August 30th, 2013

Parliament Votes to Do Nothing

SYRIA-VOTE

David Cameron lost the vote on the principle of military action in Syria.  He accepted the will of parliament, “I believe in respecting the will of the House of Commons. The British people do not want to see military action. I get that”. He failed to convince his own backbenchers that it was in the national interest…


169 Comments

  1. 1
    Anonymous says:

    Politicians play their games while innocent kids die. No wonder our political class is held in contempt.

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    • 12
      Unsurprised says:

      Disgusting use of that picture. Shame on you and your neo-con assclown assistants, Guido.

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      • 35
        Just Saying says:

        Come on…. Has the picture been authenticated?

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        • 40
          Britain is not a US protectorate. says:

          Its fat lard butt Guido using cheap propaganda techniques. He really should be ashamed of himself.

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          • John Doe says:

            Remember, it was UKIP and Farage that called this correctly first in the MSM.

            Vote UKIP.

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          • Fact Inserter says:

            If Britain had participated in airstrikes, I’m sure that this website would have been equally willing to display images of the Syrian children killed and maimed as the ‘collateral damage’ of British cruise missiles.

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          • crash says:

            Surprised at you Guido, we cannot make these situations any better, children die either way. The Sunnis and Shias hate eachother and will continue to fight on any pretext, whether it’s anti government protests, gas pipelines or settling old scores that sets off the conflicts.

            Our blundering in there affects any missile strike not one bit since the US are more than capable of doing it on their own. Yes we have damaged the ‘special’ relationship but according to Obama, America has no greater friend in Europe than France whether we put our tongues in their ears or not. Let the French hold America’s guns for them, we’ll save the money this time.

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      • 160
        Anonymous says:

        +1

        Here here.

        Are you competing for shabbat goy or the year Guido?

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    • 13
      Phil Hammond says:

      We have now given Sadam Hussein carte blanche to commit more atrocities in Vietnam.

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    • 42
      Connaisseur says:

      If Cameron was not a shameless chancer like his chum the war criminal Blair

      He would resign

      But he has no shame either

      Perhaps Morgan Stanley should give him call

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      • 65
        MiliCoward says:

        What has he got to resign for? Grow a moral spine & and grow a few braincells. Better still. Fuck off to your U Skip blog! With your gob filled with white feathers!

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        • 96
          Dave should resign now says:

          He should perhaps resign for dragging the office of Prime Minister into a very bad place, and for being involved in the orchestration of this ludicrous policy which now makes the UK look somewhat iffy on the international stage.

          The correct line would to have been to present a slightly different motion advocating diplomacy and escalation of the matter to the UN.

          Trying to respond to the lame duck across the pond, Mr. Obama, was guaranteed to have this result.

          The response to the no vote: ‘I get it’ is hardly a credible response fit for the Prime Ministers office either.

          This was not some dispute over parking between a couple of chavs in Torquay.

          In the meantime, what is being done about the threat that the EU poses, and the small matter of Spa!ns fucking about with G!braltar.

          Now those are direct problems affecting UK interests.

          Syr!a is not.

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        • 114
          Disgusted of Antarctica says:

          What time’s your appointment at the Armed Forces Careers Centre?

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    • 43
      Don't be vague, sack Hague says:

      William Hague has a lot to answer for as well. As Nelson correctly says this is about Foreign policy and the Foreign minister got it badly wrong and I suspect carried away with his own sense of self importance.

      I would not be surprised if Hague is a back bencher come Monday or the cabinet re-shuffle at the latest.

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      • 60
        MiliCoward says:

        Gawd help us if we are not gassed by Tuesday. Stupid stunts!

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      • 61
        Jack says:

        It is Cameron and the Chief Whip (is he still on holiday?) Who misjudged the opinion of the Governments MPs not Hague who has to travel most of the time

        Cameron and the Chief Whip are tyoical arrogant supercilious Old Etonians

        They should both resign

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      • 91
        Heel Patch says:

        Hague was banging the war drums long before there was any suggestion of chemical weapons use in Syria, seems to be in the nature of foreign secretary’s in this country, drop everybody else in the shit and then relax in a golden glow of hubris.

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      • 138
        The British Public says:

        Is backbencher a code word for bunbandit?.

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    • 57
      Hague to Resign? says:

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    • 97
      A Humanist says:

      Lobbing bombs at random was never going to help reduce the killing in the civil war.

      The vote was not to do nothing but was against irrational bombing.

      We need to get the confidence of the Russians who have some leverage over Assad and get him to the negotiating table.

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      • 103
        Piss In Our Time says:

        “We need to get the confidence of the Russians…”

        Putin is a morals free zone. Only the fairies at the bottom of the garden would have any chance of getting Russia to set aside its commercial/political interests for the benefit of foreign civilians being slaughtered in a struggle between monsters.

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        • 141
          Our leaders are as bent as the rest says:

          There are certainly fairies at the bottom of your garden if you’re dumb enough to believe there’s any morality in most of the west’s actions.

          The only thing separating our corrupt leaders and the rest of the world’s is a more slick propaganda machine.

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          • Morgan's Organ says:

            Absolute bloody rubbish Guido! THIS WAS NOT A VOTE TO DO NOTHING!

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          • Piss In Our Time says:

            The only thing separating our corrupt leaders and the rest of the world’s is a more slick propaganda machine.

            The other only thing is that our corrupt bastards need to be voted back into their jobs every few years. Putin doesn’t need to pretend to worry about that.

            And I would hardly call what has been going on in London and Washington over the past few days ‘slick propaganda’ – sick, but not slick.

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    • 153
      Best vote in years says:

      Is that jimmy savile’s bedroom?

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    • 161
      Percy says:

      Well Geeds, that has put your plan to volunteer to go to fight in Syria into touch, to show your strategic nous and leadership skills and you are more than just a blogger but a man of action

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  2. 2
    Anonymous says:

    Shove that up your jacksie, you defender of ‘western’ values!

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    • 118
      Tony Blair (special envoy for peace in the Middle East) says:

      Y’know, look, I simply say this: we need to send in humanitarian cruise missiles, because it’s the right thing to do.

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  3. 3
    Anonymous says:

    …. because it wasn’t.

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  4. 4
    psitch says:

    You may not like it but it reflects the will of the electorate. Things might have been different if not for Iraq and Afghanistan.

    My view is that it is not for us to become involved in someone else’s civil war

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    • 17
      lojolondon says:

      I agree, shame on Guido for wanting war when there is STILL NO EVIDENCE. I want to know why 272 of these people voted FOR war under these conditions. Given all the recriminations since Iraq, with everyone saying ‘I only voted for war because Bliar lied to me’ and ‘the dossier was sexed up to make us vote for war, I will never do that again’, how short are their memories??

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    • 19
      Simon B says:

      The “electorate” is filled with stupid, working-class, feminist know-nothings. This whole democracy lark, as it stands, is seriously overrated and starting to destroy Western culture. We allow those with no job the right to vote; we give equal weight to the view of one man vs. a corporation who produces billions and employs thousands. We let the so-called “disabled” vote on if they get more money. We let students have a say on whether they pay tuition fees or not. Yet major shareholder and property owners get treated as if they are somehow equal to these untermensch and are only allowed one personal vote vs. a large and deserved corporate block vote.

      Until we take decision-making power away from the majority of the electorate, we productive people are doomed to communism, “peace”, and an equal status with these sub-cockroach “humans”.

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      • 27
        Living in 97.222% white Merseyside says:

        Just don’t take away my bennies and pensions. Despite events dear boy, they remain as solid as the Rock of Gibraltar.

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        • 44
          Simon B says:

          All benefits (of every sort) and pensions should be stopped right now. If you don’t have a job, you’re pathetic and don’t deserve a penny of my support. You either didn’t do what your boss said or you’re simply useless. If you’re “disabled”, wahh wahh, but why should a penny of my taxes go to pay for you to live, even if nobody will hire you? Not my problem. Survival of the fittest, mate, that’s what capitalism is about. So you’re old, have no private pension, don’t want to work but expect to sponge off people like me? Sod off, you should’ve sorted out your own pension from reputable private pensions providers. You’re even more of a fool if you thought your “National Insurance” was supposed to give you any standard of living. See how these commies, geriatrics and spongers talk? They want to take from wealth-creators and people like US who invested wisely, keep their workers in their place and did their utmost to avoid any and all tax. These “disabled” left-wing commie lesbian effete student feminists should be culled before the badgers.

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          • Its the way I tell 'em. says:

            So you don’t like them then?

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          • Simon B says:

            There are two types of people, mate. Those who produce money and those who eat up other peoples’ money. I know which group I belong to.

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          • Calidius Eroticus says:

            You are an unfunny cock. You’re also repetitive and nowhere near as insightful as you think you are. I deduce from your posts that you are a student. I take this view because your posts show no attempt at an understanding of the issue at all, you think you are right because your brain tells you that is the only correct view point. In short, you have not thought through what is being discussed and post only because you think you are making some kind of political point. Which to be honest, only makes sense in your head, while it vaguely irritates everybody else.

            You are not, and never will be, an elder statesman of the left, right, or the fucking drain.

            Now fuck off.

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          • Chris Cav says:

            Wow, just Wow and this is why this country is in the mess it is in because of people with so much self interest. another keyboard warrior slamming on those less fortunate than himself.

            Those people gave into reputable pensions at the time and didn’t realise that the banks were going to rinse them and take everything that they thought was invested for their futures, your lucky Hitler never succeeded or you would not be worrying about your wealth as it would not be shared.

            As for Guido it is becoming clearer what you stand for and the propaganda that you proliferate simply with the intention of being noticed, you sir are the modern day political whore selling your opinions to the highest dim bidder shame on you using this picture. Well done George Galloway for his speech and the conviction he gave in ensuring that we were not drawn into another false war for the profits of shareholders e’g’ Raytheon.

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          • Simala Road says:

            Simon B is a 17 year old kid, he has just learnt a little bit about politics in his media studies course at this local community college. His comments are part of his homework, he does it all the time, getting himself a little bit harder with each comment, thinking he is some kind of ironic genius. Just remember the more you reply to the sad fucker the harder his sweaty little rancid c0ckebecomes.

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          • Simon B says:

            Simon B is actually a 54-year old successful businessman who brings in millions of pounds worth of profit to the UK and employes over 50 people. Just because I happen to be very economically libertarian and socially conservative with a strong nationalist, fascist-light tint does not mean I am your object of ridicule. Like a typical jealous commie, you play the man and not the ball, attacking me for what you think I am based on your own personal inability to hack it in our capitalist society. People like me make the world; people like you whine about the world and say it’s “unfair”.

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          • crash says:

            I was with you until I found out that you believe in such a thing as a ‘reputable pension provider’. hahaha

            Anyway the disabled are ok, but pensioners can blow me. They kept voting for communists who spent all of the national insurance on social workers and British Leyland. Morons.

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          • Mary Whitehouse says:

            So fuck off to the USA if you dont like it and say halo to uncle Tebbit . Think on this how do you justify one man with £6 billion and two billion living hand to mouth . Try not to choke on your foi gras and dont lose your temper when Jenkins isnt there to wipe the eggy of your chin

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      • 81
        The Nasty Tory Party is back says:

        I seem to remember that the know-nothings have just had to bail our your worthy “corporate” interests to the tune of hundreds of billions of £

        Perhaps if banks could behave as competent honest citizens, you might have a leg to stand on

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        • 164
          chris cav says:

          Make sure yer millions are held under your bed because when the banks go bump again which they will you will only get 80, 000 back then lets see you ridicule then, what a pompous tosser you are.

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  5. 5
    Anonymous says:

    I don’t understand why Guido wants us to start bombing Syria when it is not at all clear who let off the poison gas. Where is the national interest?

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    • 9
      Simon B says:

      The national interest is providing demand for the wares of our defence, security and reconstruction industries and letting Our Boys let off some steam by going in and blowing stuff up. If you can’t see this then it is obvious you’ve been completely and subconsciously won over to the communist propaganda of the BBC.

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      • 85
        Calidius Eroticus says:

        Simon B speaks bollocks.

        If you had the slightest understanding of our armed Forces you would know that after two major wars they are not desperate for a chance to let off steam and blow shit up.

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        • 106
          Simon B says:

          Anyone who is in the Armed Forces and does not relish another chance to do what they were trained to do is not only a traitor, but probably a communist and definitely not one of Our Boys.

          The fact that Parliament voted no to action means a large loss of potential money for Our Arms Industry, their shareholders like me and ultimately our economy.

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          • The British Public says:

            You are a twat.

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          • The Critic says:

            What’s your military experieince? F -all I think. Do you seriously think soldiers ‘relish’ another Afghanistan where they have not been resourced to win the conflict,or they would have done so.

            Only people who have never had to do it ‘relish’ it

            In fact,do you seriously think at all?

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          • Ed Millionaireband says:

            I thay, thith Simon B fellow theems to post a lot. Perhaps he wepwethentth the view of motht voterth.
            I’ll have to adopt a few of hith ideas to thtart off thith manifthto of ours

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      • 148
        The Critic says:

        I would have thought common sense was in the national interest. By chance, Parliament have applied it. Enjoy the moment as it does not happen often.

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    • 20
      passerby says:

      Not sure he does mate

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    • 23
      Mark Skid says:

      Guido wants the British government to start bombing the Syrian government because he supports Israel. He rightly deduces that Israel is behind the pressure on the British government to whack the enemies of Israel. Everything about this site is good, apart from the Israel butt licking.

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  6. 6
    anon(ED) says:

    Well done the spineless socialists! May come back to bite them.

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    • 45
      Jabba Le Chat says:

      I think you’ll find that when you read the division lists, that it was was back bench Tories who sunk Cameron on this one…

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      • 105
        Piss In Our Time says:

        It was. It is a clear demonstration of the pitifully compromised leadership that grows out of coalition government.

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      • 122
        crash says:

        Modern day members of the Conservative partes are almost all socialists. In fact the rebels contain many honourable MPs who are performing their duty to do what they *believe* to be right at the time, despite the pressure and bribery of Flashman Cameron and his cronies.

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      • 132
        The British Public says:

        well done, go for it Assad we are behind you.

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  7. 7
    Anonymous says:

    This is why you stupid Hunt…

    Is this AQ firing chemical bombs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G5Tnh4C78Eo#t=116

    the Turks seem to have found the Rebels with Sarin in Turkey: http://rt.com/news/sarin-gas-turkey-al-nusra-021/

    and the UN seems to think the Rebels have a track record: http://guardianlv.com/2013/08/syrian-chemical-weapons-attack-carried-out-by-rebels-says-un/

    Not proof but certainly enough to create doubt…

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    • 145
      Who - Whom says:

      But that’s the wrong sort of chemical attack, and carried out by the wrong people.

      Sort of like how white people can be attacked in the streets again and again, and it never being a hate crime or anything to do with wycism.

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  8. 8
    Simon B says:

    Every MP who voted against attacking Syria is a traitor and possible communist sympathiser. The evil Assad is killing his own people in a civil war which he did not start, and even though the rebels are mostly al-Qa3da, this let down not only Our Boys who were itching to go kill some Muzl1ms, but also lets down our arms industry and those who patriotically invested in them with their own money.

    Parliament has been taken over by commies, peaceniks and secular rationalists. I’m disgusted.

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    • 16
      Heel Patch says:

      I take that as irony :-)

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      • 26
        Simon B says:

        Everyone thinks I’m either a Labour HQ troll or being ironic, but I am absolutely serious. Some people, like me, are hard-nosed, success-focused and near-far-right with an insatiable desire to destroy anything vaguely left-wing.

        Get over it.

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        • 41
          Heel Patch says:

          Get over what?.

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          • Jabba Le Chat says:

            He’s still upset by the fact that his wife likes it up the ass…

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          • Simon B says:

            If my wife even suggested she once thought of asking me to perform sodomy on her, we would’ve been divorced within ten minutes flat. I’m sorry, but I draw a line at that disgusting act. This is why we should, socially at least, run our society more along biblical lines. The death penalty for sodomy, no matter what sex was involved? I’d vote for it.

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          • Heel Patch says:

            Have we veered off from a political discussion? (Handycock not invited).

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          • Nurse says:

            Time to wipe off the froth that’s dribbled onto your keyboard.

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        • 108
          Mass Debater (age 15) says:

          Some people, like me, think an over the top pastiche is incredibly clever.

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        • 109
          Anonymous says:

          You are the best troll I’ve yet seen post on this blog by some margin – a really subtle sense of humour that is just within the bounds of being convincing to this site’s mouth-breathers : )

          10/10

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    • 94
      Jack says:

      You are Tony Blair

      And I claim my fiver

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    • 133
      The British Public says:

      Neutron weapons are the solution.

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  9. 10
    Anonymous says:

    Let’s drop Wee Willie Hague into Syria with his knife between his teeth…

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  10. 11
    Gordon "Mandeba" Brown says:

    I’m passing a motion.

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  11. 14
    Living in 97.222% white Merseyside says:

    Just home from the boozer are you Mr Fawkes?

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    • 116
      Simon B says:

      I really wish you would stop making snide comments about Guido while posting on his blog. If you don’t have the stones to acknowledge the benefits he has had on British political discourse and the way he has tirelessly exposed law-breakers and hypocrites, people he abhors, then you’re obviously a communist or a commie sympathiser. He’s our very own web-based Fox News and we should be proud of his independence as well as his tireless devotion to exposing People Who Break Laws as well as the Communist enemy within.

      Guido’s only recent fault is that Fox News beat him to posting photos of Bradley Manning along with the song “Dude Looks Like a Lady”.

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      • 158
        Sid Viscous says:

        Surely the point is we can post whatever we want on Guido’s blog, agree or disagree with his positions on different matters.

        You Simon B have the absolute right to put your views and anyone else has the same.

        What is thought of your statements is out of your control, however.

        Vote UKIP.

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  12. 15
    uk, usa and al qaeda together at last says:

    “it was in the national interest…”

    It’s in the national interest to collate the evidence and ensure we get the people who ACTUALLY did this you halfwit. Why can’t we wait a few weeks and think this through a bit? Syria isn’t going anywhere.

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    • 134
      The British Public says:

      We kmow who did it ,it was the rebels but the west want to get rid of assad, so he did it .

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  13. 18
    Timmytour says:

    A sad state of affairs…..but a bloody funny bit of Twitter spam!

    @piersmorgan Woww I cannot believe these pics, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS STUFF!!! http://t.co/SvztlqXvUs— Jessica White (@JessicaWhite007) August 29, 2013

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    • 56
      Timmytour says:

      Dammit…i was trying to embed the reply to the tweet Piers Morgan put up (RT’d by Guido). First response was a spam tweet talking about not believing the pics!!! How apt!!

      I’d advise anyone NOT to click on the link in the tweet!

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  14. 21
    Living in 97.222% white Merseyside says:

    No Western Approaches for L’pool Docks then.

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  15. 22
    Masada says:

    If Britain had not supported Poland in 1940, I and many others, would simply not exist today.
    Whilst military action might appear undesirable – and the vote in the Commons an apparent coup – I cannot help feeling that this may be a Pyrrhic victory based on self-interest, the consequences of which, will, in the long term, not reflect well on Britain when history reviews us.
    We appear to have decided to do nothing at all about the suffering in Syria, not even to denounce it.
    Thank you Ed Milliband. What a legacy you have given us. Your Jewish forefathers must be turning in their graves.

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    • 66
      Britain is not a US protectorate. says:

      Its about British lives and British interests ; feel free to take your gun and go off to Syria and join the ” Free Syrian Army ” if you want but don’t use young British lads to fight your wars.

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      • 112
        Disgusted of Antarctica says:

        It’s the same broken record with these chickenhawks. We have a ‘moral obligation’, but it is the moral obligation of other people to do it and not them. They haven’t served a day in their lives and they are due nothing but contempt.

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      • 124
        crash says:

        +1, and take your ipad so you can update us on how lovely your new Shia friends that you’re helping are.

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    • 99
      Polish patriot says:

      I seem to remember that Poland was destroyed and occupies byt both the Nazis and then the Communists for about 50 years

      And had to liberate themselves with the help of the Pope and glasnost

      Your comparison seems strange

      PS miliband’s grandfather fought with the Communists against the Polish people seeking independence in 1920

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      • 107
        Ad Hominem says:

        Ralph and Ed Miliband: Like father, like son: They are both c’unts.

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        • 167
          Greychatter says:

          Correction : Adolphe (father original name- came here on someone elses passport) and Ed Milliband.

          Ed wants to pursue the diplomatic route – David Cameron should nominate him as ambassador to Syria and let him go to Damascus to negotiate peace with the dictator Assad.

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    • 146
      Elvis says:

      The support was so good in 1939 (get the dates right) that Poland ended up being under German control until 1945 and Russian control until the late 80s. We did very little to help them in 1939.

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  16. 24
    genghiz the kahn says:

    When did Cameron find out about the 14 other lethal attacks on Syrian civilians? It doesn’t say much for his party management if he is warned that there backbenchers unwilling to support him, yet he still tries to run the vote through. There were plenty of leaks from MOD & FO sources implying that Cameron hadn’t convinced Army, RAF & RN that action was needed.

    Assad’s regime is odious, but does Cameron want to open the Syrian Pandora’s box, letting out Iranian proxies on Israel’s borders with access to CW?

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    • 36
      Donny says:

      “Assad’s regime is odious”

      Proof?

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    • 147
      Anonymous says:

      Assad’s regime is none of our damned business. Get it?

      You want to fight it, you can join the head choppers from your local mosque going out there.

      I don’t see why we despised English should lift a figure to help the political class. They can go to hell.

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  17. 25
    Major Disaster says:

    For all Guido’s pushing the war, and being rabidly in favour of military intervention, this is not our fight, go on Guido join the infantry you look like you could do with the excercise…

    We have not got enough of the military left for this war, we cannot afford it, and sending squaddies off to fight in Noddy suits in the heat of a Syrian suimmer is not the smartest idea…

    In any case the ‘evidence’ for this chemical warfare attack being carried out by Assad is very dubious, if you consider this…

    I read on the website of Valeurs Actuelles, a French weekly, an interesting message from a reader. He mentions the arrest by the Turkish authorities on the 30th May 2013 of a dozen members of Al Nosra ( close to Al Qaida). They were in possession of heavy weapons and of two kilograms of Sarin Gas. The reader refers to Turcs Taraf, Cumhuriyet and Aksam, three Turkish newsapapers. The same reader sends us back to another dispatch from Agence France Press regarding the recent seizure of ” a great quantity of gas masks” in South East Lebanon; According to an anonymous source these masks were to be delivered in Syria.

    So why is this not mentioned in the Joint Intelligence Committee report?

    Time you started asking some questions about that Guido….

    As was this whole Chemical attack a planned provocation by Al Queda, ironic to think that if Obama attacks Syria, the US of A will be on the same side as the bad guys…

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  18. 28
    Sir John Chilcot says:

    Shit!, I must get cracking on that bleeding report!

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    • 84
      Bobby says:

      The British People have waited for years for you to tell at least half of the truth

      About the shameless, corrupt, lying and frauding Blair government

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  19. 29
    Cardinal Richelieu's mole says:

    So Parliament does not want to do war – just as it did not on the previous dozen or so occasions that Syria used chemical weapons on its own people!

    All is not lost though since Assad may respond though to what might have been and confine his future slaughter to that undertaken with acceptable, non-chemical, weapons.

    And Hague may resign – recall he was the man who endorsed the notion of naming Heathrow after the late saint, so no stranger to a lack of judgement. lol

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    • 149
      Assad has used gas 10256 times before says:

      So Parliament does not want to do war – just as it did not on the previous dozen or so occasions that Syria used chemical weapons on its own people!

      Stick your state propaganda.

      You want war, you do the fighting and dying, not the sons and daughters of the white working class.

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  20. 31
    MiliCoward says:

    I kind of thought Milicoward had shafted the security of the country good & proper with his army of hypocrites.

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  21. 33
    Heel Patch says:

    Half witted Dave and Hague will be demanding the re-call of Parliament over red squirrel shooting in Asbasherstan next week (says Badger).

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  22. 37
    Post hoc says:

    There are many Poles and Jews alive today who owe their existence to British courage. As someone just reminded me, all it takes for evil to flourish is that good men do nothing. I hope Ed sleeps well tonight.

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    • 58
      SwiissMiss says:

      So we ought to be bombing the FSA, right? After all they carried out the chemical attacks.

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    • 113
      Disgusted of Antarctica says:

      What time’s your appointment at the Armed Forces Careers Centre tomorrow morning then? Or will you have to wait until Monday?

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    • 125
      crash says:

      Parliament’s decision does not prevented you from helping Uncle Sam and the FSA, off you go.

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    • 152
      Anonymous says:

      Guilt mongering bullsh1t.

      Nothing stopping you going off to fight. Join your local mosque today.

      No more English blood for the british establishment’s manufactured wars.

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  23. 46
    Not a Gay Day says:

    A fat lot of good it did Dave giving Homosexuals the marriage lines then.

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  24. 48
    REALWORLDER says:

    Just where were the targets for any air strikes ?
    The world is now familiar with the sight of so called surgical strikes taking out
    hospitals primary schools and apartment blocks.
    It would seem public opinion has at last been listened to,maybe the arrogant
    bastards might apply the same principals about the stinking mess that is the EU.

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      Propaganda Watch says:

      The clinical metaphors are designed purely to cloud the imagery of the actions in the mind of the public. There will be blood, like in a ‘surgery’, as the patient is ‘operated’ on.

      Slinging a few 1000lbs of high explosive, possibly with some DU and other goodies included, into a populated area at about the speed of sound is not surgical.

      The effect of the shock wave mashing internal organs, bursting eardrums, before one considers the flaying effect of supersonic concrete dust and glass, or indeed the thermal effects of heat is not surgical.

      The after effects of no water to clean wounds, and lack of food due to destroyed stock, creates the perfect condition for disease.

      That is the reality.

      The fundamental idiocy of the argument Cameron tried to bring forward though is quite simple.

      Is it morally the right thing to do to intervene at random on the basis of dubious allegations surrounding the deaths of a few hundred people in a civil war by carrying out actions which will likely cause an order of magnitude more people to perish ?

      One point not made by the MPs today is that any outside attack on the Syr!an government will likely push them into a position of committing real atrocities against those in the country as the government goes all out to defend itself.

      The Western interventions in Kosovo, !raq and elsewhere it can be shown did directly lead to an escalation in the level of violence committed against civilians and others caught between the two sides who were originally fighting.

      Why this was not raised in the debate today can only be due to ignorance on the part of MPs, or perhaps broadcasts that even though they wish to sit this out they are not opposed to the idea, but are more concerned about the safety of their seats.

      To another spin being put forward: The UK has not changed as a country in its outlook or concern about international events.

      It is returning to the position it previously held, which was a very much enlightened position, prior to the perversions which the Blair government sold us.

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    • 137
      The British Public says:

      Brussells seems to be a prime target for all these cruise missiles

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  25. 49
    Acid House says:

    David Cameron has lost far more than the argument over Syria. He put his credibility on the line tonight, and lost. This is not just an extraordinary defeat but a spectacular political misjudgment, as I say in my Daily Telegraph column tomorrow. There will be a great many more questions asked tomorrow: from a sleepy summer recess, Cameron has conjured up one of the most spectacular parliamentary defeats in modern political history. The first such foreign policy defeat since 1782. What on earth was No10 thinking? That it could depend on Ed Miliband’s support? (He spoke abysmally today, by the way, offering a “sequenced roadmap”, and his amendment was defeated. There are only losers in today’s vote.)

    A third of the Tory party is opposed to a Syria strike, the public is against it by a ratio of two-to-one. And yet still, the Prime Minister of a hung parliament tries to ram through a vote for military action using the same methods and logic as Iraq. Their own dodgy-looking dossier. The own Attorney General legal advice (or sections of it), claiming that it’s all okay really. And a Defence Secretary who went on Newsnight and actually spoke about taking action against “Saddam Hussein” rather than Bashar Assad. This is the guy who’d be planning the attack! The whole thing looked like an Iraqi Groundhog Day – and all for what? So Britain could piggyback on an American military strike on Syria, to help an America that doesn’t need our help anyway?

    I am personally sympathetic to Cameron’s arguments about Britain’s role in the world. But to force a vote in this way, with such shoddy preparation and so little forethought, would outrage Cameron’s allies. Why gamble all this political capital in such a way? Make no mistake: this is a foreign policy vote but weakens the government’s overall authority. Needlessly. All that political progress made over summer: wiped out. Already, Ed Miliband is trying to rewrite today’s history in a way that involves Plucky Ed standing up to America.

    As the leading article in this week’s Spectator says, an attack in Syria would be a war without a purpose. The more questions asked about this, the more questions arise. And it was the absence of answers to very good questions which, I think, sunk Cameron today. His case for intervention was not very well thought-through. Holes were picked in it all day, by everyone from Jack Straw to the Archbishop of Canterbury.

    But there are always doubts when countries go to war. The biggest question is one of trust. Cameron was asking for that trust today, and he didn’t get it. He took a massive gamble, and suffered a massive defeat. It was one from which he will, I suspect, take some time to recover.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/08/camerons-defeat/

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      The Guido Team says:

      Far too long, this blog isn’t Twitter but you need to condense it down to no more than three paragraphs. Otherwise the usual brain-dead knuckle dragging posters here will call you a wordy cυntface, boring cock breathed or even a dictionary swallowing knobjockey.
      So please keep this in mind next time you post.

      Remember we are only trying to be helpful.

      The Guido Team.

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    • 88
      Hairy Clinker says:

      The spam robot had no credibility so nothing to lose

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  26. 51
    Hansard writer says:

    And of course Jack Straw the Foreign Secretary who took us illegally into Irak

    Has such credibikity

    One of the Leading Shameless Labour War Criminals

    Who lied to Parliament this afternon by saying Irak was an “intelligence failure” when we all know that the “intelligence” was fabricated by him, Blair and Campbell

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    • 73
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Straw has always spoken for the society of Labour lawyers – all lawyers are low-life as which reminds me of what Mark Twain said of them all

      My apologies ‘again’ for the repetition: MT

      “The mere mention of the word lawyer is enough to deprive any man of all public confidence.”

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  27. 55
    Trayvon Martin says:

    I want justice.

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  28. 59
    Fuck the LibLabCon says:

    “He failed to convince his own backbenchers that it was in the national interest…”

    Because it isn’t, obviously. If you think it is then please do make the case otherwise suck it up, you lost, get over it.

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  29. 62
    Timmytour says:

    There’s only one man who can unravel the complexities in Syria…..one man who can prevent the need for bombing and stop the chemical weapons…who can save the children and bring all sides round the table.

    And he can do it all while dressed as a cat.

    C’mon George…..volunteer to go out there and talk to Assad on behalf of the British people

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  30. 63
    Britain's Obama at odds with Obama says:

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    • 74
      Tom Tom Calling says:

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    • 76
      Cock a Hoop says:

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    • 78
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Wrong you token bum – it was about ‘The Public Interest’ and the public giving all three major parties a well deserved kicking in their bollocks.

      p.s. The Westminster POLITICAL press pack of dupers, liars and frauds ‘selling fucking spin and b/s’ to the public ARE NEXT.

      E.G. Kevin Maguire for starters.

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      Just to rub it in says:

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  31. 67
    Nick says:

    it’s not looking good for the middle east and i would expect the USA to go this alone as there will be attacks on Israel i feel and the UK is best left out.

    David Cameron is not the ideal person at this time to be in charge of the UK government as many sick and disabled people have died on his watch in going through the welfare reform process. This may seam trivial to some as these deaths were not direct killings but of a welfare policy change. However a death is a death no matter what the circumstances and these welfare reform deaths do represent the killing of the sick and disabled prematurely and it would be good for other world leaders to voice there view point on this matter

    You cant expect to kill your own sick and disabled by a badly written welfare reform bill and expect other world leaders to turn a blind eye nor can you expect the prime minister to be trusted on a chemical weapon vote hence the non approval of action by china and Russia along with mp’s on both sides of the house of commons

    To be a world leader you will have had to have been transparent and with great integrity at all times throughout your leadership if the world is to take you seriously with regret David Cameron is not this person and is now found wonting by other world leaders and in all probability is now stuck in going forward with his war with Syria now over thank god

    Had David Cameron not attacked the sick and disabled along with the bedroom tax evictions in which disabled children are suffering along with many families having to move out from the area in which they have lived in some cases for many years then the vote tonight would have been plain sailing as he would have been classed as a trusted man with information from a trusted source and china along with Russia would have been on board but all the time the rest of the world hears of our sick and disabled being under attack with some dying as a result from all of the stress placed upon them it’s no wonder the full backing for a strike against Syria is in disarray not only at home here but also from across the world

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      The Guido Team says:

      Far too long, this blog isn’t Twitter but you need to condense it down to no more than three paragraphs. Otherwise the usual brain-dead knuckle dragging posters here will call you a wordy cυntface, boring cock breathed or even a dictionary swallowing knobjockey. So please keep this in mind next time you post.

      Remember we are only trying to be helpful.

      The Guido Team.

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    • 101
      Casual Observer says:

      Somewhat wordy, but mostly b/s.

      Going well until you used the bedroom tax meme.

      Inaccurate leftist propaganda, making a Z!onist argument that not doing what you are told, or reconsidering opinion in the face of contrary public and parliamentary opinion (democracy) somehow makes you weak.

      Dave lacking backbone to prevent this week from unfolding as it did is what has undone him, clearly showing a complete lack of credible leadership.

      Miliband declaring desire to abstain demonstrates precisely why he is completely unsuitable.

      Clegg: Am surprised he is not already on the sex offenders register considering the way his party conducts itself.

      The bongo’s of UKIP beat loudest tonight.

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  32. 68
    SwiissMiss says:

    CIA stooges are out in force tonight

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  33. 69
    The Nasty Tory Party is back says:

    I had thiught that the Tory Party had become electable

    But resorting to smearing Ed Miliband (who I do not like politically) by saying he was giving “succour” to the Syrian regime is sordid, cheap and unacceptable

    It shows Cameron and his henchmen have the mentality of gangsters

    Not worthy of any British PM

    Just back to the unelectable Nasty Party of old

    He should resign

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  34. 70
    Barry O'Bummer says:

    Never mind Dave I’ll bomb the bastards back to the stone-age!

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  35. 71
    And just 11 days later you are flat on your back says:

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  36. 72
    How prophetic. says:

    I knew that LABOUR’S & BLIAR’S dodgy war in Iraq would jeopardise our future security at home & abroad! Look at the mess Labour have created! Innocents have to suffer for those Lying Labour SCUM!

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  37. 90
    David Cameron says:

    I’m a twat, thank you and good night.

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  38. 98
    Not Blowing Whistles says:

    Dave is one of the chief common purpose parasites.

    Common Purpose International is a terrorist organization that should be banned in the UK.

    Until the problem is rooted out of the civil service, little episodes like this Syr!a escapade will continue to occur.

    And any fucking piece of shit across the channel who thinks this is a sign of weakness and tries to make this a case for furthering Britain’s EU integration beware.

    UK guns are trained firmly on the likes of Barroso and his cadre, and if that came to a similar vote the UK would be jump starting the tanks, irrespective of UN bull shit.

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  39. 126
    Jimmy says:

    Good grief I’m agreeing with Guido. I’m going to have a lie down and see if it passes.

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  40. 128
    ian says:

    would dave have been pushing for us to attack the rebel forces if they had used chemical weapons?

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  41. 129
    ian says:

    would dave have been pushng for an attack on the rebel forces if they had used chemical weapons?

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      MSM state lackies says:

      We would certainly be making sure you plebs never knew about any such chemical attack.

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  42. 139
    The British Public says:

    FFS

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  43. 140
    Sleepless in Southampton says:

    As someone said on another thread: right result, wrong reasons. The cynic in me can’t help think that the majority that voted against were just thinking about their personal ratings, and that there is an election in under 2 years time, so don’t want to piss off the electorate because they want to keep their nice cushy job. Nothing to do with whether it is our place to sort out an other countries mess. One has to wonder whether the vote would have been different if the election wasn’t so close.

    This certainly hasn’t changed my view of Miliband. Still see him as a puppet taking orders on what to think and do. Idiot.

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  44. 157
    Anne says:

    I no longer have any trust at all in this Government and sadly, for the first time in my life, in our Prime Minister.

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  45. 159
    saaatchigrip says:

    Lets see Guido put up a picture of Dave with the words ‘Kicked his ass’ alongside.

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  46. 166
    Viv says:

    Cameron is playing a much longer game than most of the contributors above recognise. The ‘democratic decision’ of the House has let him off the hook, unlike Obama. Miliband, as expected, looks even more vacillatory than usual. Everyone has been reminded of Blair, Campbell et al.; Cameron has been able to have his ‘impassioned anger’ publicised; he has discovered those whom he cannot trust in those Tory MPs who absented themselves from the vote; and he has established himself as a PM who ‘respects’ the will of the people.

    It would be most interesting to see what might result from a FREE vote next time.

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  47. 168
    surlyscot says:

    Why does’nt the Arab League get off its fat lazy arse and do something for a change? ‘They’ are reported to have £2BILLION quids worth of military hardware, what the fuck are they doing with it? polishing it because they sure as hell ain’t using it!! This civil war has nothing to do with UK EVER, its a war, get over it, atrocities happen, for proof of this, just look at events of 2nd world war and every other conflict in history, as a matter of interest, the ‘war’ in Afghanistan has cost UK £4 BILLION pounds, and this from a country whose debt is already £1.2 TRILLION, what planet is HEIR TO BLAIR living in, sure as fuck is’nt this planet.

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