March 22nd, 2013

Breaking: + + + Amendment to Protect Bloggers Put Down + + +

blogoffWith only a few hours to go before the 3 pm deadline Guido is hearing that Lord Lucas is putting down an amendment to exclude small independent bloggers from the regulatory burden of the Royal Charter. The amendment is based on the wording proposed by BigBrotherWatch (see here).

The aim is to insert a new Schedule into the Crime and Courts Bill:

‘Exclusions from definition of “relevant publisher”

“A publisher who does not exceed the definition of a small or medium-sized enterprise as defined in Section 382 and 465 Companies Act 2006.”

This effectively takes out all small independent bloggers and re-calibrates the legislation to only cover what Tom Watson rightly calls “Big Media”. Hopefully this will command cross-party support…


  1. 1
    Grauniad says:

    So as we are not big media by any stretch of the imagination we will be excluded then?


    • 2
      Grow Up says:

      So what happens when Guido becomes a big blogger?


      • 9

        Then he’ll pay no attention to that either.

        Its worth noting that in large part the MP’s desire for blogger’s inclusion was aimed squarely at this site. When politicians are told “Blogger” they hear “Guido” and would have liked to see him brought under control..


        • 42
          V1le, vicious Labour ruined my Country says:

          They should scrap the whole thing. Existing laws are adequate.


          • Morgan's Organ says:

            You might blag a blogger part of the time but you can’t blag a blogger all of the time!!!


          • Curly says:

            Yes, cross-party support should include the words “bugger off Grant and Milipede”.


          • The Old Fella says:

            That will not affect you Geedo, yours is not small enough “This week 109,678 visitors visited 355,979 times viewing 629,946 pages”, hardly a small blog and read by only a few


      • 12
        Brutalist archetype says:

        When? He already is, and he’s far from independent with his newspaper column.


    • 6
      TOM FATSON says:

      How about LARGE independent bloggers


      • 8
        Grrr says:

        Socialists are generally only after power and money. Bloggers aren’t a good target.


        • 34
          I am not a number says:

          You forget, socialists also need to shut down all dissent. Dissent is the thing they fear above all else, because it offers an alternative world view, the comrades can’t compete against. Freedom.


        • 37
          blub says:

          They’re also pretty keen on no-one pointing out their misdeeds. They know the BBC will keep quiet so what’s left?


      • 13
        Fat Mammas says:

        I doubt anyone could say that Guido is on the small side.

        Is mums net Big or Small?


    • 25
      Solomon Again says:

      So here’s the trick.

      A blogger who has very little money. Probably using a free blogging platform. You can sue him/her for welfare/pension money. They are unlikely to go in for chequebook journalism.
      A bit like a madman ranting in the street.
      Nothing to lose – Nothing you can do.

      A blogger who can be traced/connected to the rich and powerful. Paid for Blog site. Clearly have resources behind them – You can sue the pants off them- Jail them

      It is not hard to differentiate between these types of blog.


      • 48
        Sunny Hundal says:

        I’m not a madman ranting in the street..I’m more of a sage. A divine prophet..showering enlightenment on the masses whilst holding up a big sign declaring “GOLF SALE – 200yds”


      • 52
        I am not a number says:

        Do you really imagine for one moment that a ‘rich and powerful’ media outlet would leave it’s digital fingerprints online?

        Anything dodgy would be farmed out to alternative, semi-anonymous website bloggers that link to each other and who individually, could not be touched, or simply left as a link on a major competitor site. The law is idiotic and entirely irrational.


        • 58
          Operation Crossbow says:

          That already happens. The papers have a toxic story but can’t report it,they then leak it online and then report on the leak. How do you think all those leaks about super injunctions got online?


          • Solomon Again says:

            Digital forensics.

            Everything is recorded.

            If only you knew…..

            But that’s another story


        • 94
          The Old Fella says:

          That sounds a bit like this blog, Ruppy lets go the dogs of war, of course he did not do anything, it was that blogging person


    • 54
      Anonymous says:

      What a cop out. Either the principle of free speech applies to all or none at all !

      Another bugger’s muddle – no surprise there when looking at the composition of this government.


  2. 3
    Hugh Grant says:

    I feel Divine.


  3. 4
    hugh grant says:

    i,ll scweam and scweam !!!!


  4. 5
    Vince Cable says:

    I don’t remember blogs.


  5. 7
    MPs = Waste of Space or so it seems says:

    How come everyone is using Lords and Royals these days, Have they given up with the democratically elected?


    • 22
      Tay King-dePisse says:

      The democratically-elected have given up on YOU, more like. And in the case of many of the people in the UK, with good reason.


    • 23
      Chris Rennard 13th Duke of Wimborne says:

      Young a state of heightened a conference..with the champagne flowing and the hands and tongues loose?

      Did no one think of the consequences ?


    • 95
      The Old Fella says:

      It comes down to this doesn’t it


  6. 10
    Anonymous says:

    Ha ha ha, cunning, everyone can now escape this silly act by restructuring their publishing bit into an SME, the definition of a medium enterprise is pretty large if I remember correctly!


  7. 11
    Anonymous says:

    The hereditaries are the guardians of our civil liberties against a mix of placemen and elected totalitarians.


  8. 14
    Tay King-dePisse says:

    That’s right, girls and boys, don’t ever aspire to become big-time! So long as you stay small or medium, they can’t touch you!

    Is this the spirit that made Britain “Great,” I put it to you?


  9. 15
    who why what where when says:

    Good for blogs.

    But regulation of newspapers and news magazines is still totally unacceptable and must be resisted.

    Any newspaper signing up to the Hacked Off charter would lose all credibility with it’s readers.


    • 20
      Mine d'Boggles says:

      Oh yes! Readers. I remember them, faintly, back in the mists of time.


    • 96
      The Old Fella says:

      OK let them print what they like and when they print libellous articles make the fine unlimited, job done.


  10. 16
    Gordon Brown says:

    Gimme all your lovin
    All your hugs and kisses too


    • 40
      Gordon on bass says:

      “Its my {labour} party and I’ll lie if I want to, lie if I want to…you would lie too if they laughed at you.”


  11. 18
    David Roughly says:

    Don’t make me angry. You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry.


  12. 21
    Sum of the Parts says:

    So this is now down to small publishers. I take it the Telegraph could divide itself into a hive of small publishers each one exempt from Hugh, Ed and Dave’s new law?


  13. 24
    cowboy builder says:

    I want to make Tommo into a cross party support.


  14. 26
    world's gone mad says:

    So hundreds of years of press freedom is snatched away from the British public in a secret 2am meeting between Lib/Lab politicians and unelected Hacked Off weirdos.
    Then it’s all rushed through with unseemly haste.What a way to run a country that has always prided itself on freedom.


  15. 27
    damned impertinent questions says:

    Even better, If a big company sets up a comment section with rules that say whoever publishes on here does so on their own behalf, its arguable that the Thought Police cannot regulate them


    • 51
      Thought Police says:

      We’ll have to think about this.
      BTW this police thought is only open Monday and Tuesday mornings.9-1pm.
      Please only think unconscionable thoughts during these times.


  16. 28
    Fat benefits layabout says:

    Itz ow I woz brout upp, 2 spennd mi bennerfitz monee onn cigarets annd cyder. Iff yu wunt 2 wirk, thatz ur choyce. Mi choyce iz 2 by cigs andd drinc.


  17. 29
    Hacked Off and Max Mosely says:

    Do what we want or we’ll cut your wires.


  18. 30
    damned impertinent questions says:


    Just because I like women dresssed in rubber and leather whipping me does not mean I am weird. I will fill in a complaint form right now


  19. 31
    Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein says:

    We’ve solved the problem, we are issuing a Fatwa on Hugh Grant!


  20. 32
    damned impertinent questions says:

    “cut your wires”

    Is that an euphemism for a harder form of bondage? Sounds fun


  21. 33
    DO NOT COMPROMISE. Go For Broke says:


    I don’t really like your fix as it is a compromise. Freedom of speech should not be compromised.

    Instead of limiting a bad law it would be preferable to stop the bad law from becoming a law.


    • 41

      Self-defence is the first priority. Do nothing because the deal is not ideal is a bit too dangerous. No one has argued against the whole thrust of Leveson more than Guido.


  22. 35
    Anonymous says:

    So hacked off got what they wanted… after introducing a red herring to draw everybody’s attention…


    • 46
      Hacked off win with this compromise by the blogosphere says:


      The blogosphere are amending this bad law to save their own skins and as a result they will not object to the amendment (which Hacked off wanted) from going through.


    • 76
      Anonymous says:

      Exactly – introduce a proposal in which you were never interested in but which gets everyone up in arms. Magnanimously back down whilst simultaneously getting the bulk of the proposals that you really wanted passed with nary a whisper.

      You’ve just been played Guido and you don’t even know it.


  23. 38
    RedLorry says:

    If it doesn’t, then you know what the game is.

    They are after you.


  24. 39
    PCC says:

    What is the maximum weight of a small blogger?


  25. 43
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Any amendment and that Charter MUST be written in plain simple English – and not shrouded in legalese whereby a judge could interpret it any way he likes if he just happens to be sympathetic (or blackmailed) to some monied up mogul.


  26. 44
    Hank The cat says:

    Breaking: + + + Amendment to Protect Bloggers Put Down + + + Amendment should Read Politicians


  27. 45
    Anonymous says:

    No No No No No!

    Yes, this turns it into an acceptable proposal, but it’s crossing the line

    … First they came for the large enterprises.


  28. 49
    @BBCPropaganda says:

    Great! Instead of people suing me to take my blog down they will be suing Google to take my blog down.

    That helps me how?


  29. 50
    WVM says:

    But you have a column in the Sun Guido, how does that work?


  30. 53
    BBC says:

    We are very disappointed, they should all be shut down apart from us, long live Labour and the glorious EU.


  31. 56
    Compromise and you lose says:

    You have fallen into the trap Guido.

    Hugh Ed and Dave will not object to this amendment as it means they get the repressive law they wanted all along.

    A few years down the line then the government of the day can tweak it to include blogs and twitter or whatever else exists then.

    No..You must fight this bad ill conceived totalitarian all the way and not sell your soul for a tid bit.


  32. 59
    Loopy Lou says:

    If you get this amendment then if a big paper has a story it does not fancy then all it has to do is pass it onto Guido and just mention Guidos blog in passing .

    Someone is going to have lots and lots of fun with all this especially if they like dressing up in wigs and gowns.


  33. 60
    Moussa Koussa Mark 7 says:

    And we all thought you were the biggest most influential blogger in the sphere….LOL


  34. 64
    Mahatmacoat says:

    Peace my Negros, It’s all lies in the newspapers!

    I want real stories, like IDS beating his wife and Mr Hague’s outing.


  35. 66
    Petronella Fazackerley says:

    They can pass all the laws they like but I will still think that Cameron is a shifty rich bastard who is not as sharp as he thinks.


  36. 70
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    Miliband and Clegg may still join forces to force more stringent laws on the press than the proposed Royal Chater does.
    It still amazes me how Hacked Off could be in Miliband’s office, and included in the decision making. What was that all about?
    Maybe it’s a cunning ploy by Cameron, feed Miliband and Clegg enough rope to hang themselves.


  37. 73
    Hucklebury Hound says:

    Thanks to the Press with that mugshot of Pryce in prison the people of this country can make their own inferences about prison life in the UK .


  38. 75
    anon y mouse says:

    It takes a long time for the public to wonder why the rest of the world know what’s happening in the country and when they don’t, then things will happen, besides if they can’t uphold the laws we have in place how the hell are they going to make these laws work, laws are only for the people who obey the law, they are typical lawyers laws each one has a thousand ways around them.


  39. 78
    Blowing Whistles says:

    The Wording of Article 19 UNDHR (1948) was “specific” and “well defined”.

    This Charter is a labryinth of double-speak and legal rhetoric. Smoke and Mirrors not fit for purpose in the 21st century.


  40. 83
    We love Lord Lucas says:

    Thank God there’s one lover of democracy in UK.

    Well done, Lord L, and thank you! x x x


  41. 89
    Guido's Uncle Rupert says:

    So what about “independent” bloggers funded by enormous right-wing media empires ?
    Eh, Guido ?


  42. 90
    Red Ed says:

    We wont care, you’ll all be nationalised under the BBC British Bloggers’ Corporation, paid for by a PC licence fee, all the money going to pay for Owen Jones to blog about the sacred right to sit on your arse, watch TV, eat and drink what you like, breed night and day, and demand a bigger slice of the pie!


  43. 97
    Osborne's Sixth Sense says:

    “I see debt people”


  44. 98

    And there at the last minute, our noble Lord Lucas, in a shining suit of armour, ready to do battle and a cheery ‘Huck off.’


  45. 99
    Anonymous says:

    Good luck trying to get Global and General Nominees Ltd shut down. It’s based in Nevis. I think you need to put a physical deposit down to begin any legal action against any company in Nevis….and it this company is owned by a trust or foundation, double fucked.


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