April 3rd, 2013

Welfare State Was Evil Philpott’s Accomplice

Daily_Mail_3_4_2013The Comrade Blimps of the infantile left are screaming this morning at the Mail’s frontpage splash. Philpott clearly is an evil man, nevertheless the fact remains he had an accomplice in the killing of six children – the welfare state. Welfare payments were his motive, he wanted a bigger house and the return of the kids taken by his ex together with the £1,000 a month bounty that they carried. The jury agreed with the prosecution that Philpott’s motivation was money, he was receiving £60,000 from the state and lost £12,000 when his ex left with the cash crop. He had no intention of working to support his children, he expected taxpayers to work to support him and his children.

He wanted to frame his ex for burning down the “too small” council house to get the return of the children she had taken and get him re-housed in a bigger council house. Philpott’s plan was a product of the twisted logic incentivised by the welfare system. The more children you can’t support, the more cash you are paid.


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    Indic says:

    Owen Jones has got something wrong with him

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    IDS says:

    spot on

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    Go Johnny go says:

    Desperate for hits ?

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    Khartoum Douglas says:

    It doesn’t matter whether he loved his children or he’s a nutjob sicko killer, nobody should be getting this much welfare from my taxes.

    Yes to a few payments if you lose your job but paying for housing, plasma TVs and dole money for years on end? No. Enough is enough.

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    Millionaire metro mentalist says:

    He was a vulnerable man who was failed by society.

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    Snaplegs says:

    Go on enlighten me – where did society fail him?

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    Jess The Dog says:

    Ye gads.This is scraping the barrel. Might as well change the name of the blog to Der Sturmer. The twisted bastard would have done it for insurance, fiddling donations or any number of reasons.

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    Kumb says:

    not enough benefits and his house was too small

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    billy says:

    maybe, but he actually did it for more benefits

    an uncomfortable fact but true

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    Give Me More Benifit says:

    Give us 10p for a cup of tea yeah f_cker!

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    Anonymous says:

    there is a subtle difference between ‘accomplice’ and ‘motive’, one that you don’t seem to have grasped

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    Silent Majority says:

    No private insurance would have paid him and given him the same incentives. Besides if he scammed some insurance company, that’s between him and them. This skum was ripping off you and me.

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    Must get a pseudonym one day says:

    Interesting that none of the reporting is prefaced with “former soldier…..”

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    Go Johnny go says:

    Oh dear Mr Fawkes, this really is trash and desperate !

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    Officer Crabtree says:

    A thoroughly vile creature who is a poster-boy caricature of everything that is wrong the dependency culture of this country. Sadly, he will be so self-centred as to never recognise his failings and therefore never shoulder the crushing guilt he should carry for the rest of his life.

    His callousness and greed are almost too much to comprehend.

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    William says:

    Is the word ‘prat’ allowed?

    If not, then you are Polly Toynbee and I claim my 5p.

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    Christian Charity says:

    We failed to give the idle f_cker a good kicking and make him get a job.

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    Tuscan Tony says:

    In these circs I ask – qui bono’d? Politicians? No, not really, Philpott was a stain on the system and an embarrassment for anyone in the public eye. The cretin himself? Again, he did OK but he’s just one person and wasn’t in control of the levers: the benefits could have stopped tomorrow and there was nothing he could have done to prevent that.

    No, the real winners out of the situation are the civil servants, the legions of social workers, administrators and organisers who shored up his evil edifice to generate the illusion of productive work and ths generous salaries and pension payments for themselves, at the expense it turned out of the innocent byproduct, the children. So far the civils’ world has remained dark and out of sight from the taxpayers and the outraged, with politicians taking the heat. Time that a torch was shone into their foul and murky corners.

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    Millionaire metro mentalist says:

    We should have given him more money and a much bigger house and this wouldn’t have happened.

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    Huge Grant says:

    He is the sort of person we of the left should be looking out for – undereducated, underpriviledged. These people need a leg up in society as they have been down trodden for too long.

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    It works as a headline in both senses. Don’t be too literal. We know the welfare state wasn’t lighting the matches…

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    Comrade Blimp says:

    Guido Fawkes is taking the fucking piss on benefits. Wish Owen Jones would acknowledge that.

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    Mad Jack the Jungle Quack says:

    He’s just blending in with his surrounding’s

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    Resident of 96.99% white Merseyside says:

    And who created the dependency culture? I seem to remember it happened between 1979 and 1997. The 18 wasted years.

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    adhadh says:

    By that logic anyone killing for money from an insurance policy has been perversely incentivised by the private insurance market.

    So by your logic money – no matter where it derives – is the accomplice of evil

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    Rock Lobster says:

    This horrible case coming to a head is perfect timing for illustrating the corrosive and corrupting effect of our out of control welfare system. This is why the left are wetting their pants about articles such as this-in workplaces and homes around the country ordinary people will be saying-about time something was done to stop this abuse.

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    confucious says:

    ……there are thousands of wasters out there…quietly collecting YOUR money

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    M says:

    What does Ed Milliband think of these kind of people abusing welfare and stealing from the people who truly need it .
    Or does he just think they’ve just lost a good comrade breeding for the socialist Labour Party machine.

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    Pollytwaddle says:

    You just worked that out?

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    Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler says:

    On the contrary this bloke is just the tip of the iceberg. There are tens of thousands more just like him living the same way. They just don’t kill their kiddies.

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    Silent Majority says:


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    justine hutchison says:

    What would U do with his kids if he didn’t get benefits then? Leave them to starve or maybe bring back workhouses? He is an evil man but thats not his kids fault.

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    Brainless says:

    Of course without his 60,000 pounds a year for his 11 children im sure he would of still had 11 kids if he had to pay to feed them himself.

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    A Taxpayer says:

    You are talking of thousands of pounds per year for the life of each child plus extras. He has nothing to insure and with two women servants rarely has to get of the sofa. It is a valid point in the current BBC/ Labour Campaign debate that welfare payments are too low in the UK.

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    Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler says:

    The dependency culture preceded Thatcher by about 30 years. It all began after WW2 by Labour alongside the setting up of the NHS.

    Read and learn some history.

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    Go Johnny go says:

    Using a tragic story of those children in this way is desperate !!

    Any means to get traffic on your site eh?

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    Millionaire metro mentalist says:

    Too right! I’d like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmonyyyyyyyyyy!!!!

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    Halitosis says:

    Yes, just like gangland drug murders are incentivised by capitalism.

    I thought all you 1% people were supposed to be well educated? Your parents should ask for their money back.

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    Daftie says:

    From £60k a year in benefits to £40k (x2) prison costs. Looks like they got their change of address with an additional £20k forked out by the taxpayer.

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    Tardy says:

    Mick Philpott is one of many Blair babies. i know the truth hurts but suck it up!

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    Dave is a Lefty says:

    Well said Guido.

    Now that Lefty Dave has blessed Gayer weddings. The next thing they will want is for the state to make them some babies in a laboratory and then the state to pay for the upkeep and welfare of their laboratory children and of course pay for one of the gay duo to stay at home and look after their lab made sprogs because it is “natural” for the father to stay at home while the other father goes to work.

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    Reign of terror says:


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    Iain Duncan Smith says:

    Hosting an ‘in it together’ homeless sleepover. Calling mattress cardboard, quilts sleeping bags and having benefits dips.

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    Lefties promote Evil and destroy love says:

    The welfare state becomes a source of evil in the hands of perverted Lefties. End of.

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    Go Johnny go says:

    Did Mr Osborne help you write this drivel ?

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    William says:

    + a milliard.

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    Huge Grant says:

    It’s not like they did anything really bad, such as hacking a phone message

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    The Bible says... says:

    Love of money is the root of all evil.

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    mrjohn says:

    I think it is in very poor taste to conflate this tragedy with your political stance on the welfare state.

    Insulin can be used to extend life, it can also be used to end it, doesn’t mean that we judge insulin according to the way it is used. If you do not understand this you do not understand the difference between principles and actions.

    Judging by the argument in your post I would say you have difficulty with principles.

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    nellnewman says:

    Well as Dan Hodges said yesterday miliband and his cronies have lost the welfare argument – now with the headlines this morning they are being buried under their opposition to cuts.


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    Anonymous says:

    Let us also not forget Sheds with Beds Landlords who have omitted to declare their income to HMRC and also have not paid Council Tax or Insurance.
    Labour just loved these people sponging off the much reduced working classes, as long as they got benefits their Vote could be relied on.
    Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotten_and_pocket_boroughs

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    Anonymous says:

    Spot on Guido. The screams of the left are merely a panic-stricken acknowledgment of having created a monster which is now beyond control. The welfare dependency culture is based on the fact that only fools and horses work for a living. On a very slight change of subject, just wait for the arrival of Romanians in about 8 months time. You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

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    yeah, right... says:

    Which insurance company would insure him?

    What premium would you charge to cover a man who has never worked, against the risk of him not working?

    How would he pay the premium? From his benefits?

    Are you starting to understand how the rules that apply to the rest of us simply have no remit with the Mick Philpotts of this world.

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    Go Johnny go says:

    Is this goverment policy ?

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    Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler says:

    That itself is illogical. You are arguing that ANY welfare or insurance at all is the cause of crime. Nobody has ever argued that there should be no benefit system at all. Insurance exists to protect people who have suffered from accidents. But equally as with benefits, if insurers make it too easy and lucrative to cheat the system it will happen and does happen – as with phoney car and house claims.

    Money is not the cause of evil any more than sex is the cause of rap*e.

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    Heart Felt Truth says:

    Well done to the DM for saying what HAD to be said.

    They will get flak from the BBC, the Guardian and the far left but everyone one knows deep down in their hearts that the DM is correct.

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    S Holmes says:

    I’m certain it paid for them, though.

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    yeah, right... says:

    Probably paid for them though. And the petrol.

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    Tomcat6 says:

    Why did the DWP allow him to get away with it for so long ……I thought they were supposed to find people employment.

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    Joe says:

    This needs more traffic. The whole nation needs to see how some people are scamming the system, milking taxpayers so they can get free housing and dole money for life.

    60 million people need to read this.

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    M says:

    I think this incentive policy should be roll out throughout job centres around the country .
    Call it :- job seeking avoidance allowance

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    Aldous Huxley says:

    Oh, Brave New World!

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    Halitosis says:

    Try the Liberals in 1908?

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    Millionaire metro mentalist says:

    Or taping a Nazi spanking my mates botty!!

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    Ancient Milton Keynes Proverb says:

    You can lead a Horse to water but forcing him to drink is the hard part. And the wefare state as we know it forces no one to drink.

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    No such thing as society says:

    Mick philpott was a soldier in his youth so shouldn’t that be blamed for him being a messed up creature as frankly that’s as valid as blaming the welfare state for this event.

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    Andy Pandy says:

    Exactly .

    People like Chris Grayling have failed people like the Philpotts yet they get promoted and rewarded by the system.

    It just isn’t fair and you never get any resignations.

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    yeah, right... says:

    Tis true. Since 1997, every one has been fully employed. Taxes have fallen and state sepnding hardly exists.

    Since year 1, when Pol Blair took charge, all has been rosy. As the sainted Ben Elton has stated, it’s all fatcher’s fault.

    (prescritption drugs are a wonderful thing)

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    Andy says:

    This type of dominating behaviour is all too common among men and some women of all social classes, but the choice of the phrase “cash crop” is absolutely right in this case.

    There has to be a case for getting rid of child allowance altogether. On 10 months notice stop all future child allowances on the basis that pregnancy is a choice, and it shouldn’t be made unless there are resources in the household to pay for it. Other arrangements can be made for pregnancies as a result of rape or loss of earnings, but the default position should be no child benefit.

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    ad hominem says:

    What was Philpott’s motive?

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    Resident of 96.99% white Merseyside says:

    Oh yes, that nice Mr Attlee. I just about remember him.

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    yeah, right... says:

    Yep, six votes down in 2028

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    Mitch says:

    Agreed. The connection in the story is not as simple as is implied.

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    Head Auditor says:

    “My part int he death of the Philpott children” a play in three parts by David Cameron

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    Tony says:

    you are missing the point, the kids were a tool he used to get even more benefits…

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    Realist says:

    Lock the bastard up in a breeze block isolation cell for the rest of his life. No fucking television, table tennis, counselling, or any of the rest of the utter PC generated bollux.

    Ha. Ha. Ha. No chance. assuming the fucker doesn’t get off on appeal, the human rights brigade will let him out after 5 years maximum. Then he will be back on the bennies again.

    Never forget — we all live in this wonderful multiracial equal opportunities PC paradise created by PC Dave, Bliar, Nickelarse, Welby & Co. — apart from the 6 dead kids of course.

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    yeah, right... says:

    Yes but in prison he can shag as much as he likes but he wont be fathering more children.

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    Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler says:

    Better educated than thick lefties who can’t tell the difference between subsidies and taxes or cuts and INCREASED government spending.

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    Anonymous says:

    No need to read Toynbee’s inevitable nonsense now.

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    Steve Miliband says:

    Have Political Scrapbook finally given up and just comment on here instead?

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    Resident of 96.99% white Merseyside says:

    Only Somali asylum seekers are entitled to a bigger house. That’s why Bournemouth is popular with them.

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    Head Auditor says:

    Do the Conservative Party accept any responsibility whatsoever for the death of the Philpott children ?

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    Time formharshness says:


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    Endless Welfare was Philpott's Apple of Temptation says:

    Those saying the DM is wrong. Ask yourself what would have happened if Philpott’s cunning plan had worked?

    He obviously thought it would or he would not have done it. And his reward would have been presented and donated by “THE STATE OF WELFARE”.

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    Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler says:

    Someone from the left bleating about principles? Talk about hypocrisy.

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    Misterned says:

    If his house was too small, how come he could fit a full-size snooker table in and have room for two 50 inch TVs?

    My wife and I both work full time and we cannot afford two 50 inch TVs, let alone a full size snooker table.

    The Welfare system enabled and encouraged this man’s lifestyle. He could receive money without that state ever questioning his lifestyle, morality or worthiness, as to the left wing, such things should never be questioned.

    Such disregard for his moral degradation allowed him to continue his depravities unchecked and for them to keep expanding until he would willingly risk his own children’s lives (and ultimately kill six of them) in the selfish pursuit of more of other people’s money, for which he was never ever prepared to work for himself.

    The Welfare system itself was an accomplice in these crimes.

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    Realist says:

    FFS. They are all career politicians — in the game for the pay, gold plated pensions, expenses and their egos. Fucking bastards, especially Camoron.

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    Stuart says:

    Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100…
    If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this…

    The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
    The fifth would pay £1.
    The sixth would pay £3.
    The seventh would pay £7..
    The eighth would pay £12.
    The ninth would pay £18.
    The tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.

    So, that’s what they decided to do..

    The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball.

    “Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by £20″. Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80.

    The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.

    So the first four men were unaffected.

    They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men?
    The paying customers?

    How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?

    They realised that £20 divided by six is £3.33. But if they
    subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

    So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

    And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving).

    The sixth now paid £2 instead of £3 (33% saving).

    The seventh now paid £5 instead of £7 (28% saving).
    The eighth now paid £9 instead of £12 (25% saving).

    The ninth now paid £14 instead of £18 (22% saving).

    The tenth now paid £49 instead of £59 (16% saving).

    Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.

    “I only got a pound out of the £20 saving,” declared the sixth man.

    He pointed to the tenth man,”but he got £10!”

    “Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a pound too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!”

    “That’s true!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get £10 back, when I got only £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!”

    “Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison, “we didn’t get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!”

    The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

    The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

    And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works.

    The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction.

    Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore.

    In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

    David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
    Professor of Economics.

    For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
    For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible

    Re-posted from Pete Ross

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    Resident of 96.99% white Merseyside says:

    Might confuse it with the Daily Sturmer. Mail or Express – take your pick.
    Beobachter’s no good either – that’s The Guardian.

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    Screwed taxpayer says:

    The prime purpose of the DWP is to provide secure employment and pensions for its own typical public sector staff.

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    Go Johnny go says:

    Not using innocent children !

    It’s absolutely vile and disgusting !

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    Moley says:

    Maximising benefits and obtaining help with housing are the main motivation behind most child custody battles, (fought with Legal Aid).

    As the Judge said in my case, “It seems clear that this dispute is not actually about the good of the children”.

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    ASS MAN says:


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    Anonymous says:

    You mean the institution he went AWOL from twenty years ago?

    Yep, he was a great addition to the armed forces.

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    melvin says:

    If he’d known he could only claim for say, 2, kids, there would have been no point in fathering more, would there?

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    Twitter is for Twats says:

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    Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler says:

    Insulin like welfare is an abuse when far too much is given. See the logic now? Welfare is fine but not when it is abused as it has been for far too long by so many thanks to idiotic government policy. Insulin, morphine etc are good analogies for welfare.

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    As sad is it is, least there are 6 less future dole scroungers to account for now.

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    jane Birkin from Paris says:

    Here in France there have been problems with Roumanians and other Eastern European gangs.

    They have taken to hijaking trains usualy in and around Paris, holding passengers hostage threatening them with tear gas canisters and then robbing them in their seats.

    The police have had some success because the wallets stolen often have compulsory ID cards in them which are useful as tracers .

    I thought I would share this information with you all for as they say “forewarned is forearmed”.

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    Millionaire metro mentalist says:

    I have found Somalians make excellent nannies.

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    melvin says:

    Yes, we should certainly not discuss evil or wrongdoing or the laws of unintended consequences, people might start to reconsider their views of the all-loving, perfect State.

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    Misterned says:

    because he was kicked out of the army in less than a year for going AWOL. He does not deserve the accolade of “former soldier”. He never saw active service. He cannot be compared to the brave soldiers risking their lives on the front lines today.

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    Anonymous says:

    So how many kids is enough?

    Should he have got handout if he’d got up to thirty kids?

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    At least they get to live in a bigger house, and more bedrooms

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    Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:

    In Portsmouth I advise my young single female constituents to have 8 or 9 children, as it is the optimum number to live comfortably on. I then personally do my best to help them achieve their worthy ambition. Boaz.

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    Misterned says:

    It was massively expanded by Blair and Brown.

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    Your Friendly Neighbourhood Incentivised Perverts Watchdog Service says:

    Perverse incentives are sought to be minimised in any sort of insurance, if the insurers care one way or another about their profits and their shareholders care anything about their dividends. Moral Hazard, i.e., bad underwriting that fails to take into account an insured’s motive to steal, and Morale Hazard, i.e., failing to take into account that, once insured in what may not have been bad underwriting to begin with, the insured may fail to exercise that sort of prudent care that (s)he would do absent being insured because, well, “the insurance will pay for it all should something go wrong”– both tend to be missing from this whole benefits racket calculus on the part of the Government because, unlike insurers, they’re not looking at the pounds-and-pence economics of it, rather, the demographics of it– “We should much rather err on the side of giving the ‘undeserving,’ if you will, the ‘benefit’ of the doubt, than to see the truly needy suffer, because, well, there really is no downside at the ballot box, is there?”

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    Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler says:

    In 1947 welfare was described as a safety net. Now it is has become a hammock.

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    1 in 4 truth. says:

    surround is so round,
    2 appreciate the up more fulli….go down 1st.
    down is a movement towards appreciation of the up.
    “Om” came from the zero point that is the throat. and then God followed. OMG.

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    Anonymous says:

    All it shows is that greed was his motivation in everything. Greed is the feral right’s motivation so Philpot was in the same basket as the people that David Cameron’s father made his money out of: tax evaders. They all use all the loopholes in the law that they can to exploit the system, something that Boris Johnson has supported in the not so recent past.

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    Broon from Troon says:

    The right thing to do would be to stop all benefit payments for a week in sympathy for the Philpott children .

    The money saved should be used to build a memorial to them in Derby.

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    Kyle makes his money off the welfare club says:

    And Jeremy Kyle. Don’t forget Kyle twat and his sordid show screened at Welfare State prime time. Kyle turned him into a welfare culture hero.

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    Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler says:

    And potential life-long Labour voters.

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    No such thing as society says:

    I believe philpott will be presented with a medal by the Tories for his sterling work in reducing the level of child benefit payments.

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    Sandalista says:

    Just in passing. Has anyone any comments about the kids in this? Did they deserve it.

    If they hadn’t been killed, did they deserve to be kept in the conditions they were?

    Real solutions for a real world please.

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    Frank's son says:

    Thousands more maybe. Yet there are millions (including working folk) on welfare who are NOT living the same way. Good try. But millions trumps thousands. Ahh, but that doesn’t fit in with your narrative.

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    Greedo Fawkes says:

    Same logic turned on your own ‘profession’ (1% my arse):

    Illegal phone hacking of dead children was motivated by commercial demands of market forces to create sensational headlines.

    Ergo – all “‘journalists” (this includes yourself, to some degree) are all corrupt, immoral, criminal scum, not far removed from the same pool in which Philpot breeds.

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    Misterned says:

    We should introduce a cap for any new claims. we only pay for two of your kids. That will not prevent current abuses, nor penalise the current innocent children, but it would stop people irresponsibly breeding for benefits money as a lifestyle choice.

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    UKIP voters says:

    + a many, many votes

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    Sandalista says:

    Are we talking about IDS?

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    Freddie Laker deceased says:

    it is extremely rare for any custody case in the Family Courts to have anything remotely to do with the children.

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    Resident of 96.99% white Merseyside says:

    Isn’t it the golden apple that tempts people into politics?

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    Kildar says:

    Actually two of my mates are ex-squaddies. They served a couple of terms, saw foreign countries and had a great time. It matured them as men and they are now tradesmen (you know, those small businessmen that Gordon Brown hates) with families. They are two of the best blokes I know and always ready to lend a hand.

    The idea that all ex-soldiers are raving psychos waiting to explode is another vile left-wing lie. More hatred of our country.

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    Resident of 96.99% white Merseyside says:

    You never know, one of them might have grown up and become a pop star or Premiership footballer.

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    Halitosis says:

    You don’t seem to have grasped the fact that all criminals think their plan would work, whether it be tax dodging or nicking a sausage roll

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    spanows says:

    Very good although I’d say the hammock and the two money trees it’s hanging between.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    Stick all these bone idle benefit scrounging chavs in giant caravan parks.

    Give them a little heater to heat the caravan and food stamps for basic food.

    A cesspit that each family takes turns cleaning out.

    They can collect water in a bucket from a single standpipe for the whole camp.

    Even in these conditions they would be far better off than the starving in Africa.

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    Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler says:

    So the answer is to change the law to make it harder for people like him to abuse the system. Making welfare far less generous would help to accomplish this for so many. But namby-pamby bed-wetters would object to any means of giving these people any kind of push towards a better life for them and their children. Why does the left NEVER consider the kids? What kind of life is it for the kids to have parents scrounging off welfare all their lives? What example does it set them?

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    CCHQ says:

    No. Our Conservative led Coalition is totally ineffective.

    Apart from the major achievement of progressing Same Sex Marriage, we are not responsible for anything.

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    Anonymous says:

    Plus they’d each inevitably sire a dozen benefit scroungers.

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    Don't hold people to a standard that you cannot keep says:

    Everyone is corrupt.

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    Perry Mason says:

    If what you say is a fair reflection upon the case then the Judge should have made no order whatsoever .

    In so far as costs were concerned the Judge would not have made any order I suspect out of concern for the children.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    I think you’ll find it’s Red Ken Livingscum that refused to release details of his taxes.

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    God help us, twats that tweet twatish crap like this are responsible for running (ruining) the UK. Bloody idiot!

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    Moley says:

    The Judge even acknowledged that benefit entitlement was a financial asset and stipulated in the final Order who got the Child Benefit and who should receive the Family Tax Credit.

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    Anonymous says:

    Temptation is the root of the evil and the out of control welfare state is the evil.

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    Arse says:

    If people want to garden up hill, who are you to deny them that right? The problem with the Conservative movement as a whole is its social conservatism. It’s so…. 18th century.

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    Frank's son says:

    And you know the poster is from the left because……?

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    Tay King-dePisse says:

    Truly tragic it had to happen this way, though– but there you are.
    (And try to remember, it’s “fewer” when it’s a countable figure– else people might think YOU were some sort of educated-under-Labour oik whose demise ought go unlamented.)

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    Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler says:

    Once again this is bollocks. It was the Labour government who turned a blind eye to what was happening in the press until the Sun changed from supporting them to the Tories. The press did things that were ILLEGAL. Why did the Labour government and the police and the legal system at the time do NOTHING?

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    Frank's son says:

    Ah yes, Dan Hodges. The man so against the EU he made himself rich from it. Just like Kinnock, and guess what Nell? I never believed a word Kinnock said either!

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    Phil says:

    The question I would ask after reading about this parasite is “would Philipot have had 17 children if child benefit was restricted to the first two children born?”.
    I have a pretty fair idea that I already know the answer.

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    Misterned says:

    +1 it is tragic. For all of us.

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    Grrr says:

    Working hard and paying for yourself is 18th Century?

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    Get a grip on the skivers says:

    Not the fit men between the ages of 16 and 60. Don’t give those fuckers anything at all if they won’t go off to find work, or pick up litter for 40 hours a week.

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    Go Johnny go says:

    If a millionaire kills somebody, all millionaires killers ?

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    lost in Clacton says:

    But some are more corrupt than others

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    Misterned says:

    He was in the army for less than a year and was kicked out for going AWOL. He was no soldier.

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    Phil says:


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    Synic says:

    Can’t wait for the caring understanding TV interviews from CamerHunt, Miliprat, and that other Yellow Idiot Who’s Name I Can’t Recall.

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    Frank's son says:

    Don’t be silly. The poster is correct. Guido and all journalists are tainted by the hacking affair. Just like you and Guido are trying to taint everyone on welfare being a murderer. If the cap fits and all that.

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    Sceptical steve says:

    Many, many children are taken from their parents on spurious “child-safety” grounds each year, but the workings of this are hidden from view because the workings of the UK’s family courts are intentionally kept confidential. The question has to be why were the kids in this case seen to be under less of a threat than others who Social Services seem to have taken away for adoption on the weakest of grounds.

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    Moley says:

    As for costs;

    As is typical, I (father) had to pay my own costs, my ex got legal aid, which had to be paid back when a settlement is made, but the calculation of that settlement, takes into account the wife’s liability for her costs.

    The husband ends up paying the costs of both sides anyway, and a vindictive wife is enabled by the system to destroy the husband’s assets by means of prolonged and deliberately delayed proceedings.

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    Pleb says:

    I bet IDS is rubbing his purple headed custard chucker reading this nonsense !

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    Bullers says:

    Misterned “his house was too small, how come he could fit a full-size snooker table in and have room for two 50 inch TVs” you have answered your own question, no room for anything else because of these things

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    Mick Philpott says:

    Itz my oooman rightz to get freee muneee!

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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    “Nobody has ever argued that there should be no benefit system at all.”

    I have and still do.

    Any system that incentivises lazy people to contribute less and forces hard working people to contribute more, so that the lazy can live entirely at the hard workers expense, is entirely immoral.

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    Misterned says:

    It is the something for nothing entitlement culture which encouraged him. This culture must be ended. It must be ended in the council estates and the bank’s boardrooms and the palace of Westminster alike. They are ALL at it and we must try to stop it.

    I abhor paying for ANY of it.

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    Frank's son says:

    In fact I’ll go one step further. Guido was so impressed by the disgusting actions of some of the press he couldn’t wait to climb aboard to grab the money himself.

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    your average plebby taxpayer says:

    What a brilliant explanation. Tweet it to Owen Jones who has blocked me from his Twitter account.

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    Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler says:

    Excellent. A pity the left will not understand a single word let alone a calculation.

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    A few years ago says:

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    A few years ago says:

    FYI, this is Mick Philpott a few years ago on the Kyle show.

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    Pleb says:

    Is Clegg still on his expensive holiday that he probably didn’t pay for ? All in it together.

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    Left Foot kicks Left Foot says:

    True Phone hacking was and is illegal. So why did Labour and its police turn a blind eye too it? And why are the lefties now screaming out for new laws to prevent phone hacking when phone hacking was always illegal under their watch anyway?

    Then there is the minor detail in the case you mention that MD’s phone was almost certainly not hacked anyway and the messages were deleted by the Telco on a 14 day expiry basis.

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    Benny Fits says:

    Peter Mandelson: “We are perfectly relaxed about people becoming filthy rich”.

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    It is precisely this sort of dog-whistle journalism denigrates the needy & destroys the confidence of those striving in the public sector to bring equality to all.
    Keep up the good work.

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    Democracy Stealing Postal Voting says:

    We will make up any difference.

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    Benny Fits says:

    How’s Margaret Moran doing? Is she still depressed and suicidal?

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    Tosspot says:

    Child murders usually do not do too well in Prison

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    The Welfare State warps and corrupts everything it touches. Here, it told Phillpot, in detail, every fucking week, “Children =££££”. That’s it. Thats’ what they are for. The more you have, the more money we will give you. Good doggy, good boy – have another kid, have some more money. Here you go, more money. More kids? Bigger house. Keep breeding boy.

    Fucking Lefty scum outraged today at the Mail for telling the truth. In detail. Undeniable detail. Two massive tellies, landcruisers, a snooker table, and STILL they claim a life on benefits equals poverty. The Left just can’t tolerate this, just can’t accept the truth. Benefits are corrosive to individuals, to families, to society. The Welfare State is a wicked, cancerous, dangerous beast that is destroying our country. Anyone who refuses to see this is equally dangerous.

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    Benny Fits says:

    Peter Mandelson: “We are perfectly relaxed about people becoming filthy rich”.

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    Anonymous says:

    Owen Jones is about as far away from reality as is possible. The Daily Mails headline is absolutely spot on.
    Jones is a product of a bygone age and a throw back to the bad old days where Union dinosaurs ruled the roost

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    Youthpasta says:


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    Joe says:

    Yes, they can’t find their elbows yet alone get people into work. DWP is an employer of last resort where the dregs of the jobs market find employment.

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    Sick says:

    And yet you call others disgusting for talking about celebrating Thatcher’s eventual demise. Lovely.

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    Warsaw by Bucks says:

    Just got back from signing on – lost my job last month – first time in my life. As I have always worked and paid my taxes (for 35 years) I felt I was entitled to claim my ‘insurance’.

    Imagine my shock when, after being in the job centre for 5 minutes, I thought I had been transported to somewhere in Eastern Europe. All I could hear was Polish/Czech or whatever. It was chaos; there were 2 translators running around like headless chickens, and benefit workers were asking people why they still didn’t speak English after 10 months in the country!

    Now, we are always being told by leftists and now by the neo-liberal blue marxist government that this is simply not happening nd is a myth. The Eastern Europeans are hard workers and don’t claim benefits – or so they tell us.

    I live in the home counties in a smallish town and if this is happening here, what must it be like in other places? I have seen it first hand, so the government are lying or just badly informed.

    As I waited on the luxurious sofas and noticed the fully fitted carpets and coffe tables (in a job centre!) – I was also a little surprised to see most of the potential claimants playing on their expensive toys such as i pads, blackberries etc.

    I am truly shocked and wonder why I have been paying in to an insurance system (NI) for years, only to realise now that it is being used to assist incomers from overseas who haven’t paid a penny in to the system. In other words, we are all paying for the governments/the EU’s massive social engineering experiment.

    Where is the common sense, logic or fairness (a word the left love to use) in all this? I would love to know.

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    Anonymous says:

    How is the welfare state an accomplice? The welfare state was one of the intended victims of this crime. It’s odd to describe the victim of a fraud as an accomplice.

    Grow up Guido.

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    Joe says:

    Philpott was the one using children.

    For the sake of children we need to know why this man could live such a shameful life.

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    Pollytwaddle says:

    That’s interesting.

    Funny how the Lefties always block opinions they don’t want to hear.

    Hate to prick their bubble, now, eh?

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    Socialist Workers? Never before has a group been so badly named. says:

    It’s a socialist worker thing. The hardest work they ever do is go into a BBC studio or paint protest banners.

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    Dog on a String says:

    Here’s 20p can you get me one as well?

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    Raining Datsun cogs says:

    Trouble with the whole leftist view of financial support, wealthfare handouts and benefits, is that it all stems from the concept of “victims”, usually of “society”. But the true victims of this tragedy were the six kids that these fuckers produced to help them live off the state.

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    Benny Fits says:

    Agreed. Prisons are holiday camps with free TV, video games, DVDs and internet, 3 meals a day and front of the queue medical care.

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    Benny Fits says:

    Peter Mandelson: “We are perfectly relaxed about people becoming filthy rich”.

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    Socialism is a psychological disorder says:

    Probably annoying the locals, playing Queen bee at her second home in the Spanish countryside.

    Second homes are very popular with duplicitous lefties.

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    Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler says:

    No he is not correct. As Guido says the welfare SYSTEM is to blame not welfare. Please try and understand the difference. If any system is wide open to abuse it will be abused. Whether it was hacking phones by journalists while the establishment turned a blind eye as long as the paper supported Labour, or car insurance fraud. Even corporation tax avoidance.

    If a system is dodgy and badly flawed it needs reform. But Labour and the left will always block any such reform, for political motives.

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    There is something very wrong with this country says:

    The SS would have stolen his kids soon enough if he was a UKIP voter.

    Rather unluckily for them, he was just a scrounging layabout, or as Labour would call him ‘a core voter’ so the children were left to his evil hands.

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    George Lucas says:

    THX motherfucker!

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    Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler says:

    If anyone was tainted by the hacking affair it was Labour who were deep up Murdoch’s arse as long as he supported their party.

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    Wayne says:

    Plazma is well good, innit?

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    Silent Majority says:

    Very good. Thanks for that.

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    kebabmon says:

    It isn’t dependency, its fraud. The fault lies with state’s box ticking culture for allowing this situation occur in the first place. Meet the criteria and the state will pay any amount with no questions asked especially where kids are concerned. He could have gone on to produce another 100 kids and no-one would have batted an eyelid.

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    left wing right wing, it's all the same bird! says:

    hear hear,

    Until we (the human race, small h) aim for a one in/one out policy on consumers we’re screwed!

    Not a politician, religious leader, or breeding Heffer ever gonna acknowledge this,
    so to summarise….

    WE’RE Screwed!

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    Pleb says:

    Are you surprised? Most of us are now with Cameron and Osborne ruining this country.

    I’m not sure if I meant running or ruining.

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    Jon says:

    In reality the richest man would drink 100 pints paid for by Gideon’s tax cuts etc. and the poorest man would left drinking the piss of the richest man which he would still have to pay for thanks to the piss tax.

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    Socialism is a psychological disorder says:

    The welfare state, and what it is offering, drove this sick man to his crimes.

    He did everything to try and fiddle and extract money from a ridiculous benefits system that is not fit for purpose.

    So it would perhaps be fairer to say the welfare state was more a motive than accomplice.

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    Tony Eden from Eton says:

    the sooner we see the benefits of the return of collective workhouses then the sooner things will improve .

    In a workhouse you will never have one too many bedrooms to yourself .

    Children will have good nutritious meals and monitored as to their attendances at schools .

    If an occupant is offered a job in say far off Newcastle then a transfer between workhouses would be simplicity itself compared with the current regime.

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    Mitch says:

    Yes, if I was a thief I would also keep my victims identity card. Thanks for the tip.

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    Pervs abound says:

    In other news, turns out one of the biggest buyers of Graham Ovenden’s kiddie art was a certain litigious lord.

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    Bullers says:

    The plasma TV’s probably on the tick (rented to you) certainly not cheap to rent and not exactly cheap to run, with so many sprogs the council would be obliged to house them by law. I think men should be limited to no more than 3 children and then not more benefits for any others, they should after 3 sprogs all men should have a vasectomy (non reversible) that stops them procreating again with a new model when he gets tired of the first model and that would stop him creating more kids for extra benefits. I bet Dave, Gideon, IDS and the others claim and get the child allowance, they definitely don’t need it.

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    If he’d had a leg up he’d have been able to pour petrol through the bedroom window too.

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    Anonymous says:

    You good do maths!

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    Bullers says:

    I thought Bournemouth was an old folks retirement town down south

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    The General Public says:

    Look we really hate to break it to you, but people on benefits are not all honest, noble, law-abiding folk who just need a leg up.

    Like the 900,000 people who decided to stop claiming disability benefits as soon as they were asked to subject their “disability” to medical scrutiny, for example.

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    Edna in Clapham says:

    The ‘ruining’ was done by the last administration.

    However, you are correct, the current coalition government are doing a very bad job at trying to fix all the problems (both social and financial) created by the millionaire Blair and the idiot Brown.

    Lovely morning in Clapham.

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    left wing right wing, it's all the same bird! says:


    I want your babies!

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    Bullers says:

    Don’t worry Big Bubber will sort him out if he gets placed with him, so he he will be put in the isolation wing for his own safety

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    Supply and demand says:

    Err, drug markets are nothing at all to do with capitalism.

    In fact drug markets, due to government intervention, are all artificially inflated and thus attract criminals who can make huge profits, they would be entirely unable to make, if there was a capitalist free market, for those products.

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    yeah, right... says:

    Indeed. And if it wasn’t for those pesky kids, he’d have got away with it….

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    William says:

    He hasn’t been ‘down trodden’ enough. I think you mean downtrodden.

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    Red Ed says:

    He voted the right way, what’s the problem?

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    Resident of 96.99% white Merseyside says:

    Lefties and lefty organisations just love censorship.

    Even more than Goebbels.

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    Bullers says:

    Well I guess the plasma TVs on the tick were a write off so the rental company have lost a lot

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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    His bleating bedwetter tone.

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    Resident of 96.99% white Merseyside says:

    Bournemouth has been popular with asylum seekers for some time. Back in the 1980’s they were nearly all from the Liverpool area.

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    Tenth man says:

    My head hurts.

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    Tony Eden from Eton says:

    The solution is workhouses I tell you .

    Chequers would be a lovely olace in which to bring up deprived children and could be extremely cost effective.

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    That’s my meme motherfucker

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    Misterned says:

    Indeed, since his income from benefits put him in the top1% of earners (equivalent of 92K gross earned and taxed income) We should have all chipped in to get him a croquet lawn too, so he could become accustomed to the lifestyle his income should have created…

    Obviously us tax-payers buying him 2 fifty inch TVs and a full size snooker table was not enough for him.


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    Casual Observer says:

    If he really had no other source of income, it certain the state paid, and provided motive.

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    todays true scum says:

    this is horrendous stuff. This man is the one who should have burnt in that fire, what a scum bag

    But using him as a stick to beat a significant chunk of the population with for political gain is despicable. Guido, the Mail and all the other useful idiots of the Govt should hang their heads in shame. you are the true scum today.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:


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    Bullers says:

    How do work that out, was he originally female or a hermaphrodite that decided to be male?

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    Misterned says:

    His income from benefits placed him in the top 1% of earners bracket in this country. Welfare payments are too low? Bullshit. Welfare made him one of the hated 1%.

    Now he is some sort of hero of the left.

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    I hate Hugh Grant cos he's a moron says:

    That could be one of any number

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    Anonymous says:

    The Daily Mail is horrendous. When all the (many) murders happen because of greed, you don’t see them sticking “Vile product of capitalist UK” on their front page and smearing all of us good capitalists with the same venom – but apparently it’s fine to smear everyone on benefits and blame the system…

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    The General Public says:

    And I thought the public sector existed to do useful things like clean streets and fix pot-holes. Now I discover that its primary role is to deliver nebulous and unmeasurable concepts like “striving to bring equality to all.”

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    Bullers says:

    Compulsory vasectomy after 3 kids for all men, it might make them think a bit

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    Anonymous says:

    Well said

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    Armitage Shanks says:

    You have seen the reality of Britain in 2013. I saw exactly the same thing 2 years ago and it’s got much worse. JSA for 24 weeks for me while genuinely seeking work, and then chopped to nowt. Our valued, enriching imports, on the other hand, are still receiving everything and are the regular customers at the Job Centre. Same faces, too!

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    Anonymous says:

    Why do the BBC wheel him out as an expert ? he was on something the other night on R 4 about a father of 9 getting £45,000 a year in benefits. I couldnt listen to him so turned it off.

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    Misterned says:

    Philpott was responsible for their conditions. The state more than adequately paid him to look after them, but they were not looked after. He wasted so much money on himself whilst leaving his kids to go hungry.

    He had 2 fifty inch TVs, a full SKY TV package, PS3, Xbox, Nintendo Wii, A full size snooker table and two women taking care of his every need. meanwhile his kids went without. Being fed a quarter of a burger and chips each.

    The welfare system paid him more than enough to care for those children properly, but there is NO judgement on how these vile people spend OUR money that the state so over-generously gives them. There is NO oversight of how our taxes are wasted by vile men such as Philpott. We should go to a system of food vouchers to ensure children of such people are at least fed properly. The broken welfare system encouraged Philpott and betrayed his children.

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    So when the Lefties use people who top themselves after failing an ATOS test, thats’ despicable too?

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    Red Ed says:

    He’s got other kids, sign them up for membership, see if they can say that if benefits were higher, then their dad wouldn’t have been forced to do this.

    Cuts have been too far too fast, you should just get a bigger home and more money if you want it

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    Stuart says:

    Sorry, I hadn’t seen this before. Because it is old does that mean the logic is flawed?

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    anon. says:

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    Robin Tudge says:

    What is the real-world parallel for this 20% saving that seems to end up causing so much upset?

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    Cute. Complete bollocks. But a cute little anecdote anyway.

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    Anonymous says:

    it’s got you here, participating …

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    Anonymous says:

    Philpott looked upon his children in exactly the same way as I look upon my shareholdings. The only difference is that my income from them is paid quarterly, taxed at source, and can stop at any time. His income was paid weekly, tax-free and considerably higher and guaranteed. And there are thousands who live like him.
    The joke is on me.

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    Mrs Duffy from Rochdale says:

    We who pay our taxes are ultimately to blame .

    If the Government will not do the honourable thing and resign perhaps we should act honourably and not give them our money ?

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    Anonymous says:

    I thought child allowance was stopped for people earning over £50,000 a few months ago.So no, they wont get child allowance buller.Even if they did, they have contributed more financially than most ! dont let truth get in the way of jealousy though !

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    Pull my other teet says:

    When you work in a cow shed, you need someone ready to churn it out.

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    Jakes says:

    No mention that Philpott is Ex-Army? Headline should be one of Our Boys has murdered 6 of his kids?

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    Anonymous says:

    What a strange thing to say !

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    Pay all lefties now! says:

    Nah, that will be 25p cos I wants 5p for carrying it to yer

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    Misterned says:

    No, we are not talking about someone who served in the military with distinction, found himself unemployed, but found work in the real world and then worked hard to rise up the ranks of politics to lead his party, and once stabbed in the back by them, went to research real social deprivation, touring the council estates of Scotland and England’s poorest regions, talking to the people who have to survive there and discovering first hand how the welfare system has betrayed and trapped increasing numbers of people into social decay and poverty, instead of helping them. He is now starting to mend the system and make it a fairer system for the people who actually pay for it, and those who have been cruelly trapped by it.

    Blair spoke in fine words about welfare, and did the opposite of what he promised, in order to abuse the poor and build a client state of labour voting scum that we all have to pay for.

    IDS is doing the right thing and should be encouraged to go much further in his plans to tackle welfare dependency.

    I was talking about the welfare abusing, child neglecting, child killing Mick Philpott

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    Ex-Tory says:

    Those millions are equally appalled by those that take the pi$$. Those that are working should not be taxed and taken out of the Welfare Fishing Net

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    Hannibal from Carthage says:

    Having read Ricky Tomlinson’s article in the Guardian it is clearly evident that he in relation to economics is roughly my equivalent when it comes to acting .

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    Anonymous says:

    Then you cram 6 kids in to one bedroom.

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    Hannibal from Carthage says:

    If a share I own does not do what I want it to I get rid straight away .

    Are you really saying I we all should view children and shares in the same way?

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    Blimey says:

    Benefit babies have been around for some time now. They are usually spaced to keep the “parents” on benefits well into middle age.

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    The Public says:

    30 years HARD LABOUR ( no not that one, real labour )

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    Bob says:

    The most infantile and purile form of journalism – using the most extreme examples of something to attack something as a whole.

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    Sandalista says:

    I was referring to the comment about “active service” or “brave soldier/risking lives”.

    Could you refer me to the IDS equivalents – or is touring council estates the cases you cite?

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    Anonymous says:

    that he was able to make himself rich from it is part of the problem with the EU – it is, in reality, a vehicle conceived by a few for the benefit of a few at a cost to the many.

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    Misterned says:

    two kids. Don’t be so generous.

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    HenryV says:

    Interesting. Though I agree with you in principle about the number of children per family why do you see as only a male problem? I am positive that for a child to be made a female has to be involved.

    Another thing as I have no children can I pay less tax? I am not adding to the education bill or NHS bill.

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    lost in Clacton says:

    Do you think that between them the Philpotts, Ian Duncan Smith, Guido Fawkes, Owen Jones and the Huhnes are going to lead to outbreaks of civil unrest in the near future ?

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    Sandalista says:

    Interesting. Have you studied Eugenics? How about maths and compound growth rates?

    Given the differences in fecundity between the differing parts of the population are you suggesting a Chinese style level of control? And with it the Chinese style of democracy?

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    Left dangler says:

    For all Liebore’s caring and sharing, they did absolutely nothing to correct any wrongs made by the Tories before 1997. They had a golden opportunity to be what they said they were, and hey, what did they do?. That’s right, they did nothing! They just made things far, far worse.

    Don’t forget then in 2015 please vote Liebore. They have learned so much since Cameron came along. Apparently.

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    loopy Lou LLB (Hons) says:

    The best advice I can give is that if outside temperatures rise by 10 degrees it would be advisable to stay indoors .

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    Huge Grunt says:

    I should know. I was a prime minister once and even danced in the movie. I know everything. I am almost divine

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    Fog says:

    1. Killing a person to defraud an insurance company for a payout is a cost to all other insurance premium payers
    2. Killing a person, or in this case several people, to further defraud the benefits system is a cost to taxpayers
    3. Therefore, those who kill others to defraud appear to have a similar motive – to obtain or continue a lazy lifestyle, at the expense of others, so as not to work
    4. Insurance companies work hard at detecting fraudulent claims
    5. MPs, Social workers, civil servants, whoever is responsible for paying out benefits, don’t work hard at detecting fraudulent claims – for many reasons probably including: they can’t be arsed (they’re living off taxpayers money too); political correctness and cowardice; taxpayers don’t have much, or any, say in where their tax is spent and can’t complain; the lefty media won’t allow any criticism of the welfare state, especially by the people who pay the bills, i.e. the taxpayers.
    6. Therefore, one could conclude that the Welfare State are culpable in this lazy git’s motive in trying to get more benefits – and if these children hadn’t been killed, he probably would have succeeded in getting more of our tax. As it is the taxpayers will be paying for him for the rest of his life probably

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    Misterned says:

    Think of two moments in time. One in history and today. The time in history, we had no welfare and no income tax. We were the dominant economy in the whole world. Then we started taking money off people who do work, to pay other people to NOT work. Now our economy is fucked.

    I believe that there should be some form of welfare, for those who CANNOT work, (with strict regular tests), for all others, there should be a small, very temporary safety net of 6 months, with career support to allow those unfortunate people who become redundant, get another job.

    Our welfare system is FAR too generous. It should never have allowed Philpott to have so many kids and pay for them all for so long.

    We pay for the first two, and if you have more, you pay for them yourself.

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    Chas Dickens says:

    You can always send your other kids up chimneys to clean them. (The chimney that is)

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    Anonymous says:

    Benefits should not be open ended as they are. There should be a time limit as there is in a lot of countries. Having your benefits stopped is a great incentive to get a job.But here, especially if you have kids it is treated as though its ok. The amount of rubbish i have read over the last few days on the Guardian and Telegraph sites, (obviously rounded up to comment by Labour)make you question the intelligence of voters.

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    joe bonanno says:

    why should the first two born confer benefits?

    you want kids, pay for em yourself.

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    Misterned says:

    Very true.

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    The General Public says:

    He was in the army for less than a year before being kicked out for going AWOL, the useless knob.

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    HenryV says:

    Having worked as a volunteer in an inner city I can tell you that whether he got paid or not he would still have sex, unprotected or not. They just don’t care. And it isn’t just the men, the women don’t care either. In the council estates around here once a child reaches 14 it is more a question of when not if they have child by the time they are 20 irrespective of their circumstances. Rather like beasts in the field getting pregnant (that means carrying as well as the inseminating) is just part of puberty as much as the voice breaking or starting menstruation. The girls get flats and houses. Then in early twenties the couple, if has stayed together or even formed into a family unit, breaks down and then within months a new male moves in, and the cycle begins again. It is like a game of musical chairs. Women have house and children. And the men are itinerant sperm donors come fluffers. Where the cycle ends I don’t know.

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    Cobblers says:

    Sorry, was insulin a fire-accelerant, poured through a letterbox to enable children to be killed? I fail to see your point (oh, wait, you don’t have one!)

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    Casual Observer says:

    There as bad as eachother. Kyle is crap compared with Springer.

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    Obvious, really says:

    it’s a fair bet he was no human being

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    Indy says:

    The really scarey thing about this is that you think there could be a rational motive for setting fire to a house with six children in it. I would suspect Mr Phillpot has indulged in a lifetime of boozing and possibly drug taking which explains his mental state far more accurately than his economic circumstances. If there is a lesson here it is that the state should be more ready to intervene and take children into care when their parents are evidently unfit, again irrespective of economic circumstances. Philpott appeared on a number of TV shows and in newspapers so his way of life was hardly a secret.

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    HenryV says:

    The stupid thing is if he had come on to social services radar as well as benefits the “state/council” would probably be paying two social workers full time to deal with the “problem”. He would have ended sucking even more money out of the system. Around here I know social services deal with at last 5 problems with well over 5 child who fit this profile. It goes on for decades. Imagine then tens of thousands in benefits per year, plus social work salaries, multiplied by a decade or two multiplied by X number of families. Big money.

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    HenryV says:

    At least it’s lead free these days. Got to think of the children.

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    todays true scum says:

    that doesn’t really hold up does it.

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    stilyagi_air_corps says:

    What a Crass comment!

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    Casual Observer says:

    The only thing that makes me doubt some aspects of this case is the convenient timing with regards some of the changes to the benefits system that the DWP are trying to get through. It is just coincidence though and the government will rightly use it to their ends.

    The problem with a dependency culture is that it is dangerous to reverse. Breaking the bonds will result in unintended consequences such as this case: it will not be isolated.

    This is another way in which socialism kills. Denying people the right to free choice by encouraging dependency on the state, and distorting their perception of reality by blatant state mandated capital mis-allocation is dangerous when that status quo is threatened.

    The papers should be celebrating the fact that at least 5 of the offspring of this person are now no longer here or in danger of posing future burden to the tax payer. That leaves just the other 11 or so, who hopefully will be a bit more productive in life than their parents.

    The police observations on the reactions at press conferences should be contrasted with another case which took place in Portug@ a few years backl that is still unresolved.

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    Woogle says:

    And now we have to pay for these three to live out their days in prison. A princely sum, no doubt.

    Wouldn’t most people face up to their wickedness and punish themselves here by ending it? Is he devoid of all honour? I’m sure he will meet some intent on persuading him to make amends.

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    joe bonanno says:

    You do know Jim Hacker is not a real MP, don’t you?

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    HenryV says:

    Drugs? I thought the hip and trendy Left peddled the message that drugs do know harm. Or do the Left peddle that message because they like the idea of the under class masses medicated and so subdued. Drug taking is endemic on council estates. They aren’t all burning their children. Abusing them or neglecting them yes.

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    no such thing as a free lunch says:

    I can discern that you’re a victim of having been dropped on your head as a child, poor dear.

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    Labour is off it's Ed says:

    Well said Mr Ned. Some folk will never get the hang of working & doing their very best for their families.

    What a crap society we live in when some people sneer at people trying their utmost – mongs!

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    Anjem Choudray says:

    Fuck off poofter before you get a stoning.

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    Anjem Choudray says:

    If it wasn’t for the Daily Mail, we wouldn’t know all about these benefit scams, you fucking idiot.

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    Ivor Ramsbottom says:

    Isnt David Miliband resigning from something to day over this scandal >?

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    benefits for all says:

    Just grow another money tree, it’s easy.

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    Social Worker on long term invalidity says:

    I could not agree with you more

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    Misterned says:

    Not busted, just the left do not accept the logic that the richest will become pissed off and leave. They think that they can abuse the wealthy and the wealthy will keep taking it forever.

    They are wrong.

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    Curly says:

    Well, the icing on the cake is that now we have to fork out to keep the two of them for the next 15 years or so. Full circle?

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    Jimmy Sovile says:

    Nothing wrong with having lots of kids. His first mistake was getting caught. I had friends in the right places.

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    A reporter from the Daily Planet says:

    But it is extremely cost effective journalism.

    No need to go out of the office and no expenses whatsoever

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    Anonymous says:

    That’s the way socialists like ‘em though innit? Totally dependent and under control of the state.

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    Misterned says:

    Besides, that Snopes article does NOT contest the context or accuracy and contention that the “story” eludes to, namely that the wealthiest will get sick of paying too much and leave, leaving the poorest ingrates to pay a LOT more than they used to.

    That Snopes article ONLY refers to the authorship of the story.

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    Grumble & Grunt says:

    Hear, hear!

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    Grrr says:

    >Even more than Goebbels.
    The national socialist?

    Oh no!
    Now I can’t run as Tory MP because I said Nazis were Socialists.

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    Curly says:

    But the house he’ll be living in will be so much bigger – and probably come with a snooker room, gym and hot showers too.

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    Grrr says:

    You heartless bastard!

    Do you know how hard it is to march up and down pumping your fist in the air, for up to 3 hours?

    Do you know the sacrifices that Socialists make in those BBC studios, lifting those Gauardian papers, drinking Fair-Trade tea, hating Tories – these are the true heroes of the working class revolution.

    Do you have no heart you Tory bastard.

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    Misterned says:

    I have never ever seen the Daily Mail claim that all benefits claimants are evil, devious, selfish etc… That is a smear by the delusional left wing. But then, unlike most lefties, I actually read the Daily Mail, rather than mindlessly repeat the baseless smears of the left.

    The Daily Mail is exposing how the welfare system has failed the people it was intending to help. For example, the welfare system gave Mick Philpott so much in benefits that his total benefits placed him in the top 1% of incomes in this country. YET the welfare system failed to ensure that his massive income (on which he paid NO income tax at all) was used to ensure that his children were well fed or clothed properly. The welfare system failed his children and it failed every tax-payer who is paying for it.

    Funny how the left cannot see any flaw in a system which makes such scum as Philpott into a member of the exclusive 1% of incomes club, and he did not pay income tax, yet they will go apeshit about a newspaper which exposes the failure of the welfare system which is so obviously badly failing all of us.

    The left are delusional idiots, all of them.

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    Grrr says:

    Capitalist UK?

    That would be most people on the dole who deal drugs or do cash work on the side?

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    Grrr says:

    Piss off back to the Guardian Jakes

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    Grrr says:

    People on the dole have retired.

    Even ones who are 20.

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    Grrr says:

    Don’t diss Mrs Toynbee – botox clinics around Spain rely on her patronage.

    Think of all the pool boys that would be out of work if this Socialist hero were put out of a work.

    Too frightening to consider!

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    Anonymous says:

    I’m a leftie and I understood it. It’s nice and simple, just how the right like it. Unfortunately, it’s absolute bollocks. Simplified, Daily Mail, easy to understand, misleading tosh. But you lot like it, so, carry on.

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    Grrr says:

    Gotta keep those Union jobs coming…

    No welfare scroungers to job ads in the Guardian

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    Grrr says:

    Owen JOnes is a hero of the Workers revolution – he is a true revolutionary.

    The fact that he has never done a single f*ing day’s work in his life is besides the point – he’s a hero.

    When does he get his own BBC series?

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    Grumble & Grunt says:

    There IS an argument for compulsory sterilisation – male & female.
    There is also, of course, “The Final Solution” applied by societal criteria, not necessarily by race.

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    Curly says:

    Shush! If you go on repeating truths like that you will have the Grainiud heavies down on your like a ton of sh*t.

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    Grumble & Grunt says:

    I also get to snog film actresses.

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    One of the duty weatherpersons at the BBC says:

    Snow! The only thing that comes into the country free, makes no claims on anybody – and is White!!

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    The Tenth Man before he went abroad:
    1. would actually not drink with the other ten men. He would be at his own bar with a minimum wage paid bouncer outside where perhaps 8 and 9 might get in as a guest very occsionally
    2. would assume the monies paid to the bottom 6 in tax or benefits were much more than reality and would be surprised through genuine ignorance how little they received. This would be even more acute than all the surveys that show the general public are also surprised at this

    If the tenth man did actually drink with the other 9:
    1. Many readers here would no doubt object to him being compelled to drink with them as he wouldn’t normally do and surely it would reduce his liberty to be forced to do so in view of that rarity?:)
    2. He would as a result of the conversations and friendships he had established with the other 9 including his incredibly rare direct and personal relationship with 1 to 4 would actually be much more empathic and sympathetic to those who had led a different life to him, recognising there is such as thing as ‘society’ and for it to work we do need to appreciate all its elements.

    I welcome the poster of this parable’s commitment to:
    a) Strengthening social capital
    b) Breaking out of the normal ‘people only like me’ social networks
    c) A relational society let alone a relational state
    d) A rare pub environment that is truly ‘one nation’!:)

    So the question to ask. Have you been in a bar recently with groups 1-4 and 10 at the same time?:)

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    One of the duty weatherpersons at the BBC says:

    We need a time limit on these people. 6 months and no job and you’re on the first plane back where you come from – and don’t try to come back as our super duper whizz bang computer will know.

    My mate passed through Malaysia a few months back on his way to Australia and had his fingerprints recorded on entry. Had to stick them on a glass reader pad on the way out too to prove who he was. Why don’t our useless border agency introduce something similar?

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    archiepo says:

    How do you identify the fathers, then?

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    Rt. Hon. Iain Duncan Donuts MP says:

    Former officer if you don’t mind.

    Who are we talking about again?

    Incidentally because he doesn’t have those kids any more the bedr… I mean the spare room thingy kicks in so the joke’s on him.

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    archiepo says:

    He won’t survive jail.

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    Anonymous says:

    @91, We know you’re a Labourite, you’re use of the word ‘disgusting’ just confirms it.

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    Oh dear, I hope all benefits claimants throughout the land are not to be tarred with the Philpott brush? Of course sadly in this crazy country those submitting hate-filled comments in this column about benefit recipients may yet themselves through loss of employment have to claim benefits and maybe gain a more charitable outlook.

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    Hot showers where Philpott will be frightened to pick up the soap if there is any justice.

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    Robin Tudge says:

    good one

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    Stopspendingmytaxonscum says:

    Exactly, right on the cause here. Any person serious about welfare reform should encourage their MP’s to lobby for a complete root up overhaul of the welfare system.

    As a minimum:

    No more cash handouts for benefit claimants whatsoever.

    No more provisions for non UK residents or those not residents for less than 5 years.

    The introduction of a secure voucher system that covers food,housing, transport costs for work seeking and basic shelter.

    Vouchers rendered unredeemable outside government sanctioned outlets.

    Photo ID and secure pin/issue numbering with name of claimant on voucher to prevent fraud or selling on.

    Vouchers are only issued to the value of the amount required per month to keep a human being fed,clothed and housed to a basic acceptable standard and no more, this will not cover electrical goods outside those vital for basic needs. Voucher claimant must demonstrate they are actively seeking to pay their own way via work seeking or other legal means to qualify.

    Child cash benefit to be scrapped completely. If you have children you must pay for them yourself. No longer should having children be the route to riches or extra housing provisions, failure to care properly for your offspring should be a offense, go to prison, and the state takes over, you will then be charged for this care as soon as you are working and earning.

    Unrestricted support and welfare should only be available to the extreme disabled, terminally sick or those who are completely incapable of working at all due to certifiable mental illness, injuries from armed/civil protective service or are elderly and infirm, these people deserve the best care we can afford.

    To harsh?

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    the politics of envy says:

    Prove it’s simplified then leftie, instead of indulging in soundbites.

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    Robin Tudge says:

    Talking of Blair, he’s done very well out of using the state to get lots of children killed, and we’re still forking out for his f***** police protection.
    Now that’s a crime.

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    Dr Evil says:

    You just got it all in a nutshell, and very amusing too.

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    the politics of envy says:

    Lefties don’t understand wealth creation one bit, which is why full on socialism has always failed.

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    terry says:

    When is Philpott going to pay for that perfectly good council house he burnt down to be rebuilt?

  333. 333
    Dr Evil says:

    It does though inform us knuckle draggers of the huge numbers of scroungers and parasites that our taxes pay for. Don’t you like freedom of speech?

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    Dr Evil says:

    Well said, Misterned. The system is broken. The DSS/DWP etc never seem to check how the welfare money is spent; as in making sure the children aka cash cows are being properly looked after.

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    fire's too good for them says:

    If only Owen Jones had more siblings, then his welfare dependent parents might have lit a couple of matches themselves and done us all a favour, quite hard to burn a wet blanket though I suppose

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    golli says:

    Daily Mail – “speaking truth to the welfare state”; Always guarnteed to get up leftie noses!

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    Grrr says:

    “Truth to power” my brother

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    HenryV says:

    I think socialists just like telling others what to do. And if that means glossing over stuff like funding or where the course of action takes those involved in the intermediate to far future.

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    golli says:

    Liebour HQ out in full rebut mode today?

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    Mike Hunt says:

    I had to.

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    but using a couple of disabled people dying after ATOS passed them as fit, that is politically fine, eh Owen?

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    damned impertinent questions says:


    You really do need to get out more.

    I am a product of the welfare state. When I w as a child my father was seriously ill for 6 months. The welfare state supported us through that time. Later as a child I was very ill and it helped treat me, fed me , restored me to health and educated me – I ended up with two degrees. For the last 40 years I have worked hard – just like my parents. I earn a lot and pay a lot in tax.I don’t resent a penny of it if it’s spent wisely.

    But under the last Labour Government the rot set in. The layabout class developed an attitude of entitlement stoked up by a policy positively based on creating a client group who would always vote labour for the cash.

    I want thosef who need help to have it. But in my current business almost weekly I see individuals who are doing the double, driving around in DLA funded cars supposed to be therefor some sick relative,etc tec. About two years ago one turned up for work in a beautiful sleek black Mercedes C Class – I was worried he was a drug dealer but was reassured that it was just on DLA!!! Another employee was recently diagnosed with diabetes. We offered him reasonable adjustments to help him but he fought us at every turn. It was clear he saw this as the jackpot. He begged us to make him redundant so he could declare himself disabled and live off benefit – just like his wife, his parents his in-laws and all his siblings.This man is 30 years old!! We will now support him and his entire extended family for the next 50 or 70 years!!!

    This has to stop.Its an utter shambles that is bleeding the country dry.We are sick of it

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    Loopy Lou LLB (Hons) says:

    Under the rules of Court procedure it is the Judge and the Courts who control the litigation and not the wife.

    an average disputed financial settlement should be over in 6 to 12 months.

    Accusations such as Daddy touched up little Johnny on a contact visit will of course muddy the waters and delay things as will Daddy getting a new girlfriend.

    These are the type of things they do not teach you in law school .

    Judges like nothing better than a good old contested Children Act hearing particularly on a Friday afternoon .

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    2112 says:

    This post contains so many straw men you probably qualify for an agricultural subsidy.

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    Ian says:

    Well said.
    Our current system seems to be hell-bent on a newer version of slavery.
    It’s not about the money, anyone (epecially government) can borrow more. It is about total and absolute control.

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    Ian says:

    I sincerely hope he gets life.
    12-15 years should do for the other 2 twats

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    anon. says:

    Jones denies sending the above tweet?

  348. 348
    Robin Tudge says:

    Amazing, not only has the murder of six children been hijacked to have a go at the welfare state, but you’ve jack-knifed it to have a go at gay marriage as well.

  349. 349
    Robin Tudge says:

    ‘hero of the left’.
    That is an outstanding lie, even among all this hate.

  350. 350
    Robin Tudge says:

    Nah, the interest bill from all those crappy PFI schemes way outstrips the cost of undeserving benefit recipients.

  351. 351
    Robin Tudge says:

    This blog … it’s like the Kuiper Belt.

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    Mark says:

    Public hanging would be too good for this guy

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    Mark says:

    The more people read this, the better! It’s about time people woke up and realized odious creatures like Philpott are everywhere. Britain is just a breeding ground for lazy scroungers who take full advantage of the welfare system and abuse it.

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    Nemesis says:

    I can foresee much lighter sentences than most people think. The judge has had plenty of time since yesterday to think about the sentences and she would know everything about these characters without the defence lawyers trying to lessen their punishment – so why wait until tomorrow. Well, it’s a female judge!!!

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    Mark says:

    Such a shame only a minority of people think this way. Bleak future ahead. Depressing to say the least.

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    superdoopertrooper. says:

    I agree. This pathetic excuse for a man is irresponsible and I believe ITV and the welfare system supported this violent and twisted monster. He enjoyed the media attention that ITV lavished on him and he thought he could get away with anything.

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    The General Public says:

    I make a point of avoiding bars in which I might encounter dreary pompous tw*ts like you.

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    Mark says:

    Anyone that defies the belief that those sponging of welfare are doing it for any other reason than to feed their addiction, whether it’s alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, is quite frankly deluded. People know how to play the system and having as many kids as possible is a great solution to living a life in squalor surrounded by the comforts of drugs.

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    Mark says:

    yes, there is a generalization based on people who live of taxpayers money. But to try an palm off any negative comments about people living in the same sort of way Philpott has is scandalous. There are a number people that need to claim in order to survive and through no fault of their own, but the number that claim because they are lazy scroungers far outweighs those. But fear not, the likes of Philpott will continue to breed and feed their ‘the world owes me a living’ mindset

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    Robin Tudge says:

    when will he lead the coalition, morelike

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  362. 362
    Andrew Fucking Mitchell says:

    Too harsh. Cock! But no it isn’t.

  363. 363
    Andrew Fucking Mitchell says:

    No, you do the math, cock!

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    Andrew Fucking Mitchell says:

    He’s a Hunt!

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    Andrew Fucking Mitchell says:

    What this dripping wet Liberal is trying to tell you is that the provision of benefits is not a bad thing and we shouldn’t change it just because some people don’t use it properly.
    What he doesn’t understand, because well paid liberal academics have no idea what life in the real world is like, is that people will always abuse the benefit system, it is in our nature. It should never pay anyone to be on benefits rather than working. Stronger checks need to placed on the provision of benefits and consequences for abuse of the system otherwise the whole system loses credibility.

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    Andrew Fucking Mitchell says:


  367. 367
    Andrew Fucking Mitchell says:


  368. 368
    Andrew Fucking Mitchell says:

    Can you stop repeating that. Cock!

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    Andrew Fucking Mitchell says:

    Yes, she couldn’t sentence today as she had to rush home and look after the kids. I think you are right re sentencing too. She will give the wife a short sentence. After all she has lost her kids and only has a few years left to bang out some more. Cock!

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    Harry says:

    You, mate, are a disgrace. Callous, bigoted and utterly ignorant.
    The Philpotts are as much a product of the welfare state as you’re a product of journalism.
    Read and reflect http://www.sabotagetimes.com/politics/the-daily-mail-using-tragedy-to-push-their-vile-class-agenda/

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    ed miliband says:

    Mick phillpott is our kind of guy.

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    (i don, says:

    And how much will they all keep costing the tax payer.

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    JH903458340958234 says:

    Yawn, the usual obfuscation and willful ignorance of the left.

    The parable is illustrating why it is idiotic to look at the nominal amounts involved in tax reductions. Those who put more in to begin with are bound to benefit more, in nominal terms.

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    Harbourmaster says:

    I understand, it is not really all that complicated.

    I suppose it centres around whether proportions (percentages) are used or actual figures. As this example uses actual figures, whereas tax takes are largely discussed in percentages (not the savings, but the full take, by the way) it’s not all that apt.

    It also completely ignores the utility of money which is what the western capitalist system is entirely founded on.

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    Bingo says:

    The Nazi state is alive and kicking!

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    JH903458340958234 says:

    The thing is, these ‘communities’ have only held together thus far because the bastard offspring of these losers are actually cared for in many cases by the Grandparents.

    Who is going to care for the offspring of those children? It won’t be their Grandparents – they are the feckless scum that started the cycle in the first place, more interested in Stella, Tattoos and mindless unprotected humping.

    We are about to suffer a wave of truly feral behaviour which even the left can’t ignore and/or romantisise any more.

    Can’t pay for child number one ladies? No more bennies unless you have a doctors note stating you have a contraceptive injection/insert. Things are going to get that bad that such ‘unthinkable’ options will become the norm.

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    Anonymous says:

    ‘Render unto Caesar’ doesn’t cover this, Greedo.

    God will have you burning in Hell for all eternity.


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    Anjin says:

    If you think most people are on the dole then you truly are a delusional moron.

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    Surely there must be a case here for sterilisation. There is a high chance of these creatures being released and continuing to reproduce.

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    JH903458340958234 says:

    Er, no. I won’t contribute to your hit count, you pitiful link whore.

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    JH903458340958234 says:

    As I say above, this generation of feckless scum still have the kid’s Grandparents about to do the actual parenting.

    What happens when their kids have kids?

    Big trouble – then we’ll really see the outcome of Labour’s benefit class experiment.

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    HenryV says:

    Yes. You are right. Here local high schools are tied to one council estate or another. If the discipline continues to slide, which it will, and those schools can’t recruit staff what then? The future is bleak.

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    Pissed Off taxpayer says:

    The Benefit System was designed to be a safety net, not a trampoline for the feckless and/or idle.

    EVERYONE knows someone who meets most, if not all, the following criteria:
    – fathered kids that they do not pay for
    – never worked a day in their life
    – lives in state provided & subsidised house
    – drives a motobility car
    – watches SKY
    – smokes
    – drinks (plenty)
    – obligatory 50″ TV
    – never rises until lunch time

    And to all who disagree, get out of your lefty ivory towers and walk through these estates – like I do EVERY day for a fraction of Butcher Philpott’s £60k a year “take home pay”.

  384. 384
    Curious says:

    Was some child mangler not dispatched quite recently? Hope he has written a will.

  385. 385
    Ed Milliband says:

    We need an enquiry into this scandal; the Labour Party gave all this money away in benefits to encourage the wrong sort to breed, eh, to vote, eh, um,….

  386. 386
    nonleft says:

    So the mail finally come out as a bunch of fascists
    Haha wheres the news

  387. 387
    Camden Grass says:

    It’s quite a common site to see fire engines arriving in the local area of council ‘street housing’. Council houses ablaze on a regular basis. Three in my road alone since the beginning of the year, and those are only the fires I saw. The motive is usually some eejit who wants to be given a new flat or house. The other residents can all die for all the fireraiser cares.
    One council tenant told me while sitting on the loo he felt a bit warm, so he looked down to see a flame coming up from underneath.
    The excuse is always (‘smoking-while-drinking accident’).

    Doesn’t ever seem to happen in private housing.

    So just bear in mind, this case isn’t isolated.

  388. 388
    john wilson says:

    It is clear money was his motivation but u can’t compare him to all those on benefits. Where r the jobs for all these people. It was thatcher and successive governments that have kept unemployment high

  389. 389
    Old Axe Murderer says:

    Philpott did what he did because he was a manipulative, amoral psychopath. Blaming the welfare estate because of one extreme case is disingenuous in the extreme.

  390. 390
    John Douglas says:

    twisted logic here.. does not stand up to any scrutiny.. hypocritical in the extreme.. your credibility is now zero.. goodbye

  391. 391
    Anonymous says:

    Wait for him to claim his human right to have visits and sex with his girlfriend
    You know it will happen

  392. 392
    Anonymous says:

    And they reopened all the mines

  393. 393
    Greychatter says:

    Philpotts and his wife will be detained for whatever number of years at a cost of around fifty thousand each to the taxpayer.

    The rest of his children will be cared for by social services until they are all of working age or until they all get jobs.

    This product of the Left’s warped Welfare State will never stop costing the hard working taxpayer of this country.

  394. 394
    bodo says:

    The left are never slow to exploit the holocaust for their political advantage, with even moderate right-wingers often smeared as Nazis.

  395. 395
    David B says:

    And a welfare cap is unfair!

  396. 396
    Anonymous says:

    And it’s worth pointing out, the beloved guardian is the other side of the same coin. You should read these sites with an open mind. Both papers are the most awful exponents of extremities and hyperbole. Read around.

  397. 397
    Anonymous says:

    Do you mean the Royals? By the way, the Queen is to receive a £5m boost from the taxpayer to carry out her official duties – talk about living off state hand-outs?

  398. 398
    Anonymous says:

    Yes the hard-right on the Daily Mail (and this site) are truly Vile and evil.

  399. 399
    Anonymous says:

    So we should thank the Daily Mail for its’ caring, honest and fair-minded reporting? Just waiting for their report on Tax Avoidance. Or whether the Queen will pay the Bedroom Tax?

  400. 400
    Anonymous says:

    Clearly, while they might not use the words “evil, devious, selfish”, that is what they meant. Someone would have to be a delusional idiots not to understand this – or a Daily Mail reader.

  401. 401
    micktravis1968 says:

    God there’s some idiots on here.

    The rich are screwing over the entire population, taking all the loot for themselves (as exemplified by the further £5million hand-out to arch-scrounger in chief Elizabeth Windsor and her vile family of gangsters); surprise surprise, the rich hold up – in the newspapers and on the TV stations that THEY OWN (big BIG hint here, guys) – some petty scoundrel as somehow representative of all the poor and needy in the country; and surprise surprise, all the braindeads fall for it!!

    Thank God the young people coming through now actually have some brains, unlike this nenanderthal generation of middle-aged Thatcherite lower-middle class semi-detached white-van-driving Union-Jack-waving morons who’ve held this country back for so long. Well done you idiots; well done for going along with the rich’s mass liquidation and looting of this country’s entire economic base; well done to you all for cheerleading the police and the army as the entire country was stolen from under your noses while you were all too busy gawping at the pretty pictures and guzzling the spoon-fed blame- and hate-fodder of the Sun, the Mail, and the Express. Well done you f*cking morons.

    History’s after-thought, the lot of you.

  402. 402
    mrjohn says:

    thank you

    I am a-political, and I left the UK 25 years ago because it is a shit hole with no future, no self respect, and no class

    as amply demonstrated by the frothing morons yelling into echo chambers both right and left

  403. 403
    Bill Shakespeare says:

    You nicked that.

  404. 404
    Stopspendingmytaxonscum says:

    Bingo, you must used at least 1 braincell to write that comment, of course wanting a reformed welfare system is Nazi, I mean they really looked after the disabled and mentally ill didn’t they.

    You sure are a great example of a typical little leftie, how dare the normal folks want their tax money spent fairly eh, I bet you also scream racist when anyone wants to discuss immigration?

  405. 405

    This goes on to the next generation who have only seen non-working parents, on to the next generation and the next as yet unborn generation. A new class to working class,
    lower working class. and now benefits class. No end in sight…..sterilisation as a law??

  406. 406
    Enery vee eigthf says:

    Wiki says Henry V had “a sudden and unexpected death in France”. You planning any cross-channel trips this year ?

  407. 407
    Enery vee eigthf says:

    +15 trillion (and growing)

  408. 408
    Anonymous says:

    What we are really talking about is the Daily Mail helping with State Warfare against the poor and disabled. Upper Class War?

  409. 409
    Anonymous says:

    But was he a useless knob BEFORE he joined the Army?

  410. 410
    Anonymous says:

    Had the institution he went AWOL picked up on his problems…?

  411. 411
    Anonymous says:

    Ask the bankers whether people become rich by hard work alone?

  412. 412

    15 years !! he should have received 10 years for each child, i.e not to leave prison and his ‘wife’ the same.
    I was brought up in a council house in Burnt Oak with 4 siblings plus parents, it had 3 bedrooms and even though we did argue a lot there was never a thought to try to obtain a larger house, then again my parents worked and did not ever claim benefits,.
    In our day you only received child benefit for the 2nd child and my Mother was really grateful for this, My Father walked around all his life working as a waiter with a bullet in his thigh received during the 2nd world war, we never asked for any compensation even though he should have received a disability pension.

  413. 413
    Anonymous says:

    Also, while the Con-Dems plan to spend at least 20 billion pounds on “independent” (US made and controlled) Weapons of Mass Destruction, there is “no money” to help the poor and/or disabled. Yet will anyone on this site mention such a waste of tax-payers money?

  414. 414
    Anonymous says:

    The Daily Mail: Using Human Tragedy to Push Their Vile Class Agenda

    “…In one sense, there’s little new here; the putrid rag, right from its Hitler-glorifying headline, ‘Hurrah for The Blackshirts’ all the way to the present day, has consistently articulated the most vile prejudices and bigotries of its blue-rinsed, would-be middle-class, Conservative readership. On the other hand, the stomach-turning cynicism of both the sentiment and timing of today’s front-page marks a new low for a publication one might reasonably have concluded couldn’t possibly sink any lower. “Inside the house of depravity: Two giant TVs, a snooker room but the children were barely fed by Mick Philpott whose sordid lifestyle beggars belief!” screams the Hate Mail, in its usual strident tones of sanctimony and sneering self-righteousness…”

    Will not use the link because you have no interest in reading or reflecting on what the report is saying?

  415. 415
    Anonymous says:

    “…In conclusion, then, we can be certain of several things; the Daily Mail, along with its troglodyte scribblers and hacks, who laughably pass for journalists, are an affront to decency, fairness and honesty. With today’s headline they have confirmed their standing as the most toxic faecal lump floating in the sewer of British tabloid ‘journalism’. The comments in response to the rag’s noxious online edition of the Philpott article confirms, beyond any doubt, that’s its readers are stupidly ignorant, cruel and spiteful bigots. Following all this, though, we can also be sure of thing more; they, and the Daily Mail, spit in the very face of humanity”.

  416. 416
    Anonymous says:

    Get’s even better when the split crosses the Border. Faced with history repeating itself as well – When wife was 8 her father went away to sort family business and ended up cut out of family (a story I’m still learning more and more about – but let’s say a certificate of presumed death sorted that one out (for a man aged 38-39), so his wife gets all.

    Now I seem to be getting same regime – violent behaviour lead eventually to her arrest – but referral gets dropped because kids & her cross border to stay with mother. Voluntary payments not enough – so she calls in CSA – and gets less, demands “Where’s my (I though CSA money was for the children) money” “No money no see/speak to kids” Would love to have resources to check out a lot of things. Any PI’s do pro bono? Cross border makes worse. but we see many cases of lack of any national networking between SWD, often with result of serious harm to the kids.

    With the form of Philpotts emerging after the trail one wonders how fit for purpose all this assembled bureaucracy actually is.

  417. 417
    Anonymous says:

    Agreed. These rabid right-wingers are so good at self-delusion.

  418. 418
    Anonymous says:

    But what about the WARfare State? Do not hard working taxpayer object to (at least) 20 million pounds being wasted on new Weapons of Mass Destruction?

  419. 419
    Anonymous says:


  420. 420
    Anonymous says:

    Income Tax was introduced in the early 19th Century, not the mid 20th. At that point in history, we “owned” half the world. Owning India made us the dominant economy of the world. We started taking money off people who worked to pay for the navy to protect that global trade from the French and to pay for the war against Napoleon.

    Now if you’re arguing that we were the dominant economy in the world in 1945, that’s just plainly ludicrous. As is suggesting that benefits are the reason our economy is “fucked”. In case you hadn’t noticed, we don’t have an empire any more. We don’t even own what’s left of manufacturing industry in the UK.

  421. 421
    Anonymous says:

    The COW on SUNDAY shows who’s to blame and even names names http://fascistcow.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/shameless.html#links

  422. 422
    HBOS was the evil accomplice of bankers who tried to burn down the economy says:

    Thanks, now I know why Gideon has given his class another tax break, to pay for my ale!

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