April 4th, 2013

WATCH: Guido v Owen Jones on This Morning

Worth reading what Osborne has had to say this lunchtime as well…

UPDATE: You can watch in full here.


367 Comments

  1. 1
    Seaman Sta1ns says:

    Are You the new Jimmy Savile Guido? Sitting on Sofas with smally boys.

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      Gay Fawkes says:

      fuck off, he’s far too old for me

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      • 236

        Loony lefty Owen is upset that a tragic human story has been hijacked for political ends

        I nearly fell off my chair at that piece of arch hypocrisy – it even made Sun reporter Guido Mallen smirk

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          Did I hear right says:

          190,000 have 10 or more children on welfare and that said like its ok and to justify Owens argument .

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          • I listened again and he did say that says:

            Lets have the unemployed on benefits figure to include the children so we can all see what we are paying for ,190,000 with MORE than 10 kids is what 2-3MILLION deep tents

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          • Owen's maths teacher says:

            I like the way owen forgot to add the thousand to the 190 when he referred to the people who had more than 10 kids on benefit. I am sure he was just so busy making the point he forgot to be clear. I mean he doesn’t make many points just repeats more loudly the one, benefits is good.

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          • Did I hear right says:

            Dependants not deep tents is it Guidos cheap software or my bad spelling

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          • Esseph says:

            190, not 190,000.

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          • Who was it in the Labour Party who said he wasn’t very good at maths at school – should have been all of them except Liam Byrne you knows an empty bank account when he sees one.

            Owen’s argument comes down to one point – people who rely on benefits vote Labour – simples

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          • Prescott's chipolata says:

            190 or 190,000. Either way I think we should be told what proportion of them is on benefits.

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          • Fanny Adams says:

            And what about all the families that have 9 or more children
            those that have 8 or more
            those that have 7 or more
            those that have 6 or more
            Shall I go on??

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          • Anonymous says:

            No 190 have ten or more children.

            That’s like, what, 1 in 8,000?

            Owen was saying that these cases are very rare and it’s wrong for the gutter press to find the most extreme example of welfare abuse and present it as somewhat typical.

            Owen nailed Guido’s ass to the wall.

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        • 280
          UB40 says:

          I have to say Guido lost that one until the very end. You should have punched the little turd.

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          anon says:

          It’s a pity that such an intelligent person has become so misguided,Owen Jones will never see other’s point of view and will never learn because his mouth is always open.Little shit

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      • 313
        Harriets Rabbit says:

        Owen Jones really is an advocate for post natal abortion. He really is a spoilt little socialist twat who is given far more airtime than his minute intellect warrants. In a more civilised country (Singapore?) Philpott would be dancing on the end of a rope!

        Guido, nice put down at the end but do recommend the Dukan diet (as a fellow FB)

        Keep up the good work exposing these wankers

        Cheers

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    • 43
      bukkake says:

      is that a grey patch or did neo fawkes cum on jingly fawkes’ head?

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        Squawk Box says:

        It’s a present from his not so tame Booby the Gull

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          lojolondon says:

          The filthy little trolls are out in force, methinks Guido is doing it right!

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          • Temujin says:

            Well he is not wearing his old ruby shirt on the TV for once, his new paymaster has told to smarten himself up, he works for NI now so he must be presentable. Not sure about the coiffure, cost him some though £20/30, I wonder if the kids still recognise him.

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          • lojolondon says:

            I guess Owen does – his arse must still be hurting this morning!

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          • One eyed bart says:

            Owen Kicked your ass mate, you can’t debate for toffe.

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          • Anonymous says:

            I’m not a troll but Owen won. Owen clearly won because the facts are on his side. Owen (as Guido said) complains about the excesses of capitalism in the same way that Guido complains about the excesses of welfare abuse.

            The difference is Owen would never say that a banker who committed murder was a product of capitalism or a product of banking.

            Guido trying to claim that this man is a product and result of having a welfare state just didn’t seem to standup.

            Well done Owen Jones.

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      • 159
        Simon Bowel says:

        Stick to the blogging or employ a body double.

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      pissed up 'oirish' jingly kosher cocksucker says:

      oy vey! will no one think of the poor chosen by god billionaire bankers having their multi million bonuses stolen by indigenous scum job seekers on £60 a week and childrens benefit of £13.50 a week? when will this persecution of the special ones end?!

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    • 96
      he's got a badger for a head says:

      the stuff Guido the champion of free speech and bastion against spin edited out is further down this thread.

      totally owned by Owen Jones. shameful.

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      • 182
        Peter's Second Cousin says:

        Absolutely. Guido was shown to be wrong within the FIRST 2 minutes of the interview. I wonder if Guido will give just as much prominence to millionaire law breakers like Murdoch’s bestest mate Brookes when the trials start. Or will the bloated one try to pretend the trial isn’t taking place?

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      • 217
        Charlatans says:

        Such a shame the no ethics Ali Campbell school of trolling appears to have joined in this thread. But of course, on here, most regulars will have already spotted that. The mere fact that these slavish socialists never ask the obvious serious question of would these six children have been killed, without the welfare state subsidising such a lifestyle choice is not answered by any such pea brains.

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        • 273
          sickofmorons says:

          So we should scrap the welfare state in case other kids get murdered? Nobody puts their kids in danger to get a bit more welfare except criminal nutters. Nothing to do with the welfare state.

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    • 158
      Tellitasitis says:

      Owen Jones is a Guardian reject and a precocious sprog

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        he's got a badger for a head says:

        yes he is. but he still turned over Guido.

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        • 199
          Sherlock Holmes says:

          Well Watson; at least we now know where all the pies went.

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        • 212
          Temujin says:

          You can tell Guido is preparing to become a politico, you those who he says he hates, he is trying to talk over his opponent, it’s ok to argue like that in beer students meeting but not when debating on tv or anywhere else, that is why Question Time and Any Questions puts folks off politics because you can not clearly hear either one properly.

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        • 216
          Owen Jones says:

          if you think right-on faux outrage and shouting over Paul Staines to just keep promoting excessive welfare dependancy is turning over anyone.

          Claiming disabled people are being attacked in the street is utter nonsense.

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      lojolondon says:

      Nice one, Paul, you are 100% right.

      I must say that Philip Schofield (?) must have plans to move to the BBC of Radio 4, he is such an annoying little commie, always taking the Liebour / helpless line.

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      lojolondon says:

      The question is – is the welfare state to blame for these 6 deaths? Conversely, would these deaths have happened if there was no welfare state? I think there is no doubt that Guido was right – when a normal working person wants to have a child, they have to calculate that it will cost them over £100k to the age of 18, excluding expensive schools and universities etc. However, for Philpott, each child BROUGHT him in a load of money – £20 per child per week brings him 18k per child over 18 years, for 17 kids it totals £318k at current rates. So he was highly financially motivated to have more kids under his roof. The loss of his ‘income’ and the potential for a bigger house were specifically mentioned in court as strong motives, indeed, the only motives for the fire.

      Now, if Al Capone earned money by extortion and killed people to protect and improve his business income, then we would say that the people died because Al Capone was protecting his revenues.

      Likewise Philpott earns money by from welfare and killed people to protect and improve his business income, then we should say that the people died because Philpott was protecting his revenues.

      So unfortunately, I think we can safely say the welfare state system caused not only these 6 deaths, but probably their lives as well, in the first place. What a tragic state of affairs!

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      • 331
        Anonymous says:

        I must be simple because you have just said what it seems guido was trying to say, but the shouty, faux offended one just kept acting like Guido was saying something else. I find this sort of TV/politics a very sad indication of the general public :-(

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      • 364
        Joanne says:

        Philpott actualy killed his revenue so wasn’t to gain in revenue haha that analysis shot down in flames, plus I’d like to say that I’m a very hard working mum on benefits so my children better watch out for I may slaughter them for an advantage in my revinue….lol.

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    • 279
      Guido Owners Club says:

      Guido Owned by Owen

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        Drink driver Watch says:

        Yep defo

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      • 333
        Mad Jock MacMad says:

        Kebab shop owned by Guido.

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      • 353
        Owning? says:

        Owen Jones did the usual socialist trick of throwing in scads of numbers and percentages without ever really answering the point in question. He had a lot of speaking time and made sure he could raise as many pointless issues as he could. Costa Coffee in Nottingham job applications? Sorry, boy, what was that to do with it.

        So Owen owned Guido? You think? If owning is throwing in useless facts then he was winning.

        But Guido was talking, in case you missed it, about personal responsibility for having kids. Philpott and any others like him had no such responsibility for a reason not a million miles away from the fact that it paid to do what he carried on doing. Kids were the source of income for him, so therefore, if you remove that source would there be the kids?

        I am sure Owen minor wouldn’t want to think about that question.

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    • 365
      Fatboyslim says:

      Never realised you were so fat Guido. Been overdoing the expenses paid lunches?

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  2. 2
    Owned Jones says:

    I am dead from the neck upwards.

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  3. 3
    cjcjc says:

    Are you vast or is Jones tiny?

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    Anonymous says:

    The diet ain’t working, Guido.

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      Ginsters says:

      He loves pork pies.

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        twatson & prezza says:

        All your pork pies are belong to us

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          Tom says:

          You may eclipse him in shadow comparisons but I’m sorry to say it Guido, Jones 100% had you there.
          You’re a good sport putting your spanking up for us all to see though.

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          • Temujin says:

            Tom, do you think is Guido losing his touch, to attack all people on benefits ticks all the boxes with the far right of the Tory party but it puts off middle of the roaders, still Guido trying to make name for himself switching from Dirty Des to the Dirty Digger, but the Sun and others have lost a lot a lot of credibility over the phone tapping, and other nefarious activities.

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          • Tom Jones says:

            Any right thinking person can clearly see philpott is exactly a product of Labour’s welfare shambles. Owen Jones just merrily skipped around the questions about what should be done to prevent people like philpott being allowed to fleece the system. He didn’t have one answer and just resorted to ad hominem shouty shouty pretty much like Labour’s shadow front bench. If you don’t have any real answers yourself just shout over your opponent lots about ‘disgraceful discrimination’ and ‘demonizing’.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Claiming that the subject has been hijacked is labours way of saying they do not want to talk about welfare,simple

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      • 351
        Dave Whelan says:

        He loves to watch Wigan every other Saturday

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    Westminster Intern says:

    Seeing that we’re judging people’s lifestyle choices, I was quite shocked by that chin of yours Guido!

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    P C Dixon says:

    Owen Jones – what a nasty little creep -

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    • 21
      Anonymous says:

      you overrate him.

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      Anonymous says:

      Has that childish person ever made a life and death decision? Has he ever been threatened or negotiated his way out of a conflict. Has he ever compromised for the good of a third party. Is there anyone that could swear they could depend on him in a crisis?

      No because he has never lived outside his imagination. At that age I knew many facts and ideas that made me very productive in a work environment, but I knew nothing of life. It took 5 years to realise there was a real life, and 15 years to discover it.

      I imagine that I will need another 10, or so, years of experience before I could say I have something to offer, other than regurgitated views, in the area of social engineering.

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      • 87
        Steve brinkley says:

        Anonymous?
        Why not call yourself “Coward” instead?
        You must be an old, haggard, lifeless creature to resent someone young with some good arguments allied to “get up and go”.
        Do yourself a favour and get out more, yellow belly.

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          Edna in Clapham says:

          Steve Brinkley – Wisdom comes with age – you can’t change that and should accept it.

          Jones doesn’t understand what people mean by linking Phillpott and his crimes to the benefits system. He is totally getting the wrong end of the stick and misunderstands the issue.

          People like Jones are dangerous idealists with very little knowledge of the real world other than living in poor areas to write his book. How can people like him have balanced view? He sounds like a bigot to me and a bit of a know all. He should show some humility.

          And why are you so angry and abusive?

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          • Don't give a shit about LieBore, UKRAP or the Limp Dumbs etc... says:

            Steve – you sound like someone afraid of the dark, so you’re whistling loudly to cover it up. Mostly out of your ars.e.

            Owen Jones is lightly manicured, spin-preened and airbrushed-to-appeal to the left leaning loons and is obviously working SOOO hard for his Labour Party nomination and to be anointed to walk the halls of power. Oink, oink!

            He’s actually a strident and pathetically annoying little cun.t who I would gladly kick seven bells of shit out of…. and he can bring you as his second if you like.

            By the way – I score about twenty six on the PCL-R. Do us all a favour and go and be a sissy boy troll somewhere else where you don’t get your bluff called.

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        • 152
          Anonymous says:

          Why, I have only just come back!

          If he talked about his actual experiences maybe. But he talks about issues for which he cannot have endured anything similar. How does he believe he knows solutions when he was not even born in the miner’s strike. How can conflicts that are generationally ingrained be criticised by some that has not even observed a generational belief change.

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        • 257
          HenryV says:

          Young? He is 28. There are men younger than him fighting and dying in Labour’s war in Afghanistan. Get up and go? He writes shit for a living. All he has to do is switch on a laptop and trot out the same crap that probably got him an MA in that most useful of subjects American fucking History from a terribly politically neutral Oxford, not . Trade union lobbyist and parliamentary researcher? Really? Do you equate that with being a doctor or a nurse, an engineer, scientist, or servicemen. That’s real work. What about doing 8 hours in a crap job to make ends meet? The reason why so many despise the ponce here is that he spouting the same dogma that the Left have been spouting since WW2. And time after time after time after time it has been shown to be flawed. If the the tosspot gets a Labour seat and worse makes it to minister you can bet he will be dodging tax, giving favours, and feathering his own nest like all the Labour scum. If anybody needs to get out more it is you and see the damage socialism has done to this once great country. You fucking worthless twat.

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          • Graham says:

            Spot on. A 38 Smith & Wesson would be the best way to get rid of the piss-brained little Hunt. Fits in well with useless twats like Miliband, Balls, Cooper, Harman, Byrne, Burnham and the rest of the Liebour scum.

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        • 284
          bertie basset says:

          fuck off stevie you pleb

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      • 229
        Anonymous says:

        Who is that irritating little twerp Jones?

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        Pundit Too says:

        I found it wonderful and very amusing when Owen Jones wittered on about the 6 children not having a life or falling in love etc etc when he looks and acts like their slightly older brother.

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    • 187
      Big Dunc says:

      Guido what a nasty fat creep

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    yosser hughes says:

    what a pair of freaky looking people.

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    No such thing as society says:

    That fat Hunt would probably benefit from being on the dole he’d have less money for pies to shove down his neck.

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      No such thing as society says:

      One these gentleman isn’t quite as brave with his views when not hiding behind a PC.

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        GC says:

        Dickhead oh sorry “no such thing”, from what I saw he gave that little creep plenty of time to spout off his verbal diarrhea just like a normal lefty, speak over anyone, don’t give them a chance to answer back, raise your voice to cut out any dissent and when you are treated the same way resort to bullshit and bluster! He has been well taught! Actually you are right about your title, there isn’t such a thing as society anymore!

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    Own Jokes says:

    So Mick Pisspot goes from a life on benefits to fifteen years in prison, funded by Taxpayers. This is what lefties mean by ‘ Cradle to Grave’

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      Punishment? What punishment? says:

      Prisons should be renamed holiday camps, as that’s what they are. Free TV, books, video games, internet, DVDs, gym, 3 hot meals a day, front of the queue medical care (Myra Hindley never had to wait on any waiting list, she was always given first class medical care).

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      • 140
        Tay King-dePisse says:

        Fat lot of good it did her, dying at age 60 from the effects of too much fag smoking for about 50 years. At least we can be consoled with the thought that it isn’t always just the good that die young.

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        Old Lag says:

        Perhaps in prison they will find him exciting enough to go dogging with him?

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      Piers Hue Stefan Wyhekamist-Fiennes-Waldorf O'Meara Morgan says:

      Squalor, Ignorance, Want, Idleness, Disease

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    Anonymous says:

    Game, set and match to Owen.

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      No such thing as society says:

      Yep.

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    • 28
      Anonymous says:

      behave! Jones thinks noise = debate.

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    • 38
      Anonymous says:

      lol. I think you need to watch it again – and take the earplugs out this time.

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      Edna in Clapham says:

      10 – really? Jones didn’t come across well at all – he sounded a bit mad and obsessed.

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      BBC = Brainwashing says:

      Err.. no.

      Never have I seen Jones come across so badly: a defender of a vile, scrounging piece of scum (despite all his protestations to the contrary) who manipulated the welfare system and everyone around him, and all the while Labour were in power.

      Well done, Guido. You’d have to be as thick as two short planks not to see Jones for the pathetic, out of touch Marxist he really is in that interview.

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  11. 11
    Biff says:

    Jumped-up little toss-pot of a schoolboy

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    Anonymous says:

    Well said Guido

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      Anonymous says:

      very selective editing Mister Fawkes, you mean…..
      That is not how I remember the discussion ending…..

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  13. 13
    yosser hughes says:

    ‘i’m not saying everybody is like philpott who is on welfare’ but nudge, nudge thats what i really think…

    eat less pies Guido, you are about to become a burden on the NHS you despise..

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    P C Dixon says:

    Oh Dear Guido – much as we love you – got to loose some weight!! – but nice to see you getting loads of publicity – needed with all the left wing publicity given to Leaveson.

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  15. 15
    Anonymous says:

    you twat guido you got ruined. disgrace that you are misrepresenting those who value the welfare system and use it properly

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  16. 16
    Anonymous says:

    Proof you cant defend the indefensible you lost that boute Guido.

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  17. 17
    Anonymous says:

    You are awful to use this very sad story to justify benefit cuts

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    golli says:

    You should’ve slogged the repulsive gobshite on da nose

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    Mathers says:

    Owen likes to choose his stats – benefit families with > 10 kids. Hmm, how about benefit families with > 3 kids ?

    Nice to hear his solution to welfare is do nothing at all. But they are his core vote. Lovely. Labour have moved from the party of the working class to the party of the welfare class.

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    • 49
      Anonymous says:

      My thoughts exactly.

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        Tory Fat Cat says:

        Labour is the party of the welfare class – you mean the working poor? (because most welfare recipients are in work or retired).

        I certainly hope so.

        The Tories remain the Party of xenophobic net curtain twitching middle-England. And Essex cabbies of course.

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          Mathers says:

          The dilemma of the left is that if they moved the poor out of poverty (surely what the poor want) they’d all vote Tory. So they must sustain their core vote at all cost, and they certainly did that whilst in power.

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          • Vlad the Loudhailer says:

            If the Labour frontbench undertook the new BBC Class calculator test all but Andy Burham would be in the Elite Class.

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    Anonymous says:

    You let that little creep take over.

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      Anonymous says:

      basic schoolboy tactic. make a lot of noise and talk for as long as possible thus stopping any counter-argument.

      It also helps when the interviewer is onside – he should have been sacked for his last big fuck-up over his mate Savile.

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    farjeon says:

    Re your question about stopping benefit fraud. Why doesn’t the government target benefit fraud, instead of wasting public money targeting everyone on benefits?

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  22. 26
    Anonymous says:

    What happened to the rest? I saw it live, and there was at least another minute left, Whats the matter Staines you worried your point was a loser?

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  23. 27
    Jakes says:

    Guido is turning into a typical Tory. Fat bloated suit wearing muppet.

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    Paul says:

    Well, Owen totally trumped you there!!

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    Guido. Your message is good but I often cannot hear your delivery, especially at the end of sentences where it can become garbled. Please consider some voice projection tuition together with breathing improvement. It will make this sort of situation much more effective, surely the whole point of doing it in the first place.

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      A hospital patient says:

      +1

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      Applecart says:

      I’m inclined to agree Guido. That creep Jones goes on and on, and if you patiently wait for him to finish he’ll take way more than his fair share of interview time. His type can never get enough of the limelight.
      What you say is excellent, but you don’t grab aggressively enough your chance to say it. Invest in some media tuition. Most of the frontline politicians consider this money very well spent and so should you. Your reasoned and quiet tone of voice is excellent in civilized company, but unfortunately works against you when the likes of Jones set out to shout you done. These lefties … they don’t like it up ‘em, that’s why they get so hysterical when challenged effectively. You must get advice on how to make sure you have your fair share of speaking time and, most importantly, tuition on how to be as dominant in the studio as you are in print.

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      • 242
        Anonymous says:

        I think the whole country would have cheered if he’d just twatted Jones. He’s without doubt the most insufferably annoying, socialist c*nt it’s been my misfortune to encounter and believe me there’s strong competition for that title.

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          PC Wonk says:

          What Guido should carry is a very small but very powerful loudhailer and when people like Owen Jones scream and shout ad nauseum, pull it out, turn it on, point it at the victim, and shout out SHUT UP YOU LEFT WING IDIOT.
          It will bring the house down.

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    Owen Jones says:

    well that started badly for me and ended up that way!

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    Sir blab a lot says:

    That young lad on the sofa seems to adhere to the “if you can’t get a word in you have no argument” school of reason.

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    weird says:

    cuts off at the end there a bit?

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    Precarious Prole (before today known as P l e b) says:

    Ah This Morning that fount of journalistic magnificence. Was their chief investigator Mr Schofield there?

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    Anonymous says:

    Where is the conclusion of the interview?

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    Mick says:

    Nice editing at the end. I’m afraid Owen Jones destroyed you there – even with the dodgy edit

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    Tuscan Tony says:

    Yes, but why is there a six times life sized model of a spacehopper in Guido’s chair?

    No, wait a minute…

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  33. 44
    Sir blab a lot says:

    Did you find Holly’s assets a distraction?

    I doubt I could manage one coherent Sentence sitting across from those balloons.

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  34. 45
    Precarious Prole (before today known as P l e b) says:

    To be fair 15 years is more than enough time to have Philpott liquidated.

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    Working class hero. says:

    The freebies given out to Philpot were the catalist to this tragedy. Owen Jones pretends to know the working classes. The working classes hate the likes of Philpot and his ilk because they live amongst these parasites and witness their behaviour on a daily basis. Why is Owen Jones given so much air time ?

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    • 128
      Geordieboy says:

      Because he is a LEFTIE Socialist Arsehole.

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    • 354
      Old Yoof says:

      Owen gets a lot of air time because he never says ‘um’ or ‘er’ and can be counted on to have a bunch of useless, irrelevant facts to throw in to keep the pot boiling. The boy makes ‘great television’ because ‘great television’ is essentially tripe.

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    Matthew Pearson says:

    You got your arse kicked there Guido… kicked good and hard.

    Owen Jones had facts and figures, and the best argument. You appeared out of touch, and with no reasonable points to make in return.

    Next time you are asked to appear with him, you need to do your homework…

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    • 63
      Roger says:

      spot on – fucking shambolic Guido, you were basically shitting yourself. Get some balls (or some media training), get some facts and get f**king better.

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      BBC = Brainwashing says:

      Owen Jones had facts and figures?

      You mean, the ones he makes up?

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      Old Yoof says:

      Facts and figures that still don’t answer the basic question. It was a classic case of obfuscation, like laying a smoke screen, and avoided facing the issue.

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    Latchmere house says:

    I’d like to see jimmy debating with Phillpot, live on air. Can’t help think it would be an even match and pretty hard to call.

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  38. 55
    Broken Britain says:

    Owen Jones writes for the only newspaper that supports statutory press control. It figures. He’s a deluded fool.

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  39. 56
    Anonymous says:

    What an edifying spectacle!
    Guido, you got owned.

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  40. 57
    Anonymous says:

    Why did you cut the last minute off, Guido?

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    Tron says:

    O.J. wins most of the time on TV.
    Guido needed 3 or 4 killer facts not just repeating “17 kids.”
    I can’t stand the little prick but he is good at what he does.
    He will be on our TV for many, many years and I’ve never seen anyone on the right who can match him.

    The only person who got the better of Jones was Brillo because he used facts.

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    scfthomson says:

    Why is the end cut off? Is it an even more clear demonstration of the absurdity of the argument that being on benefits contributes to killing children?

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    • 66
      weird says:

      am guessing the champion of liberty, guido ‘badgers head’ fawkes has censored it as he looks a plonker.

      i’ve not seen the end myself so if someone could confirm.

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      Mathers says:

      In the same way having benefits cut didn’t contribute to the riots (which Labour loved to hint at).

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  43. 67
    Ginsters says:

    Is Guido related to George Lucas?

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    • 167
      Buddy Hackett says:

      I keep telling you people, he’s my son, from an affair I had with an English broad in the late 1960’s– here’s what Guido will look like, a few years from now:

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  44. 70
    Precarious Prole (before today known as P l e b) says:

    Guido is toast

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  45. 71
    Derek Wilson says:

    An illustration of the narrow minded hateful rhetoric of Toryism, what an odious slob spouting bile in the face of tragedy. There is no morality behind the political stance, it’s a cost cutting exercise and nothing more, the majority of people on benefits are fully deserving of them, don’t fall for the divide and rule bullshit spun by the media and that cartel in the big house. Dark times.

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    • 77
      Blue Eyes says:

      The welfare bill is now almost equal to income tax.

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      • 88
        Derek Wilson says:

        Declared income tax.

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      • 94
        Murdoch Mouthpiece says:

        worth mentioning that the vast majority of the welfare bill is pensions and in work benefits

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        • 141
          Derek Wilson says:

          @DerekBrianWilso: @Redpeter99 There are over a million pensioners with access to personal liquidity of over a million, who still receive state pensions ? Fuel allowance free tv license etc ! Surely this should be stopped, ah but hold on; then the Tory’s lose the grey vote. None of this is about what is moral its all about votes and staying in power to increase personal wealth and increase the disparity between the rich and poor.

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        • 155
          Joss Ayinglike says:

          But the vast majority of these pensioners have paid into the ‘system’ for decades. Liebour’s leeches lie on the sofa all day doing sweet FA.

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          • Derek Wilson says:

            Ah, so it’s ok to hit everything that benefits the majority, education, NHS, welfare for the unemployed and the poorest and therefore the economy, but when it comes to hitting the wealthy few it’s hands off ?
            Have a word .

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      • 119
        Andrew Fucking Mitchell says:

        The welfare bill is significantly more than income tax. It is income tax and a third of VAT.

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      • 125
        Owen Jones' bigger brother says:

        Welfare £210bn, tax take £150bn.

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    • 95
      Mrs T says:

      Benefits are the taxes paid by people who work. No one is “deserving” of them.

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      • 106
        Derek Wilson says:

        Ah, so if you are made unemployed through no fault of your own, you don’t deserve help from the system you’ve paid into ? Haha. Fool.

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        • 327
          Andrew Fucking Mitchell says:

          No one is suggesting that someone needing some help in their hour of need. Taxpayers object to supporting scroungers for life.

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  46. 72
    Blue Eyes says:

    Judging by the comments, not a lot of work getting done in public sector offices today. No change there then.

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  47. 74
    Adam says:

    You’ve been telt there.

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  48. 75
    Steve brinkley says:

    Oh dear fatty,
    Absolutely rinsed by Jones. Your arguments were poor, your body language was poor, your ideas exposed, it goes on and on…..
    Pathetic man!

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  49. 78
    mrsshitrit says:

    I thought for a brief moment it was a new “jim l fix it” with Owen Jones waiting for his little red badge.

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  50. 81
    he's got a badger for a head says:

    i think the funniest bit of this is that Guido is being taken to school on his own website.

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    • 100
      Steve brinkley says:

      Absolutely. He’s a barrack room lawyer, principled beyond reason until he’s challenged to offer real arguments in public.
      Only a “scum” newspaper reader would even consider anything he said bearing any resemblance to reality.
      Too many pies, not enough facts…..

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  51. 82
    The Silent Majority says:

    The nation supports severe crackdown on spongers.

    IDS is too soft.

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  52. 83
    The BBC are cunts says:

    Owen Jones is a nasty piece of work.

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  53. 84
    paddybriggs says:

    Well done for posting this Paul. I think Owen was on very good form and that you we reasonable in your response. You are very wrong on this issue but only the “having sex on a snooker table” was a really cheap shot. Anyway as I say well done for posting it.

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    • 260
      philpott black says:

      aimed for the brown
      missed and sunk the pink
      you get nothing in this game
      for ending up in the stink

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    • 288
      BBC = Brainwashing says:

      Heaven forfend anyone should have a ‘cheap shot’ at this animal who is responsible for the death of 6 innocent children.

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  54. 86
    Anonymous says:

    What Guido cut off.

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    • 93
      he's got a badger for a head says:

      can’t think why he cut that off.

      oh yes i can, owen pwned him.

      stay off TV guido, you are rubbish

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      • 146
        Cameron is a liar says:

        I just watched it and errr… what are you talking about? Owen Jones’ whole argument collapsed when Guido pointed out that the inheritance case was indeed about a financial motive. In other words even in Jones’ example the wickedness of the crime should not be seen in isolation.

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    • 129
      Casual Observer says:

      The original Philpott stabbing occurred under a Labour government.

      Social Services apparently withdrew from the family in 2000: Labour ward, Labour government.

      Associating Owen Jones as a supporter of a child killer is the best option, and is just desert for his exploitation of dead disabled people a few weeks back, and his current attempt to capitalize on the deaths of these kids.

      To a casual observer, the politicization of this criminal case demonstrates quite clearly a serious sickness which exists in UK society at present.

      Reform of the welfare system to curb the excesses is important and long overdue.

      The straw man army which Jones threw up has not hidden the central point which Guido made and others have noted:

      Why does a situation exist where society supports a guy who hasn’t worked for 20 years have 17 children ?

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      • 169
        Red Ed's non-predator union bosses says:

        Because it’s a great vote-winner which passes from generation to generation.

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        • 202
          kebabmon says:

          It was mentioned on another thread that ‘benefit babies’ are not a new thing. Philpott is the grotesque example that tips the issue over the edge (give them enough rope…).

          Over the years successsive gov’ts have been to scared to tackle the problem because of the ‘think of the children’ mindset. Restricting benefit to two kids will help, but will not solve the problem. One kid still pretty much guarantees a paid-for roof, bills paid and cash in hand.

          Its isn’t a subsidy…

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  55. 89
    Fatty Cowl says:

    Pwned by Owen Jones of all people. Ouch!

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  56. 90
    Frank Carson says:

    Guido walks into a pub. The barman says “Why the mong face?’

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  57. 91
    Ed Balls - Shallow Chancer says:

    Want to be a life-long Liebour supporter ?

    Start here:- http://bit.ly/XrpWX9

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  58. 92
    Murdoch Mouthpiece says:

    Oi Jabba the hut

    You appear to have ‘accidentally’ edited out the end of the discussion where you were further made to look like the bloated Tory establishment useful idiot you are.

    presumably an ‘error’ on your part?

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  59. 97
    Cameron is a liar says:

    No prizes for guessing where Phillip Schofield’s sympathies lie on this issue.

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    • 306
      Face the Facts says:

      Guido must be doing something very right in attracting so many Labour Party trolls to his website trying to diss it.

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  60. 98
    Yewtree if you want to says:

    Any 65 year old celebrity living in Somerset?

    A 65-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of sexual offences by police investigating the Jimmy Savile abuse.

    The man was taken into police custody on Thursday morning, police said.

    His arrest comes under the strand referred to as “others” by investigating officers from Operation Yewtree, meaning he is unconnected to the Savile abuse.

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  61. 99
    Anonymous says:

    Sorry, but Guido got owned. Amazed you put this up on your own site… would have thought you’d pretend it never happened and move on. Overreach on stories like this is going to lose you the public support you have had on welfare

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  62. 101
    Jimmy says:

    Fair play to you for posting it. That was a worse duffing up than Michael White gave you. And you even bought a suit.

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  63. 105
    Owen Jones' bigger brother says:

    I admire my little brother’s consistency. He’s always consistently on the wrong end of the argument and public sentiment. P.S. I’m really enjoying my job at Costa in Nottingham.

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  64. 109
    Ginsters says:

    Why are there so many anonymongs posting today? It doesn’t take that much effort to come up with a monkiker.

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  65. 111
    vAN zANDT says:

    The left – always with their noise and banner waving solutions. How did we get to the point where OJ has even a smidgen of credibility. The North used to produce people like Morrissey and Marr who articluated a (personal) politics in a few verses, choruses and gee-tar riffs which is a 1000 times more intellectually coherent and realistic than OJ the kid. He needs to get a proper job.

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    • 126
      Steve brinkley says:

      Another coward poster….

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    • 291
      BBC = Brainwashing says:

      Jones has credibility because the BBC has given him a platform over and over again. A platform to spout the political viewpoints which it espouses. All very convenient.

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  66. 112
    Anonymous says:

    Oh well hats off to you for posting yourself getting your ass kicked.

    Still not a surprise considering your argument was utterly vacuous.

    Maybe you need to leave the scum for the daily heil ?

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  67. 114
    HenryV says:

    I can’t abide Jones. I can’t watch it.

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  68. 115
    Andrew Fucking Mitchell says:

    You should have jumped on the point this little twerp was making that this was a disgusting man who has to take personal responsibility for their actions. How many times have we asked for people to be held responsible for their actions when the bleeding heart liberals blame everyone else. Remember that quote Jones it will come back and bite you. Cock!

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  69. 121
    Bazinga! says:

    To correct Owen Jones once again. Pensioners have to PAY INTO THE SYSTEM FOR 40 YEARS. If you don’t pay in you don’t get a pension out.

    That’s not true of most other benefits.

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    • 162
      Resident of 96.99% white Merseyside says:

      Yes, I paid into my pensions for over 40 years. But hey, my benefits really are the icing on the cake.

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    • 233
      Truth said says:

      This is correct but they have brought the number of years down to thirty now.

      The State Pension should not be classed as a benefit, sadly those who have lived on benefits for years and have not paid in still get money but it is called something else.
      The ther reason we are suffering in this country is due to being over populated, far too many immigrants, this of course was done on purpose by the Labour fools deliberately trying to remove the indigenous people and turning this Country into a multicultural melting pot.

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  70. 124
    Stop the War Coalition (but we will rename ourselves Start the War if North Korea wants to nuke USA) says:

    A shout out to our comrades in North Korea.

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    • 357
      Kim Young On says:

      Sadly they can’t hear you above the racket their little fat man makes shouting about making war.

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  71. 126
    Bazinga! says:

    Owen Jones and the left are happy to demonise ALL bankers as evil.

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  72. 133
    The Joke Man says:

    How many SWP members does it take to change a lightbulb?

    One to do the screwing and 12 committee members to accept his word that nothing of the sort happened.

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  73. 134
    Owen Jones says:

    You can watch the bit that the well known Libertarian,Guido Fawkes cut out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ubqD76wPLo

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  74. 135
    Bazinga! says:

    Have to say the camera should have spent more time on Holly, she is rather fit.

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  75. 136
    Guido Fawkes says:

    I think Daily Mail’s holding company is Rothermere Continuation Limited … reg Bermuda … the tax haven. A Vile Product of Tax Welfare?

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  76. 143
    nellnewman says:

    Well I never listened to it but I suppose owenjones said something like ” if only we’d given the philpott’s £120000 a year instead of £60000 a year we could have stopped this tragedy. The fault here lies with a benefit system that is not generous enough”

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  77. 144
    The wind of change says:

    The tide is turning. Even the BBC News just said, in its headline, “a case that’s raised questions about the welfare state”.

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    • 151
      he's got a badger for a head says:

      I think Daily Mail’s holding company is Rothermere Continuation Limited … reg Bermuda … the tax haven. A Vile Product of Tax Welfare?

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  78. 145
    FreedomFrom says:

    That Jones chap sounds like a true champion of the individual. Bravo Sir.

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  79. 148

    Owen was spot on the money, especially the bit about how our government have in my view sadly and I hope innocently (though as Cameron stood up in the House all those times are inspired division it does make you think) incited hatred in the hearts of many towards those on welfare. Fuelled by the press. Push a wheelchair and you will notice the difference in attitudes.

    Equally though Guido is correct in that the welfare system at its extreme end has gone to far, but Osborne has sorted this (gee I have actually complimented him, that wont happen too often – but on this one credit where it is due) with the benefit cap.

    The welfare system does need reforming, it is the how it has been done and the speed of it that is causing the societal fracturing and that is something that could develop very fast if it get ingrained too far into people hearts. This is why I have invested so much time in getting our government to think so that they realise the dark road that they have gone down when they stand up and set one group of society against another and create division. One day in the future (5,10,15 years away) when society has had time to pause and reflect you never know criminal charges may be brought against some members of our government for inciting such hatred. (history is after all repeating itself).

    That all said welfare does need reforming, and I fully support the government in this, I just disagree with the hows and the speed.

    Remember I worked my way as a broken child out of a broken home in a council estate through university when it was tough and into the global professions (Price Waterhouse), I have ran my own business and I have had that very difficult choice that Norman Tebbit wrote sympatheticly about in the Telegraph last week, of having to choose between work and caring. Since then I have lived of welfare. Now your changes might mean that I end up loosing my wife. And as I have recently been diagnosed with a spinal condition one day I might end up disabled myself, and quite frankly seeing what disabled people are experiencing at the moment that fills me with dread.

    In brief Guido you are right but you are also so so wrong on this specific issue.

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    • 157
      Concerned about the debate says:

      👏👍

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    • 163
      Bazinga! says:

      I do not believe for one minute that people have turned against the disabled. It’s typical alarmist nonsense from the left and the BBC.

      The truth is the welfare state is out of kilter, the fact 900,000 people came off the disabled register rather than face a medical shows the problem.

      Yes, the Tories were to blame for sticking them on that in the first place to massage the unemployment figures back in the 80’s but Labour took it to a new level for 13 years.

      Again, I point out to the left that we are broke, we owe 1.3 trillion pounds, we spend 50 billion in interest payments and we’re still borrowing 120 billion a year. Not to mention all the hidden off book debt.

      Why don’t you lot get that?

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      • 170
        stewart edwards says:

        I push a wheelchair and see it.

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        • 213
          Kevin T says:

          Are you sure? I see a hardening in attitudes recently, people more surly and defensive. That happens in a recession. Why assume its aimed at you? I’ve seen no anti-disabled campaigns in the press. Anti-scroungers who have 10 kids with no job, anti-foreigners who come here and sign on, sure. But anti-disabled? Last August the disabled were practically canonised in the media.

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          • Yes I am sure, it is noticeable. I am also fairly certain that a baroness was on telly a while back talking about people spitting on disabled in the streets. Other working disabled people have reported being abused while commuting to work for being skivers.

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      • 172
        he's got a badger for a head says:

        according to many disabled people themselves, there has been a change in attitude towards them from the public. this constant drip drip of abuse of disabled people etc in public life, which is now turning in to full on labeling them all as scroungers is obviously having an effect.

        you may of course find this acceptable.

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        • 200

          It is exactly (at a conceptual level) what happened in Germany n the 1930s, and look where that ended up. Our government hopefully mean well but they in my view have allowed darkness to penetrate this nation which is disgraceful in itself, but if it gets out of control it could become a beast that wrecks this nation. Any MP who doubts this ask MI5 they must have some experience in how people are motvated.

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  80. 161
    Alex Salmond's Fat Belly says:

    Sorry. Does Own Jones think that 10 children is the hard limit for welfare recipients? Given that Philpot had 17 kids why choose to cite “over 10″?

    I have 2 [expensive] kids, lets have the numbers for families over 5 kids Owen eh? I suspect it won’t be that neat a number that can be spouted in defense of the indefensible.

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    • 165
      Alex Salmond's Fat Belly says:

      42,000 families on benefits have 5 or more kids.

      Interesting number.

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      • 299
        BBC = Brainwashing says:

        Funny that Owen never mentioned that statistic. 190 sounds so much better, doesn’t it? How he loves his statistics.

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  81. 166
    Keir Hardy Boy says:

    I can’t stand Owen Jones.

    But he gave you a going over there Guido.

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  82. 173
    Jimmy's Fun Fact Of The Day says:

    Google search indicates that this is the first time the phrase “Worth reading what Osborne has had to say” has ever appeared on the internet:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Worth+reading+what+Osborne+has+had+to+say&rlz=1C1AFAB_enTC522TC522&aq=f&oq=Worth+reading+what+Osborne+has+had+to+say&aqs=chrome.0.57j62l3.2283j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&rlz=1C1AFAB_enTC522TC522&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22Worth+reading+what+Osborne+has+had+to+say%22&oq=%22Worth+reading+what+Osborne+has+had+to+say%22&gs_l=serp.3…0.0.1.153.0.0.0.0.0.0.347.347.3-1.1.0.crnk_ir..0.0…1..8.psy-ab.TbvwPEqDiws&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44770516,d.eWU&fp=2b177f6faa2d09cb&biw=1366&bih=667

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  83. 175
    Harbourmaster says:

    I don’t like or rate Owen Jones.

    So if he gave old Guido a spanking then what does that say about the arguements from the Right?

    I’m more used to gentlemen such as Paul Krugman exposing their unsubtle, heuristic thinking.

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  84. 180
    Pawn Sandwich says:

    Where did Owen Jones get the data (109 families with more than 10 children)? Are the government databases open to private individuals?

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  85. 183
    Mark says:

    How do you stop people abusing the system? You can’t. It’s an irritating but unavoidable fact. Either you bite or teeth and give welfare to people abusing the system, or you don’t and reduce 20 children to poverty. I know which I’d prefer.

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  86. 184
    Bluto says:

    I see the Owen Jones Fan Club and Twitter Posse is out in force.

    Like the Labour party and their fellow travellers have never used “extreme cases” to further their political agenda.

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    • 204
      GC says:

      Agreed but just like the scorpion and the frog they can’t help themselves so they give the game away right away making a nice big target for everyone else to focus on :) Yum Yum!

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    • 304
      BBC = Brainwashing says:

      Twitter is where the BBC goes to find out the political views of ordinary people, don’t you know? They don’t care about the views of the millions of Sun readers or Daily Mail readers, because they are, of course, wrong. The only political opinions that count are those of the left-wing ‘comedians’ and ‘celebrities’ on Twitter, whom the BBC worships and employs.

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  87. 186
    Anonymous says:

    Well Guido,

    and your 2 counts of drink driving was the result of what precisely?

    The fact you never killed anyone because of it, is pure luck I guess. So when are you gonna champion the removal of driving licenses for ever if caught driving whilst under the influence, and if caught again a long prison sentence?

    You are the product of what exactly Guido

    didn’t think so

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  88. 189
    Anonymous says:

    Bit cowardly to cut out the last 3 minutes…

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  89. 190
    Hugh Avonalaff says:

    Jeez Geeds. The little commie ran you ragged.

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  90. 193
    Anonymous says:

    Owen Jones stats were a little selective. People with more than 10 chldren = 190 What is this the 1930s. How many people in work have more than 10 kids and what proportion of the UK total is that. It should be how many people on benefits have more than 2 kids which is the average.

    Secondly you pointed out that Labour did nothing about this in power and let people like him claim for 17 kids – his answer benefit fraud is only a small percetage yadda yadda – this wasn’t benefit fraud at any point so it would not come into the statistics.

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    • 203
      GC says:

      And how many kids are in a two parent household be that male female, male male or female female, I doubt the kid will grow up straight in the latter two but at least it offers some form of stability and yes there will always be an exception to the rule like Philpot but he was a three + Friend household so not what I am refering to.

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  91. 194
    Jim Davidson from the 80s says:

    what a fatto!!

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  92. 210
    Pleb with wife and 1 child says:

    Guido…the blog’s good but leave it to the likes of Andrew Neil to obliterate the scum.

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  93. 218
    Magnolia says:

    Well done Paul.
    At the point where he accused your attitude to welfare of causing increased attacks on disabled people in the street, you might have interrupted his ‘stream’ of flow to point out that dealing with the gross abuses will give welfare back the good name that it should have etc.
    I advise you to ditch the rim-less glasses. Rim-less glasses don’t ‘disappear’ in to the face but instead make it look older and duller. I would suggest some strong frames (think M Gove or N Robinson) or perhaps try half rim-less to give your face more definition and character. Strong glasses are a good prop to give weight to your argument (think Hugh grant character in 4 Weddings and a funeral) and to hide behind if there is any (understandable) performance anxiety.
    Mr Jones is a motormouth and needs to be interrupted even though that is (of course) rude.

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  94. 219
    Anonymous says:

    It’s as bad as when Mounsey got owned by Brillo. Embarrasing Guido!

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  95. 228
    DISABLED SCROUNGER says:

    OWNED BY OWEN YOU NASTY LITTLE MAN!!!

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  96. 234
    Owen Jones Mother says:

    I’m so proud of my Owen.

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  97. 235
    Jim says:

    I can’t watch that vile little snot Jones.

    How has Schofield still got a job? No wonder he’s not saying much about benefits – if justice had been done when he was waving his bit of paper around, he’d be claiming them himself now.

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  98. 237
    Johnny Norfolk says:

    Why are lefties allowed to talk and talk and hog all the time. Very poor chairmanship.

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  99. 239
    Owen Jones says:

    This just the start of me leading the Communist revolution in this country.

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  100. 240
    Truth said says:

    Owen Jones is a loud mouthed little Knowitall and had it not been for the darling of the Left would most probably have been a benefit scrounger as well.

    He is wrong about the state Pension being a Benefit as the greatest majority have paid in for it whilst the likes of Philpott have not and never will pay into the scheme but he will still get large payouts in benefits, it is time to stop ALL benefits to everyone and means test everyone so that only the genuine people do actually receive them. Labour will shout about cutting benefits because that is how they get votes, most folk who vote for Labour are mostly claiming benefits of some kind, it is time that folk got off their arses and tried to improve their lot by hard work education and promotion instead of complaining that about those who have actually acheived something.

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  101. 243
    Phil Jeffery says:

    So pray tell….why does your clip cut short? Was it because you were made to look like the rambling Hunt with a single politically expedient line of argument..you never did answer the question about inheritance btw!!

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  102. 245
    nellnewman says:

    Oh sorry I have to +++Laugh+++

    Have just read a comment that says austerity cuts have caused extreme prejudice to grow against the disabled and this government is committing similar crimes towards sections of the community in the same way the na z i s targetted the j e w s.

    Firstly I am raising a disabled child and have never had anything but kindness and support.

    Secondly I belong to a swim and gym club where we have several severely disabled members who pay their subscription and their carers to bring them from their welfare payments . They are warmly welcomed by all of us.

    Thirdly , my old piano tuner iss blind but works full time and those of us who use him help to keep him in employment by providing his transport.

    To say there is any prejudice against genuinely disabled people in this country is hysterical nonsense!!

    And in conclusion the J e w s were a very intelligent, hardworking community who looked after their own and accumulated savings from their work ethic. The n a z i s tried to eliminate them so that they could get their hands on their wealth. The 1930’s shoha has nothing to do with the need for austerity cuts here of the out of control welfare state that labour created in the hope it would keep them in votes and in power for a lifetime.

    The only similarity between the two events is how the n a z i s and our labour party have used communities , in different ways, to bolster their own power base.

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      nellnewman

      Assuming that it is my post you are referring to, read it again, carefully, you are taking me out of context. Take a breath and read my words again, carefully. I may have sloppily put my last comment against a comment specificly on disability but I think it is fairly clear that my words as a whole refer to welfare, not disability specificly, except where I have specificly mentioned it.

      Now that said I am very happy that you have not seen this, and I agree swimming pools are a place which are very supportive. Couldn’t agree more with you on this.

      However, and I do admit this will depend to a degree on where you happen to be, but there is a noticeable difference even pushing wheelchairs around supermarkets between a few years ago and today. If like me you do this daily, you do see the differerence in attitudes.

      Fortunately my wife has not suffered the worst of it, but there are plenty of reports of disabled people being abused in various ways simply for being disabled. As I say I am happy this has not happened to you or your daughter, or me and my wife, but it does happen. It might be one of those things that you only really notice once you are confronted by it head on.

      I truly hope that you are right and that I am wrong or suffering from “hystical nonsense” as you put it. I write what I write in the hope that it offers pause for thought, before social fracturing gets out of hand, and if it does at least I will be able to say that I tried to speak up against the social fractures. Which I think is better than having done nothing. Hopefully though our government and press will get their act together a bit better and reform will happen without the injection of so much fear and misunderstanding.

      Debate and reform are good, setting one sector in society against another (eg hard working decent people ve what? Someone who lost his job through government policy changes being unable to find another and so somehow no longer being decent???), injecting fear into the hearts of people (see eg Panorama) or giving the impression that people on welfare are all lording it up, are wrong. This is teh result of forgetting the moral in the fable of the hare and the tortoise and of the law of unintended cnsequences. I expect our government to evolve our nation not inadvertenly break it.

      I once was a Tory party member and have a lot of sympathy with what our government are trying to do, I just think that they have screwed a lot of things up and are doing a lot of fire fighting to spin it all away.

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        nellnewman says:

        I do not believe that the necessary austerity cuts currently being put in place will result in a fracturing of society or the abuse of genuinely disabled people or others genuinely in need of welfare.

        I don’t actually believe those who continue to abuse the system like the philpotts, and there will always be some, will encounter much hostility either.

        I think it has been shocking to see figures of 900,000 people ceasing to claim disability benefit because they know they are not entititled to it and will not get through the very sensible medical checks now in place, which should have been imposed by labour years ago.

        Labour , because of militwit’s incompetence, now find themselves on the losing side of the Benefit Cut argument and as a consequence their arguments for no cuts are becoming ever sillier, shriller and more hysterical . Comparing the cuts to the 1930’s Shoah is just one example of their idiocy.

        Most people as the polls are showing 60/70% accept that the austerity cuts are necessary and that welfare has been grossly abused by far too many claimants whilst labour either encouraged or turned a blind eye to it.

        Labour need to wake up, get out of their elitist westminster bubble and get in touch with reality.

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          Remember newwellman as Panorama has explose UK doctors and nurses have resigned in disgust and one assessor trainer was videoes stating that the work is “toxic” and that if you can push a button once you are fit for work. Once I tell you – ONCE.

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  103. 246
    Maureen Sheen says:

    Fuck all this political and child killing shit.

    Holly. Is. Fit.

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    igiveup says:

    The middle-class(+) examples that Jones gave all, like this Philpott case, had MONEY at the root of the problem. Easy access to benefit money was the pot of gold for this particular scum-bag.

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  105. 256
    Pallas Athene says:

    Well said Guido, I admire your forbearance in not slapping that little co******er’s face.

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    Anne D Burnbum says:

    Fellow lefties.I hate to say it but i think we are on the wrong side of the benefits argument.It looks like we support the scroungers .Anyway it keeps the 1200 dead in Mid Staffs on Labours watch out of the news.x

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  107. 261
    D Ardron says:

    There is prejudice against disabled people and in particular towards people like myself who have no outward signs of disability. I have no wheelchair, no absent limbs. All I get is what’s wrong with you? You’re not disabled! The Paralympic Games did wonders for physically disabled people but were a curse to me! The likes of Philpott and other fractions of a percentile of benefit recipients have merely fuelled the ideological fire of this Coalition Government to stigmatise those reliant on the Welfare State predominantly through no fault of their own. Many are or did pay into the system, I did so as both an employee and an employer. I paid National Insurance in case the worst should happen. Would you expect Royal Sun Alliance or Liverpool Victoria to turn around to you and say, sorry we have had to make cuts, we are not paying out what we said we would? Didn’t think so and that is your money paid in premiums. So what’s the difference? All I hope is that none of you ever find yourselves in this position, because you might be frowning on the other side of your faces then!

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      Anne D Burnbum says:

      Philpott was’nt disabled.He was just low life vermin and a great advert,as much as i hate it,for cutting benefits.What about the 900,000 who mysterously avoided being assessed for incapacity claims.It’s making life easy for the tories.I would’nt be surprised if Lynton “bing”crosby was behind it .x

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  108. 263
    SCUSEMEQ says:

    What a f###### self righteous little tosser that Owen Jones is. The wrong question is being asked here anyway. Did the Welfare State cause the deaths? No. Did it facilitate them? YES

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  109. 265
    Martin Kinsella says:

    Owen 1 guido 0

    Poor how guido.

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  110. 267
    Anonymous says:

    Owen Jones is speaking for millions of oppressed welfare trapped citizens who are finding their lives turned upside down by deluded Tory Toffs. Also, turning this murder case into a political point scoring exercise is beyond contempt. The Tories have already patronised the nation with their PR at Morrisons this week, but this kind of point making clearly displays how COMPLETELY out of touch with people they truly are and always will be.

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      Anne D Burnbum says:

      Sadly anon i dont think he is.We’re on the wrong side of the argument .Ask someone at your local tonight and see what they think.Bloody tories have outflanked us on this.x

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        Anonymous says:

        The Tories do well on short term populism, but when it comes to the election they are screwed. No money, no prospects = no Tory government in 2015.

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      Mr White says:

      Owen Jones doesn’t give a shit about people on benefits or the six children killed.

      More people on hand outs = more Labour votes, and that is what he cares about.

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        Anonymous says:

        A somewhat cynical reply. Owen Jones is well read and does actually care about the nation. Read his book and repent your sins.

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          Reality says:

          Read his book – what book – nursery rhymes?

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          John Bellingham says:

          Are you the same prick who is defending Jones on The Independent Website ( the only one that is)?
          By the way, do you know that your IP address shows up, even if you post using a dodgy e-mail address?

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  111. 272
    les says:

    I have to say I was surprised it took you a while to open up with the little fella – you must know if you let him talk too much he won’t stop.

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    yorkshire lass says:

    Fully agree with SCUSEMEQ, couldn’t have put it better myself. Owen Jones should learn some good old fashioned manners and not resort to shouting like a small child having a tantrum. The presenters Phillip Schofield and Holly Willoughby were totally useless in controlling what should have been an interesting discussion of a major news story. Shame on you, This Morning!
    Phillip, Holly – stick to Dancing on Ice.

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  113. 276
    Disco Biscuit says:

    Owen’s wearing more foundation than usual

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    Cath says:

    All I heard from Owen Jones was the usual leftie screech, which is normally used by such people when they know deep down they are on the wrong side of an argument. What normal perwon could hand on heart not see that this Philpott was out to get as much free living (and loving) as he could. And the welfare system helped in securing his life style. I can pretty much guarantee that had the system not given money for each of his 17 children he would have never been part of their lives, which if that had happened those 6 young children would have been alive today. It is so terribly sad, and the system has to change.

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      Anonymous says:

      Why the label? Why a leftie? Why not a caring, passionate young man who wants to effect change? With respect, you cannot guarantee anything about anyone, and to insinuate the benefits system caused this person to commit murder is utterly flabbergasting. Seriously.

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        HenryV says:

        Caring? The only thing Jones cares about is himself. He doesn’t want change he wants to continue the status quo. What a prick you are.

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  115. 286
    Jack the Ripper says:

    Owen is right. The welfare state is blameless in this. After all, who could have foreseen that a selfish, irresponsible, dangerous scumbag who luxuriated in state generosity for years, would turn out to be even more selfish, irresponsible and dangerous than he was before?

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  116. 294
    Anonymous says:

    Has Guido had a stroke or has his face always been that strange?

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  117. 297
    Owen Jones Ex-boyfriend says:

    guido next time you see owen ask him to give my kylie cd’s back.

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    paolo di hitler says:

    fick’s sake guido, after a poor start it all went downhill. The little trot shit savilled you right over. In saying that, the gray haired diddy and the dizzy bint weren’t exactly on your side. I tell you, a million a year and I’d be a socialist too.

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    Anonymous says:

    Owen handed Guido his ass. Owen is right, the tabloids find the most extreme disgusting example and pass it off as common, hysterical nasty bullshit so sell moronic gutter press rags.

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    Wayne says:

    Tltled init.

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  121. 310
    John says:

    Of course it was the offensive Own Jones who was using the “deaths of six little kids for political capital”

    He really is a nasty little fucker. No shame at all.

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    Man From Mars says:

    Well I score that
    Young articulate bloke with lots of figures and coherent argument -8points
    Fat sweaty bloke in ill-fitting suit and stupid streak in hair – 2points

    Guido should get some tele training – he just comes over as a smug prat even when he has a point

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  123. 315
    Anonymous says:

    Owen jones is a weapons grade platinum plated tosser. His views are pseudo intellectual mental illness and his only goal is to heckle and wind people up. He should stop wasting his and every one else’s time and do something productive with his life that can actually benefit others. Maybe he should move in with Mary Beard

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  124. 316
    Lord Webb says:

    Owen Jones rules, he kicked ass.

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  125. 320
    Anti Fanny says:

    Does anyone know where I can get that grey jumper Owen was wearing from? I really like it thanks.

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  126. 323
    Moron Watch says:

    I noticed JK Rowling is a welfare state product and Philpott one Army product

    go figure

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  127. 325
    Diogenes' Kat says:

    Jones is an enemy of Socialism. Like the Labour Party he seeks to conceal those who abuse the Benefit system. Any decent Socialist would tell you that each member of society has a responsibility to contribute to society. The benefit system has been wrecked by the Big Labour Giveaway. Jones perpetuates the same lies and is no different from the other chatterati in that he will seek any opportunity to pour forth his ignorance and tabloid sound bites.

    Come back little boy when you have had experience of the real world instead of cosying up to your Labour Party Oxbridge mates.

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  128. 326
    Darth Farage says:

    Wow. Fat boy got absolutely slaughtered by that little boy. That must be why he hides behind his keyboard. Stay there, real face for radio has guido.

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    Jim says:

    Owen won the argument hands down. Owen had all the relevant facts and figures at his disposal.

    Guido, when losing the argument, filibustered him at the end and I thought he was an advocate of free speech.

    Osborne was very unwise to make the comments on this case. He broke the convention that someone in his position should not make comments on individual cases. He is already on the slippery slope and this just makes his position worse. Now he has to have the likes of Guido having to jump in to defend him.

    Also, the Daily Mail has proved once again that it is a rag and maintains its position in the gutter.

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    Jack says:

    Guido totally demolished.

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  131. 337
    beep says:

    Well, that settles it.

    The Tory party (and its fat arsed cheerboys) are the NASTY party.

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  132. 338
    Anonymous says:

    You’re so fat. You’re not too poor to afford gym membership. Take some moral responsibility for your gluttonous degeneracy. Get down the gym and workout.

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    Anonymous says:

    Owen Jones actually has a point for a change. Bit too much slagging off of the welfare state guido old fella.

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  135. 342
    Jim says:

    I’ts laughable that the Daily Mail makes such undiscriminate attacks on benefit claimers when they (the journalists and the owners of the paper) are not a good example of how people should conduct themselves.

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  136. 343
    roversfan says:

    Well done Guido for persevering and making your case. I’ll give Owen Jones credit for passion and articulation but I’ve noticed a trend in his polemics which is to pick out spurious and apparently relevant statistics to fog over questions of principle.

    Whatever the number of benefits claimants with families in excess of 10 kids, the point is surely to be made – as you did- why start or add to a family when you can’t support it from your own resources? If people continue to do so, any fool can see that that decision is at the very least likely to be encouraged by availability of a free system of support.

    It was also just as obvious that Philpott saw the benefits system as a cash cow. He may be evil but his evil was encouraged and fed by the system.

    Lastly, I thought the two air heads from ITV were totally lacking in impartiality and let Jones steal far too much of the available time.

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      Pip and Holls says:

      To be fair Holly doesn’t really get much of a say. She’s more or less guided by Peedofinder General Philip and politics matter less to her than then plumping up her mams and getting her hair done. Misogynistic but sadly true.

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  137. 344
    Willer says:

    You did well in my view. Clear concise points made in a calm manner stick in the viewers memory – such as the one about This Morning having Mick Philpott on their program, simple but brilliant. The short rant you had at the end wasn’t so clever – it was as if you were trying to give Owen a taste of his own medicine. People naturally dislike anger and distrust exasperation. Owen may be able to give a more fluid verbal tirade but all he succeeded in doing was parodying himself.

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  138. 345
    leigh richards says:

    ‘like watching an autopsy on a live man’ was how sly stallone described the shocking holmes – ali fight in 1980….difficult to think of any other expression when viewing this ‘debate’…..owen jones dissected poor corpulent old guido on live tv in front of millions…..i thought the tv networks had rules against excessive portrayals of cruelty?

    And for goodness sakes guido take some time away from the keyboards and get some exercise…or youll be joining that other foaming at the mouth’ deranged right wing blogger andrew breibart in blogging hell….

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    Owen's tweet brigade says:

    Owen crooks his tiny, barely formed finger on his Twitter feed linking to this and his lefty shill brigade come thundering in.

    I’m sure they all have that one single epaulette too.

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  140. 352
    Tom tWatson says:

    The biggest problem with Owen Jones is that he overwhelms any conversation, not by coherent argument, but by not listening at all to anyone and continuing to blabber none stop. If there was ever a half decent control of a panel by a moderator such as Brillo, then he would be stopped in his tracks and fluster his way into oblivion.

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  141. 360
    Nigel Farage says:

    So when it is exposed that Gary Barlow avoids tax the Tories cannot comment on individual cases – esp when funded by tax avoiding scum – but with Philpott there needs to be a debate on welfare. Moronic twonks. which twats voted for them?

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      Who the fuck voted for Labour says:

      Listen you thick headed bletherskite Gary Barlow has never been convicted in a court of law of any offence. those tax avoidance schemes whilst unpalatable were legal. and at least Barlow earned his money fairly. Whereas Philpott is a convicted criminal whose incentive to commit said crime was massive fucking state benefits hence it’s open season.

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    Eye Candy says:

    GF 6:40 : “Owen, what are you going to do to stop people abusing the system…….you offer nothing to stop it”

    OJ: “No we absolutely, we, terr, in terms of clamping down on people, playing the system if you like, I’ll give you an example of just of what we have in this country, benefit fraud which still exists [.....mumble, mumble . . .. .]

    GF: “What are you going to do about the Philpots of this world?

    OJ: “the benefit . . . the Philpots of the world, as I said, are a tiny tiny proportion of people. . . there are hundreds and hun. .

    GF: “So you’re just going to let that happen?

    OJ: “Let what happen?…..”

    So no answer Owen? Acquiescing by omission? Six dead children a price worth paying for your morally relativistic Welfare State?

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  143. 366
    Jason Feather says:

    Owen Jones – what a genius

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    fredb2010 says:

    Owen Jones is a typical rent-a-mouth left-wing gobshite – didn’t let Paul get a word in edgeways for 6 minutes then copped it big style and didn’t like it. Is this arsehold the new Johann Hari?

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