June 29th, 2013

Does this Government Care About Middle Class Families?

Guido knew that the structure of marginal tax rates following a decade of Brown’s insidiously stealthy taxation and redistribution was malformed. How malformed was only driven home after reading a note from the Centre for Policy Studies. It is obscene how this government has punitively taxed the middle classes…

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The CPS use a simple not atypical example of a married man with two children, who has no savings or investment income, and no student loans. Factoring in allowances and changes to child benefit, his marginal rates will be as above. A middle-class single income family with 2 children and the father earning £50,001 will have a marginal tax rate of 59.5%. You don’t have to be a fully paid-up member of the Taxpayers’ Alliance to think that is far too much.

Next year will be the thirtieth anniversary of Nigel Lawson’s 1984 Tax Reforms. George Osborne says he is Lawsonian, if the Chancellor wants a legacy and the gratitude of the electorate, simpler, flatter, fairer taxes would be the right thing to do. It might win back the middle classes at the ballot box as well…


268 Comments

  1. 1
    Maqboul says:

    Middle class cash cows

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    • 4
      Working for the Welfare State says:

      Why tax earned income anyway?

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      • 7
        mad, swivel-eyed loon says:

        I don’t think any of LibLAaCon care for the working class either.

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        • 29
          V1le Labour trashed my Country says:

          The political class only care for themselves, immigrants, the eu, foreign aid that ends up in Swiss banks and screwing the electorate. This is why they should all be exterminated and we should start again.

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          • macduffer says:

            Shocking!

            Shame we don’t have a written constituition. We could then make it unconstitutional for anyone to pay more than 50% direct tax. Or if they did, they get a gold plated civil service pension as they are effectively working for the state.

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          • No tax here in this Eastern European land of fun and sun.
            Suckers!

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          • Anonymous says:

            Ar$eh0le

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          • Thank you both trolls immediately above for your worthless input.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Fuck off and die, you turd.

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          • Selohesra says:

            1 vote per £1 of tax – that will shake up the system

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          • rick says:

            “Does Government care about the middle-class ?”

            You cannot be that naive. Any Government cares only about votes – and the majority of those votes come from the self-interested and mostly parasite class – the ‘underclass’ Add to those the massively swelling immigrant population and their needs…it’s a wonder the middle-class hasn’t been sucked dry already.

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      • 233
        UK Fred says:

        These figures do not appear to include employees Calss 1 National Insurance Contributions which will push up the 59.5% figure to 71.5%

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        • 267
          lojolondon says:

          the numbers include employees NI, but exclude the >10% for employers contribution to NI, and on top of that, my take home pay suffers an additional 20% for VAT (and far more when I buy fuel, cigarettes or alcohol) – my figures show that 76% of the money that my company budgets for my salary goes to the revenue.

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    • 21
      Lord Stansted says:

      Fortunately, I aint middle class. If people can’t afford children then they shouldn’t have them. I’m not paying for their awful brats.

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      • 69
        "let me whisk you away" says:

        the reverse: when ppl can afford to have children…psychologically speaking….they should not.
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        but then the decision is in the hand of the paternal grandfather and the maternal grandmother…

        ….
        ..in general willpower can be used to finish mankind…..i.e kind of man….and that is the world we are now entering. Transhuman man is in, and if so, what is out?

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      • 97
        Tom Catesby says:

        You are paying Stanstead!

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      • 130
        CYNICAL OLD MAN says:

        The middle class WANT to be able to pay their way, i.e. their children. Unfortunately, the zombiefied masses of benefit dependents and those who think of having kids as an entitlement and not a financial responsibility think the likes of the middle class wage earners should pay for THEIR brats as well. That’s why middle class have less disposable income than everyone else. They are being taxed out of existence to pay for feckless breeders.

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        • 268
          lojolondon says:

          Yes, and also paying for other people’s children in China and Africa and the Middle East, and every other country in the world our misguided fool politicians are sending money to….

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    • 28
      Old Blind Pugh says:

      “married man with two children, who has no savings or investment income, and no student loans. Factoring in allowances and changes to child benefit, his marginal rates will be as above.” No savings or investment income and no student loans ( the interest on those is going up) what about the little wifeies income, cannot not she go out to work like plebs have to do, if they cannot afford to have kids why do they have them? What about grand parents looking after the kids as they used to do. Why live in a foreign country Londonistan?

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      • 71
        "let me whisk you away" says:

        think wider.
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        ….oldie.
        a very different world is emerging…with robotics …also know as 3d printing and my blue sued jeans. with genetic tinkering….the world is well…whatever illusion technology allows you to be.
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        5)3 = why.
        why?

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      • 99
        Keep 'em down there and his mates says:

        We do not want them here spoiling our quality of life and turning our bit of England into another vibrant multculti pigsty thank you.

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        • 184
          Voice of reason says:

          Its simple. Labour ideology never changed. The believe those who earn most should pay most – and they call it “progressive” taxation. Its only progressive to those who benefit from it. It became political poison to achieve this through income tax bands so they did via other means – the biggest being pensions. Their plan is to make somewhere between 40 and 60% of the electorate financially dependent on the state thus producing a natural “bought vote”. Trouble is their unsustainable spending always brings the country to the brink of bankrupcy (for anyone who doubts this once you add in the future final salary pension commitments for civil servants as a Ltd Company would have to on it s balance sheet – the country IS bankrupt already). So Tories get in saddled with debt and unable to deliver anything other than austerity – the electorate was even stupid enough to deliver a hung parliament. UK is finished – why? Because the majority of the population think the government is there to look after them, they aren’t prepared to take individual responsibility earn their own money and pay their own bills.

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  2. 2
    Norman Lamont says:

    Amazing how people self define as “middle-class”.

    Even those in the top 15% of earners, earning twice the median household income.

    Life on the “ciabatta line” is indeed tough.

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  3. 3
    Bill Quango MP says:

    No wonder I’m always skint no matter how much I earn.

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    • 43
      Old Blind Pugh says:

      What with subsidised meals in the HoC , all those lovely expenses, very generous salary (you could always creep round Dave and ask him for a promotion to ministerial office), try it on the breadline (I am very lucky to never been there) . As an MP you have nothing to worry about unless you lose your seat but you should have built all your contacts up if the time comes.

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      • 90
        Bill Quango mp says:

        Yes.. But still. Even with all the free houses and offices and staff and equipment and travel and pension and food and household and top ups from committees and salary top ups from quangos and foreign trips and .. Well everything!

        Even with all that its a struggle. I don’t know how you non political elite survive.

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        • 121

          I could cry at all those brown envelopes I have stuffed full of used notes and left at the appointed place.

          Sometimes I even wonder if I would be better off had I stuffed them into my own pocket.

          Why do we do these things? Someone tell me.

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  4. 5
    Gordon the medicated says:

    Today I have stripped naked in the garden, painted my knob red and am clenching a paper chain between my buttocks.

    For my personal Red arrows tribute.

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    • 46
      Old Blind Pugh says:

      Don’t tell me you have a pencil stuck each nostril and you keep saying, “wibble-wibble”

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    • 75
      "let me whisk you away" says:

      it is interesting that the knob has to covered.
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      the covered knob has power.
      but when seen as a masked men it becomes very different.
      “knob” = head + face + neck.
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      it is time for the masked man….The man of Zorro.

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      • 179
        Diane FatBot says:

        Gordon Brown. Why the fuck is he not in prison? We should involuntarily euthanize anyone who voted Labour in the last 20 years. This would rid us of most immigrants, public sector workers, benefit claimants and c^unts in general. The country would then operate as an efficient deficit free democracy where people work hard and actually keep most of what they have earned. It won’t happen. Which is why we are all heading to hell in a handbasket.

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  5. 6
    Labour says:

    You work for us! The state is everything! It’s not your money! It’s ours! Kneeel before Zod! I mean kneeel before the state!

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  6. 8
    Andrew Efiong says:

    You don’t have to go far beyond £50k to start being amongst the top income earners.

    Just goes to show people are being milked to pay for public sector waste. I’ll say it again, time to fire the worst performing 10% across the public sector. Get rid of this dross and productivity will go up whilst we save billions, especially if we can find examples of incompetence and strip people of their pension rights as punishment.

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    • 53
      Old Blind Pugh says:

      If another 10% of the lower orders the mangers and senior managers will have to do much more work, even having to personally deal the public that would never do. We seem to be over run with managers and senior managers these days, are they all really needed, ask them to make a decision oh dear got to be referred upwards.

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    • 61
      Guess What? says:

      The public sector, deliberately, makes no effort to measure performance of employees, precisely so that they cannot be judged as good or bad.

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    • 76
      Bollocks to getting a pseudonym says:

      10%? I’d make it 30%. Just fire 3 in every 10 public sector employees ( we can’t call them ‘workers’, as most of them are as lazy as fcuk) at random, and watch productivity improve.

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      • 238
        Educated WASP says:

        keep on that track and . . .
        30 pct unemployable (by anyone) kicked out onto the dole – so we continue to pay for them doing little or nothing.

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        • 258
          Entrepreneur says:

          Putting them on the dole is cheaper than paying them public sector salaries, public sector pension, bonuses, annual increments, London allowance etc., not to mention the cost of office accommodation, heating, lighting, computers etc.

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        • 259
          Entrepreneur says:

          It isn’t just a question of getting rid of the 30% who are lazy or incompetent.

          Many public sector workers officially work fewer than 35 hours a week – even white collar workers… Stand outside a public sector office in Victoria, and you risk being trampled in a stampede from 4.45 to 5.05 p.m. every day…

          Working hours should be increased by 20% to 42 hours a week, then a further 20% could be sacked. Even then, most would still work fewer hours than in the private sector.

          Productivity could be further enhanced by banning management by committee, and 90% of the meetings with more than 5 people present.

          Oh, and public sector wages should be pegged at private sector levels (i.e. reduce the by 15% to bring them in line and then by a further 10% to reflect greater job security, better pensions, etc.)

          Budget deficit solved!!

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    • 265
      Vlad the Loudhailer says:

      I agree we need to decimate the public sector, not once, but six times to bring it in to line

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  7. 9
    Bordon Grown says:

    The average salary is about £26k. This guy earns double that. He’s not middle class. Still a bit high mind.

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    • 16
      mad, swivel-eyed loon says:

      Yep, middle class needs to be redefined in the 21st century. With the underclass replacing the working class and the working class replacing the middle class, we need a new definition.

      More like, anyone that has a job that pays a bit more than the minimum wage and can manage to own their own home, run a car and maybe afford a holiday, is the new middle class.

      Still, if the stupid public keeping voting the LibLabCon, then I have no sympathy. The elites that rule (and I don’t mean politicians) truly want to make us all poor. Agenda 21 says, private property ownership is bad, in a roundabout way that car ownership is bad.

      Look forward to living in high density ‘eco towns’ with no cars and a life of serfdom in a global plantation. And don’t feel smug if you have money, they’re coming to confiscate that from you – Cyprus haircuts all round.

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      • 64
        East India Company Wallah says:

        In Ireland the media refer to those who pay their own bills as “the Coping Class”

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      • 78
        "let me whisk you away" says:

        time to devote “all or nothing”.
        time for hedging bets is over. …..find someone’s tail to hold onto.
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        alternative exists:
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        .go into the extension to the house that god has built,
        For extended leave into this zone, one needs to relate well, to ones purpose.

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  8. 10
    Anonymous says:

    Completely misleading. Tell us the *average* not the marginal tax rate — then we’ll see how many days he really has to work before he provides for his family – Monday and a bit of Tuesday I suspect.

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    • 15
      Income tax is just the start says:

      Then when he goes out to provide for his family the state takes another 20% off of him every time he buys something, and leaves him with only about 10% of his petrol money in his tank. Then there is his council tax, his energy VAT, his insurance tax, his Telly tax, his car tax, his wife, his baccy tax, his alcohol tax and his fishing licence to pay.

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      • 18
        mad, swivel-eyed loon says:

        And exactly what do we get for all that tax? The answer is virtually nothing.

        It’s wealth transfer from the poor to the rich.

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        • 62
          Quiet Bat Person says:

          Petrol money? Not before he has paid the Fuel Tax on the fuel. And the VAT on the Fuel. And the VAT on the Fuel Tax on the fuel.

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        • 82
          "let me whisk you away" says:

          the landed gentry…going upto …is all about land……as to have proper tea, one needs all the facilities for proper..tea……..property.
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          Given that the need for proper tea is endless…the need for land is endless too.
          but the sky is the limit.
          travel beyond. for this go into low breathing mode and cover your eyes.

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      • 19
        Subsidised Windmills and Sun Panels, Carbon tax, Plane tax, Rubbish Tax, Congestion tax, tyre tax... says:

        And now there are the green taxes too.

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        • 44
          V1le Labour trashed my Country says:

          TV tax, fishing tax, sewage farm tax, everything possible is taxed and the actual rate is probably close to 95% if you could work it out. Using the Marxist view that everything is free except for labour and profit then this 95% seems possible.

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          • Honest pensioner says:

            I am unemployed and over 60. Single, no kids. I get £580 per month cash unemployment benefit and £500 per month housing benefit That’s equivalent to £1400 per month taxable. I also get a free bus pass, £100 winter fuel allowance, 30% rail discount, free TV license, free gym. I also get £300 per month from my overseas pension that I do not declare and £740 per month rentals from property. I did part-time bit and pieces last month and cleared £1200. All that adds up to £3320 cash or £4800 after tax equivalent plus perks of around £50 per month.
            It is a total injustice that I have to pay VAT at the same rate as other people!

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          • Latterday Robin Hood says:

            At least you are ”allowed” to get your pension at 60.

            My wife has been told that for working all her life she cannot get a pension before 67.

            And she has a private pension that she is not allowed to draw upon until 55. And in a year or so, that will no doubt be pushed back.

            Keep working serfs.

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          • the mystic mould with the appearance of the face of Jesus says:

            I think you get a free tv license when you are 75

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  9. 11
    Not doing Armed Forces Day then Mincing Tory? says:

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    • 48
      V1le Labour trashed my Country says:

      Do you take it up the Arcelor?

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    • 58
      Pride and glory hole says:

      Section 3,is that the cubicle opposite the urinals or the one near the sinks?

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    • 68
      East India Company Wallah says:

      Yea baby
      Join the twelve million woofters proud to be out and loud about it
      Electoral success must surely follow
      Yea baby with this tweet the Tories have banked the left wing protest vote-those pervs are so shallow

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      • 79
        Bollocks to getting a pseudonym says:

        A few decades ago, it was the ‘love that dare not speak its name.’ Now it can’t and won’t STFU for five minutes.

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        • 116
          V1le Labour trashed my Country says:

          12 million where? it’s less than 1 % in the UK, probably 0.8% so the law is being changed for about 600,000 perverts! There are probably more peedoes.

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        • 132
          CYNICAL OLD MAN says:

          What pisses me off with these Gay Pride parades is the sheer “In-yer-face” triumphalism of those participating. As though they are thumbing their noses at straight people. Not only that, most of the participants are the sort of gay stereotypes the P.C. Brigade keep telling us we shouldn’t use as a description – you know, the 70s “hello Honky Tonk” Dick Emery types of homosexual- limp wristed, bitchy, screaming queens. Watch any news clip of a Gay Pride parade and you’ll see it well populated with the 70s stereotype.

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          • La Belle Francoise says:

            At least Dick Emery made us all laugh out loud at his antics.

            Perhaps we should all start laughing out loud again at this gay pride lot – they might then go away and leave the rest of us to get on with our lives…..

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    • 138
      preta manjay says:

      Lot of fuss about a sandwich

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  10. 12
    Abdel from Tooting says:

    This Government cares more about itself than the people.

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  11. 13
    Hoots! It's Clown says:

    My legacy of bambot taxation to reward the Labour voting, lifestyle idle will live on for generations.

    P.S. Did I mention I stole your pensions?

    Ya bas

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    • 14
      Eric Joyce says:

      Och! Just have a wee drink, Gordo! Some people call me a violent alcoholic c-unt. And when I found out who they are, I’m gonna smash their fuckin faces in! Ya ken?!

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  12. 17
    Tay King-dePisse says:

    Lord Lawson may have reformed the tax structure in the 1980’s, but nowadays, the trend is to follow in his daughter’s footsteps, and make a right hash of things.

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  13. 20
    Fat layabout with a plasma telly says:

    Give us more bennies!

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  14. 22
    Bono says:

    Taxes are for my fans. And then I decide where they are spent

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    • 42
      Bono's tax advisor says:

      You need to give me a call. There’s a new lower tax haven, we need to move your company over to there.

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  15. 23
    Is This man allowed near Children? says:

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  16. 24
    Pam Fritter says:

    The amount of tax I pay on fags I put myself more in the upper underclass bracket.

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    • 45
      mad, swivel-eyed loon says:

      £8 for a decent packet of fags (B&H etc.), thank Christ I don’t smoke. £320 a month, which is about £300 in tax.

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      • 105
        Old Blind Pugh says:

        I gave up over 12 yeas ago health reasons, they do not even smell the same as they did when my dad used to smoke, a bit like smouldering brown cartridge paper, yuk

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      • 223
        bergen says:

        Years ago I worked with a 60-a-day man (not then uncommon ). His modern equivalent would be paying north of £150 a week. I reckon those swingeing duty increases cut smoking far more than any public health campaign.

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  17. 26
    ukresearch says:

    it is the poorest who have been most viciously attacked – not the middle classes. This government is all about the middle class – it cannot do enough to kiss their butts.

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    • 30
      Pam Fritter says:

      Say that again,Posh Tories and their save the planet bollocks is costing me a fortune in heating.

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      • 47
        mad, swivel-eyed loon says:

        Pamela, you have to get over the posh Tory thing. Posh Labour would be doing exactly the same thing to you, it would just be going in someone else’s pocket.

        Please don’t vote LibLabCon

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        • 107
          Old Blind Pugh says:

          Vote for The World Domination League, they haven’t a clue but neither has any other political party

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    • 31
      Brassica Cordeline says:

      Incentivising people top be poor is generally a bad idea.

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    • 34
      mr jones says:

      McMental removed the 10p tax ban
      Moron

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    • 37
      Peter Mandelson says:

      We’re incredibly relaxed about people becoming filthy rich.

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      • 49
        John Prescott says:

        I would never ever become a lord and go into the House of Lords, because I’m working class and not a hypocrite.

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        • 110
          Old Blind Pugh says:

          Oh yes YOU are!

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          • Loosethink. says:

            The Hippocratic Oath is an oath historically taken by physicians and other healthcare professionals swearing to practice medicine honestly. It is widely believed …
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            the doctors by definition doctor.
            there is a confict between a desire for achievement (away game) and understandable need for peace (at home). and in the heat of the moment.
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            2nd chance is a reasonable and so is getting out of the heat. Be the substitute?

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    • 39
      Moussa Koussa's pet meerkat says:

      But they can only have it once. The poor are skint, so it was natural they’d come for the middle classes.
      As long as the rich don’t have to pay – eh?

      Tory twats

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      • 52
        Peter Mandelson says:

        That’s why we kept the rate of tax for the rich lower than it is now right until the last 2 weeks of being in office, just so we could say we taxed the rich higher than the coalition! We’re a party of principle!

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  18. 31
    Religion of terrorism and pàedos says:

    Why was my very funny post about muzee gangs deleted? Has even Guido turned soft on the fuckers?

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    • 35
      Pam Fritter says:

      My daughters got a new lad in her class from Afghanistan.He had to leave because of all the fighting at home with his wife and three kids.

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    • 51
      mad, swivel-eyed loon says:

      Yes, Guido turned politically correct sometime ago. Any criticism of the religion of violence and grooming is not tolerated. So much for being a libertarian.

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    • 54
      Achmed says:

      Silence! I kill you!

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    • 87
      whiskytang. says:

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      .the frame of the world is via the Queen’s english.
      .terrorism…..is inflicted by the enviornment……in one’s head. We make a choice about which room in the house that is our head that we wish to reside in.
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      it’s always location cubed. sach?
      sacchi knows.

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      • 197
        Headmistress (still on strike) says:

        In case it had passed you by, the Queen’s English involves the proper use of capital letters.

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  19. 36
    Joyce Thacker is evil says:

    Hello! My name is Abu Abdul bin al-Hassan al bin Ali bin bin. My hobbies are ràping the english girls age 14 and unders and collecting my free benefittings. And I do not voting the UKIPs.

    That’s excellent, Mr Bin. Your application to be a foster parent is accepted.

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    • 40
      In the paper recently says:

      Mr Bin sounds more like the foster child who social services thought was 16 but turned out to be 26.

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      • 93
        Loosethink. says:

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        mention criminals by names.
        precisely.
        ogre is a monster.
        a very similar sounding word means auspicious time.
        the queens english is a trap.

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        • 198
          Headmistress (still on strike) says:

          See my comment at 201. Detention for a week starting on Monday.

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    • 199
      La Belle Francoise says:

      In Arabic, “bin” means “son of” – so I am now confused as to exactly how many generations we are talking of here…

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  20. 41
    A.N. Fencepost says:

    My bin is fully laden. I expect to be fined.

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  21. 50
    avoid tax or take it what;s the fucking difference? says:

    All Public servants who moan about people who avoid paying tax should volunteer to have their pay capped at £50,000.

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  22. 55
    HMRC Stink tank says:

    Ok we want to be seen encouraging people to give up fags but we have to find a way to tax these new electronic ciggies everyone I smoking.
    Any thoughts?

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    • 91
      Tom Catesby says:

      As a non-smoker(sorry, I suppose I could risk disease, death and cancer and do my bit for England by taking up the habit and paying the obscene levels of tax) Am I correct in thinking that VAT is payed when these pretend ciggies are lawfully purchased at a shop?

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      • 202
        Headmistress (still on strike) says:

        Tom, VAT is not ‘payed’. It is ‘paid’.

        100 lines for you.

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    • 239
      mad, swivel-eyed loon says:

      Yep, that is the problem. Although HMRC collects its 20% VAT, that is nowhere near the obscene amount of duty (+VAT) that is collected on normal fags, so something must be done.

      It bit like our green governments don’t give money to car manufacturers developing fuel cell cars, as that means the end of fuel duty + VAT.

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  23. 59
    naebd says:

    “That means he works to provide for the state Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday and only begins to provide for his wife and children on Thursday and Friday. ”

    Marginal rate, so no, this is wrong.

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  24. 63
    Anonymous says:

    Whoops – someone’s misunderstood what marginal means. That’s embarrassing.

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  25. 65
    MI5 says:

    + 1000

    And when you see that the SOCA report on industrial scale criminality among the plus chip LAW FIRMS and companies is BURIED somewhere between the SOCA, Home Office and the CPS,

    YOU KNOW THAT THE RULE OF LAW HAS BROKEN DOWN…

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  26. 67
    Labour says:

    It is an inalienable right for people to have loads of kids and sit on their arse and let the state pay for everything without ever doing a day’s work whilst other people work to pay for their benefits. Vote Labour.

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  27. 72
    BBC tax dodger says:

    If only you lot could do what we do at the BBC. Set ourselves up as a company and avoid paying taxes.

    But we still like to attack white right wing Tories who do the same.

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  28. 77
    Anonymous says:

    Taking into account the fact that the middle-class usually vote for those who are screwing them one can only assume that they like it.

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    • 117
      Old Blind Pugh says:

      Same for the political wallies that go to those places where they sample what a dominatrix does, must be the public sort of thing.

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  29. 81
    Fact Hunt says:

    How far has the USA fallen since the days of JFK & Reagan. The current incumbent has disclosed that a marxist terrorist was his inspiration.

    In other news E*DL leader Tomm*y Robinson has been arrested for obstructing police whilst trying to walk to the spot where Lee Rigby was killed. What a pity Plod couldn’t have found a way of obstructing the bastards who murdered the poor chap in broad daylight on the streets of our capital city.

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    • 88
      Tom Catesby says:

      That would have been much too dangerous for plod and involved actually doing something.

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    • 94

      History now appears to have become an account of events composed by the most abject of possible losers. They have never experienced what real strife is and live in cocooned worlds which do not reflect reality for most people. How times have changed.

      Nothing great was ever built without preparation, dedication and perspiration.

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    • 101
      Bazinga! says:

      The plods are all cowardly scum, they make polititians look like decent human beings. Fuck the cops, pig shit cuuntz.

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    • 136
      CYNICAL OLD MAN says:

      I blame that bitch Theresa May. She set the standard by banning those American Bloggers from entering the country. She’s kowtowed to the Islamists because they don’t like the truth being told about their so called religion.

      If I was Tommy Robinson I would have someone filming every encounter he has with the police because I think he’s being harassed and railroaded into police cells. He must have a good case for complaining of police harassment, unlawful arrest and malicious prosecution. The Lawrence family have certainly made a career out of claiming harassment from the police and that leads to the ear of the Prime Minister and police investigations. Isn’t it amazing Plod allow a REAL inciter of violence and hate, Anjem Choudary to move around freely and spread his poison?

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      • 150
        Village Idiot says:

        …It really does seem as if the law today is done,”Through the Looking Glass” and the law is completely back to front…The result of PC and fear,and, it does not seem to be friendly to white ,english people with genuine concerns…Strange times indeed!!!…How to get sanity back and the law protecting white english again,goodness knows???

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  30. 86
    Tom Catesby says:

    The ‘middle class’ should blame themselves, stop voting for Christmas like turkeys!

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    • 98
      Tachybaptus says:

      But at the moment we turkeys have the choice of voting for Christmas, Christmas, Christmas or (a very faint prospect) possibly not Christmas.

      Like

      • 123
        The Plymouth Colony says:

        “…(a very faint prospect) possibly not Christmas.”
        Something to “grebe” over certainly, eh, Tachybaptus?
        Not much cause for a Day of Thanksgiving then, is it?

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  31. 96

    Hіstоry nоw аppеаrs tо hаvе bеcоmе аn аccоunt оf еvеnts cоmpоsеd by thе mоst аbjеct оf pоssіblе lоsеrs. Thеy hаvе nеvеr еxpеrіеncеd whаt rеаl strіfе іs аnd lіvе іn cоcооnеd wоrlds whіch dо nоt rеflеct rеаlіty fоr mоst pеоplе. Hоw tіmеs hаvе chаngеd.

    Nоthіng grеаt wаs еvеr buіlt wіthоut prеpаrаtіоn, dеdіcаtіоn аnd pеrspіrаtіоn.

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    • 100
      Tachybaptus says:

      Not losers in the normal sense. It is a truism that history is written by the winners. The trouble now is that the whingers have won.

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      • 103

        Agree completely, Tachy.

        I was being deliberately provocative in turning the traditional saying on its head but relying on a different interpretation of the word losers.

        Often the winners in life are clearly losers. Witness Gordon Brown, Fred the Shed, Jimmy Savile and Polly Toynbee.

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        • 112
          Loosethink. says:

          if we do what we are meant to do on earth, they we are commited.
          only those on the other side of the garden wall know the truth….and they ain’t revealing it here.
          .
          .
          afterall.
          why
          should
          they.
          .
          .
          the longview works in both directions.

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        • 127
          UKIP or bust says:

          Tommy Roberts was aressted today for ‘being provocative’, can’t say he doesn’t have dedication.

          Will he turn out to be a looser or a winer in either the old or new sense, I wonder.

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  32. 102
    Living in 97.2% white Merseyside says:

    We’re all middle-class now.

    Remind me who said that – was it Tone?

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    • 124
      Good ol' free press (as opossed to state run media) says:

      It was the S un that reported it for the cnut, and for the Hunts who voted for him.

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  33. 106
    Philip Booth says:

    This hugely understates the marginal rates because it ignores withdrawal of child tax credits. For the vast majority of single earner two children family a marginal rate of around 70% is incurred ignoring indirect taxes

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  34. 109
    Dan Hodges says:

    If rumour I’ve heard about Owen Jones singing Gimme Shelter with the Stones at Glastonbury tonight is true, it’s going to be darn good

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  35. 113
    Anonymous says:

    For any question relating to this government, the answer is UKIP.

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  36. 114
    Owen Jones says:

    Oh, well DONE, Laura at Wimbledon Excellent effort. applauds politely … “scoffs a strawberry and quaffs several glasses of Bollinger Champagne.”

    It’s great being a CHAMPAGNE SOCIALIST !!!!!!

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  37. 119
    bill & ben says:

    logical yes – in a narrow sort of way

    but the middling sort are said to be the most active consumers of state services

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  38. 129
    Hmmm says:

    That means he works to provide for the state Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday and only begins to provide for his wife and children on Thursday and Friday.

    I think you have cocked up here, Guido.

    The marginal rate applies to the amount over 50k, not the whole lot.

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  39. 131
    One Hit Wonder says:

    Wot about the dole scrounging class like me guv?

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  40. 133
    The collective mind of public opinion says:

    Gordon Brown is a fucking c’unt.

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    • 134
      Loosethink. says:

      A good quotation.
      “Brideshead with a heavy heart”.
      c
      c
      c
      it is not quality or quantity that is at fault but the mix.
      to know is to forgive.
      .
      .
      vommitgrommit.

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  41. 139
    Can pay now, won't pay for much longer says:

    If you don’t like it, downsize.

    Find a much less demanding job or small business that covers your expenses and lets you put a bit by for your old age, and let someone else pay the tax.

    Oh, and cancel that BBC licence fee.

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    • 147
      C.E. Knicker-Elastic says:

      I just cannot understand why people begrudge paying the TV licence fee. The amount of content the BBC puts out, from TV to radio to online, news, documentaries, entertainment, music, the list is endless. And all advert-free. The latter is worth £12 a month on its own. Contrast this with the mind-numbing tripe that ITV puts out. Cowell-shite, Jungle-shite, Keith Lemon shite, etc etc. The BBC shelters us from this garbage.

      The £12 a month is phenomenal value for money. It could not be done unless everyone subscribed. If the way it is financed could be construed as ‘socialist’ then it just goes to show what can be done when the state, instead of private enterprise, works for the common good rather than profit.

      We can learn a lot from the way the BBC is constituted. Long may it continue.

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      • 151
        Enemy Combatant says:

        If it is that good, then turning it into a subscription service shouldn’t be a problem.

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      • 154
        I don't need no doctor says:

        Begrudge. Because it’s all repeats you dumb arsewipe.

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      • 156
        Can't watch ITV without paying the Telly Tax says:

        Bloody expensive if all you watch is Corrie though

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      • 159
        Fuck off Beeboid says:

        Bollocks. Your diatribe only holds true if you have nothing better to do with your life than vegetate in front of a TV for most of it.

        For normal people then Pay per view or subscription is the only fair option.

        Note..ITV and Sky give us the news for free and what’s more it’s free of Guardianista lefty bias. Except anyone watching ITV or Sky news without paying their Telly Tax, if caught will be sent to prison.

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      • 174
        Anonymous says:

        152 keeps on writing the same shit under a different name. All that bollocks about £12 a month being good value, he’s said on here many times before.

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      • 246
        TV Tax - for that is what it is officially classified as says:

        I haven’t paid it for 5 years, so I don’t begrudge it at all – it is irrelevant.

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  42. 140
    Will E Sutton says:

    They are taxed because that’s where the money is.

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    • 142
      Which part of Retardia are you from? says:

      No matey boy

      the money is with

      Starbucks
      Amazon
      Google
      HSBC the money-launderers
      etc.

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    Anonymous says:

    It is a small price to pay for the cultural enrichment I bring to this country.

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  45. 146

    BBC apologises over Holly Willoughby’s revealing dress

    You could not see anything.

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    • 149
      Living in 99.99999% white North Wales says:

      “You could not see anything.”

      Because her tits always get in the way.

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    • 153
      I don't need no doctor says:

      I’ll tell you something, she isn’t a natural blonde, oh no. She can’t fool me, saw straight through that.

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  46. 148
    Serbian Peasant Family (12) says:

    We are on our way follows estern europe brother to the wunderfuel UK, we here the benefits are enornmous!

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  47. 152
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Why is that black bloke allowed to play in the women’s tennis at Wimbledon? Is it Harman’s doing?

    Like

  48. 155
    A Union T shirt and a Tie? says:

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    • 157
      I don't need no doctor says:

      Watson is an ugly fat pile of vile scum. That is of course my personal opinion.

      Like

    • 161
      JH234902349023 says:

      What a lovely little outing for three big-statists.

      Must be great being able to go on little benders like that, all on the taxpayer.

      Lucky them.

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    • 165
      Turd says:

      What a self satisfied smug fucking fat ugly useless troughing pointless horrible example of cùnting hatefulness

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  49. 158
    Serbian Peasant Family (12) says:

    When joining EU we will be visiting and making health better, you kind epople will pay for my family food and home I here.

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    • 171
      Anonymous says:

      The Croatian Ustasha rats are being welcomed on board the sinking ship by Frau Merkal. But Serbia will never be allowed into the Reich. Good for Serbia methinks.

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  50. 163
    Saffron says:

    Beeboids/itvitma/skyroids etc are good,well no they are not,crap repeat rubbish from all of them.
    The only thing that the beeboids shelter us from is cottoning on as to what they are all about and that is their lefty biased crap that they spew out endlessly.
    Needless to say Wavy Davy puts up with the leftie crap,why does he do this?.
    God knows in that if I had an enemy like this,then I would be intent on destroying it.
    Maybe short of feckin backbone springs to mind,no wonder that UKIP are making such progress and all politico’s should be wetting themselves at this scenario.

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    • 209
      Matilda says:

      I put it down to their appalling tastes in ties…

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    • 229
      Fauxservative News Service says:

      “Needless to say Wavy Davy puts up with the leftie crap,why does he do this?.”

      Because, he himself, is a Fabian and supporter of the most left wing American President ever?

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  51. 164
    Owen Jones says:

    How much taxpayers’ money are Oxfam, Greenpeace & Water Aid wasting on sponsoring Glastonbury tonight? End this scandalous waste now!

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    • 167
      Funnn says:

      Looking froward to seeing the quizzical looks on the youngsters as the Stones take to the stage

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  52. 168
    Funnn says:

    Three sweaty uncool wankers

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  53. 169
    Saffron says:

    Gweedo
    Please tell me why we keep seeing this snotty nosed left wing asshole Owin Jonesy on this site with his infantile take on things.
    The guy is a statistical nightmare on his take of things,which has now been proved many times.
    Nevertheless the beeboids appear to love him as he speaks their language,what a surprise NOT.

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  54. 170
    Anonymous says:

    What a silly question,Guido. Of course this government cares about the middle class. Who else is it going to rob in order to pay for the welfare-warfare state?

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  55. 172
    The Stones have stopped rolling says:

    O M G!! IT IS EMBARRASSING.

    The Drummer looks like a stiff and the rest of the band should be in bed.

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    • 173
      Time Loop says:

      Is it pre recorded? The frame rate of the broadcast does not have the live telly look about it

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      • 177
        Against the spirit says:

        What a let down. Edited and not live. BBC should have told the greedy bastids to stick it up their arse

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    • 175
      Yep that sums it up says:

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      • 217

        So what has Leo Miklasz, self-described singerer of Glasgow, pro-independence, ever done?

        His value system put a huge emphasis on popularity and social performance. His 219 followers have to sustain that ego for him. Let us see what he is like at 70.

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  56. 176
    Rubber face says:

    When did Vicky Pryce become lead singer for the Rolling Stones?

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  57. 180
    Living in 97.2% white Merseyside says:

    Never mind the middle classes my benefits and pensions are so much now I have to pay a bit tax.

    Good job they will be forever solid as the Rock of Gibraltar!

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  58. 181
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    Keith Burtons says:

    Agree. Jagger has a face wrinklier than methuselah’s ballsack. They were never really that good – just around first with the Beatles. There is good music out there – Muse are a good live act, modern rock is out there too – did anyone try to present Gilbert & Sullivan to the 60s’ kids? Insulting?

    Saw a photo of the Stones last week – reminded me of the guys I used to walk past in the park – haggard, toothless and pissed begging for change.

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    • 257
      Village Idiot says:

      …..Put simply,”You are wrong.”

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      • 260
        Liam Gallagher says:

        He’s dead right my friend. Either you are 75 years old or have no taste in music. The Strolling Bones should have been put out to pasture over 20yrs ago – they weren’t even good at their peak. Millions vote Labour too – another pastime way past its sell by date……….

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  60. 183
    Yet another Tory Bugger says:

    Tory makes history as the first MP to come out as bisexual and gets standing ovation from activists after telling them about his male partner

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2351674/Tory-makes-history-MP-come-bisexual-gets-standing-ovation-activists-telling-male-partner.html

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    • 250
      Glad I didn't vote Tory last time and won't next time says:

      Oh good, a Polish gayer MP, wonderful.

      No wonder the country is going to the dogs.

      Like

  61. 187
    Jimmy says:

    I see Dave Gimmick has announced the surrender in Afghanistan. Another proud moment.

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    • 188
      The BBC causes serious mental illness says:

      Hang on a moment Jimmy – Afghan!stan was only ever about Article 5 NATO response to 9-11.

      If Labour, and the liberal left mongs in the US, hadn’t tried to rebrand it as a humanitarian mission to liberate the Afghan’s and just allowed the armed services to exterminate the Tal!ban hand to hand then things would have been only a lot sooner. But there was never a victory to be had.

      Methinks the real work was todo with clearing paths through the mountains in the North West for pipelines anyway. The amusing thing is that the last time I checked the pipelines were not going through those areas.

      The left should tread carefully in claiming anything on Afghan!stan, particularly when !raq hangs over Labour and much of the country as a stinking rotten corpse in a gibbet of foreign policy gone wrong ;-)

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  62. 189
    on the wings of lurve says:

    Taxes is for thickos

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  63. 191
    Guido's a Prat says:

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    Matilda says:

    Yes BW – but just with whom are you able to take up your complaint if they are all in it together?

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  66. 211
    John Tandy says:

    Speaks for itself…..

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  67. 214
    Eton Trough says:

    The prejudices of the middle classes are well know, their views on taxation are a matter of indifference to me. We rule and will continue to do so in the way we see fit to enure our continued dominance. No mater who you vote for in 2015 you’ll get us even if we have to form a ‘National Government’, but of course we won’t tell you which ‘nation’ it will be working for.

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  68. 215
    Anonymous says:

    I will always remember the story of Osborne arriving at a jetty in the Med in his monster power boat pissing everyone off and sneering at the locals as he made all and sundry move from his path. Not for he second class trains and the common wo/man.

    Booing at the Olympics was too good for the creep.

    Karma will come

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    • 216
      Strolling Bones says:

      It’s all about looking radical for the swivel eyed. Thatcher really did a number on the Tory party. They don’t look to conserve any more, their leaders measure success on how quickly they can tear down and destroy. Osborne and especially Gove are case examples of this cumulative radicalisation. Both praised not because of results which are deeply unflattering but because of their radicalism.

      It’s fuckwit politics of the lowest scale and it always ends in trouble

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  69. 219
    Ah! Monika reformed says:

    Campbell Admits Blair Lied

    Former Labour spin doctor Alastair Campbell, pictured, was last night accused of insulting Winston Churchill after suggesting he told worse lies about D-Day than Tony Blair had about the Iraq War.

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    • 222
      the mystic mould with the appearance of the face of Jesus says:

      now he just needs to say why he lied.

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  70. 220
    Steve. says:

    Kittens (Deleted by D.T. censor 12 hours ago)

    A pretty little girl named Suzy was standing on the pavement in front of herhome.

    Next to her was a basket containing a number of tiny creatures; in her hand was a sign announcing FREE KITTENS.

    Suddenly a line of big cars pulled up beside her. Out of the lead car stepped a grinning man. “Hi there little girl, I’m the leader of the Tory Party, Dave Cameron. What do you have in the basket?” he asked. “Kittens,” little Suzy said. “How old are they?” asked Cameron. Suzy replied, “They’re so young, their eyes aren’t even open yet.” “And what kind of kittens are they?” “Tory supporters,” answered Suzy with a smile. Cameron was delighted. As soon as he returned to his car, he called his PR chief and told him about the little girl and the kittens. Recognizing the perfect photo op, the two of them agreed that he should return the next day; and in front of the assembled media, have the girl talkabout her discerning kittens. So the next day, Suzy was again standing on the pavement with her basket of “FREE KITTENS,” when another motorcade pulled up, this time followed by vans from BBC, ITV, ABC, CNN and Sky News, Cameras and audio equipment were quickly set up, then Cameron got out ofhis limo and walked over to little Suzy. “Hello, again,” he said, “I’d love it if you would tell all my friends out there what kind of kittens you’re giving away.”

    “Yes Sir,” Suzy said. “They’re UKIP supporters.

    ” Taken by surprise, Dave stammered,

    But…but…yesterday, you told me theywere TORY SUPPORTERS.” Little Suzy smiled and said,

    “I know. But today, they have their eyes open.”

    Hat tip Huahinronnie.

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  71. 221
    Steve. says:

    This is good. If we all vote UKIP the same might happen here. http://tinyurl.com/pt3jp38

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  72. 224
    the mystic mould with the appearance of the face of Jesus says:

    the wiki page has them down as separated

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  73. 225
    Raptor says:

    “Thatcher really did a number on the number on the Tory party…their leaders measure success on how quickly they can tear down and destroy.”
    (Moron Number 220, above)

    In reality, Mrs Thatcher’s government either abolished or privatised the parasitic state-owned institutions that were set up by the Labour governments of the 1940’s or 1960’s. Their abolition was much to the country’s benefit.

    The present Tory leaders talked about “a bonfire of the quangoes”, or abolishing the Human Rights Act, but have done little or nothing to accomplish it. Labour’s Climate Change Act , if not repealed, will ruin us by the end of the decade.

    Instead, the Coalition go on taxing and squandering as if the Balls/Brown
    junta were still in power.

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  74. 227
    Bluebottle says:

    Can I join the working classes, please?

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    • 231
      the mystic mould with the appearance of the face of Jesus says:

      a guy goes for a job at a factory and is given work on the production line.
      manager says ” look when the widget comes down on the conveyor belt press that red button”
      worker says ” ok”
      later that morning the manager comes around ” how’s everything going”
      ” it’s good but I’m feeling a bit under employed ”
      “ok”, says the manager ” after you’ve pressed the red button wait for a second or two and then pull that yellow lever”
      “cool”
      in the afternoon the manager is doing his rounds, ” everything ok ?”
      ” sure but I’m still feeling I could do a bit more”
      “Ok after you’ve done the button and the lever press that foot pedal, you are doing a great job”.
      Then towards the end of the shift the manager again comes over.
      “everything ok ?”
      ” Yes” says our man ” but I’m thinking that if you stuck a broom up my arse I could sweep the floor”

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  75. 228
    Mustapha ben Effit says:

    I extend warm welcome to all worlds poor peoples to come to UK and get free house,medical treatment and education and also get weekly benefits for doing nothing. It is great place to live (apart from shit weather)

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  76. 230
    Ah! Monika says:

    Andy Burnham: ‘Judge me by what I did for the NHS’
    Ahead of the 65th anniversary of the health service, a former health secretary talks about his time at the helm, his regrets – and his plans for a new kind of NHS under Labour

    You couldn’t make it up, but he can

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    • 234
      Anonymous says:

      So just how many did you exterminate, Andy ???

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    • 247
      albacore says:

      Praise Parliament, ain’t it a Wonderland
      Where now anything goes that once was banned
      And if you’re alien, commie or gay
      You’re more welcome than the flowers in May
      And getting rid of the old British dross
      Is first priority for any boss?

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  77. 240
    Steve. says:

    Aljabeeba had this vid banned from You Tube, still available on live leaks, for now. http://tinyurl.com/nqsa8mr

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  78. 241
    Calamity Clegg, Chief Cockroach says:

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  79. 254
    Owen Jones says:

    Good morning everyone hope you are ok and enjoying your weekend,it’s grey/dull here, come to think of it most days are like that in Oldham:(

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    • 263
      Norman Tebbit says:

      Has your boyfriend left a bitter taste in your mouth and feeling slightly stretched again Owen – you nasty little faggot?

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  80. 255
    DAODAO says:

    High marginal tax rates at points where loss of allowances kicks in are not equitable; this explains the bumps to approximately 60% at £50-60k (loss of child benefit) and £100-112k (loss of personal allowance). It would be simpler and fairer just to tax child and other benefits (and not to withdraw them entirely above a certain threshold), scrap the withdrawal of the personal allowance above £100k and increase the top tax rate to say 50% for those earning over £100k.

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  81. 264

    This blog is the online version of the right wing gutter press. Just wanted to say that really…

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  82. 266
    Anonymous says:

    I have no idea what class someone would define me as belonging to – maybe feral as one mate suggested I was- actually I would join the feral party if it existed as a political party, I just went through sorting out a job application with my daughter which required 3 forms of ID, passport wasn’t enough on it’s own, driving license wasn’t enough, I didn’t have to prove I existed when I went for my first job – WE”VE GOT TO STOP THIS SHITE NOW!!!! NOW!!!!!

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