April 2nd, 2013

Dr George and Mr Osborne
Different Figures in Different Versions of Chancellor’s Speech

Two versions of the Osborne speech have been distributed today. One via the HMT press office, that stated:

“That means about one in every six pounds of tax that working people like you pay was going on working age benefits.”

Yet the version that CCHQ pushed half an hour later said:

“That means about one in every seven pounds of tax that working people like you pay was going on working age benefits.”

The Treasury version stated:

“In 2010 alone, payments to working age families cost £90 billion.”

Yet the CCHQ version says:

“In 2010 alone, payments to working age families cost £75 billion.” 

Which figures are accurate?

Via Sam Coates.

158 Comments

  1. 1
    Egham Chips says:

    More public sector incompetence!

    If someone distributed misleading info like this on behalf of a supermarket or a computer company they’d probably get sacked. I bet these bungling nincompoops don’t even issue an apology.

  2. 2
    Steve says:

    The point remains the same. 1 in 7 or 1 in 6, or 1 in 3 – – who cares, still too many scroungers

  3. 3
    Whingeing winnie says:

    None of them and hiow much of that is going on gold Plated Cicil Servants and Public Workers pensions who take retirement in there early 50s ?

  4. 4
    Every Little Help says:

    This is True.

    If Tesco ran the health service then every hospital would have a line of scanners were people could do their own Self check out and avoid the queues.

  5. 5
    A Firm Pair Of Breasts says:

    Dr George and Mr Osborne are misleading from the same hymn sheet.

  6. 6
    Mad, Bad & Dangerous Gordon McRuin ( Member in absentia ) says:

    All of those figures are correct: I still keep all my old financial statements and they give me a good belly laugh whenever I re-read them.

  7. 7
    I am going for a paddle in my canoe says:

    You can fool all of the people some of the time……………………………

  8. 8
    Fat Mah says:

    How much does it cost the nation to keep Diane Abbott?

  9. 9
    Benny Fitz-Clements says:

    Morning all. What’s all this fuss about ?

  10. 10
    Sir William Wade says:

    They are both Government Statistics and, as such, not worth the pixels they are reproduced by.

  11. 11
    No Future in Edinburgh says:

    What’s a few billion here and there? Let the great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandchildren work like slaves for our economic f*ck ups.

  12. 12
  13. 13
    Go figure it out. Sir Humphrey. says:

    Sir Humphrey.

    Correct, all those figures are accurate according to which figures one chooses to work the figures out from.

  14. 14
    No Future in Edinburgh says:

    Tesco’s shitty hand.

  15. 15
    Under Labour, the one pound would be taxed at one pound in the pound says:

  16. 16
    simmo70 says:

    BROKEN BRITAIN UNDER TORIES – CAMERON’S MANAGERIAL SKILLS
    Cameron we the population of Britain have suffered your Lies and Spin but now your managerial skills are put into question, you allow one Foreign Secretary on the Gravy Train to let his mate tag along free .You allow a man that should be tried for Corporate Manslaughter to keep his job .You allow a personal mate to run the Economy who couldn’t add up a shopping list ,a Fascist to be in Charge of Welfare in this Country and you expect us the Electorate to take you seriously ,Miliband is no better doing an underhand deal with you behind the scenes allowing Labour an inquiry into Welfare Reform .I’ve ‘heard of gutter press‘ but it’s now ‘Gutter Government’ we are the sheep that need rescuing from you wwwbrokenbritainundertories.com

  17. 17
    A Home Truth for lefties. says:

    Why are the left so angry about today’s welfare reform?

    Because it’s popular – and right.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/fraser-nelson/2013/04/why-the-left-are-so-angry-about-todays-welfare-reform-because-its-popular-and-right/

  18. 18
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Cameron and Osborne can’t organise a piss up in a brewery, unless of course that is the impression their press team want to create.

  19. 19
    Socialist says:

    Hello Tories.

  20. 20
    Anonymous says:

    Surely no believes a thing any of these f_ckers says? Use your eyes look around the place is skid row and they know it. We buy more than we make to sell it’s very simple really. Our elite have pissed away over the last 50 years all that was left of 300 years of wars, revolution, invention and shear hard work that this nation went through. They know this that is why they are busy robbing the last bits of cash out the system. At some point the Trokia will be called in as our economy makes less sense than Italy’s or Greece’s once you factor out the ponzi banking sector, and that will surely head east over the next 10 years. Then the cuts that should have been made 3 years ago will be imposed and we will surrender the little that is left to the grand EU project.

  21. 21
    Hucklebury Hound says:

    Any chance of reducing VAT to its original rate of 10%?

    Remember when it was introduced no one had a mobile phone, electricity bills were exempt and votable internet home services had not been thought of.

  22. 22
    Anonymous says:

    What’s 15 billion between oligarchs?
    Iraqi refugee clears 4k permonth on sub let apartment at council tax payers expense.
    The real issue is graft and corruption is rampant
    see http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17185294 Its far easier to aim an assault on spare rooms than to address this level of graft and corruption from immigrant landlords.
    Thats why I’m voting UKIP and so should you.

  23. 23
    Baroness Scotland says:

    Morning ?! It’s quarter past one you lazy scrounging c”nt.

  24. 24
    Owen Jones says:

    Cyprus finance minister submits his resignation.

    I hope George Osborne follows.

  25. 25
    The Chinese Communist Party says:

    Our socialist policy is simple – if you work, you eat.

  26. 26
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Paolo Di Canio column: The transfer window is a good thing

    BBC Sport have signed up one of football’s most controversial and colourful characters, Paolo Di Canio.

    The former Celtic, Sheffield Wednesday and West Ham star will be writing a monthly column for the Sport website, discussing life as Swindon Town manager and commenting on the game’s big issues.

    To kick-off, the Italian talks about the transfer window…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19431338

  27. 27
    CoryBantes says:

    Someone has to pay for Gideon’s coke habit.

  28. 28
    Herr Herman Van Rompuy says:

    No chance. Like gayers marriage and taxing energy VAT at 20% (or more) is an EU Dictat.

  29. 29
    CarryHole is a silly Hunt says:

    Governments are good at running things that check people out…

    Bergen Belsen
    Staffs NHS trust.
    1930s Ukraine.

  30. 30
    I have gone for a paddle in my canoe says:

    We appear to have a Chancellor who is not very good at accounting and who is not able to recruit a competent team around him .

    Do we really have to put up with this and pay for it until 2015 ?

    Remember none of us were told yet alone consulted about this little stitch up.

  31. 31
    CarryHole is a silly Hunt says:

    Can we also ban Socialists from Football?

  32. 32
    Hannibal from Carthage says:

    But the original VAT dictat came from Europe in 1973 .

  33. 33
    nellnewman says:

    Too much!

  34. 34
    CarryHole is a silly Hunt says:

    Rich Diversity Canadian Style!

    http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-89743-4-.htm#89743

  35. 35
    Benny Fitz-Clements says:

    I’m on BST: Benefits Scroungers Time.

  36. 36
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    200K have signed petition calling on IDS to to prove he can live on £53 a week for a year, not a few days.

    Join them https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/iain-duncan-smith-iain-duncan-smith-to-live-on-53-a-week

  37. 37
    Anonymous says:

    George Osborne is a complete and utter gobshite.

  38. 38
    Neil Warnock says:

    Such things take a lot of organising you know.

  39. 39
    CarryHole is a silly Hunt says:

    None of the figures are accurate.

    They should state the figures as EXTORTED FROM taxpayers rather than to the shirking classes.

  40. 40
    Anonymous says:

    Are you suggesting that both sets of figures are cast-iron?

  41. 41
    Anonymous says:

    IDS is a complete and utter gobshite.

  42. 42
    Sir William Wade says:

    Ed Balls for Chancellor! Lance Armstrong for Health Minister! Chris Huhne for Justice Minister!

  43. 43
    Taxfodder says:

    No good asking Government their figs are consistently wrong…as we all know they tend to make them up to suit their argument.

  44. 44
    CarryHole is a silly Hunt says:

    Maybe the 200,000 can be invited to voluntarily give the state the money to raise the amount.

  45. 45
    nellnewman says:

    Well the chancellor before him was even worse and if bullyballs takes over in 2015 – george osborne will look like a genius.

  46. 46
    Sir William Wade says:

    Most people round the world live on much less than that.

  47. 47
    CarryHole is a silly Hunt says:

    >Lance Armstrong for Health Minister!

    Er, his stimulus is the only one that actually worked.

  48. 48
    Long John Silver's parrot says:

    If Ed Moribund were to be ousted and replaced by a certain person within the Westminster labour party then one two or even three pairs of old calming hands could be persuaded to return .

    Think about it if you do not believe me

  49. 49
    CarryHole is a silly Hunt says:

    Seems there’a an awful lot of Agneda 21ing going on, it’s not just the EUSSR that’s fighting for a global cartel of rent-seekers.

  50. 50
    CarryHole is a silly Hunt says:

    Most of the time the Marxist policy is pretend to work, and the state will pretend to feed you.

  51. 51
    nellnewman says:

    The £53 referred to by mr david bennet is the amount he had left to buy food for himself after the state had paid all his other bills and housing benefit etc.

    As mr bennet admitted on his own facebook page , instead of spending the £53 on food he spends it on booze and gambling.

    Most of us do not spend £53 per week per head on food – we live on considerably less than that for our food bill and we live well.

    As for mr bennet’s other statistic, which looks about as dodgy as osborne’s figures above, he said he earned £2700 over 14 months by working 50/70 hours a week on his market stall. I suspect HMRC need to be taking a closer look at his books!

  52. 52
    John Tandy says:

    Toss a coin. Politicians are not known for letting the facts get in the way of a good spun story. How much has George saved of the £60 billion a year Nu Labour were spending on Quango’s in 2009 ? He said he would make a bonfire of them all. Has he or was that merely smoke and mirrors too ?

  53. 53
    CarryHole is a silly Hunt says:

    > Fascist to be in Charge of Welfare

    Er Fascists believe in everything controlled by the state and thus a big state. That sounds much more like a leftwinger’s beliefs.

  54. 54
    Jimmy says:

    “Which figures are accurate?”

    Seriously?

    That’s so sweet.

  55. 55
    I have gone for a paddle in my canoe says:

    Of course Ian Duncan Smith is going to accept the challenge .

    He is a man of conviction ability determination and integrity.

  56. 56
    St Paul says:

    I agree

  57. 57
    The Truth will set you free says:

    He’s not though is he. Since he was dumped as leader he has devoted himself to the welfare problem and how it destroys lives.

    He is actually one politician who has actually been out to the ghettos and visited the people broken by a state system that keeps people on the pverty line all their lives and they actually wish for nothing better.

    Quite why Labour wants to keep millions of people in poverty and ignorance is something they have never explained, except most of these people have become habitual labour voters.

  58. 58
    Whatever happened to that apology? says:

    BBC News calling it a ‘Bedroom Tax’ AGAIN!

  59. 59
    Hannibal from Carthage says:

    Many years ago I went to a Young Conservatives Ball in search of what is sometimes referred to here as “tottie” .

    Having seen what was on offer I soon bid a hasty retreat .

    Someone like Duncan Smith who has stayed the course must undoubtedly have all the attributes you list .

  60. 60
    M says:

    Why don’t they just rebrand the benefits system
    Call it “STATE CHARITY”
    You know , where we as a society look after the truly vulnerable , and make scroungers off the system criminals who are thriving from the vulnerable
    No!

  61. 61
    Andy Coulson says:

    yeah 60 million of us paying that morons’ nasal quaffing. Shame Guido just laps it up…

  62. 62
    Nadine's left nipple says:

    You can call it what you fuckin like .

    All I know for sure is that I am paying for it every time I pay a tax .

    I am fast running out of patience .

  63. 63
    Small Business says:

    If the government cut VAT to 10%, I am willing to bet that there woold be a massive increase in investment by small busiensses almost immediatelty and lots of jobs would be created. The reason private firms are sitting on such large piles of cash they do not invest is because with VAT at such a high rate and the penalties for late payment being so punitive, they have had to build up their anti-bureaucrat cash cushions.

  64. 64
    100,000 dead Iraqi civilians says:

    Glad you’re amused.

  65. 65
    Lord Stansted says:

    This guy has a “Facebook page”? He presunably therefore has a computer, broadband, time on his hand and zero cells in his brain. He’s loved by the BBC, of course.

  66. 66
    nellnewman says:

    It’s hardly a challenge to feed yourself on £53 a week!

    Most of us don’t spend that much money per head on food and still live well. The only people who can’t feed themselves well on that sort of money are people like mr david bennet who admits he spends most of it on booze and gambling.!!

  67. 67
    Anonymous says:

    Guido, Who cares? It is just too much money.

  68. 68
    Nadine's left nipple says:

    The point of an open Election is to get in someone better than the previous incumbent .

    The ineptitude of the predecessor does not deflect criticism of todays incumbent .

  69. 69
    nellnewman says:

    The beeb and labour have to accept , as Dan Hodges said this morning, that the tories have won the argument over benefit cuts and labour and the leftybeeb are on the wrong side of the fence.

    Most people support the cuts .

  70. 70
    Lord Stansted says:

    +1

  71. 71
    Corinne Stockheath says:

    12,000 killed at Stafford

    900,000 bogus sickie claims

    You want numbers: – we gottem!

  72. 72
  73. 73
    Magpie says:

    MRI scans cost about £20 a go in China. The machines work all day, every day. Many more patients get MRI scans and the patients get their results the same day from a consultant at the hospital. Here they are used relatively rarely, are very expensive per scan and only get used after less effective diagnostic tools have been used first. it takes days for the results to filter back to the GP, who then wastes days before he sees his patient.

    The costs of medicine in the NHS is an absolute scandal, and it is due in part to the doctors pretending they are priests and not being willing to use the equipment properly. They should use the best diagnostic tools asap and stop spending weeks putting up barriers to its use or to patients finding out the results.

  74. 74
    Jimmy is a Labour shill says:

    Hi Jimmy

    Any time you’d like to meet the families of all those who died at Stafford, let me know. I’m sure they’d be delighted to hear you say less than 10 died.

  75. 75
    Anonymous says:

    Well we’ll see. I don’t hold with your optimism. I think he will destroy lives, to quote your phrase.

  76. 76
    John Prescott says:

    I’m always taxing in the bedroom. Just ask the missus.

  77. 77
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    Osborne should be straight with people and admit millions are paying the price for his economic failure – http://bit.ly/12bEXKE

  78. 78
    Jimmy is a Labour shill says:

    1 million dead.

  79. 79
    Mad, Bad & Dangerous Gordon McRuin ( Member in absentia ) says:

    Our welfare bill has run wildly out of control

    …what is clear is that their numbers increased dramatically under the previous Government: from 700,000 when Labour took office in 1997 to 4.7 million on the equivalent entitlements in 2010, rising to between 6 and 7 million people, once housing benefit and council tax benefit are included. That is an eight to tenfold increase in a period that was, for much of it, one of unprecedented prosperity.

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/camillacavendish/article3659686.ece

  80. 80
    nellnewman says:

    +sigh+

    I suspect his broadband costs will also be paid for by the Benefits Agency ie US!

    No doubt it’s a necessity – something to do with his human rights probably!

  81. 81
    Fat benefits scrounger says:

    U pai 4 mi cyder annd cigeez and Ski Tv.

  82. 82
    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

    Total Balls.

  83. 83
    nellnewman says:

    Well as gordon would say – what does it matter? – we can just print however much money we want. And if labour get in again in 2015 they will!

  84. 84
    Labour says:

    You’re all terribly ungrateful. Just remember all that we did for you.

    Child tax credits.
    Liberated Iraq.
    Child tax credits.
    Hospital targets.
    Child tax credits.
    Public sector growth.
    Child tax credits.
    Increased pensions by 10p.
    Child tax credits.
    Ended boom and bust.
    Child tax credits.

    What more do you want?

  85. 85
    The Loony Left says:

  86. 86
    Jimmy says:

    You’re going to introduce me to your imaginary friends?

    That sounds delightful.

  87. 87
    Jimmy says:

    Do I hear 2 million?

    Going once….

  88. 88
    Great British Public says:

    Our Country back.

  89. 89
    merlin says:

    Every time you hear a politician say he ” understands ” and wants things to “improve ” try to find the exit.

  90. 90
    Free Speech says:

    Many people want to cut the BBC license fee. Not sure about the statisitcs for that but I reckon that enough are against the license fee to call into question the extent of claims that it is a consensual payment rather than just another regressive tax.

  91. 91
    nellnewman says:

    Well by any stretch of the imagination the current inept crew are a thousand times better than the previous , totally useless, incumbents.

    So the 2010 election did put a better government in place . It’s just that we don’t like them very much.

  92. 92
    Muzee says:

    Too late, kuffar! We are taking over!

  93. 93
    We in the meeedja says:

    I think we should have an organisation dedicated to the persecution of people in public life in relation to their legally held political beliefs (together with appropriate branding of said offender). Left of centre politicos will be exempt from the Inquisition.

  94. 94
    John Prescott says:

    Phwoooar! Check out the saggies on her!

  95. 95
    Blowing Bubbles says:

    Yeah!

    One-in-seven vs one-in-six…

    …never let the facts get in the way of a good story, eh !!!

    What about the 6 million though !?!

  96. 96
    Sally Bigho says:

    Totes amazeballs! *innocent face*

  97. 97
    LaTeX jonny says:

    Instead of posting links to paywalls, we not copy and post the article?

  98. 98
    Jimmy is a Labour shill says:

    There right there, folks, is Labour in all its vile glory. Jimmy is saying all the people who lost loved ones at Stafford are imaginary. I sincerely hope you get cancer and end up lying in your own faeces.

  99. 99
    Peter's Second Cousin says:

    And remove child benefit from every family working or not. Afterall, benefits are benefits and benefits only ever get paied to scroungers, right?

  100. 100
    nellnewman says:

    bliar and allycampbell tried for war crimes

    gordonbrown and ed balls tried for high treason and forced to pay back the money they lost us in that infamous gold sale , from their own pockets

    andyburnham and alanjohnson tried for murder over the nhs death scandal

    margarethodges tried for tax dodging…….

  101. 101
    Jimmy is a Labour shill says:

    Karma, Jimbo. I’ll laugh my arse off if/when you get cancer or beheaded by some muzee.

  102. 102
    nellnewman says:

    +1000

  103. 103
    Tay King-dePisse says:

    Labour have never explained why the people at the bottom of the heap, which we should expect to be a fluid population (i.e., you’ll always have some, and sometimes you’ll have more, depending on the state of the economy, but they need not always by definition be the same individuals birth-to-death), should become a permanent underclass and be treated as such. Are they afraid that too much upward mobility on the part of too many people will produce too many Tory voters? If things are always going to go to hell on a quick slide for enough of the population, you’d think there’d be enough net downward mobility that they’d always get enough voters, and wouldn’t need to raise them like so many chickens. The welfare state such as it is is a belt-and-braces leave-nothing-to-chance electoral strategy– why rely solely on downward mobility, when you can create bottom inertia (and yes, that IS intended as a bit of a play on words)? My rant for the day.

  104. 104
    Sherry Trifle says:

    Well, he’s doing a great job destroying lives.

  105. 105
    Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:

    I will look into this as I have not been very well lately and I am a very hard Working MP. Boaz

  106. 106
    Peter's Second Cousin says:

    Still doesn’t deflect from the fact IDS claimed he could live on £53 per week. Including gas, electricity, water rates, council tax (20%) any insurance being it contents, building or life, then food. Oh and if unemployed stamps to send out CV’s and the like.

    I implore IDS to try it for a sustained period of at least 2 months. He won’t of course. He’s all mouth.

  107. 107
    Jimmy says:

    Well I’m already wading through crap here, so be happy.

  108. 108
    Jimmy says:

    Of course you will. It’s what being a rightie is all about.

  109. 109
    Great Granddad:Prime Minister in Waiting, New Utopia Party says:

    Many people of non working age are generally lumped in with those who are on “benefits”. By association they thus become benefit scroungers or at least very very close to it. The fact that they are simply receiving what was promised, if not what was actually the expectation, and that for which they subscribed with their hard earned dosh, and what is the ordinary expectation of an insurance policy when it comes to maturity, seems to be overlooked. Since we are now prosecuting people on the basis of what they say on the basis that someone somewhere may find offensive, it seems to me that almost every pensioner will be offended by this terminology resulting in multitudinous criminal charges. Ten policemen at four in the morning anyone?

  110. 110
    Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:

    Me too. Boaz.

  111. 111
    Peter's Second Cousin says:

    Of course they do. That’s why they’re flooding here!

  112. 112
    Peter's Second Cousin says:

    Or he might use a computer at his local library. So don’t presume.

  113. 113
    the poor bloody tax-payer says:

    the difference is MANAGEMENT CHARGES

  114. 114
    Peter's Second Cousin says:

    So now you believe all you read in the press do you, Nell? £53 per week is not only for food. Unless of course you know for a fact that it is then I suggest you think twice before you rush to your keyboard.

  115. 115
    Peter's Second Cousin says:

    Nell, you silly woman. £53 per week is not just for food. Factor in, gas, electricity, water rates, council tax (20%) then think about how much is left over for food.

  116. 116
    Wat Tyler says:

    But nell, the secrets out now…the right to print money is not the state’s right. It is controlled by the retail banks and tne privately owned BoE.

    Do keep up!

  117. 117
    Anonymous says:

    Add in the fact that many consultants use NHS equipment and facilities to see their private patients at weekends, evenings etc and you have NHS which has plenty of spare capacity if it were properly utilised instead of featherbedding rapacious surgeons.

    As for GP’s – they’re just gatekeepers used to keep potentially very sick people from seeing the consultants who can properly diagnose them. They’re a logjam – restrict them to doling out anti depressants and tranquilisers – anything more serious they just order a blood test which any half trained monkey could analyse.

  118. 118
    Bullington Georgie Boy the Finance Heir to McNutter says:

    Don’t tell me, the €uro has only just finally dropped ?, after nearly 3 years of

    our Blue Labor misrule aka the Real Nas*ty Par*ty Mk 2, you’ve discovered we

    adopted the same accountancy deceptions as Zanu*Lie*Labor, so what

    does it matter whether its £75B or £90B its just meaningless numbers

    to the filthy unkept stinking over taxed masses, what is much more

    important is consistency in our policy’s. So when we are ejaculated

    from office, which will be sooner rather than later, Red Ed with blank

    his sheet of dirty paper, pontificating on about one nation, will be

    able to slither into place as the Gover*nment & most will not notice

    any outward difference at all…….the way we all like it in the

    Cons*LieLabor*LebDims perpetual alliance…….

    Well must get on & trash as much as I can, before my time is Up.

  119. 119
    Tracy on the sofa says:

    Or me !

  120. 120
    Liar.Politicians says:

    George Osborne explains the welfare reforms.

  121. 121
    The Everly Brothers says:

    Dream, dream dream dream dream

  122. 122
    IDS says:

    I live on £2,500 a week very comfortably thank you very much!

  123. 123
    P l e b says:

    Does that include the £90k a year expenses?
    Are you picking up Pickles’ pie bill?

  124. 124
    David Bennett 51 - IDS Inquisitor says:

    And gambling money!

  125. 125
    Bullers says:

    And of course the geniuses that thought these numbers up went university. It’s like business man who when asked off the record how he kept his own books, he replied of course I do, one the bank manager sees, one the HMRC see, and then there is the book only I see. It would appear that they each keep their own books on benefits and wheel them out when they want to prove a point, trouble is they have all produced the figures altogether and they could not get that right.

  126. 126
    Bullers says:

    Someone gave those cast iron a wallop and put a crack in them

  127. 127
    Just asking says:

    Is every Council Tenant receiving Housing Benefit ?

  128. 128
    Bullers says:

    This lot think they can all the people all of the time

  129. 129
    Bullers says:

    Of course he is, he even put his foot in his foot to stop himself shouting

  130. 130
    Bullers says:

    Don’t you think Dave & chums think that only they and their associates should control everything that is called the top of the Greasy Pole and the only way is down.

  131. 131
    Bullers says:

    Well China is certainly in a better position financially than the UK, and the west is the one that gave them the money to do it, nowt like having things made in China with Chinese labour importing them and then flogging them at Home produced prices, mark up 3/400%

  132. 132
    Bullers says:

    The sad thing is they still think they can run a piss up in a brewery, they might even get drunk and fall in the brewing vat

  133. 133
    Bullers says:

    Hello Liebore

  134. 134
    Bullers says:

    “factor out the ponzi banking sector, and that will surely head east over the next 10 years.” I think you are right there the trading boys will have to move away from London to India or China, these eastern guys know all the scams they have been doing it far, far longer than western Europe, but they are found out they pay dearly for it, especially in China

  135. 135
    Matilda says:

    … and is she not on full UN allowances too?

  136. 136
    Bullers says:

    There used to be a VAT rate of 8% and 12% unfortunately it is the Tory boys favourite form of tax, as it supposedly catches everybody, it’s surprised me that Gideon didn’t put the VAT rate up to 221/2 or 25%

  137. 137
    Matilda says:

    Don’t forget they got lumbered with the lying Libs.

  138. 138
    A Doctor writes says:

    It is a well known fact that because of the likelihood of genetic disorders cousins should not marry each other, but from what you have been posting it would appear that you married Peter’s first cousin.

  139. 139
    Simple - just don't pay it says:

    … and the other 40 million

  140. 140
    Bullers says:

    There was a minister under Maggie who came out with a similar statement and actually did try to live on the dole money by the end of the week he was borrowing, we can respect for a man who could do that but not one who opens his mouth saying he can do this without actually doing it himself. The quite man has no idea how much food costs, heating, cooking and lighting, clothes cost, I am financially ok but I would not dare say someone could live on £53 pw. Nadds was right they are posh boys that do not know the price of a pint of milk.

  141. 141
    Bullers says:

    Yes but they do not have to pay the same amount for food, shelter etc

  142. 142
    Bullers says:

    Yes Jimmy they might get to him first.

  143. 143
    Bullers says:

    those are the ones on additional benfits

  144. 144
    Bullers says:

    BBC News calling it a ‘Bedroom Tax’ AGAIN!

    Bawwwwwwwwwww, moan, Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa

  145. 145
    Bullers says:

    If that is the case, the unprecedented prosperity was not in hands of a great number of people then.

  146. 146
    Pollytwaddle says:

    Yes.

    Why on earth should you pay money to the gov’t just to get it back in “child benefit.”

    And why should single people support your children?

    Mmmm?

  147. 147
    Pollytwaddle says:

    He said nothing of the sort.

  148. 148
    Bullers says:

    Deduct the amount of Sky payments from benefits or tax them, easy to see who has sky just look for the dishes, no dish no Sky simples, Dave had better get Murdoch’s permission to do so

  149. 149
    CCHQ says:

    “Which figures are accurate?”

    Which ones would be most convenient for you?

  150. 150
    Pollytwaddle says:

    Yeah. He might.

    But do you really think that’s so?

    Thought not.

  151. 151
    Bullers says:

    Do what I say, NOT what I do

  152. 152
    Bullers says:

    Not those with 4 x 4’s outside only those on run down housing estates

  153. 153
    Spank Sinatra says:

    Housing benefit is means tested. They take into account what money you have coming in (wage + certain other benefits) together with any savings you have between £6,000 – £16,000 which means you lose £1 for every £250). If you have more than £16,000 savings, there is no entitelement.

  154. 154
    David B says:

    The treasury GCHQ probably thought the truth was stranger than fiction and no one would believe them

  155. 155
    Go Johnny go says:

    Anybody seen Cleggy ??

  156. 156
    yvemaria says:

    HE TALKS A LOAD OF WAFFLE……HE CAN’T COUNT….BUT THEN HE ONLY HAS ONE DEGREE…….IN HISTORY…….BUT THE GOVERNMENT PETITION TO GET RID OF HIM STANDS AT 24.069……SOONER HE AND CAMERON ARE OUT THE BETTER.

  157. 157
    Dingle Berry says:

    I’m seeing a big State answer to this spending of benefits money on gambling and drink… Put Gideon in charge of all betting shops and breweries. No more betting. No more piss ups. You just need to direct incompetence wisely.

  158. 158

    And remove child benefit from every family working or not. Afterall, benefits are benefits and benefits only ever get paied to scroungers, right?


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