September 5th, 2013

Future of Porn in Cameron’s Britain

Well this is one way to get round the government’s porn ban. The suitably named www.cameronporn.com (Safe For Work – though still weird) lets you watch all the adult videos you want, only without the sex scenes. That means, free from distraction, viewers can fully appreciate the unrivalled acting ability on display. As the website puts it:

“Cameron Porn: free sex videos fully adapted to the UK porn ban. 0% XXX. 100% drama.”

Better get used to it…


338 Comments

  1. 1
    Silent Bob says:

      

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      Maq­boul says:

      That’s easy for you to say, Bob.

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      A Droyd says:

      What a load of No B****cks

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      Hot TT says:

      Porn without the sex. That like booze without the alcohol.

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      Carry Hole is a porcine homunculus says:

      Wonder when Dave will announce the bill to see Animals clothed?

      In all seriousness, this is just preparing and getting sheeple used to web-censorship. Wait till non-PC sites start getting the Cam-Ban.

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    • 93
      Tay King-dePisse says:

      As long as we are going to ban all actual porn lest anyone be aroused inappropriately, let’s get rid of all those trains-speeding-into-dark-tunnels/reverse-action-shot-of-an-imploded-smokestack suggestive scenes as well.

      Leave nothing to chance, as far as possibly encouraging people’s raunchier instincts goes.

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        Have you noticed that the Islamic for Allah looks like the Loch Ness monster ? says:

        anything shaped like a cock that good looking women put in their mouths needs to be banned

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      • 104
        David Cameron, bum-sex champion says:

        Watch out Ealing and Northolt, HS2 is coming going to be rammed routed right into your back door.

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        • 168
          Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs says:

          We won’t treat your head as a dartboard, sir.

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          Oh! Sud de Nîmes says:

          Oooooo !!!

          Hiya , Forksy , sweetpea x x x

          It fairly painless , I spose , bein as how I SOOO shamaleion-like , an that , an that x .

          How ur little project goin then , petal ???

          It DOES seem bit dull to normal human beans but u probly has higher caliber readerships , yeah , honey ???

          These political thingies is SOOOO never-endin an ULTRA-fascinatinatin , ain’t they , darlin ???

          /Me can hardly wait to get outta bed in the afternoon , an that , can I ???

          ~ Jus to lap an to bathe in the glorious nothin wot Bernard-Lee has given us etc .

          It lovely , ain’t it ???

          Is I punctuatin proper , I wonders ???

          Fuck nose , an who cares ??

          Now – get on wiv ur WORK , honey : ))

          Byeeeee E x x x

          P . S . It gonna rain in Middx tonite , I spose : ((

          I SOOO impossibly upbeat , ain’t I petal ???

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          a prolific telegraph blog bore- not Iggy Jerk or Simon Coultard says:

          Well said. The world is interested in what we have to say, unfortunately.

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      Wankers Unite says:

      If this isnt bollocks I dont now what is.

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    Kebab Time says:

    FFS Guido!!!

    I thought this was a family blog!

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    Owen Jones' Mum says:

    So this is what our Owen has been looking at on the internet.

    Shame on you.

    Now, where did I put that nice Ms. Perrys’ phone number, which my hubby said he found on Twitter…

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  4. 4
    Tojo says:

    Bit like Labour Party Policy… all spin and no action

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  5. 5
    Owen Jones says:

    Anyone going to the music festival in Syria?

    I hear the headline act is The Chemical Brothers.

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  6. 6
    PC Dixon says:

    Oh you are a tease Guido!

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    Have you noticed that the Islamic for Allah looks like the Loch Ness monster ? says:

    I think I posted this before but I went out and got pissed so maybe I didn’t anyway I think this is what I posted.

    I feel like I might be a fascist or a national socialist.
    I look at the society and I think it has got beyond self help. It really wants to be like this ( my idea)

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  8. 8
    Anonymous says:

    How many off-colour searches have originated from Parliament again?

    Do as I say, not as I do, clearly. The cork’s in too tight with Cameron, that’s for sure.

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  9. 10
    Owen Jones says:

    Getting pissed on Barolo! :-))<Now you Guido Fawkes, are my kind of guy. Fucking superb taste!

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      Well I Never says:

      There you are Geedoo somebody loves you, it seems as if the little tinker is licking his lips at the thought of you

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    Mehdi Hasan says:

    Syrians killed Syrians the wrong way. So we need to kill Syrians the right way, to enforce international killing standards.

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  11. 12
    Our EU membership fee: 20 billion reasons to vote UKIP says:

    Isn’t it ironic, the biggest w@nker in the country wants to ban porn.

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  12. 13
    The Wild Colonial Boy says:

    Upload the expurgated versions to the drama section of BBC4. It will save on production costs. Will any viewer notice the difference?

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      The BBC causes serious mental illness says:

      Viewers ?

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    • 52
      Well I Never says:

      Surely is more at home on Dirty Des’s channel (channel 5) or even Geedoo’s old pal BendOver on freeview

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      • 192
        The Wild Colonial Boy says:

        But you do realize that all the dirty bits have been removed, and only the dramatic acting is left. Besides, are the two venues that you mention accessible to us out here in the outback?

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    Sources have told me that, for Christmas, the prime minister will be going to Bangkok.

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    • 22
      Sami Camiyoko says:

      Velly good! Me ruv him rong time, 50 dorra.

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      Living in 97.222% white Merseyside says:

      That’s an old joke about Barbara Castle when she introduced the breathalyser test.

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      • 160

        Ha ha! There is only you and me here who remember her. Oh! and Tachy…

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        • 179
          A wretch says:

          I remember her too. In the 1974 election campaign she was out on the streets somewhere gathering complaints about the cost of living (Heath was in office). To illustrate her point she snatched some bacon a woman had just bought at the butcher’s, unwrapped the greaseproof paper (for in such was it sold it those olden days) and held it up to the camera, denouncing the price of 5/9d a pound or whatever it was. “Oi!” the woman cried, “that’s my Bert’s supper in your mucky paws, you can pay me for it now!”

          Extraordinary that the BBC showed the incident, even then.

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          Lady Britain says:

          she was a witch of the labour order the reincarnation of which is yvette the impaler

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        Ted Heath says:

        Barabara Castle thats real porn.

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    Le Lapin says:

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    Anonymous says:

    Wall to wall bum sex and stuff.

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    Bluto says:

    As I understand it is not a “ban” as such but a default filter that one must opt out of – and presumably thereby have one’s details added to a government database – in order to access whatever is included under the criteria of undesirable/unacceptable/disapproved websites. That criteria currently seems extensive and implausible with the procedures for inclusion secretive and unaccountable but heavily dependent on various taxpayer funded but taxpayer unaccountable “watch” organisations.

    Added to this is a proposal to extend the criminalisation of fantasy to include those things Mr Cameron is not himself into and which he disapproves of. As these minority lifestyles have no powerful outrage lobby to slut-walk on their behalf they appear to be fair game for the reincarnation of Mrs Whitehouse. So the legislative persecution of alternative sexual minorities continues, only the targets change.

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      sick of everything, ever says:

      After six years of exhaustive, in-depth research, I’ve come to the conclusion that the internet, excepting the Wickes site (although they’ve managed to up-fuck that, somewhat), is total shite and an utter waste of time.

      Ditto Twitter, PlayStation, the latest-generation of vacuum cleaners that want to have a conversation before actually doing anything, washing machines that have a unique cycle for cuddly toys, people ahead in the queue who insist on paying for a packet of chewing gum with their, oh-so-slow, fucking, gold-plated credit cards……………

      ………AAARRRGH!!

      Er, what was this thread about, again?

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      Sir William Wade says:

      You mran exactly like MicroSoft’s safe search toggle?

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    RomaBob...picking a pocket or two ! says:

    Is Nelson mandela still alive??? I am soooo f*cking worried, no update from BBC today !!

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  18. 26

    Avril Lavigne is not dead.

    I still have a chance.

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    Tachybaptus says:

    Thomas Bowdler, who published The Family Shakespeare, gutted of everything that might possibly offend 19th-century sensibilities, would have been proud of this enterprise.

    (One of his emendations to Cymbeline was to change ‘She hath played the strumpet in my bed’ to ‘She hath played the trumpet in my bed.’)

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      Hugh Grunt says:

      Getting a strumpet to blow one’s own trumpet costs extra. :(

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      Blue Peter Goldfish says:

      LOl, and does the expurgated version ‘sound’ any better?.
      News:
      Over 300,000 attempts to access porn from UK parliament (following FOI request). Hand on Cock is OK for us what you might call a Mass De-bate on the chamber.

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    Rachel Reeves with the same strange voice as Ed Miliband says:

    I am the deceiver.

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        Elsie Beattie (83 and a quarter) says:

        My Reg, God bless his memory, always referred to Amanita muscaria as “that damned Carmine Deceiver” as he never quite “peaked” in the way the rambling guide suggested he might, dear.
        He was far happier with a billy-full of Psilocybe on the go.

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        Elsie Beattie (83 and a quarter) says:

        My Reg, God bless his memory, always referred to Amanita muscaria as “that damned Carmine Deceiver” as he never quite “peaked” in the way the rambling guide suggested he might, dear.
        He was far happier with a dixie-full of Psilocybe on the brew.

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  21. 38
    Handycock says:

    I think I’m in one of those films.Where’s my fee.

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    My dog Spider says:

    Can TOR help here?

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    Media Observer says:

    Dirty Digger isn trouble down under as well

    http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/help-thwart-rupert-news-corp-websites-run-antimurdoch-ad-20130905-2t7g8.html

    No one accepts the abuse of power and criminality of the old gangster any more

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      UKIP or bust says:

      No it’s all corporate now in the new world order. Scorsese pointed that out at the end of Casino.

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    Economist says:

    So it look like ‘fed tapering’ is the ‘new’ worry in world of finance:

    http://rt.com/business/brics-warn-us-stimulus-tapering-453/

    The spillover effect will likely collapse a number of countries around the world which are more dependent on the hot money. The effect on Europe could be negative given that the structural problems which caused its initial collapse in 2007/8 have still not been repaired.

    This is the main topic of discussion at the G-20.

    The effect is already being seen in UK, affecting government sale of Lloyds stake for example:

    h**p://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-05/u-k-lloyds-sale-seen-delayed-on-syrian-crisis-fed-tapering-1-.html

    This will also be what is weighing on Osborn’s mind and likely why he briefed against exuberance over the ‘recovery’ which the UK is experiencing.

    The government may well be forced to rethink the Help-To-Buy scheme if the easy money available on the international markets is being withdrawn.

    Apparently, the seating arrangement at G20 has been changed in order to put 5 heads of state between Obama and Put!n. Dave is one of those in the middle now. (Yay !)

    This gives an indication of the current state of US Russ!an relations, which are not good at present.

    The Pentagon has ‘clarified’ Hagel’s earlier testimony to HFAC that Russ!a was a supplier of CW to the Syr!an government.

    The clarification asserts that Hagel was referring to Russ!a being a supplier of conventional weapons only, which is generally well known.

    The big political question is whether Obama has done enough now to bring the lobby groups and media back under control, and whether the role of Congress as a body representing The People rather than lobby groups can be restored.

    Obama’s recent political maneuvers are not over.

    They will likely be recorded as being the most significant in defining US politics for a generation, with great impact for the next generation when completed.

    One suspects he does not want a repeat of L!bya, and Amer!ca does not want to continue the trend of entering wars and running Foreign Policy from which it does not benefit.

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    • 61
      Engineer says:

      Too long.

      (A phrase rarely used in mucky videos. So I’m told.)

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        Fowler's Modern Usage says:

        “Too long” is too long. These days da kidz just write “tl;dr” (too long — didn’t read).

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      Have you noticed that the Islamic for Allah looks like the Loch Ness monster ? says:

      “One suspects he does not want a repeat of L!bya, and Amer!ca does not want to continue the trend of entering wars and running Foreign Policy from which it does not benefitunderstand.”

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      Joe Biden says:

      No

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    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    “0% XXX. 100% drama”
    Coronation Street Kevins defence.

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    Plastic sturgeon says:

    Wait till the Antics in the Middle East start in a few days, weeks time.
    Oil price will go nuts, Osborne’s recovery will be sunk

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  27. 67
    Vlad the Inhaler says:

    Vlad’s latest uk jibe suggests we are a small
    island no-one listens to
    …. not nice …

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      Realpolitik says:

      Has Dave been winding him up about the LGBT stuff ?

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        green ink says:

        no Vlads chuffed we’ve been neutered by the commons vote … he thinks its time to take the world stage again .. new age no style ‘tsaresque’ in manner … to face off against Obama whilst we’re sidelined.

        truth is of course hes got so much trouble sitting in his own back garden he needs to play the ‘hands off’ card as often as possible.

        no-one wants to get involved in Syria .. frankly its a can of worms and it could end up being run by worse .. but chemical weapons are something that cannot be acceptable in any sense and it is risible that the vote has closed down the options we have … rank expediency borne of a lightweight miliband … how can agreeing to a second vote prior to any action be rushing to war.

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          Realpolitik says:

          Dave was going to raise the domestic LGBT Russ!an law stuff with Put!n. That would probably not go down to well.

          As for Syr!a, the Russ!ans and US / UN have credibility on this matter, more so the UN and Russ!a.

          Dave’s ‘we have growing evidence’ line is making the case for war by implication. After the dodgy dossier of !raq, UK evidence is incredible. The US evidence is currently under deep scrutiny, and it is looking like Kerry was lying in most of his earlier pronouncements.

          The US State Department is ‘tainted’ at present.

          The UK Parliament has spoken on the issue.

          One suspects Dave has miscalculated Obama’s strategy and motives on this matter, and is still trying to play to the old script for whatever reason.

          The one thing he did not get is that when Parliament voted his motion down last week, most of the geopolitical landscape and alliance structures the UK used to enjoy also changed with it.

          He needs now to think along the UKIP line as he and more importantly the UK cannot rely on the charity of others in the world for the time being.

          The Conservative party likely realize this. One hopes they are preparing a new leader in time for his return.

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          • David Aaranovitch, character assassin says:

            I wrote of the Iraq War in 2003: “If nothing is eventually found, I – as a supporter of the war – will never believe another thing that I am told by our government, or that of the US ever again. And, more to the point, neither will anyone else. Those weapons had better be there somewhere”

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          • green ink says:

            the LGBT issue has already passed.. a senior diplomat said all would be well and it was a misunderstanding … yeah right but the home audience is one ear the rest of the world the other so anything is possible.

            the meaning of your statement ‘the uk cannot rely on the charity of others in the world for the time being’ eludes me.

            whatever our views politically it is quite wrong that we as a nation should be sidelined in meeting the issues of chemical weapons head-on .no ifs no buts no second chances.

            this is not and never was a situation comparable to Iraq and the dodgy dossier fiasco.

            blair and bush et al are the past .. no one can sensibly claim this government would seriously try to base any action on such unsound
            ground after that nightmare.

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          • Jack says:

            It most certainly is similar to Iraq in that there is clearly no plan

            What if Syria attacks , srael ?

            Or iran intervenes?

            Or Hesbollah?

            Or the Russian Navy.

            This is ten times more dangerous than Iraq

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          • green ink says:

            sorry jack I do not disagree this scenario has a whole complex of potential problems and hence the reluctance of anyone to get involved until assad played into the hands of interventionists by pulling out the chemical weapons card .. in doing so he closed the door on an immunity based handover (however distaceful that might bein reality) and get away with his life … that option is now dead in the water and now its not a matter of how its just when he finally bites the dust…. frankly a la gaddafyduck style preferably.

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          • Realpolitik says:

            The issue of charity relates more to the credit and good will which is extended towards the UK, and which some in the UK may take for granted. In particular this is extended from the US, and it is clear that the nature of that relationship has evolved.

            Being sidelined on the issue of CW ? Unless this directly affected UK interests or people then it is not the UKs concern. The UK was involved in the supply of pre-cursor agents, but then so were many other nations, and the dual use nature removes any hint of credible responsibility for us.

            Bla!r / Bush are in the past, but Bla!r has been very actively involved in the Syr!a issue / middle east affairs to date. That involvement will be known intimately by all at the table, probably less so by Cameron. As a result, that episode is far from off the table.

            In part the compromising of the UKs position on this important issue is part of the real legacy of Bla!r.

            Don’t read any of my remarks as being of a partisan party nature.

            Cameron is weak on the international scene. Always has been. His style of politic is simply dysfunctional in power politic situations such as Syr!a.

            Put!ns remarks will not be out of nowhere.

            Such expressions should not be considered personally, however should be reflective of Cameron’s management of the relationship with Russ!a at this time.

            In the real world, a country which does not respect its own cultural identity, or indeed its sovereignty, will not command respect. A country with a leader who is perceived weak will command contempt. Particularly if that country continually tries to interfere directly in the internal affairs of others.

            Put!n could be signalling that the International Socialist Order which the UK does promote is over. Obama for sure seems to be indicating that he is no longer interested in that.

            Or perhaps he just finds Cameron’s rhetoric irritating and disrespectful in the face of the real terms concessions which Russ!a has already made with respect Syr!a / !ran.

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          • green ink says:

            Don’t agree charity has nothing to do with business and the relationship with the US is very deeply set and certainly not diminished by the developments in the commons. duplicitous political expediency caused us to remove an option we should have retained and would have done with a second vote option. To say the relationship has evolved is absolutely true but that does not suggest we are not still considered to be their strongest ally… and indeed them us.

            Absolutely disagree chemical weapons are an issue that has to be met head-on no ifs no buts. One can realistically expect that we developed many of the worst but their use now is totally unacceptable and must be dealt with not ignored regardless of the history.

            Bla!r / Bush are in the past, but Bla!r has been very actively involved in the Syr!a issue / middle east affairs to date. That involvement will be known intimately by all at the table, probably less so by Cameron. As a result, that episode is far from off the table.

            Blair is a busted flush politically and influence-wise .. the results of his middle east initiatives are zilch and his credentials so blown after the Iraq debacle its no suprise. It is only because of that fiasco and his cabal of dossier promoter’s ducking and diving that we’re sidelined.

            I don’t

            Cameron is not a great orator but his rationale is sound and his sense and belief that this country should be counted on to confront these type of issues well grounded.

            Nonsense .. Putin has said these sort of things about most that continue to mention the concerns many have for the way he deals with the rebel causes he has in his own backyard and is purely exploiting our international neutering with as much relish as his home audience can garner.

            I’ll pass on that thesis.

            I’m struggling to think what possible concession Putin has made to date over anything .. if you mean soften his condemnation of intervention now that chemical weapons have been used .. perhaps but only to deflect from his own culpability in so many spheres from Iran to you name it. This is one cute operator … from one time st petersburg fixer to kgb to president twice with a wad of oligarchs knuckled to suit and a population so controlled they are stuck with it for the foreseeable future ad nauseum.

            One wonders who you would like to see as Pm.

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          • green ink says:

            sorry Realpolitik I failed to point out the third para was quoting you

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          • Realpolitik says:

            The concessions Put!n has made include cancelling and destroying weapons systems which were purchased by !ran and Syr!a – S300 in particular.

            Also, he has been very calm on the issue of NMD being put in along his borders over recent years: an overtly hostile development.

            The backyard issues can be legitimately raised. People seem to have forgotten about the che’chen terrorist incident in a theater. That this is not being raised in current context is curious.

            This I suspect has been raised with a whole raft of other contentious bones by the US behind closed doors, there is a laundry list.

            Note: The UK did not argue for intervention in Russ!a back then over that, or what was happening in Che’chnya itself. R2P was in place, so why not ?

            Put!n is playing to the crowd, and what he is doing is showing strong leadership. This is likely more calculated to weaken Obama’s position and divide US / UK.

            The CW debate is a distraction.

            Their use can only be discouraged. They are no worst than FAEs or hollow point rounds. Arguably more humane as they kill faster with less suffering in the field.

            Their only problem is that they are somewhat indiscriminate and a pain to clean up. But why are thermobaric weapons not treated in the same way ? These were used extensively to ‘clear’ areas in Afghan!stan, and are arguably more indiscriminate. Cluster munitions same deal.

            Discouraging such use by indiscriminate attack not based on clear confirmed fact is wrong. In fact such an attack constitutes a war crime in this situation.

            Considering that the primary objective in this theater and of these actions is explicitly non-humanitarian the whole use of CW justification cheapens that separate debate.

            As there is no replacement government, and the attack was being considered without any credible evidence or even completion and analysis of evidence gathered, any and all humanitarian motivation is discredited.

            The UK only confirmed today that Sar!n was present in the samples it claims to have from the incident. Parliament was being asked to vote a week ago.

            Hammond was on the BBC demonstrating he did not even know who Parliament were voting to attack on the evening of the vote. This implies the MoD did not know for sure who used CW, as they did not know which government they were considering launching strikes against.

            My preference for PM in UK is not particularly relevant.

            It is more relevant to ask if the UK feels that its current PM is representing its national interests adequately and if the current PM is providing good domestic governance and reflection of the views of the UK people.

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          • green ink says:

            sorry Real missed your reply earlier and using an iPad is so irritating will do so in the morning.

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          • green ink says:

            I just don’t see Putin as having been helpful in any sense nor can we expect him to be …whether it be iran h’bollah syria venezuela cuba et al… he has passed beyond seeking power to now wanting ‘Vlad the great’ status at home in a nation that is so thwarted socially the only resonating role he knows has the necessary combination of role model and tyrant is new-age stalin with a non stylish twist of quasi tsar.

            Your comments regarding type of arms and the varying degrees of
            nasty factor are very fair comment and I agree attributing responsibility is fraught with problems.

            Your point questioning why we didn’t demand intervention in his own backyard problems eludes me …the question of georgia is the area I think he got closest to the bone but the chechnya problems drew sympathy after the school and theatre incidents.

            Given you denegrate cameron’s performance so much its a surprise you don’t have an alternative preference.

            The fact remains he is the PM we have in situ and as such I would prefer him to have a full set of options available at this juncture however unpalatable the effects of that reality might seem.

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    • 72
      Blue Peter Goldfish says:

      I wish we were a small island that nobody hears from because our puffed up and pompous Politicians kept their gobs shut about things that don’t concern them or us, for once.

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    Keep Calm, Vote UKIP says:

    Can someone give Nigel a nudge and find out how UKIP will repair the UKs international standing after Cameron has finished monging things up ?

    The country could do with some good rhetoric about now.

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    Dave's Chief Advisor and Supplier says:

    We have put porn control and the promotion of buggery at the top of our list of burning issues

    C o k e comsumption is now so generalised in Downing Street and the House of Commons that we will legalise it

    That way we can take all these serious decisions walking on Cloud 11

    You window lickers shurely approve

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    Propaganda Watch says:

    What is not said or proven:

    i) Who launched the attack ? + Credible Proof.
    ii) Where the evidence was collected from, how and by whom ? + Credible Proof.
    iii) The body count stats quoted are currently disputed. Sourced from US State Department, the US were unable to confirm how they arrived at their figure.

    UK confirmation that Sar!n was used is a good start, but the UN confirmed this a few days ago.

    Explosive residue analysis should be possible on the samples if they were taken from the scene. That will help confirm the nature of the charge in the munition used.

    Further evidence from the scene will likely reveal the nature of the munition construction. (Fragments / Canister remains)

    Certainly not enough evidence upon which to launch strikes, as it is not clear at all which side should be targeted.

    It should be noted that independent UN inspectors had to withdraw once the announcement of strikes was made. This is for security reasons as the UN usually come under deliberate direct fire in those situations.

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    • 100
      Jack says:

      And the UN Inspectors are not mandated to ascribe blame

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      • 128
        Propaganda Watch says:

        No.

        But they are mandated to collect evidence impartially which can be used by others to make that determination.

        The only reason for UN involvement is impartiality.

        The US / France / UK / Russ!a / Syr!a can not be trusted as direct sources as they all have motivation to lie for propaganda purposes in order to extend their own objectives.

        It is good they can confirm lab results, as that helps prove the UN are not mistaken.

        Cameron’s pronouncement is a little leading and a good example of the propaganda technique in action.

        It is easy to move from this, to ‘The Syr!an Government did it’, but that is a false conclusion. However, a useful one if the UK government still desires UK armed involvement in Syr!a, in spite of what Parliament voted last week.

        The focus for the UK should be on Cameron’s motives.

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    • 103
      green ink says:

      the delivery systems for this scale of use are not generally available at the local wickes so unless the rebels borrowed it from the regime or weapons r us its assad’s boys and probably at the behest of his brother maher who was very pissed an assassination attempt had been made against some of his/their ‘family’ on a religious holiday

      assad’s father was an arch bastard and well known for it …the son is probably in the final analysis worse .. hes had a very soft rise and is there by favour of the military support his father engendered but he is vulnerable for that very reason and consequently just like gaddafyduck capable of anything to survive.

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      • 111
        Jack says:

        The ethnic cleansing and massacre of Christians by the Jihadis is just as bad if not worse
        If they win, what will you do about the inevitable massacres?
        Boots on the ground?

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        • 119
          green ink says:

          you’re preaching to the converted jack but what message do we send by not dealing with chemical weapons head-on .. in essence ‘you can do it when you like we don’t give a shit’ …the whole place is a can of worms and many would say let them get on with it and kill each other ad infinitum but using chemical weapons to do it opens a further can of worms we cannot accept

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          • Jack says:

            US French and British special forces have been aiding the rebels for months now

            Lethal weapons are being supplied to them by us and Saudis and Qataris

            The US supplied chemical weapons to Saddam which he used on the Iranians

            The Bush Cheney people are still running CIA etc

            Assad’s chemical attack stinks of a false flag again

            Plus it is mad to risk so much for this war crime when there are so many others committed including by US and , srael

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          • green ink says:

            So the contentions include …. the west supplies the rebels with chemical weapons to chuck at their own supporters to make it appear that its assad et al doing it.

            and the double strategy is that the west supplies assad with chemical weapons to do likewise but they got the co-ordinates wrong and whacked the rebels by mistake.

            Al Q and the other scumbags did it to anyone they could find

            Mickey mouse shits in the woods.

            Thus Clouseau deduces with Shylock’s Home Xfactor BB phone in vote that Assads got serious wind up that damascus is coming under increasing threat and his neck is twitching which results in his brother ok’ing the chemical strikes.

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          • Casual Observer says:

            Your scenarios have varying degree’s of plausibility.

            It is only possible to prove or disprove the Mickey Mouse case beyond reasonable doubt.

            You also miss the case that there could have been an accident leading to mistaken release on either side. The accident hypothesis though is a little doubtful as the west did seem very geared up for this attack.

            Why was Truman moved to the Arabian Sea in time for Nimitz to go to the Red Sea ? That takes a little time to coordinate, and coincidences do not happen.

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          • green ink says:

            absolutely CO this has been going down for some time but in fairness nimitz or others of their kind are in the med every summer as their crews of some 6000 plus well testify but their presence now is evidently useful.

            similarly our sub was off Gib last week and our own craft are in the med typically at this time of year also.

            Vlads sending his own now…usual chess play.

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          • Blowing Whistles says:

            I must re-read all those articles ‘published’ into the Public Domain by the D Mail and elsewhere about CW’s of Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 and of just exactly who’s been duping whom and of who are desperate to 4GET those published articles.

            BTW – who the fuck runs the US other than the Israelis and their moneylending, blackmailing entrapment MERCHANTS of criminal enterprise?

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          • Not Blowing Whistles says:

            Saud! Arab!a ?

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          • Blowing Whistles says:

            SRabia says NBW – btw just been dedoom’d – cos I struck into the old group of idiot tools ‘n fools the compass and square boys who’ve been duped for all of their sad old lives and can’t admit that A Wish..aup.t and his mates skrewed them good n proper.

            Srabia – god forbid that they atop aint actually pale faces Ughh Nomads) as well …?

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          • Not Blowing Whistles says:

            At a higher level possibly.

            Report from G’ermany interesting, but broadly empty of hard facts:

            h**p://rt.com/news/germany-syria-sarin-intelligence-326/

            An intercepted call could be anyone making the ‘snapped’ claim. Which is why this maybe has not been seriously run. BND is dodgy in any case: They even openly admit to allow political interests to affect their operations in that article.

            Russ!a does have a direct interest, particularly in supporting the Syr!an government, and people may be too quick to overlook this.

            Why have the Western Media been hesitant to point that out, and why is the overt build up of Russ!an military hardware in the Med seemingly not newsworthy ?

            It is almost as if they are swimming into a net…

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          • Blowing Whistles says:

            Tuesday, January 29th 2013 D Mail – Published into the Public Domain

            “U.S. ‘backed plan to launch chemical weapon attack on Syria and blame it on Assad’s regime’ ”

            Desperate old men who have “lived the lie” and continue the sins of their fathers’ spinelessness – save that their fathers were duped.

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          • Not Blowing Whistles says:

            Indeed. But whilst the case is being made to save the children of Syr!a from poison gas, their would be saviours continue to steal children from parents at home:

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2413319/Father-secretly-records-moment-hour-old-baby-taken-away-social-services.html

            A state which operates in this way has zero legitimacy.

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      • 123
        Propaganda Watch says:

        Turkey did report finding CW consignments in trucks passing across border to insurgent areas some time back.

        Russ!a released details of the Mar 13th attack confirming the gas was sourced from home made munitions. The insurgents are believed to be responsible.

        All that is needed is an improvised rocket with explosive charge and the canister of gas. These are within scope for the insurgents to manufacture in the field. This is why evidence of explosive residue is important which should be on the samples, if the samples have the gas residue.

        (There are videos of insurgents playing with such home made munitions on uTube, apparently posted by the insurgents.)

        The type of charge residue helps identify the type of munition use, but is not proof of who actually used it. This only helps to build the case from a circumstantial angle: The government are less likely to use home made, but what about a false flag ? etc.

        Cui Bono is the key for shifting doubt boundaries, and the Syr!an Government has no motive, but the insurgents most certainly do.

        As both sides are equally adept with propaganda, the case of this being a triple-X false flag by the Government will be impossible to credibly make or indeed prove.

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    • 106
      Blue Peter Goldfish says:

      Further, what constitutes a chemical attack, could have been released by a conventional weapon (RPG) discharged at storage dump by whoever, all pretty flimsy stuff on the basis of “British scientists have detected deadly sarin nerve agent on the clothing of one of the victims of the gas attack in Syria”… One of them?. Does Dave recommend bombing them all on the basis that there is no proof yet who is using what and against whom. Still remember the BBC touting weather station equipment as proof of portable Saddam chemical weapons in the era of Blair and Campbell so forgive my scepticism.

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      • 110
        Mililong's socialist hero, President Hollande says:

        “Does Dave recommend bombing them”

        Nope. But I do.

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        • 114
          Jack says:

          Yes Dave recommends bombing even now

          And he is thereby flouting the will of the British Parliament which voted against it

          He has no mandate to recommend a policy rejected by Parliament

          He could even be charged with treason

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        • 190
          Teasy Weasy says:

          Dave recommends bumming – sadly Vlad’s not convinced.

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    • 113
      Henry Duke, Normandy says:

      You know what Cameron’s trouble is ? He thinks we’re all as stupid as he is.

      Why on earth should anyone believe the words of a proven liar like him ?

      Will no-one rid us of this purulent beast ?

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  32. 109
    LITTLE ED (without his union paymasters) says:

    Rather like watching Dave playing at politics without actually doing anything

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  33. 112
    Angular Merkel @ G20 says:

    For you Tommy, ze var never even begun!

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  34. 117
    Paxmong's Beard (no relation to Mary) says:

    I can’t stop laughing at the brass neck of the BBC who are ‘outraged’ at the waste of 28 million pounds by IDS’s department.

    This would be the BBC that wasted 100 million on its own shite IT system and has a habit of handing out massive payout’s to any lefty cuunt that decides to leave.

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    • 126
      British Benders Corporation/ Common Porpoise says:

      We only overpaid £4m though. Call it rounding up.

      Like

    • 133
      Prosecute the BBC management says:

      The BBC management (big word to use for the kleptocrats) seem to think it is normal to mislay, overpay or simply steal tens of millions of £

      It is all documented and denounced especially in the DM and it STILL going on

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    • 137
      Lefty Langdale says:

      This is one of the biggest scandals of modern times. It is difficult to exaggerate its importance, although I will try . The whole nation is outraged.

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      • 145
        Beeboid labour mouthpiece says:

        Perhaps we could have a Newsnight special like they do when the RTories do anything at all. Oh wait a minute

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  35. 118
    Paxmong's Beard (no relation to Mary) says:

    I have proof that the Moon is made of cheese….but you can’t see it. Just trust me.

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  36. 120
    Fuck the bum bandit Tories. says:

    So bum boy Vague and Camermong want us to support these fucking cuunts? how long before it’s westerners being executed like this? You know London style?

    Fuck them all I don’t give a shit and it’s about time you fucking Tory shit stabbers got the message.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2412700/Stripped-bound-shot-head-Horrifying-fate-Assad-s-soldiers-executed-camera-Syrian-rebels.html

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    • 129
      Anonymous says:

      You naive fuckwit you don’t think that Assads forces are doing this? Actually given your obvious low IQ you probably don’t. You only believe what reports that support your twisted, deluded, and childish lack of comprehension of events and so you can attack the government in this country.
      You are obviously Labour and an utter dipstick so Just fuck off.

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    • 135
      Anonymous says:

      What never ceases to amaze me is posters like you that accept without question that this story is fact yet no doubt you probably decried similar stories stating Assad gassed his own people.

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    • 151
      Propaganda Watch says:

      Assad’s soldiers could have captured some insurgents, swapped clothes, and then staged this. That sort of thing goes on in civil wars.

      That would be excellent propaganda from the Syr!an Government to use against the insurgents.

      So, next question is: How did the DM check its sources and confirm this before it ran it ?

      Why did it run this story ? I do not see how it can be in the public interest following last weeks vote against intervention in Parliament.

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  37. 124
    moderate influence says:

    Dave looks like a man at a party with no drink around. Now playing piggy (arf!) in the middle to the two gods at the table, likely to say “right children, stop squabbling now or I shall be very cross indeed.”

    Bombing Sy ria seriously is as likely as Spring now to start. A couple of airstrips probably, Saddass promises not to do it again and all go home to bed.

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  38. 125
    Anonymous says:

    Just watched the PM question time and noted that Cameron did not look at Milliband throughout but for 3 occasions. Each one of those occasions he quite simply ripped Milliband and Labour in general a new arsehole to pump out there utter shit.

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  39. 132
    moderate influence says:

    Dave boasts we are feeding more Syrians than any other nation. Errr..why?? Also, is the £300m coming out of the funny money despot pension fund foreign aid thingy account or is new money?

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    • 138
      Anonymous says:

      Because they are living in appalling hardship and most of this is not their fault. Unlike the labour couch potatoes that receive infinitely more and the only exodus they have to do is travel between their couch, the benefits office and then back to the couch via the offie.

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      • 152
        Living in 97.222% white Merseyside says:

        I don’t. Everything goes into my bank account with no questions asked.

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      • 153
        Reality says:

        So, blood money from the UK for its part in arming, training and funding the insurgents who started the destabilization of their country ?

        We really don’t owe them anything as such charity does not absolve the original sin.

        Better to look after the homeland.

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      • 159
        moderate influence says:

        Let`s feed the remaining 4 billion in the world also short of food then, for 6 months when we go tits up with the cost!

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        • 161
          Casual Observer says:

          Looking at the UK debt figures it is credible that Labour tried to do that already. Look where it has got us.

          (Labour didn’t though…)

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        • 165
          The EU is croques (de merde) monsieur says:

          We have all these food banks. Why can’t we just lend them the food?

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    • 147
      Merkel and the Germans says:

      We are very rich. But we prefer to spend our money on our own people. Or conquering Greece.

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      • 157
        A few facts help says:

        Germany is the biggest net contributor to EU Budget

        Major contributor to humanitarian work worldwide

        Attack bthe right people please

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        • 211
          Vorsprung Durch Hochstapelei says:

          They contribute money but rigged the Euro and interest rates in their favour so they get it all back through a rigged market.

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    • 320
      The Poor says:

      FFS

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  40. 146
    Bollocks Broadcasting Corporation says:

    Cameron is being totally ignored at G20. If he had declared war on Syria as we advised him to, he would have been the star of the show.

    Like

    • 148
      The British Public says:

      We don’t care. Syria is none of our business. David Cameron’s social unease is his problem.

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    • 154
      EU Watch says:

      Whilst the UK is in the EU and subject to EU bloc trade quotas, the UK presence at G20 is a little academic. The UK cannot sign any direct deals, but will only be able to support EU negotiations.

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    • 155
      Living in 97.222% white Merseyside says:

      He should stop trying to avoid Cristina. I’m sure she would like to talk to him about, about, about………………………. about fracking.

      Her natives are revolting about that.

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    • 156
      Editor of Titler glossy mag says:

      He is the Official Court Poodle this evening

      Good for the decor

      With his Old Etonian tie tied around his tail

      He looks the part

      They are dining in a nice pad BTW

      Does anyone know it?

      It is actually a museum nowadays

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      • 188
        Dave's Oxford Tutor says:

        Well, I hope they are impressed.

        We taught him to sit, stay and roll over on command, and of course he is house trained.

        Did I mention that our PPE courses are open to all. Applications welcome.

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  41. 162
    The EU is croques (de merde) monsieur says:

    If they ban porn I shall have to toss myself off a bridge.

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  42. 163

    I tried to buy some Buckfast when I was in Britain just to be able to say that I knew what it was. No shop had it in stock but I got some funny looks.

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    • 173
      Tachybaptus says:

      Haven’t seen any in a shop for ages, but I was given some many years ago. You haven’t missed anything. Imagine a poor imitation of Dubonnet flavoured with artificial vanilla, with a nagging undertone of rusty iron, and you’ve got the idea.

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    • 204
      The Wild Colonial Boy says:

      Did you try north of the Tweed? I understand it is going to power the independence of that new nation.

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  43. 164
    Fazliabbas Raffiq says:

    just TWO simple questions for cameroon the pm who lost the Syrian commons vote:
    1.When the takfiri cannibal rebels were caught red handed with chemicals crossing the turkish border into Syria, where was all your humanitarian concern at that time or was your govt responsible for that “aid” to the rebels
    2. When the takfiri cannibal rebels were videoed eating the Syrian soldiers body parts. you showed no concern, could it be because denying the cannibals body parts would be in conflict with their human rights

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  44. 166
    Janet Peat-Snorter says:

    Explain to me again, Mr Cameron, why it is OK to shoot or bomb children but not OK to gas children. The subtlety is lost on me (and no doubt the children as well).

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    • 181
      David, call me Prime Minister if you like says:

      Thanks for your question, Janet

      Children are, kinda, similar to young adults, in a way, aren’t they?

      They Play-Station against the bombs and the bullets every day of their young lives and are, therefore, more acclimatised to these hazards.

      As far as I am informed, PS4 doesn’t DO gas and, I assume, it hasn’t reared it’s ugly head in previous versions.

      This is why I consider gas to be below the belt.

      Vote ME, whenever.

      Dave ♥

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  45. 167
    Chav says:

    I saw some geezer rip out a blokes heart in a bootlegged Indiana Jones film once. Can we bomb the Temple of Doom ?

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  46. 174
    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, says:

    Russia mocked Britain today as “a small island no one listens to”, sparking a diplomatic spat with David Cameron.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10290243/Russia-mocks-Britain-the-little-island.html

    Dmitry Peskov, Mr Putin’s official spokesman, is said to have highlighted that embarrassment, telling Russian journalists that Britain was now diplomatically irrelevant.

    Fucking jumped up Etonian wanker, finally put in his place.

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    • 176
      lonewarrior says:

      Whilst complaining of babies gassed in Syria they starve our own here.
      Whilst talking of refugees he makes his own homeless
      whilst giving away aid he cuts social security
      whilst cutting the armed forces to the bone he provides billions for Trident
      he slashes ships planes men then expects us to fight in a war that once again is no concern to us
      He is after the Falkland’s factor , every decision he makes is for a vote, nothing else.
      Political bullshit.
      he has become a fat faced git, too much red wine and chillaxing , a man who opens his mouth then tries to bully a nation bled dry to make war on another .
      Assad turns on his people , and Cameron has done the same, we the poor would be gassed if him and IDS could get away with it.
      many times the conservative party have issued orders to shoot protesters don’t be fooled by their hypocrisy

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    • 180
      moderate influence says:

      But its true, irrelevant. Pretence at world stage stuff decade in and out while we have the highest debt except Japan, we need pragmatic leaders who will kill the waste of money this country endures, stop the mass inflows of bloodsuckers and fucking get smart.

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      • 199
        A Taxpayer says:

        Stop the influx? We need to do much much more than that and kick out the millions of illegal immigrants. They drive down wages, increase rents and unemployment and place huge stress on the infrastructure.

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    • 200
      Someone says:

      The Russians are silly. They could be making friends.

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  47. 177
    Tachybaptus says:

    Sarin is not difficult to make. It could be the regime, it could be the rebels, it could be the Iranians or it could be the Isr-elis. or it could be the local McDonalds

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  48. 178
    Mongs of War says:

    Whatever happened to the Chilcot report ?

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  49. 194
    The Eagle Sisters says:

    We are on message Guidi

    Porn should be free on the NHS

    The glorious promoter of this brilliant idea is Dirty Desmondo your friend and fellow fighter for all the downtrodden wankers of the world

    The motto of Ed’s Labour is of course

    Wankers of the World Unite

    And make the hedge fund managers fikthy rich (yoy know the rest)

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  50. 195
    Owen Jones says:

    I guess if I had to describe my Rosh Hashanah I’d say shofar shogood.

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  51. 201
    P l e b says:

    Time to trust the country which killed Alexander Litvinenko with a nuclear bomb in his tea?

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  52. 206
    Heil Cameron says:

    Weasel words from a fatally wounded incompetent weak and feckless unelected Prime Minister. David “charlatan” Conman is a disgrace to the very office, as he totally mishandled the vote on Syria and is derided as a joke by other world leaders including Obama. No mention of the vast majority 65% of British people against rushing to a hasty and uncertain war, nor a mention of 30 of his MP’s and 11 Lib Dems voting against the government motion, you are an utter disgrace of a PM who should have already resigned for the damage he is doing to Britain and its reputation

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  53. 208
    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

    HOW DID THAT HAPPEN ??

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    • 215
      hot off the piss says:

      telegraph quick on the ball (don’t laugh)

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    • 222
      Pussy Riot says:

      It’s called free speech. The Russians admire that sort of thing.

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    • 223
      nellnewman says:

      That’s a bit like Russia then? Nobody listens to them either!

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    • 224
      Philosopher says:

      Actually he is right

      But does it matter?

      We should cultivate iur garden as Voltaire would say

      Plenty of interesting things and people in UK

      A touch of moral collapse which could be remedied somewhat

      But what is the interest of telling other people what tobdo?

      Let them get on with it as long as they do not attack us

      And go down to the pub for the last one…

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      • 232
        The British Public says:

        Exactly. Too much effort has been spent on posturing by British leaders and too little on getting the basics of governance right. Most of the 20th century was taken up with such nonsense. Let’s hope that they finally focus on what is important.

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  54. 225
    nellnewman says:

    Anybody give a thought to militwit tonight – he is after all being abandoned by the unions.

    Poor Militwit!

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  55. 233
    The British Public says:

    Fine sentiments, but in reality, not too likely to happen.

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  56. 238
    The BBC are cunts says:

    WE’RE NOT DISCREDITED, ARE WE ??????????

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    • 249
      Prosecute the BBC says:

      The BBC is totally discredited

      Patten is a buffoon – Has never run a business

      The BBC is out of control

      The Police should be in there for huge financial fraud as well

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    • 251
      A Sensible Proposal says:

      Sack the lot of them. The BBC has had its day. Break it up into four or five separate companies and keep only one of them – I reckon Radio 4 would be about the size of it, as a publicly owned broadcaster

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    • 262
      Prosecute the BBC says:

      And the former Chairman of Barclays is involved as Chairman of BBC Trust Remuneration Committee!

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    • 281
      Less Excited than You Might Think says:

      Does that mean he will be arrested, tried and imprisoned for subverting our nation’s democracy? Thought not.

      Like

  57. 240
    BEEB says:

    These sweet downtrodden angels are innocent. They wouldn’t dream of using any nasty gas to hurt people.

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  58. 243
    NHS helpline says:

    its not a realistic sentiment

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  59. 244
    Jack says:

    I think Obama if fully aware of this… He pulled out of Iraq and is nearly out of the Afghan horror story

    But as amply discussed, who is driving US policy on Syria?

    AIPAC..

    Can they be stopped? We will see shortly…

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  60. 245
    nellnewman says:

    Ok let’s be really balanced here.

    What does EdMilband stand for? What are his policies? Do we really think he’d be good in No10?

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  61. 247
    a prolific telegraph blog bore- not Iggy Jerk or Simon Coultard says:

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  62. 250
    Bob Fleming says:

    The public in civilised countries don’t give a flying fcuk about Muslims in Syria or anywhere else. In fact they dont want to see them or hear about them. Politicians take note

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  63. 255
    Dr P a u l C r a i g Roberts says:

    Addendum

    Note the reports from congressional offices of the total lack of any support for Obama’s attack on Syria. The entire world is now watching the obama regime demonstrate its total disregard for the will of the people. The obama regime is showing that American democracy is a hoax.

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/calls-to-congress-244-to-1-against-syria-war/

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  64. 260
    Bob Fleming says:

    That goes for the BBC, the guardian and the rest of the bed wetting, do nothing, self satisfied, smug, public funded cretins. There, I’ve said it

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  65. 263
    Bob Fleming says:

    Newsnight is now banging on about cutting young girls clitoris’s out. Anyone watching would think this is an English problem. This is imported savagery BBC – who let these third world savages into my country?

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    • 274
      Akela​​​, 1st Cockup-By-Widdling Pack says:

      This is not particularly unusual behaviour in the field. Through the late-sixties and early seventies, I, and Bagheera, were in the habit of “gaping” the sixers’ fundaments with a marquee-stake.
      They seemed to prefer this to being pinned, face-down, over the latrine-trench.

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  66. 273
    dave hoo? says:

    yeee-haaaa mutherfukers

    we can bomb the shit out of syria

    but you don’t get to see no titties coz that is just plain RONG!

    and hey, if you like bum-sex then vote for me!

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  67. 275
    Downing Street Wanna be says:

    I’m fighting for my life

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  68. 279
    Lord Fatten says:

    The BBC is a National Treasure.

    The pay-offs are certainly like finding a vast treasure.

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  69. 282
    sticky mags says:

    readers wives traumatised me

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  70. 283
    the money shot says:

    readers wives is a national institution

    Like

  71. 297
    Chris Bryant says:

    Gaydar Locked On.

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  72. 300
    Not Blowing Whistles says:

    Thank you BW

    The Daily Mail article you mentioned and which has been re-quoted quite a lot recently is here:

    h**p://web.archive.org/web/20130130091742/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270219/U-S-planned-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-Syria-blame-Assad.html

    Now this article was based in part on source from info wars dot com (remember Alex Jones ?)

    There was a case made by ‘Syr!an Contacts’ that Agent-15 had been deployed. In an effort to draw Amer!ca across the red line.

    The problem is that Agent-15 does not exist. It is a piece of dis-information which used against !raq during the 90s:

    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/01/25/buzz_bomb

    So – the narrative in that DM article is a little more complex than it first appears. Indeed this is a layer beneath.

    NB: If you search on the internet you will find Agent-15 quoted alongside BZ.

    The penetration of this piece of disinformation is quite deep. There is a lot of this in the public domain in order to help agencies determine if certain claims are potentially credible or not. Remember that most of the internet is not properly fact checked and is a useful tool for information dispersion.

    It is in part these prior incredible claims which are causing very legitimate pause for thought. The mail running this story, probably outside the loop, may in part have affected the UKs credibility standing on Syr!an issues with the US. If it was in on the act, the DM would probably not have tried to bury the article.

    A very good lesson in why media reports on these serious issues cannot be trusted, and an insight into how governments do lie for strategic planning reasons.

    Cheers for reminding me about this one, it is important that people are aware.

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  73. 302
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    When the Reply status breaks down it is just like trying listening to Newsnight.

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  74. 304

    Crikey, mega night out with some friends. Am knackered. Glad I have no work tomorrow!

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  75. 315
    Georgie Osborne says:

    got a flick of me snorting charlie off a black hookers tits somewhere

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  76. 336
    MundaneArousal says:

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