April 22nd, 2013

The Indy Pol Ed, UKIP and the Six Year Old Guardian Quote

Fascinating insight from the Indy’s political editor Andy Grice on Thursday last week:

“The wildcard on May 2 could be the UK Independence Party. The anti-EU party is consistently in double figures in the opinion polls and is fielding 1,001 candidates, up from 319 last year. Its best hopes are in Hull, Hartlepool, Stockton-on-Tees and West Wiltshire. Although Ukip says it would do well to gain more than 15 seats, it could prove a “spoiler” which prevents Tory victories, helping the Lib Dems in the South and Labour in the North.”

Though as Bloggers for UKIP point out:

“In actual fact, we have 1,734 candidates – up from 593 last time. Hull, Hartlepool and Stockton-on-Tees don’t even have any Council elections this year, whilst West Wiltshire council was abolished in 2009.”

Which is odd. It appears the Indy have tipped UKIP to do well in councils without elections and even in a council that has been abolished. So where did Grice get this dodgy information? It can’t have been from the UKIP website, that clearly lists which candidates are standing where.

Well scroll back six years and those figures and locations were more accurate. It was once reported that “Ukip is fielding 1,001 candidates, with its best hopes in Hull, Hartlepool, Stockton-on-Tees and West Wiltshire”, though not by Grice in the Indy, rather by Will Woodward in the Guardian in April 2007. Can anyone remember Grice getting into this sort of trouble before?


  1. 1
    Peter Grimes says:

    They all make it up, and most of it is bollox.

  2. 2
    Humma says:

    help help here come the bears

  3. 3
    wha yu wan says:

    Flied Grice.

  4. 4
    CarryHole is a massive Hunt says:

    Some councillor heard the LibDem vote was going to Bomb.

  5. 5
    Lefty Trash Rags says:

    Lazy sod.

    what is it with Indy and the gruniad that they can’t do decent journalism?

    And these twats had the audacity to look down on the NotW and the Sun at the Leveson show.

  6. 6
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:


  7. 7
    Lord Leveson says:

    This is why the press need regulating. They are utterly useless. Either withholding important details the public should have or giving incorrect information and misleading the public.

    The press needs whipping into shape with the full force of the law.

  8. 8
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    They are all copy & paste morons and plagiarists.

  9. 9
    Chuckas Yamoney says:

    Do unpaid interns outnumber regular staff at the Indy?

  10. 10
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    No wonder the Indy’s circulation is 60,000 and falling fast.

  11. 11
    Fruity Stew says:

    Jam is nice on Grice Pudding.

  12. 12
    4 the dark says:

    makeup and botox.
    the other side of dark is australia.

  13. 13
    Ian Wilkinson says:

    I propose a Public Inquiry…… Fancy charing it??

  14. 14
    Ian Wilkinson says:

    Chairing even..!!!!! LOL

  15. 15
    Moley says:

    Could this be what happens when you ask an unpaid intern to do research for you?

  16. 16
    6 in the dark says:

    leads to laftur.
    keep sixin away

  17. 17
    young Shep says:

    I hate lazy journalism, there is just no excuse for it these days, why it only takes 5 minutes of anybodies time to trawl the internet and then cut and paste the correct information to a word processor.

  18. 18
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    Staff outnumber readers. LOL

  19. 19
    Vote Conservative for unctr0lled immigration says:

    German anti-euro party AFD (Alternative for Germany) at 19%.


    Come on Fritz !

    LibLabCon troughers must be touching cloth all the time now..

  20. 20

    So many in the dead tree press are copycats, stupid or both.

    Here is something I spotted over the weekend. A Telegraph article written by a numpty:


    Here is the reason behind the news which the Telegraph article barely addresses:


    Interestingly both written by women. Only one of them has a brain. And the Telegraph are trying to monetise this complete crap! What a hoot!

  21. 21
    Edinburgh Junkie Shitty. says:

    Shurely shome mishtake!

  22. 22
    Phillip Schofield says:

    Actually it’s thre minutes.

  23. 23
    Phillip Schofield says:

    Or even three.

  24. 24
    jam dawn after butter up. says:

    lick the mouth wet and then stick the jam on.

  25. 25
    Hang The Bostards says:

    Is that the same toilet paper than that spunk stain wringing got Owen Jones writes his shite for ?

  26. 26
    nellnewman says:

    He sounds like he’d make a really good reporter for the biased beeb. They don’t bother about truth or accuracy either.

  27. 27
    Edinburgh Junkie Shitty. says:

    The Tele is usually good. I prefer it to rest of the pap that is out there.

  28. 28
    young Shep says:

    The “correct” information takes Fiv minutes Philip.

  29. 29
    CarryHole is a massive Hunt says:

    Good job all that QE is stimulating the economy so we can afford the expensive oil and food etc…

  30. 30
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    I hate to burst your bubble but AfD are on 3%.


    Merkel’s CDU/CSU is headed for an easy victory in September.

  31. 31
    SomeoneElse says:

    UKIP now claims that they have over 300 branches across the UK.

    One UKIPPER has said UKIP HQ recently told him that it was ok to form a branch that consisted of just him and his wife! He was told to do this as “it would look good to the voters and press” as it would give the impression that UKIP was growing at a tremendous rate!

    And it’s rather strange that the Electoral Commission list just 270 branches for the party!

    Celebration of a supposed 300 branches might be a little premature as there are still outstanding new branches to be registered. It’s been a quirk of UKIP’s for several years that new registrations are almost invariably accompanied by losses of existing ones, the most memorable being an occasion in 2008 when it was noted that registration of 55 new branches had been outstripped by the loss of 62 old ones, resulting in a net reduction of 7.

    To put the figures in context, there were 246 registered branches in July 2005 and there are now 270. When doing random occasional checks between those dates I have added up a total of 187 newly registered branches and 163 lost branches, resulting in a net gain of 24 over nearly 8 years. If UKIP is indeed claiming now to have 300, we shall need to see another 30 appear on the Electoral Commission’s website very shortly, with no losses.

  32. 32
    Om Tare says:

    Buddhism is ok.

  33. 33
    John Ward (Medway) says:

    This is what might be called “the Grice of failure”…

  34. 34
    Tay King-dePisse says:

    “The wildcard on May 2 could be the UK Independence Party. The anti-EU party is consistently in double figures in the opinion polls and is fielding more than 1,700 candidates, a record number and three times as many as 2009…”

    As it was viewed, cut and pasted by yours truly at 13:42– amended, no doubt, but with no Hat-tip to anyone for pointing out the original mistake.

    UK journalism at its finest.

  35. 35
    NobodyElse says:

    Job well done. Good for you.

  36. 36

    Soliloquy for Churnalists.

    To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
    There are creeps in this bloody place
    To the last sounbite of recorded editing,
    And all yesterdays news has highlighted fools
    The way to plagiarism
    Out, out, news brief!
    Journalism’s but a walking shadow,
    A poor payer of interns,
    That cuts and pastes their ‘news’ upon the page
    And then is read no more:
    Today’s news is a tale
    Told by idiots,
    Full of sound and fury,
    Signifying nothing.

  37. 37
    Moley says:

    Have you got Branch and membership figures for Labour, Lib Dem and Conservatives too?

    Figures for one party in isolation are meaningless.

    How many members have Labour, Lib Dem and the Conservatives gained in the last year?

  38. 38
    Con Artists says:

    That was 6 months ago muppet.

    R E A D the link..

  39. 39
    Angela Merkel's Panzers says:

    Slovenia is next for ze bailout.
    You heard it here first.

    Vot levy must ve be charging on ze private bank accounts?
    12% tax is good , Ja?

  40. 40
    Con Artists says:

    Someone Else
    you appear good with numbers, so how many Romanians and Bulgarians do you think will come to the UK ?

  41. 41
    P C Dixon says:

    What a Pratt

  42. 42
    The man at the back in the awful jumper - yes you sir says:

    Extraordinary how Bill Shakes managed to write about the state of our press all those centuries ago, and to use words like ‘soundbite’ hundreds of years before it was invented. The man must have been a genius – or The Doctor…

  43. 43
    Dave says:

    Erm..well..I think this year is a little bit down on 2010 membership. And that’s disappointing. But with the euro crisis and mid term blues and erm..the rise of UKip..erm , no..not that..i mean that is having no effect on us at all..no erm..none.
    And I shall be going to the EU to beg! I mean really, really beg that they at least pretend to grant me some sort of compromise, to show that UKIP has no effect on us, Isn’t that right Ed?

    Quite so Dave. I am in no way worried about UKIP. And I’m perfectly happy to ignore them completely. I shall be making a speech next week called “Bloody foreigners commin’ over ‘ere and takin’ our jobs and takin’ our ‘ouses” just to show that UKIP has had no effect on Labour policy.

  44. 44
    doran doran says:


  45. 45
    Phillip Schofield says:

    So that’s why I got it wrong. I’m relieved, really. I thought I had made a complete twat of myself because I have been immersed in a sea of vacuous, inane drivel for so long, that I was only capable of “entertaining” vast swathes of pre/post menopausal housewives, and therefore incapable of anything resembling investigative journalism.

  46. 46
    young Shep says:

    But soft!, what light through yonder windows (8) breaks, tis the East and Juliet reads the Sun.

  47. 47
    The man at the back in the awful jumper - yes you sir says:

    Just to let you know that I live in west Wiltshire (not West Wiltshire) and that our town of Westbury has 3 UKIP candidates! I shall be voting for as many as I can get away with.

  48. 48
    Gordon the medicated says:

    Alas, poor Derek! I knew him, Horatio: A Drapper fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy: he hath borne me on his back a thousand times;

  49. 49
    Anonymous says:

    Part-time amateur journalists – get back down the wine bar you pathetic nonses.

  50. 50
    Anonymous says:

    Song for West Wiltshire, West Kington actually, or is it just inside Gloucestershire? On the border there anyway,

    Quite bonkers, yes?

  51. 51
    young Shep says:

    Don’t mention the Scottish @ play.

  52. 52
    Bollocks to getting a pseudonym says:

    It’s a shame they’re not anti-EU. That would make a pleasant change in European politics, but expecting German politicians to be anti-EU is probably a bit optimistic.

  53. 53
    Bollocks to getting a pseudonym says:

    Don’t you mean coming to England? Let’s be honest, they’re not going to the other countries in the Divided Kingdom, are they?

  54. 54
    Sodbury Sid says:

    West Kington is in Wiltshire.

  55. 55
    JH324-9238423-9 says:

    Everyone was sneering at Beppe Grillo, until he came very, very close to winning the Italian election.

    Bubbles burst, indeed.

  56. 56
    davo says:

    west Bury, shurely?

  57. 57
    Anonymous says:

    Is it west, or north? But it is near the Glaws border – I was right in saying that, wasn’t I?

  58. 58
  59. 59
    The man at the back in the awful jumper - yes you sir says:

    Er, up to a point, Lord Copper. Bury isn’t in Wiltshire, although it could well be by the time the Boundary Commission has finished trying to fix the next election. No, the last time I looked I definitely lived in Westbury, which I much prefer to west Bury (I went there once by accident).

  60. 60
    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    UKIP only show so highly in the, long ago proven horseshit that pass as opinion polls, because the media clients who pay for them want that narrative.

    Quoting opinion polls is as reliable as asking a politician for an impartial point of view. You might find a certain amount of bias involved!

  61. 61
    PC 54 says:

    Caesar adsum jam forte (or so it is rumoured)

  62. 62
    PC 54 says:

    I suspect that very many of them are pining for the Marks, rather than the Marx.

  63. 63
    PC 54 says:

    Wasn’t West ‘Buryed’ by a large explosion a few days ago?

  64. 64
    Vote Conservative for unctr0lled immigration says:

    I agree with you.

    All the opinion polls are shamelessly biased against UKIP and consistently under report UKIP support.

    It’s only in the last 6 months that UKIP has been honoured with a first choice on questionnaires instead of being relegated beneath a sub menu in the “others” section of voting questionnaires.

    Also in Eastleigh none of the polls predicted UKIP would do as well as they did because they were all shamefully rigged by the legacy LibLabCon and their teat sucking sycophantic press. It was only in the last 24 hours they changed their tune slightly when they realised that continued denial was frankly embarrassing.

  65. 65
    Vote Conservative for unctr0lled immigration says:

    But AFD will be in parliament…

    In the UK the Limp Dems might govern in another coalition with say 8% ?! of the 2015 vote (a truly disgusting turn of events), whilst UKIP win 20% of the vote.

    However in Germany if 20% vote for “Alternative for Germany” then AFD get 20% of the 600 odd seats in the Bundestag under their Mixed Member Proportional voting system.

    The UK probably has the least democratic voting system in Western Europe.

    P1ss poor.

  66. 66
    How many Grands can one editor play? says:

    The Indy, Guardian and BBC are useless at journalism.
    Copy and paste, stealing stories from decent hacks who actually
    bother to go out and find them.

  67. 67
    Andy Grice says:

    Look, it’s The Independent – they pay me a pittance.
    I’m pissed/on drugs most of the time.
    You can’t expect me to cut & paste with 100% accuracy.

  68. 68

    So much information, which is not always reliable, so let us hope that when the time comes next month, that UKIP will actually poll enough votes to make an impact. Sadly, I do not have a vote as we do not have an election covering my village!

  69. 69
    Chris The Leatherman says:

    A little bit of a non-story as no-one reads the Indy.

  70. 70
    Bollocks to getting a pseudonym says:

    Karl Marx or Groucho, Chico and Harpo?

  71. 71
    Cynic says:

    Brutus et erat. Caesar sic in omnibus; Brutus sic in at.

  72. 72
    archiepo says:

    The explosion caused a billion poundsworth of improvements!

  73. 73
    They're all running scared says:

    There must be elections coming up, the lefties and the Tories are fabricating stories, spreading misinformation about a party which as yet hasn’t got a single MP in the HoC but listening to the needs and worries of the electorate.

    Huffpo is trying to make UKiP look like a bunch of loons by printing stories written by inadequate fools such as Will Black, stories which don’t hold up because of misquoted rhetoric often taken out of context and twisted, I am surprised that the mainstream press is also doing the same thing, amateurish pap.
    Kevin Maguire also resorts to this kind of smear campaign against UKiP by trying to make NIgel Farage look like an inadequate fool, unfortunately he misjudges his audience, a typical champagne socialist who will appear on a pathetic morning show with a sycophantic presenter.
    The people of this country are finally waking up to what the political classes and their sycophantic journalists have done to this nation, they should be bloody scared, we have had enough of arseholes screwing with us and ripping us off and that includes the EU troughers.

    The LibLabCons are so worried they are trying to appease the people with false promises of better control of borders, jobs for the citizens, more power to self govern which has been taken from us by unelected EU bureaucrats.
    If the promises aren’t feasible the left will just try their best to besmirch UKiP by calling them Racist, Xenophobic Islamophobic bigots.

  74. 74
    They're all running scared says:


  75. 75
    They're all running scared says:

    I went and Googled €unts, imagine my surprise when the results popped up and the first thousand pages were just pictures of career politicians, the political elite and champagne socialists.. George Galloway, Polly Toynbee, Kevin Maguire and Owen Jones all had several hundred pages of their own.

  76. 76
    Anonymous says:

    So who is the crank?

  77. 77
    But... says:

    …the Indy stole it from … The Guardian, so they are decent hacks? Does not compute!

Seen Elsewhere

Users of Gay Hook-Up App Grindr Infected | TechnoGuido
ISIS Raising Funds Online Using Bitcoin | TechnoGuido
UKIP’s Youth Challenge | BBC
ISIS Operative: This Is How We Send Jihadis To Europe | BuzzFeed
Shapps Defends Bashir Defection | Seb Payne
Tory Leadership Contenders Jostle Over Europe | Alex Wickham
Cutting Taxes is Good For You | Art Laffer
Suspects Will Now Have to Prove Innocence | Laura Perrins
Labour Cllr: Cops Shouldn’t Stop Petrol Thieves | HandF Forum
Creeping Cultural Acceptance of Anti-Semitism | Eric Pickles
Time For Greece to Leave Eurozone | Allister Heath

Rising Stars
Find out more about PLMR AD-MS

Boris on British Jihadis. Apparently based on MI5 intel:

“If you look at all the psychological profiling about bombers, they typically will look at porn. They are literally w***ers. Severe onanists. They are tortured. They will be very badly adjusted in their relations with women, and that is a symptom of their feeling of being failures and that the world is against them. They are not making it with girls, and so they turn to other forms of spiritual comfort — which of course is no comfort.”

Tip off Guido
Web Guido's Archives

Subscribe me to:


AddThis Feed Button

Guido Reads

Get every new post delivered to your Inbox.

Join 1,716 other followers