February 16th, 2013

Saturday Seven Up

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You’re either in front of Guido, or behind…


  1. 1
    Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler says:

    Do people not have a right to an honest opinion about marriage without having to be called nasty?


    • 9

      Report to the correction room for treatment now or risk being fined for your intemperate remark.


      • 38
        Anonymous says:

        best to be skint.


        • 70

          Whilst the obvious retort might be: each to our own, many might agree that true riches are not measured in monetary terms.


          • Pseudo-intellectual twat says:

            This is often said by retires who are running out of money


          • Anonymous says:

            dialling code for us…as a nation…a sovereign us……
            .we are all sovereign beings…
            any number we ring in the country is prefixed as a zero…we so communicate with everyone with the thought that behind it all and the front of it all is a zero a nothingness.
            looking afield the international calls are prefixed by a double zero.
            so wake up Britain.
            we really cannot truely connect until we start with the number zero.
            hence the journey from zero to hero is zero. zilch.
            in any case
            the ultimate hero is infinite. so huge that it does not fit in our tiny brain.
            however…is it any mightier than the zero?
            when we divide infinte by zero…..we get zero.
            when we multiply infinite by zero..we zero.
            the staggering truth is that zero is mightier that the ultimate hero.
            but then who made the zero if not the ultimate that cannot be known…that is what is even before there existed the uni.verse. in the house of god though in the universe of form…zero is mighty than all else….when god submits.
            that is the end folks.
            hence skint is best.
            as when we do serve our master on earth or wherever…by giving him ownership of all our wordly, emotional and yes..even spiritual belongings he will submit….and then honour us by granting our wish.
            billionaire is nothing….except serving him with all our earthly might..so that he does not come to harm.
            but peace is more elusive….for that nothing less than zero will do….ie. each number is actually smaller that the fearsome might of a zilch.


          • oooer... says:

            Anons on one moniker…


          • Rage Against the Political Elite says:

            The Quasi Privatisation of the Utilities has been nothing more than a complete Fu-k up.
            Well done for the introduction of private capital from the pensions of the Workers.. So that the same SHIT house educated fools that ran the public sector quango’s can now pay themselves massive bonuses take massive share options and become millionaire’s overnight.. Oh and Now they have taken all of the money.. The Energy companies now need Billions of investment that has to be robbed from the consumer..
            Why the Fu-k aren’t the share holders being asked to stump up the cash like any real private Company.. Eh?? Dilute the C-nts and sell the shares to raise the Cash.. Stop stealing it off the daft C-nts who you nicked the assets off in the First Place..


          • @Rage

            You appear to have missed the fact that New Labour approached these companies before the 1997 election, promising them a light-touch in exchange for all manner of support in return including donations.

            Therefore the whole concept of the state not running industries but merely regulating them, a perfectly correct approach, was corrupted beyond all recognition.

            The people in these industries have now grown up with this approach and now have to be re-educated. The same goes for the police, politicians, NHS, BBC, banks, corporations, the educational establishment, councils and every other part of civic society.


          • Rage Against the Political Elite says:

            Thanks for a Reminder,, In working out that the WHOLE Political class have stashed their ill gotton gains in too shares in these once public owned utilities, their University Educated Pals are running them,, and that is the reason the Government is using TAX payer money to Bail them out or the consumer is asked to pay more to build their asset base as they have raped the businesses for over three decades. Lets demand that the Share Holders take a bath and lets see real businesses and not these State sponsored Quasi Private entities survive. The whole thing is Complete copy of the Soviet Union and we know how that ended. Fu-k me, so Thatcher was a Communist after all????? Or was She just like every other Politician doing as she was told?


    • 18
      Dave the Gays Luvver says:

      I entirely agree that all non PC thoughts must be firmly suppressed.

      They retard the onward march into the future of our all-inclusive multiracial unisex equal opportunities society.


    • 39
      T'Old Fella says:

      What on earth are lot frightened of, Moddy Botty has gone mad, nurse Motty Botty needs changing


    • 51
      Hugh Janus says:

      It’s called the suppression of free speech, something that our forefathers fought and died for. The worst excesses usually come from the lefties, who spend most of their time trying to out-PC each other.


      • 138
        50 Shades of Socialist bollox under the guise of Conservatism says:

        Until recently that is as Camerons “Conservatives” appear to be supressing the truth as well just ask Rachel Frosh.


      • 249
        Jimmy says:

        “It’s called the suppression of free speech, something that our forefathers fought and died for.”

        A bold admission. No doubt Herr Janus Sr. would be proud of you.


    • 149
      Jimmy says:

      You’re the bad guys. Just accept it.


  2. 2
    albacore says:

    The constabulary intends to take its sweet time
    Checking whether killing patients is really a crime
    And do you reckon Mr Hunt is as all-fired keen
    On seeing prosecutions as he’s sought to be seen?
    Because once guilty verdicts begin gathering pace
    Parliament will end up with so much guilt on its face
    Even LibLabCon voters will be screaming demands
    For a state in which they might just be safe in its hands



  3. 3
    Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler says:

    Is it morally right to keep on bashing the rich when the outcome is lower growth and higher unemployment?


    • 5
      albacore says:

      The LibLabCon state don’t recognise a moral question
      Such an excercise just tends to give it indigestion
      And it’s fully occupied sucking up to the E U
      Without chewing on what might be right and proper to do


      • 14
        Labourunionsbbc we are one under the EU says:

        I’ll tell you what’s right. Sacking (without any compensation) all the communist, Marxist, common purpose, Eurofile, place men and wimin that were by-and-large appointed by bliar and broon in executive positions, who are more interested in the advancement of their ’cause’ than the job they are supposed to do. That’s what is right.


        • 43
          Casual Observer says:

          Those useful idiots will either die in the eventual rebellion, or will meet the fate you outline once the puppet masters have a replacement batch.

          Look at what is happening in certain parts of the media for evidence of the latter.


        • 161
          50 Shades of Socialist bollox under the guise of Conservatism says:

          Many political activists on the Left gain employment in the Public services simply because they see it, and they are correct in their analysis, as a platform where they can advance their Political careers. This is not discouraged and in fact in many cases is actively encouraged.This in spite of the fact that our civil and public services are supposedly neutral with regards politics. Mind you its only left wing activity thats allowed, anyone from the right is usually disciplined and sacked even in cases where their political activity is away from the workplace and out of office hours ie comments on facebook.


    • 26
      Thieving Filth says:

      MP’s have No Morals !


      • 46
        T'Old Fella says:

        What are morals, knowing what is right and what is wrong according to your beliefs, be it religion or no religion, in various parts of the world lying, cheating, going to war and aggression is the accepted norm, the Inqisition thought they were doing God’s will as the the protestant witch finders, kings and rulers indulging in mass murder.


  4. 4
    Owin Jones says:

    Lib Dem lasagne removed from sale in Eastleigh – tests reveal it to be 100% Tory.


  5. 6
    Clarence the Crosseyed Lion says:

    “Minute traces of DNA found in politicians”


  6. 7
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    Isn’t it time to allow for class action lawsuits and a verdict of public sector manslaughter to be introduced into legislation for cases such as the Stafford hospital scandal.

    Only jail sentences will stop this happening again.


    • 10
      albacore says:

      Don’t hold your breath waiting. Parliament can’t allow
      A dissection of the N H S sacred cow
      For where would an investigation ever stop?
      The maladministration goes right to the top


  7. 8

    Central bankers have begun to redefine what their role is, moving away from inflation targeting toward sustaining the health of the financial system, indeed the wider economy. New policy makers may bring in new tools, ones which global investors will need to understand quickly.
    Andrew Milligan, head of global strategy at Edinburgh-based Standard Life Investments

    I see dangers here, despite the previous remit clearly being too narrow.

    Firstly we are seeing quite high inflation, not in the figures which are chosen to exclude volatile prices (for which read massaged.) The horse meat scandal is a prime example of a type of inflation which does not find its way into the figures. The consumer pays beef prices and gets given cheaper horse.

    Secondly, whilst the goal of sustaining financial stability may seem worthy at face value, it is likely to include propping up zombie banks which is anything but desirable.

    Thirdly, this change in remit with its vast potential consequences for all of us is being introduced by a hegemonic group to which we have no input. Further, we are left to forecast what the effects might be in the same way that one might play a game when a kid without having been told all the rules. That is simply not right.


    • 11
      Anon says:

      Too many words mr wordy.


    • 19
      Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler says:

      In order to help keep inflation down surely it would make more sense to start marketing horse meat legally. And why not do the same with badger, pigeon, rabbits,etc? If it is good enough for chickens, pigs, sheep and cows why not other animals?


      • 28
        Catty Comment (Ms) says:

        But what would they find to contaminate it with next?


      • 64
        Food Watch says:

        That used to be known as game meats. Edible, but they are not commercially viable for several reasons.

        Note the remark on fox in the following:


        Eating roadkill is only vaguely acceptable as it is clear what has killed the animal. Picking up carrion like this though is hazardous as the meat may be bad, and it may not be clear if the animal had a disease which could affect humans.

        Rabies is becoming prevalent in the UK thanks to the channel tunnel and more European animals coming into the country, so it pays to be informed. There was a case in US recently of someone dying of that after eating wild squirrel.


        • 67

          There seems to me to be a similarity between the approaches to food and sexual love.

          It is certainly interesting to experience some variety but take that too far and something awful is likely to strike you down.


        • 108
          Your Friendly Neighbourhood Strange Diseases Information Service says:

          While obviously squirrels can be rabid, as can any other wild animal, it is another endemic disease amongst squirrels that those goobers in the States who eat small game and roadkill need to worry more about– the rodent equivalent of BSE (avoidable by not eating brains, a local delicacy):



          • Food Watch says:

            To be on the safe side it may be advisable also to avoid contamination with spinal fluid as well. That would be difficult with road kill cases, and would require careful methods of dispatch and preparation otherwise.

            People forget about vCJD, but nature hasn’t.

            4 confirmed deaths so far this year, from a disease which normally claims 1 in million. Last year: 94, 2011: 112

            The facts are here: http://www.cjd.ed.ac.uk/

            Has an incubation period 20 to 30 years. First noticed in cattle about 1986. The rates likely to remain elevated for at least another 15 years.


    • 53
      Casual Observer says:

      It’s capitalism @CRMM, but not as we are used to it.

      Welcome to the planned economy: Scourge of the old USSR, true nature of the ECB and destined for a rather nasty failure.

      A central bank is meant to: Manage states currency, interest rates, manage the money supply and oversee its commercial banks. They should also be lender of last resort.

      Translated: Issue currency, set interest rates and implement monetary policy, control the rate of change of inflation, regulate the commercial banks. If anyone bails out commercial banks with loans, it should be central bank not the public purse.

      The only price setting a central bank should be involved with is setting the price of money. Interest rates are used to manage national debt obligations and the amount of money flowing in the economy. Interest rates are the primary tool for controlling inflation in the economy. Managing the currency influences foreign exchange rate and the rate at which inflation can change.

      You are quite right on the stealth inflation, but it isn’t just inflation.

      As the money supply has declined, the real economy is in a state of monetary deflation at present. As the currency is devaluing faster than the deflation inflationary forces are being felt. The GDP Deflator is the best measure of overall inflation, about 2.3%, but those figures can no longer be trusted. Real inflation is running at 7 to 10%: Just look at how the prices you pay compare to 1 year ago to figure out what your price inflation rate is. Ignore government figures: They are not accurate.

      The new tools which will be brought in will be direct price controls.

      Controlling price is performed through subsidy in the EU at present for farm produce: CAP / CFP etc. are the administrative organs broadly responsible.

      The ECB is involved in this: The main objective is to control price inflation.

      Direct intervention this way distorts the real economy quite badly leading over the long term to a dis-functional system. The break down in EU food chain is one symptom of this.

      This is quite a bad development and is to be expected as a response to try and support the failing political construct that is the EU. Allowing the free market forces to take over, capitalism will ensure that the under performing are purged from the system and new better actors enter to replace.

      Because the political and economic spheres have become tangled through joint shared corporate interest, the attempt to keep the current system going is being made. The entanglement will make legitimate bankruptcies look like political failure, and also affect the vested interests of certain sections of the political sphere.

      The EU influence here should not be ignored as the ongoing attempt to forge union by ensuring key aspects of the economic system are intertwined throughout member state economies is also being artificially supported.

      The folly of this can be seen in the food chain problem at present. How many countries does it take to make a burger ?

      The screwing up of energy policy in the UK with a cable being constructed to force the UK into dependence on French nuclear energy when the windmills are not turning is another.

      None of this is irreversible, but the sooner the obvious inefficiencies in the economy are straightened out, the better.


      • 258

        This has obviously been in the bin which is a shame. Just spotted it when looking back.

        Briefly then, agree with content. Would add that, whatever the EU have mismanaged, there is an extra dimension that the UK has added as a result of Brown’s lack of understanding and the inability for the right to form a government. Sorry, that is crude but broadly true.


    • 74
      Anonymous says:

      On the contrary, it is the function of Finance Ministers to ‘manage the economy’. Central bankers should manage the money supply and supervise commercial banks. They struggle to do that with as much as 10% success, so nobody should think they can manage an economy.

      Of course, the economy can’t actually be managed, so Finance Ministers’ first and most essential task is to manage the government’s own finances competently, something which eludes them. If they could master that basic task, they could move on to fostering the conditions for economic growth.


      • 92

        I do not disagree with a lot of what you are saying.

        However, a single objective of inflation management using one lever was how Gordon Brown set up the system. That it did not work is like saying the Titanic suffered a slight malfunction.

        One can see how finance ministers might like this new approach for the very reasons you state. Their efforts to limit the damage, as they see it, have had such disastrous consequences that someone else stepping up to the plate must come as welcome relief.


        • 111
          Casual Observer says:

          I think they are talking about micro level price controls. Bad idea as history will testify.

          The day someone can explain how keeping inflation low coincides with ultra low interest rate policy will be that on which hell freezes.

          Central banks should implement monetary policy which is set by government finance department. Brown attempted to depoliticize that in part to stimulate a boom in house prices which was being used to fund his spending binge.

          Here is how the E.C.B. attempted to do it: Funny to watch now considering what has happened since it was made:

          (Not so funny if you are now setting yourself on fire outside French government buildings)


  8. 16
    Dave"The One Term Prime Minister" Cameron says:

    Samantha is a very accomplished after-dinner speaker.

    And before dinner. And during dinner.

    I really wish she’d just shut the fuck up.


  9. 22
    Owin Jones says:

    Michael Gove is an obnoxious little shit.

    ‘Dump f***ing everyone’: the inside story of how Gove’s vicious attack dogs are terrorising DfE http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education


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    • 29
      Ancient seafarer says:

      Bit, in the words that Mr Balls and Co should have uttered “Too late and too slow”.


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        Ancient seafarer says:



        • 35
          The real Conservatives are coming to reclaim their party says:


          • Blowing Whistles says:

            There are in the modern world NO – NO-GO AREAS. Miscarriages of justice will be corrected however painful it may be for those who always seem to become incandescant with fulminating rage when a certain subject matter is raised.

            How come the incandescent ragers and smearmongerers – don’t want to have a calm and civil discussion – out in the open with all the cards [evidence] on the table?

            It is THEIR “REACTION” every time that is their undoing.


          • Not Blowing Whistles says:

            The most powerful emotion a government can control in its people with any reliability is fear.

            This is why fear mongers exist: Like fish mongers sell fish, fear mongers sell fear. People are unwitting buyers coerced through a license fee and taxation.

            Following the radical principals of Alinsky prevents the calm and rational discussion from occurring. Fear itself is not rational, so if your industry depends on selling that then irrational is the only way forward: The keystone for a common purpose.

            You are correct that the reaction is their undoing. As people see through the propaganda barrage and figure this out, debate will once again return to its senses.

            The government funding of NGOs, charities engaging in overt political activities in contravention of their charter and the cottage industry of special interest activism groups are organs of the left which need to have their funding cut. They represent collectivist agendas which are false projections of aspects of public opinion.

            The proper debate can continue without so many distractions once this is achieved, but this is no reason to halt or abandon the debate in the meantime.


          • Blowing Whistles says:

            Nice to note the usual trolls and mos(t )sad.o. put up jobs are silent FOR ONCE about calling me an anti-semi… – JFHC has it started to register in many of yeur little easily misled brains about how you have been fooled like the biggest idiots FOR MOST OF YOUR LIVES?


          • oooer... says:

            we’ve given up telling you anything bubbles


    • 34
      MIKE OCKITCH says:

      When ? and can’t come soon enough
      there is a shit load of damage to repair before 2015 starting with sacking that wanker Osborne


    • 36
      Residing in 96.99% white Merseyside says:

      Like Tim Yeo?


    • 52
      T'Old Fella says:

      Ok, but who would you put in his place, who would be acceptable to the electorate for it is they who bring a political party into power, it is not what you right wingers personally would like, remember the likely lads who led the Cons between 1997 & 2010, Cammers love him or loathe him (as a lot on this blog seem to do) he is the acceptable face of the Tories but he is wearing very thin. Gove, Boris, Davis have all been mentioned here, but would they be acceptable to the electorate, each in turn have their drawbacks.


    • 65
      Casual Observer says:

      Step One.
      Vote UKIP at Eastleigh.
      Give all those lobby fodder backbench Tory M.P.s with low majorities the shits.
      Make them realise that dumping Dave is essential if they want any chance at all of keeping their snouts in the trough after 2015.


      • 77
        The real Conservatives are coming to reclaim their party says:

        Sounds like a plan.


      • 102
        Con Artists says:

        Step two

        Vote UKIP at each and every opportunity.

        We’re a long long way from mending the sick patient and ridding his body of viruses. Who knows, the patient may even be beyond saving and corpse may have to be buried before being reborn.


      • 182
        Eddie Boys Bandwagon Tour leaks dept says:

        say hello labour … tring job done


  11. 31
    Owin Jones says:

    Can we just pause for a second in the Eastleigh by-election to note that there is no B&P candidate. That is already a victory.


  12. 37
    Alan Rusbridger, insistent pianist says:

    Today I will be mostly playing Love Me I’m A Liberal by Phil Ochs.


  13. 41
    MIKE OCKITCH says:

    It’s not all bad news
    A bit of good news from Long Lartin prison yesterday


    I would give these two MBE’s


    • 238
      CarryHole is a stupendous Hunt says:

      I don’t for a moment believe the Mrs was any less involved.

      It’s (almost) always a wicked couple behind child murderers..


      • 241
        Point of Information says:

        The convictions only show that she perhaps did not pre-meditate.

        She may have orchestrated what happened, but that would be impossible to prove without close eyewitness. Women can be odd like that sometimes.

        In a socialist environment the only concern here is that state property, the child, has been destroyed.


  14. 47
    Pile driver says:

    The cream bought from the pharmacist worked a treat. No problem with asteroids this morning.

    The Tesco-bought lasagne was meteorite. Life is good.


  15. 59
    proof needed of benefit says:

    Statins’ make you feel queasy….nhs con.


  16. 60
    MIKE OCKITCH says:

    This tosser who went missing in Australia , IMO was a set up
    he was only 4 miles from home when found on the ranch where he worked ? he was wearing a white tee shirt yet planes flew over hm 4 times before spotting him
    He thinks there is money to be made from papers daft enough to fall for it
    or maybe a book or film deal


    • 69
      Screwed Taxpayer says:

      Why waste taxpayers’ money rescuing silly cnuts that go running in Oz or walking in the Cairngorms in risky conditions. They can do whatever they like, but must take the consequences.

      Evolution needs to reduce stupidity genes.


    • 85
      B/S Watch says:

      He must have had a lot of contact lens fluid in his rucksack to survive that long.

      Contact lens fluid is essentially a sterile hyper tonic : May have tipped the odds slightly in his favor.

      Checking Google map: There are a couple of major roads and rivers (dry though) in the area, and the terrain seems to be flat with tree cover. In the heat he could have got disoriented, a first sign of dehydration. Going out for a run in 37C is retarded.

      One wonders if he took some actual water with him.

      He came close to being a contender for a Darwin award. His risk of developing skin cancer is for sure way up now.


  17. 61
    EU Watch says:

    Simple question: How many countries does it take to make a burger ?

    Assuming that the country has an industrial base and can cattle farms, the answer should be one.

    Appears the EU requires about 6.

    That is not efficient, unsustainable and is broadly responsible for the contamination of UK food stuffs.

    And that costs about GBP 50m / day.

    Value for money ?


    • 66
      The criminally insane EU says:

      WHO cares ? We can always steal a shitload more of your dosh.


    • 68
      rebekah aka nellnewman says:

      Well the EU is now responsible for food safety as bliar and brown signed it over to them years ago . Done a grand job haven’t they? And when the truth comes out I bet we find EU food safety officers have been turning a blind eye to the use of horsemeat for beef in exchange for contributions to their bank accounts and for a lot longer than 6 months!!


      • 81

        nell! What an awful thing to say!

        Those goodly people, living off a pittance, spending their every waking minute in diligent pursuit of safeguarding our health. And they have not let a single scam go undetected, have they?


        • 87
          rebekah aka nellnewman says:

          I bet it’s been going on for years – started small , and just grew and grew over the years as they realised they could get away with it under EU lack of scrutiny. I bet the EU officers have made a fair bit of money out of turning a blind eye.

          I note cameron has not any asked questions as to why the Eu food safety folks weren’t doing their jobs properly, I wonder why that is?


        • 90
          EU Watch says:

          I get the irony, but with the huge subsidies and nature of the folk involved, not to mention the blatant example of corruption you see at the top, the blind eye was probably obscured all the more by stuffed brown envelopes.

          Shouldn’t be overlooked that in certain countries there has been no problem with contamination. Odd that: They are either lying, or were in on it.


          • Does the general level of corruption remain, in broad terms, a constant and it is simply our perception of it that changes due to:

            1.) better communications (such as here on this blog) and/or

            2.) the scales falling from our eyes as we get older and wiser?

            No way of answering this, I imagine.


          • rebekah aka nellnewman says:

            Corruption is opportunistic and grows wherever there’s a chance at easy money. And there’s no better place for that than the EU with all that unaccounted money and undemocratic power washing about.

            The next big scandal to hit the EU, when it’s buried this horsemeat one, will be mep’s and their unwarranted expenses. It’ll make the westminster mp’s scandal look trivial by comparison.


          • EU Watch says:

            Perception does change, but the level of corruption has measurably gone up. Look at the EU budget.

            Public sector money with little enforcement and increased opportunity encourages corruption and allows it to expand with effective state sanction.

            Think about what really took the Soviet economy down.

            There is a solution: See Hayek, Mises, etc. for the solution.

            Small government which plays only a supervisory role in enforcing the law is what is required. When the system becomes complex with increased state intervention the opportunities for fraud increase and the system is corrupted. Organized criminals are well aware of this.

            Consider this question: Why did a train carrying biofuel cross the border 24 times without unloading ?


            Example from the US, but this goes on in the EU as well.

            The point is that increased complication opens up more holes for corruption, and leads to actors in the economy following perverse courses of action in order to make money once those courses are economically beneficial to them.

            Understanding that helps one to understand some of the more fundamental problems with the EU at present which is why even the pro-Federalists are now realizing that the current status quo is stalled and needs to be reset.


          • Clarence the Crosseyed Lion says:

            Cameron said he was going to repatriate powers to the UK.
            He could start with this one.
            Will he?



          • Blowing Whistles says:

            You could of course think of these ongoing money scams as 5 year plans 0r better still 10 year or 15 year plans – now remind me when their accounts were last audited and if the huge US administration has even noticed the lack of accounts / accountability?


          • Pete says:

            What aluminium tariffs? No idea what you are on about. Straight as a dye me. Anyone got any spare seasickness pills? I need some for the yacht on Tuesday.


          • @EU Watch

            I saw this just before I went off to lunch. Having speed-read it, I recounted the highlights to all present. No one had seen this particular story before, yet no one was in the slightest surprised although all agreed it was symptomatic of our times.

            So first, I have to thank you for a good story that illustrates so forcibly how things can go wrong. I shall use this example again. It’s very utility may lie in the fact that it is not and EU story as there are those who will hear no wrong said against the EU. The power lies in the fact that one may point out, as you did, that it happens in the EU as well. The guard is down, the disapproval is registered. Then you hit with the obvious parallel.

            Your earlier point about Hayek, Mises et al is well made. The later was accused of being rigid and uncompromising. In some aspects of life, those qualities can be admirable.


          • EU Watch says:

            Definitely do use that. This was directly abuse of a tax loophole tied to lowering of trade barriers and providing incentives for cross border trades.

            There are plenty of examples of similar, nigh identical in principal, scams going on in the EU day to day. Tax avoidance by domiciling in Luxembourg being allowed under EU rules is a vivid example, however obscure in that the details are abstract. The carbon scam is another fine example, however abstract.


            That capital is seriously mis-allocated in the perpetuation of such scams means that these are not victim-less actions.


          • I fear that my lunch may have been rather too good when I see the numerous errors, particularly in my second paragraph but I thank you for having the patience to get there.

            The Mafia only moves in on industries that have no need to create anything of value Says it all.


          • EU Watch says:

            @CRMM: Glad you had a good lunch. No worries on the errors in your copy. Speed-read myself so only ask if there is a mis-placed negative, or the text is totally incomprehensible. (Above was fine)

            Different issue, but have you noticed just how many typo’s, cut ‘n’ paste / outright grammar errors have been creeping in to the D.M and T’Graph lately ? They’re almost as bad as the Indy / Grauniad these days. Thankfully the value of the actual content has not declined in D.M / T’Graph though.


          • Yes I have noticed this.

            As I come from some way before the Shirley Williams divide, I am hugely critical of such mistakes. It grieves me when I make them myself.

            One is inclined to wonder does this person not know through bad teaching, have they forgotten or, like my misuse of the apostrophe, did they not check.

            My love of the Sherlock Holmes stories in my youth conditioned me early on in drawing more inference than would appear on face value. Some mistakes are miskeying but others show a lack of basic understanding of our wonderful language.

            To convey meaning is clearly the fundamental purpose. The way in which it is done all to often detracts from this IMHO.


          • EU Watch says:

            @CRMM: Better to be accurate. Possessive apostrophes are a bugbear of many these days. Not sure why. Viciously split infinitives also litter the lexicon.

            But, those are the least of the troubles.

            Always good to refresh the mind:


            And look up Hannan’s ‘George Orwell’s EU’ T’Graph Blog entries.


          • I love this piece but have not seen it for some years now. This also:

            vi. Break any of these rules sooner than say anything barbarous.

            The genius of the man! It highlights one of my pet interests, the problem of self-referentialism and the nature of contradictability. These form such a rich pattern throughout our history that I am surprised that not more intellectuals have used it as the basis of a theory rather than a problem encountered in doing something else. Hegel made much of the second area but his style was awful. To most he is unreadable. Understandably so.

            Don’t run away with the idea I am a Hegelian, I am not! I am a Russellian who has turned the page back to R G Collingwood and his predecessors who are, collectively, making a steady return to serious study.

            BTW. Do you have a window into my mind? The Laski extract referred to Shelley. I am having a mental tussle with myself over Mary Wollstonecraft at the moment. It is the beauty of her thought and writing as compared with her short life and the fact that it almost stood in contradiction to her writings. Any thoughts?


          • @BW

            Oh damn! You have seen right through me. That is a nuisance as I will only make £4bn profit on that deal instead of the intended £5bn. I shall have to delay that new yacht for a few months now, curse you.


    • 119
      albacore says:

      Would you join a club so blatantly bent
      With all the kings’ ransoms it’s grabbed and spent
      That not one auditor, not even crooks
      Will ever certify its fiddled books?


  18. 63
    Jon says:

    Don’t fret Krishnan I’ll have sobered up by the time we go on air.


  19. 71
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    Have been reading about parliament in 1830 one passage reads ‘the system was rotten , government pensions for life, sinecures, honours, contracts, appointments, positions for relatives and friends. Jobs and money for the boys at every level’

    Not much has changed then in nearly 200 years.


    • 100
      Tay King-dePisse says:

      But at least we are spared the spectacle of a mentally-fragile (and later, senile) King, followed by his dissolute late-middle-aged son and Regent, instead, having a stolid ancient Old Bat, and her retarded soon-to-be-elderly-himself son to look forward to for a few years, till the young handsome fella takes over.

      Thank Heavens for small mercies.


    • 109
      Will Dave have the balls to shut the NHS Deathcamps? says:

      When Parliament burned down in October 1834, crowds of delighted people (painted by J M W Turner) stood on the south bank of the Thames and cheered.

      Never mind Londoners, if Parliament burned down today, people throughout Britain (if not the whole world) would be cheering. Especially if the MPs and Lords were inside the burning building at the time.


      • 155
        The Original Guy Fawkes says:

        October 1834.
        Better late than never.
        Though it had been much better were anyone inside.


  20. 72
    universally challenged says:

    q. How can you be a pensioner in April and not in October in the UK in 2013???

    a. ask this diabolical government who’s rules for housing benefit and universal credit treat pensioners differently with the introduction of the vile ‘bedroom tax’

    ethnic cleansing rules okay, hey cameron, you fucking bastard


    • 84
      Sir William Wade says:

      Nobody should have the right to have a spare bedroom subsidised by the rest of us.


      • 88
        rebekah aka nellnewman says:

        Quite right Sir William! 13 years of labour created a new underclass of people who believe they are entitled to a cushy lifestyle without ever having to lift a finger to work.


      • 172
        Curly says:

        So how much extra is your castle going to cost you Bill?


    • 94
      Point of information says:

      There is no ‘bedroom tax’.

      There was a welfare transfer which paid part of the council tax to people who could no longer afford it. That council tax was increased after Labour reduced central government funding to local authorities.

      Council Tax is calculated on a band structure which loosely correlates to number of bedrooms. There are no changes being suggested to that, except for the mansion tax which is back on Balls and Lib Dem agenda.

      The definition of ‘mansion’ will likely be tied to number of rooms in a property, as tying to price is politically sensitive. That will force reassessment of council tax for all properties. Council tax is based on property value. Whilst prices are still inflated this will push the majority up a band and increase their council tax significantly. This would be of benefit to allow housing prices to get to where they should be, but as many now think their home is their nest egg, you can see where the problem lays.

      Mansion tax will likely be the Bedroom tax.

      The propaganda front running is interesting this time round, but not helping debate.


      • 96
        Point of information says:

        Forgot to mention that Labour’s cutting of central government funding to local authorities caused council tax to go up. Housing market and people in Labour wards were not affected as the welfare transfer to cover was put in place.

        Undoing that bad Labour policy is what is happening now. Transferring funding of local services to the benefits system to cover central government cuts is a bad idea: A false economy was created which many people perceive as normal. Reversion to reality will be painful for some.

        Simple solutions: Allow house prices to go down to where they should be, and have local authorities reduce spending by 10% as they should have done when central government funding was cut initially.


  21. 73
    your average plebby taxpayer says:

    Would someone please explain to me what happened to the Chilcot Report. Also why no bankers are in jail. Also why no-one has resigned over the NHS killing patients. Also why no-one has been charged with criminal negligence in the NHS. Also why we are giving vast amounts of Aid to countries so that their leaders can buy Mercedes cars. Also why we are messing about in sub-Sahara region of Africa. Also why don’t the contents of a packet of food match what it says on the packet. Also why politicians are generally fraudulent with their opinions and their expenses. Also why Mr Leveson wants to deprive us of the right to free speech. Also….Oh God, I just give up


  22. 83
    Go get m Rupes says:


  23. 95
    Liar Liar Pants on Fire says:

    Why won’t politicians tell the truth?

    Probably because the lefties (and Dave) gang up on anyone who does tell the truth.

    The National socialist party was socialist. FACT
    Homosexuals can not conceive and are not biologically able to. FACT

    Then last night the energy minister on any questions said that 50% of our electricity comes from coal. FACT. But then the twat went on to say that this is because we need a mix of energy sources and renewables is part of that. LIE. Renewables are extremely expensive and at best can provide a fraction of our leccy, while coal is cheap and can easily meet all our generating needs and what is more coal generation only produces less than 75% of CO2 than it did 20 years ago. So why didn’t the energy minister tell the truth?

    Then all the panel said what a great organisation the NHS was….Lies Lies Lies.


    • 98
      Casual Observer says:

      Energy Minister + Truth. Remember Chris Huhne. Enough said.


      • 143
        Blowing Whistles says:

        B&Q near to Southwark were having a promotion today – they were selling new improved whitewash – The Tony-Blair “whiter than white / cleaner than clean” version. Problem is some judge sped in earlier and scooped up the 200 tins on sale.


    • 103
      Will Dave have the balls to shut the NHS Deathcamps? says:

      I feel I have to make a small correction to what you wrote.

      Anyone who says the NHS is a “great administration” is not, strictly speaking, a liar. They are batshit insane.


    • 106
      teddy the cat says:

      QT is a waste of time. I have no idea why people watch it. Much better to curl up on the sofa and have a snooze.


    • 120
      where the blind lead says:

      Aaah but a homosexual man and a homosexual woman CAN conceive and have children, they live together and have their own affairs on the side and nobody is the wiser. Its been a common arrangement for centuries, Hague, that disgusting pervo in the libdems is one and possibly Cameron and Brown all with beards and kids. Its the old fashioned way of being gay and having a family.


  24. 105
    Anonymous says:


  25. 114
    anon. says:

    Policy on the hoof. ;-)


  26. 122
    P l e b says:

    “Chancellor George Osborne has renewed his call for international action to tackle so-called “profit shifting” by multinational companies to avoid tax.”

    And how many British Protectorate tax havens will he close down?

    The man is an idiot.


    • 154
      Sir William Wade says:

      The solution woud be to tax multinational corporations as such, with a single, international tax return and the profits divided between different countries according to levels of economic activity in each. The present system is based on the fiction that such multinationals are loose associations of independent companies and therefore works badly.


  27. 128
    Owin Jones says:

    An interview I did a while back with Luke Cooper about austerity, class, capitalism and all that shit… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipj-3DmGj_Q


  28. 129
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    The most ridiculous and embarrassing occurrence this week was the Ed Balls / Andrew Neil interview on the Daily Politics.
    Balls is incompetent and a liar. Long may he remain labour’s shadow chancellor


    • 183
      Your friendly local bent printer's assistant working in the back room says:

      We’ve almost completed the latest run of postal vote forms so can you confirm where you’d like them delivered please?


  29. 131
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    The most vile person of the week is labour’s Andy Burnham. Resign you scumbag.


    • 145
      Blowing Whistles says:

      But he has Michael Dugher in the background there somewhere – pulling all the commie marxist strings.


  30. 132
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    The MP most trying to make a name for themselves this week is labour’s Mary Creagh.
    Creagh, your are not a scientist, and you have little experience in anything. Stop trying to score political points, and just shut the f**k up.


  31. 134
    Asteroid 2012 DA14 says:

    See you again planet earth. Try and sort out all of your crap before I return, otherwise.


  32. 142
    Ah! Monika 2013 +1 says:

    No such thing as the Bedroom Tax.

    But a window tax; now there’s novel idea. It’s daylight robbery.


  33. 146
    Ah! Monika 2013 +1 says:


    Dalai Lama ‏@DalaiLama
    Cultivating a close, warm-hearted feeling for others automatically puts the mind at ease.

    We have a tear-off calender with better than this ( and his others ).

    When I have time I will research his source (s).


  34. 148
    Plea for today. says:

    Your Honor,

    I had a troubled childhood.

    I wasn’t r4ped, hit or bullied. I grew up believing it was my fault.


  35. 153
    Revolution Light says:

    This from Germany reminds me of angle-grinder man, a guy who used to go cutting down gatzo’s years back in the UK:

    Note: A bright Infra Red light (use high intensity IR led) is worth carrying in order to ensure that the CCD cannot ‘see’ anything. That trick is commonly used to defeat cameras and works against most. (Look at your remote through your iPhone in Camera mode to see how it works)

    Apparently been a lot of this going on in the US recently.


  36. 157
    P l e b says:

    So we are to have a bedroom tax, but not a mansion tax?

    The Tories should be hung from lamp-posts….


    • 160
      Mong Watch says:

      There is no bedroom tax at present.

      Mansion Tax, if introduced, will be bedroom tax.


      • 174
        P l e b says:

        There was no such thing as the ‘Poll Tax’ but it sunk Margaret Thatcher.


        • 188
          Mong Watch says:

          The community charge, aka Poll Tax, was real and the incompetency surrounding its attempted introduction begat that it was not serious.

          More a rabble rousing distraction.

          Community charge based on notional rental value of a home and not per capita became council tax, which through the banding structure has always had a loose correlation to the number of rooms in a home.

          That did not sink Thatcher though. It was coincidental.

          Europe is what brought Thatcher down:


          Her total denial of Delore’s proposals at the Rome conference did her in, but paradoxically saved the country from some of the horror which is now being played out, give or take the odd horse burger.

          The resignation letter from Howe is now available online as well. That is quite revealing.

          Unlike ‘bedroom tax’, community charge / poll tax was real and a tax. ‘Bedroom tax’ is a welfare transfer being undone, not a new tax being introduced.

          Like Thatcher though, Europe is likely to take Cameron out early.

          To avoid the re-assessments which would cause unrest required for re-banding of properties under Mansion tax, Mansion tax will likely be determined based on aspects of homes such as number of bedrooms.

          Mansion tax as being sold by Labour is Bedroom Tax.

          Bedroom tax as sold by Labour is a welfare transfer.


          • P l e b says:

            MW – I defer to your recollection of the dead sheep.


          • Mong Watch says:

            @P l e b: No problem.

            Here is the letter from Howe from the 1st Nov and Thatcher’s response:


            This was shortly after Rome, and before Howe’s final coup de grace in the Common’s on 13th November 1990.

            The by-election losses on the 9th (actually the 8th: Bootle / Bradford North) were not losses: Labour just held.

            Suspect that at this time, and definitely after Major won the leadership challenge, the Grauniad spin operation which was to take out Hamilton, get Bell in and ultimately assist the Blair 1997 landslide was fully operational.

            Check out the guardianlies dot com for full detail.

            Do not read anything personal into this moniker: It is directed more towards lefty and pro-euro revisionists who seek to spin some facts surrounding a very important time in UK political history.

            History rhymes, as evidenced by ‘Bedroom Tax’ spin.


    • 169
      Thick as a Planck says:

      If only plebs paid taxes…


  37. 165
    Thick as a Planck says:

    “Russian meteor hit atmosphere with force of 30 Hiroshima bombs”

    Can somebody please translate that into London Buses or Olympic-sized swimming pools


  38. 166
    Jorge Perez Gonzalez says:

    How many times do I spank the cymbal?


  39. 175
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    Ed Miliband has just been on BBC News 24, saying that the government has acted too slowly over the horse meat issue. Miliband is a political point scoring scumbag.
    Miliband should talk, no policies after over two years as labour leader. Too slow Miliband, too slow. You have nothing to offer, nothing at all. One of your own farts would be more use.


    • 199
      Casual Observer says:

      UK Government has not been responsible for monitoring food since 2002 when Blair signed us up to: Regulation (EC) No 178/2002


      This is a European problem and a very strong argument for reclaiming these powers from Europe so as government can provide some protection to the people of the UK.

      Not having control over food safety is a fundamental failure of government.

      Signing that right away in the first place is a treasonous act.


      • 203
        Herman van Rumpboy says:

        WE control you now, thanks to the Libor ‘government’.


      • 206
        P l e b says:

        Cameron stated he was going to repatriate powers to the UK.
        He should start with this one.

        Will he?


        And if it was so important, he’s had 2¾ years to do it.


        • 212
          Casual Observer says:

          It’s more that he cannot do that without breaking treaty.

          Breaking treaty is not that big a deal, unless one believes it to be.

          Cameron is not prepared to do this though as he is under the impression that Europe is his future source of income.

          This is why he needs to be removed from power, and why people should seriously vote UKIP.

          Immediately though: Ceasing purchase of any and all meat / processed foods containing meat from non trusted sources is the only action that a responsible consumer can take.

          Any message of reassurance that the UK government sends on this issue is a lie as they have no power whatsoever about fixing the problem at present.


    • 219
      rebekah aka nellnewman says:

      militwit must know that bliar signed away our right to control food safety , giving it to the EU . If he doesn’t know that then he is utterly incompetent and not fit to be leader of the opposition – if he does know that then he has just shown himself to be a liar and again is not fit to be leader of the opposition.


  40. 189
    EU Funded Pro-EU Troll says:

    Vote UKIP.


  41. 204
    Calamity Clegg says:

    Us ? Two-faced ?? Is the P0pe a quitter ???


    • 213
      (I don't need no doctor) says:

      Ed Miliband urged to come clean ahead of the Eastleigh byelection.
      Miliband must answer the following :-
      Are you a millionaire?
      How did you afford your 1.8 million pound mansion?
      Where did all of your family money come from?
      Can Miliband prove he is a “one nation” person?
      Can Miliband give an indication when he will come up witha policy?
      So many question that Miliband needs to answer. Oh and by the way I, as a voter, ask the questions.


      • 217
        rebekah aka nellnewman says:

        I don’t think militwit knows what he meant by ‘One Nation’ it was just a handy tag that he thought would make him sound good.

        It has about as much traction with the public as cameron’s Big Society and will be forgotten just as quickly.


        • 220
          The Human Milipede says:

          Handy Tag: Whatever happened to taglines ?

          He definitely speaks in badly pronounced sound bites does Ed.


        • 234
          Your Friendly Neighbourhood Tag Lines Etymology Service says:

          It’s probably ultimately rooted in what he used to recite before class everyday when he lived in the United States as a child: “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: One Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

          He kinda doesn’t care all that much for the “Under God” part personally, you’d have to figure, and that phrase can have a strange ring in a country with an official church but a populace in which the most religious are foreigners of one particular ilk; but that bit about “Liberty and Justice for all” sounds pretty jazzy, and you know he’s got to be working on how to present the “Indivisible” part without p.o.’ing some Scots and Welsh too much, not to mention the religious minorities already none too happy about his lack of enthusiasm for “Under God.”


          • Tay King-dePisse says:

            Well, there’s that– or there’s “One Nation, One People, One Leader”.
            Popularised by a socialist party in Germany some years back.


  42. 221
    EU Watch says:

    Would we be surprised if it turns out that DEFRA is now a toothless entity like Food Standards Agency, and that UK Government is no longer responsible for managing waterways and drainage in the UK ?

    If the flooding last year can be tied to another failed EU institution that would not surprise myself.

    There are economic issues here surrounding agreements with Flood Re.

    This should not be allowed to drift of the radar screen of shame.


  43. 222
    Spokesperson for Eastleigh Tories says:

    Sounds as if we are gonna get a severe slapping!!


  44. 224
    Owin Jones says:

    A couple of Tory Cabinet Ministers are here to talk to me about complex policy issues. Apparently I am AGAINST horsemeat in school dinners.


  45. 228
    Elsie Beattie (83 and a quarter) says:

    In his defence, dear, Mr. Pistorius should claim that, after a lifetime of exploding into action with a bang, he could only “perform” at his very best to the sound of a gunshot.


  46. 231
    John O'Farrell says:

    My publishers tell me ThingsCanOnlyGetBetter is being reprinted. Probably all the right wing political bloggers buying it to see what dirt they can get on me.


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