August 13th, 2013

“Senior Minister of State” at FCO Smears British Ally

Many wonder just what Britain’s first, and likely last, “Senior Minister of State” at the Foreign Office does. Well smearing one of Britain’s closest allies in the House of Lords is probably not in the job description. Answering a written question, Baroness Warsi replied:

“We have made no assessment of the number of non-violent protestors killed or injured in the Occupied Palestinian Territories since 2002. According to the website of the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, 3,643 Palestinian civilians have been killed by Israelis since 1 January 2012 in incidents directly related to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict in the West Bank and Gaza strip.”

Only one problem. That number is not true. The UN Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs states quite clearly that the actual figure of Palestinians killed by Israelis since 2012 was 262. Out by thousands. Why she felt the need to continue the answer beyond the first sentence is baffling. A correction is called for…

Via Trending Central.

154 Comments

  1. 1
    nellnewman says:

    I think she should change sides and become militwit’s strategist!

  2. 2
    If 'you're worried about people being oppressed and dying visit your local old folks home says:

    Oh for fucks sake now we are going to get an influx of left wing geo political mongs on the site.

  3. 3
    A-Level Sums says:

    Think you’re missing the point here.

    Do the math.

    Let x=number of Palestinians killed.
    For any value of x, where x>0, it’s still too many.

  4. 4
    David Ward says:

    +1

  5. 5
    Mary Whitehouse says:

    Warasi the gift that keeps on giving

  6. 6
    Token says:

    This is what happens when people don’t get jobs based purely on ability.

  7. 7
    Darth Warsi says:

    I have just had a lovely vegetarian pork curry.

  8. 8
    Sayeeda Warsi says:

    Alas, I have nothing between my ears but expanded polystyrene.

  9. 9
    Sir William Waid says:

    Then why lie?

  10. 10
    Rob says:

    It would be interesting to see what their definition of “non-violent” is. For example, the Left generally calls smashing up private property “non-violent” direct action.

    So, who knows? The figure is bollocks and the definition probably is too.

  11. 11
    Big Bad Al says:

  12. 12
    4 Skin says:

    A non violent killing !!!

  13. 13
    Andy Burnham says:

    Yes 4skin a non violent killing is possible.

  14. 14
    Right Full Rudder says:

    Why? If the Scot Nats started rioting and blowing shit up after they lose their referendum, I would expect the number of the fuckers to be shot to be >0

  15. 15
    A. Greed says:

    Yes, token indeed. Would be out of her depth in a small puddle. “Senior Minister of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and Minister for Faith and Communities” = you were useless as chairman but it would look waacissstt if we sacked you altogether.

  16. 16
    lolwut says:

    “one of Britain’s closest allies”

    wut

  17. 17
  18. 18
    Right Full Rudder says:

    Funny that he’s called Al. It’s as if the lead singer of the Libertines was called Junk or the host of Jim’ll Fix It was called Paed.

  19. 19
    Wasting my time... says:

    It’s pretty clear that she meant 2002 rather than 2012, which would make sense given the question and the initial part of her answer. That would be in line with OCHA figures. It was a typo in a written answer not a smear.

  20. 20
    figures add up says:

    add in the prenatal s,
    life expectancy
    forced to work aboard
    suicide fodder

    well for another Arab state they live far too long
    for some westerns this figure is 100% plus out, 100,000 annually are snuffed
    for some westerns this Guido figure surprise surprise maybe right

  21. 21
    A THONG for EUROPE says:

    ” 3,643 Palestinian civilians have been killed by Israelis since 1 January 2012 ”

    Chicken feed compared to the hundreds of thousands Slaughtered in conflicts started by the Blair and Campbell War Machine

  22. 22
    Ed Balls says:

    Easy done I’m always confusing my two’s,twenty’s and twelvety’s

  23. 23
    NHS says:

    Really?

  24. 24
    Simon B says:

    Yeah, the sort who take every opportunity to have a go at I s r a e l just for protecting herself. There has never been a people called “Palestinian”, that’s just a left-wing/communist myth. Personally I think the I s r a e l i s have been more than patient, soft-handed and too concerned with ‘oomin rights. They should simply wipe out every last so-called Palestinian and take the land for themselves. It is the only way the problem will ever be solved. The Pals don’t and never will want peace.

  25. 25
    Ed Balls says:

    Eleventeen

  26. 26
    A THONG for EUROPE says:

    The truth does not grab headlines , but inaccurate spin does ask Chris Bryant
    You can always make a twat of yourself backtracking after the front pages have printed it

  27. 27
    eHarmony says:

    Please do not contact us again, we have heard from our competitors that you are ‘unique’

  28. 28
    Hi News says:

    Boulton:How do manage to sleep at night?
    Campbell:With a gun under my pillow.

  29. 29
    The Shah of Potters Bar says:

    The writer was probably thinking about the British Mandate period in Palestine…. when the Israelis were attacking British soldiers..

  30. 30
    Lalalabour Loonies says:

    Labour are in LaLaLand. Tom Harris thinks Ed Militwit is Magaret Thatcher! Jeeez ? Fucking delusional!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/10239982/Ed-Miliband-is-a-b-and-thats-a-good-thing.html

    Loonies!

  31. 31
    If 'you're worried about people being oppressed and dying visit your local old folks home says:

    You know on your journey to that support the fuck knows where rally in Hyde park?
    Well there are thousands of old people who could do with your help you passed on the way.
    Simple things like cutting hedges,mowing lawns even just a chat.

  32. 32
    Displaced Brummie says:

    Aha! The Dread Baron strikes again!

  33. 33
  34. 34
    sumthing else says:

    Warsi’s figure of 3643 probably suggests the period from 2002 [“no assessment of the number of non-violent protestors killed or injured in the Occupied Palestinian Territories since 2002″] until 2012. [ ‘Since’ 2012 should have been changed to ‘up until’ 2012.]
    Going by that Neo’s 262 x Warsi’s 10 years would be much nearer the mark.

    BTW How many innocent Isra-eli civilians during that 10 year period have lost their lives?

  35. 35
    Whiffler says:

    The description of Israel as “one of Britain’s closest Allies” is the biggest mistake here. Can’t understand Guido-Zion alliance, as it’s unlike Guido to be holier-than-thou.

  36. 36
  37. 37
    My life already says:

    It’s eloC yrraH. He’s a 4 by 2.

  38. 38
    Jimmy says:

    You righties blow hot and cold. One minute you’re turning them into soap, the next they can do no wrong.

  39. 39
    THE LABOUR PARTY PARROT says:

    Squawk” Boom and Bust” Squawk “Bankers Bonus” Squawk “Same old Tories” Squawk !

  40. 40
    Pliny the Welder says:

    I agree with the right of our 4Bee2 friends to their own country and to attack and exact revenge when attacked – I do not subscribe to the idea of genocide – the Pals, if you look at their entire 2000 year+ history shows that far from being swivel eyed, frothing mozzie killers, they have always been quite a peaceful and tolerant bunch – incidentally almost indistinguishable from a DNA perspective from any indigenous 4bee2s.

    “Tis an even funnier old world when you don’t just reach for the easy solutions – or indeed the final ones.

  41. 41
    Soap Dodger says:

    Oi, you try getting a tit wank on £63 per week.

  42. 42
  43. 43
    fiGOM says:

    Woman’s a useless buffoon. Wonder how she ever got promoted.. [innocent face]

  44. 44
    twitter watch says:

    Believe it is Neo Guido who most favours the Guido – Zion alliance.
    He placed a comment on Twitter a while back, more or less suggesting he is Je-wish, or has Je-wish roots himself and his sick to death for having to continually defend this position.

  45. 45
    JACK DROMEY winner of all female short list for Birmingham Edrington says:

    I give the wife everything i earn and still can’t get one

  46. 46
    Anonymous says:

    Don’t ever think to care for people in this country. You get laughed at by MPs.

    The life of a UK person is much less valuable then their image.

    2015 is soon. We will get rid of these fake MPs.

  47. 47
    Mr A Hitler says:

    It was us socialists who did that.

  48. 48
    Pliny the Welder says:

    Or, in order to make a balanced equation:

    Let y=number of 4be2s killed.
    For any value of y, where y>0, it’s still too many.

    Proportionally, where Y<0 then x will increase.
    Inversely, where x<0 then Y will increase.

    Using game theory, explain the benefit to either party of X or Y <0?

  49. 49
    Owen Jones says:

    To be honest though if China or Russia were the one’s backing Israel instead of America we wouldn’t give a fuck about the Palestinians.

  50. 50
    Think about it! says:

    How many of you can name a single Palestinian of note, someone who has done good for humanity and world peace etc?

  51. 51
    shooty* says:

    Bravo.

  52. 52
    Steele, Cheats and Robb - solicitors. says:

    Who is doing the probate?

  53. 53
    Yasser Arafat says:

    Umm.

  54. 54
    Jimmy says:

    Presumably he means that great tory triumph at Suez.

  55. 55
    Never tried either says:

  56. 56
    The Halal Baroness says:

    I wish they would make pork sausages and bacon for me. I love porkies.

  57. 57
    Dodgy Swiss Banker says:

    You certainly put enough money in our bank, Yasser. Shokran.

  58. 58
    Parasite says:

    The hasbara technique of referring to Israel in the feminine never ceases to make my stomach churn

  59. 59
    anon gentile says:

    With ‘friends’ like them, we don’t need………….

  60. 60
    I G says:

    You see Guido, this is the problem. I’m broadly sympathetic to most of your entries – fellow travellers and all that – however the above post deliberately misunderstands and misrepresents both the situation and the good Baroness. You know fine well she means the period from 2002-2012. It’s a slip of the pen. If you’re position is so strong and you believe in it so much, why do you need to completely misrepresent those with opposing views (or even those with broadly similar views on Israel). The fact that you have chosen to portray it otherwise, so aggressively, makes me wonder which of your other posts I should trust and which I shouldn’t. Please enlighten me.

  61. 61
    Sir William Waid says:

    Jesus of Nazareth.

  62. 62
    Parasite says:

    You mean she was promoted through fiddling with children ?

  63. 63
    Salmond's a bawbag says:

    Yes, but it will be their fellow Scots like me who will do the killing.

  64. 64
    He's lost wood.get the fluffer says:

    I was alright till I saw that photo.

  65. 65
    Call me Dave mincing into oblivion in 2015 says:

    Remove this comment forthwith.

  66. 66
    twitter watch says:

    TBH I do [and don’t] give a fukc about both sides but then have always felt sorry that they have always elected w*nkers as leaders.
    Bit like the UK for the last few decades after Maggie.

  67. 67
    Guido says:

    How about, just for shits and giggles?

  68. 68
    Polly Pot says:

    one leftie freedom fighter killed is cause for international condemnation. One righty home defender killed is 100,000 too few.

  69. 69
    PLO bus bomber says:

    I found a cure for living in a small rucksack.

  70. 70
    Anonymong OE says:

    As interesting as this particular story is, why does PS (original guid) encourage/allow AW (so called wi-ki guid) to cross promote the latest in uninteresting websites he also works for? The last one was boring enough…

  71. 71
    Ad Hominem says:

    And it is socialists who ‘blow’.

  72. 72
    Ed shhhhhhh Balls says:

    You ain’t seen..etc…

  73. 73
    JACK DROMEY winner of all female short list for Birmingham Edrington says:

    ‘Viagra and Jack Daniels’ ” Yes at least four bottles , ten pills and a splint should do in your case , so long as you wear a bag over your head

  74. 74
    Slip Sliding away says:

    “since 1 January 2012″ is unambiguous and means since 1 January 2012, nothing else. It was not her pen that was slipping.

  75. 75
    Anonymous says:

    Jesus, now what ‘s got into her, wish she would f. off to Bongo Bongo land.

  76. 76
    Eric Joyce says:

    Is she speaking from experience?

  77. 77
    Anonymous says:

    Israel an ally? You are having a laugh…

  78. 78
    RoP Communidee Leader says:

    Dunno, but I read that Jesus saves!

  79. 79
    I G says:

    Fair enough

  80. 80
    Paniagua v5 says:

    A treble bagger if ever i saw one.

  81. 81
    Abba Cuss says:

    Not to mention the sunnys and the sheeyas killing each other by the hundreds daily all over the middle east. At this rate there soon won’t be many left!

  82. 82
    trolls are tossers says:

    Oh dear, another ignorant bigot. Just to provide your tiny bunkered mind with three good examples;

    Munir Nayfeh; the worlds leading expert on nanotechnology.
    Naim Attallah; publisher (including backing the Oldie which I am guessing fits your age group).
    Hashem El Serag; leading cancer researcher.

    It is so pathetic to see a belief that all merit resides in one group and is absent from another. I suggest you do humanity a favour and consider your future.

  83. 83
    Lizzie says:

    Muslim untruthful in order to criticise Israel …. gosh, hold the front page!

    From a UN report about hostilities …

    “The vulnerability of Palestinian civilians was exacerbated due to the almost total absence of basic protective measures, such as warning systems and bomb shelters – available to civilians in Israel – as well as by the reported practice of Palestinian armed groups shooting from within, or in close proximity to, civilian areas.”

    Then later in the report referring to the hostilities in November 2012

    “The almost uninterrupted firing of projectiles into
    southern Israel severely disrupted the lives of about
    one million Israelis living within the 40 km, radius
    and placed many people at serious risk. The limited
    number of civilian fatalities in Israel is explained,
    primarily, by the protective measures implemented
    by the Israeli authorities in the affected areas,
    including the ‘Iron Dome’ system, the availability
    of bomb shelters in almost every residence, and an
    effective alarm system.”

    So a lot of the blame for Palestinian casualties seems to be the result of the Palestinian ‘authorities’ deliberately failing their own civilians. What a surprise!

  84. 84
    trolls are tossers says:

    Very unlikely since the emergence of UKIP interest in said land.

  85. 85
    trolls are tossers says:

    Good afternoon Mr Israeli Ambassador.

  86. 86
    The Late Winston Churchill says:

    “I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.”

  87. 87
    Anyone of voting age who is not senile says:

    Eh?

  88. 88
    The great enemy of truth is persistant myth. says:

    Why is truth elusive? The Izzy/Pali conflict is shrouded in myth from both sides of the debate and the truth was dead & buried a long time ago. Is this deliberate deception on both sides to prevent a solution that neither side actually wants? There is so much deliberate deception being propagated on a daily basis. It beggars belief.

  89. 89
    Bazinga! says:

    Shock horror! Muslim cow hates Joows.

    Tomorrow bear shit in the woods and the Pope really is Catholic.

  90. 90
    Tay King-dePisse says:

    The trouble is, that when you’re dealing with a subject like the Levantine conflicts that have been going on practically since the dawn of mankind, it behoves you to get the figures absolutely correct so there can be no allegations of any attempts to obscure the issues involved.

    This is one area where Heinlein’s Razor, “Think ‘stupidity,’ before ‘malice’,” does not really apply– stupidity can (should?) get you just as much grief as malice can, and possibly more.

    End of rant.

  91. 91
    Anonymous says:

    Or Mel Phillips?

  92. 92
    Troll Finder General says:

    Parasite is a perfect description for you & your noxious views but Troll would be far better………..

  93. 93
    Dolly Parton says:

    And I sleep on my back.

  94. 94
    trolls are tossers says:

    It would be more interesting if tomorrow the Pope shits in the woods and bears turn out to be Catholic.

  95. 95
    Anonymous says:

    Guido drinking himself to death – 10 years too late.

  96. 96
    Anonymous says:

    Shits and Giggles – Guido’s staff?

  97. 97
    Yankee Go Home says:

    Maths

  98. 98
    Tory MP says:

    So often quoted and so untrue. Winston was never knowingly sober in the morning.

  99. 99
    Tory MP says:

    Don’t be silly. If that were the case she would have met with Little Willy on Brighton beach and been sent to Brussels.

  100. 100
    Tory MP says:

    From what I hear Willy and Liam can provide a good blow…..

  101. 101
    Spice Merchant says:

    The Baroness is very spicy.

  102. 102
    Tory MP says:

    Does Verity pulling off Liam count as a tit wank?

  103. 103
    Ally Schmally says:

    The Isra eli terror gangs killed a large British soldiers in the past, but pseudo-patriots (including one from Ireland we know) don’t think that is important – so think we should look on the modern state of Isra el as faultless friends of the UK.

  104. 104
    Ally Schmally says:

    Edward Said

  105. 105
    The General says:

    The reason for the intentional mistake lies in her name.

  106. 106
  107. 107
    I Remember You Hoo says:

    Jimmy just sucks, on thread after thread.

    His lamentable ‘knowledge’ is spread as thinly as the vitamin content in an average jockanese diet.

  108. 108
    Diogenes says:

    Allies?
    This is the country that was selling arms to the Argies during the Falklands spat?
    ‘scuse me while I laugh.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1379008/A-deep-rooted-hatred-British-How-Israelis-armed-junta-Falklands-conflict.html

  109. 109
    Bundesliga says:

    Not if it goes to penalties

  110. 110
    Mid Staffs says:

    Seems OK.

  111. 111
    Mid Staffs says:

    Innocent, guilty, we don’t care.

  112. 112
    Baroness Ashton says:

    I have never met little Willy

  113. 113
    A dildo says:

    Even I’m limp

  114. 114
    manuel says:

    Jimmy always was an expert on those who lose.
    It’s a Scottish thing.
    They have so much experience

  115. 115
    Statistician says:

    Yep, it’s a typo in the year – the number is since 2002, as the question asked.

    Using the UN Office ochaopt.org online database if you select:

    * 2002-01-01
    * 2012-12-31
    * Deaths
    * Direct Israeli / Palestinian Conflict
    * West Bank
    * Gaza Strip
    * PAL (Casualty Identity)

    you get 3698, pretty close to the number Warsi gave.

    Trouble is, that is an understimate as the UN Office has little/no data pre-2005. You essentially get the same number since 2005 – for the dates 2005-01-01 to 2012-12-31 and the same selections the number is 3686, or 460 deaths /year on average.

  116. 116
    Anonymous says:

    Typical of this silly bitch. Cameron is crazy promoting such a dim-witted anti-British freak to such high office

  117. 117
    Anonymous says:

    why is use of the word b..tch banned by Guido these days?

  118. 118
    askerratt says:

    Britain’s closest allies ? our shame

    Sent from Samsung Mobile

  119. 119
    The revisionist left always pretend they 'care' says:

    Oh here we go, the left deliberately murdered over 150 million innocents during the last century and it looks like Burnham’s NHS and Labour added many thousands more, during the Neue Arbeit thirteen year Reich.

  120. 120
    Huree Jamset Sing says:

    Warsi…Morsi! Let’s call the whole thing off.

  121. 121
    Statistician says:

    If you add the selection:

    * Done By: Israeli (All)

    to the above, and use an end date of 2013-07-29 (the day before the PQ), you get 3643, exactly the number Warsi gave.

    So this is extremely likely to be what the civil servant preparing the answer did. I wonder if the typo was from the civil servant, Hansard, or semewhere in between.

  122. 122
    mraemiller says:

    That’s why they need absolute privilege

    Wasi is dodgy shock

  123. 123
    Fed Up says:

    This woman has squash for brains and suffers from verbal diarrhoea but there must more Palestinians killed than the two hundred or so mentioned. What is happening to the Palestinians is inhuman but no one is helping them under the Human Rights act !! I wonder why or must we not mention it ?

  124. 124
    A-Level Sums says:

    OK. Here’s your homework.

    Find the solution for x+y=0, where x or y must equal 0.

    Then impose it.

    (4be2s can use very large values of 0, if they wish).

  125. 125
    Fed Up says:

    Simon B, I suggest that you do some historical research on your Hero nation before speaking out aloud.

  126. 126
    Fed Up says:

    The answer is; Israel 2000+ ……… Palestine 200

  127. 127
    Fed Up says:

    Do you mean Allah Cameron ?

  128. 128
    Fed Up says:

    Do You mean gets a job because of their race ? If so it is happening in all professions.

  129. 129
    Parasite says:

    What exactly is noxious about this one view I have epoused? Are you denying that Hasbarists usually deploy a panoply of cheap gimmicks in order to bolster their point?

  130. 130
    Fed Up says:

    But expanded polystyrene is useful !

  131. 131
    Fed Up says:

    Blair is a war criminal and should be tried as one but first the death penalty should be brought back. Organise a lottery for who can pull the lever and the money in would pay off our National debt.

  132. 132
    Parasite says:

    How many of you can name a single Palestinian who is in the business of turning the world into a cesspit with money lent at usury, pornography, degenerate pop ‘culture’, drugs, white slavery, organ trafficking etc.

  133. 133
    Parasite says:

    ‘Home’? Try ‘squatted property’.

  134. 134
    Fed Up says:

    No Palestinian has ever had the chance to do anything of note due to being permantly oppressed by Israel.

  135. 135
    Fed Up says:

    May be the Liverpool Pathway would be better than Jack Daniels !

  136. 136
    Fed Up says:

    I think it is a take over !

  137. 137
    Fed Up says:

    Cameron is anti- British any way.

  138. 138
    John Tandy says:

    I would have thought that to be perfectly obvious Guido….

  139. 139
    Quiet Bat Person says:

    Only 262 civilans killed? Oh, that’s all right then.

  140. 140
    Kateesh'a says:

    If its not UDDIN its WARSI …

  141. 141
    Yasser Arafat says:

    I got rich due to useful idiots like you funding my attempt at finishing what the Nazis started

  142. 142
    John Smith says:

    Israel is currently a British ally, just like France, Germany, Japan, Italy and the USA, all of which are former enemies

  143. 143
    there's too many of 'em says:

    what about values of x<0. I mean, those m o zz ies breed like fuckin rabbits

  144. 144
    Anonymous says:

    Obviouly – but he bambozoles his way though his dimwitted party members.

  145. 145
    Julie K lobbyist supreme says:

    You stupid losers. Dave is simply simply wonderful, and he still invites me to his lovely lovely garden parties.

  146. 146
    dobie says:

    “projectiles” means stones and rocks.

  147. 147
    2112 says:

    262 Palestinians killed; nothing to say they were all civilians.

  148. 148
    NHS death camp says:

    I’m sorry but no one gives a monkeys about the Israelis or the Palstinians.

    They richly deserve each other and should be walled up i their ghastly corner of the world to squabble over three orange trees and an olive tree while the rest of us get on with our lives. Let me put this really simply for all the political classes ; we British peasants don’t care about the Middle East.

    And, by the way, after a generation or two here, neither does your average Muzzie or Issie.

  149. 149
    I love the smell of Phosporous incendiary devices in the morning says:

    262 down, 3 million to go.

  150. 150
    Politicians are scum says:

    And replace them with a load more. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

  151. 151
    Jimmy says:

    And St. George

  152. 152
    Lord Moyne says:

    Do you have a chip inserted that makes you over react and lose your sense of proportion when the word Israel is mentioned. It is SO boring. Any anti Israel feeling from Warsi is the least of the things you could criticise her for.

  153. 153
    Plural noun says:

    Your data are wrong….

  154. 154
    A-Level Sums says:

    No, math.
    Deliberate.
    Keeps Mossad off the scent.


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