February 11th, 2013

Tory Death Tax
RIP: “The Most Basic Human Instinct of All”

Here is what the then Shadow Chancellor told the Tory party conference autumn 2007; George Osborne’s views on inheritance tax in his own words:

“Thanks to Gordon Brown, this unfair tax falls increasingly on the aspirations of ordinary people. These are people who have worked all their lives. People who have saved money all their lives. People who have already paid taxes once on their income. People whose only crime in the eyes of the taxman is that instead of spending their savings on themselves, they want to pass something on to their families. People who feel the most basic human instinct of all: they aspire to a better life for their children and their grandchildren.”

For the Tories of 2007 “the most basic human instinct of all” was providing for one’s children, reflected in a pledge to increase the inheritance tax threshold to £1 million. Their poll rating leapt up seven points on the announcement. Today, rather than cut spending to pay for social care reform, the government has announced that the inheritance tax limit will be frozen at £325,000 until at least 2019. A death tax on middle-class property-owners that will cost traditional Tory voters tens of thousands of pounds when they die. What a R.I.P Off…


  1. 1
    Nothing Better To Do says:

    Another rip off you mean. We are just tax cattle to serve our master – The State. Steal when we’re working, steal when we die, even steal from our unborn kids with debt. People are so brainwashed they actually think it’s a good thing.

  2. 2
    Paniagua says:

    Burnhams scythe may come in handy.

  3. 3
    Vote Donkey says:

    The government are liars. Who knew?

  4. 4
    Dave the Loon says:

    Tell you what great wheeze that will really lose the next election, the inheritance tax, we will really screw over the middle class my core vote

  5. 5
    himindoors says:

    Just more proof that the Conservative party have no idea where they are getting their votes from in 2015.

  6. 6
    WoRaft says:

    It’s like a timeslip. I wake up, it feels like 1993 and I can see everything they are doing wrong but will they won’t listen.

  7. 7
    Tin Can Cam, kicking it down the road again. says:

    On this you have my cast iron….

    Oh what the heck, you all know the rest by now.

  8. 8
    Ex-Conservative voter says:

    “People who have already paid taxes once on their income.”

    Well that just goes to show how little Osborne knows.

    Income tax + National Insurance tax = taxed twice. On exactly the same gross income.

    .. and then we get onto all the property taxes, paid with previously double-taxed income.

  9. 9
    towerofbabble says:

    Nothing is certain but dishonest politicians and taxes

  10. 10
    Finduss Keepers says:

    Food minister says he cannot stop ‘beef’ imports from EU ….. he could if we left the EU now couldn’t he.

  11. 11
    Vote Donkey says:

    They won’t be getting any votes.

  12. 12
    WoRaft says:

    Whoops: “still they won’t listen”.

  13. 13
    Anonymous says:

    this Tory government is toast. They are breaking every promise they ever made. In 2017 it’ll be “referendum? What referendum?” I’ve voted Conservative all my life (now in my 60s) but this current bunch of idiots have made sure I will not do so again.

  14. 14
    Dave says:

    What can I do? I know he’s useless, but if I get rid of him they’ll want my head next. And that would mean I’d need to work for a living instead of preening around Africa promising our troops to any dictator who wants them….

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    not that Northern Ireland's MP would notice... says:

    So, the inheritance tax limit with be frozen to cap the care bills of those in England…yet, it’ll be frozen in Northern Ireland too, with no similar care bill restriction introduced.
    Something wrong there, Mr Osborne….

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    missing the point really. says:

    the state can’t afford to pay for the true cost of older peoples care, if the govt proposed to do so right wingers would go even more mental.

    what you should be angry about is the govt is paying for care costs only and NOT for the ‘hotel costs’. given the increase in private equity ownership of care home businesses and the fact that the percentage of care home fees being actually spent on care is decreasing – while the amount spent refinancing expensive loans and heading offshore has increased – this means that Guido’s readers will be paying more to fund the greed of a short term business model.

    that’s the real scandal, but its the ‘market’ so we mustn’t criticize. wot wot.

  17. 17
    Hand the Cat says:

    Should be intresting to see what the tories are polling in Eastleigh after this blunder.

  18. 18
    Hand the Cat says:

    Maybe the Millimonkey could give us some advice on Inheritance tax

  19. 19
    Mike Hunt says:

    ‘there’s no money left, good luck’

    And there is STILL no money left.

  20. 20
    One-term Dave, dragging the Tories to their grave, says:

    Yes, but every year I spend £11billion of that tax on Icelandic tourist information offices, African windfarms and Indian spaceships. And I know how jolly proud this makes you.

    Toodle pip!

  21. 21
    Findus Horse Lasagne says:

    Don’t be surprised if it turns out Cameron’s a Labour plant put in place to destroy the Tory party.

  22. 22
    Anonymous says:

    Apart from a minority of hard workers, the whole pubic sector are troughing, self-serving, rip-off merchant scum.

  23. 23
    The Political 'Elite' says:

    Can you plebs just fack orf.

    We are not subject to legitimate expectation, other than…

    1. completing our expense claims

    2. lining up a marvellous EU retirement job

    3. Trousering as much cash as possible

  24. 24
    Ex-Conservative voter says:

    I wonder what William “Britain is a sovereign nation” Hague has to say on this matter.

  25. 25
    Anonymous says:

    Remember: last outright Tory win in 1992. 21 years now.

    I doubt any of use will ever see a Tory win again.


  26. 26
    I say says:

    I suggest boEUf should be the new name for imported horsemeat from the EU

  27. 27
    Join the neighbours says:

    I might as well stay in bed

  28. 28
    where the blind lead says:

    No, it is you who seems to be missing the point. Slash foreign aid by half and eradicate the non job gravy train quango fraud and come out of the EU political union. Do that and we could afford to pay for the cost of care for the elderly. FFS the foreign aid fraud alone could provide 1st class care for our elderly.

  29. 29
    Vote Donkey says:

    Of course we can stop them. Inspect every consignment piece by piece, not allowing any in until every one has passed its inpsection and DNA test. If there is a queue all the way back to Romania and Poland, tough.

  30. 30
    Raver Reg says:

    wanker sthe lot of the

  31. 31
    Where are Tony Blair's expenses says:

    Don’t forget we English need to pay extra taxes so that the Scottish can have free care for the elderly and free tuition fees.

    The Scottish will never vote for independence as they are too used to spending English tax payers money.

    As for Cameron he will be gone when he loses in Eastleigh, has any Tory leader ever made so much effort to alienate the core vote.

    UKIP trending at 14% – he has no chance

  32. 32
    Anonymous says:

    Wikipedia, year 2100: ‘John Major, the last Conservative leader to win a General Election’.

  33. 33
    Paniagua says:

    Put a donkey jacket on Dave and he becomes as effective as Michael Foot was. Until then he is worse.

  34. 34
    Henry Ford says:

    How about a police investigation on behalf of the Mid Staffs 1200.A.B and the postman surely want to get to the truth.This must be the biggest loss of life by a public service ever.No wonder the horse meat story is being pushed even though there has beeN no loss of life.Write or email your MP.

  35. 35
    Anonymous says:

    There really is a determined effort by the Tories to completely flop in 2015. Is there no-one in the Tory ranks with half an ounce of common sense?

  36. 36
    Knocking on Devon´s Whore says:

    The very thought of inheritance tax has put me off dying for life.

  37. 37
    Vote Donkey says:

    No it won’t. I am no longer interested in a the fate of a bunch of half-wits.

  38. 38
    Vote Donkey says:

    So why is the government still giving it away to foreigners?

  39. 39
    WVM says:

    Taxes up.

    Spending up.

    Borrowing up.

    EU contributions up.

    DFID madness up.

    Vote Ukip – these bastards are as bad as New Labour

  40. 40
    The Third Way doesn't work either says:

    1. Emigrate
    2. Sell your property and buy one but not in your new country of residence, unless it has no capital or death tax. Border areas are ideal for this. You enjoy free travel as an EU citizen (one of the few advantages.)
    3. Buy a UK property in your name or better in a company name. Ireland is good. Gift shares increasingly to your kids, the cat’s home or whatever.
    4. If you must, you can still live in the UK (you pay rent to the owner) but not be subject to capital and death taxes – if you play your cards right. So you don’t even have to leave your local boozer for good.

  41. 41
    I hate politicians says:

    And then if you buy beer or petrol you get taxed twice more on it.

  42. 42
    the PBT says:

    think what problems you could have avoided if you hadn’t voted for property inflation

  43. 43
    Vincent van Gogh says:

    But they would not listen, they’re not listening still,
    Perhaps they never will…

  44. 44
    Vote Donkey says:

    Clearly not. Still, it is no loss to see the demise of a bunch of treasonous lunatics

  45. 45
    the PBT says:

    perhaps – but the accountant (today’s tax-farmer) will probably take control of your lolly

  46. 46
    pissed off voter says:

    Just wondering … if Cameron is actually an EU missionary; he seems to be doing everything he can to create division within his party which would let labour in and guarantee continued EU membership – and he has made clear many times that’s where he wants to be.

  47. 47
    Sandra in Accounts says:

    Cameron & Osbourne had no ambition or vision other than getting jobs they believed were theirs by birth right.

    That is why there is no direction, no belief, no values & no ethics.

    Vote UKIP – destroy Blue Labour.

  48. 48
    Ctesibius says:

    Taxes on income include not just Income Tax and ‘National Insurance’ but also Stamp Duties and Corporation Tax if the income is passed through a limited company like Tony Blair, David Milliband and Ken Livingstone do.

  49. 49
    One-term Dave, dragging the Tories to their grave, says:

    Stuff and nonsense, dear boy! I’m spending tens of billions of pounds every year on super-duper causes, such as Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal, I’m increasing immigration from the EU, doubling Britain’s debt (and when something’s doubled, it stands to reason it’s twice as good), I’m bulldozing the countryside and I’m legalising gay marriage, to the joy of all Conservative voters.

    With a record like that, how can my victory be anything other than certain?

    Tally ho!

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    where the blind lead says:

    If it isnt an EU diktat and order the Cameron regime is not interested, the social democrat regime has its work cut out just obeying their EU masters in all things and all ways to worry about what they promised at the last election. If it was an EU diktat to raise the threshold then it would have been done and dusted regardless of the cost. HS2 is an EU scheme and its going ahead regardless, the Gay marriage fiasco is a CoE/EU requirement so it is pushed through. Proof enough to realise that far from being a real government the current regime has become nothing more than a local council ruling the UK on behalf of their absent landlord(for now) foreign masters. Direct rule from Brussels is not some far off fear, it is here and now and happening right now

  51. 51
    Paniagua says:


    I’m joining them not just voting for them.

  52. 52
    Iv'e given up and stopped caring says:

    Maybe what’s left of the Conservatives party will drop the yellow spine problem and get rid of Camoron and Ossy within the next 6 months otherwise they may end up like the Libsh*tes hanging onto another party’s tailcoat until 2055.

  53. 53
    Mystic Meg says:

    Findus want to talk to you about your future donkey.

  54. 54
    Sandra in Accounts says:


    This has to be at least another 3% to UKIP.

    Robbing the dead – Osbourne really is felching his economic policies from McRuins arse now.

  55. 55
    an impartial observer says:

    But if they intend to cap care home costs at £75K, the money has to come from somewhere. You didn’t really think they were actually going to let you keep Granny’s house, did you?

  56. 56
    Fluffy Thoughts says:

    Look, son:

    As long as we English fund the pensions, senility and avarice of you’se feckin’ celtic Scots, Taffies and [IRA-sucking] bog-totters then what’s the problem? Just enjoy the feast (and fear when we – the people of England – arise and unleash our revenge) muppet.

    Oh, Guinness is pretty shyte now-a-days. Which muppet came up with “Cool” Stout? :twunts:

  57. 57
    ludicrous says:

    thats not permitted under EU law

  58. 58
    Paniagua says:

    I suggest you cryogenically refuse and get in the freezer immediately.

  59. 59
    ludicrous says:

    and the dodgy meat comes from the Republic of Ireland too, but oh no, we cant go offending the government in Dublin either because they are our best friends apparently .. even though they’d sink us in a spittle give the chance.

  60. 60
    Gawd Help Us says:

    Ssshhhh, Dave hasn’t worked that out yet.

  61. 61
    Britain the ruined country says:

    Don’t forget that those who have saved are paying for those who have p~~~ed everything away, including those 4 million who have never ever had a job in their lives and in care have everything paid.

  62. 62
    Iv'e given up and stopped caring says:

    When the braindead realise the political party they slavishly vote for come hail or high water, is really not there for them but is part of a cover up to make the politicians do nothing but ride the gravy train and let a foreign group of countries run Britain, without input from the voter, then until that day , we will all get walked over but when they find out the day after will turn the British into nasty angry fighting people.

  63. 63
    albacore says:

    That’s the idea, by gosh and by Jiminy
    Then you just post your letter up the chimney
    Your M P won’t read it but Santa Claus might
    And there’s more chance of Santa putting things right

  64. 64
    Where are Tony Blair's expenses says:

    Already e mailed my MP predictably no reply. He is a Tory in a very safe seat so will not rock the boat as he is looking for a ministerial position in the long term. Voted for gay marriage aswell – all to keep him in DCs good books

  65. 65
    So he's not totally useless.. says:

    Very likely. And he’s doing a very good job of it.

  66. 66
    Misternedderry says:


    Where is the fecking difference between any of the main Parliamentary parties? Where?

    If you want a change from 15 years of Continuity Brown Government, you cannot vote for it by voting for ANY of the main three parties.

    I am voting UKIP.

  67. 67
    V1le Labour ruined my Country says:

    The UK really is a cess-pit now. Don’t buy a house the Government will steal it from you. Don’t buy a nice car or any other expensive assets as they will be robbed from you by burglars who are encouraged by the supposed cri minal justice system. Don’t get a pension it will be stolen from you by the Government. Don’t try and get on in life as the Government will steal most of your earnings for the eu, foreign aid and MP expenses. The clear message is be a useless northern waster on benefits, you can then claim everything you need in life for free.

  68. 68
    One-term Dave, dragging the Tories to their grave, says:

    You’re a fruitcake, a loon and – no doubt – a closet racist.

    And you’re a bounder!

    Good day, sir.

    Toodle pip!

  69. 69
    Ha Ha says:

    Always voted Tory. My dad said if you vote Labour you will only vote Labour once. I made that mistake thinking Blair was going to be different. They are all the same smug, self centrered, inward looking bastards who are just out to feather their own nests. 600+ tossers lording it up at our expense. We have no effective Police force(sorry service) in Lincolnshire and the NHS is stretched beyond breaking point. Doing away with NHS targets are they? Patient centred nursing? How come then the community health nurses have all been bollocked for taking too much time with patients. Only allowed 25 min per patient from getting the old dear to answer the door, to them taking a piss before they eventually get to their seat so they can be treated. Fuck the lot of them(politicians and management, not the patients!)

  70. 70
    Don't take sweets from strangers says:

    I bet Gordon Brown will be having a celebratory wank over this

  71. 71
    The Third Way doesn't work either says:

    In my experience, the more expensive the accountancy firm, the worse they are for that. People whom you have known for a long time will normally not let you down.

  72. 72
    Gawd Help Us says:

    6 Months? They are going to have to be a bit more sharpish than that if they want to turn this disaster around.

  73. 73
    Little Johnny says:

    I sold up and spent 20K on a camper van and have not bothered with the UK since.

  74. 74
    One-term Dave, dragging the Tories to their grave, says:

    Wikipedia UK Edition 2100: “جون ميجور، زعيم حزب المحافظين مشاركة للفوز في الانتخابات العامة”

    Gufffff-haw haw haw haw! It’s funny because it’s true!

    Toodle pip!

  75. 75
    V1le Labour ruined my Country says:

    Unless the Government gets a grip on the welfare state, we’re all finished.

  76. 76
    Vasiliki Pollard says:

    Service personnel?
    Civil Servants?

    All of them?

  77. 77
    Misternedderry says:

    Sadly, there are still loads of brain-dead voting zombies who religiously vote for a labour government to abuse, hound, over tax, over regulate, force them into state dependency.

    Tragically, the tories and labour are damned near identical.

    And the BBC will cheerlead for them forever.

    I really wish voters in this country would wake the fuck up and get a clue.

    Vote UKIP.

  78. 78
    Vote Donkey says:

    Not at all. We would merely be ensuring that EU law has been upheld

  79. 79
    You must be Joe King says:

    This simply represents the current government yet again showing their true colours:- intellectually lazy, idealogically bereft, not a glimmer of a policy or an ounce of fellow-feeling amongst the whole worthless slew of them. We can only hold them to account through the ballot-box yet, like lemmings over a cliff, they commit electoral suicide of their own volition! Truly, our political class is evolving in the mirror image of the people they purport to represent.

  80. 80
    Vote Donkey says:

    Do Findus still think they have a future? How very amusing.

  81. 81
    Vote Donkey says:

    It’s over. They have failed. This lot have no chance of a come-back now.

  82. 82
    The Third Way doesn't work either says:

    Er! Didn’t France ban our beef at the time of the foot and mouth crisis?

    Are there two EUs?

    Were we joined up to the wrong one?

    Have we got fools for politicians (don’t bother to answer that one.)

  83. 83
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    ‘A death tax on middle-class property-owners that will cost traditional Tory voters tens of thousands of pounds when they die.’

    No, it doesn’t cost them a penny. They’re dead. And it doesn’t cost the inheritors of unearned wealth a penny either – they never worked for it in the first place. Being born the child of someone does not constitute wealth creation.

  84. 84
    Vasiliki Pollard says:

    No Tory in his right mind wants to win the next General Election.

  85. 85
    Call me Dave says:

    It cant be that hard being PM, can it?

  86. 86
    Ben Hur says:

    Hey! That’s my cunning plan!

    I take it it works? (The plan, not just the camper)

  87. 87
    Misternedderry says:

    It’s true which means it is NOT funny!

  88. 88
    Vasiliki Pollard says:

    Should a lady know about ‘felching’?

  89. 89
    Stupid British Animal lover says:

    ” How’s the fox?”

  90. 90
    Anon says:

    But it does motivate it. I have no kids and am semi-retired at 51. Could I work harder? Yes. Will I bother? Probably not.

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  92. 92
    Ben Hur says:

    Good point. And he’s not just doing everything he can to create division in his party, he’s doing everything he can to destroy his party.

    No doubt Brussels will reward him handsomely for that.

  93. 93
    Hang The B@stards says:

    Conservatives, just the same as Labour when it comes to stealing your hard earned money away.

    Why should I pay for some feckless bastard who blows all his cash whilst I want to pass mine on to my kids.

    I’m voting UKIP as I am so pissed off with the LibLabCon

  94. 94
    Just Another Zek says:

    Voting UKIP just to f_ck off the corrupt ConLabLib shower of sh_its.

  95. 95
    Ben Hur says:

    Unless I’ve got it wrong, it’s care costs that they’re capping, not care home costs. They remain uncapped.

  96. 96
    Anonymous says:

    Seriously though, what’s the difference?

    You’d never know there was a Conservative in office – just more of the same failed Blair/Brown nonsense.

    If a hammering in 2015, and another five years of Labour is the price to pay for a *real* Tory to lead the party, so be it.

  97. 97
    Vasiliki Pollard says:

    Pope to resign??????

  98. 98
    Bah-boom, tish! says:

    “including those 4 million who have never ever had a job”

    But.. there are six million civil servants, not four.

  99. 99
    Vasiliki Pollard says:

    Speeding points?

  100. 100
    Cardinal Owen Jones says:

    BREAKING: Pope Benedict To Resign

  101. 101
    Ah! Monika 2013 +1 says:

    It’s about time politicians were forced to swear the Hippocratic oath.

    First…do no harm.

    Second…see first

  102. 102
    Misternedderry says:

    Trouble is, if we keep replacing the EU controlled tory/coalition government with EU controlled labour, then NOTHING will change.

    On all these contentious issues we need to tell everyone how the EU is behind them, from gay marriage to the state monitoring and storing everything we do online.

    It matters not what is in the tory, labour or Liberal manifestos, because whomsoever of them is in power will do whatever the EU dictates them to do.

    Vote UKIP.

  103. 103
    Stop playing Angry Birds and get off your arse, Dave. says:

    You should try it sometime.

  104. 104
    Hang The B@stards says:

    Do the Scots waste the money we give them on the EU and Foreign Aid ???

    Is that why they can afford free care for the elderly, free Uni places, free prescriptions, etc….

  105. 105
    Vasiliki Pollard says:

    Ah but will God accept his resignation?

  106. 106
    Chris Huhne says:

    The Pope’s not persuaded a nun to accept 3 points has he?

  107. 107
    Hang The B@stards says:

    Do the Scots waste the money we give them on the EU and Foreign Aid ???

    Is that why they can afford free care for the elderly, free Uni places, free prescriptions, etc….

  108. 108
    A not unreasonable question says:

    Any connection with the Jimmy Savile inquiry?

  109. 109
    Owin Jones says:

    Guido Fawkes “considering” whether to stand in Vatican Central. << We have a winner.

  110. 110
    German sausage says:

    .. or three inches.

  111. 111
    Gawd Help Us says:

    Get a grip, no chance, they’re about to get a couple of million new claimants from next year.

  112. 112
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    Can someone please tell me where this £20,000 comes from, when our houses have been sold to pay for our respite care?

  113. 113
    Nonce Finder General says:

    With balls that big he should have been a cannon

  114. 114
    Tony Bliar resplendant in his white robes says:

    I am moving to Rome

  115. 115
    Call me Dave says:

    Can we have pink smoke?

  116. 116
    Viv says:

    Smoke & mirrors… The ‘cap’ doesn’t apply to board and lodging, so will make no difference to the majority – but it gives Osborne an excuse to weasel out of promises on IHT.

    This has been as cynically planned as the ‘gay marriage’ vote, which was really a kow-tow to the EU heavily disguised.

    They’re all the same…Vote UKIP!! Are you listing, Eastleight constituents? Give them ( all 3 parties) a wake-up call!

  117. 117
    Mwmbwls says:

    If only there was a catchy tune in which Conservative politicians could repeatly say “I’m sorry,I’m sorry, I’m so so Sorry” If only.

  118. 118
    Just Another Zek says:

    This lot are just sorting their mates out while they can and pocketing the cash. They have no clue what to do other than business as usual.
    I’ll vote UKIP every time it can hurt the Tories, they should be the party to restore and lead the nation, but instead they are just EU Debt/Bank arse bandits.

  119. 119
    David Cameron says:

    Have I upset the Pope?

  120. 120
    Pope on a Rope says:

  121. 121
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    Good! Italy are already deep in the poo, so a bit more won’t make any difference.

  122. 122
    Casual Observer says:

    It isn’t just robbing the dead.

    Considering what has been going on with the NHS this takes a very Savilesque tone.

  123. 123
    Plato says:

    O/T how big is this Romanian abattoir that supplies the major food companies all over Europe? It’d have to have many thousands of horses going through it?

    The impression given on the BBC is that it’s a one-man-band mixing in the odd nag on the sly.

  124. 124
    Curly says:

    The more I hear about it the more ‘state dependency’ seems to be the way to go. Free money, free housing, free medical care, punch a granny, set fire to your local supermarket, chuck a brick through the local plod station window = free food in free comfortable warm housing for a few months with the telly (and no telly tax to pay), an X-box, free gym membership, and ferried about all over the place in free transport.

    What’s not to like?

  125. 125
    Iv'e given up and stopped caring says:

    So if you die and your a multimillionaire or own factories and hotels or just have 50p in the bank the money shouldn’t go to the heirs but to the government, a collection of thieving lieing b,stards who are too busy feathering their own nests with other peoples money , somewhere along the line, I think what’s happening now is a better idea, conive and hide any money you have from these thieves it’s already been taxed.

  126. 126
    The Sheikh Of Arabeeee says:

    “Apart from a minority of hard workers’, he said you fucking mong.

    Services- not a bad bunch.
    Police- thick, lazy, incompetent or corrupt. Take your pick.
    Fire- not a bad bunch.
    Doctors- overpaid incompetent festering arseholes. A lot of them were the clever ones at school, are somewhere on the autistic spectrum and thus have no empathy which is why fucking disasters like Stafford. Old ladies starving to death whilst covered in shit does not fucking endear them to me.
    Nurses- feckless, lazy slappers.
    MPs- oh for fuck’s sake.
    Civil servants- overpaid bureaucratic spendthrift fuckwits who think money grows on fucking trees.\

    Try not to be a cheesy fucking bellend all your fucking life.

  127. 127
    Just Another Zek says:

    The Tories have lost it. If Scotland goes UDI then politics becomes regional in an English way that has not been the case since Act of Unification. Labour will vanish, but the Tories have staked all on being some sort of mini me EU super power, that won’t happen. Once the money markets start shipping out all that is left is the shit pits that Labour and Tory have built in England. Not so much as low tech jobs but no tech jobs is all we’ve got and we’ve given them to a bunch of sh_ts from the Austro- Hungarian Empire. It’s a case of think local act local and globally do f_ck all as its not our business anymore.

  128. 128
    Popeye says:

    2015 is election year I believe?

  129. 129
    Just Another Zek says:


  130. 130
    Just Another Zek says:

    You speak the truth and then some!

  131. 131
    Popeye says:

    Why not be more clear about your feelings brother?

  132. 132
    Black Smoke over the Sistine Chapel ?? says:

    Pope Clement XVI to stand down 28 February…the first Pope in centuries to do so…..

    Dear Brothers,

    I have convoked you to this Consistory, not only for the three canonisations, but also to communicate to you a decision of great importance for the life of the Church. After having repeatedly examined my conscience before God, I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry.

    I am well aware that this ministry, due to its essential spiritual nature, must be carried out not only with words and deeds, but no less with prayer and suffering. However, in today’s world, subject to so many rapid changes and shaken by questions of deep relevance for the life of faith, in order to govern the bark of Saint Peter and proclaim the Gospel, both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognise my incapacity to adequately fulfil the ministry entrusted to me.

    For this reason, and well aware of the seriousness of this act, with full freedom I declare that I renounce the ministry of Bishop of Rome, Successor of Saint Peter, entrusted to me by the Cardinals on 19 April 2005, in such a way, that as from 28 February 2013, at 20:00 hours, the See of Rome, the See of Saint Peter, will be vacant and a Conclave to elect the new Supreme Pontiff will have to be convoked by those whose competence it is.

    Dear Brothers, I thank you most sincerely for all the love and work with which you have supported me in my ministry and I ask pardon for all my defects. And now, let us entrust the Holy Church to the care of Our Supreme Pastor, Our Lord Jesus Christ, and implore his holy Mother Mary, so that she may assist the Cardinal Fathers with her maternal solicitude, in electing a new Supreme Pontiff. With regard to myself, I wish to also devotedly serve the Holy Church of God in the future through a life dedicated to prayer.

    From the Vatican, 10 February 2013


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    lets repaint the yellow submarine blue says:

    Braindead arise and vote for, well what you usually do, red , blue or yellow, second thoughts their must be something good on telly, don’t look out of the window you might see bad things your allowing to go on.

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    Curly says:

    Simple answer is for shoppers to simply walk on by when they come to any “meat” counter. Let the shops keep it. If you have a local trustworthy butcher, give him all your meaty business. It should only take a week or so for those who need to get the message we are trying to convey. Likewise when you go out for dinner don’t order steak; there are lots of alternatives on the menu.

  135. 135
    honsety in not the best policy says:

    BBC wouldn’t want to upset their real masters by telling the truth.

  136. 136
    Curly says:

    they are rebranding themselves as “Lostus”.

  137. 137
    Curly says:

    So learn German (although they all speak fluent English) and move to Germany.

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    Welsh activist. says:

  139. 139
    Curly says:

    Be sure to address your letter to M P T Vessels, SW1A

  140. 140
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    I read something about Romania. Allegedly it’s Europe-wide.

  141. 141
    Igor Onlywunball says:

    ..or find a sympathetic suicide blower upper of big useless unwanted buildings dominating the centre of Brussels.

  142. 142
    Igor Onlywunball says:

    So it really is Pope goes – the weasel.

  143. 143
    Mine d'Boggles says:

    From last Friday:

    Stamp duty (3% of agreed price) £9,600.00
    Land registration fee £270.00
    Searches allow approximately £300.00
    Bank transfer fee £30.00 plus VAT
    Stamp duty return admin fee £100.00 plus VAT
    Conveyancing costs £695.00 plus VAT

    The buyer is a young professional (#1 son) and buying a tiny Victorian workers cottage within a train ride of London.

    Nice one, Mr Taxman

  144. 144
    Mine d'Boggles says:

    Bonfire of the QUANGOs anyone?
    Thought not.

  145. 145
    lennie says:

    it’s only a rip off when it affects the middle/upper classes meanwhile the poor can die – fucking tory c’nts

  146. 146
    genghiz the kahn says:

    pay the state for the right to die…

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    Anonymous says:

    I know this isn’t really Cameron, because it would have opened with ‘Let me make this perfectly clear’. As per every single fucking demented public utterance that pops out of the inbred retards mouth.

  148. 148
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    If you want a real rip-off, look back over the 13 years Labour were in power.

    The 300 odd Stealth Taxes they imposed were just the start!

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    Terrible But True says:

    A cess pit with nice views, mind.

    Well, they are addressing that, too.

    “they aspire to a better life for their children and their grandchildren”

    Steady on.

    That said, having cared for my Mum for the last 10 years of her life, what she passed on was a wonderful boost to compensate for the zero we got, in funds or help, from the public sector for shouldering that responsibility (willingly, as it is pretty clear leaving her care to said sectors, from social service to NHS, was going to end up poorly).

    However the notion of being exhorted to save for later on, as ever more ways are found to snaffle savings to fund the feckless and those on sweet deals, rather makes blowing it all while you can, and before they can get hold of it, ever more attractive.

    Why is it that investing in a home is seen as the primary target by such champions of fairness, such as union bosses on £100k salaries and living in subsidised ‘council’ homes?

    Or troughers like Cameron, Clegg & Miliband whose post-career pension plans will, doubtless, not count in the same way to how the funding of their twilight years gets assessed.

    Be funny if, when their time to dip into the money tree comes, there’s just a note that says ‘There’s no money left, and no more private sector golden geese to fleece’.

    Then watch those three huddled round a 10W eco-bulb struggling to burn on the juice from surrounding frozen or collapsed turbines.

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    keredybretsa says:

    There probably lotsa ‘legal’ ways round this, being nice little earners for the wigs and learned friends.

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    Living in 96.99% white Merseyside says:

    I have every sympathy for the pensioners of the future. I doubt if they will enjoy the benefits and pensions I do.

    Anyway, when I croak I shall probably have nothing to leave. I’m slowing spending all I,ve got on Amazon.

    Bought two books this morning.

  152. 152
    Living in 96.99% white Merseyside says:

    Oh please, stop mentioning Blair/Brown. It makes me nostalgic for the boom times we enjoyed here in the Liverpool Area.

  153. 153
    Living in 96.99% white Merseyside says:

    I remember Peter Lilley at the Tory Conference about that time amusing the party faithful by saying in a speech about immigration “ou est le Benefit Office”.

    My goodness how times have changed. He would have to quote it in about 50 different languages now!

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    Living in 96.99% white Merseyside says:

    And about the same time Michael Portaloo saying “We are the party of the family”.

  155. 155
    Living in 96.99% white Merseyside says:

    And for that he probably gets plenty of neighbours who follow the religion of you know what.

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    oddly helpful says:

    By the cynical calculus of politics, so long as the voters who do not agree with you are housed in the right marginal wards, you will views will not need ever to be considered.

  157. 157
    Boy George's spotty spad says:

    Instincts can change, have you not heard of the politician’s mantra that “if the situation changes so must the policies”? Liebor love to use this mantra and we Tories are learning from them.

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    Anonymous says:

    And I also have voted Conservative all my life & I am close to 84 years old. But my worry is that if I am still around for the next GE how can I be certain that UKIP’s (or any party manifesto for that matter) will not be reneged?
    The actions of the politicons since 1997 have made me very doubtful of their integrity,truthfulness & any concern they have other than to improve their wealth from the trough of taxpayers money.
    They have shown the way by example & others will follow until a total clean-up of the system is enforced & all miscreants subjected to the laws of the land without exception.

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    Living in 96.99% white Merseyside says:

    The reason they are our best friends as in the last 15 years or so they have managed to get themselves in the same state as us. We’ll soon be referring to Dublin as Dublinabad!

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    Living in 96.99% white Merseyside says:

    We want them to remain part of the UK – don’t we?

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    Alice says:

    And Militwat and co only use the phrase in every second sentence. Clowns!

  162. 162
    Alice says:

    Oh, and economic circumstances are the same now as then, aren’t they?

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    Anjin says:

    All nurses are feckless slappers? Wild generalisation, but fair enough.

    “Feckless” and “lazy” also mean the same, but then you do frequently show yourself to be an inarticulate, embittered loser in your constant commenting on here.

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    ReefKnot says:

    Bonfire of the Quangos ? What a great idea. Will you write to Dave, or shall I ?

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    Rob says:

    But I thought many of these ‘cherished family homes’ were in fact ‘terrific investments’, which they were – granny’s four bedroom detached house bought for £450 in the year dot is now worth £5,254,667 but it is of course an outrage that her heirs don’t get to pocket that gain so instead it is much fairer, apparently, to pay for it out of taxation.

    Come on.

    A fair system oils be if the State pays for your long-term elderly care, it takes the amount above a baseline amount in equity in the house, and realise that equity when it is sold on Granny’s death.

    Obviously this will upset a lot of people who wanted that massive unearned windfall to finance their own expansion in the Ponzi scheme that is the UK property market, but better that than even more of my own actually earned income being taken.

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    Mine d'Boggles says:

    Drop him a line, then tie him in knots. Thanks

  167. 167
    Four-eyed English Genius says:

    We could make a start on Feb 28th

    Vote UKIP.

  168. 168
    Four-eyed English Genius says:

    You cannot be sure that any party will not renege on their promises, but you CAN be sure that Wavy Davy and his collective of idiots WILL!

  169. 169
    Tally Ho! A hunting we will go. says:

    I see the hand of the Lib Dems in this decision. £1 million mansion tax, not £1 million pound IHT threshold.

  170. 170
    Great Granddad:Prime Minister in Waiting, New Utopia Party says:

    No wonder the NHS is speeding so many of my generation on their way. It speeds up the cashflow you see.

  171. 171
    Anonymous says:

    Northern Waster! You must be having a laugh you fucktard. We’re subsidising you shandy southern mugs. How about we secede from the foreign country you call London. You can keep the bankers,politicians, Notting hill set and all your grovelling Londinium misery monger mates.
    Car for a lemonade top with that sir! Bellend

  172. 172
    left wing, right wing, it's all the same bird! says:

    I Can’t understand anyone who remembers the last Liebour government or indeed the the last before that ever voting for them, again! complete refusal to accept their own eyes, believe the papers/msm over you’re own experience,
    UNBELIEVABLE just goes to show that tribalism trumps common sense.

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