May 8th, 2013

Maggie’s EU-Turn

A very interesting revelation from Charles Moore at last night’s Speccie event at Cadogan Hall: Maggie wanted Britain to leave the EU after she left office. According to Moore it “became her view… after the Maastricht Treaty in 1992″, but was kept quiet on the advice of her advisers. Judging by the reaction to Lord Lawson’s comments yesterday, you can bet Tory MPs will be taking note…


  1. 1
    Kebab says:



    • 3
      Sour Grapes after the fact says:

      Perhaps she wasn’t so principled after all?

      “I thought so at the time but didn’t say anything because I didn’t want to cause a fuss”


      • 128
        Splooge says:

        The Blessed Margaret has left us, Fergie has retired…

        Somewhere there’s a Scouser with a lamp and one wish left


        • 133
          Point of Order says:

          Yes, his name is Moyes (another Glaswegian it seems).


          • the savant 10.4 highway patrol says:





    • 5
      Gordon Brown says:

      I would like to leave this cubicle


    • 53
      Sir William Waad says:

      Well, now she HAS left the EU.


    • 86
      Moussa Koussa Mark 8 says:



      • 92
        V1le, vicious Labour ruined my Country says:

        Maggie obviously knew what the eu was going to become, a bureaucratic money sink, so became opposed to it. It’s a shame she did not mention this earlier as we could have left earlier. The political class scum don’t want to leave as it’s their pension fund and they are being bribed with £millions.


  2. 2
    she is dead says:



    • 41
      The Eternal Prime Minister (pbuh) says:

      No, No, No!


    • 73
      da spirit. says:

      mn should leave it
      2 zero,s may…ka. too.
      the 1 should go tini.
      that….is the origin of the ladiba.
      the dare is 2 go thru the…the od.
      most singers od when they cannt cross 28, i.e the one.


  3. 4
    Gary Jones says:

    Did you see the article in The Independent, where The government was contemplating selling arms to Argentina just before they invaded The Falklands?


    • 8
      Tinkabellend says:

      Did you see the article where Labour PM invaded Iraq?


      • 30
        Gary Jones says:

        with Conservatives backing I did, do you remember Businessmen trying sell Saddam a super gun?


    • 10

      Really? I thought they got all their stuff from the French?


    • 12
      Anon...... says:

      Were they trying to prevent our allies “the Fre*nch” selling even more
      deadly weapons to the Argies ???


      • 18
        Les Froggies et la Fromages says:



      • 43
        Gary Jones says:

        In all, Labour and Conservative governments in the 1970s and early 1980s sold Argentina: two Type 42 destroyers; eight Canberra bombers; two Lynx helicopters; 135 Tigercat surface-to-air missiles; 44 Sea Cat surface-to-air missiles; 44 Sea Dart surface-to-air missiles; a Blowpipe anti-aircraft missile system with 120 surface-to-air-missiles; five Skyvan aircraft; one HS125 transport aircraft; 370 army vehicle radios; as well as electronic warfare equipment; a Laser Rangefinder; “Marksman” gunnery trainers; ejector seats; periscopes; and ammunition.


        • 72
          Lecturer in history says:

          What is your point?
          They were our coldwar allies.
          Like Saddam was our cold war friend and anti-Iranian buffer.

          Why are you taking dubious historical constructs and trying to formulate some vague theory that we armed our enemies with the knowledge that we would have to fight them, yet were prepared to do so to earn money from our arms sales.

          Even a backwards, special needs, fresher history student would be told to bugger off and not come back until they look at the world as it is and not as they might imagine it should be.


          • Gary Jones says:

            My point is a failure of Intelligence. was there a threat to the Falklands? Yes, should we sell them arms?


          • Gary Jones says:

            unlike your “students” I lived through this time


          • Lecturer in history says:

            unlike your “students” I lived through this time.

            Then you have little excuse for not being better informed.


          • Gary Jones says:

            was well informed, especially about HMS Endurance,and the scaling down of the Falklands defense prior to the invasion


        • 121
          The Sheikh Of Arabeee says:

          Why don’t you just fuck off to LabourList you fucking blethering fucking cheesedick?


          • Gary Jones says:

            Is that the best you can do? 2/10 and stay behind and see Matron to see about those boils


      • 68
        David Shaver says:

        Did they also stage a coup to get an utter fruitcake in charge who decided to invade? Gosh, those boys at MI6 and the FCO are jolly efficient!


      • 107
        BobRoberts says:

        In the way of urban legends,

        The father of a friend of mine claims he visited an Exocet missile manufacturing facility in France during the Falklands war and the factory workers had pained up little silhouettes of the British ships those things sunk or damaged… Charming!


    • 13
      Twat Watch says:

      Gary you are the independent’s only reader


      • 29
        BBC Red Bottom says:

        Well…we buy a van load of our friend the Indy’s papers every day.
        No idea if anyone reads them.


        • 130
          pulping mill services inc says:

          we cut the middlemen (readers) out and take the unsold copies straight out the backdoor


      • 35
        Gary Jones says:

        No was a Guardian reader,but gave them up after they supported the Lib Dems, I follow all the Broadsheets via Twitter etc


        • 70
          she is dead says:

          Falklands was the best thing she did.

          Even someone who can’t stand her will give her that. The bennies want to stay British, as long as that is the case, the islands stay British.

          If they decide they want to eat more steak or be an independent nation, fair enough. but until then..


        • 74
          Ed Moribund says:

          Typical lefty. Gets the products of capitalism all for free and whines about it.


    • 141
      the savant 10.4 highway patrol says:

      Nearly as bad as the cheese eating surrender monkeys ACTUALLY selling them Exocet missiles behind the EU’ s back ….


  4. 6
    Wonderfulforhisage says:

    Nigel the new Maggie.


  5. 7

    Tories would only be interested in keeping their own jobs.


  6. 9
    • 19
      Johan Hari says:

      Is that one I made earlier?


      • 38
        Gary Jones says:

        In all, Labour and Conservative governments in the 1970s and early 1980s sold Argentina: two Type 42 destroyers; eight Canberra bombers; two Lynx helicopters; 135 Tigercat surface-to-air missiles; 44 Sea Cat surface-to-air missiles; 44 Sea Dart surface-to-air missiles; a Blowpipe anti-aircraft missile system with 120 surface-to-air-missiles; five Skyvan aircraft; one HS125 transport aircraft; 370 army vehicle radios; as well as electronic warfare equipment; a Laser Rangefinder; “Marksman” gunnery trainers; ejector seats; periscopes; and ammunition.


      • 122
        The Sheikh Of Arabeee says:


        Bored with your fucking mouseturd efforts at trolling.


  7. 14
    The futility of the punditry says:

    Interesting to note that all the fruitcakes have to hark back to Saint Maggie for their inspiration

    Are their own views of so little importance?

    Or is it just a total inability yo design a policy for Britain other than as the Macao of Europe?

    Home to mobsters, money launderers, financial frauds and tax evaders…


  8. 15
    Penfold says:

    Oh great, she wanted out.
    So why the fuck did she sign Maastricht.
    We’ve had 20 years of an unnecessary experiment that has cost us billions.
    Can we hold anybody accountable? Probably not.
    Who needs f**king politicians, if Belgium can get by whithout them it’s time we tried the same route.


    • 17
      Hang 'em High! REALLY HIGH!! (own piano wire supplied) says:

      I can help you there


    • 24
      Maggie's Thatch says:

      She had dementia?


    • 59
      Sir William Waad says:

      She didn’t.

      It was John Major, in 1992.


    • 63
      I'm Barry Scott says:

      She didn’t sign Maastricht. She was starting to dig he heels in and resist the EU, which is why they got rid of her.

      John Major signed Maastricht just before he thought was going to lose the 1992 election.


      • 83
        erm says:

        rubbish, they got rid of her because she was a liability.


      • 132
        green ink says:

        I don’t remember which treaty she has been quoted commenting on when she said quite clearly she was fooled by the drafters and bureacrats and never really trusted them again.

        It is established beyond any serious doubt that she wanted a fair even playing field in europe but certainly didn’t want this country to be dictated to by the EU. That desire remains central to most sensible thinking people particularly businesses but in the final analysis if the terms are not right then we’re best out.

        We sit in a unique position in world economics with an independent currency a key centre for global deal making and with a correctly functioning banking system we can certainly thrive in the global marketplaces.

        David Cameron believes we should be negotiating with a positive frame of mind and then let the electorate decide … 2017 is a long time to wait and in that lays his biggest problem but the process of change will take time to achieve.


    • 105
      Anonymous says:

      Major signed Maastricht.


  9. 16
    The Slippery Shit in PM’s kit says:

    HM’s Speech??? I’ve fooled them all again !!

    Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!!! O Hoo!! Hoo!! Hoo!!



  10. 20
    Gordon Brown says:

    I too have important things to say about Europe and many other subjects, all of which will be in my next book: “Beyond the Tomato: How to Twiddle Your Thumbs and Hurl Nokias Whilst Colouring In a Peppa Pig Book”.


    • 27
      yvemaria says:

      “GORDON” Get back in your PLAY PEN…..”NOW”


    • 39
      Editor of the Titler glossy rag says:

      I think his new book should be called

      How to pickyour nose and become Prime Minisre of BRITAIN


      • 67
        I'm Barry Scott says:

        Surely you mean, picking your nose and then sticking the bogey in your mouth?


  11. 21
    Lord Alex Ferguson says:

    Do you fruitcakes want us to pull out of the EuropeanChampions League as well?

    Where will we earn all our cash then?


    • 60
      ed says:

      Aren’t you dead?


    • 75
      I'm Barry Scott says:

      Since when is Turkey in the EU, or Russia or Ukraine or Switzerland or Croatia or Finland or Moldova or Israel all of which field teams in the competition.


    • 85
      Welcome to Fail. Population: You. says:

      Err, do the Champions League run this country? Thought not. Get back in your cage gimp.


  12. 23
    Jimmy Tarfuck says:

    Wahey! I know what you’re all thinking! Shocking, isn’t it? Absolutely horrifying.

    How the fuck did a talentless twat like me manage to have a career for 50 years?


    • 99
      Timmy Tin Foil says:

      In the case of the professional longevity of many of these “entertainers”:

      It ain’t what you know.
      It ain’t who you know.
      It’s what you know about who you know.
      And that they know you know about it.
      And that they not know jackshit about you, if you can manage it.
      And if you can’t manage it, to make sure they’re accomplices.
      And if they can’t be made accomplices, that they can still be made to look like some type of wrong’un, stitched up some other way.

      Just like in politics, innit?


  13. 25
    Gordoom says:

    Today I will be Emperor Rumpy Pumpy


  14. 28
    Rubber band says:

    Now Maggie is dead, people can claim pretty much anything about her private views.


  15. 33
    Tweet Tweet says:

    Mags bought into Maastrich with good intentions then saw right through it. Dave should have seen right through it by now. Even the Germans are making serious hints about getting out. Only a matter of time before that idea gathers momentum. Hopefully we will be well rid of the sinking ship.


    • 136
      Crapaud de Ville says:

      The Huns have finally noticed that all these pathetic bailouts are costing them dearly. Not long now. Vive la Revolution.


    • 143
      Anonymous says:

      No, Major signed Maastricht


  16. 34
    The Murdoch Mob says:

    Britain should become the 51st state of the USA

    That way it will just become irrelevant

    We hate the English like our Boss


  17. 45
    Anonymous says:

    No flies on Chris ;-)


    • 69
      Moussa Koussa Mark 8 says:

      errrrr files on your source James

      James Willby @JamesWillby

      That’s it? That’s our whole legislation programme for an entire year? That’s just … depressing. #queensspeech

      about 2 hours ago James Willby @JamesWillby

      Woah: what do you mean you’re going to “track Internet Protocol address” for public


      • 120
        The Liblabcon Organisation says:

        We want to track those who choose to visit sites like UKIP.


  18. 48
    Lord Stansted says:

    UKIP’s web-page isn’t loading. Sabotage or overloaded because of life’s losers rushing to join?


    • 54
      UKIP Bore says:

      Sabotage. Definitely. They fear us.


      • 108
        Welcome to Fail. Population: You. says:

        What are you talking about?

        Call Me Courageous, Nicky Liar and Ed the Invincable fear none!

        That is why they are on the television every waking moment promising they will listen and how lessons have been learned, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.

        And the trolling faithful are on every thread on every website trying to kick UKIP, using the nutters meme.

        Clue: In politics you have to win people over to your cause, not drive them away.


  19. 50
    Moussa Koussa Mark 8 says:

    LOL….Wait until she is dust, and then start peddling myths !!!

    Not fooling anyone Guido.

    Even if true ( which it isnt ), it would mean she was lying to parliament for years


  20. 52
    Maggie says:

    ‘Though’, he added, ‘now we have a
    situation where we have a prospect
    of no one party winning the
    election, I don’t know what she
    would think.’ A dilemma faced by
    many on the right.

    Get out of Europe & send the new immigrants back with a flea in their ear. Cut taxes and reduce governmental bureaucracy big time. Reduce the deficit/ debt. Sort out toxic hidden debts in the bank to get them lending again. Tell Europe to feck off with its bank tax. IMF can go to hell. Give England its country back.


    • 65
      Storm clouds over Camoron says:

      2015 the braindead will vote Liebour crap in and the rollercoaster will start again, only problem this time, is the brakes have been removed and sold off and so has the track


      • 71
        Maggie says:

        I don’t think so. I get the impression that the electorate is fighting for the heart & mind of England. Well, what is left of it. I mean Londonstan is the capital of England. ffs?


    • 137
      Viv L'Amour says:

      That’s the spirit. How about we start with our own English parliament, then all the Celts and others can bog off home.


  21. 58
    Moussa Koussa Mark 8 says:

    Total poppy cock

    The witch haunted Major for the first few years of his tenture…until the dementia hit 100%. She never shut the fuck up between 1990 and 1992 election…

    Keep quiet….total nonsense Guido


    • 76
      Tony Blair says:

      Yeah! Leave the current leaders alone. Don’t try and backseat drive.

      {pssstttt…Ed Miliband is taking labour to its electoral grave. Pass it on}


    • 84
      Fish says:

      It’ll be the same fort he next Man U manager with Fergie riding along in the back seat.


    • 146
      Fools gold says:

      Charlse [Iraq] Moore.Say no more


  22. 64
    Jimmy says:

    It’s certainly true she became more anti as her condition deteriorated. Not sure that’s your strongest argument.


  23. 77
    The Pope says:

    I would ask all people who believe in the catholic church to join the Anglican church.

    To all those who believe that Maggie went ant European on the day she left office (which sits nicely on Bill Cash’s knee) to kindly go and fuck yourselves in the head.

    You utter morons just don’t know just how fucking stupid you look sometimes.


  24. 79
    Moussa Koussa Mark 8 says:

    Come on Guido…admit it

    Weakest Queens speech ..errrrr ever

    15 Bills

    Two, Yes 2, of them are regarding HS2

    The Mesothelioma Bill

    And two others were bills carried over from last year..



    • 82
      Gordon the Medicated says:

      The Queen once read out 5,000 tractor stats that I had written down.
      Speech from 2009- part 1 of 18 hour speech.

      “The number of rotatory blades made in Sheffield rose 0.009% to a historic level in 2009. And the single edged clip folder sold 12,987 units to China adding £2,090 to our GDP. Coral levels rose by 0.95% to ……


    • 90
      Anonymous says:

      and a “Draft Consumer Rights Bill”

      Why bother when it is the government quangos that will not implement the existing laws. How can a quango continue to offer unfair contracts and all trading standards bodies refuse to do anything about them.

      Maybe the EU told them to do it, and like good little deserving boys and girls they obliged. Reality does not seem to get in the way of the corruption.


  25. 87
    Skinned alive says:

    Why does anyone take Dennis Skinner seriously? The man’s a joke. He’s got it into his head that he’s funny because of the attention heaped on him every year with his painfully unamusing one-liners before the Queen’s speech. He is of zero talent and ability and a spineless twat who went from being a gobby shite when the Tories were in power to an obedient poodle for Labour’s 13 years, never once asking a question about Iraq or PFI, back to being a gobby shite when the coalition came in. He’s got this undeserved reputation for being a maverick or rebel when he’s nothing of the sort. Labour told him to shut the fuck up for 13 years and he did as he was told. Just because he barks a few questions like a thug and makes the occasional pathetic joke, his acolytes think he’s a hero and the media give him coverage. The man is quite literally a waste of space.


    • 93
      Moussa Koussa Mark 8 says:

      One of the highest attenders in parliament

      Renowned local MP

      One of the lowest expenses

      Contributes to more debates in commons than any other MP

      One of the quickest reponders to public queries


      • 104
        Lord Stansted says:

        Well, he’s got f*** all else to do.


        • 112
          Welcome to Fail. Population: You. says:

          Didn’t Skinner promise to retire at 65 and let a younger person take over? What he was lying then too?


      • 113
        Anonymous says:

        Moussa likes politics without substance.
        Just being part of the tribe gets him off.

        Like a member of a gay club


      • 124
        The Sheikh Of Arabeee says:

        Is he fuck.

        He’s a complete fucking bellend Labour tribalist, a fucking nasty scumbag of a kneejerk Lefty arsewipe representing a town full of fucking inbred fucking dolescum who would elect a milkchurn full of rancid gorilla sperm provided it had a red rosette stuck on it.


    • 101
      Viv Dean says:

      Her’s an excellent constituency MP and actually bothers to attend the House. Compare his record with Gordon’s.


  26. 89
    Moussa Koussa Mark 8 says:

    Has Trevor been arrested yet !!!


  27. 94
    David Thatcher & Margaret Cameron says:

    No No No on renegotiations & Yes Yes Yes to a referendum.


  28. 98
    Owen Jones says:

    If David Cameron retires this year I’ll eat my own testicles. Not going to happen.


  29. 131
    To little to late says:

    Oh AFTER she left office ! Well that was fucking handy was it not. I mean she did fuck all about it when she was actually ‘in power’ .


    • 145
      Anonymous says:

      A bit like Major and Lawson too, eh? A bit fucking late to have a road to Damascus experience years after they ceased to have any influence in the country.


  30. 142
    Jack the Ripper says:

    1992 is 20 years too late. No cigar.


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