July 13th, 2013

Labour Ministers Opposed Plain Packaging

plain-packsLabour are trying to make a big issue out of the government formally dropping plain packaging, as if this was all Lynton Crosby’s doing. The policy was not actually in the Queen’s Speech so this announcement was hardly a surprise. The fact is it is hard to find a major lobbying firm that is not, or was not retained by Big Tobacco at some point over the last 30 years.

It is not as if when Labour was in government ministers showed any more enthusiasm for the plain packaging idea:

Alan Johnson, Secretary of State Health, 16 December 2008:


“I have to say, however, that despite the fact that the right hon. Gentleman is quite right about the huge response in favour of plain packaging, there is no evidence base that it actually reduces the number of young children smoking. We want to keep that under review, and when there is an evidence base for it, it could well be another important measure to meet our goal, which is to reduce the number of young people smoking.

Gillian Merron, Public Health Minister, 25 June 2009:


“No studies have been undertaken to show that plain packaging of tobacco would cut smoking uptake among young people or enable those who want to quit to do so. Given the impact that plain packaging would have on intellectual property rights, we would undoubtedly need strong and convincing evidence of the benefits to health, as well as its workability, before this could be promoted and accepted at an international level – especially as no country in the world has introduced plain packaging.”

Andy Burnham, Secretary of State Health, November 2009:


“No studies have shown that introducing plain packaging of tobacco products would cut the number of young people smoking, or enable people who want to quit, to do so. Given the impact that plain packaging would have on intellectual property rights, we would need strong and convincing evidence showing the health benefits of this policy before it would be acceptable at an international level.”

Exactly the same lines spun by the current government yesterday,,,


  1. 1
    Tachybaptus says:

    I should think that the ministers now wish they themselves came in plain packaging instead of the toxic New Labour brand.

    • 4
      Will Straw says:

      All my fags came in a clear plastic bag.

      • 7
        Happiness is knowing you are Welsh says:

        If you should have the sheer temerity to smoke then Governments make sure you pay through the nose and are turned into some sort of public enemy.

        At the same time Governments even encourage you to gamble.

        Tessy Jowell actually said wasting your money on the Lottery was “good fun” and Richard Branson was even nodding in the background

    • 5
      V1le Labour trashed my Country says:

      Labour is toxic with any branding. I’m feeling exceptionally enriched today in my super diverse multicultural eu dominated corrupt UK cesspit of a Country and eagerly anticipate 10 million more sponging scumbag immigrants.

      • 122
        Is this clear enough says:

        I feel similarly enriched also.
        It is not the Government’s job to worry about what we eat, drink or smoke – just listen to the majority and protect our fvcking borders you bunch of useless, self-serving, spastic cnuts.

    • 77
      #Judgewithoutajury says:

      Well done Guidoella.

      This is not something the BBC will tell you. all they report is how much Mrs abbott is upset.

    • 232
      The Bleedin Oblivious says:

      Jesus bleedin Christian. First it was bleedin Eton. Then it was bleedin gay marriage. Now its bleedin plain packaging. Fags, fags, fags. Why are the bleedin Camaroons always bleedin bangin on about bleedin fags?

    • 291
      Hypocrisy? says:

      Tories must be worried, they’ve got Guido and his minions desperately trying to crush this story. What is wrong with Lynton taking money from vested interests, delivering them policy changes whilst directing the attack on the unions influence over Labour I ask you.

  2. 2
    Sir William Waad says:

    I can’t think plain packaging would make much difference. Smokers crave cigarettes because they are addicted to nicotine. The brand they choose is merely a matter of habituation.

    • 14

      Although I would agree with you, most people seem to regard branding as absolutely vital. They associate with a product as the do not have sufficient confidence in themselves to do without a prop. I have no such problems and don’t need to be a walking advert for Adidas, Armani or Nike.

      I never even had a suit from Gieves.

      • 38
        Point of Information 2 says:

        Arguments against plain packaging are:

        a) It will not stop people smoking
        b) It will prevent people from discriminating between brands making the cheaper brands just as appealing to the eye. The cheaper smokes are usually more damaging and could lead to an increase in consumption and overall have the opposite public health effect.

        This is before you get into the finer issues of just how far the state should be allowed to intervene in the packaging design of consumer products.

        I for one always get a laugh at the nut allergy warnings of packs of chopped nuts. As I get a laugh at the general death warnings plastered all over a pack of cigarettes.

        • 70

          Because I do not hold a point of view over plain packaging, the issue is really without substance for me. I used to be a smoker, in my youth, but it did not agree with my hayfever allergy and so I gave up, twice.

          It is surely not for any person to define what the arguments against, or for, some proposed measure is – for everyone else. In my case, my allergy causes me distress when someone smokes in proximity to me. The consequence of this is that a choice is then required. I am in the middle of a meal and I have to abandon it to escape a nearby diner’s smoking or they have to desist for me. As long as the protocol is known in advance, I do not mind. However, I am not going to place my business with an establishment who does not care for my predicament. From what I already know of you, that is reasonably argued for both sides.

          It does raise another distinct issue. How much should a NHS-type system spend on combating cancer when the unfortunate who has contracted it has smoked heavily for all his life in disregard for the strong empirical evidence of connection between the disease and smoking?

          To my mind the currently perceived fault-line over plain packaging is nowhere near where the ethical nexus of this argument really lies.

          • Anonymous says:

            Move the nexus. Revise the Liverpool pathway as free fags, booze, heroine and viagra for all those who have never paid taxes so that we do not have the them living on to become an army of pensioners dying slowly and painfully in NHS organised humiliation. Instead they can pop off happy and stop living off the rest of us.

          • Django Cough says:

            Im not a smoker but on a purely anecdotal basis I think at least 50 % of those that I do see smoking also roll their own. Is the brand important to them, not in the least I think. How much of this rolling tobacco is contraband I wonder?

          • @Anonymong

            Just as one may not simply move Liverpool and stick it in the middle of the Pennines, near Heptonstall, one may not move the ethical nexus of the argument without completely invalidating it.

          • inestynes bolok says:

            Your argument has fuck all to do with packaging. Spend less time trying to appear intelligent and you might achieve what you desire.

      • 95
        Anonymous says:

        Did you hear the aggressive Aussie on the radio on thursday when this was announced ? he was bonkers !

    • 46
      Balls of Steel says:

      Just ban the damn things outright.

      • 239
        Maqboul says:

        Good idea – worked for marijuana.

      • 299
        Expat Geordie says:

        Simple solution, which I have never heard suggested, and which would probably never be allowed on civil liberties/human rights grounds. Have a rolling age limit for legal smoking.

        Currently you have to be 16 (or is it 18 – Labour kept changing all of the recognised ages for things – you can now be a fag at 16 but not buy a fag until 18) to purchase tobacco. Change it so that you cannot buy tobacco if you were born after, say, 1st January 2000. All of the current smokers can buy tobacco until they die prematurely, but new smokers can’t, so they have to give up. You then need to enforce the law rigorously to make it work, unlike the current drugs laws. That way you wipe out smoking in 50 years.

    • 55
      Just Desserts says:

      Raleigh brought tobacco to England, and popularised it.
      Raleigh got his head chopped off.

      Good result.

    • 325
      Cigarette Smuggler extraordinary. says:

      I want plain packaging as it would lower my costs, make it easier for me to move my goods around, confound the port authorities, and make me much more money.

  3. 3
    The blue Skoda in the carpark says:

    Over the years British America Tobacco have been a top FTSE performer.

    Successive UK Governments have always taken direct and indirect taxes without a squeak.

  4. 6
    Scottish Chav says:

    labour politicians … two faced? shurely not!

    • 326
      Red Ed Millibandwagon. says:

      Be quiet – we are the ultimate hypocrite party.
      I see Obama is following my lead and jumping around on the Zimmerman verdict.
      Way to go – waggons up.

  5. 8
    40-a-day man says:

    e-ciggies are the future. Buy in stocks now before the Govt. bans them – not enough tax paid!

    • 19
      Universal Hiss says:

      Quite right. I spent a fortune on cigs,switched to rolling tobacco & have been on e-cigs for over a year.Previous cost £30 weekly.Now £4.

      No wonder the tossers in Europe want to make them “medicines”. Must not have something that saves thousands of lives if the tax take isn’t high enough.Also our friends at Bat & Bayer don’t like it either.

      It could come to pass that e-cigs are illegal & tobacco is not.How fucking mad is that?(In fact there are several countries who have banned e-cigs so the U.K. is not as bat shit crazy on this issue just yet,but give it time.)

      • 21
        Scottish Chav says:

        how does islam stand on the e-cig?

      • 42
        Point of Information 2 says:

        The funny public health issue are the ads pushing nicotine tobacco on TV and elsewhere as being better and helpful aid in quitting smoking.

        Misses the point that smokers are addicted to nicotine, and by changing their source they are not breaking their habit. But they are lining the pockets of the people who are manufacturing the gum.

        This is a bit like pushing junkies onto methodone…

        (Not bashing smokers – nothing wrong with that. Only draw the line at smoking around children: Responsible smoking should be fine.)

        • 79
          Infanta of Castile says:

          The point is that nicotine addiction may possibly be harmful but not nearly as harmful as nicotine plus the carcinogens and other toxic rubbish inhaled (and exhaled onto the rest of us) by smokers of conventional cigarettes.
          The plain pack argument is about stopping kids being attracted to ‘designer’ packs and hence hooked in to smolking. I think that is an issue but can’t get up much enthusiasm for plain packaging as I suspect that it would just lead to a new fashion for designer cigarette cases – probably coordinating with i-phone etc.

          • Lampshade says:

            More to the point, smokers will be sold any old rubbish by the unscrupulous.

            Plain packaging will also make it easier to smuggle.

      • 279
        Steve says:

        As a smoker who knows it’s doing me no good, i have contemplatd these e-ciggie things. Have you been using the same brand/type for the year, if so can i ask what it is, and where you get them. Thanks.

    • 25
      John Bellingham says:

      Two years ago there was one e-cig. Now, my local convenience shop has twelve brands ( I just bought a new one today, OK King Size in a very fancy black and gold pack! My shopkeeper pal tells me that the new brands are supplied by his tobbacco wholesaler.

      • 32
        Universal Hiss says:

        They are trying to muscle in like mad.It’s said there are a million e-cig users in the U.K. I have no idea if that figure is accurate.

        Bty if you are serious about using e-cigs buy them on line from a reputable seller.You’ll find more choice & much cheaper than a shop.

        • 194
          Headmistress (away on hols at present) says:

          There is currently running in Malaysia (led by the islamoloons of the rather rigid northern states) a campaign to ban hookah pipe smoking (a growing trend among the young who wish to appear trendy and ‘with it’), claiming that one session on a hookah is equivalent to smoking 200 fags.

          So howzabout that then?

          • Pulau Penang says:

            They don’t like people smoking hookahs because they sit and talk about stuff. That is very bad if you want to control people’s minds.

  6. 9
    a non says:

    Plain packaging? Or will it include sensible messaging? Like-

    ‘Labour government is not conducive to good health’
    ‘Smoking kills [but then so does Andy Burnham]‘
    ‘This blank space is for Miliband’s 1st actual policy’
    ‘After sex smoking has no contraceptive benefits’
    ‘Smoking reduces appetite- Be a picture of health like Die Abbott’

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  8. 11
    Ippikin says:

    Sod the baccie, what about the Tynon ad girlie?

  9. 12
    ava gasper says:

    as said before branding attracts, case being Marlboro cigarettes which was for girls then targeted men.

    • 34
      Ippikin says:

      I remember Marlborough in the 60′s when they were mega-macho. The slogan was ‘I’d rather fight than switch’ and exclusively targeting red-neck macho men.

      • 47
        A Sardine says:

        Don’t ciggies have an important history in the feminist movement ?

        I think the whole ‘they reduce appetite’ bs was a result of a campaign aimed at women years back by one of the major tobacco companies.

        Smoking was a big symbol of women’s independence at one point.

        • 66
          Ippikin says:

          That’s right, it was very much a sign of ‘perceived’ emancipation.
          There used to be some butch cowboy with a black eye saying ‘I’d rather fight than switch’. A bit pathetic, but the DC in the 60′s??

      • 195
        Headmistress (away on hols at present) says:

        That macho cowboy fellow in the Marlborough ads died of lung cancer.

        Kharma or just desserts?

      • 328
        Just Saying says:

        Don’t forget the “cool as a mountain spring” for the menthol ciggies.

  10. 13
    Andrew Efiong says:

    The only smoke here is from Labour’s pants which are on fire.

    They lie and lie and lie.

    • 16

      It is not that they can’t tell the truth.

      They can’t tell the difference.

      • 36
        Ippikin says:

        Mr. Cat Have you yet decided if you are alive or if you are dead? Or is it that even you do not know?
        I suspect that you believe you are alive, but who really knows.

        • 72

          Last week I learned that one of my dearest friends had died of a heart attack, at the rather tender age of 62. He had died in January.

          Having suffered a mild stroke, at the age of 55, I now realise how unnecessary his death really was.

          Putting aside the interesting thought experiment aspect of my favourite moniker, it must be clear that none of us knows what fate has in store for us. However, if I last long enough to press the Submit Comment button and you last long enough to actually read it, we may both be forgiven for assuming that we are both still alive.

          I do not think I can offer better than that.

          • Ippikin says:

            I think that under the circumstances we must both assume we are indeed alive and should be suitable grateful for the mercy of our continuing brain function and the retention of our humour.
            Whilst secured in your box, I counsel you neither to open the jar, not to breathe too rapidly; then you will surely outlive us all.

          • Universal Hiss says:

            One of my uni friends died a couple of months ago at the age of 59. Died of a heart attack on a run.

            I ran a little slower for a few days after that news, not that my running is faster than a brisk walk.

          • The box is an appearance. It has no basis in fact,

            Had I been constrained to a box with, or without, a poisonous vial, I may have actually been better behaved in my life. But let’s not go over that…

          • @UH

            Who am I to say?

            But I think that mental attitude is >90% of survival.

          • Ippikin says:

            Must say I haven’t run since I was 16. Always seems to me that it is an unnatural thing to do unless persued or persuing and so far I have been lucky.
            I prefer to walk briskly with a cheerful whistle to keep my spirits up whilst on my way to the pub.

          • Yogi Berra says:

            Ninety-percent of the game is mental.
            The other half is physical.

          • Headmistress (away on hols at present) says:

            From your phraseology it is unclear which of you had the stroke. This is known as a hanging particle and the style is often used to deceive the reader.

      • 48
        A Sardine says:

        Labour: Dishonestly Dishonest

        Cons: Honestly Dishonest

        Liberals: Just plain criminal.

    • 39
      Bluto says:

      They are the party of liars, lies and lying.

  11. 15
    John Bellingham says:

    As an enthusiastic smoker as well as a regular “giver-up” and an ex-advertising man, let me point out the current stupidity of the tobacco nazis.
    When graphic pictures of diseases and slogans like “Smoking Kills” were forced onto cigarette packs, the kids started collecting all the different ones until they had a full set. What nine year old boy was ever put off by grusome pictures?
    The current (and stupid) TV ad of a car filling with more smoke than a Boeing 777 shows a man puffing on a fag. God! Does he make me want to light up!
    Fancy cigarette packaging only started in the 1950s. Before then people purchased their smokes in tins or loose and put them into a fancy cigarette case–just as they would with plain packaging.

    • 17
      ava gasper says:

      Philip Morris launched the Marlboro brand in 1924 as a woman’s cigarette, based on the slogan “Mild As May”. In the 1920s, advertising for the cigarette was primarily based around how ladylike the cigarette was. To this end, the filter had a printed red band around it to hide lipstick stains, calling it “Beauty Tips to Keep the Paper from Your Lips”.[1]

      • 329
        Just Saying says:

        I alway preferred Balkan Sobranie as they were so cool in their day.
        Over 3 years I moved onto Disque Blue without filter, then Dutch cheroots, then Macanudo cigars, then a pipe, and then threw them all away and never smoked again. Still got the leather cigar case for 3 cigars and a vintage Punch Habana to remind me.

    • 22
    • 23
      Universal Hiss says:

      So it will soon be government policy to restrict lorries & cars in city centres because of all the damaging particulates they emit,causing known health problems.

      What that? It’s very quiet.

      As usual. Follow the money.

      • 50
        A Sardine says:

        Tried and failed with congestion charge, and sourcing cheap diesel to power London buses.

        PP10 is more damaging that cigarette: Arguably smoking helps give you some protection against other sources of air pollution.

    • 30
      Anonymous says:

      But they must do something. They have to. It just can not go on like this. They can not help their addiction to saving people that do not want to be saved.

      But what are they saving them for? The person who began smoking did it for a reason, that reason still exists. They must target the cause and remove the area of brain responsible. It is the only way. Smokers must be cleansed.

      I might hate smoking, but I absolutely hate those too stupid to understand humanity.
      I wish these people could only appear on TV with a white paper bags over their heads.

      • 37
        Universal Hiss says:

        Addiction is a human characteristic. It depends on your choice & time whether it is socially acceptable.

        I don’t need a government telling me what is acceptable,as long as I’m not harming others.

        Look at the quality of MPs.Do you really think they are really concerned about you or me?

        • 44
          Anonymous says:

          Yes, some are addicted to power. Just add up how many have died or been maimed by their addiction. They are the cause. Their addiction is more deadly than any other in the history of the world.

          Some of these addicted people are MPs.

        • 51
          Anonymous says:

          Yes, some are addicted to power. Many have died because of their addiction. Their addiction is more deadly than any other in the history of the world.

          Some of these addicted people are MPs.

      • 49
        Ippikin says:

        Hear hear Sir/Madam and a message to the Messianic anti-smokers.

        You and your brain-dead kind have persecuted smokers to the point of extinction. You have forced them outdoors into the rain, wind and cold. You have demonised them, yet how many smokers have glassed anyone, or bludgeoned them to death with a cigarette butt in a state of uncontrollable nicotine fueled fury?
        I presume you are very happy with the high level of taxes on tobacco that subsidises your healthcare and welfare, instead of facing your own hypocrisy.
        Sure, smoking kills, but with present laws, it kills smokers and leaves you alone, which is a freedom of choice they rightly enjoy.
        So get off your high-horse, slip around the corner, as the bloke there is waiting to flog you a joint. It might help you (light)en up.
        60-80 a day but now 30 years reformed; not sanctimonious and proud of it.

        • 54
          A Sardine says:

          My only complaint is that the quality of Tobacco in UK cigarettes is not what it was.

          Best cigarettes are from Indones!a in my opinion – but are hard to come by here. Europe have tried banning the humble Kretek. Shame on them.

          US used to be a good place to procure, and Marlborough’s from there are very tasty. Carbon filtered butts, not banning, is the way forward.

          • Ippikin says:

            Personally I preferred Disc Blue, but I was a bit of a prat in those days. Maybe I still am, who knows.

          • A Sardine says:

            Nothing wrong with Gaul’s – very tasty.

            I prefer good quality nicotine in larger doses with a smooth flavor. Personal choice, and don’t really care too much about the consequences as that is how I wish to live now.

            E-Ciggies out as they don’t work well under water :-)

            If it’s your choice and you pay attention to those around you when indulging, then that is your business and for no other to judge.

    • 82
      Dweeb says:

      There’s an easy way to stop the car filling with smoke. Direct the heater towards the feet (doesn’t matter what temperature but must be feet only). Open the driver’s window an inch or two. Hold fag and exhale near window.

      All smoke is forced straight out through the gap without straying into the car. Passengers don’t even know you’re smoking.

      Believe me, I’ve done it often with the missus.

    • 88
      Dweeb says:

      I just posted a useful tip to stop the car filling with smoke when you light up. It got m odd ed. FFS what goes on here?

      • 307
        Expat Geordie says:

        Not sure why, but the mod doesn’t like the word d.r.i.v.e.

        Fucked if I know why.

  12. 20
    Anonymous says:

    Just listen to yourselves.

    Plain boxes of table salt available only under the till.
    Petrol stations behind plain white fences.
    Malt whisky in opaque plain bottles
    Pubs with no names.
    Full fat milk in white paper sleeves in special fridges.
    Sugar drinks on the top shelf with only the ingredients listed.

    We already have plain packaging on nasty fish and chips.

    Only a matter of time. One must feel dirty buying these products.

    • 29
      Sir William Waad says:

      Certainly our towns, cities and roads would look much better without vile, tawdry and visually aggressive branding smeared all over them.

      • 41
        Anonymous says:

        Live in a conservation area. That is why they exist, to allow the rich not to be targeted by these offensive ideas.

        You do not for one minute think they are anything to do with history. If they were, why are all the streets so well surfaced? It was not like that back then.

        • 59
          Universal Hiss says:

          Oh, like the SSSI that Donald Trump built his golf course on?

          Sorry,Scottish politics. Slinks away shamed faced.

          • Aspect Ratio says:

            Only European designations seem to have any effect.

            SSSI isn’t really any protection at all, not least from a friend of Eck, or someone wanting to put up a windfarm.

            Oddly, a differenct American gazillionaire developed a golf course at Machrihanish in protected dune land but did so without wrecking the joint, so it could have been done properly if anyone had been bothered, which they clearly weren’t.

          • Headmistress (away on hols at present) says:

            Don’t know about where you lot live, but in Asia last night BBC showed the Panorama prog on Trump’s golf course. Time somebody pushed him – and even more so his obnoxious offspring – off the top of one of his towers. Salmond must have got a nice backhander out of that desecration of one of the prettiest parts of our country.

          • Matilda says:

            Some cvnt whose name I forget (Peter Somebody or other?) did something similar a few years back to the lovely untamed area of Lands End. The place was never the same after having concrete poured all over it. Why can’t these moneyed megalomaniac sorts just effoff out of our lives and leave natural beauty there just for its own sake?

        • 258
          Fog says:

          Anon 8.06
          You think that only rich people live in conservation areas?

      • 331
        Urban Fox. says:

        But I like the colourful packaging, and prefer the red Kentucky Fried chicken packaging to the others. It also make a colourful display on the lawns when I have finished with it.
        If it was all plain wrapping I would have to rely on my nose and taste.

    • 31
      Gaye Mann (Mrs) says:

      Religious crackpots hidden behind the burqa

      • 201
        Matilda says:

        Goodness me! Were the hooknoses at the sinnergog also up to a bit of the naughties? Must be all this religious fervour we read about.

      • 295
        Anonymous says:

        Have you considered writing in a more easily understood style? There may be something of use in your rants but I for one find them difficult to understand.
        What is the point in communicating with others in such a mangled fashion?

  13. 26
    Diane "Slimslow" Abbot says:

    Someone should tell Fat Abbot. She was on the news yesterday condemning the coalition over the issue, with her usual hyperbole.

    • 73
      Owen Jones, channeling Eminem says:

      May I have your attention please ?
      May I have your attention please ?
      Would the real slim shady please stand up ?
      Diane, sit down.
      Would the real slim shady please stand up ?
      Diane ?
      We’re gonna have a problem here…

      Diane acts like she’s never seen a white person before,
      Chins all on the floor, like John like Sally just burst in the door,
      Started whoopin’ her ass worst than before,
      They first were divorce, selling her furniture (Ahh!)

      It’s the return of the,
      ‘Ah, wait, no way, you’re kidding,
      He didn’t just say what I think he did, did he ?’,
      And Tom Watson said… nothing you idiots !
      Watson’s dead, he’s locked in my basement (A-Ha)

      Feminist women love Owen Jones,
      Miliband I’m sick of him, look at him,
      Walking around spouting you know what,
      Flipping the you know who, failing with Andrew Neil,

      Would the real Slim Shady please stand up, Diane sit down, really, sit down,
      Would the real Slim Shady please stand up, please stand up, please stand up,

    • 104
      Ippikin says:

      Self-serving hypocrite without the integrity to stand by her principles, or is it perhaps that she is frequently enlightened with a flash of common sense, lasting just long enough to please the mob until of course another re-enlightenment strikes her at a convenient moment.

      • 161
        Diane Abbott says:

        I do have “integrity” …

        I will explain this to you after I have dropped my son off at his private school on Monday !

        • 163
          Diane Abbott says:

          Lets not forgot “black mothers will go to the wall for their children “!

          • Expat Geordie says:

            Yes I can just imagine the wall.

            And the post.

            And the handcuffs.

            And the blindfold.
            And the firing squad.

        • 203
          Di's bathroom scales says:

          O U C H !! Gerrofff!!

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    Hilda says:

    Yes jolly good.

    Let big tobacco sell addictive drugs which kill hundreds of millions a year.

  16. 33
    Piss be upon him says:

    I had an ugly looking fucker approach me today and say “Please can you give me change for Ramadan”. I said no and he went on to the next person who also turned down his delightfully tempting offer. I regret saying no. What I should’ve said was “No, but you should go to Woolwich and tell the people there you’re a muslim and want some money. They’ll definitely give you something.”

    • 35
      ava gasper says:

      I watched http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0211915/ the other day, what an excellent film.
      It’s funny, she goes to put some coins in the beggars hand and he says;
      ” Oh, no thank you, I never work on Sundays”

    • 105
      Ippikin says:

      Did he have a long beard, a hook and a hunted look on his face?

    • 309
      Expat Geordie says:

      It’s like the old joke.

      I was in prison once. I got five days for burning down a mosque. The judge said that I would have gotten ten days if there had been people in it.

  17. 40
    Calamity Clegg, Chief Cockroach says:

    HEEEELLLLPPPP !!!!!!!!!

  18. 52
    Chris The Leatherman says:

    The big argument agaianst debranding fags is the amount that it wiill cost, apparently £5billion, as the tobacco companies will want compensation. Not even a mention of that on the Today programme this morning when it was portrayed as a bad decision and a U-Turn. Apparently it is not a final decision. just a delayed one. as HMG want to see what happens in Australia where fags must now be sold in packaging.

    • 57
      Universal Hiss says:

      I heard that on Today.It was pathetic.They’ve been nobbled by the tobacco industry.

      Hence the attack on e-cigs.(see above)

    • 58
      Owen Jones says:

      I am the big argument for debranding fags, but I argue for keeping the brand.

  19. 60
    A Sardine says:

    Why did no one point out that Ed Milibands Sardine rhetoric the other week was a Red Herring ? Smoked, I am sure.

  20. 62
    A Cuban Cigar says:

    Is this all about David Miliband pleasuring Hilary Clinton with a cigar, Lewinsky style, as a fitting symmetry for history ?

  21. 63
    FaggEd. says:

    What is wrong with the colourful tumours that they put on fag packets? It doesn’t work does it? Kids think smoking is cool & they enjoy the rebellionous of smoking. Plain packaging will not change this. This is nothing more than attack on Crosby because Ed Militant feels threatened by him and knows if he cannot undermine Crosby then Labour will lose the next election. This Labour’s tactic to covertly undermine the Tories with Labour concern over our health does NOT work. The public is fed up with the Nanny State that was New Labour Fannying around with our lives. Enough!

    This smokescreen reeks of Mandelson! Yes you heard it here first, the self serving Hunts that are the Bliarites are back with there meddling tripe!

    • 71
      Universal Hiss says:

      None of them could give a toss.They are just trying to grasp a line to spin to the electorate.Big tobacco & big pharma are more powerful than Dave or Ed or Van Rompuy or Barroso.All bought & paid for puppets.

      • 74

        pale, interesting, strawberry blond?

        Two references to appearance and one to metal attitude. From what I have read, I would have expected those rôles to be reversed…

        • 89
          Universal Hiss says:

          Pissed I probably was I when that typed.


          • Well Hello! My name is Schrödinger’s cat! :-D

          • Universal Hiss says:

            I’ve just noticed.You’ve lost your 2.

            I thought at first you had sockpuppet cat 2 but obviously not.

            UH has yet to be cast into the wilderness.

            I wonder how, how dare you come on this site with that moniker when it was alright yesterday, works in modding terms?

            Guido should be up for fixing the slow meltdown of the IT behind Universal Credit.

          • Since I have ADSL at two places, I assume that I get blocked for not coming onto the site in a consistent manner. I get in my car and travel over the Alps and start posting again after 6 hours or more but on a different ISP in a different country.

            The 2 overcomes the block. I have tried Latin transliterations and all sorts of other hairbrained schemes but it is simpler just to put a 2 afterwards and wait for the m*db*t to stop onanising before I remove it again.

            In a sense I can understand how anyone can’t understand how I live. I am contrarian with a capital F!

  22. 64
    Listen to the Doctor says:

    It’s not new, folks. We’ve known since Doll and Hill in the 1950s:

    Read the original paper:


    Just ban them. They’re bad.

    • 68
      FaggEd. says:

      Banning just leads to criminalisation and crime. It is the addiction that is the real problem and this is perhaps where the problem can be solved with use of clever tactics. Plain packeting does not deal with addiction.

      • 83
        Universal Hiss says:

        As with most things education is the key. Smoking should be seen to be not cool to children starting at primary age.

        The vicitimisation of smoking has worked to some extent with the various smoking bans with a knock on effect of pub closures & job losses.

        This puts the government into a fine position on moral terms.Smoking is very good.It brings in a fortune to the treasury that far outweighs the cost of smoking related diseases to the NHS.

        Smokers die earlier than non-smokers so saves a fortune on pensions & the NHS & all the caring of pensioners.

        They get loads of money into their party coffers from tobacco firms.(All parties?)

        Banning tobacco would not work.(See all history of banning stuff that joe public wants.In moves into organised crime.)So cost to customs & law enforcement goes through the roof.

        It really goes on & on.

        Sometimes I think all politics is run in this country by what The Daily Mail publishes. All spineless quivering cowards frightened by any honest presentation of difficult problems.

        • 118
          Point of Information 2 says:

          Perhaps the unintended consequence of trying to make smoking socially unacceptable is that it has made it more appealing to a rebellious youth.

          • Universal Hiss says:

            but you have to try,wouldn’t you agree?

            How you go about this probably wouldn’t be by choice left to politicians who let’s face it,haven’t a clue.They are tainted & venal.

            So,how to?

          • Point of Information 2 says:

            I think just making smoking ‘uncool’ for the young is a good way to discourage, rather than making it socially unacceptable.

            Most of the advertising has relied on a rebellious image, relying on hormones to trump common sense, so the politicians doing the same thing are on a losing bet immediately – if they want to discourage young from smoking.

            Kids I fully agree should be discouraged as smoking does impact development, like alcohol does, as they are growing. Doing this in a calm and rational way which enables rational decisions to be made rather than emotional ones would be smarter.

            Adults making a conscious decision not to smoke around children, or keep that to a minimum, would probably be the best move. Parents who smoke may like to take note, but only if they wish to.

            With kids it really is: Monkey see, monkey do.

          • non smoker says:

            Some years ago there was an anti-smoking ad which showed two young fellows admiring a very attractive girl.

            But one said to the other: “She’s pretty, but she smokes and it is like kissing a used ashtray” or something similar. Very off-putting, but true!

            There was also something along the lines of being in a lift with a smoker whose clothes reeked of tobacco smoke. I have been in that situation and had to hold my breath until the lift stopped and I was able to get out.

          • Expat Geordie says:

            Too true Non-Smoker. I work in a large office which has an outdoor smoking area. Trouble is it is next to the staff entrance, so the smell actually manages to “contaminate” the stairwell and you can actually smell the smoking area from the second floor.

            Vaping seems to be popular these days as well, with some of the arrogant tossers actually doing it in the staff rest areas. Their argument is that it isn’t smoking, so they can do it legally indoors. It still bloody stinks though.

    • 304
      Ban them says:

      It’s 63 years since Doll and Hill published.

      How long do you want?

  23. 65
    Laugh of the day says:

    The Liberal Democrats have unveiled a series of policy ideas to boost growth – including a plan to build up to 25,000 council houses. So 20 illegal imigrants per house and we’re sorted.

    Godd old Vince – senile old fool.

  24. 75
    Dweeb says:

    But there IS evidence, Mr Burnham.

    The trend in Australia since plain packaging was enforced is to “accessorize” with a designer cigarette case. They’re all doing it. It’s a must-have.

    As usual, the bansters are blind to the laws of unintended consequences and end up encouraging the very thing they are trying to discourage.

    • 81

      Very well put, sir, whoever you are.

      • 141
        Dweeb says:

        Thank you, Cat. I am me, with Aussie friends who speak about these things.

        • 211
          ex-smoker says:

          I had a silver ciggie case when I was young. One advantage was that a flat case containing 20 cigs took up much less room in a (usually inside jacket) pocket than a bulky cardboard box – and was much more likely to attract members of the opposite sex, especially when accompanied by a gleaming, always work first time, silver, Ronson lighter.

          • Expat Geordie says:

            The old Sherman tank was known as a “Ronson” for the same reason – it used to light up first time, every time.

    • 85
      Point of Information 2 says:

      There is another opportunity there for our apparent ‘scroungers’

      Design a nice cigarette case or two.

      Not much to it really, can experiment with the cover. Sell and with proceeds, pay tax, food and rent.

      Hint – color coordinate with Rizla packets, and perhaps make dual purpose for secure storage of rolled / rolling tobacco as well as result smokes.

  25. 78
    #oldshag says:

    Ask anyone who was in the RN when “blue liners” were issued if the packaging put you off smoking.

    The answer will be a resounding no.

    Also it seems to me a good majority smoke roll ups these days and the major joice is the colour of the rizzla packet.

    • 160
      Ippikin says:

      God I’d forgotten all about them – my Dad used to smoke them as he was in the SS.
      Remember nicking one as a 12 year old.
      Much better than Maletese Flag, whose staff used to collected the dog-ends from the Valetta cinemas.

  26. 80
    Ed Dafty, LimpDim MP, Climate Change Chieftain says:
  27. 84
    #Nicotiana says:

    Fuck them. Grow your own baccy.

  28. 90
    The Shadow public health minister drinks alcoholic drinks in a state school says:
  29. 94

    Loose rail connector ‘may have caused’ France crash BBC News

    Human error not to blame for train crash Various

    So if human error not to blame for a loose rail connector, what the fuck was?

    • 107
      Point of Information 2 says:

      Smells a bit like Hatfield.

      Are they screwing with the rail unions / privatizing over there ?

      Or could this be an outright terror attack not being admitted to ? Just leaving a concrete block on one of those high speed lines would be enough to cause carnage, if you are of the right mindset. Not so difficult to loosen a few bolts.

      Curious that there do seem to be a number of major rail crashes going on. One in Quebec the other day saw the train bosses having stuff thrown at them by the locals. Still not clear how the brake was released on that goods train…

      • 113

        Certainly, I do not know.

        But my suspicion is that it is not terrorist related. Someone must have fitted that connector. Someone must have inspected it at some point. If not, why not?

        Unless, due to a poor casting, it sheared (unlikely), someone is to blame. But we are taking about the French and its long standing commitment to nationalisation. So no one will pick up the blame and nothing will be learned.

        • 116
          Point of Information 2 says:

          Poor casting it could be, but yes unlikely.

          The Railtrack fiasco did result in UK railways being turned into death-trap for a number of years here – curious to find out if any such developments are going on over there.

          (Hard to imagine with current government in, but you never know)

  30. 103
    Time for these anti smoking fascists to butt out of our lives says:

    Nothing encourages me more to reach for the fags than to get up the nose of these anti-smoking fascist money grubbing Hunts. Butt out of our lives and then smokers can decide for themselves.. Scum!

  31. 111
    Trickett is a fucking useless Stunt! says:

    Does Jon Trickett think he can make fags disappear? He can magic them away? Bullshit! Labour should stick to tricking those foolish sheeple who vote for them!

  32. 114
    A fine pair of lungs and I can prove it! says:

    The janus faced Hunts that are Noo Labour can jog on!


  33. 119
    wank wank green Cameron says:

    In the car this evening listening to the bottom line (an apt title for an Evan Davies show)

    They had the woman who says she runs the Drax power station on.

    Now converting to biomass (trendy for wood chip). Biomass is 3 times more expensive than coal so electricity bill will have to rise to pay for the Biomass.

    Biomass is far less efficient than coal so more CO2 will be produced but that does not matter as it is “eco friendly” and does not attract the Carbon tax that coal does.

    Already Britain has the highest carbon tax in the world and rising. By 2020 the UK’s carbon tax will make woodchip which at present 3 times more expensive than coal cheaper to use. So electricity bills will rise even more. When Osborne said he wasn’t raising taxes he forgot to mention the Carbon tax.

    And to rub it in the woodchip has to be shipped in from North America and before it is shipped it has to be dried and pelleted (fossil fuels require for the whole process.

    This so called green electricity it turns out produces much more CO2 than coal and cost a whole lot more too.

    Cheers Cameron….You Wanker.

  34. 121
    the nose has it says:

    A smoker’s excuse.
    [Maybe I should think about stopping but it will not be because of a lack of pretty packaging.] Anyways they are after the youthful smokers starting.
    Smoked Menthol cigarettes on and off for 40 years since qualifying. I should know better but the fault lies with my nose which works too well. It was a medical necessity. Still smoking in retirement but can now also enjoy the sweeter air and delicious countryside odours that abound outside of a city. [The ciggies taste great as well. Not better, just great]
    Smoking is a waste of money, endangers your own health and can endanger others, so I show due consideration and follow the accepted rules – smoking outside or in private. Sensible smokers also know that residual smoke can cause both their breath and clothing to stink of stale tobbaco so dental and personal hygiene including a regular change to clean clothes is paramount. I only wish a percentage of the smoking and non-smoking population understood the same.
    Some people stink. Whether it’s stale smoke or drink, body odour, feet, mouth, armpits or groin, and when I had given up smoking found I was subjected to them all. Even behind a mask, smothered in Vick’s, camphor or eucalyptus oil all unpleasant ‘scents’ got through, in between the tears.
    Don’t get me wrong. A worker in a clean overall smelling of working odours either from manual or business labour is acceptable / normal. Unfortunately for the others they do not understand that slapping a load of perfume , aftershave or deodorant on a foul body or a lack of adequate washing of sweaty clothing does not remove the cause or disguise their absence of adequate cleanliness.
    Dumb story eh but then it might make some realise that many in the medical, dental and nursing profession are human beings as well, working under unforseen disadvantages.

    • 336
      Anonymous says:

      Exactly! But you didn’t mention the lazy, unkempt, unwashed appearance of men; including so-called celebrities, who favour the designer stubble look, and the drooling appearance of women who wear lip gloss and Gothic look eye makeup.

  35. 123
    Saffron says:

    Just who gives a feck about the lying liebour/union commies and their politics,how many times do we need to be reminded of what a multicultural cesspit they have made of this land.
    Where they concerned about creating a shithole of frankly a large amount of dross which we are supposed to welcome with open arms.
    This crap liebour lot/ unionist commies have not a lot to be proud of they now do not represent the workers,but only themselves clinging onto a totally discredited dogma of communism.
    I am absolutely amazed that people in this country still vote liebour without seeing what this crap party are all about.
    Red Ed saying he will take on his union paymasters is absolute bullshit he is paid by them and he will take his orders from them.

    • 144
      Dweeb says:

      Why are you amazed, Saffron? People will always vote for the hand that feeds them.

  36. 125
    Andy Bumhum says:
    • 129
      Alan Johnson/ Andy Kill`em says:

      Oh shit.

    • 130
      Bazinga! says:

      Labour to blame once again.

      • 229
        Tony Blair says:

        Yes, that’s a about the long and the short of it. Of course, I don’t actually give a damn. I have my money and I am well guarded.

    • 132
      Jimmy says:

      The shock report is expected to find 50% of everything is below average and that righties have no concept of statistics.

      • 145
        Mad, Bad & Dangerous Gordon McRuin ( Member in absentia ) says:

        Whilst we lefties are economic and financial whizz kids !!

    • 134
      Universal Hiss says:

      Is there not a gap in the market here?

      Instead of the pretend whiplash merchants isn’t it time for an enterprising firm of lawyers to take on a class action of 50,000 cases of unlawful killing?

      • 181
        Ambulance Chaser says:

        Wait until they admit Global Warming was utter balls; I will be able to retire to the Bahamas after cleaning out every MP, the UEA, the CRU, Greenpeace International, WWF – the whole shitty bunch.

        • 209
          Jimmy says:

          An appropriate choice. No part of New Providence is more than 15 ft above sea level.

          • Aspect Ratio says:

            Then again, the Bahama Platform has been growing coral since at least the Jurassic period, and probably earlier, and has adjusted to a local sea level change of nearly 4500m, surviving a hot earth, the nearby Chicxulub meteor strike, and recently, numerous ice ages.

            So I doubt it will disappear due to ‘global warming’.

    • 149
      Point of Information 2 says:

      This was a holocaust at home.

      The health ministers were clearly competing with Bla!r for a body count.

      Dark days indeed, and no one noticed at the time ?

  37. 126
    Jimmy says:

    The one way you righties could teach us a lesson is to smoke like chimneys.

    • 133
      Universal Hiss says:

      I’m not sure I g(r)asp that.

      You want right wingers to smoke to teach lefties a lesson.

      In what? Emphysema?

      • 215
        Matilda says:

        That charming fellow wants you all to smoke yourselves to death asap thus saving on health costs and pensions.

    • 151
      The Far Right says:

      Or perhaps resurrect the fine art of Ye Olde Shot Tower…

  38. 128
    Bazinga! says:

    Thousand more deaths under Labour in the NHS since 2005, yet you can bet the BBC cuunts won’t ask bum boy Burnham or potman Pat anything difficult.

  39. 131
    A fine pair of lungs and I can prove it! says:


  40. 135
    Bazinga! says:

    Sophy Ridge on Sky rightly points out bummer Burnham has questions to answer, over at the vile BBC zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  41. 137
    Trickett's Crap Magic. says:

    Spin the fags and misdirect the foolish public away from Burnham’s death camp that was the NHS.

    • 153
      Spin Fail says:

      Lots of nurses smoke.

      They know the risks, and figure it is acceptable.

      • 156
        Nanny State says:

        It is unacceptable to be bullied by the Nanny State into anything. Democracy is a mix of good & bad. That is the way. They smoke fags not crack cocaine. The Nanny State should retire. It is all bullshit!

      • 187
        Billy Boy says:

        Lots of nurses, are obese.

  42. 139
    Trickett's Crap Magic. says:

    Look over there! Someone is ‘aving a fag and it is all Lynton Crosby’s fault. Don’t mention the NHS death camps run by Noo Labour -No Smoking Party. Burnham- You are finished! Goodbye.

  43. 142
    FaggEd Tricketts Magic Show. says:

    Crap master’s of misdirection. Andy Burnham is a FUD! He must resign.

    • 216
      Burgers are bad for you says:

      Ah! Having read that I now understand what a FUD is – a F***g Useless Dic*head.

  44. 146
    footballers are sissies says:

    How come when a footballer trips up and lands on soft turf he writhes around in agony and does the dance of the dying fly before being stretchered off only to re-ear 5 minutes later as right as rain, but a motorbike racer who bounces and skids down the tarmac at 200 mph just wants to get back on his bike even though the docs need to screw together a dozen or more broken bones and fix his vital organs first?

  45. 147
    • 297
      Steve says:

      Fcuk i was about to sign that, the murdering b@stard that is Burnham should stand trial, but as these things were happening under the coalition goverment also, mostly involving kids. think Leeds Bristol Sheffield etc and Maude’s refusal to acknowledge whistleblowers, and you will understand why nothing will be done.

      I think the victims families should set up a website, call it the 13,000 or something, donate some money and use it to sue Burnham personally. Failing that hire someone from eastern europe to have a chat with said death camp overseer.

      Murnaghan just gave him agood grilling though. I think it’s sqeaky bum time for Burham, he will probably escape prosecution, but he is not out of the woods yet.

      Crosshairs Guido?

      • 320
        Curly says:

        A bit later in the same prog, Grant Shapps stated firmly that Crosby had nothing to do with tobacco lobbying and was entirely taken up with organising the campaign for the next election.. So that’s all right then.

  46. 149
    Universal Hiss says:

    Oh look. Just what we were talking about. LibDems have yet another posturing podium to no utter effect………


    • 152
      Miss Direction. says:

      Load of crap!

      • 157
        Universal Hiss says:

        I didn’t read it all before posting the link. It’s the usual mis direction ,half-truths,no truths from The Guardian.

        Lots of the cifers are even funnier.

        Tis odd.I like this site as there are many people who make me laugh(in a good way)and interesting,thoughtful posts.Nutters too who are entertaining.I learn stuff here as well.

        Look at the majority of cifers.Nasty,chip on shoulder shouters.Utterly depressing.I learn fuck all from most of them except disgust at not being a right on metro all singing elitist communist.

  47. 154
    Miss Direction. says:

    Well the Nanny State can fuck off. I am off for a fag!

  48. 158
    Lord Ashcroft says:

    Dear Ed,

    Make Crosby the story and he can resign instead of Burnham.

    Yours trulie

    Lord Ashcroft

  49. 159
    Obergrupenfuhrer Burn'em says:

    I vill be avay for ze next two months – so I vill not be answering ze questions.

  50. 166
    Labour voting Sheeple! says:

    I will not be voting or supporting any party that curbs freedoms. First fags, then bòóze. Fuck the fuck off! The Labour Party can fuck off out of my life. The dumb sheep keep voting them. Baaaaaah!

    • 170
      Cameron wants to increase the price of booze and treat smokers like imbeciles. says:

      Err don’t forget if the Aussie had not kicked some sense into Cameron then fag packets and expensive booze would have been Dave’s next cunning plan.

  51. 167
    A pair of tits says:
  52. 169
    Universal Hiss says:


    How can that work?

    No jokes,no skirt,no lippy.

    No fucking hope.

    I promise that’s my last link of the night.

  53. 171
    NHS Death Camps says:

    How can Andy Burnham live with himself?

  54. 172
    Bazinga! says:

    When will a politician grow a fucking pair and come on the TV and tell the truth about the NHS? That’s it’s fucking shit, run by and staffed by bone fucking idle killers and lazy fucking mongs?

  55. 173
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    Limp Dems says:

    We oppose branding; we want fag packets to look as innocuous as us.

    • 175
      Labour Mong says:

      We oppose branding, except when we approve branding. It is the right thing to do for hard working British familes and the squeezed middle; it is all that bitch Thatcher’s fault.

    • 176
      Universal Hiss says:

      Sandals instead of Camels?

      It won’t work Nick.

  57. 177
    Tory Mong says:

    We oppose branding; except for all UKIP members and voters who should wear a yellow star.

  58. 179
    Joe Public says:

    What sort of cigarettes do MPs smoke? They do not seem to give bar staff, MPs or anyone else cancer.

    I know that the fags which Limp Dems smoke are each other.

  59. 184
    Snowden says:

    BBC1 movie now is ‘Enemy of the State’ (1998), with Will Smith.
    Full of Snowden stuff, and that was 15 years ago.

    • 192
      The BBC says:

      We root for the state

    • 207
      albacore says:

      In all history, this LibLabCon state
      Is the greatest menace to Britain’s fate
      Invaded by millions, ruled by Europe
      Treachery unprecedented in scope

  60. 185
    Cigarettes taste good. says:

  61. 188
    Racist! says:

  62. 190
    Noi Impunity For Death Factories says:

    Basildon and Thurrock; United Lincolnshire; Blackpool; The Dudley Group, West Midlands; George Eliot, Warwickshire; Northern Lincolnshire and Goole; Tameside, Greater Manchester; Sherwood Forest, Nottinghamshire; Colchester, Essex; Medway, Kent; Burton, Staffordshire; North Cumbria; East Lancashire; Buckinghamshire Healthcare: all had appalling death rates stretched back to 2005.

    However, from 2005 until 2009 Basildon and Thurrock hospital was given a “good” rating by NHS regulators, first the Healthcare Commission, then its successor, the Care Quality Commission.

    Hewitt, Johnson and Burnham should all be under arrest.

  63. 197
    NHS Death Camps says:

    Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign Andy Burnham must resign

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    Trickett's Misdirection Strategy Backfires On Burnham says:


    Resign Burnham.

  66. 205
    Burnham must go says:

    Andy Burnham must resign
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  67. 213
    A Smoker says:

    If I am forced to buy cigarettes with plain packaging, how will I know what I am being sold?

    • 223
      albacore says:

      Well, you’ll know you’re being sold a pup
      If it’s owt that Parliament dreamed up
      E U, migration or plain packets
      Plus all their other quacky rackets

  68. 222
    Breaking air news says:

    The Korean pilots of that Asiana jet that crashed at San Fran airport have been named as Wy So Lo, Go Tu Slo and Ho Lee Fuk.

  69. 236
    The EU says:

    Good Morning

    It’s going to be a fine day

  70. 237
    mummer says:

    in a bizzar 180 twist the public sector is now the private sector and the private sector the publc sector

  71. 246
    Mother Nature says:

    Smoking is one of my best methods for killing those stupid enough to do it. Stop interfering with evolution.

  72. 247
    Long John Silver's parrot says:

    Some bloody idiot is about to publish a report saying there have been 13,000 unnecessary deaths in the NHS.

    That is 13,000 compensation claims winging their way to us to pay.

    And no one has talked about replacing Trident yet.

    • 252
      A revolting Cypriot says:

      Never mind, someone else says the NHS should soon be short of 16,000 doctors.

      That should help improve things.

    • 262
      albacore says:

      A Trident replacement is not now required
      And the armed forces might as well all be fired
      Parliament capitulated the nation
      To E U tyranny and immigration

  73. 255
    AH! Monika says:

    Not knowing, but guessing the price of coke, I don’t think an extra £6k will last too long.


  74. 257
    Kates Mum says:

    PUSH!! PUSH!! What have I taught you every day from birth.

  75. 263
    Ah! Monika says:

    Not the brightest tool in the team. Spend a fortune on a hair transplant and then shave it off.


  76. 264
  77. 269
    nellnewman says:

    Now there’s three interesting mug shots of the guilty on this morning when it is being said 13000 more people died needlessly in the NHS during labour’s government than has previously been reported.

    Then on Thursday it is the tenth anniversary of Dr D a v i d K e l l y ‘ s death and this morning it has emerged that bliar asked lor d hut ton to chair his whitewash inquiry into D r K e l l y ‘ s death just 3 hours after his body was found and before he had been identified. The purpose being to prevent a proper coroner’s inquiry.

    The members of the last labour government, including that three up there, just have so much blood on their hands don’t they?!!

    • 276
      Tony says:

      I am now rich you are all fools and I don`t care (and never did, just had a mock sincerity mask on). Ha.

      • 277
        Gordon Clown says:

        Where is Malala? I have not seen her for at least 30 seconds and need the reflected glow.

  78. 270
    Burnham and Johnson says:

    We lie and you die.

    • 273
      Alan Johnson/ Andy Kill`em says:

      Nous regrette rien. You are all fools, imbeciles. posties..

  79. 274
    Owen Jones says:

    “I’m UKIP to my absolute core”

  80. 281
    Not Dan Hodges says:

    Tories could win clear majority at next election, Socialist tweeter and champagne quaffing friend of Len McCluskey,Owen Jones, warns Labour

  81. 283

    She don’t lie
    She don’t lie
    She don’t lie

  82. 285
    HM says:

    Some Jonathan Berk-lay wants a multi culti coronation next and muslem presenter very excited, beeb one now.

  83. 288
    Not Dan Hodges says:

    Owen Jones has turned himself into the Boris Johnson of The Peoples Assembly.

  84. 289
    Burnham disgraces himself live on the Telly says:

    Bloody Hell Burnham looses his temper.

    Starts interview with sky saying let’s take the party politics out of it.

    Then within seconds looses it and comes out with solo party piece ranting and raving that it is all the Torys’ fault.

    Tell you what, he’s a worried man, a very worried man indeed.

    • 293
      BBC Child rapist paid a fortune by you lot says:

      It’s disgusting that Sky attack a Labour politician like that. Andy will be nice and safe with us.

  85. 290

    Blair had Kelly murdered.

    No need for any allegedly in the case of clear fact.

  86. 292
    Bazinga! says:

    Radio 5 doing a nice job to cover up for bummer Burnham this morning.

  87. 300
    Bazinga! says:

    I see the BBC is also ‘disgusted’ that the US justice system came to the correct decision to find Mr Zimmerman innocent.

    Radio 5 are in uproar as usual

  88. 302
    olden1936 says:

    We all hear a lot of governmental talk about the dangers of smoking but so far their anti-smoking campaign efforts have been limited to a free cardboard folder containing leaflets warnng of the dangers to health and listing the available anti-smoking aids, and from most pharmacies a ten week course with a supply of patches etc. What would be more helpful and effective for longer term smokers would be anti-smoking aids (nicotine patches, inhalators, electric cigarettes, and nicotine chewing gum etc) to always be heavily subsidized to cost smokers far less than the current price of tobacco products. At present, apart from the danger to health aspect there’s little or no incentive price-wise for smokers to choose between smoking or not smoking. The tax-payers could provide the subsidy, taken from the heavy taxes charged to smokers over the many years for tobacco products.

  89. 305
    Bazinga! says:

    They pay cheque from Labour to the BBC will be in the post after Radio 5′s presentation of the latest NHS scandal making out Burnham is the innocent party.

  90. 306
    David says:

    Plain packaging is yet another imposition from the EU.
    Don’t expect that to be mentioned in the “debate” in Parliament.

  91. 313

    Cough…cough….cough…I do need a…coughhhhhh!

    • 321
      School rhyme says:

      It wasn’t the cough that carried him off
      It was the coffin they carried him off in.

    • 323
      Al Megrahi,s Dr says:

      I prescribe 60 a day. Very good herbal remedy!
      Trust me….I am a Doctor. Just ask Mr Brown!

  92. 316
    Stolen innocence 2012 of United Wheeldom says:

    Reblogged this on stoleninnocence2012's Blog.

  93. 324
    colin joyce says:

    Labour claims that the NHS is safe in their hands.

    However, Andy Burnham says that failures were not his fault the problem was in the hands of the CQC.

    So how much of the NHS will Labour have in it’s hands ?

  94. 332
    Berknee Ekkelstone says:

    Labour sold their souls to me within 6 months of gaining office in 1997.


  95. 335
    Civil Servant says:

    Politicians Change Their Minds Shock

  96. 337
    Larry The Downing Street Cat says:

    “Labour are trying to make a big issue” And so are BBC….. and the rest of the puritanical left wing mafia.

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Rod Liddle on the loony UN sexism special rapporteur:

“There is more sexism in Britain than in any other country in the world, according to a mad woman who has been sent here by the United Nations.

Rashida Manjoo is a part-time professor of law at Cape Town University in the totally non-sexist country of South Africa (otherwise known as Rape Capital Of The World).

Mrs Magoo has been wandering around with her notebook and is appalled by the sexist “boys’ club” culture here, apparently.

I don’t doubt we still have sexism in the UK. But is it worse than in, say, Saudi Arabia, d’you think, honey-lamb? Or about 175 other countries? Get a grip, you doolally old bat.”

orkneylad says:

What’s he been doing FFS, mining bitcoins?

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