April 2nd, 2013

Ingrams to Hislop: Time to Move On

An interesting snippet from the Press Gazette interview with Richard Ingrams, who reflects on Private Eye:

“It’s very, very different from what it used to be, I think the satirical part of it is different – it’s become a lot of little pieces as opposed to a few quite long pieces. It’s much more bang, bang, bang. There’s a lot more factual stuff than there used to be, particularly at the front of the magazine. I find I could do with less of it. I think Ian Hislop’s attitude is that the punters have to be given their money’s worth but you do feel slightly that every page is crammed with as much copy or jokes as you could get in.”

Ingrams, who is 75, ended his official involvement with Private Eye at the beginning of 2012 when he gave up as chairman, though he points out that this was always an “honorary” title after he stood down as editor in 1986. Although Ingrams appointed Hislop to replace him, he also suggests that perhaps it is time for his successor to start thinking about stepping down – “I’m a great believer in resigning”.

Guido is hearing more and more moaning about l’enfant terrible turned BBC six figure game keeper. A subject he shall return to…


67 Comments

  1. 1
    Gary Jones says:

    Why take issue with Private Eye?

    • 3
      green eyed monster says:

      because Guido is jealous.

      and Ingrams is criticising the Eye for doing exactly what Guido does, providing lots of snippets of things in a short form. it’s almost like Guido feels threatened.

      • 12
        Default PIN says:

        Because it goes after the hacks that Guido likes to protect.

      • 24
        spanows says:

        No, the clue (not hard to spot) is in the final sentence:

        “Guido is hearing more and more moaning about l’enfant terrible turned BBC six figure game keeper. A subject he shall return to…”

        Hislop has been acting as a cringingly embarrassing fig leaf for the BBC, you expect it of unfunny Merton but not Hislop.

        • 30
          Airey Belvoir says:

          Let’s rewrite it: “Guido is hearing more and more about himself as a former enfant terrible turned six-figure News International gamekeeper,”

          • spanows says:

            If revealing the Leverson shambles for the leftie fascist anti-free press shite-fest that it was makes Guido a News International gamekeeper then there’s more of us than you’d think.

          • you are a moron says:

            ‘leftie fascist’ some incredible contortions to get to that idea.

          • you are a moron says:

            and i think its more about this so called libertarian bastion of free thought and speech willingly taking the Murdoch coin, and before that the pornographer in chief, Desmond.

        • 41
          CoryBantes says:

          When you become more establishment than the establishment that you tried to destroy, it is time to move on.

          Hislop is an old man blocking the careers of younger comedians

          • damned impertinent questions says:

            Yeah…he’s blocking them because people want to hear him not hopeless wannabes

    • 13
      The don't shoot Gayers says:

      Is it illegal to be a Fascist?

      If not, then isn’t any discrimination against a fascist illegal?

      • 20
        Aaron D Highside says:

        Hislop went Beeboid ages ago.

        • 33
          Grrr says:

          Public School, Leftist, dislikes Tories, faux intellectual.

          How can he be any more BBC?

      • 22
        Lord Pont says:

        Is it legal to discriminate against racists ?

        • 32
          Kenfrom says:

          Is it illegal not to like another race?

          • damned impertinent questions says:

            No but it is illegally to discriminate> And it can be illegal at a football match to give a Nazi Salute

            Still, the owners of Sunderland seem to be aiming to become the new Millwall and attract an army of EDL followers> Good luck to them.

            The problem is that the real fans will burn them and eventually the FA will have to wake up and act

          • Anonymous says:

            It can be illegal or it is illegal? Either it is or it isn’t. Do give us some facts, do.

    • 39
      Jimmy says:

      The salad dodgers want an invite to HIGNFY.

  2. 2
    green eyed monster says:

    i love it when you are so transparently jealous Guido.

  3. 4
    London is no longer truly English. Get a devolved English Parly. Twats says:

    Fatty bully is picking on a gnome.

  4. 5
    Guido wants a new job says:

    dusting off the CV guido?

  5. 6

    Someone at the Eye must really have pissed in your soup. You are both forces for good: let it go.

  6. 7
    Green eyed monster says:

    Jealous much Guido?

    Private Eye is on an entirely different level from your grubby little website and you know it.

    It’s a print publication true, but it still manages to bring to light more wrong doing in a fortnight than you could ever hope to in a year. There is an enormous credibility gap between you and them.

    In any case people can still manage to appreciate and use the internet for info as well as the dead tree press, it’s not a binary choice you know.

    IIRC you make 50% of your income (such as it is) from brokering stories to the gutter press anyway so they are evidently of some use.

    • 14
      Ooooh get you says:

      Yes. Fatty should see it as a compliment that the gnome publishes his stuff.

    • 26
      total hypocrite says:

      thats the income in offshore companies, hidden from view whilst Guido attacks other publications for being loss making and calling for transparency in public life. Wheres your accounts Guido, wheres your credibility?

  7. 8
    SamCam says:

    “Prime Minister David Cameron” says:
    March 27, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Two poos by 10 a.m., and there was me thinking I wouldn’t achieve anything

    The only problem is about having 2 poos by 10 a.m. is that my Dave never got out of bed untill 11 a.m.

  8. 9
    Penfold says:

    C’mon Guido, Private Eye are not competition, live and let live.

    Let Hislop insinuate his way into the Beeb and respectability, he’s showing his true colours………….

  9. 10
    Anonymous says:

    Really, there are much better targets for you both to aim at….

  10. 11
    Andrew Neil's Fan Club says:

    Hislop is great at the Eye and funny on the BBC. Satire is just that; satire! I do however think the BBC needs to move Paxman off Newsnight and put Andrew Neil in his place. With Andrew Neil we get a throughly well researched, well-read and independent journalist. His interviews are always incisive and sharp…

    • 18
      Thick socialist says:

      You’re that bint who looks like David Coulthard in a wig, who sits next to Brillo and I claim my five pounds worth of stroppy cow vouchers.

  11. 15
    I feel your pain says:
    • 17
      Thick socialists says:

      Is Andy Burnham engaged to a granny?
      And she has obviously called it off.

      • 25
        Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:

        What does his granny look like? Does she need comforting from a hard working MP? Boaz.

        • 51
          NHS Hero Worker of the People says:

          Best Andy send his Gran to Mid Staffs to treat that finger.

    • 19
      Welsh activist says:

      What goes around.

    • 46
      damned impertinent questions says:

      And which Government created this system? HAs Andy told Gordon what he thinks of him?

  12. 16
    Charlie the Chump says:

    Stopped reading the eye when I reached puberty many, many, many years ago

    • 27
      Ichabod says:

      I used to subscribe to the Eye back in the golden age when The Cloggies and Barry Mckenzie were in it.
      No longer. I bought an Eye a few months ago. I have no desire to buy another.

    • 40
      Weygand says:

      “Must get out more” “Will not be renewing my subscription” “keep up the good work” added to “pseudo names” “lookalike” etc etc.
      Those who buy the Eye to show they are original and witty should know that the joke is on them because the magazine has become formulaic, repetitive and dull. As E J Thribb might observe, ‘the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead’.
      One gets the impression that the majority of those who produce and subscribe are (as am I) well over 50 and if so would be hard to envisage how the Eye could be reinvigorated.

  13. 23
    Ed Balls Fisted My Hamster says:

    All those of you out there spouting the “Guido’s jealous” line are missing the point entirely. Guido’s aim is to expose, ridicule and counter hypocrisy and cant and the purveyors of it, and Hislop has morphed over the past couple of years (and, I’m probably not a million miles away in thinking, since induction into CP) into the living, breathing embodiment of such.

    Hislop’s funny, sure, but his subtexts have veered sharply to the smug, self-satisfied and reality-deficient Primrose Hill region of the left.

    • 29
      total hypocrite says:

      i think Guido jumped that particular shark when he took Murdochs shilling.

      he is no longer the independent seeker of truth, but even more a part of the establishment he pretends to despise.

    • 31
      Green eyed monster says:

      And Guido has morphed into someone sucking on Murdoch’s engorged member (having graduated from some other gutter pornographers rag) and is hardly a slouch in the smug self satisfied stakes.

      Guido is only anti authority and vested interests when it suits him.

      What ever his public persona Hislop still runs a organisation that speaks truth to power and holds scumbags accountable every fortnight.

  14. 34
    the poor bloody tax-payer says:

    we’re talking of a period of c50 yrs – the circumstances have changed

    an old world (supermac, douglas-tomb etc) was dying when ingrams & co merrily greased its coffin

    the new world substitutes (wislon, spiggy topes etc) were as ridiculous in their pretence and ignorance as were the former in their arrogance and fecklessness

    in retrospect they were glorious free targets

    50yrs on the army of the meedjahadeen doesn’t see beyond itself and equivalents in politics and finance – all in centraL london – a world of gossip and posture

    there may not even be a concept of a ‘britain’ worthy and capable of improvement – and therefore to be ragged mercilessly because of its failings

    in which case wither(sic) satire?

  15. 35
    Jess The Dog says:

    I would be more understanding if Guido hadn’t embraced the ‘dead tree press’. But – in any case – Private Eye is better, broader and deeper, and I can live with the 2 week interva. The recent Guido April Fool gag was baffling insider navel-gazing unfunniness.

  16. 36
    Hislop's Wheel of Smugness says:

    I stopped taking PE a few years ago – we once had 3 subscriptions in our family and now all have lapsed.

    It is simply no longer relevant: it is days/weeks behind the news you see on the internet; it became more and more obsessed with incestuous stories about journalistic non-entities; it has missed or failed on all the great political stories in the last 15 years (eg expenses, the corruption in Labour north and Scottish fiefdoms). Some of the columnists like Muckspreader and MD are interesting, but even then are no longer relevatory.

    And most of the really great cartoonists have snuffed it over the last few years.

    • 55
      Cato Street Conspirator says:

      ‘I stopped taking PE a few years ago – we once had 3 subscriptions in our family and now all have lapsed.

      It is simply no longer relevant…’

      I suppose you don’t now people were saying that in 1965, 1975, 1985, 1995… as they were saying ‘Punch isn’t what it was’ in 1910, 1920, 1930, 1940, 1950…

      • 61
        Hislop's Wheel of Smugness says:

        And where is Punch today ?

        I used to subscribe to Punch from 1982 to its demise in 1992. I don’t count Mr Harrods’ attempted resurrection Ifirst started on PE about the same time.

        People say such things all the time about favoured magazines, be it Viz, The Beano, Speccie when Boris left…

        PE’s circulation still seems to be healthy, but such is its format and the paucity of so much of its subject matter that it simply can’t keep up, let alone abreast with any of the news in it.

  17. 38
    Hislop's Wheel of Smugness says:

    BTW regarding Guido’s April Fool Joke

    I didn’t even bother to read it : Damian McBride ? ( yawn) Belardinelli ? (Who he?)

    the sort of stuff I’m accusing PE of …

  18. 42
    Anonymous says:

    A bit sad that a Murdoch Whore criticizes PE. Have they been having a go at your beloved leader Guido? Also, “Best Before 2 Weeks ago”??? This interview you’re quoting is over 5 weeks old FFS.

  19. 43
    damned impertinent questions says:

    HAs Ian slept with Mrs Guido perhaps? Or stolen your favourite Teddy Bear

    • 50
      you are a moron says:

      there is a Mrs Guido? I am staggered by that, based upon his output on here I always assumed Guido was a homosexual with a penchant for black labour politicans.

  20. 52
    Frightened Inmate #2 says:

    Most of Private Eye seems devoted to recording which hacks I’ve never heard of are sleeping with/sucking up to/feuding with other hacks I’ve never heard of. It may prove useful for some researcher of media sociology in a century’s time but it’s not satirical, or even readable.

    • 57
      Yes Yes Yes To Plain Packs says:

      Media Guido, on the other hand, will rightly be looked upon in centuries to come with the same reverence as the Histories of Herodotus and the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles.

  21. 53
    Yes Yes Yes To Plain Packs says:

    “I think Ian Hislop’s attitude is that the punters have to be given their money’s worth… every page is crammed with as much copy or jokes as you could get in”

    Sounds brilliant – where do I buy a copy? Wow, hang on, it’s only £1.50 – and their latest subscription offer works out at just over £1 an issue!

    Packed with genuinely funny cartoons, loads of substantial investigative journalism and no subservience to offshore plutocratic media barons! Where else can you get value like that?

  22. 54
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    Hislop is a smug little git. Satire should be the product of angry little gits.

  23. 56
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    Mr Fawkes works for Murdoch. A sad decline that I regret.

  24. 59

    Better to be a has been than a never was. Get out and go at the top.

  25. 60
    Blind_leading_the_blind says:

    “…it’s become a lot of little pieces as opposed to a few quite long pieces….”

    Presumably catering to the attention span of its readers

  26. 63
    Lord Gnome (Proprietor) says:

    Fall outs at The Eye are not news. There have always been fall outs in and around The Eye. Pay no attention. A load of old women.

    Ingrams is currently in his dotage and has fallen out with Hislop.

    Remember how they all got together and sacked Christopher Booker as Editor only for him to get back in?

    Move along, nothing to see here.

    I dare say..
    (Cont. Page 94)

  27. 65
    Turnip Taleban says:

    Hislop has taken the Eye a long way since he took over – now they mainly win (or simply do not have) legal battles, as opposed to having their readers pay for damages. At least the Eye are (were) subject to UK law.

  28. 66
    tito says:

    private eye is funny… you either have it or you don’t sadly Guido, you don’t.

  29. 67
    dating says:

    Hi, thanks for sharing.


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