August 19th, 2013

Labour MPs Attack Labour Terror Law

Whatever your position on the Guardian’s in-house “pompous douchecanoe” Glenn Greenwald, the detention of his partner under the Terrorism Act raises eyebrows, to say the least. Front of the queue is Labour’s favourite bandwagon-jumper Keith Vaz:

“What is extraordinary is they knew he was his partner… Bearing in mind it is a new use of terrorism legislation to detain someone in these circumstances, I’m certainly interested in knowing, so I will write to the police to ask for the justification of the use of terrorism legislation – they may have a perfectly reasonable explanation. But if we are going to use the act in this way … then at least we need to know so everyone is prepared.”

Yvette Cooper is particularly angry:

“Any suggestion that terror powers are being misused must be investigated and clarified urgently – the public support for these powers must not be endangered by a perception of misuse. The police and security agencies rightly work hard to protect national security and prevent terrorism. But public confidence in security powers depends on them being used proportionately within the law, and also on having independent checks and balances in place to prevent misuse.”

While Tom Watson has helpfully chipped in:

The answer, of course, is that David Miranda was detained under the Terrorism Act that Watson, Cooper and Vaz’s party voted in. If it turns out it is being used to go after journalists and their partners, it won’t take a whistleblower to work out where the blame lies…


177 Comments

  1. 1
    John Sinclair says:

    Blame lies with whatever jumped up little shit in Whitehall ordered the bum boys detention.
    In other news, the nonce circle gets murkier and murkier…

    http://aangirfan.blogspot.jp/2013/08/princess-diana-murdered-by-special-air.html

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    • 5
      Lindum says:

      Of course, the point is that it was done illegally outside of the legislation.

      What is most probable is that this was done at the behest of the CIA or NSA or some other US agency and was nothing to do with the UK.

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      • 43
        Vote UKIP get Hard Labour says:

        Was he read his Miranda Rights?

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        • 49
          Quote says:

          “Mr. Greenwald’s partner, David Michael Miranda, 28, is a citizen of Brazil. He had spent the previous week in Berlin visiting Laura Poitras, a documentary filmmaker who has also been helping to disseminate Mr. Snowden’s leaks, to assist Mr. Greenwald. The Guardian had paid for the trip, Mr. Greenwald said, and Mr. Miranda was on his way home to Rio de Janeiro.” -The American Conservative

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          • Guardian Angel says:

            I hear he was in Berlin to go to a Berliner Philharmoniker concert.

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          • Keitho says:

            I think the reason for the authorities to hold him while they checked out his phone and laptop is right there with his visit with Laura Poitras. Also no need to bring lap dogs into it because we have an interest in all things that threaten GCHQ.

            It is also great to see nepotism isn’t dead at the Guardian.

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          • AlbaMale says:

            I know you could never be described as a ‘journalist’ Guido but it won’t be long before bloggers are detained as well.

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          • fitz says:

            .. dodgy, very dodgy lads ! … and : plucky little Guardian …

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      • 44
        Labour are a bit thick really... says:

        So is that an apologist line for the UK state acting without question domestically on the orders of a foreign government ?

        Interesting topic of debate, and certainly something which Blair championed.

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        • 116
          Stephen Fry says:

          I will had a word about this with Dave Friday night when we are down the pub.

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          • Most Luvvie of all Luvvies says:

            Unless somebody tweets that you’re something of a pompous twat Stephen, and then you’ll pull one of your hissies.
            Which end of your bipolar are you today?

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          • Underneath says:

            Gayness could have been part of the reasoning behind this. What better way for the US to make their homophobic population turn against Greenwald instead of supporting him. Arrest him so the story gets out and his gayness exposed. Public opinion mind games…

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      • 99
        Simon B says:

        I’m with the police on this one. Who cares if what they did was “illegall”? They’re just trying to keep us safe from terrorism. This man, as well as Greenwald, are our enemies. They, along with the American traitor Snowden, released information which our enemies will use to attack us. Who cares if the security services are spying on us all? Isn’t that their job? After all, if you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear. They should have locked this filthy, traitorous bum boy up and thrown away the key. The SAS or Navy SEALS should take a little trip to Brazil, capture the commie Greenwald and put him in Guantanamo for the rest of his life.

        We used to hang people who revealed state secrets. Another example of communist subversion.

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        • 121
          Anonymous says:

          Well said!

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        • 122
          Anonymous says:

          You are your own enemy. You say nothing to hide, and yet speak out against others. It will not be long until your recorded views are also qualify you for investigation. The NSA knows who you are.

          Journalism is not a crime.

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          • Simon B says:

            It is a crime if some jumped-up “journalist” exposes state secrets and any tactics Our Boys use to keep us safe from terrorism. You obviously sound like you have something to hide. Why do you want the terrorists to win? The security services are just trying to keep you alive. Questioning their intentions is in itself suspicious and makes you sound like an anarchist/communist/terrorist apologist.

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          • Simon B says:

            So you’re defending terrorists like Snowden and smearing the good name of Our Boys who are giving their lives in Afghanistan to protect us from the terrorist menace. You, sir or madame, are a traitor to this nation.

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          • Simon B says:

            Freedom isn’t free. Neither is safety or defense of our lifestyle. Sometimes we have to give up our freedoms in order to protect ourselves. Once the terrorists are finally defeated, these security measures will be rolled back.

            GCHQ is not the KGB and the NSA is not the STASI. And you sound like a communist.

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          • Shabba Shanks says:

            Simon B is trolling you. It’s part of his GCSE homework, he thinks he’s really clever, a satarist of sorts, chirping up on here with his so called patriotic comments. He is in fact a 14 year old nerd who is hopefully being bullied and buggered.

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        • 124
          The English public says:

          +1000

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        • 143
          Cheep Cheep flights says:

          The Internet shows you can get a cheap flight direct from Berlin to Rio. Without going via risky cities like Beijing, London or Moscow.

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      • 149
        Peter Grimes says:

        How are you so sure that it was done ‘illegally outside of the legislation’? Just what legislation?

        What sort of tealeaf-reading, self-confessed legal genius wastes his (clients’) time posting airy-fairy comments on Guido’s excellent blog?

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      • 170
        Anonymous says:

        Why do you jump to the conclusion that miranda had nothing to hide ? the latest is he had encrypted info from Snowden in his possession.

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    • 9
      Chris Bryant says:

      So who had the pleasure of frisking his bottom?

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    • 19
      More of this..Not Less says:

      So just what is wrong with checking out an enemy of the state? We should do it more often even if they are Guardianistas. Makes a change from using the powers wrongly to search wheelie bins and school catchments.

      Are Guardianistas and bum boys supposed to be treated differently from other suspects?

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    • 45
      Sandra in Accounts says:

      Greenwald works for a subversive newspaper that wishes to destroy the culture, history & heritage of Great Britain.

      He released information that damaged an ally.

      I would be amazed if his foreign toy boy was not detained.

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    • 51
      Lord Stansted says:

      Are Lefties getting worked up because bum boys are not above the law?

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    • 61
      Anonymous says:

      Surely they are accessories to Snowden if they are helping him get his stolen information out ? probably why his lap top was taken. Normal people think Snowden is a traitor.

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      • 90
        Labour are a bit thick really... says:

        One hopes that the journo did not keep a file listing his sources on that machine. If he did – his career is now over.

        Sneaky way of getting sources if that was the real objective.

        Cover for a debrief.

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      • 159
        Hobgoblin says:

        Don’t pretend to speak for me please.

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      • 171
        Anonymous says:

        Why has your hero gone to Russia via China of all places? bastion of free speech, not !(by the way, thicko i work for the NHS)

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    • 164
      Anonymous says:

      8pm, it turns out miranda had encrypted info from Snowdens hacking forays in his possesion, interestingly. I wonder if that will be on every news bulletin on the beeb ?

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  2. 2
    Lindum says:

    Who bought in the legislation is neither here nor there; just a silly party-political point by Guido.

    The point is that the law does not allow this detention. This person was detained OUTSIDE of the law. If the police said he was detained because he was drunk, even though he was sober, would Guido be critical of the party that bought in that law?

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      Don't Vote Labour says:

      1) Who brought in this odious legislation is very relevant.
      2) Those that did not adequately oppose it are complicit.
      3) It is preferable that this legislation be used against lefty journo’s first, but that is a warning to all that the real battle has just begun.

      Oh: And fuck Labour to hell for getting this stuff on the books in the first place.

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        Lindum says:

        It is not clear which piece of Anti-Terrorism legislation they used, but whatever it was, most of these laws were bought in with cross-party support.

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          Don't Vote Labour says:

          Indeed – see point 2.

          But with the majority that Labour commanded at the time this was brought in, any dissent was quashed and Labour painted as being on the side of terror. With that majority though, if there was not cross party support, it still would have got through easily.

          Much concern was raised with Blair’s compliance with the US neo con doctrines at the time, and those who seriously opposed were assassinated by the UK state.

          That this is Labour Terror Legislation is highly a highly relevant non-partisan point which should not be revised.

          Labour cannot distance themselves from this one.

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          • Scrap it now says:

            +1 and many, many more

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          • bergen says:

            Blair’s government was the least liberal peacetime administration in modern British history and until Labour addresses this sad fact people like Watson will never be able to rebut charges of total hypocrisy.

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          • Lindum says:

            But the police did not use the law. The police decided to invent a use of a law. You can hardly blame the police for inventing uses of laws. With the information given I am not even sure we can say which piece of anti-terror legislation was used. Both political parties have bought in anti-terror measures – most of them with front bench agreement.

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          • Don't Vote Labour says:

            The police do not invent use of laws.

            The police follow procedure and enforce the law.

            Those procedures and the interpretation for purposes of enforcement are passed over by the MoJ, with guidance from the CPS and the courts.

            This should be very apolitical, the interface with politics being the MoJ.

            It is somewhat clear now that the UK police did become politicized under the Labour administrations. The involvement of Common Purpose, particularly noting Cress!da D!ck, is a more sinister dimension.

            The Plebgate affair was the final proof, following a string of seriously questionable events including the de Menezes shooting.

            Spinning the blame on this to the Police service is disingenuous and foolish.

            This is a 100% Labour legacy.

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        • 72
          Anonymous says:

          We dont know why he was detained, it could have been for genuine reasons, but this Glenn character obviously thinks his boyfriend should be above the law !

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          • I'm more interested in... says:

            Tom Watson can you please explain if you voted in favour of the Terrorism Act?

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          • Morgan's Organ says:

            Chris Bryant-own goal, Tom Watson-own goal, Keith Vaz-own goal, Yvette Cooper-own goal…….. someone complete this never ending list please I’m bored by them all.

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          • Morgan's Organ says:

            Andy Burnham-own goal, Sadiq Khan-own goal, Harriiet Harman-own goal. Bored again

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      • 150
        Peter Grimes says:

        Just why is FaTWATson getting his y-fronts in a twist about this?

        Is it because this gayer is a ‘partner’ to a Grauniad journalist, FaTWATson’s partner in the crusade against Murdoch?

        FaTWATson is a fat fucking hypocrite!

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    • 127
      Natural English Speaker since birth says:

      We English don’t say ‘outside of the law’. We may, if applicable, say ‘outside the law’.

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    • 129
      Keitho says:

      I think it is sad that people cannot see the logic and correctness of stopping and searching and interrogating this boy. Don’t be taken in by the faux outrage from those who wish Britain no good this was a classic case of our security services doing the right thing for the right reasons in the right way.

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  3. 3
    Ben Franklin says:

    They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

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    • 24
      Anonymous says:

      Those that think that they are safe, if they do nothing wrong, are just too stupid.

      All that is needed is an opinion and to not be compliant in their wish to change it.

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  4. 4
    Immigration Officer examining iPhone says:

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  5. 6
    Tom Watson is a fat prick says:

    Thanks to fat shit Watson, plod has been rounding up journalists for 2 years.

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    • 56
      Lord Stansted says:

      Good – they should be all rounded up. Useless media tossers.

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      • 162
        Find your iPhone says:

        Greenwald is now likely to release even more information that could damage this country and aid the terrorists. Apparently he is upset that his partner has had his mobile phone taken.

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  6. 8
    Leftard says:

    NO! These leftist, creeping authoritarian laws were meant to suppress evil right wingers, not those on the side of the angels like Glenn!

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      Labour are a bit thick really... says:

      Labour should have put sunset clauses with option to renew timed to coincide with change of Parliament if they wanted protection from this legislation.

      However – the guy in question could well be a terrorist.

      Until he has been interrogated somewhere like Jordan after an extraordinary rendition, and cleared following a spell in Gitmo, then he is a clear and present danger to the UK public.

      What is more concerning is releasing him after a few questions / tea and biscuits.

      The only way these terror nuts will crack is if you drill their joints out whilst they are under a truth serum after depriving them of sleep for a few weeks.

      Too quick to release this one.

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      • 32
        Anonymous says:

        Why is it assumed that journalists don’t aid terrorists? The Grauniad loves the ones who fire rockets into Israel every day.

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        • 48
          Labour are a bit thick really... says:

          Unless there is very good reliable intelligence then it is better to err on the side of caution.

          To your point though, yes. They could be involved, and folk should keep in mind the issue of ambulances used for such attacks in !srael as well.

          In the current climate of Snowden though, eyebrows should be raised.

          And then there is the Assange / Wikileak situation still ongoing.

          Shooting, or in this case, sending a warning shot across the bows of the messengers, is not a smart thing to do. Abusing the legislation in this way also undermines its real use.

          If the guy was considered a serious enough threat to invoke in the first place, why is he walking the streets a few days later ?

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          • Lord Stansted says:

            Snowden is not the hero the Left make him out to be. He’s a jumped up looser who htought he’d like some fame to make his life interesting.

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          • Matilda says:

            The Assange link here is irrelevant. He is wanted in the UK on bail-jumping charges, not leakages of sensitive information. But he is probably right to suspect that if he ever gets deported back to Scandinavia he will likely finish up in some sh*thole in the States being water-boarded.

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          • Labour are a bit thick really... says:

            Agreed.

            If anything he is a triple-X or distraction.

            Now he is on the inside in Russ!a, and acting on any information he gives would reveal Russ!a’s hand, which is why they are probably not doing anything with it at the moment.

            Domestically he is good for taking peoples eye off the real ball which is wholesale NSA surveillance of US private citizens on US soil.

            The only point I was trying to make is one of timing. We are supposedly at a heightened terror risk right now until the end of August, presumably because that’s when the terrorists are back from vacation and need to return to their day jobs.

            If the guy was detained for no real reason other than to send a message, some scenarios:

            i) Increase fear in UK population due to rising support of UKIP and waning LibLabCon support

            ii) Provide a distraction / credibility manipulation for the Guardian. Indicate Snowden is really a renegade so the enemy can trust whilst discrediting him and his claims in the eyes of the domestic population as he is involved with ‘terrorists’.

            iii) Provide cover for a debrief, if the journo is working for us.

            iv) Provide a bit of sensational news to increase Guardian sales.

            Lots more, probably not worth worrying about that.

            The real problem though is the abuse of the terror legislation, and the legitimacy of its presence on UK statute books.

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          • Labour are a bit thick really... says:

            @Matilda: Assange is relevant only in that the security services are going after a publisher.

            Massive implications there.

            By this logic, Rusbridger or whoever actually runs GMG should be detained, if there is any real wrong doing here.

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        • 55
          Anonymous says:

          So why would asking questions of a terrorist help?

          These tactics are just fear exercises. Nothing to do with real investigation.

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    Casual Observer says:

    One hopes that Watson is detained upon his return.

    That guy is a real terrorist.

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  8. 13
    Dave H. says:

    Who shamelessly used the Anti-terrorism Act 2001 against to grab money from Iceland?

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  9. 14
    Anon says:

    If he or his ‘partner’ have been involved in spying on the US, which is what the leaks are, then it seems reasonable for the US to put out an alert for him to be checked as he enters any friendly countries.

    It is what to be expected when you start obtaining and publishing secret information. Journalists are subject to the same laws as everyone else, publishing stolen information in a tabloid newspaper does not excuse it.

    Big Boys Games, Big Boys Rules.

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    • 34
      Anonymous says:

      If they were playing big boys games they would not have lost the data in the first place.

      It is because they are playing childish games that people can be turned so easily. The best secrets are not on computers or paper. If the actions are really worth the risks then they would find a way without obviously using marginal security people. These are tech nerds gone mad with power.

      By being childish they attract the childish people.

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      • 85
        Anonymous says:

        I wouldnt say stealing secret information, and running to China and Russia was being “turned easily” Snowden either has mental problems or he is in the pay of those 2 countries.

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        • 91
          Point of Information 4 says:

          Or is a double agent / US triple-X.

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        • 130
          Anonymous says:

          Are you saying the mind work to convince someone to jump on a bus carrying a bomb is an easier turning exercise than making someone steal information.

          If one is possible, then the other is easy. Especially when the value of an individual is shown to that person to be so insignificant.

          Just look at the pictures of him that have emerged. They might be fake. But to what advantage is there in telling the world that you employ these marginal types for secure work.

          He had all the looks of a ripe target. Then again it could all be staged since the whole issue is about fear.

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    Leftard says:

    If a male reporter of a Murdoch paper had a little brazilian piece of ass flying in the Granudian would be all over it.

    But they are pooves so it is OK. Ditto with Lord Mandelson of boy.

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  11. 21
    S.B.S. says:

    Is there anyone in journalism or politics not a poof.

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  12. 23
    Scrap it now says:

    Labour wanqeurs brought in this stupid law and it has been abused since the second it was on the books.

    Even councils use it for snooping on people who don’t close the lids on their wheelie bins.

    This is not to excuse this latest abuse, just to point out that it is a lefty law, abused by lefties.

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  13. 26
    Ein Fattenbastardsausagechomper says:

    Watson can fuck off

    in 1970’s East Germany the fucker would be in charge of the secret police complete with his own personal Sausage factory

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  14. 31
    lulz says:

    Why get upset about such detainment when there are political points to be scored!

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  15. 35
    Engineer says:

    Miranda has been arrested under Terrorism legislation?

    About time too. What took so long?

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  16. 36
    Idon'tneednodoctor says:

    Watson and Vaz, a pair of arsewipes.

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  17. 38
    Felching Hell says:

    I can’t get my tongue around this one.

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    Isn't it the same law that Labour used here? says:

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  19. 41
    Ron Barras says:

    Proof that Labour is the party of the Big Brother State, ready to oppress our freedoms with clumsy laws.

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  20. 46
    Anonymous says:

    Should not Vaz sought out his own problems first???

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  21. 47
    Will says:

    You have to laugh at this one, the guardian gets all upset that a partner of a person accused of leaking information gets questions and files that could contain secrets confiscated.

    If it was a right wing journalist partner, this would have not even got mentioned in the press.

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    Maximus says:

    Isn’t the reason hiding in plain view? From the Graun piece:

    Widney Brown, Amnesty International’s senior director of international law and policy, said: The only possible intent behind this detention was to harass him and his partner, Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, for his role in analysing the data released by Edward Snowden.”

    Since 5 June, Greenwald has written a series of stories revealing the NSA’s electronic surveillance programmes, detailed in thousands of files passed to him by whistleblower Edward Snowden.

    The Guardian has also published a number of stories about blanket electronic surveillance by Britain’s GCHQ, also based on documents from Snowden.

    While in Berlin, Miranda visited Laura Poitras, the US film-maker who has also been working on the Snowden files with Greenwald and the Guardian. The Guardian paid for Miranda’s flights.

    Surely the got the wrong bloke? Seems it should have been Rusbridger.

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    Bazinga! says:

    As much as I detect the Guardian, the real issue here is once again abuse of power by the state.

    We appear to have all these laws that for some reason don’t ever seem to get used on anyone called Abu or Mohammad.

    We have a country full of Muslim terrorists who appear to be able to murder on our streets without fear of being stopped or arrested. Yet the fat lazy scum plods can pick someone up at an airport minding their own business.

    No doubt we’ll get the usual “vote UKIP” mongs on soon but people should wake up.

    All these laws that have been passed by our scum politicians and backed by the right wing loons on here are not making us any safer, but are eroding our freedoms day by day.

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    • 67
      Tachybaptus says:

      Speaking as a UKIP-voting right-wing loon, I’d like to know which right-wing loons you suppose to support Labour’s disgusting laws.

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      • 120
        Tom Watson is a fat prick says:

        Tell me when Farage has said he’d repeal all these anti freedom laws?

        Where has he said he’ll kick out all Muslim terrorists?

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    • 73
      Anonymous says:

      The laws and the police suffer from one issue. They are the product of the average of their intelligence. For example take 10 people and make them decide an issue. Say there was one experienced person in the group but the rest were useless. The task for that one, to convince the others, would be too hard. Mediocrity would then result.

      However a lone terrorist is intelligent and motivated.

      This is why they win. We cultivate mediocrity and will not listen to those that have a track record of predicting incidents correctly.

      The whole NSA issue is a nerds paradise. It is power without having to understand people. If it was a correct way to approach the issue then it would be better to bug every pub and meeting place in the country. There would certainly be less information to process and far less irrelevant and purposefully misleading information.

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  24. 57
    Anyone but Polly says:

    I would imagine the security boys are sweating now a precedence has been set.

    Someone is going to get the short straw and have to interrogate Polly.

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  25. 64
    Arfur Smith Professional Cockney says:

    Pie and mash,dog and bone, wasn’t like this in the blitz, roll out the barrow?

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  26. 69
    jmf says:

    Whats is the fascination the left have with Brazilian bum boys?

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  27. 70
    anon. says:

    This story not even made it onto Sky’s website. Just shows the influence the Guardian has with the BBC.

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  28. 71

    This morn I awoke to the delightful sound of song birds in the beautiful village of Yvoire in the Rhône-Alpes. After an exquisite breakfast of brouillade de truffes I strolled down to Lake Léman. I find one must take in the crisp air to clear ones palate before a glass of Chteau Lafite Rothschild Pauillac. Far superior to the bottle of standard fare the natives drink.

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  29. 77
    Penfold says:

    Journalists have a social responsibility not to overstep acceptable marks whilst reporting stories.

    The Snowden affair is pushing the envelope as to what journo’s can report without endangering national security.

    The left feel that they have a god given right to do as they please without thinking of the consequences.

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  30. 80
    Keep Calm, Vote UKIP says:

    What is UKIPs position on terror law legislation and its abuse ?

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  31. 83
    Police state a step nearer says:

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/11/schedule/7

    5 A person who is questioned under paragraph 2 or 3 MUST
    (a)give the examining officer any information in his possession which the officer requests;
    18(1)A person commits an offence if he—
    (a)wilfully fails to comply with a duty imposed under or by virtue of this Schedule

    combined with no access to a lawyer this schedule and how it was used is pretty shocking

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    • 139
      wondering says:

      so what happens if he/she tells the officer to effoff?

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    • 158
      Hope Springs says:

      I see the British ‘Right to Silence’, ( You know, the one there to prevent torture ), has been kicked into the ‘Dust Bin of History’ by the Pro-EU eco loons.

      Funny how it’s first used against one of their own.

      Actually, I though Glen was a You’ish Marxist loon. Didn’t know he’s an Iron.

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    harles says:

    New Commonwealth values obviously. Have several letters in my possession supporting the holding of the CHGM13 in blood soaked SRi LANKA where we know that Human Rights there have deteriorated since the end of the civil war 4 years ago, thanks to President Rajapakse and his brothers. Every Human Right organisation of note, condemns it, Sharma the Secretary General of the British Commonwealth supports it, unconditionally, describing Sri Lanka as being an upholder of British Commonwealth values, despite media clamp downs, web sites blocked, civilian peaceful demonstrators shot dead and the total militarisation of that country ! Prince Charles, Cameron, Hague, Burt, you are shaming us all by attending the CHGM13 in blood soaked Sri Lanka, particuarly when 20% of all Sri Lankan children are now suffering from malnutrition and the President has decided to spend $5 million on a CHGM13 instead of feeding his own countries children !!!!

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  33. 93
    SAS nutter says:

    Why, oh why didn’t he vault the barrier to try and escape so I could start blasting away?

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    Anonymous says:

    Anti-terror legislation is needed for dealing with suspected terrorists – but it should not used as an all-purpose tool where terrorism is not involved.

    Remember Walter Wolfgang, ejected from the 2005 Labour party conference after heckling Jack Straw

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4291388.stm

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    The Critic says:

    Yes finely drafted legislation Tone. Is this set of powers still on the statute books?

    ‘the power given to a constable, immigration officer or customs officer at a port or border to question, detain and (for the police) to take the DNA of anyone entering or leaving the UK to determine whether they are involved in some ways in acts of terrorism – a power that can be exercised without any reasonable suspicion of such involvement’

    and the equally lovely Civil Contingencies Act 2004

    ‘the extraordinarily broad powers under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004 which allow a Minister, whenever there is the threat of terrorism, to make emergency regulations that could temporarily override almost all other legislation’

    Check the voting records of Watson and Vaz – strongly in favour of anti-terrorism laws.

    Perfectly right to ask who passed this repressive shite, so we can make sure these hypocritical rent-a quote, animal farm is my template for society but call me progressive anyway wastes of space are never in power again .

    Come to think of it, the legislation they voted for could be used against them…… there is a God.

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    Don't Vote Labour says:

    Yvette Cooper proves once again that she is not in office on the strength of her rhetoric or conviction.

    ‘public support for these powers must not be endangered by a perception of misuse’

    Of what public support is she speaking ?

    That was the main public voice of opposition to Labour’s unquenchable thirst for such legislation during the Blair years, which was frankly ignored by her party at the time.

    As one recalls, the final legislation which was used here, and which has been abused since inception in various ways, was a compromise after the indefinite detention without trial / charge sections were thrown out by the Lords.

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    • 173
      The Critic says:

      By public support, Yvette Animal Farm is my template for society but call me progressive anyway Cooper, means either spinning the legislation to be something which protects us all when in fact it is exactly the opposite, or describing any ‘misuse’ as percieved. i.e you thikkies don’t understand, nothing to see here, move along.

      A condescending, Orwellian,thoroughly unpleasant example of what is crawling up the Labour career path. Only a perception of course. Would not want to endanger public support for her.

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  38. 111
    the general public says:

    “If it turns out it is being used to go after journalists and their partners, it won’t take a whistleblower to work out where the blame lies…”

    ……errrr, no, not unless you are suggesting Watson & co. can somehow instruct the security forces on who the detain?? That would be the job of the party in government surely……

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  39. 113
    Third rate dopes says:

    Oh, are we going to get a couple of weeks now of Labour types all over the media trying to convince the country that they are back, refreshed and ready to govern.

    Wanquers.

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  40. 123
    Anonymous says:

    This will be the same Labour party that was happy for police offciers to use the Terrorism Act to remove an elderly gentlemen from their rally for heckling and stopping tourists from taking photographs. Hoisted by their own petard me thinks.

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    • 131
      Blind_leading_the_blind says:

      …and also used the same laws to freeze the assets of the Icelandic banks in 2008

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    • 174
      The Critic says:

      Stop -you aree endangering public support for the legislation by perceiving its misuse.

      Repeat after me two legs good. four legs bad

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  41. 126
    MI5 says:

    Don’t worry, we’ll ‘find’ kiddie pr0n on his mobi as we always do.

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  42. 133
    Xavier Onassis says:

    A foreigner and a poofter – clearly up to no good. Well done Old Bill!

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  43. 135
    Ali from Bradford says:

    Throw him off a cliff – PBUH

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  44. 136
    Stopthewhininglefties says:

    Classic!

    This contains all the elements which makes a BBC journalist auto-orgasm; a victim who is a homosexual, the Guardian, the nasty terrorism laws, freedom without responsibility, traitors (although he is an American traitor – it would be better if he was one of ours) and those nasty Tories are in charge.

    Ohhh God, I think I’m cumming……

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    • 153
      Polly Toynbee ate my hamster says:

      Miranda was detained on Stephen Fry’s orders.

      Mr Fry is concerned that Miranda, Greengrass and Snowden are consorting with Putin to repress homosexuals on ski slopes, or possibly withhold expensive handbags from them ‘cos they is white.

      Read the Grauniad too and you will be as well informed as I are.

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  45. 138
    Anonymous says:

    What’s the problem? Are the Guardian journalists’ boyfriends somehow above the law?

    If so, the journalists can expect an influx of heavily bearded men with bandaged heads coming on to them.

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  46. 140

    Ha how’s that????

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  47. 142
    BBC Bias says:

    No mention at all on World at One that this was “brought in by the last Labour govermnent”.

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  48. 147
    open the champers says:

    Greedo gets one right!

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  49. 151
    Most of the UK says:

    Dear Mr Vaz and family,
    Piss off.
    Thank you

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  50. 160
    broderick crawford says:

    tut tut ..

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  51. 165
    fitz says:

    Excellent : all the Right pol people are angry …

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  52. 168
    MacGuffin says:

    Could Guide please stop referring to Miranda as Greenwald’s ‘partner’?

    The word is ‘Husband’. Got it? H U S B A N D.

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  53. 177
    Falstaff says:

    Now that Bradley Manning wants to be known as Chelsea …what are the preferred monikers of the other Wikileaks bandits Juliette Assange ….and the two self righteous Guardianistas must be Gert and fucking Daisy

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