummys laptop, now feck off.

  144. 144
    Point of Information 6 says:

    Yes: And libel does not mean not true:

    This gives a much bigger picture:

    The mass killing started after the western intervention became inevitable and commenced.

  145. 145
    Anonymous says:

    He is also such an Officer and Gent that he had it off with his secretary.

  146. 146
    Anonymous says:

    Is all this info courtesy of Eddie Snowden ?

  147. 147
    Anonymous says:

    Nads Mum was a teacher and she apparently was a nurse so i cant think they exactly lived in a cardboard box !

  148. 148
    Anonymous says:

    I never knew how Blunket seemed to sail through all that, Married woman, fathered a child, expenses etc.Thank goodness he didnt call a policeman a pleb though !

  149. 149
    Anonymous says:

    Do you have mental problems ?

  150. 150
    Anonymous says:

    They all seem to want to follow the path of Zion to WW3.
    They have been brainwashed.

  151. 151

    Great fortune indeed to have heard the great KP!

    Arguably the most underrated philosopher of modern times.

    100769

  152. 152
    graham smith says:

    I want everyone to stand down as leader not just Cleggie.Cameron and Milliband are just barely hanging on by their fingernails and have to devote more and more of their time to considering their own party position and less and less time constructing effective policies.This renders them useless as party leaders and lawmakers.
    If you contrast this with the heartwarming sight of Farage ripping a few new arseholes for the eurotrash fatcats recently you can see why he has no visible challengers.If you ask any of the main three leaders their “beliefs” and they were to answer honestly this is how they would have to answer.”I believe that to adopt this strategy or that would or would not expedite my career or my position within my party”

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    Simply says:

    I hate the two smug bastards

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    Casual Observer says:

    That is true if the thermo-weapon works.

    The argument put forward in that FP article is talking about what happens if the compounds do not detonate correctly.

    It was suggesting that the missile remains found are a very old design, so themselves may be somewhat old.

    If the cloud of otherwise explosive materials comes into contact with the population, then the effects would be similar to a CW attack. You wouldn’t get crushed, but you would exhibit a number of incapacitating symptoms, up to and including death.

  155. 155
    FairBobby says:

    Looking at these two tells me why I would never, ever, under any circumstances whatsoever vote for the LibDems. A right pair of egocentrics with not a sensible thought between them. I’ll bet both of them just love the EU and wind turbines.

  156. 156
    Sir Bumley Foghorn MP (Much Ranting in the Shires) says:

    Unlike most on this site I rely on documented evidence. If you have a friend (doubtful) in one of the nationals I suggest you ask them about the pics.

  157. 157
    Trustafrian nonce says:

    No you don’t, twat.

  158. 158
    twat-watch says:

    Come on then tell us about the pics you have seen.

    Put up or fuck off.

    p.s.
    not that I give fuck about the tories, I’ll be voting UKIP come what may, I just hate twats like you.

  159. 159
    NE Frontiersman says:

    Local spokesman says they were a nice family, ‘Not part of the struggle’. What could he possibly mean?

  160. 160
    broderick crawford says:

    i think if they did fight oakshitt would defecate on him when Paddy s pants were down . but then paddy would wipe himself clean and smash the sad wcetch iahshitt all over the special boat service before keel hauling him and finishing him off with a ” hereford garotte”


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