July 13th, 2013

Are MPs Worth Three Times What They Were?


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  1. 1
    Bluto says:

    It’s not just MPs but quangocrats and fake charity fat cats too. Their salaries are rising on the back of our taxes as we are pushed further down. We are headed for a full-blown apparatchik controlled, single party (effectively) socialist state.

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      The EU is croques (de merde) monsieur says:

      In the mid 70s MPs had far more responsibility for passing legislation,etc. Now most of that is done by our masters in Belgium. So they should be taking a cut in wages, gold-plated pensions and fiddled expenses.

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        V1le Labour trashed my Country says:

        They get this triple salary increase because they’re worth it, NOT. These sponging parasites along with most senior public sector skivers should have their salaries cut by at least 30% and frozen for 10 years. I’m feeling hugely enriched and adoring my super diverse multicultural eu dominated corrupt UK shithole of a Country and eagerly await another 10 million sponging immigrants.

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          T'oracle says:

          If one looks at the broadcasts from the House of Commons one could ask why we should not insist they clock in and pay them by the hour. Or better still take them to court for obtaining money by false pretences.

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          • Bloke says:

            Because, to a man, they are all highly talented, educated, intelligent top-level people who could all earn, oh, triple what they get in Westminster if they ‘went into industry’.

            Troughing doing feck all in ‘Parliament’ is just a lot easier, that’s all.

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          • The Grim Reaper says:

            Since the UK is now under the yoke of Brussels, our Members of Parliament are little more than local government bureaucrats. Their role is simply to endorse decisions made in Brussels, tinker around the edges and posture over marginal issues. If any power is exerted it’s simply theatrics – as we witnessed over Quatada. Bored and aimless, they frolic & fiddle, booze and gorge their appetites in the London Village. They mouth party political platitudes & every so often stir up some vestige of class hatred whilst dining together and sharing the same sense of past glories.

            They receive huge rewards to compensate for their ennui & lack of importance. They vote this for themselves, confident that no one else would.

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          • Charlie Farley says:

            The Coke story about the HoC in today’s papers confirms your viewpoint Grim

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          • It's the Real Thing says:

            Snouts in the trough Guido?

            More like snouts in the white stuff, doncha know?

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      • 159
        Smiffy says:

        Hope the people responsible for the French train crash are not the same ones bidding to build our nuclear reactors.

        Oh! Nous sommes desole as they say in Peckham!

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        Miss Havisham says:

        I agree 100%. They have paid themselves more for doing less. Why? Because the arrogant twerps think they are worth it.

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    • 28
      T'oracle says:

      I think we are heading for even worse.
      Long term we are heading for islamisation. It is creeping in very, very slowly day by day. More and more muslems are gaining positions of power and influence in all levels of government, quango and commerce.
      Those in power are to busy with feathering their own nests and working their own scams to see, with any clarity, what is going on.

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        Bern A Qoranaday says:

        You know the answer.

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      • 103
        Fatal Flaw says:

        That’s the unmentionable truth.

        The Mvslims (mainly Pakistanis) are outbreeding the pre-1960 UK ethnic population.

        It is irreversible and it’s simply a matter of time before the UK is an Islamic state.

        This seems to have been engineered rather than happening by accident.

        The question is why?

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        • 144

          What a loaf of nonsense. Did you fail GCSE maths?

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        • 185
          Dee Lusional says:

          Well it’s your fault for not breeding enough.

          Any nation that lets its reproductive rate fall below replacement level e.g. Swedes, Italians etc – are just …. disappearing

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        • 193
          Anonymous says:

          Meanwhile it’s the chosen Landers who actually do the stringpulling. Their string is attached directly to your wallet and to your computer. On Geedough it also attaches to his Willy.

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    • 118
      Sir William Waad says:

      The graph does not show MPs as receiving triple average wages. It looks as though they receive £66,000 and we receive £29,000 – approximately 2 and a quarter times as much; nowhere near three times as much.

      Guido does this with graphs, alas. I wonder whether he was a climate scientist at one time.

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      • 177
        Anonymous says:

        So more than twice as much but not thrice as much.

        What degree of accuracy should Guido use?

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        • 178
          Anonymous says:

          Following on from above (177)…. of the two lines plotted in the above graph, the gradient of the red line appears steeper between each of the points.

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      • 184
        Anonymous says:

        It still remains the situation that the majority of mp’s appear to have considerably increased their wealth during the time between first elected & eventually leaving the HoC.
        Not a statement that can be applied to the majority of the plebs that provide the tax money from which the mp’s draw their wages,expenses & allowances.

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    • 187
      what? says:

      Bluto you are wrong in one thing – this is not socialism but fascism

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      • 197
        Bluto says:

        There is not much difference between the two, if any. One of the great deceits practiced by zealous socialists is to pretend they are vehemently opposed to fascism whereas in fact they are its greatest practitioners. Marcuse and the fact that so many modern British socialists deploy his approach tells you all you need to know.

        Their criteria is “We are morally superior” therefore anything they do to further what they believe is right, regardless of the miserable consequences, is justified – by any means. There is not much room, if any, in their political tool box for dissent, hence the deployment of faux outrage when any public figure utters a personal view contrary to their orthodoxy. The thin edge of their criminalising wedge began in 1997 and will continue until it is not just hate crime and speech crime but thought crime too. We already have the situation where public figures, even on the right, are required to demonstrate their craven surrender to socialist cant. Redwood did it on QT in respect of immigration and it was nauseous to watch.

        And the growth of the unelected left wing quangocracy and fake charity industry has cemented their power, helped along by Common Purpose which has facilitated their networking and self-perpetuation.

        Pluralism in politics? Don’t make me laugh. They are already busy de-legitimising UKIP. Diversity? A joke.

        They are fascists alright and of the very worst kind.

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    • 200
      Jim says:

      The whole lot of ‘em put together a’int worth two bob.

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  2. 2
    Maurice Minor says:

    Because they are all a bunch of self serving parasitical bastards… Simples.

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      Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:

      Nonsense, I am worth every penny of this pay rise, even though I have not spent one day in Parliament so far this year, and am completely uneducated, cannot spell nor put a grammatical sentence together. In my whole 45 years in politics, without having ever had a proper job during this time, I can’t remember one thing I have done for a constituent unless there was something in it for me. I have however done a lot of shagging at taxpayer’s expense, and fully intend to continue doing so for as long as I can, that is why I need the pay rise. Boaz.

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    Why does l’Oreal hair colour cost 3 times what Shictczobalsy hair colour does?

    Now excuse me but I have to pack up the HOC office as a rather arduous stint in the constituency beckons.
    A few scout huts to inspect. A supermarket to open. Couple of fetes to show to. Local cricket team wants a boost. Got 5 surgeries planned.

    That could be as much as a week of my 12 weeks hols used up.

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    • 33

      Why is the grey range of l’Oreal hair colour so much more expensive than others? Is it because it is bought by our public servants in order to give the impression of wisdom and depth, as well as to act as a foil to the expensively sanguine shades of facial complexion which they tend to disport?

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      • 157
        The hoboiest hobo says:

        Cicero said something about silver haired statesman being marginalised by the ‘new men of Rome’
        He meant the impetuous young had arrived and weren’t going to wait for dead men’s s sandals .

        Can’t remember the quote. But then Cicero rarely ever shut up. Until Clodia? Fulvia?
        Had his tongue nailed to the senate door.
        Something that should be applied to Diane Abbott’s tweeting thumbs one day.

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    • 35
      Old Blind Pugh says:

      And what are you going to do Bill, with your increase in pay, give it back or salt away in some off shore bolt hole?

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      • 160

        Some into offshore. But most stays in UK. I find it best to ask my labour colleagues where they stash theirs.

        Wherever it is the socialist wealth tax rises are unlikely to fall there.

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  4. 4
    news just in says:

    because the populace is thick ?

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    Bazinga! says:

    Have you got a graph showing the earnings of BBC scum by chance? The point is EVERY SINGLE CUUNT in the public sector is a self serving overpaid fucker.

    They all give each other huge salaries and massive pay offs. What was a total joke was cuunt Paxman on a million a year sneering at the BBC for massive pay offs. I bet if Paxo got the boot he’d have his money grabbing had out for his pay off.

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      The EU is croques (de merde) monsieur says:

      As there has been a train crash caused by the French state-run railways does this mean it should be privatised given the argument, that when there was a crash in the UK run by Railtrack, it was considered good enough reason to renationalise it?

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      Old Blind Pugh says:

      In all walks of life be they politicians, senior directors and CEO’s, higher management all consider themselves above the ordinary folk, even when they make a complete louse of it (thinking of a company that was worth at one time £40Billion the value was reduced to £400Million eventually nothing).

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      • 179
        Anonymous says:

        If it is a private company, they can do what they like. That is freedom.

        If the value of a company is important, then they had shareholders. They are as much to blame.

        But having known some CEOs, they do actually care. Mostly because it is their money as well.

        Yet Public servants are immune from their failures and the unwritten laws of never naming them is used to make sure they are safe. A Judge is on record for saying that the mistake was to name the public servants during a court case. It is just not done. Hence the recent report with no names.

        The same person in a Private company has his full contact details available online for a small fee. His address even. Try getting the address of the corrupt public official. You will probably end up in a cell.

        A Public servant always has a Trustee, Elected member, Minister to hide behind. They do not actually make decisions they make opinions and recommendations under delegated powers. But always some other person is responsible and most difficult decisions are explicitly voted through by others.

        Never compare them. Public sector top management is just people management. They have no real responsibility.

        (PS the lower level workers are a different matter. Imagine a job where you have no choice about dealing with certain customers. No freedom to trade. No ability to have a marketing department sell the value of your service. It is demoralising working in a situation that is always doomed to random change by each elected group)

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    Anonymous says:

    to be fair they should probably get a decent wage so that they don’t all have to be ‘independently wealthy’ like Gideon and Davey C. But pocketing an extra 8K whilst telling disabled children to take another benefit cut because there is ‘no money’ just makes you look like a Hunt

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    Who knows! says:

    Historically, being an MP was supposed to be a part-time job (so as to avoid attracting career politicians). They were not supposed to get a full-time professional wage, but got themselves very generous expenses instead (as we know).

    It depends whether you want a full-time MP being paid a suitable amount to make it worth their while, or part-time MPs (many would argue that is most of them) paid less.

    If they are being paid more, expenses should to be curtailed.
    Pro-rating their pay to attendance levels and time spent on parliamentary duties would be the easiest solution. It will never happen of course.

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  8. 9
    Juan Coeur says:

    Have you got a graph for tube train drivers?

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    Dracula says:

    they should be paid in the blood of their constituents

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  10. 14
    Owen Jones,just another champagne socialist says:

    Fancy another bottle of Bollinger,Guido ?

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  11. 15
    George Washington Plunkitt says:

    The alternative would be, instead of paying them more, you’d have given ‘em a free hand to make as much as they can based on the inside information they glean from their job. “Honest corruption,” if you will.

    There’s honest corruption, which is voting for something good that you’d vote for anyway, but you figure out a way to make a few bucks on the deal– and then there’s dishonest corruption, selling your vote to the “interests” and getting legislation passed which doesn’t help anybody but the one doing the paying, and you. I’ve always practiced the first, and steered away from the second. I may have been a crook, but I always avoided being in anyone’s pocket.

    You sees your opportunities, and you seize ‘em.

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    Taxfodder says:

    Some (mostly the recipients) argue they need to be paid the going rate but then again what is the going rate for incompetence stupidity and negligence?

    The stark truth is the political establishment have mismanaged, squandered and plundered the coffers of the UK in the name of the people since I can remember, over the last 70 years and counting.

    Their track record is so appalling that in so many situations the country would have been better off without them especially as it was their incompetence that so often caused crisis in the first place, followed by subsequent gutless finger pointing at others while continuing to bungle and fudge the issues themselves.

    Utterly worthless would hardly cover it.

    If payment on results were applied the the taxpayer should receive a substantial rebate from all Political Party Members their incompetent MP’s and assorted hapless hangers on in the Trillions.

    Rather than a pay increase I would like to see them invoiced for losses and negligence incurred by the taxpayer and/or imprisonment for a very long time.

    I would not rule out corporal punishment for many….

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      DWP says:

      Thank you for coming to this DWP employer interview. We can indeed help you with setting the ‘going rate’ for an MP. It is, like other jobs, the minimum that needs to be paid to find employees with the right skills. Now let us see what does this mean?

      1. Qualifications – NONE
      2. Experience – NONE
      3. Honest – NOT NECESSARY
      4. Career to date – NOT NECESSARY
      5. Education – NOT NECESSARY
      6. Speak endlessly about things you don’t understand – ESSENTIAL
      7. Prepared to Travel (often unneccessarily) – USEFUL
      8. Vote with conscience rather than party line – NO
      9. Have a conscience – NOT NECESSARY
      10. Good Judgement – REAL HANDICAP
      11. Continuous career development – NOT NECESSARY

      Now, given all you have told us about the job of ‘MP’, I can advise that minimum wage would be most appropriate.

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    Greedy Barstewards says:

    IPSA claim that the MP’s need the higher salary as otherwise ordinary people without vast bank balances wouldn’t take the risk of being an MP.

    perleese! For the vast majority of people, an MP’s salary + expenses + fiddlable office expenses / staffing etc represents a MULTIPLE of their existing income. The ones who are moaning are either career politicians who just want to milk the taxpayer having never done a useful job in their life and spend their time brown-nosing to one and all or they are failed / end of career lawyers, accountants, solicitors, teachers, union types etc.

    Clearly, if the present salary is not sufficient to attract ‘talent’ as the BBC would say, then if there is an increase, the present ‘talent free’ lot of useless jobsworths should all face deselection at the end of this parliament and lose the party ticket which means many get elected into safe seats regardless of what they do.

    Reducing the MP headcount to 200, eliminating IPSA and making MP’s follow the normal Inland Revenue rules everyone else has to regardless of whether they work away from home or in work in two places. They could also be introduced to voting via a web-based system and speaking via videoconferencing and modern technology eliminating the need for them to be in the House of Commons at all. Before anyone gets upset that we would lose the services of great orators, the problem with great orators, like great barristers is that wonderful presentation of a bad argument can cause a better badly presented argument to be overlooked!

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    William says:

    Another issue is the way we compare wage increases, doing it as a percentage discriminates against the lower paid/poor.

    Inflation linked wage increases should be linked to the living wage, so police, MP’s, teachers, etc.. all get the same Inflation linked component that protects the part of the salary need to provide a basic living.

    I would be very happy to see all the MP’s asking for a pay rise just resign – often to me they are not the nicer MP’s.

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  15. 19
    Tapeworm says:

    Thank god for MP’s!
    They’ve enabled us to get off the bottom rung of the most villified!

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  16. 21

    There must be such a huge shortage of people who want to be an MP that the remuneration should go up so.

    It’s supply and demand. See?

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  17. 22
    Lord Scalded Bollock says:

    Dan Hodges says Owen Jones’s tweets are shameful.

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    William says:

    Often MP’s are compared to doctors, maybe they should be paid in line with doctors a basic MP should get £53,000 going up to £81,000 for minister.

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    • 42
      Equal Pay Board says:

      The problem with the doctor analogy is that MP’s need no qualifications, no training, no professional development, no GCSE’s, no A Levels, no degrees – I see absolutely no reason to compare MP’s to Doctors or indeed any other trained and qualified groups. One only needs to listen to the likes of the incoherent ‘mouth of the humber’ to appreciate what a lot of useless t*ssers they are.

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      • 62
        Fat C**t Prezza says:

        Aye, int it grand – from ferry pint puller to t’ouse o’ lords in just a few decades, and I never had to do an honest day’s work to get there.

        Fookin excellent.

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    • 67
      Old Blind Pugh says:

      Can imagine you putting your health in the hands of this lot, nay lad try again, set their pay to the level of the local job centre manager

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  19. 26
    David Cameron says:

    I am the crisis that will leave you homeless,
    The heart attack you have through stress,
    The reason the hospital you need is closed,
    The prescription you cannot afford,
    The food shopping you cannot buy,
    The reason you feel ashamed to be disabled,
    The reason you no longer have a job,
    I am the reason you are called a scrounger,
    I am David Cameron,
    This is the Tory Party,
    We are your crisis,
    And we don’t care who or what you are

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    • 39
      Ed Nick Cleggiband says:

      Oi ! Give us our policy back !

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    • 44
      Labour says:

      We are the ones who cut taxes for the rich so that cleaners paid more in tax than their banker bosses

      The ones who introduced PFI contracts into the NHS which has left hospitals in debt to the tune of billions

      The ones who knighted Fred Goodwin for services to banking

      The ones who led the country into an illegal war that’s killed an estimated million people

      The ones who covered up the deaths of 1200 patients at Stafford because we didn’t want to be publicly criticised and embarrassed

      The ones who attempted to smear the spouses of Tory politicians with the collusion of our leader’s personal adviser

      The ones who under-equipped British troops, leading directly to needless deaths

      The ones who called September 11 a good day to bury bad news

      The ones who increased pensions by 10p

      The ones who gave peerages in return for donations

      The ones who put hanging baskets, dry rot repair, pay-per-view porn films and chocolates on expenses

      The ones who detained a Holocaust survivor under the Prevention of Terrorism Act for heckling Jack Straw.

      We are Labour. And if you criticise us, we’ll smear you to death. Just ask Dr Kèlly and Mo Mowlam.

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    • 66
      Tories, Labour and Illiberal Undemocrats says:

      We’ve been thriving on the tribal stupidity of people like you and #44 below for years.

      The more you allow us to divide and rule you through your stupidity, the more we laugh at each and every one of you insignificant little proles.

      Please, do keep believing that your own mob, whoever they may be are flawed but better than the other lot – we love your votes.

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  20. 27
    Margaret Beckett says:

    I put hanging baskets on expenses. Because I’m worth it.

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      Pierrepoint says:

      Which basket should be hung?

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    • 51
      nellnewman says:

      According to your expenses one year you put up 60 hanging baskets for which you claimed, I believe at £12 a apiece, and then claimed for the cost of the gardener to come in and water them every day during the season from May to October.

      Expenses are supposed to be for things that help you do your job efficiently.

      How do 60 hanging baskets work into that scenario?

      ++++Shakes head in despair++++

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  21. 29
    Tony Blair says:

    Hi girls! No one will ever find out the expenses Cherie and I claimed.

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  22. 30
    Richard Timney says:

    I’m off to the pictures to watch Pacific Rimjob.

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  23. 31
    Douglas Hogg says:

    I’m moativated.

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    Great Granddad says:

    Even at my great age, if I could manage to get myself elected to Parliament I think that I could manage to put in the odd half hour and do the whips’ bidding at the ballot box. I could then make my way home to my constituency and hold an occasional ‘surgery’. If any local party chairman (any party) is looking for lobby fodder that can be relied upon not to rebel, then they should look no further than me. Of course I should prefer that any request comes from what is at least hopefully looked upon as a good safe seat, and, since I am going to have all of that lovely lolly to spend, I would prefer a district that is well endowed with nice young ladies. Any takers?

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  25. 36
    Anonymous says:

    What can we do about it?

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    • 40
      Great Granddad says:

      Vote for an independent who has never stood before. He may be a scrounger and a cheat but at least you may not know that the day that you vote.

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    • 183
      Anonymous says:

      Vote for the most democratically disruptive choice. Thus obtain the most control.

      We need to teach them a lesson. Vote for disruption. (The next best choice after the three main parties. The person must be a real local. i.e one who has local family and connections)

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  26. 41

    It is my view that we should only be represented by those who are prepared to deliver the calling for nothing. It is exactly because politics is looked upon as a career option instead that we have had such a plethora of expenses fraud concomitant with a lowering of legislative standards. Those who find themselves elected now think they have won the jackpot and, looking at recent experience, it is not that challenging to understand why.

    If we went back solely to the House of Lords, as it used to be constituted a generation ago, they would run things more efficiently and with less overhead than any of the recent governments have.

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    • 48
      nellnewman says:

      Exactly SC!!

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      • 80
        fancy that says:

        I’ve always thought that too. I’ve suggested in the past that the country should be run by CoE clergy but thinking about it I’m not sure now that would be a good idea.

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        • 85

          The problem with CoE clergy is that they are dogmatically led, at least some of them actually believe in God… not the last Archbishop, of course.

          The good thing about the HoL, as it used to be, is that almost none of them needed the money. Therefore their deliberations were made in the light of what was in the best good.

          It has been fashionable to deride them as being out of touch. In law making, you want gradual change. What you most certainly do not want is the Gunfight at the OK Corral.

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          • Fatal Flaw says:

            I think you’ll find that most of the HOL’s deliberations at the time were in light of what was best for the landed gentry and the aristocracy.

            Whilst I broadly support your view, if it is taken to it’s logical conclusion then only the very wealthy will have a say. That’s not what you intended, surely?

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          • There are no absolutes in life (acknowledge that I have just attempted to make one) but I suggest that the wealthy will often consider the poor more than the poor will consider the wealthy. Those who have had the best educations will at least have been taught something of ethics. Some may even remember what they have been taught. As for the state educational establishments, …

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          • Fatal Flaw says:

            I have known two very wealthy individuals (small sample I admit) and I’m afraid I don’t agree with your proposition. Perhaps there was a time when the elite cared more for the common man (perhaps by serving in the forces with them in two world wars) but I get the distinct impression that today’s elite couldn’t give a flying fuck for the poor except when they are resources to be exploited.

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          • We are not talking about the wealthy so much as the ennobled. I am not making a case that it is foolproof, far from it. But that on balance they would have done better than the current paid lot. I have come into contact with a great many people who either were in the House of Lords or would have been had the rules not been changed. 100+. So my sample is somewhat larger than yours but still, I admit, anecdotal.

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          • nellnewman says:

            The HoL these days is stacked to the hilt with uddins, sugars, foulkes, martins and other horror troughing stories fom the labour camp.

            Landed Gentry retired to the country to efficiently run their businesses and farms years ago.

            That’s probably part of the reason that government is now in the mess that it is!

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          • Quite right, nell, and you know I am not talking about these worthless characters.

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          • Fatal Flaw says:

            “100+”

            Good grief. You’re not the toilet attendant in the HOL are you?

            Sorry, I digress.

            Whether the ‘toffs’ would do a better job is debatable. Maybe they would. Trouble is, the public wouldn’t wear it. This is a supposed democracy after-all and what you are proposing is more or less an oligarchy.

            Don’t remember too many oligarchys working out well for the common man.

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          • I was not even making a statement that we should go back to those days. It was a comparison between one category of person at one time with another category of person at another time. That we will never be able to achieve that does not invalidate my view.

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          • Fatal Flaw says:

            Yes. Fair point and fairly argued.

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          • 186624 ^9 says:

            Oh yeah …

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          • Whatever the considerable demerits of the Tsarist autocracy, what followed was even worse. Be careful what you would wish for.

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  27. 45
    nellnewman says:

    The answer to that one Guido is no! No! and NO!!

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    • 47
      nellnewman says:

      Oh and let’s not forget they weren’t paid at at all until about 1910/1920. If they didn’t have a useful business or job out in the real world to support then they weren’t regarded as of any use to parliament.

      We need to get back to those days.

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  28. 46
    nellnewman says:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/10176199/Why-does-the-impartial-BBC-not-tell-the-story-of-the-great-majority.html

    so the beeb is run by progressive liberalists.

    What the devil are they when they’re at home?!

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    • 50
      Idon'tneednodoctor says:

      The BBC is pseudo progressive liberalists. Those at the top in the BBC hierarchy must be in the country’s top 10% earners. At home they live the life of a tory toff, but at the BBC they pretend to be liberal. The BBC hierarchy care nothing for the license fee payer.
      Patten et al lie with impunity.

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    • 68
      Alex says:

      But they’re neither progressive or liberal. Yet more semantics from ghastly snobs who think they know what’s best for us, and think that hijacking the odd turn of phrases fools everyone. Such a shame it does fool many.

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      • 121
        Fatal Flaw says:

        The majority of the population neither knows nor cares that the BBC is a leftwing mouthpiece.

        Today’s generation mostly lacks the ability to think in a critical fashion. They are simply unaware and unconcerned that they are being lied to and propagandized. They just want their shiny baubles and ‘prole feed’ media.

        Critical thinking and political awareness has been relentlessly bred out of the UK population since the late 1960s.

        Most people of my kids’ generation consider you something of an oddball if you actually care about politics or the future of the country.

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        • 125
          nellnewman says:

          That’s probably because the majority of the population never watch it!

          Which makes the debate over the license fee very important. Why are we being forced by law to pay a fee for a service the majority of the population no longer want?

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          • Fatal Flaw says:

            I think a lot of people still do watch it and listen to the radio output.

            You are correct however, the license fee is indefensible (especially as more and more horror stories emerge about how the BBC urinates the money up the wall).

            The thing is Nell, no political party has the guts to take on the BBC. They are all too afraid of its power and influence.

            If the Conservatives announced tomorrow that they would scrap the telly tax, can you imagine the shit storm of lies and smears the BBC would create.

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          • Biased Broadcasting Corporation says:

            Yes, but it was very encouraging to see the Public Accounts Committee on the Parliament Channel last night laying into Patten, Hall, Fry and other smug BBC executives. MP’s actually doing a great job of calling these arrogant troughers and squanderers of taxpayers’ money to account. Let’s hope the Committee goes all the way and the rotten BBC culture of secrecy and cronyism is blown wide open once and for all.

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          • Hovis Boy says:

            Sounds a bit like the pot calling the kettle if you ask me.

            Still, I think the fightback has begun in some small way.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Fatal: They can not afford to stop the “telly tax”. Just think, after it was scrapped, who would the public blame? At present we have the choice. It is our duty to stop paying for the services.

            Biased: To lay into some one in a committee is the same as a Chiwawa taking a stand against a Rottweiler. All show and nothing will happen. But it obviously pleased you and made you feel secure in their hands. Job done.

            Hovis: Your optimism is is like a uncooked loaf of bread. One small knock and you will see it fall like a deflated balloon. Let me predict we will have another problem with the BBC. Again there will be words said. It will give a further boost to your idea of their effectiveness each time. Yet it will never stop.

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          • Biased Broadcasting Corporation says:

            Anon: The Committee have already caused the profligacy of the BBC to become headline news in all the papers last week. That is a start – making sure that what has been going on is brought to the attention of the general public (the people who are forced to subsidise this rotten, corrupt institution, which is apparently swilling with licence-payers’ cash.) It will be very interesting to hear the evidence of Mark Thompson – we will see who has been telling the truth about who authorised what.

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        • 195
          Rip van Wrinkle says:

          Just finished reading 1984. We’re around the end of part II. Room 101 is in the process of being constructed.

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    • 107
      BBC Mong says:

      Our News broadcasters like cheap Japanese watches

      Like

    • 112
      BBC Mong says:

      We do not believe in stereotypes, so in BBC La-La land:
      – homos are not simpering puffs caught sucking cocks or bumming each other in the public convenience, but intelligent members of the community that everyone relies on; doctors, nurses, etc, etc.
      – black people are always innocent, never deal drugs, never steal, always set up by the cops and are intelligent members of the community that everyone relies on.
      – ditto asians; doctors, nurses, etc, etc.
      – all white people are complete nutters who hate gays and blacks, are totally stupid and must be lampooned at every opportunity.
      – Labour voters are nutters who hate gays and blacks, are totally stupid but are exempt from lampooning.
      – Christians are murders who run around cutting the heads off blacks, Asians and homos.
      – Nick Griffin shared a platform with Margaret Thatcher and Adolf Hitler and the BBC must take every opportunity to promote this.
      – The IRA are friendly bunch of Guinness swigging jokers.
      – The Police & Army are nazi bastards
      – 1% of people think that the BBC Poll Tax offers good value while the other 99% are fucking mad.

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  29. 49
    Gordon Brown says:

    Cock

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    • 146
      Fatal Flaw says:

      I think you should have saved that pearl of wisdom for your forthcoming HoC appearance.

      Like

  30. 52
    David Cameron says:

    May I wish the shower of shit masquerading as the England cricket team,the very best of luck.

    Seriously,they are a bunch of losers and can forget any hope of being awarded the MBE.

    Bloody useless.

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  31. 53
    Alex says:

    Why?

    Because the public allow it – for all the gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands, nothing really gets done. This is just the latest in a long line of incidents involving politicians seeing just how far they can push us.

    If I were of a more conspiratorial mindset, I’d argue that they repeatedly push the boundaries to test the water for dishing out far more disturbing treatment in a decade or two’s time.

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  32. 54
    Idon'tneednodoctor says:

    Eee mee name is John Mann and I don’t need any money for being MP. I can live on nowt, that’s why I tek us 65k and give nowt to charity. Just call me a smug loud mouthed hypocrite just like mee mate Denis Skinner. I canna stand them tories that set up a business, wok hard and mek moneh, tax em, tax em big.

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  33. 55
    Expat Geordie says:

    It’s quiet on here today. It must be the weather.

    All together now…

    We have joy,
    We have fun,
    We have Guido in the Sun…

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  34. 56
    Anonymous says:

    This idea that MPs have to be paid well in order to attract talent is completely ludicrous, and results in the of self-serving, career driven politicians that plague Westminster today.

    They are there to serve, and serve well. If MPs can not function on £70000 expenses then quite frankly they are blithering, drooling parasites. I’d wager they could get by on £20000

    Ian Duncan smith boasted he could live on £53 a week, and yet apparently MPs need a pay rise. Ridiculous

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  35. 63
    fancy that says:

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200802/the-returning-soldier-effect-i-why-are-more-boys-born-duri

    ” A comparison of the physical characteristics of the British soldiers who survived or died in World War I shows that surviving soldiers are on average nearly one inch taller than fallen soldiers. The average height of the surviving soldiers is 66.4 inches, while that of the fallen soldiers is 65.5 inches. Even in the small sample that is examined, this one-inch difference is highly statistically significant.”

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    • 69
      Stephanie Flanders says:

      The average Dick size in the labour party is 5’9” without shoes on.

      Like

      • 72
        fancy that says:

        I read this and I wondered if tall people tend to run away more or what percentage of short people managed to avoid war altogether.

        Like

    • 71
      Uaen Blair says:

      I survived both the Iraq and Afghanistan war by being packed off to the USA to study my belly fluff at college.

      Like

    • 129
      Tall, strong soldier to little, puny soldier says:

      Oi! You first, Tich!

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  36. 64
    A Sardine says:

    There is no justification for this unless one is going to engage in an honest and fair discussion on what inflation is really doing these days.

    The quality of mp’s today is inferior compared to the 70s : the real decisions are not being made here either.

    We are broadly paying for a bunch of jumped up PR mongs who cannot make it in the commercial sector, and a healthy number of outright crooks who should be behind bars.

    The populace should itself say: Let them eat cake – but ensure that it is sharpening the cake slicer and preparing the rope for what is coming next.

    Dodd got a flavor the other day.

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  37. 65
    Diana Fatbot says:

    Don’t worry about the quality feel the width.

    Like

  38. 73
    Mad, Bad & Dangerous Gordon McRuin ( Member in absentia ) says:

    I’m worth my weight in Gold.

    Like

    • 97
      Point of Information 2 says:

      And you sold the equivalent of a few hundred Golden Diane Abbots, and in your defense got a good price. A good price for a Diane Abbot, however, not for the Gold.

      Like

  39. 75
    Fred the Shed says:

    It’s just like bankstering, if you want the very best MPs, you must pay obscenely huge salaries with gold-plated pensions but have zero accountability for piss poor performance.

    Like

  40. 78
    kasou says:

    Cos they got caught fiddling expenses.. now they want to compensate for that

    Like

  41. 83
    Owen Jones says:

    Immigration backlog? What backlog? Just tick the box that says ‘Denied’ and ‘apply to all’, press enter. Done.

    Like

    • 87
      Anonymous says:

      Then ship the black/brown asian muzzies out.
      Whites can be reassesed.
      Then shipped out.

      Like

  42. 86
    Anonymous says:

    What’s ironic is that the loudest complainers are BBC staff – and how much are THEY on?

    Old Dude

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  43. 88
    Jimmy The Weed says:

    Are they proposing efficiency savings?

    Do we really need 650 of them? And 900 lords ffs?

    Then there’s the Welsh Assembly, the Scotch Parliament, whatever they have in bigotland, plus local government. Plus the world’s biggest quango, the EU.

    Just how many representatives do we need?

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  44. 89
    Skellan says:

    Wages on a national level are fairly level over time. With globalisation a few key workers have seen their wages rise to global levels. Doctors (just because of the NHS). Airline Pilots. Actors. Politicians (its just a job). Gas engineers.

    Joe average is competing against Jun Akasai these days. His wages have fallen. Fuck him. He needs to learn to compete and not just do what his dad did in the town he grew up in. Labour are for losers.

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    • 104
      Point of Information 2 says:

      Things the plebs should learn to do in order to compete rather than whinge about ‘no benefits':

      i) Learn how to solder a socket onto a wire. (Should take 1 day to become master)
      ii) Learn how to over mold : Watch some uTube, read a short book. Understand: Melted plastic inject into steel mold holding piece at pressure (use air) and monitor temperature. Will take practice.
      iii) Figure out how to design mold and mill from steel.

      Once done – source in components and start manufacturing stuff like HDMI / USB cables locally and sell for cost with 40% markup.

      Total capital investment for machinery / skills developing, if done cheap – sub GBP 15k : For which you may be able to get a government grant.

      You could do this in a council flat type environment – rather than running a grow op – with a hand operated injector.

      If plebs can get smart with mold making and soldering, they could move on to those fancy USB hubs in the shape of a dog etc. Or, actually design and manufacture something useful which people will pay them for.

      I think the above is part of how manufacturing economy should work.

      Just Sayin’

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      • 168
        Hovis Boy says:

        Are you fucking nuts?

        Who manually solders high-density connectors onto multicore cables?

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      • 172
        Anonymous says:

        You forgot some elements:
        1. The emissions system needed
        2. The planning permission for the above
        3. The cut for the licensing of the HDMI USB logos
        4. The storefront charges for the online sales channel.
        5. The data protection registration for customer details
        6. The trading company and PAYE registration

        Fail any one of those hurdles, and others, and the legitimate supplier will make sure you never get any chance to trade again. They have lawyers.

        There are better ways to make money if it is to be done illegally. If you take someone else’s profits it is considered more illegal than being a common criminal.

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    • 171
      Airline Pilot says:

      If you think airline pilots are well paid these days then you need your head looking at.

      The hours pilots have to work are extreme and your social life is non-existent.

      Like

  45. 90
    Ah! Monika says:

    UK Immigration Backlog ’37 Years Long’

    Hire another 37 officers and clear the backlog in 1 year. Simps

    Like

  46. 91
    one N two Bs two Ts says:

    Pay me more and I will become a better quality.

    Like

  47. 94
    Red Ed's non-predator union bosses says:

    Up the werkuz !!!

    Like

  48. 95

    OK. Who’s had their willies out in the sun today?

    Like

    • 98
      Russell Grant says:

      my ephemeris is at the ready

      Like

    • 100
      Point of Information 2 says:

      Your not a troll, but the real McCoy SC – so am intrigued by that statement.

      Nothing to do with Fabricate ?

      Like

      • 109

        Just a bit of badinage. Can’t be serious all the time.

        Like

        • 128
          Universal Hiss says:

          I know everyone needs a Willie but really!

          Being a pale, interesting, strawberry blond,I have no interest in bright red peni.

          Like

          • I have conversations at my FKK site with all sorts, including some of the most ravishing women I have ever seen. Curiously, whilst I still notice the goodies, the best conversations are not suggestive at all but, to use your word, interesting.

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          • broderick crawford says:

            what are you Cat ?

            Man , woman , heterosexual, homosexual, metrosexual , transexual or aesexual ?

            We d all love to know.

            Like

          • man – yes
            woman -no
            heterosexual – very. Hideously so some might say nowadays.
            homosexual – never
            metrosexual – definitely not
            transexual – categorically not
            asexual – that would not be fun at all. No!

            I cannot be clearer than that and am surprised you asked.

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          • Ailurophile says:

            Should we call you ‘Tom’ then?

            Like

        • 142
          Point of Information 2 says:

          No criticism, just intrigued: Not in looking at exposed Willie’s in the Sun, but more to the point you have raised.

          If two exposed genital stories is a week: Guido should start a ‘Balls Out’ thread ;-)

          Like

    • 135
      I must remain anon says:

      I have but how do you toast the underneath?
      I am too old to stand on my head for long and I don’t want a spit up my ars3

      Like

      • 188

        We all have to accept that there are some problems in life which must remain insoluble. You are not the first to ask such a question. Alas, I can supply you with no satisfactory answer.

        Like

  49. 99
    Diane Abbott eats to many creamcakes says:

    Diane Abbott needs this money to pay for all her cream cakes.

    Like

  50. 101
    Bazinga! says:

    I notice the BBC mongs are still going on about some daft Cricket game and should the (WHITE ENGLISH) batsman have walked.

    Of course when an ‘efnik’ player refuses to walk the BBC don’t wet their pink g-strings over it.

    Fuck off you BBC mongs.

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  51. 102
    Jimmy says:

    The blue line seems to go up before 2010 and down afterwards. Has anyone managed to work out what happened to cause that?

    Like

    • 113

      Not hard to work out. The left always pay inefficient and even unproductive people more than they are worth. What you are seeing here is a (moderately) good sign. It would be better if the drop were rather steeper, especially in the upper echelons of state employment.

      Like

    • 141
      Economics for numpties says:

      The wheels fell off the Labour Ponzi scheme and a lot of people were put out of work.

      NB Austerity also hit Europe properly which affected UK economy negatively.

      Like

  52. 105
    Owen Jones says:

    “‘I think England have erred by using a heavy roller first thing this morning because when you use that it deadens the pitch down and the ball will keep lower. They obviously did it with their quick bowlers in mind, but with so much rough out there, Guido Fawkes could be the key and he doesn’t just want bounce, he wants turn as well’.”

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  53. 110
    Not Dan Hodges says:

    Devil: Welcome to Hell…you’re trapped here for eternity, burning in the flames fuelled by your sins.

    Owen Jones: “What’s your WiFi password?”

    Like

  54. 117
    The Westminster Club of Pocket Liners United says:

    “Why?”

    Simple answer, the pocket liners are masters of their own destiny, want a pay rise? lets vote for that one!!

    Want a change of law to evict criminal Lords, ah, bit tricky that one, you see (said in a patronising, you just don’t understand tone) that would require a change of law and we are not going to upset fellow members of the “Westminster Club”

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  55. 127
    neitherdeadnoralive says:

    Why do some people think that if we give MP’s more money, they will do their job better, stop claiming outrageous expenses or stop taking backhanders off lobbyists ??? It will just make them even richer, thieving bastards !!!!

    Like

    • 134
      nellnewman says:

      You can’t make a silk purse out of a pig’s ear.

      And let’s be honest – the HoP and the HoL are the biggest example of pigs ears you are ever going to find!!

      Like

  56. 136
    Anonymous says:

    For comparison, please add to the graph “State Pension”

    Like

  57. 143
    Steve says:

    Another imaginary bomb plot. They are like buses. You don’t get one for years, then ten come along at once.

    Like

    • 147
      The security services are just as bent as the rest of the civil service says:

      Spending review time ?

      Bit like when License Fee comes up for debate and BBC makes token effort to improve output and adhere to charter.

      Like

  58. 145
    Front Running the Monday Morning Cryptic Cartoon... says:

    Q. What has Owen Jones and a Potato got in common ?

    A. Red Rooster

    (Cannot be bothered putting it into ASCII art)

    Like

  59. 153
    McFuckwit says:

    That twat Brown did his bit though. He took the PM salary for 3 years then the day he waled from Downing St using his family as. Human shield he cut the PMs salary by 25%

    That was of course 30 days after he increased the highest rate of Tax to 50% after 13 years at 40% just so they could fuck whoever came after. Now of course Labour scream tax cuts for millionaires despite the fact it’s higher than those bastards had it got 12 years 11 months an a day.

    Utter utter utter CNuts Fuckwit Brown and all Labour

    Like

  60. 156
    Ginger dipper says:

    When they caught that mouthy cow Hazel Blears with her tabs in the till she simply waved a cheque for 13k to pay it back. If it was honest she would have stood her ground. Should be in jail not the HOC earning a pay rise

    Like

    • 161
      Abdel from Tooting says:

      She also said she had b een told to claim the money by some civil servants.

      Well in my book that is not very civil at all.

      Needless to say she never named them so conveniently we cannot ask any really trenchant questions.

      I suspect the servants are either still working or retired with the taxpayer topping up their unfunded pensions.

      Still best to say nothing about all this because we don’t want another riot on our hands do we.

      Like

  61. 162
    Down t'pit says:

    Must be a bundle of laughs.Len McCluskey’ Bob Crow speaking at Durham Miners’ Gala. Strewth, I didn’t know there were any miners left in Durham.

    Like

  62. 163
    Steve says:

    One of the Dewsbury b*mb plotters gets sparked out in nick. No sound, but a good quality right hook.

    Like

    • 174
      broderick crawford says:

      how the hell d you get hold of that footage man…presumably from secreted iphone . well done !!

      Like

    • 196
      Expat Geordie says:

      I don’t normally approve of that sort of thing. After all, where does it say that convicted criminals can become their own agents of the law, being self selected judge, jury and executioner?

      in this case I can make an exception though. And the bastard should have been wearing prison uniform instead of a bed sheet.

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  63. 173
    broderick crawford says:

    why ??

    because most of them are troughers who have never had a private sector job in their lives , have been weaned on university , political research , spadism leading to mp – dom and who have never ever nor wish ever to be …. separated from sucking from the public teat .

    Like

  64. 202
    Local Hero says:

    Why is no-one looking at the level of expenses paid to county councillors? Surely the next scandal

    Like


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