March 21st, 2013

Hacked Off Faces Backlash from Thousands of Bloggers
Effort to Exclude Small Enterprises from “Relevant Publisher”

blogoffLast night’s hasty launch of the Blog Off campaign for a free and unregulated blogosphere has seen over 2,400 people sign the petition telling Hugh Grant and Evan Harris where to put their regulations. Hacked Off are revising their hitherto arrogant stance and furiously back peddling this afternoon as the legislation they advocated has backfired after UK bloggers realised they would be pushed into costly and cumbersome regulatory organisations. Hugh Grant has just tweeted a link to a post on the Hacked Off website claiming that the proposals have not been endorsed by them:

“They have not been endorsed in any way by Hacked Off. On the contrary, at the weekend we urged the three parties not to approve them finally there and then, but to leave time for them to be improved. The parties agreed to this. For what it is worth, we believe the potential impact on bloggers and small publishers was unforeseen – an accident in the drafting – and we know of no reason why politicians might resist efforts to put things right.”

Frankly this is nonsense. If it were not for Hacked Off’s meddling there would be no danger of bloggers facing this vain attempt at regulation. Counter lobby Blog Off, backed by BigBrotherWatch, are urgently looking for a Peer willing to table an amendment by 3 p.m. tomorrow to protect independent bloggers. If you can help, email here.

Blog Off are looking to table an amendment that inserts into the Crime and Courts Bill a clause excluding from the definition of “revelant publisher” any enterprise that meets the definition of a small or medium sized enterprise as defined in Sections 382 and 465 Companies Act 2006.

There is, to coin a phrase, less than 24 hours to save the independent blogosphere…


  1. 1
    Beness says:

    Hope you get a peer to stand up for the blogosphere. were it not for bloggs, people could not inform others of news that the MSN chooses not to include.

    Last thing we need is “pre-approved” news.

  2. 2
    A Spokesman says:

    Time to investigate the links, plans, funding, connections between Shacked Off, Common Purpose & other aspects of this Left Wing Club.

  3. 3
    Huge Rant says:

    I expect to be Secretary of State for Culture, Media & Sport when Red Ed is prime minister.

    I will censor everything.

  4. 4
    mk270 says:

    Is anyone going to demonstrate outside Parliament over this?

  5. 5
    Confused says:

    “Furiously back peddling”

    Is this what happens when people try to sell bicycles to their original owners? I’m confused.

  6. 6
    Anonymous says:

    “not to approve them finally there and then, but to leave time for them to be improved.”

    I suggest a cooling off period is absolutely necessary. Try 2 years, and make it a election issue!

  7. 7
    Peter Martin says:

    There seems to be a possible who to the four Hacked Off invigilators at Ed, Nick & Oliver’s little policy on the fly foyer gathering, but are we any closer to why these guys were invited and not any representatives of the press?

    This whole thing started downright dodgy and is spiralling ever further to sinister farce.

    And getting my ‘news’ solely from the BBC, which may or may not be the news, or from the BBC these days, really does not seem the best servant of democratic free speech either.

  8. 8
    Anonymous says:


    Hacked off aren’t the Govt, who did the voting again?

    Am I dreaming?

    It’s the Govt who are responsible, 100 percent due the letters… Mu…Pu.

    Weird blog.

  9. 9
    Fuck it says:

    Did I miss the election? Since when did Huge Grant become PM? I know he played a shit one in a shit movie but even Cam-moron isn’t that useless.

  10. 10
  11. 11
    Will says:

    if hugh grant and the rest want to tell us what to they should do thye should stand for election rather than acting as unelected lawmakers, making laws behind the scenes.

    I think when hugh grant steve coogan next have a film to promote they should just leave the space blank

  12. 12
    Huge Rant says:

    We Do need ‘pre-approved’ news.

    Journos can give me a blow-by-blow account.

  13. 13
    Casual Observer says:

    The chances are that the blindingly obvious is only now becoming apparent to these useful idiots, hence the perjorative.


  14. 14
    Free Speech says:

    The 2 fields on the blog-off site for a petition need titles.

  15. 15
    Diane Abbott says:

    Not her. Me, sexualised of course.

  16. 16
    Suck off says:

    for a moment a thought it was a picture of a woman that had been in the media because of her connection with a crap actor

  17. 17
    Huge Gunt says:

    Soon you will be shut down.

    Mwah mwah mwah

  18. 18
    Council tennant with a spare room says:

    so this ex con Huge Spank wants to protect his privacy … well DONT GET BLOW JOBS FROM HOOKERS AND GET CAUGHT YOU F WIT!

  19. 19
    Point of Information says:

    That’s 3 so far:

    i) Most inappropriate person to speak on health
    ii) Most inappropriate person to speak on p0rn
    iii) Most inappropriate person to speak for Labour on education

    What gem is she going to come up with next ?

  20. 20
    Ed Balls says:

    “From what I can see, the government is basically saying that if you’ve got a spare room in a social home you will be paying a bedroom tax. But if you want a spare home and you can afford it, we’ll help you buy one.”

  21. 21
    Anonymous says:

    He is an actor. Paid to act. Who is paying for this role?

  22. 22
    Simon says:

    Those sections of the Companies Act 2006 relate to small and medium sized companies. Those definitions may therefore not cover those bloggers who were blogging in a personal capacity (i.e. without having incorporated a company) or via a LLP.

  23. 23
    Button 5 says:

    He is a liar, paid to lie. Democracy and freedom are paying for this.

  24. 24
    Crikey! Gosh! Crikey! says:

    F**k Off, Hugh C**t!

  25. 25
    Johnny Tolerant says:

    There is nothing wrong with him getting a blow job from a hooker. Where it became wrong, to my mind, is that he decded to get his blowjob frm a hooker in a public place.

    Which makes me really wonder what all this guff about ‘privacy’ bieng violated is really all about.

  26. 26
    Someone not on benefits says:

    Sound like a good policy to me.

  27. 27
    A Blogger says:

    I agree. This amendment seems far too narrow.

    There should be an explicit restatement fo the rights of free speech, not a ‘loophole’ for people who want to fork out a fee to Companies House

  28. 28
    Dreaming Anomymous says:

    I reckon this looks like a constitutional First Amendment side step, as it effects all Disqus users who use Disqus when they log in. The direct shouty quote from Disqus:


    August 27, 2012.

    Mandatory arbitration
    “Rather than jury trials or class actions”
    “limits the remedies available”
    What First Amendment?

    Why not just do the same as Disqus?

    Using the good for the goose (Disqus), good for the gander (blog), world class equality laws available.

  29. 29
    Fuck it says:

    I’d rather fuck Frank Bruno.

  30. 30
    Tay King-dePisse says:

    It’s this sort of thing, i.e., the lack of proofreading, that could be pointed to as a mark of the lack of professionalism on the part of bloggers. Likewise, “less than 24 hours” should be “fewer than,” strictly spe*aking. A “professional” organisation would never stand for it; a-a-a-h-h-h– a “professional” organisation, which would be covered by the new reg’s, wouldn’t it…

    Isn’t our Neo playing an amazing blinder here, or what? (*waiting to see how long before someone says, “No, he: just can’t be arsed/doesn’t know any better”*)

  31. 31
    T May says:

    Yankee Go Home

  32. 32
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    Only about 5 days late. Have you been asleep?

  33. 33

    Now the blogospehere does a knee jerk at the last minute. Where were all these smart bloggos when the action started?

  34. 34
    Gok Wan says:

    There is a real crisis in masculinity: too many women like Dianne Abbott look like men.

  35. 35
    Tachybaptus says:

    The so-called ‘government’ is just a clique of hapless twits who are pushed around by vested interests — which oddly include both groups of left-wing activists and property developers.

  36. 36
    Hypocrisy says:

    Ok, posted comment of 50% overnight increase in price of mushr00ms which just got m0dded.

    Until that sort of stuff is sorted out, campaigning against regulator is a bit silly.

  37. 37
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    Which will fail first, the euro or the Royal Charter on press regulation?

  38. 38
    D Notice says:

    Excluded from the behind the scene discussions conducted by Hacked Off, the Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat Parties and the dead tree press.

  39. 39
    Tachybaptus says:

    Fascinated by the numbers of page views for their blogs, to the exclusion of everything else. I have a small blog, and know the feeling. It’s hard to resist.

  40. 40
    Anonymous says:

    If blogs and newspapers are writing the truth I cannot see anything to fear.

  41. 41
    Lord Stansted says:

    He is, after all an actor; consequently, his mental capacity is zero.

  42. 42
    Hacked Off can fuck off says:

    The blogs have never been pesky and criminal unlike the press.

  43. 43
    anon y mouse says:

    Wouldn’t worry, we have started to censor you, stopped watching you on tv, movies, video’s, it’s da people’s choice innit.

  44. 44
    Vlad the Loudhailer says:

    No film producer is going to go near Hugh Grant as he is now a liability.

    Who would watch one of his films knowing he help destroy the Uks free press, I for one won’t be watching any more of his films.

  45. 45
    P l e b says:

    Who’s the blogger here? Guido or me?

  46. 46
    Rent-a-Mob says:

    No way we’re demonstrating to protect the right wing press, cos that’s what this is about, innit? We’re right behind Dave, Ed and Nick on this one.

  47. 47
    Hattie Hatesmen and freedom of the press says:

    Odd thing is if it goes through you won’t be able to blog against him. He really is an odious creature like all lefties.

  48. 48
    Anonymous says:

    Contracts are between the user and the host company. They have nothing to do with other people who have a claim against either.

    Not a legal person, but I certainly would not want two other parties to agree to limit my legal remedies. I do not understand?

  49. 49
    Bluto says:

    Yes please. There is more to this than meets the eye.

    Say no to a de facto single party state where politicians from all parties owe allegiance to CP. Say yes to real plurality in politics where alternative and opposing views are respected.

  50. 50
    Reds under the mattress says:

    Oh wow the dumb shit Roubini wakes up finally. FFS They want the base first and foremost.

  51. 51
    Blow job says:

    I haven’t bothered since love actually and his apology for a Labour PM

  52. 52
    Anonymous says:

    So you are the font of all truth. Good we can get rid of all the corrupt judges now, and simply ask you. Excellent.

  53. 53
    I hate Hugh Grant cos he's a moron says:

    Hugh Grant if you read this f*CK OFF & go and do another Divine whore. You weak chinned worthless piece of sh*t

  54. 54
    bring back the free wild west says:

    We’ve always joked about Britain getting more like North Korea, but fuck me. they’ve surpassed themselves with this one. Not only do we get a so called impartial state broadcaster cheer leading for everything left of Vince Cable, but now the state gets to censor anything they don’t approve of. And they call those in the USA who as individuals who want to retain the right to bear arms wackos?

  55. 55
    Steve Miliband says:

    Let legislators legislate.Second rate actors should stick to getting caught with hookers

  56. 56
    US Watch says:

    The first amendment only says that the government cannot limit your speech.

    Disqus is not the government.

  57. 57
    Dreaming Anomymous says:


    I’m no expert either, but this ‘mandatory rather than jury trials’… sounds like Disqus is taking on the role as top dog arbitrator in all disputes… in effect, overruling everything as a cyber god.

    So if Disqus can do it, why not bloggers?

  58. 58
    Anonymous says:

    “24 hours” is not a plural, it is a singular time specification. Having fewer would mean having whole hours only.

  59. 59
    Dreaming Anomymous says:

    US Watch

    So you’re saying Disqus (“not the government”) can or cannot limit your speech?

    Which one?

    Looks like a power grab to me, “mandatory” by logging in = No choice. Therefore, they arbitrate, end of.

  60. 60
    Anonymous says:

    My understanding is two free parties can enter a contract to commit to arbitration. That arbitration can be binding by contract. I was put in this position recently and refused. The opposition was government funded, and was shown to be corrupt even in organizing the arbitration.

  61. 61
    Huge Grant says:

    That was a low blow

  62. 62
    A Spokesman says:

    I think his so-called career (playing stiff, wooden dummy) is virtually over anyway…..

  63. 63
    Hmmmm says:

    Didn’t Divine play his stiff wooden dummy too?

  64. 64
    Big Brother Is Watching You Get Spanked says:

    SHIFT: Rupert Murdoch and Co big move against UK govt in SUN Thurs, more mocking ‘Ministry of Truth’ economy. Classic…— MATT DRUDGE (@DRUDGE) March 20, 2013

  65. 65
    Saffron says:

    To 21 Anon
    Would you like to re phrase your statement that Huge Grunt is an actor he will never be an actor IMHO as long as he has an hole in his whatsit.
    He is an overbearing concieted tw-t with little talent.

  66. 66
    the hurthart. says:

    the truth is in the heart.
    see the world from within.
    it is paradise.
    do not reject the sky or the sun.
    luv is all u need.

  67. 67
    cynical bob says:

    and the BAFTA award for Best Cultural Marxist Piss-take goes to…….wHacked Off

  68. 68
    big daddy is watching you says:

    What a trusting little soul you are. Wanna have a lick of my lollipop?

  69. 69
    Dreaming Anomymous says:


    “two free parties can enter a contract”… I don’t think there’s any ‘can enter’ choice in it.

    Same link as above:

    “By accessing or using the Service you signify that you have read, understood and agree to be bound by these Terms of Service”

    Combined with the word “Mandatory”, the terms and conditions make all Disqus users powerless. Disqus arbitrate disputes about what can, and cannot be said… as a private company.

  70. 70
    Wheels within wheels says:

    Richard Curtis also produced that disgusting disinformation film about climate change.

  71. 71
    the ghost of joe stalin says:

    Dissenters will, as per usual, be eliminated.

  72. 72
    The Old Fella says:

    You not

    Geedo still you you have your column in the Glorious SUN
    I must say though, I will miss this blog if you pack it in in disgust, passes a morning on while its so cold, and of course we would not here about all those carrying ons in the HoC & HoL, at least up north. It seems then, no one takes notice of Hacked off and Mr Who

  73. 73
    Man without gaffer tape on mouth says:

    Don’t want to be thought as a brown nosed arse but I hope that Guido carries on and exposes the arseholes who tried to hide behind fame and privelige. If bloggers keep blogging the truth then we can at least know truth is still being spoken without hindrance.
    Sorry it does sound brown nosing but its how I feel.

  74. 74
    Blowing Whistles says:

    The Sun – Hillsborough – yeah that was some truth. just the one example of thousands if not millions …

  75. 75
    Free the George Gordon one says:

    Byrony Gordon is a moron but her tits must stay at the Telegraph.

  76. 76
    The yellow albatross made Mark Oaten into the man he is says:

    Hugh Grant. Thick lipped hookers. Helloooo! Does anyone remember what I did??? I am a Lib Dem, you know.

  77. 77
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Much of it comes down to the fact that Article 19 UNDHR Act (1948) – served many so well (themselves!!!) while we never had an internet.

    However now that they HAVE ALL BEEN FOUND OUT – they are desperate to close down that so many untruths have been outed about all their dirty games.


  78. 78
    The yellow albatross made Charlie Kennedy into the man he is says:

    Good afternoonsh, my namsh…er…er…and make mine a treble

  79. 79
    The yellow albatross made Mike Hancock into the man he is says:

    Secrets? Submarines? What secret submarines, babushka?

  80. 80
    5illy 5lag says:

    Is this Huge Grunt the new prime minister or something?

    I must have missed that election.

  81. 81
    P l e b says:

    And to think it came under a Tory government.

  82. 82
    Tom Pride says:

    Here’s a sad reminder of why we need press regulation in this country.

    Transexual primary school teacher Lucy Meadows – who was mercilessly bullied by jumped-up Daily Mail bully-boy Richard Littlejohn – has been found dead:

    “Teacher due to begin new term at school as a woman is found dead”

    Littlejohn – who makes a habit of attacking normal hard-working people like teachers while relying on the impressive legal resources of his employer Lord Rothermere to protect him from any threat of libel from people without the financial means to challenge him in court – recently attacked Ms Meadows in this now-deleted disgusting Mail article.

    He’s not only in the wrong body… he’s in the wrong job

    This is a good reminder why we urgently needed press regulation.

    To protect normal, hard-working people like Lucy Meadows from being mercilessly bullied by wealthy, intolerant gutter-press bully-boys like Littlejohn in the name of so-called ‘free speech’.

  83. 83
    Your Friendly Neighbourhood Stylebook Service says:

    In fact, if we want to be REALLY technical about it, “less than 24 hours” is a commonly-used elliptical phrase conveying the thought: “less [time] than [the next] 24 hours.” Its meaning is clearly understood, in any event. We believe that T K-dP’s point was satirical as far as the pedantry of “less/fewer” goes, in that even such a minor error (if it can even be called such) may conceivably be considered evidence that the blogger is not a “professional” writer, if such evidence were ever needed.

  84. 84
    Jack the Ripper says:

    When was the last time Grant had a record in the charts?

  85. 85
    Anonymous says:

    What a load of Tory twaddle. Go and tell all this press freedom crap to Milly Dowler’s family, you bunch of dim wits

  86. 86
    Eric the Terrible Scot says:

    not reg`s but just…….regs……

  87. 87
    Submit Comment says:

    Vote UKIP then.

  88. 88
    Eric the Terrible Scot says:

    Immigration is a gift from the Lord.

  89. 89
    Anonymous says:

    More recently Grant has taken to being sucked off publicly by the would be totalitarian left.

  90. 90
    Fabians ARE EVIL says:

    What do you expect when the the left wing, the BBC and Grant & Co are all on the same page?

    Control of the press and media? = Fabian fingerprints all over this malarkey!

  91. 91
    Eric the Terrible Scot says:

    Who you lookin` at Jimmy?

  92. 92
    Bluto says:

    “Tory” twaddle? So press regulation is political. It is coming from the left riding a horse called “Scam”.

  93. 93
    Anon says:

    What he is saying is that:

    Disqus is private company. They can do what they wish under terms of agreement. First amendment not relevant there, unless government orders a restriction.

    Government cannot restrict what you wish to place with Disqus, or what Disqus displays.

    Disqus though will have its own policy and is within its rights to take down material which breaches its rules.

  94. 94
    Bravebelly the Fat lardtub says:

    so 18 11 it is then, bring it on

  95. 95
    Not Blowing Whistles says:

    Seems to be an awful lot of m0dding going on today ?

  96. 96
    Blowing Whistles says:

    LITTLEJOHN is and has been a repulisve pillar of the state agent for decades. He cut his teeth at the Murodch School of duplicity.

    The spat betwen the msm and the MP’s and all the legals hidden in the darkness and the state and its KGB-style plodmen – is because they have all been found out – as having ignored the Public Interest; in fact they have been aving a right old larf at the public – the biggest cash-cow.

    They are having the spat among themselves knowing that ultimately all they want to do is regain control of their propaganda machine. They hate free people telling the truth to others.

    They can’t stand the heat – because the ‘NET’ has caught them all “AT IT”.

  97. 97
    Wax Polish says:

    A few thoughts:

    a) link?
    b) what evidence is there this person is ‘hard working’? What is the relevance of this description?Has someone alleged the person concerned was lazy?
    c) what is the cause of death? evidence?
    d) what evidence is there as to causation as per the allegation here?
    e) have you considered other possible contributory factors? preexisting personakity/mental health issues or subsequent events?
    f) what if you are wrong?

  98. 98
    Blowing Whistles says:


  99. 99
    Casual Observer says:

    A lot were operating under the assumption that the internet was not the target, as per the announcements given.

    It is strange that they are the main target as the blogosphere has not been involved in any of the business which prompted the inquiry.

    However, the bloggers do represent the biggest challenge to commercial and political interests in the medium to long term, but this legislation attempt will not change that.

  100. 100
    Blowing Whistles says:

    I distance myself from the lgbt MILITANT’s – it could well be a sob sob gain sympathy for the militant’s spolier story – but Littlejohn is still what I said he is.

  101. 101
    Not Blowing Whistles says:

    Did not mean you specifically, and left that as a placeholder following the m0dded article 19 stuff the other day.

    Strange day.

  102. 102
    Not Tom Pride says:

    Here is a link to the story:

    Story was also covered by : sosogay co uk

    It appears to be an article by ‘Tom Pride’



    No mention of the LittleJohn allegation in the official news source.

  103. 103
    Wax Polish says:

    I think he is a prize knob, but we won’t deal with people like him by abandoning reason and evidece.

  104. 104
    Not Tom Pride says:

    First comment in evening news article points towards a web archived D.M. article by LittleJohn.

    Not that there is any actual connection otherwise there would be a police investigation ongoing. There perhaps should be grounds for libel here.

  105. 105
    Wax Polish says:

    The people quoted say they had been providing the deceased with love and support. Presumably this was adequate? Or have the people professing to provide that support questions they should be answering themselves?How about the physicians involved in the trangendering process? Have they failed their patient?

  106. 106
    Not Tom Pride says:

    The interesting thing about the LittleJohn article is that it was fair and balanced.

    If anything drove the guy to suicide it would have been more likely the hormone treatment, but then if it was ‘peer pressure’ perhaps that reflects the fundamental idiocy of assuming that ‘diversity and equality’ whilst someone ‘transitions’ is actually accepted by real society.

    The D.M. article observing that some of the pupils were worried about waking up with ‘girls brains’ goes directly to the reason why such abomination has no place in a school, and emphasizes the non natural element of the real subject.

    What is odd are the loony militant LGBT types out there who post garbage like the above, completely ignoring the reality, or the more honest reporting by those closer to the events.

    Fine to hold such opinions, but better to check some facts first before trying to grind a rotten political axe.

  107. 107
    Blowing Whistles says:

    I have been banging on about Article 19 for almost a year – was flattered to notice G use it – in the end!

  108. 108
    Not Tom Pride says:

    By above: I do not mean Wax Polish, but rather my inverse.

    Wax Polish: Yes – I agree with all your points, and would suggest affirmative(ish) answers.

    God knows what was going through the guys mind. Anyone who feels they need to undergo gender reassignment is likely to be somewhat unstable. That is my view on the matter.

    Verdict of suicide recorded. He took his own life, for his own reasons.

    D.M. / LittleJohn had as much to do with that, as the Aussie radio show comedians did with the nurse suicide earlier this year.

  109. 109

    SC Sleuth Services announcement:

    Nicole Drinkwater seems to be the girl wearing that dress at the Cheltenham races last week.

    Here she is in last year’s Daily Mail in a bikini on Bournemouth beach:

    Not a lot of those to the pound…

  110. 110

    SC Sleuth Services announcement:

    Nicole Drinkwater seems to be the girl wearing that dress at the Cheltenham races last week.


    Here she is in last year’s Daily Mail in a bikini on Bournemouth beach:


    Not a lot of those to the pound…

  111. 111
    Blowing Whistles says:

    On watch-Labour … blog earlier mention was made of Vlad Bukovsky the link was of a speech he made in 2006 – some of the armchair generals and judges on here ought to read up lots more.

    Here’s one I read years ago – Gulag A History by of all people Anne Applebaum. Vlad is mentioned on pages 228, 479, 483, 487, 489-490, & 493-494.

    Now I have read it all … how many of you could wade through the 600+ page book.

  112. 112
    Hacked off can F**k Off says:

    Using the name of a murdered teenage schoolgirl to further a political campaign to muzzle our free press and blogs is totally beneath contempt.

  113. 113
    Blowing Whistles says:

    NTO – points noted inc of the militants. Lonjohnsilvertongue is a disreputable 5hit at the best of times. But he like so many other commentators lives in a bubble of their own rectitudedness.
    p.s e-mailed sliverjohn many times over the years – they are binned of course because of Dacre & co’s agenda. Don’t want the public finding out all the truths now do they.

    Dacre was ever present on the d-notice committee.

  114. 114
    Wax Polish says:

    I had a collegaue who I’d got to know in a few different contexts over twenty odd years who was, apparently, in the process of becoming a woman at the time of his death. (He was a man at work). He was a smart man, but had not actually been at the top of his game for several years, though no obituary or eulogy was so impolite as to have said so.

    Most people were surprised at the extent to which he’d compartmentalised his life: his transgendered friends had no idea about the breadth of his professional or intellectual life: they ewre mainly only capable of seeing him as a sexual being or a symbol of something. His professional colleagues, in the main, did not know about the struggles he had regarding his identity. His family life I shall not comment on here, but he told me that conflicts within his family and a number of other disappointments, (by no means all or even partly about his sexuality or gender), had reduced his confidence significantly.

    I think we should assume nothing about this school teacher.

  115. 115
    Neitherdeadoralive says:

    The Desert Rats are having their tanks taken off them; the Paras aren’t allowed to jump any more; the military is being decimated; the French are practicing beach landings on OUR shores; the EU is making our laws; our government is shackling the press…………. Call me paranoid, but, but this sounds like the mother of all conspiricies !!!!!!

  116. 116
    Saffron says:

    In this country which is fast being turned into a bannana republic we already have laws in that you can sue the press/others re libel etc.
    This has been the case with the Murdo empire and now with other media outlets vis a vis twitter and Mc Alpinney.
    Levvy and now the charade which we are now seeing is frankly the pits as regards the press and other outlets as to what they can say.
    My take on this is in a democratic country you should be able to say what you think,and if you are wrong in what you say then you should pay the penalty under the laws of this land.
    Now we have a bunch of tossers in it for their own ends who would like to change this because it catches them out.
    Well I for one hope that in the future we will always be in a position to catch these assholes out.

  117. 117
    sick of em says:

    what with the denial of freedom of speech, the notion that our security forces prevent a 7/7 – 9/11 every year and osborne fucking the economy along with the innocent bankers we, the population have every reason to fear for our future – just where all you tory boys have got us – you really are prize wankers

  118. 118
    Not Tom Pride says:

    @BW: Agree with you on LittleJohn. Am not a fan of his but generally avoid the guy in print and on TV. However: He does not deserve this kind of smearing. :-)

    @WP: No assumptions about the suicide guy, just prejudice on my part.

    Luckily missed the boat on this transgender is somehow acceptable rubbish, and my view is it isn’t. Certainly would not put anyone who was going through the procedure in a position of responsibility or stress though, and have a firm view that such folk should not be teaching young children period.

    Was fun to check the source though, and am glad that I will never meet the suicide guy, LittleJohn or the mongs who wrote the smear copy.

    Feel sorry for the suicide’s child though. Surprised everyone missed that, and perhaps the part family court / divorce / support and custody orders could have played.

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    What a mug says:

    I never tire of seeing that mugshot of Grant.

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    EU Funded Pro-EU Troll says:

    Vote UKIP.

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    Bless their pointy little heads says:

    It just shows how naive these people are, did they not realise the implications, we all saw Leveson and others pontificating in the show trial along with certain politicians and then a behind closed doors stitch-up, did it never cross their minds that there are many people out there only too willing to use them…Hacked Off as an excuse to introduce yet more draconian laws?. Hugh and co will go down in history as instigators of tyranny, not what they intended?.

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    Dreaming Anomymous says:


    So, in a nutshell, you’re saying the answer is: Disqus can decide what is and isn’t acceptable comment, as an elected private company, because it has “its own policy”.

    That’s freedom of speech down the pan, so why worry about Hacked Off’s law?

    Disqus is used by loads of sites like the Telegraph and the Spectator, does its policy control their comments as well, including the odd ‘free press’ journalist comment?

    What if Disqus is run by a load of Hugh Grant fans, or any other type?

    Disqus should have no say in any debate, no political power at all, as it’s not elected, it’s only a pixel arranger, nothing more.

    And like I said, if Disqus can elevate itself above everything else as a company… why doesn’t Guido?

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    Same As It Ever Was says:

    And yet some ‘newspapers’ only have themselves to blame. Far from defending the truth, is not this side-show more about The Sun’s ‘right’ to print the same old BS?

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    Labour voter on Daybreak says:

    I spend me benefit money on ciggies, cider and Sky TV. I have human rights too and thing. Don’t cut my benefits and thing.

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    Voter says:

    The Royal Charter proposals are unacceptable, full stop. Whether they extend as far as small bloggers or not is merely a detail.

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    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    Well Done Militwit! You’ve given your labour party leadership to this hughgrant person who wants to deny free speech .

    Another Great Labour Principle sacrificed to labour’s worship of celebrity!!

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    Devine Brown says:

    I give blow jobs.

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    Labour voter on Daybreak says:
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    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    Hutton, Chilcot, Leveson – one begins to think there is something Very Wrong with these judges !!

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    US Watch says:

    The showdown with the IMF the other day is likely to have some very serious consequences indeed:

    It is likely to be the catalyst which undoes the QE and efforts being made under austerity.

    Here is interview with Farage from yesterday, worth a listen:


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    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    Errr Very Sorry but the economy was mucked up by labour – remember liam byrne and ‘there’s no money left’ as he skipped out of the treasury like a mad fairy?!

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    Anonymous says:

    2400 in 24 hours? Less than 10% of the total in the first 24 hours after Hacked Off launched their original petition. Face it Guido (or should it be Sergei, old beetle belly), you have lost and no matter how much you bleat on behalf of your paymaster at NI, nothing will change the defeat.

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    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    Well the simple answer, as Ian Duncan Smith said, is to introduce a ration/credit card that only allows people to spend their benefits on rent, food and clothes.

    The sooner that’s done the better.

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    Alistair Tourettes Campbell says:

    Who care’s about f**k@ng sh*t press arse freedom you Tory baby eating scum “£^&+@ when my mate T Blairs government took away the bloody Iraqi peoples fuc&ng freedom!!

    W anker M oron D ick’eads!!

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    Wake Me Up says:

    Why vote for a one trick pony?

    U KIP if you want too…….

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    light night reading says:

    sexualised’ imagery

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    Wake Me Up says:

    Isn’t the Daily Mirror implicated?

    And now the Guardian is going to have to face the same demons….

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    Article 19 says:

    I see that the people who don’t want free speech are still at it.

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    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    I think you are wrong there. It isn’t just people who have voted.

    Just look at the myriad comments online who feel that edmiliband has given over the labour leadership to hughgrant and hacked off.

    I’m sad about that because I believe a real democracy needs balance between all ELECTED representatives . Hacked Off is NOT elected and yet has taken control of labour party policy!!

    The Labour Party has sold out to Celebrity and Easy Money at the expense of Voters. That is Very Bad!!

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    Bluto says:

    Lost what? You admit there was more to this than redress for the victimised?

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    Anonymous says:

    It is true that a picture can tell a story better than many words. The one of Guido looking ‘tired and emotional’ whilst peering blearily over a huge belly tells a lot about the effect of working for News International.

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    Casual Observer says:

    Check out the system as it was put in over in the US.

    JP Morgan ended up with the contract to manage that. Makes them a lot of money as well.

    Irrespective of what people think, when the money has been handed over it should be up to the individual to spend as they see fit. The state controlling your spending is a very slippery slope.

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    HaaaHaaa says:

    Yes, Comment Aint Free anymore!

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    Casual Observer says:

    +1 : But they also took control of Tory and Lib Dem as well.

    UKIP not.

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    Anonymous says:

    Certainly not. It is about the right of Murdoch to subvert British democracy by inventing appropriate stories during an election.

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    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    Well if you’re talking about Labour, that’ll be alicampbell’s sexed up dossier won’t it?

    Y’know that one that lied about wmd at 45mins in order to take us into the illegal Iraq War.

    Labour – Big on Lies – not so good on the economy!! In fact pretty awful on all fronts!!

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    Animal Lover says:

    …. when you can vote for the no-trick donkeys heading up the three main Westminster cliques

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    Anonymous says:

    I so agree that links should be investigated. I suggest the next enquiry should look at the network of connections between Guido, News International and the Russians. Strange bedfellows I know, but the strands are so numerous they resemble sphagetti.

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    Bless their pointy little heads says:

    I suspect the individuals are hand picked for the Job, if you get my meaning.

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    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    Ah The failed LibDems influencing coalition policy yet again.

    It is time to cut them lose!!

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    Anonymous says:

    There is one strong reason for voting ‘Parker’ Farage. He has already shown his immense skill in embezzling money from Strasbourg. If he could repeat the trick on behalf of the country….

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    Anonymous says:

    The argument. The battle. The war.

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    Anonymous says:

    UKIP Statements:

    – Shut the flood gates – Kick them all out!

    – They are taking all our jobs – Kick them all out!

    – They are taking all our homes – Kick them all out!

    – They are flooding in – Kick them all out!

    – We are not playing the race-card – Kick them all out!

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    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    Talking of Battles and wars –

    Labour and WMD at 45 mins Lie over Iraq War = Argument Lost

    Economy Trashed ( failed gordon brown chancellor) = Argument Lost

    Ed Miliband and Anthropogenic Global Warming Lies = Argument Lost

    The EU created Millionaire Kinochochios – EU Argument Lost

    I could go on but doubt I need to…..!!!

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    Anonymous says:

    The Russians???

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    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    Handpicked for their inability to be balanced and impartial!!

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    EU Watch says:

    More fallout from Lagarde’s failure:

    The background from mid last year:


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    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    And let’s not forget D r D av i d K e l l y who was done to death by this evil labour lot!

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    Casual Observer says:

    The Lib Dems unfortunately cannot be cut loose as then we will likely end up with a Labour government in coalition without GE.

    Just enjoy deputy pm Clegg being taken to pieces by people on LBC, until UKIP have a few councils under control ;-)

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    The Institute for Political Economy says:

    As you seem so interested in the Iraq war…are you adult enough to take this in?

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    Fresh Food Is Cheaper says:

    The issue I have with that is that these plastic will only benefit big business and the ration cards will restrict people to the chain supermarkets and prevent them buying at places that offer better value for money like fresh food markets.

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    Same As It Ever Was says:

    And yet the Tories always claim to hate the Nanny State. One rule for them…

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    Candle says:

    QT audience is openly laughing at the Labour mong, which us good to see.

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    How long will it last? says:

    QT looking half good this week, may be the BBC has taken notice after their lefty bias was caught out the other week.

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    Benefit layabout says:

    Money money money
    I spend your money
    In a scrounger’s world
    Money money money
    I want your money
    In a dosser’s world

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    Been applause for lower taxes and less spending

    Someone at the Beeb has fucked up!

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    QT good for a change says:

    Anthony Horowitz laying into Hacked Off. Good stuff. Emily Fatbelly makes me sick.

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    Candle says:

    I like Horowitz, I dislike the Labour mong.

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    Mike says:

    Littlejohn started his career as an industrial and union correspondent . I believe Labour considered asking him to stand as a PPC

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    Anonymous says:

    The kippers have taken over the comments on the DT – a stampeding hoard of fruitcake silver surfers.

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    More Correctly says:

    Tony and his mates went into an legal war on the lie that Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction – that could be fired within at 45 mins. He and his Spin Doctor led the press to the Weapons Inspector. And yet, what did the Tories and the British press do to question all this?

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    The Pork Sword of Justice says:

    They don’t shop there anyway.

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    NICK BOLES The PLANNING Minister says:

    “I couldn’t care who owns the bloody things”

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    Ed Dafty, LimpDim MP, Climate Change Chieftain says:

    I’m focused on reducing our carbon footprint and raising your energy bills.

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    Anonymous says:

    I stand corrected. Delete first 4 words.

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    QT good for a change says:

    Why does Emily Thornberry have to ALWAYS be so affected in her mannerisms and false indignation? Pathetic.

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    A Knee Jerk Lobbyist says:

    Let’s buy Cyprus!

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    Ed Militwit says:

    R u thircumthised cock thucker as well!

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    WVM says:

    What the fuck is going on, are the usual BBC QT staff on strike today?

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    Candle says:

    She also mutters to herself like a bag lady

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    Joe says:

    Has someone hacked my TV set?

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    The Pork Sword of Justice says:

    Cameron’s first reaction when someone shout “JUMP!” is to ask “how High”

    What a weasel.

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    Is Dave Hacked Off? says:

    Good job Dave is all for a free press and will congratulate the Telegraph for recording and exposing his planning minister to the public.

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    Anonymous says:

    Didn’t Leveson ask his chum Campbell to look into “dealing with blogs” a trip to France wasn’t it. Wonder if Campbell sexed up that dossier?

    Want to know what real scum looks like Campbell? Take a look in the mirrror.

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    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

    Who was Energy Secretary for the last two years of The Reign of Terror 1997-2010 ?

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    QT good for a change says:

    No applause for Thornberry. :-D

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    Four Candles says:

    Do you know the meaning of ad hominem?

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    QT good for a change says:

    Fabulous. Horowitz just ripped into Thornberry over literacy, and she deployed her usual affected mannerisms.

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    Uglies in Parliament says:

    Emily Patronising Smugberry has children, well well, she’s definately a two bagger (two in case one bursts) or maybe they’re adopted, ugh.

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    Question Time says:

    Whats wrong with David Dumbleby he’s not interrupting none lefties?

    Where are the usual bunch of rabid lefty mongs foaming at the mouth?

    Where’s the Labour party plant?

    Have I been transported to an alternate universe?

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    John 'Big Boy' Prescott says:

    Tracey Temple?

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    He even said ‘out of the EU’ ….

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    The wizz says:

    Well done Nell, you nailed that one to the mast. Having read some of the sentences that they hand down, one wonders where they actually stand in regard to the Laws of our Parliament. They do seem to to think they are Law Makers. Whereas they should only implement the Law.

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    QT good for a change says:

    I do. It’s like when Harriet Harman called Danny Alexander a ginger rat. Or when Tony Blair’s spin doctors spread vicious rumours about Mo Mowlam. Or Campbell smearing Dr Kèlly by leaking claims he was seen as a Walter Mitty.

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    Thicko watch says:

    She should be on the stage. Bloody Thespian she is.

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    Me me me me me me me says:

    What a disgustingly smell fat bitch she is.

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    jimbo says:

    I’m pretty sure being called scum by that liar is a compliment. Alistair Campbell helped Blair sex up a dossier which was based on lies and hundreds of thousands of people died. So who is scum?

    He just can’t get over the fact that the Daily Mail is popular and never supported New Labour and he has developed an obsession about it.

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    QT good for a change says:

    Thornberry is truly irritating.

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    Candle says:

    Ok, she mutters to herself like someone who is completely uniquely muttering in a manner which does not compare with any other weird and unhinged mutterer.

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    QT good for a change says:

    They’re now discussing Cyprus. Let me guess, Emily Thornberry will blame the government for the Cyprus problems.

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    Enraged Kipper says:


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    Emily Thornberry says:

    You are truly irritating…get a fucking life!

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    Same As It Ever Was says:

    Thank for that useful and interesting link. The true IS out there – if someone is willing to look.

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    Gordon Brown says:

    It started in America

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    All bases covered tonight says:

    Because there are two J*ws on the panel tonight?

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    judicial / legal tyranny a la Commie russia anyone?

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    In Sympathy says:

    Mr Thornberry…Poor sod. No one should have to put up with that woman. I hope he made the most of his evening while the millstone was doing QT.

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    The Luvvies says:

    The Stage is normally controlled by the chosen ones dontcha know!

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    WVM says:

    Unless it’s the UK then it was the banks.

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    QT good for a change says:

    Go on a diet.

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    jimbo says:

    @obotheclown always slightly surprised when @campbellclaret stakes a claim for the high ground— Lord North (@LordNorth) March 21, 2013

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    Anonymous says:

    What a Total Banker you are.

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    The wizz says:

    I think Herr Go-balls or maybe Herr Hed-balls would have come up with something better than that?

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    now what? says:

    @obotheclown always slightly surprised when @campbellclaret stakes a claim for the high ground— Lord North (@LordNorth) March 21, 2013

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    Don't call us we'll call you says:

    Labour party membership card an advantage but not essential.

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    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

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    WVM says:

    Brillo looking good tonight too with Starkey on.

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    Richard Chimney says:

    Do what I do. Grab the Kleenex and switch on some filth.

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    Fatbott ate all the sarnies says:

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    WVM says:

    Max and his freudian slips eh!

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    Anonymous says:

    Was under the impression that this site is an Alternate Universe for the right-wing.

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    Joss Ayinglike says:

    Close. She was the energetic secretary.

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    QT good for a change says:

    If you enjoyed tonight’s Question Time, make the most of it. Next week it comes from Rochdale. :-D I can imagine how it’ll go.

    “First question from Ibrahim Mansour”.

    “Does the panel believe women should be stoned to death for not obeying their husbands?”

    “And now for our next question, we go to Yasmina Jilal”.

    “Yes, do you all accept you’re going to hell for not following allah?”

    “Moving on to our next question from Yusuf Abdul”.

    “Infidels. When will the government legalise female genital mutilation?”

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    Joe says:

    She looks confused.

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    WVM says:

    I believe it’s called chimping out.

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    Lard Pressclott of Beams, Bellies, Banjos, Bulimia, two bog seats, two Jags & Shags. says:

    Me. Deputy prime minister.

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    Striked says:

    BBC staff go on strike next Thursday.

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    Sexed Along says:

    And just what is it you dis-agree with?

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    Magoo Maguire started out the same way – he’s still got his head up his own Rse.

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    Diane Fatbott says:

    In Portcullis House this morning. My word, they’ve made Space Invaders tough, haven’t they ?

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    Brillo rocks says:

    Brillo had a great line. Postie said Labour had a plan for growth, and Brillo said “What, a magic tree?” :-D

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    Ten Years On says:

    “March 19, 2013. Ten years ago today the Bush regime invaded Iraq. It is known that the justification for the invasion was a packet of lies orchestrated by the neoconservative Bush regime in order to deceive the United Nations and the American people.” Paul Craig Roberts

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    Rice & Peas or Peas & Rice? says:

    She’s studying the menu.

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    Anonymous says:

    You are free to use, or not use, the service. You are free to start a competitive service. Stop thinking fashion and popularity are compulsions.

    Freedom of speech is a concept where you can speak without hindrance. It however does not allow you to speak in Parliament, nor in a local council meeting, a super market AGM, using the tannoy at a football match, or scream abuse in the streets. In the same way you cannot expect to write on any site without the owner’s consent.

    The missing part is, although you are free to speak, you have no right, what so ever, to force anyone to listen. The host (publicly elected or private company) determines the speakers. The poor audience also has a right not to listen. Although a certain lady made sure that we all had a right to listen to public meetings (council meetings) and not to be barred for anything other than disruptive behaviour. But there is no right to speak to any particular audience.

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    Jimmy Saville says:

    Go on lad!

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    Trouble at mill says:

    I guess BBC Question Time will only get better :)

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    The EU says:

    How can they be made to?

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    he also just said “there’s nothing Portillo likes more than finding a 12″ Hawaiian waiting in the kitchen.”

    Then he burst into laughter.
    They’ll be letters!

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    Me thinks that the ptb – have guaged the rage against the political incompetents and pygmies. Once the rage is noted by the mass of the people the ptb get scared and – THEY SHOULD BE.

    Enough of the bull5hit of the Climate Change Acting of 2008. All the subsequent ‘actors’ at the DECC have been shown to be utter criminals, chancers hanging on for bung or two here or there … [T Yeo! et autres]
    Enough of the bloody windmills and local and national pygmies trying to sell the crap to the public … as in we tried to do our best to stop them but we have to do it ‘cos were suborned to that bloody EU – but we can’t admit it.

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    Oooooerrrrrrrrrrr says:

    Not french ones I hope

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    Don’t forget Trevor Kavanagh was in it up to his goatee beard with Campbell & Co.

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    Casual Observer says:

    This is more serious than it sounds.

    The colder weather which is blowing in was totally unanticipated when purchasing was made for gas, and the Norwegians started doing some maintenance work on one the supply pipelines.

    I cannot help but link that decision to the news emerging that the UK was in talks with Gazpr0m for a new pipeline late last year.

    This is a seriously big f*ck up, and the windmills are not going to keep you warm, or whats left of industry going:

    To be fair though, the Norweg!an maintenance has got to happen, but the total screwing up on UK energy policy could see the lights going out soon.

    The big problem with LNG, which would normally fill the gap, is a lack of transporters. There are a lot on order being built now, but since J@pan became #1 importer following Fukush!ma, there has been a bottleneck in the distribution. The new transports should be ready later this year / next.

    The unexpected drops in North Sea production have been most responsible for UK GDP hits over the past couple of years.

    To add insult to injury, the spike in UK wholesale prices coincides with a dip in the global price. The up coming closure of the coal stations may be unavoidable, but will not fix the problem if nat gas cannot be delivered to industry / domestic users.

    Fun fact: Nat gas is used in the production of fertilizer. ;-)

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    QT have been ridiculed across the globe – and they deserve to have been for their disgusting bias … It’s suposedly the leading political talk show on UK TV – Huh!

    With such blatant bias and that IT IS NOT AIRED LIVE … it has become a joke like the rest of the dirty infested organisation.

    It ‘takes’ (under threat of imprisonment) the public purse – and ignores the Public Interest.

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    Brillo needs to take a sharp look back at his editorship of ‘The Business’ and what was ‘published’ during its short time about CORPORATE GOVERNANCE.

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    Bluto says:

    Horrible, bullying woman who doesn’t like being told. God help us when she becomes Attorney General.

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    Anon says:

    No, it is not freedom of speech down the pan.

    Expressing yourself on their platform, you have to abide by their rules.

    Expressing yourself in public, albeit in federal buildings or federally owned land, you can say whatever you want and the government cannot touch you.

    Note: In the US, when you are in a place of business you are on private property. Most public sidewalks etc. belong to a municipal authority and are strictly private as well. etc.

    14th Amendment though ensures states have to protect and respect your constitutional rights as the federal government does, so you should be able to express yourself freely in state government buildings.

    If Disqus was run by the government and publicly owned then first amendment rules. It isn’t – it is private and you are subject to a terms of agreement via the contract you enter when you sign up.

    Disqus is not an elected private company, it is a private company.

    The reason to worry about the charter plan is that this plan is explicitly giving the government the right to dictate what is and is not acceptable in terms of free speech.

    If you set up your own server on your own property with your own ISP and hook that up to the web, then you can say whatever you wish and the government cannot shut you down or ask you to moderate your content in any way.

    With the charter, under the full situation above, they can.

    Moreover, for the press, the government can directly coerce the editorial via statute. In the US that is a no-go. The editorial is set by the private company which owns the press.

    It takes a bit of thought to get head round the concepts, but if you do you will then understand what the difference is between a free press and a government regulated one :-)

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    Bluto says:

    Agree. Awful woman.

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    Jimmy says:

    The Daily Hitler’s report inexplicably neglects to refer to its own previous story. Such modesty. And Littledick’s take on the subject seems to have disappeared down the memory hole.

    It’s this kind of (let’s call it) journalism which is now under threat.

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    Jimmy says:

    I wrote off for one of those buttons as soon as I saw the ad and I’m still waiting.

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    Anon says:

    Oh, and with the T’Graph and other publications, they have the right and the ability to moderate the Disqus content which appears on their site themselves.

    This again is part of the terms of contract you enter when authorizing your account onto their private sites.

    Have noticed lots of stuff removed from the T’Graph site: It is not Disqus who do that, but the T’Graph themselves.

    This blog is the same, however the owner has a different policy compared to the T’Graph site. However, if you check his terms of contract you will note that the owner makes it clear that material submitted in the comment section belongs to him, so he has the right to do with it what he wishes.

    However, the liability for any dubious content would reside with the individual who posted the material, in the event of a civil action being brought.

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    thick people in power says:

    The campaign for more women in politics surely took a knock tonight with those two stupid bitches on Question Time.
    Fuck me, they were woeful.

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    Jimmy says:

    It is the Daily Hitler though, so probably intended as a compliment.

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    Bluto says:

    So an argument becomes a battle within a war? And what is the “war” objective?

    No, don’t tell me, I think I know. A one party state where everyone is forced to agree with you.

    Socialists = fascists. At least you admit it.

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    Not Blowing Whistles says:

    QT is b/s.

    You get more balanced and informed question / answer sessions when MPs hop on mumsnet.

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    Casual Observer says:

    So are the 1922 committee going to wait until we have run out of gas before getting the letters in ?

    I do not think that the budget is not going to deliver much growth this year, or enhance Conservative candidates come polling day. In fact it is going to seriously back fire when the cut in beer duty is cancelled by the rise in wholesale price of beer, and Europe fines the UK for discriminatory tax policy vs. wine.

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    fuck off hacked off says:

    Who is going to investigate when the media is being stuffed full of common purpose graduates.

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    Putin is evil says:

    You’d be begging to be free of the Russians if you were under their boot you ungrateful little shit.

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    (I've been renamed) DA-Notice says:

    How about Lords Pearson or Stoddart or Baroness Trumpington?

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    Alice says:

    “the potential impact on bloggers and small publishers was unforeseen – an accident in the drafting ”
    And you were only inspecting Devine’s tonsils.

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    albacore says:

    What happens to freedom of blogging and the press
    With this mess of pottage is anybody’s guess
    The great cobwebbed elephants still lurk in the room
    And it ain’t even as if they’re concealed in gloom
    In enslavement to the E U we had no voice
    And on immigration the British have no choice
    All this flannel about what you can or can’t say
    Means sod all when real liberty’s flushed away

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    sir jangle of jingle says:

    been there etc etc

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    Alice says:

    Perhaps the Blogg Off petition isn’t cheating by allowing countless multiple entries like the Hacked Off petition did! (I got bored after proving the point by having seven different email address entries accepted.)

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    Aydodge E. Scheisster QC says:

    Anon at 12:42 am:

    Important here to add that for many years, the US Supreme Court was dominated by an outcome-based-decision mentality that allowed the Justices to claim that anything that was available to the American public at large offered by anyone anywhere in America in the course of their doing business was in theory “interstate commerce” regulatable by Congress and amenable to Federal Court jurisdiction (and in one egregious case, Wickard v. Filburn, even held that abstaining from engaging in interstate commerce could be considered to impinge on interstate commerce and hence regulatable). All of this was a fig-leaf to effect The New Deal at first, and then became a way to effect civil-rights laws enforcement in the American South, with respect to equal access to all of what were considered public accommodations. This is a plus, however, in the sense that, if you have a generally-conservative-leaning Court, as you do now (even upholding Obamacare notwithstanding), they are probably likely to see any attempts at regulating content on the Net (y’know, the usual “hate-speech” complaints by the usual suspects) as having to overcome a very strong presumption against it, based on Equal Protection principles, where they would scrutinise whether such regulation unduly prevented an identifiable class of persons/entities from gaining access to the Net based solely in virtue of their membership in the class, as did the Court with respect to racial discrimination in public accommodations, by the bootstrap argument that if it could be interstate commerce, it’s a federal issue on that basis alone, leaving aside the human rights questions (since race/gender/religion/citizenship might not be involved, there might be arguments pro and con as to applicability of those). Sauce for goose and gander alike– you had your turn defending the rights you wanted to defend for those whom you wanted to protect, we’ll do the same now. (The end justifies the means, if you will, though they never have said, nor will they ever say as much.) The question of content regulation in the US takes a back seat anyway to the Net-neutrality debate that has most people’s knickers in a knot who care about such shit. You do the heavy-lifting and look that one up, I can’t be arsed to explain that– I’m a lawyer, Jim, not a telecoms maven.

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    sniff pollys arse says:

    Dude just accept that we dont want press freedom its way too complicated. All we want is you know like polly toinbank to like tell us the scene ..its so easy dude like if there was like no moon and i said there was like no moon dude there would be no moon dude

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    Alice says:

    Makes a good case over Iraq and Afghanistan but gets shaky on Libya and Syria and loses the plot when he extends his argument to WWII.

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    Casual Observer says:

    And nobody has done a mailing hit on the Labour membership email list.

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    Casual Observer says:

    Carl von Clausewitz once said:

    “War is the continuation of Politik by other means”

    Could Europe be considered to be in a state of war at present, and did this start when Pappendreou was replaced by Troika back in November 2011 ?

  271. 271
    Extremely Ancient Seafarer says:

    You youngsters don’t know about / remember how ration books worked in the 1940s. Ask Nell, she’ll explain it better than I can.

    A simple system that ensured everybody had enough on a weekly/fortnightly basis for their needs. The benefits system should be reworked along those lines. I don’t recall booze and fags or other drugs being available with them though.

  272. 272
    Extremely Ancient Seafarer says:

    You have all heard the expression as jober as a sudge. Many a true word spoken in jest etc…

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    Catty Comment (Ms) says:

    Agree. He should have just told Grant, McCann etc and the Milipede to piss off – and make it clear that there would be no parliamentary time made available for these measures for the next few years.

  274. 274
    Catty Comment (Ms) says:

    Well, I seem to recall a million or more folk demonstrating along Whitehall at the time – all of whose concerns were contemptuously dismissed by Blair, Campbell and the others.

    PS: Blair and his mates went into an ILLEGAL war etc. There fixed it for you.

    PPS: Hans Blix and his colleagues constantly made the point to those who would listen – including the UN – that even after several hundred detailed inspections in Iraq they had found NO evidence of any WMDs.

  275. 275
    Catty Comment (Ms) says:

    Looks like she forgot to put her teeth in (or the wrong set).

  276. 276
    Coro Di Merda says:

    Our government is in New York and Brussels in case you hadn’t noticed. The errand boys sit in Wastemonster, do try and keep up.

  277. 277
    Coro Di Merda says:

    True, but his self inflated ego is immense.

  278. 278
    Coro Di Merda says:

    Abbott is only a reflection of Labour’s heartland ‘core voters’.

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    Dog Star says:

    No official of my administration, whether his rank his high or low, civilian or military should interpret my words here tonight as a reason to censor the news to stifle dissent to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and public the facts they deserve to know

    John F. Kennedy

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    Coro Di Merda says:

    Dave’s Fauxservative party, are not in the slightest way Tory. In fact, you could argue, that they detest Tories as much as the BBC / Guardian axis of liars.

  281. 281
    Coro Di Merda says:

    Labour have principles?

    The only principle they adhere to, is self enrichment from the public purse. All the rest is meaningless clap trap, for the peasants consumption.

  282. 282
    Coro Di Merda says:

    You are confusing Fabian Dave’s socialist Fauxservatives, with actual Tories. Different beast entirely.

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    Gas Watch says:

    If anyone has any interest in the gas shortage problems, the figures can be found here:

    Note: This gas is that used by the power generators.

    The problem is with ‘Rough': That storage facility off the east coast is the primary feeder for the other onshore facilities, excluding LNG.

    Looking down the numbers, (excluding the LNG), it is possible to see how gas is shifted around the country in order to meet demand.

    It is running low due to maintenance work in Norway, which itself is running behind schedule. Some equipment on the bottom of the north sea needed repair, and that was probably delayed by some of the winter storms blowing through.

    Rough is now at 7%, certainly below the low fuel mark, which is about 10%.

    The problem is that the gas fired stations are fired up to meet the peak demands. Gas stations can be switched on / off relatively quickly, which distinguishes them from coal / nuke stations: The windmills are not reliable.

    With demand high due to cold weather, heating consumes more power than lights, the real immediate issue is that there may be brown / black outs during the peak period commercial breaks between 6pm and 8pm, caused by people popping the kettle on and the power companies not being able to meet demand.

    In the worst case, power demand may not be met overnight when most people who use electric will have their storage heaters running.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion says:

    Well said.

    That’s why we need to build more nuclear to provide the base load & start fracking so we are less reliant on imports. Energy security is top priority followed by reliability and then price.

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    A Greengrocer says:

    Nuke Brussel’s.

  287. 287
    Dee Lusional says:

    Better get your c*** out. At this rate you’ll be outvoted.

    Make Love. Not War!

  288. 288
    Ed Dafty, LimpDim MP, Climate Change Chieftain says:

    No, no !! More windmills, more windmills.

  289. 289
    Rage Agains the Political Elite says:

    Any Brain Washed Sheep that believes this Shit.. Ask this question.. You know the CO2 Green house Gas that keeps the heat in.. Where the Fu-k is it.. Its fu-king freezing..

  290. 290
    UKIP if you want to says:

    One of the key policies of the USSR was a centrally planned economy. Left shoe factories in Georgia (not US). Right shoe factories in Latvia.

    Wonder where they got the idea from?

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    Mugsy Mahoy says:

    Dont be thick. The only people who demonstrate are lefties. So called conservatives, right wingers and libertarians are to shit scared to do anything except post arse comments (like this) on blogs and news sites.

  292. 292
    Mugsy Mahoy says:

    And no doubt you and most of your pals here will vote for them again. Carry on playing my guys better than your guy politics…

  293. 293
    Joss Ayinglike says:

    What the State does with our money…

  294. 294
    Buzby Berkely says:

    No, they are just too busy working.

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    B Boyd says:

    We have always been at war with the UK.

  296. 296
    Buzby Berkely says:

    Perhaps Divine helped him with the inflattio?

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    My guess is that the UK will squeak through this. There is another week of sub-zero temperatures at night and then the thermometer will rise by over 10°. This pattern is occurring all over Europe. What it shows is that, if we get too many more of these situations in future winters, then one of them will catch us up if we do not take measures. Coal may now be burned economically as its price has fallen so far. A number of coal power stations are available on a standby basis and we should be using them much more. The other source of fuel that might burn to great effect are all our copies of the Kyoto Treaty.

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    Gas Watch says:

    The nuke plants will help with electricity generation.

    Gas though has a lot of other uses in industry. You cannot run a blast furnace off a nuke plant, or at least it is not a good idea to try ;-)

    Fracking is the way forward there, but there is a new Gazpr0m pipeline being constructed at present.

    The CO2 limits should be scrapped, and some of the coal fired plants replaced. The 6 which are scheduled to be shut down are likely in such a poor state of repair that it would be unsafe to keep them going.

    Conversion of Drax to wood-chips is lunacy. Worth a Google, and a stiff drink: Do not punch the wall too hard.

  299. 299
    Gas Watch says:

    Unfortunately Kyoto / EU treaties will not burn in a gas fired station. But point taken.

    The deciding factor will be if there are further delays to the ongoing maintenance. The maintenance I think is on the bottom of the north sea, and winter storms prevent work proceeding as the support vessels have to return to port.

    The divers themselves cannot stay compressed for too long either, and their decompression cycle takes about a week or so.

    Fingers crossed…

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    Reasons to be a 'kipper says:

    This cash bond scheme for immigrants will not work:

    The bond will have to be comparable with the average cost of an illegal entry in order to have any real effect. Otherwise, GBP 1000 is not too much to lose.

    Better to keep them out.

    It will not apply to Roman!an and Bulgar!ans who are going to be the lion share of migrants 2014, which one guesses is the spin…

    Vote UKIP.

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    Maq­boul says:

    I see the professional morale outragers are out in force again. The unseemly dash to the keyboard to out pontificate each other about the death of someone they’ve never heard of before is even more sickening.


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    Got a new Crayon says:

    Hmm, black screen, black mouse, white keyboard -them whiteys are always playing divide and rule…

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    Put on Pensioner says:

    I have no problem with approved truth only doctored opinion on cherry picked news to support a given political argument

  304. 304
    Put on Pensioner says:

    There is a notion that people appearing on TV, Film and Radio (themselves included) that broadcast news is factual and accurate when “in fact” it is more often only an “opinion” or their interpretation of the news item chosen by somebody (who may be biased) as worthy of report.

    Moreover “opinion” is NOT news but simply just a point of view by the reporter on a news item.

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    the savant 10.4 highway patrol says:

    Lord Lucan ( erstwhile) says:

    I ll do it !! — but it will have to be via video link from Labuan, Vanuatu, Micronesia or some other equally secretive location on the map where they can t easily land a direct flight C130 to pick me up .

    Oh and a special message to the FOP :

    As it s Friday Mr Hugh Granite may I wish you an absolutely DIVINE weekend.

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    Mark says:

    You could ask The Lord Pearson of Rannoch to table the amendment

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    the savant 10.4 highway patrol says:



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    Dreaming Anomymous says:

    Anons of late night wisdom:

    So… if the warty ugly truth ruffles feathers… simply delete it?

    Maturity defined?

    Why do your explanations have no reference to the truth being more valuable than a lie?


    Do you not hold the truth as the final arbitrator… yes or no?

    Let’s start from scratch shall we… yes or no?

    Yes = No one should be oppressing it. No über mortal goosies.

    No. = You aren’t sane really, if you think it‘s your putty.

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    Neo-Plato says:

    Murdoch was BAD.

    He took us to a BAD place.

    Lets not go there again

  310. 310
    Anonymous says:

    Iraq After Ten Years — Paul Craig Roberts

    “…Washington’s puppet state governments in the UK, Europe, the Middle East and Japan seem equally pleased with the victory–over what? What threat did the victory defeat? There was no threat. Weapons of mass destruction was a propaganda hoax. Mushroom clouds over American cities was fantasy propaganda. How ignorant do populations have to be to fall for such totally transparent propaganda? Is there no intelligence anywhere in the Western world?…” Institute for Political Economy, 18 March 2013

  311. 311
    Anonymous says:

    Guidos wife is a senior employee of one of the smellier Russian banks and his company Messagespace is contracted to the Russian embassy for advice on use of social media.

  312. 312
    Anonymous says:

    excuses excuses…….

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    Anonymous says:

    You missed the point that, unlike most UK PMs, Putin is no US Lap Dog.

  314. 314
    Tom Watson says:

    “It is clear to all but the very stupid that the new system should only apply to big media”.

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    Out Reach Re-education says:

    Hitler was a socialist.

  316. 316
    Because I'm Worth It. says:

    As a Total Banker, I spent my time smashing up the country, yet the government continue to give me millions. And, if the Tories get there way, the EU will not cut my benefits.

  317. 317
    Same As It Ever Was says:

    Do you mean real Tories welcome the Nanny State, for themselves, but not the poor?

  318. 318
    Anonymous says:

    year right like the Countryside Alliance marches, full of lefties weren’t they?…..

  319. 319
    Ten Years On says:

    Clearly, while he makes some interesting points about WWII, many people are likely to have problems with the case he makes. As for Libya, and now Syria, there is enough evidence out there to support his case. Along with other reports, check out Wikipedia on the Color Revolutions.

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    Duck And Cover says:

    “Fukushima: The company suspects the rodent may have caused a short-circuit in a switchboard, triggering the power cut.”

    “…The power cut shut down cooling systems for four spent fuel ponds at reactors 1, 3 and 4 on Monday evening, although cooling to the reactors themselves was not affected. The system cooling water which contained spent – but still highly radioactive – nuclear fuel rods failed and it took engineers some 30 hours to repair the damage…” BBC 20 March 2013

    Build more nuclear – any other great ideas?

  321. 321
    Casual Observer says:

    Employ cats, and put out poison bait / traps.

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    BBC Disinfotainment Commissioning Team says:

    Whereas the likes of the Graun, the Dependent, (not to mention their BBroadCasting wing) never subvert democracy by favouring one party or movement and running false or cherry-picked stories.

  323. 323
    BBC Disinfotainment Commissioning Team says:

    You should be okay with that then comrade.

  324. 324
    BBC Disinfotainment Commissioning Team says:

    Got to love fanboys of autocratic socialist basket-case failed states who cheerlead the oppression of democracies.

  325. 325
    Anonymous says:

    Is not YOUR opinion but another point-of-view?

  326. 326
    Duck And Cover says:

    But what do they do with the Radio-Active Rats?
    (Sounds like a punk-rock group)

  327. 327
    Duck And Cover says:

    In that case, why do scholars identify National “Socialism” (Nazism) as a form of hard-right politics?

  328. 328
    More Correctly says:

    Germany 1930s/40s was a one party Nazi state, where everyone was forced to agree with an all powerful leader. National “Socialists” = Fascist.

  329. 329
    Anonymous says:

    And what about Russia Today?

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