February 8th, 2013

Today In Court Pryce: I Could Have Ruined Him By Other Means

Yesterday it was the taped phone calls, today Vicky Pryce hinted that she had far more on her ex-husband that she could have used to destroy him: “If I wanted to ruin him I could’ve thought about other things to expose him with no repercussions for me. It was a very tough time for me and rest of the family and I did things I’m not proud of. If I’d wanted to inflict fatal damage on him I could have done something very different”.

Perhaps the most disturbing revelation heard today was Pryce’s claim that Huhne tried to pressure her into having a second abortion, but she said no. Gives a somewhat different perspective to those texts. The trial continues…


  1. 1
    fella on the underground says:

    she is as bad as he is – made for each other. hell hath etc

    • 7
      Anonymous says:

      People wonder why people are marrying women from developing counties? With wife like this who needs enemies.

      • 12
        Point of information says:

        She is from a developing country.

        • 21

          The atmosphere is affected by ambience and environmental factors in a way that the ex-Minister never envisaged. Everyone is susceptible to that and the only safe way to avoid bad influence is to move away from the source entirely.

          That this is so is hardly better demonstrated than Pryce taking up with MacShane. It suggests that her critical thinking has become warped by Huhne’s influence.

          • Point of information says:

            No: I think her critical thinking was flawed from the outset.

            Any indication of sexual or physical abuse when she was younger ?

            Direction this testimony is going in would expect that to come out next, followed by a complete nervous breakdown.

          • I think we can meet somewhere on this line. Whatever she was like before she met Huhne, he could hardly have improved it. His avaricial approach and stop-at-nothing morality cannot have been a positive influence.

            Agree with your question being a possibility.

            It is my general experience that whilst women can be very manipulative, they do not normally elevate it to an art form as Huhne has done.

          • Point of information says:

            Huhne definitely did not help, but it is being forgotten that she married the chap from LSE whose name was Pryce, had a couple of daughters and then divorced him. Three years before Huhne.

            Her troubles run deeper than him, and perhaps could have in fact knocked him off the square ?

          • What you say is perfectly possible. One of the things that struck me though about the tapes (in hindsight optimiser mode) was how shrill she sounded and how transparent were her attempts to entrap him. He on the other hand kept a moderated tone which although cynical in the extreme (especially in view of the subsequent plea) actually makes him more evil in my eyes.

            I am one of these old fashioned chaps who believes in a fundamental difference between the psychologies of men and women. Her almost niaive approach was not endearing for sure but, to me at least, was more understandable and thus forgivable.

            Neither of them would I want at my table for dinner!

          • 8illy Kebab says:

            Get a room

          • Point of information says:

            @CMRR: Both were under legal advice at the time.

            Huhne himself is a politician and we know now a liar. Irrespective of that, his calm on that call is to be expected as he would be assuming the call to be recorded. This is one reason why the call gambit was flawed from the outset.

            If this was a divorce, then I would agree with your view. This sort of thing goes on all the time.

            Now, this was not a divorce, it was in relation to a criminal matter where she had gone to the press, and then took action to record the conversation in the presence of a reporter.

            If she had done it alone and then taken to the police / lawyer that is one thing.

            She did this though with a reporter for the explicit purpose of inflicting harm on Huhne, and perhaps getting herself off the hook with respect the charge.

            It is her actions and motivations which speak loudest here, not the content. The judge for sure will see through this.

            The naive approach is the classic which women use. It is also the most manipulative. Labour are demonstrating with their tack on NHS death camps, think carefully about ‘lesson learned’ line.

            Removing the cognitive blocks and look at this objectively, it is not pleasant. Her attack is undermining her claims to being under duress as doubt should be cast on which was the most dominant in their relationship.

            If you prefer your position, which to be honest I do, then that is fine. Do not read any of the above as being critical of your beliefs or an attempt to change your position. This is one reason why it is likely you are not a family or criminal lawyer, and certainly not a Judge. :-)

          • 8illy Kebab says:

            but you should get a room

          • Gotcha says:

            “Point of information” is 8illy and I claim my five pounds

          • 8illy Kebab says:

            the penultimate sentence of his last post is very Billyesque

          • 8illy Kebab says:

            the penultimate sentence of his last post is very 8illyesque

          • @Poi

            What you say is well argued and I am certainly not trying to carry a cross for Pryce as I made clear. That she was under legal advice at the same time that she made this ham-fisted attempt to entrap Huhne does detract somewhat which I feel plays to my point.

            You are perfectly correct that I am not a family or criminal lawyer! Neither would I have any interest in being such, whatever the reward.

            On the basis that all is fair in love and war, I can see circumstances, maybe here, where an entrapment ploy is justifiable. After all, until this point and whatever other flaws she may have had, she was the wronged party in numerous different aspects.

            The motive is deeply unattractive but in the case of a true villain, there is a case for exposing his hypocrisy if you use the greater good approach. I am not saying I support it, frankly I don’t give a fig for either. But it remains arguable IMHO.

            There is a timing point here too. The duress surely does have some credence when in a marital situation where the party imposed upon has a genuine love for the perpetrator. Love affects intelligent people as much as it does simpler folk. History and the classics are awash with such examples of torn loyalties. Undermine that situation and all bets are off. Is that not something that the judge is bound to take into account, bearing in mind that it is the jury who will decide the question of guilt?

          • The man on the Clapham omnibus says:

            @CRMM and @Poi

            This is a really really interesting debate

          • Omnibus Bill says:

            Should your archaic name not now be changed to The man on the Clapham omnibum in order to suit the times?

          • Interesting paper: Should you overlook things in a loved one or include it as part of your love?:


          • Aunt Mat says:

            Lady MacBeth!

          • NE Frontiersman says:

            It’s like a bad game of Consequences, isn’t it? Perhaps it’s damage limitation, like Thomas Carlyle and his wife; their union was described as fortunate, because it made two people unhappy instead of four.

          • Sidney says:

            Lets find out if she is a Russki spy.

            She is certainly acting like one.

        • 28
          Anonymous says:

          She spent most of her life in UK.

          • Joyce Thacker says:

            But she’s clearly foreign in temperament, the mad bitch

          • τρελή σκύλα says:

            She is a mad bitch even by the standards of normal women.

            Odd that Huhne has not been called as a presuction witness. Perhaps the prosecution is confident that her story of the points does not amount to “coercion”.

            Send her to Holloway.

          • There are a lot of huhne's posting here today - yes you CRMM says:

            He would not be a very credible witness for the prosecution or the defence. I suspect each hope that the other would call him. He would, as an ex spouse, be compellable.

          • corridor of uncertainty says:

            The most unpopular politician since Broon
            Was a chap named Christopher Huhne
            It got exceedingly tricky
            When he upset Vasiliki
            And now they are both going doon

          • Puzzled that Huhne will not be called as a witness says:

            Huhne may or may not have credibility but I am concerned that without his testimony to the effect that “I did not stand over her forcing her to sign”, the jury has her uncontested evidence. I assume therefore that either (a) this story itself is not enough to make out the defence of coercion (for example, perhaps Huhne would have had to be threatening her with GBH?) or (b) Huhne has told them that his evidence would support hers (which seems unlikely).

            Can anyone eludicate?

          • Kavanah QC says:

            Without taking about specific cases. I understood that a defence of coercion could only be argued when a defendant is said to have participated in a criminal enterprise because of a real fear involving threat to life or serious injury. I wasnt aware that it could be used through fear that someones reputation or career could be damaged. I may be wrong on this but I think that is more a plea of mitigation after conviction.

          • The man on the Clapham omnibus says:

            @ Puzzled that Huhne will not be called as a witness – with all due respect you are missing the point. The purpose of prosecuting Vicky is not to secure a conviction, but to get her to spill the beans about Huhne.

            @ Kavanah QC – I think you need to go back to bar school.

            @ Omnibus Bill – go fuck yourself. I suspect that worrying about my name is the least of your problems.

          • @The man on the Clapham omnibus

            The purpose of prosecuting Vicky is not to secure a conviction, but to get her to spill the beans about Huhne.

            Do you have any grounds for alleging this?

            (Straightforward question so would appreciate, but do not expect on past experience, a straightforward answer.)

          • The man on the Clapham omnibus says:

            The proof is in the pudding

        • 69
          get it right says:

          You think that Greece is developing ?

          fukinel. Were HAVE you been ?

        • 75
          itsallgreekto thebeast says:

          The bible was written in greek !
          They will sort themselves out when they cut out the cancer of socialism

          • Tachybaptus says:

            Only the New Testament. The Greek version of the Old Testament, the Septuagint, is a bad translation of the Hebrew original, in tatty Greek peppered with errors.

        • 179
          georgious papapoctopus says:

          ha nice one..

        • 398
          fella on the underground says:

          Point of Information on points – my assessment too. She brought prior MH/personality problems with her. CH is the shit of the decade but she went in eyes wide open because she saw him as a strong man who would tell her what to do – and he did.

      • 14
        Anonymous says:

    • 11
      d says:

      Huhne is a really nice man and he has been falsely convicted its the tories should be on trial :D

    • 32
      Clytemnestra says:

      So did he fall and quickly breathed away his life
      And spouting out a sharp jet of blood
      He struck me with a dark shower of gory dew
      While I rejoiced no less than the crop rejoices
      In te Zeus-given moisture at the birth of the bud.

      (Aeschylus, ‘Agamemnon’)

    • 44
      Chriselee says:

      Yeah good old Huhne,he’s a bit of a charmer.

    • 60
      Wet Ed Miliband's Diary says:

      Not a good thtart to the day ath I dithcovered my water bed had thtarted to leak in the night. Then I remembered I don’t have a water bed. The wife will kill me if thee findth out I’ve done thith again.

      Fatty Watthon thtole my dinner money again, tho Ed Ballth took me to a Commonth bar for a liquid lunch. Unfortunately, I didn’t have any ID to prove my age tho all they would therve me wath a coke. Ed lent me hith copy of Horathe Goeth Thkiing for the Thpectrum. I’ll copy it to a C90 tonight and give it back to him tomorrow.

      Went home to find my neanderthal brother David had drawn a mouthtache on my Juthtin Bieber pothter. He ith tho immature.

    • 243
      Pundit Too says:

      She is certainly not going to come out of this fiasco smelling of roses.
      Her hatred of her ex is impairing her judgement and if I were her employer I would be in close consultation with my lawyers.

      • 304
        w.w. says:

        Lets remember she is a Greek (born) economist.

        So useless, and a nutter.

        A bit like a female Gordon Brown.


  2. 2
    One Less Liar in SW1 says:

    He’s been caught. He resigned from office claiming he’d clear his name. Instead he has been exposed as a serial liar willing to pervert justice for his selfish means.

    I hope he gets a long stay in an old prison.

    • 4
      (I don't need no doctor) says:

      Do you mean Gordon Brown?

    • 39
      damned impertinent questions says:

      With a large and very violent cell mate determined to make him his bitch

    • 81
      Blowing Whistles says:

      One has to laugh at the way Cleggy – after the ‘deathblow’ of The guilty plea – then was suddenly “Shocked” – like as if he didn’t know the truth. Clegg’s acting is pathetic but then he is one of the leaders of the three big political parties.

      • 101
        inside- out says:

        If Clegg was truly shocked it shows what a complete waste of oxygen he is.Anybody with half a brain cell could have seen through Huhne’s so called defence.Huhne is a lying,backstabbing,serial shagger with disregard for everybody, but himself.Another professional,who wants to run peoples lives and tell them what to do.He deserves 8yrs,but probably only get 3yrs.

        • 246
          Ivan Agenda says:

          Clegg was into the new “S & S”
          In his case termed as Shocked and Saddened.
          I am sure we can all think of better words for this acronym.

    • 153
      Rimmell Mascaras says:

      I always knew Andy Burnham would do the honourable thing.

      • 231
        Rommel Mascaras says:

        He wouldnt kniw what the decent thing was if he was handed a Revolver and a bottle of Scotch !

      • 249
        Dick Miliband says:

        You can’t mean *draws deep breath like a Sally Bercow tweet* The Shadow???

    • 407
      Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:

      It’s a good job my missus is too thick to shop me or I would have gone down years ago. Boaz Chris.

  3. 3
  4. 6
    Old Tory Bigot says:

    So he pressured his wife to abort his own child?

    All joking aside, I think this is utterly despicable.

    Indeed, here we have the measure of the man.

    • 22
      Grimy Miner says:

      If true.

      Remember, she was content to accept the status quo as long as she was married to the Hoon, only breaking cover when he broke cover.

    • 33
      Joyce Thacker says:

      She could be lying – she is a Greek economist after all

    • 53
      Ex-Conservative voter says:

      What do you expect? He is a Liberal Democrat. The lowest of the low.

      Nick Clegg’s forward to the 2010 LibDem manifesto, page 4:

      “Doesn’t it make you angry that after 65 years of red-blue government, a
      child’s chances in life are still more determined by their parents’ bank balance
      than by their own hopes and dreams
      ?” (my emphasis).

      I can’t find it, but I’m certain that somewhere there’s a little caveat: “Of course, if your dad’s a senior LibDem, then your very existence may be terminated, as determined by your parents’ bank balance.”

    • 73
      I hate Blue Labour says:

      I wish Huhne had been aborted.

  5. 9
    Family Fortunes says:

    That sort of thing can seriously undermine a father-son relationship.

    But, what truth is there ? She has already proven that she is only intent on harming Huhne, and given the company she has sought since…

    How much longer until the deliberations start ?

    • 128
      ctesibius says:

      Well that’s the thing. She herself is a liar. In fact by her own admission she seems to be lying half the time she opens her mouth. So I personally would not believe a word she said on anything.

      i think the perfect and fitting punishment for both of them would be to force them to live together for the rest of their lives.

      • 156
        Homer says:

        Its a terrible thing to say, whether as a lie or even a shameful truth, so that a son would hear it. The woman is a monster.

        • 285
          ibrahim says:

          true and all for revenge. relationships break up, that’s life. she was a divorcee when she met Huhne. to attack him by telling the world he wanted to abort their child is monstrous – no-one will ever know if it is true or not.

          Huhne comes out of this far better than this awful woman.

  6. 10
    Anonymous says:

    Someone get her a book deal.

  7. 13
    Pro Lifer says:

    So, to get this straight: She is claiming Huhne pressured her into killing her baby, and that makes killing the baby fine because it absolves her of all responsibility ?

    • 401
      D'Jango says:

      I suppose you could argue that if she was mentally unbalanced at the time then her actions could be mitigated. However, she is a well paid economist who continued in her career etc… Doesn’t sound as though she had mental health problems.

  8. 15
    Sir William Wade says:

    How different, how very different, from the home life of our own dear queen!

  9. 16
    John says:

    Come on Guido – this is gutter stuff now. How on earth are their discussions about abortion anything to do with the public? And using them as an opportunity to criticise Huhne?

    • 17
      Devils Advocate says:

      Open court, should be reported.

      This is only shocking as family courts have been made in camera.

    • 30
      damned impertinent questions says:

      Yes …its is gutter stuff …. that’s where Huhne is standing and seeing it is a valuable lesson in how low politics has sunk when men like this can do so well before they are expsoed

    • 77
      imho says:

      I would humbly suggest that all the musings on Guido’s site are to do with vermin in the gutter, ie, the lying self-interested political classes.

    • 103
      inside- out says:

      This is how your political masters run their lives.And they want to run yours.

      • 186
        A British Citizen says:

        I do not have any political masters. There are a number of political servants in my employ who have been running amok recently, but that is another story.

    • 162
      A British Citizen says:

      When MPs are given a ‘free vote’ in the House of Commons it is supposedly so that they can bring their personal sense of morality to bear on an issue. How wonderful to know that their views stand in for mine or the rest of the public’s instead of us being asked through referenda how we think on such issues.

  10. 18
    Operation Crossbow says:

    Isn’t it odd that the BBC thinks that Government Ministers (they mean Tory scum) are responsible for the horse meat farce, but give a total pass to Alan Johnson and Andy Bumthem for the slaughter of human meat in the NHS.

    • 23
      EU Watch says:

      Wasn’t the horse meat imported as ‘beef’ from the EU ?

      And Dave has just signed up to pay more for that trade benefit today ?

    • 27
      (I don't need no doctor) says:

      Spot on.
      And it’s only since the coalition came to power that horse meat has been wrongly added to food products.
      The BBC are sick and twisted.

      • 89
        Casual Observer says:

        If they are sick and twisted, why didn’t Labour put them on a care pathway.

        Surely that is breaking equality laws.

        Anyone yet mentioned that complaining about NHS death policy could be displaying intolerant behavior ? Just waiting for that one :-)

    • 33
      damned impertinent questions says:

      And wasn’t this trade in horsey beef set up under the wise supervision of Labour

      • 43
        Operation Crossbow says:

        Just as most pay day loan companies started up in the Labour years. Something Stella Greasy forgets. If the economy was doing so well, why did these companies get a market?

        • 183
          Why Creasy is an opportunistic ignoramus says:

          Do a comparrison of how much a bank will charge you if you were to go into an unauthorsed overdraft situation for a few days when the money has run out near the end of a month compared to how much a pay day loan company will charge you for securing a short term loan to prevent going into overdraft and youl see who are the real crooks here !

        • 228
          Technomist says:

          Ms Creasy was not an MP in the last Parliament. The campaign against the plethora of payday local companies and loan sharks in Walthamstow is a rare example where her position really does have support in her constituency across the width of the political spectrum. I was drawing attention to her predecessor, Neil Gerrard, the activities of firms like Oakam over five years ago . (By Wonga’s standards Oakam are quite mild, charging rates as low as 442%, and they have been known to throw in a free bottle of wine to help people decide to take out such a ruinous loan).

          I have followed her doings far closer than most and am probably one of her strongest critics online, but can absolutely assure you that she is coming from the right place on this issue. (I have some difference of oppinion in how to cap the cost of borrowing, but that is another matter).

          These companies are utterly immoral, (we have the Archbishop of canterbury to thank for God finally taking a view on that), are wrecking this community and ones like it and need to be stopped. There has been an explosion in their numbers and activities targetting the very poorest in our community in the last four or so years. It is not an answer to say that there are banks who are also shits to people, motivated out of a similar greed. In places like Walthamstow, ordinary retail banking is not an option for many people, the banks having long ago abandonned many people and withdrawn from the person loan/micro-credit industry. Even the Co-op Bank behave like pirates, which is sort of ironic , as Ms Creasy is a Co-operative MP. It is the job of responsible politicians to find an answer to these unconscionable activities and bring them to an end.

          • Operation Crossbow says:

            @218 Yes but Greasy never wants to admit that Labour were the ones who failed to regulate these loan sharks. I’m pissed off with Labour denying any responsibility for anything.

            Until Greasy says Labour were WRONG not to regulate or ban these loan sharks I’ll just think she’s a slapper in a short skirt.

          • Why Creasy is an opportunistic ignoramus says:

            You fail to acknowledge my point so I will spell it out. Its the Banks who charge customers the most in these situations. What is Creasy doing about this ?

    • 47
      Tachybaptus says:

      Do you think we have been eating human lasagne?

      • 62
        The BBC causes serious mental illness says:

        No. That is an awful slur, unless we can show that the Tories did it.

        • 143
          Old Tory Bigot says:

          Liverpool Care Pathway ==> Soylent Green ==> Happy Meals

          Everyone Wins

          Yours truly

          Andy Burn ‘em

  11. 19
    Selohesra says:

    I wonder if they will ever get back together again – or is their relationship irretrievably broken?

    • 41
      Joyce Thacker says:

      From those tapes I’m surprised she didn’t end up under the patio . Huhne must be a saint .

      Who would be so vile as to bring up who wanted what child when for the world to hear . She is pure evil

    • 421
      Mornington Crescent says:

      Valentine’s next week – the right card could work wonders.

      Roses are red
      Violets are blue
      I’d still have a career
      If I hadn’t dumped you

  12. 20
    Andy Burnham says:

    You can’t blame me for that death on the NHS.

  13. 24
    Chris Huhne says:

    Feel the love ?

  14. 25
    damned impertinent questions says:

    So did the Liberals originally champion legislation to allow abortion just to help Cabinet Ministers get rid of inconvenient foetuses?

    Did they all declare an interest at the time.

    What a shower of scum. This piece of human excrement could have been Deputy PM. He makes Nick Clegg look attractive and statesmanlike – yes he is that bad

    • 400
      Curly says:

      Was the previous deputy PM “attractive and statesmanlike”? Better ask Pa*line I suppose.

  15. 31
    Anonymous says:

    How sad for the child to know that it’s father wanted it aborted.
    These two deserved each other.

    • 36
      damned impertinent questions says:

      I think the child is a star. He has shown candour honesty and integrity in standing up to an evil bully

  16. 35
    Council tennant with a spare room says:

    “Gives a somewhat different perspective to those texts. ”

    your dad wanted you killed before you were born … thats going to take the edge off a father son relationship!

  17. 38
    Incapable Vince says:

    Lovely people these LibDems, aren’t they ?

  18. 42
    a non says:

    Dirty washing aired in public.
    Guido. I realise you and Ms Pryce have a vendetta against the man but this is now becoming farcical.
    Will we be hearing he left his socks and underwear in piles in the corner next?
    Left the toilet seat up?
    Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera…….. yawn

    • 55
      Ah! Monika 2013 +1 says:

      That’s why we come here tittle-tattle. If you want meat eat Lasagne

      • 67
        a non says:

        It’s not a question of meat more a question of protein. Living abroad I readily accept horse, dolphin, frogs legs, snails etc…
        Wonder what big G’s thoughts are about Isabel Oakesh*tt?
        Has she shot her bolt and will she be persona non grata for future political interviews in Westminster circles?.

    • 78
      I hate Blue Labour says:

      To be fair, Huhne was the one used his family as props for his election as an MP. If you’re going to do that, don’t be surprised if it comes back to haunt you if you’ve been a total prick..

  19. 45

    Another caption compo?

    Vikki is saying “If you took your man friend’s dildo out of your arse , you’d be able to sit down.”

  20. 48
    Ah! Monika 2013 +1 says:

    Like all economists Vicky Price’s story doesn’t add up.

  21. 52
    50 Blades of Grey says:

    Fifty Blades of Grey is a 2013 horror romance by Greek-British author V. Courmouzis. Set largely in Southwark Crown Court, it is the second instalment in a trilogy that traces the dying relationship between a college graduate, Pryce, and a Lib Dem MP, C Huhne. It is notable for its explicitly horrific scenes featuring elements of sexual practices involving abortion/discipline, dominance/submission, and sadism/masochism (BDSM).

    • 57
      Ah! Monika 2013 +1 says:

      ..and Speed

      • 66
        50 Yards of Grey says:

        Fifty Yards of Grey is a 2003 horror romance by Greek-British author V. Courmouzis. Set largely in Essex, it is the first instalment in a trilogy that traces the dying relationship between a college graduate, Pryce, and a Lib Dem MP, C Huhne. It is notable for its explicitly horrific scenes featuring elements of sexual practices involving speed/discipline, dominance/submission, and sadism/masochism (BDSM).

        • 72
          gardener says:

          Fifty Sheds of Grey ‏@50ShedsofGrey

          I inserted my finger, wiggled it around then removed it. She moaned as I entered, ‘When are you going to get a new key for that shed door?’

      • 74
        50 Claims of Grey says:

        Fifty Claims of Grey is a 2014 horror romance by Greek-British author V. Courmouzis. Set largely in Rotherham, it is the third instalment in a trilogy that traces the dying relationship between a college graduate, Pryce, and a Lib Dem MP, C Huhne. It is notable for its explicitly horrific scenes featuring elements of sexual practices involving expenses fraud/discipline, dominance/submission, and sadism/masochism (BDSM).

  22. 54
    Dave"The One Term Prime Minister" Cameron says:

    I just fancy an Bengal Tiger Pasty, from The West Cornwall Pasty Shop at Leeds Station, that closed 6 years ago

  23. 59

    I say chaps i’ve done a spiffing deal with the EU
    They have agreed to cut the overall budget if i agree to give them another 500 million quid
    I say , the British tax payers will be pleased what !

    it’s no wonder this country is in the mess it’s in when you have a PM and a Chancellor , that have not got a clue !

    • 68
      Alastair Campbell Murderer says:

      I think the country’s in the mess it’s in because we’ve had a succession of PMs and Chancellors who haven’t had a clue.

      (I like the moniker “Dave Nice But Dim” but.. what is there about him that’s nice?)

  24. 70
    The Frankfurt School says:

    We think things are still on course. These revelations about the new realities of family life perhaps shouldn’t be advertised too loudly though.

  25. 82
    Elsie Beattie (83 and a quarter) says:

    This is a personal tragedy of Shakespearean proportions, dear. I feel it would be prudent for us all to take a step back, sip on our sherries, and spare a thought for all the abortions and, indeed, non-abortions that this calamitous couple have been through.

    • 109
      Rinka Scott says:

      I am going to cry.

      If it had not been for the other man Mr and Mrs Pryce would today be lecturing us about morality and social responsibility and getting their hands on our money.

  26. 84
    Andy Burnham says:

    The NHS is only safe under Labour.

  27. 86
    john in cheshire says:

    This situation with Ms Pryce and Mr Huhne is just further evidence to show that socialists exhibit psychopathic tendencies and goes some way to explain why they all have a tendency to lie, cheat, bully, threaten, hate people and apply violent means to achieve their goals. No wonder they find kinship with muslims.

  28. 88
    Tuscan Tony says:

    A pound to a penny the “other means” is something to do with the windfarm subsidy scam.

  29. 90
    Who says:

    Right now, somewhere near you there’s a husband who’s shitting himself with the realisation that the wife he persuaded to take his points could get him sent down…

    • 422
      Mornington Crescent says:

      If he had owned up when the story came out he would have got away with a fine and probably a lot of public sympathy – yonks ago, vengeful ex sticking knife in etc. Calling her a liar and then having to admit it was what doomed him.

  30. 96
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    Listening to this very sad tale of life with this ghastly man I am reminded often of the phrase ‘ revenge is a dish best served cold’

    She should have waited

    • 110
      KimIlBeast says:

      Minus 273
      Squalid couple
      I know that you have a mini Nell with probs and less means than the pryces right couple,however, I am sure that she is a joy
      Just what kind of filth aborts a child as it is inconvenient?
      Even Cameron looked after and loved his Ivan (I have no time for Cameron on most things)
      HOON and this Greek bearing grudges should both be sent to re-education camps in N Korea

    • 316
      w.w. says:

      I am remined of the phrase, “He who seeks vengeance must dig two graves one for his enemy & one for himself”


  31. 100
    nonabotivebeast says:

    Pa Beast had 5 “bastards”
    Probably as he was too tight to pay for abortions
    At least my brother and sisters are alive unlike the babies that huhne filth murdered
    Boh he and his ugly ex wife should get life meaning life in the big house
    And let us not forget that it was a Lib that brought in legalised abortion

    • 281

      Bastard is a pejorative term to describe a type of person judged solely on their own conduct.

      For my own part, I do not recognise the term when used to differentiate between those born in or out of wedlock. People are people. What they do matters. Not where they come from.

  32. 102
    old SHEP says:

    Will not be long before we are all eating soylent green (courtesy of Monsanto).

  33. 106
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    She knew where all the bodies were buried – all she had to do was write a book about it and it would have been a best seller and earned her loadsamoney.

    Silly silly lady!

    • 113
      Rinka Scott says:

      Perhaps she can write the book still in a Prison cell .

      • 171
        My Literary Agent says:

        Not a bad spot to do it. Peace and quiet, reliable catering, dip in the pool and then saunter over to the library if she is lucky enough to stay in Holloway.An excellent place for a writer to get to grips with their work.

        • 254
          G Archer. says:

          Prison allows you the time to write a good book and meet some interesting and sometimes frightening people.

    • 348
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Sorry RAN – but your perception and knowledge of the difference between civil and criminal litigation is zilch.

      The trick which you have obviously missed for all of your life is how – some manage to always keep matter on a civil footing – whereas when it becomes criminal …. from that moment it is a different ball game.

      e.g. The NHS murders – aren’t the PTB so coy as to keep it all on a civil footing … for the moment – they’re desperate to keep the issue oh so lower footing profile – now why do you think that is?


      • 416
        Jail them and observe how quickly lessons are really learned says:

        There is a clear case for a criminal investigation into Criminal negligence on BOTH an individual and corporate basis. You are correct there are vested interests who are desperate to portray this as a purely civil matter.This is False and there are people out there who will and should go to jail if the Police and courts do their job right.

  34. 107
    Brian says:

    Right now, somewhere near you there’s a husband who’s shitting himself with the realisation that the wife he persuaded to take his points could get him sent down…

  35. 108
    happy thoughts says:

    Just keep saying: “She’s shagging MacShane she’s shagging Macshane”, and then think about it for a bit

  36. 111
    Centre Parting says:

    Remember that Pryce was continually ‘dragged out’ by the BBC to comment on matters economic, whilst all of this crap was waiting to go to court.

    Should their judgement now be questioned and editors head roll? Doubt it.

  37. 112
    David Nicholson, NHS Chief Executive Murderer says:

    I was a member of the communist party. Hardly surprising, is it?

    • 122
      old SHEP says:

      So Labour apart from the rhetoric about the NHS, safe in our hands etc have secretly been in charge of the final solution,

      • 132
        Alastair Campbell Murderer says:

        To be fair, it wasn’t a very well kept secret. Some of us couldn’t help noticing as our friends and relatives were being mis-diagnosed and murdered by the NHS.

        • 140
          old SHEP says:

          Weapon of mass destruction found in A&E dept.

          • Anonymous says:

            I understand that the MP for Mid Staffs was told many times about the terrible events at the hospital but chose to do nothing about it. He too should be held responsible for the killing fields.

          • 1200 deaths and no one to blame ! says:

            Your comparison with the killing fields is very appropriate as Labour and their media lickspittles have instituted a year Zero Policy in which everything that occured before the coalition came to power is erased.

      • 169
        Polly Toynbee says:

        No no no! The only final solution is this government’s cap on housing benefit!

    • 218
      Maxwell's Silver Hammer says:

      I expect his new wife got where she is on her merits too.

      • 350
        Blowing Whistles says:

        You were interred in Israel – them lot claimed you as one of their greats … I suspect they have been telling lots of pork pies to everyone for a long long time.

  38. 119
    phil from Pentonville says:

    Self self self first.

    The people can hand me their money .

  39. 121
    Imagine If Christopher Dorner Was a Tory Party Member says:

    Imagine if a Tea Party member had written a hate-filled manifesto, killed three people, gone on the run, and then declared “asymmetrical warfare” against a major police department while threatening to slaughter entire families – do you think the mainstream media would be interested in what that manifesto had to say about such an individual’s political beliefs?


    • 174
      Yankee Go Home says:


    • 206
      Now Then, Now Then, As It Happens, says:

      You laugh, but that James Holmes nutter from the Colorado cinema shooting was erroneously linked with a coincidentally-identically-named man, also from suburban Denver, who was a local Tea Party activist type. The usual boilerplate of “We do not know for sure, and cannot confirm, that the two Holmeses are one and the same man, and if not, we profusely apologise to the other Mr Holmes” were observed, of course. But why even go with a story like that?

      Just as another similar example, let’s say this story ran on a TV newscast: “We understand that a male celebrity named James Savile has been charged in Leeds with numerous counts of a sexual nature involving underage females. There is one James Savile in Yorkshire who is a TV personality and another one [incidentally, spelt with two "L's"] who is a Mixed Martial Arts battler, and it is not immediately clear which is meant, as no details other than name have been released at this time. We apologise to the innocent Mr Savile in advance.” If there’s ANY chance the perpetrator will be wrongly identified, then why say anything?

      But then again, nobody in any newsroom would ever be accused of having an agenda to smear UFC and its fighters as perverts, right? Maybe they WOULDN’T do the second story.

  40. 124
    Ah! Monika 2013 +1 says:

    “………. to expose him with no repercussions for me.”

    Sounds like she may know of more criminal activity.

    If she doesn’t cough she could be up for………you guessed it…..perverting the course of justice.

  41. 127
    Bilderberg 2013 Secret Location Uncovered? says:

    • 134
      MI7 says:


      • 163

        It’s very secret. Know one knows where they meet or who is involved!

        Unless you subscribe to the newsletter.

      • 168
        MI6 says:

        Oh, that’s the decoy.

        They will likely be meeting up at one of Chris Huhne’s safe houses.

        • 269
          Give me money says:

          Government compensation
          to Libyans, is Bliar and Straw contributing, say a house or two?

          • Blowing Whistles says:

            At last someone opened up the subject

            CH4 – expose, rendition, Blair, Straw, MI6, Ghaddafi, 2002, names on documents

            The noose is slowly tightening on blairs neck – and for every journo and politician and media-type who has sung his praises who has ran along with the abject lies from the man – well what kind of duplicitous deceivers does that make you lot look like – in the face of OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE …?

            DUPLICITOUS 2-FACED HYPPOCRITE Cnuts is a possible answer.

            You lot are either WITH BLIAR or you are with the PUBLIC – what’s it to be?

          • Blowing Whistles says:

            Camoron, Clegg, Ming C, Ed Deadwood, Rupert & Co (who doesn’t give a F either way):

            We are all so “shocked” and it is a humbling moment to learn that Bliar and Straw and Dave Milideadwood, Camp.bell and so many others did actually conceal all of this skullduggery from the British public …..

            The Noose tightens.

    • 160
      Sir William Wade says:

      Take it from me, these Bilderberg frolics are over-rated. The initiation ceremony is damned uncomfortable and embarrassing – it took me a week to get rid of the smell of whale blubber – Virginia is oppressively hot in midsummer, and the food is merely catering. Then you’ve got to hobnob with a gaggle of self-important bores who fail to notice how the world goes on running itself quite smoothly while they’re away getting sloshed on Tennessee Coonskin Old Number 666 Bourbon and playing leapfrog.

      I’ve told them I won’t attend this year, not even if Hillary does her banana dance.

  42. 130
    Lance says:

    Tour of Catarrh. No spitting lads.

  43. 150
    Herman van Rumboy says:


  44. 158
    Not Blowing Whistles says:

    Hmm… Lockwood and Pleb gate, definitely more than meets the eye and perhaps a real issue of national security. What is the price of coffee in chambers these days ?

  45. 159
    ████ ' changed my tune' Hoon says:


  46. 166
    Only Labour can be trusted with the NHS... the National Homicide Service says:

    Pryce shouldn’t tease us like that. Come on, spill the beans on Huhne!

  47. 173
    CarryHole is a fabulous reporter says:

    Why do I see Huhne on the Guy news team in a few years time ?

  48. 175
    Operation Crossbow says:

    Prick Robinson looked like someone had shot his dog on the BBC news. Remember the endless comment from the BBC about how Cameron was “isolated”. Yet he’s clearly not alone (even if the deal could have been better) and in fact it was the French who were out on their own.

    It won’t stop the BBC of course, they will be scratching around now for some other story to run with. Expect the horse meat rubbish to be ramped up, but any mention of this going on under Labour will be ignored.

    • 177
      Licensed says:

      Its funny how the BBC never spotted the meat scandal. Don’t they have any investigative journalists at all these days?

      • 182
        Vasiliki Pollard says:

        No. Philip Schofield works for ITV.

      • 191
        Operation Crossbow says:

        The BBC only investigate when the words Tory, Fatchur or cuts are involved.

        • 293
          fitz fitz says:

          They have a team down in West Africa now,actually, chasing up leads on a ritual child torso murder in London … and in Germany where he may have been trafficked from … priorities, priorities … lots of heavily accented W Afric stuff on the way …

    • 178
      old SHEP says:

      I think the EU is horse meat.

    • 260
      Labour...filth...just filth says:

      hollande looked like a rabbit in the headlights most of the time but given the tanking france is taking not a suprise…frau merkel on the other hand lpleased to have had the Pm taking on the eu rump..she has elections.

      • 402
        Curly says:

        .. which it looks like she is going to lose. So what loony lefty will take over in Germany? Angie is (reportedly) right of centre.

  49. 187
    Where are the criminal investigations into this ? says:

    Do you think Andy Burnham will be fronting a “Justice for the 1200″ campaign ?

  50. 189
    Operation Crossbow says:

    Here we go, Channel 4 news blaming Tory cuts for Polish meat producers selling horse dressed up as beef.

    • 212
      Cold Cut says:

      That doesn’t work. Poland sent us the meat knowing it was horse.

      Ban all EU imports of meat pronto.

      The Russian’s have: Lots of dioxins in EU meat. Not sure if they found that in the horse though.

      • 233
        Technomist says:

        I agree. Tt is the least that we can do.If the governments of the countries don’t control their mafias, the British consumer should demand that our government bans imports of their meat.

        • 357
          Blowing Whistles says:

          Could we also ban their immigrunts and criminal elements?

          • Not Blowing Whistles says:

            Only they can control their mafias. And you do not know how far up they go. EU could address if it introduced some RICO like legislation.

            To control the influence of those foreign mafias in the UK is central to the immigration and open borders policy.

            Open borders benefits the criminal fraternity the most.

            Voting UKIP would help regain control of the borders to the UK, which are currently run by the EU. That can be changed immediately with a simple phone call from the Home Office, but only if the fiction of the treaties is ignored.

            It will take a while to root out most of what has infiltrated the UK. We can only hope this is being watched closely by the security services, and that appropriate actions have already started.

  51. 192
    Gordon Brown says:

    I have become death, the destroyer of Pensions !

  52. 194
    Operation Crossbow says:

    So according to Channel 4 news the whole current food problem is down to Tory cuts.

    So how does Channel 4 explain the NHS disasters then? or Foot and mouth?

  53. 203
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    Channel 4 News.
    Snow and Guru-Murthy, the two most arrogant and useless interviewers.
    It surprises me that no one has smacked Guru=Murthy in the mouth.

    They witter on about contaminated food, so it’s only just happened since the coalition came to power. I think not.

    Maybe the FSA should check all food to see if it contains C4 News interviewers.

    Snow and G-M, a pair of arrogant wankers.

    Now they are on about Libyan torture. No mention of Blair and Labour, only the British Government.

    Why don’t Snow and G-M be honest, and just say we hate Cameron at the beginning of the programme.

    • 216
      hairykrishna says:

      In tpical socialist style the curry wallah drives a 911
      Seen him in it in Nottinghill

    • 255
      VERITAS says:

      All the Snows Peter Dan and John are wankers must be something in the DNA

    • 291
      Britain the ruined country says:

      I sat down when I came home from work absolutely k……..d and saw Ch4 News, even for them it was the most spiteful, biased twisted version of the news for a long time. Every item was traduced into something they said was the fault of the Conservatives and I only continued watching in the hope that somebody would smack both Snow and Murphy.

  54. 209
    National Death Camp says:

    Can we send Huhne to mid Staff-Birkenau?

  55. 211
    What a gay day... says:

    A finger of fudge is just enought to.?

  56. 213
    KimIlBeast says:

    Dear son
    As I failed to have you aborted and you are now of age
    Can I rely on your vote?

    Love Dad
    and happy new year

  57. 214
    Sir Margaret Thatcher says:

    Where once there was Castle La Mondotte Saint-Emilion, let there be Tizer; Where once the mournful, unapologetic, strings of Beethoven played, let there be:

    • 227
      Jeremy Vinyl says:

      I sat my History O-Level with Sham 69 blasting into my wiggly-wigglies via a, top of the range, Sony Walkman.

      • 229
        Elsie Beattie (83 and a quarter) says:

        Did you fail, dear?

        • 234
          Technomist says:

          I think that he’s telling a bit of a whopper there Elsie. In those days they had invigilators for exams.

        • 242
          Jeremy Vinyl says:

          Technically, I passed with a “U”, Elsie, thank you for asking. I’ve been told that a “U” falls between an “A minus” and “B plus-plus* and represents a, potential, history genius with a weak bladder.
          Listen to my show @ jeremy.vinyl.bbc.co.uk.dot.com.every day, if you wish.

  58. 215
    Maxwell's Silver Hammer says:

    Just listened to the whole of “News Quiz” on R4 (normally turn it off but thought I’d see it through for once).

    Please, someone, explain how they get away with it. Undiluted abuse from begining to end, specialising this week on Gove and anyone who doesn’t support ‘Gay Marriage’. Milliband briefly criticised for ‘not doing enough’. Finklestein was on and made a vain attempt to defend Gove – brief stunned silence then they continued as before.

    I’ve nothing against satire, even of things I believe in, but this is just ideological crude abuse week after week. Does no one complain?

    • 220
      Ha Ha says:

      yes minister was on in the tory years, went when labour were in power, now is back when labour are no longer in power. Countdown for the start of revival for spitting image! Freedom of speech ‘rools’ under labour.

    • 221
      Cold Cut says:

      Anybody else listen to it ?

    • 222
      Jeremy Vinyl says:

      The answer is hidden in the on/off button of your radio/PC/brain-ariel.

    • 232
      BBC Brainwashing says:

      They don’t ‘get away with it’ Maxwell – they are paid by the BBC to propagandise its Socialist agenda in the guise of ‘comedy’, no doubt to an audience of BBC Labour-supporting employees.

      • 235
        Elsie Beattie (83 and a quarter) says:

        Get a life, dear. You can’t even get The World Service in exile, can you?

        • 283
          Doctor and the Medics says:

          We listened to the News Quiz and Weekending every week since the early 80′s but stopped a couple of years ago when sadly they both stopped being funny.
          Shame really.

  59. 217
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    Sorry, but Guru-Murthy is really proving to be a complete arsehole. No facts, blames the government for suppliers and supermarkets that are responsible.
    Guru-Murthy you are a sick, get a proper job.

  60. 219
    Owin Jones says:

    “Welfare cuts are going to inflict misery on hundreds of thousands; it’s going to destroy lives…”, Owen Jones http://www.varsity.co.uk/news/5556

  61. 223
    Andy Burnham: Killer of the sick and hater of Frosties says:

    So, what are my chances of becoming party leader ?

  62. 225
    EU Funded Pro EU Troll says:

    Vote UKIP.

  63. 230
    Ldy says:

    She is fucking bonkers which presumably why, after being married to a slimy cnut like Huhne, she started shagging an even slimier cnut in MacShane

    She must have a fetish for spivs who have no concepts of moral behaviour in terms of women, money or just plain telling the truth.

  64. 237
    Anonymous says:

    Guido still banging on about this tedious case?

    CH is gone. Let’s move on.

  65. 239
    Bert Camus says:

    The moral of this story is to never register a car in your name .

    This is how British society has evolved.

  66. 247
    Quotes to Note says:

    When Paul Staines (AKA “Guido Fawkes”) made his first appearance on Newsnight a few years ago, he was determined to maintain his anonymity and asked that his face be obscured. Jeremy Paxman asked him: “Mr Fawkes, as I suppose we must call you, why do you insist on this preposterous disguise?”

    (The Independent, Saturday 03 December 2011)

  67. 248
    Not Blowing Whistles says:

    In hindsight this is an interesting interview:

    Somewhat political view from the bench, confirmed by the 2011 riots.

    • 259

      OK. I will start the ball rolling:

      Dianne Abbott: 3/10 (generous)
      Cоnstance Brіscoe: 7/10
      Michael Portillo 6/10

      Not a judgement I anticipated before I viewed it. But why was CB so intemperate to Tweet as she did? It undoes all the good…

      • 274
        David Camperon, the Prime Mincer says:

        Far too generous to Fatbot. Quite impressed by Briscoe

      • 282
        Not Blowing Whistles says:

        After the pleb gate affair, there is nothing certain. A nerve has been touched though, but likely unintentionally.

        Briscoe does expose Fatbot’s hypocrisy very well though. But the judiciary should be independent, no ? Brillo appeared very reluctant to agree.

        • 292

          That the judiciary should be independent does not equate in my mind with the contention that a judge should not have a point of view which can be admitted into the public arena where it is not affecting any current trial.

          I await your judgment! ;-)

          • Not Blowing Whistles says:

            I would refer you to U’Tube for some of her other public speeches. She definitely does not get on with Fatbot.

            A sitting judge appearing on a BBC politics show alone raised my eyebrows.

            Independent judiciary means just that. The judges cannot tell politicians what to do, unless it is advising on a point of law or legislation: Politicians especially vice versa. The judges as far as the public are concerned should be politically ‘white’.

            Leveson is a good example of where things could go wrong if that division is muddied.

            Given that she is a criminal court judge she is quite well qualified in what she speaks. If the politicians wish to hear this, they can commission her to do a judge led inquiry.

            Expressing views on this platform directed at those guests is overtly political irrespective of intent, and that intent at best is bending the line.

            Note that Brillo agreed with the judge and tried his hardest to make it not look like this. Why make it look like not agreeing ? As he simply cannot with a judge like this for reasons mentioned above. The judge had just uttered conservative party policy.

            Note that this would be the same if you replaced the judge with a bishop and made the subject gay marriage, with a similar result. Big no no.

            That explains why Fatbot looked irritated that Brillo did not agree with Fatbot’s point, and why Brillo perversely should have agreed with Fatbot in this interview.

            Neil was a little naughty here though as he deliberately led this to put Fatbot and Brillo in a bad spot I think. The judge likely did not get what was really going on. Worrying as we expect our judges to be smart.

          • But the USA has a system of elected non-lawyer judges in addition to lawyer judges. Some of these are partisan. There are those who argue that non-lawyer judges are actually better! Not picking sides here but simply acknowledging a different system in practice.

          • Not Blowing Whistles says:

            Am familiar with the US system. That has it’s pros and cons.

            It is not fair to draw a comparison between US / UK though as the systems are completely different these days: They have both evolved since the common law system passed over to the US originally, and some of the older aspects of UK Justice of Peace system still exist there. It is that to which I think you refer.

            The lay judges only have jurisdiction in very limited areas both of law and territory, and that system does not exist in all states. Where it does exist, the locals are happy with the system so any partisan aspect is to be expected and is not usually a problem.

            The US must always be regarded being 50 sovereign states with a federal system on top when looking at their justice system. At the state level, the district and circuit courts are administered from the state capitol, and there exists a mix of magistrate or justice of peace courts at a district to town level in some of those states. The nature of what is being judged determines roughly which court the case is brought before, and the type of judge.

            The judges may well express their opinions on TV shows, or even hold court as part of a show, and in other public media, but you will not find them expressing political views.

            NB. Constitutional matters, despite the efforts of the current president to politicize, are not political.

          • When you previously wrote Neil was a little naughty here though as he deliberately led this to put Fatbot and Brillo in a bad spot I think, I think you meant to say Portillo and not Brillo. Am I correct?

            We are into quite a tight area of definition here about what is political or not and my contention was along more philosophical lines when awarding my points above. It requires a mind as focused as a judge’s to expose the hypocrisy of the Fatbots of this world but I would be pleased to see such firepower directed at any politician where they were defending the indefensible.

            I do not see that as politicising but more as a process in logic, a quality which has almost been exterminated in modern society.


          • Blowing Whistles says:

            will return to this one on Sat – but try the interfeering MJ Coleridge for starters – now he is a one.

          • Blowing Whistles says:

            ughumm Mister of a wig coleridge.

          • Blowing Whistles says:

            Coleridge – Mr Justice – wanchor duplicitous barsteward of the Family courts

          • Blowing Whistles says:

            3 moddys so far and a colerdige not to be mentioned.

          • Blowing Whistles says:

            try heatherington then.

          • Blowing Whistles says:

            After 5 attempts I got heatherboys name up – he is subroned under a Cole Ridge.

          • Blowing Whistles says:

            Vice president of the Family C.ourts start there eh innit?

          • Not Blowing Whistles says:

            Sorry, yes, did mean Portillo.

            Your points award I think just fine. Would have given the judge a 9 myself, because everything she said was true, however political.

            For reference on her speech, and why it is a bit political:

            Compare / contrast. We all know it, the only problem here is that someone in her position should not be saying it.

          • Blowing Whistles says:

            Sir John Thomas – what a plonker?

          • Blowing Whistles says:

            loads mooded just now – wonder why?

          • Blowing Whistles says:

            A man – of coal who lives on a ridge – old king cole like.

    • 263
      Labourunionsbbc we are one under the EU says:

      The fat thick cow’s face is priceless when she smirks thinking portello is going to agree with her, and then has to sit mort faced whill he agrees with thejudge.

      The tub of chickin lard is a disgrace to British culture, the judge is not.

  68. 250
    VERITAS says:

    What about this scenario for a fantasy reality show all three Huhne,his wife and her lover all get sent down and they are assigned the same cell interesting velly intelesting.

    • 256
      Metaphysical TV Water (because the BBC is b/s) says:

      All would die except one. Huhne would claim to be the survivor, except he would be lying.

  69. 257
    CCHQ says:

    Exclusive behind the scenes footage of the rehearsals for this year’s Conservative Party Conference. Not sure what the blue rinse brigade will make of this…

  70. 261
    new dna test shows HoC composed of 100% donkey says:
  71. 265
    EU Budget says:

    Good interview on EU Budget:


    Farage’s points were correct, and his reference to EU purchases not being all they are cracked up to be likely did not reference horse at the time, but certainly are directly to the point of UK involvement in the free trade aspects.

    He surprisingly did not answer the question about need for UKIP though by going directly to the guarantee of referendum as being a key difference. Are there conversations going on behind closed doors, or is he just distracted with understandable plethora of EU stuff which is going on at present ?

  72. 272
    Big D says:

    Vicky Pryce is doing what 99% of people on this site would have done so stop slagging the woman off.
    Her old man is an appaling creature and shes well rid of him .
    However she really does need to look to her choice in men and take a break from the political class .
    Wonder if Carina will go back to being gay when dear old Chris is banged to rights ?

  73. 280
    Saffron says:

    Dear oh Dear where to start with all the goings on we are seeing.
    1) The bullshit broadcasting outfit,can this lot ever be impartial in their truly being representative of what is reality.Dont pay the licence tax,and have had the Crap lot come around to see me they thought,changed their minds when they saw what they needed to pass to get beyond the front gate,it’s a little pet of mine called an airedale terrier and his chain stops about 2 yards short of the front gate and my mailbox.
    2)The Huhne is now a proven LIAR end of.
    3)Burnem is a typical liebour LOMF piece of shite like many others in this scumbag party.
    4)Cammers joy oh joy has got us a reduction in the EUSSR budget,but Farage says well done Davy and now we are going to pay more,who do you believe?.
    5)Meanwhile backstabbing Red Ed Millibarsteward is still gazing at the blank piece of paper on policy whilst being pressured by RED LEN,but has been active on bleating about the bedroom tax,he needs to consult the oxford english and they will explain to him what the word tax means.
    6) Finally this EUSSR is now engaged is more spending on the biggest scam in history and that is Global Warming/Climate change/whatever next they want to call it,this is going cost us plenty of dosh as it is now doing,we need to organise to end this crimminal operation.

    • 287

      The MEPs still have to vote on what EU leaders have agreed and they are likely to vote against.

      Who, exactly they claim to be speaking on behalf of is not known such is their disjunct from reality.

    • 396

      As to Point 4 I think both are correct. Cameron has managed to get the assorted PMs to agree to a budget reduction for the eu. But to achieve that he’s had to agree that Britain will pay a bigger share of the bill.

  74. 290
    Pryce Watch says:

    From 11th Dec 2012: She was charged at that time ?

    • 313

      Martin Wolf came across better than I expected even if he states…defining the debt capacity of a country is an art rather than a science…, a frightening prospect as we are now, to continue the metaphor, looking at a Jackson Pollox in the Greek economy.

      • 320
        Pryce Watch says:

        He was being refreshingly honest though, but the whole framing of his argument was assuming that Greece remains in the Euro.

        An independent sovereign has infinite debt capacity in theory.

        At a certain point though, external trading partners will become unwilling to lend as they will perceive you as being too risky: This is one cap.

        The second cap is domestic inflation. When inflation starts to edge up, various pressures will force a change in policy. In the extreme case this will be a coup or revolution, followed by issuance of a new currency and dissolution of prior debts.

        The sovereign can manage its economy by issuing currency and debts, and setting its own interest rates. Using these the sovereign can manage its economy.

        In the Euro, a non sovereign entity, these controls are subverted and controlled via the ECB. In the case of Greece this allowed the economy to initially destabilize, and then subsequently not correct. ECB policy is not correct for Greece.

        This from 2011 summarizes the Greece situation, and explains the only solution:

        The euthanasia being called for is absolute and required.

        The Athens speaker does reflect the fear which has been put in the Greeks over exiting the Euro. Those fears are unfounded though as Iceland has proven.

        The Athens correspondent neither understood economics, nor could he see through the propaganda and distortion which Greece had until that point lived under. As 2012 showed, the situation has not improved and when Greece has stabilized it will be at a standard of living somewhat lower than where it was in the 1940s.

        • 353

          Max Keiser is one of those people with whom I basically agree but then he takes the argument over the edge (as happens here as only one example) and he then loses points in my view. I think he is broadly correct about financial terrorism but I would instance Goldman Sachs as being an even better example than J P Morgan.

          Agree with the judgement on the Athens correspondent save as to say that economics is neither a science nor an art, unless it can be divorced from politics which seems pretty well impossible. Even if it could escape these surely bonds, it probably would make no difference as the human condition is governed by sentiment which mostly flies right in the face of fundamentals. I have come to regard this as a pathological state which will not be solved in any of our lifetimes, if it should ever be.

          Thus I end up sounding rather like Max Keiser!

          • Pryce Watch says:

            Agreed: A lot of Ke!sers interviews around that time had a similar psychotic theme. In hindsight though what he was trying to do was just snap people out of their fog. Shock with shouting and allusions to sexual crimes work in that respect, and the screwing aspect is somewhat accurate if not crude.

            Vicky Pryce summarizes the problems of the Euro monetary system as being fundamentally that it was built with political concerns only considered, economic considerations were ignored.

            As has been pointed out recently though, the QE by certain monetary authorities has defused a very important corrective element of the international markets, namely that of the so called ‘bond vigilantes’ : They are currently de-clawed.

            It is unclear if that was deliberately done or not, but is a good example of how political considerations trumping economic can create a very dangerous situation.

            Not setting interest rates and controlling inflation through the bond markets as a result of central bank manipulation of yields leaves only direct attack on currency rates and then direct trade tariffs and protectionist measures open.

            This of course ignores the total manipulation of key interest rate measures which has been going on, particularly LIBOR.

            Good interview with Pryce here: Worth listening to after seeing the above:


            But, she is still making the case for union as solution, which is not going to work and will result in war.

          • Your judgement on Keiser’s motives accords with my suspicions. It may impress some but it turns me off as I think there must be something suspect in it. “Makes for good TV”, I can hear voices saying. Not for me.

            Pryce is lucid in that audio clip but has a tendency to gabble. She obviously has a fast brain and tries to make the mouth keep up. She would have to slow down considerably were she to attempt politics – but I think that possibility has now been shattered.

            As you point out, she is almost contradicting her opening views which for someone of her undoubted intelligence is surprising. It is as if she is talking about two different Greece’s! Again one has a blurring of economics with politics which indicates that she does not have all her dots joined up at the high level end whilst retaining fluency further down the scale.

            On this one I am in complete agreement with you.

          • Pryce Watch says:

            I am with you on Ke!ser. The timing is important though. Shortly after that was made the political instability in Greece did flair up and has not really abated.

            Seeing those interviews helped snap me out of some of the illusion I was under.

            He did not win me to his view exactly, just to be clear, but did make me think about things more deeply.

            Cramer had the same effect when he did the ‘Bernanke, Wake Up’ rant on CNBC.

            - June 29, 2007.

            Sometimes the message is more in the way things are said, as well as the content. That performance was direct and real, which distinguishes it from shock jock infotainment. The Ke!ser interview above is same: direct and real.

            Ke!ser has other serious flaws though to some of his arguments which requires one to be more critical of him. But luckily it is easy to spot when he is off base as he becomes hesitant, and normally backs down when he has doubts about his position.

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    Saffron says:

    Can you please get rid of this Owen Jones asshole from your site,this snotty nosed plonnker is an affront to intelligent posters on this site.
    You should tell this imbecile he his not welcome on this site.
    This person whoever he is is is evil towards this what needes to be done to this society to put it right.

  76. 297
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    So chrishuhne promoted himself as a family man to get himself elected onto the westminster gravy train whilst he demanded his wife have two abortions?

    Lovely man!!

    • 300
      Curious says:

      As much as the abortion issue is deeply sad, and Huhne is an utter cad in my eyes, I am not sure where this stuff is going. There must be many many women who have had abortions in this country. Is the argument being put that having had an abortion absolves a woman from any personal responsibility for crimes committed ? Is a woman who has an abortion of a partner’s child to be given a get out of jail card for any criminal acts she conspires to undertake with her partner in the course of a marriage?

      • 303
        rebekah aka nellnewman says:

        As I understand it she’s trying to prove marital coercion and to prove that huhne was a domineering uncaring sort of chap who coerces those around him for his own comfort.

        She’s probably about right – he has apparently had several affairs and generally made enemies of everybody as he scrambled up the greasy pole.

        What has emerged about mr huhne is that he sure isn’t a lovable person.

        • 312
          Curious says:

          Totally with you there, but as evidence it is not entirely convincing if this is all there is. A third of the women in this country have abortions in thier lives, but that is not proof they have all been in ‘coercive’ marriages, if that is even a rational concept for a freely enterered into state of inherently permanent compromises.

          Similarly, vast number of people have had affairs, but that does not usually turn their partners into criminal conspirators against their will.

      • 395

        From the perspective of her case I think she’s simply trying to paint a picture of a domineering husband. But I also think she’s got a bigger agenda.

        Note she says

        If I’d wanted to inflict fatal damage on him I could have done something very different

        Let us suppose she’s got knowledge, but no concrete proof, of other dastardly deeds by TCH. To expose them would normally leave her open to charges of libel, except for one thing – the laws of libel do not apply to testimony given in court.

  77. 299
    D o N ot A ccept says:

    Now we need a DNA test on the ” Lamb ” sold in so-called Indian restaurants.
    Considering they work on a 12.5% food cost, you get a larger portion than you could buy your butchers @ £14- £16 per kilo a minimum of £2.12p per portion. Do the calculation ( ignore the cost of the other ingredients.)

    • 301
      Curious says:


    • 340
      Point of information says:

      Most of the so called !ndian restaurants in UK are B@ngladeshi.

      The food should be halal, and is typically muzzie rather than h!ndu and !ndian.

      As this ‘!ndian’ food is the most popular in the UK, it always makes me laugh when people go on an anti-muzzie rant, especially about halal meat.

      FYI: Real !ndian food is not nearly as spicy and is 99% vegetarian.

      • 383

        You are quite right that food in India is not like what we eat in England though from my anecdotal experience, from a number of trips there, there is more meat than you stated. Mostly I ate at hotels but did ensure that I tried several local’s restaurants in the heart of New Delhi and in other cities including across the border in Nepal.

        My family lived in India for three generations and my father was actually born there but moved away as a child. He then was stationed out there on secondment to the Indian Navy until partition. Thus I grew up eating quite a lot of Indian style food. At first I rejected it but suddenly took to it with great enthusiasm.

        The other thing is that ingredients don’t always travel. Some can be sourced in other countries but don’t always taste the same. Most of all, it is the water which possibly makes more difference than anything else. Leaving aside the Delhi belly aspects, English fluoridated water unsurprisingly just does not do the job in the same way. But neither does Guinness brewed at Park Royal taste like the Dublin stuff!

        • 388
          Point of information says:

          Soil and water make a big difference to taste of food. Odd fact but coffee beans grown in some parts of southern !ndia has a noticeably different density to else where due to the amount of iron in the soil.

          I forgot to mention that certain foods purporting to be !ndian in the UK also were invented in the UK and have only recently made it over to !ndia itself, with mixed success. Ch!cken T!kka is one example of such fakiery.

          My experience is more in the South than the North. Meat is more common in northern !ndia, and the level of spice higher. Of course things have changed a lot recently with the economic development.

          Guinness made with Thames water is awful. :-) It’s all about the river source when it comes to beer. More to water than just H2O.

  78. 302
    Go get 'em Guidio says:

    It appears he nominated her as the driver in the NIP WITHOUT 1st getting her consent, then he dumps her stupid man what did he expect & does Peter, the son, know he wasn’t wanted by him

  79. 308
    Pryce Watch says:

    This may need to be cancelled:


    She released a book last year, Sep 2012, Greekonomics.

    In it she argues for closer political / fiscal union in order to save the Euro, and does provide the sound advice which would fix economies like Greece which is to do an Iceland.

  80. 317

    No wonder we did so well in the Olympics, as compared with previous decades, jumping higher and longer than ever before, considering we were ingesting all that horse meat.

  81. 326
    Mental Barry from Parkhurst says:

    Fu@k votes for prisoners. I’ll settle for teaching Huhne to be a proper Dib Lem and take it like a man. He’ll never want another shower.

  82. 336
    Test  Ґ№Фф™Ж says:


  83. 338
    Roman E says:

    FFS anyone who has been to Romania knows that Romania is the last place on Earth to have a beef steak as it will be horse steak. WTF are Findus doing buying meat from there?

    • 342
      Economist says:

      Cutting input costs.

      Of course consumers should ask why the price they see has not fallen and gone up: Inflation. Next is the question as to why Horse was not on the list of ingredients, but Beef was.

    • 344
      Scilly Scilly scilly says:

      Bloke doing the Sky review just made an excellent point.

      Findus can buy their ingredients anywhere across Europe, pie it up in France, truck it to Geordie land then sell it throughout the UK.

      To Eat genuine Scilly Beef on the Isles of Scilly. The live beasts complete with passports and medical records have to be shipped to the mainland, slaughtered and paperwork completed. The meat is then shipped back to Scilly along with paperwork where it then can be legally sold as Scilly Beef. This is because the EU banned the small slaughter house on the Islands, a slaughter house that had been there for living memory.

      Having said that I would wager a bet that if the UK government (civil servants) had made a fuss there would still be a slaughterhouse on the Islands, just as there are on the Mediterranean Isles.

  84. 341
    ████ ' changed my tune' Hoon says:

  85. 359
    Anonymous says:

    Vicky to tell court she found skid marks inside Hunes underware

  86. 374
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Wonder if Huhne has bought a copy of Al Gore latest bull5hit?

  87. 375
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Modders – resistance is futile and quite quite stoopid.

  88. 380
    Pryce Watch says:

    Here is portal for reviews of her recent book: Greekonomics


    According to the Economist review, the book offers three solutions for resolution of the Greek problem, all of which involve Germany paying out a lot more:

    i) that a Greek exit from the euro is too dangerous
    ii) that Greece cannot repay its debts
    iii) that a diet of perpetual austerity risks killing the patient.

    Now: (iii) is correct: The Greek economy at present is functionally dead and decaying.

    (i) and (ii) are linked.

    (i) Is not an issue. This is Euro scare mongering. Iceland proves the case.

    In practice if Greece did exit they would find themselves likely partnering with Russia and Turkey. Russia would be preferred choice as there is still a historical wariness with respect to Turkey present in the country.

    Such a development would consolidate Russian control of the Black and Aegean seas, which is something NATO would not be comfortable with. That is the only geopolitical danger, but chances are this is going to happen anyway. History is on side for that development.

    (ii) is only a problem whilst Greece remains in the Euro.

    If Greece was to exit then its Euro debts could be monetized into a sovereign currency and then managed away by a combination of devaluation and default. The immediate problems and imposed austerity which is tearing the economy apart right now would be stopped and recovery would begin. The change would be very fast, perhaps within a year solid ‘green shoots’ would be apparent.

    It is a shame that as an economist Pryce does not make those connections and instead supports the political union which she does correctly point out as being a root cause of the economic problems across the Eurozone.

    The option of Germany paying more is unrealistic. German sentiment towards throwing good money after patently bad is beginning to wear thin. M3rkel’s party is already beginning to feel the heat as evidenced in the recent lower Saxony election defeats.

    The EU political dream at present is dead.

    Perpetuation of the illusion is highly irresponsible and is doing measurable harm, some of which may result in unnecessary permanent scars.

    It is revealing that Pryce did not draw that conclusion which follows logically from her prior arguments. This disconnection between fact and conclusion is a feature of the delusional aspect of the EU model which politics has introduced, and which many now regard as ‘normal’.

    The core problem with the people of Greece being hesitant about making the right decisions for their sovereign state is that they still irrationally believe the distorted reality enjoyed after initially joining the Euro in 2001. Further, the political and social elite have been thoroughly corrupted by the EU itself, which was likely performed in order to coerce them to join in the first place.

    Correcting the public perception of reality outside the EU and stamping out the higher level corruption is of paramount importance both for Greece and Europe.

    The elephant in the room is that whilst the people suffer, and the economy falls apart, funding for the Greek military remains steady.

  89. 387
    only if says:

    so jeremy up yer arse wants the police to arrest the nhs does he??? what a c’unt of a man he is – maybe he should resign as minister in post – oh, he never thought of that, in this c’untish government nobody is accountable for anything – inluding deaths of loads of people – fucking nazis

  90. 391
    BBC are Bias bastards says:

    Just seen the BBC’s “a week in politics”.

    Apparently the biggest stories of the week was gay marriage and Goves speech on education reform. Oh an some hospital scandal.

    This was a 30 minute broadcast for the Labour party. Next time they should forget the reports and just put up a screen “we love the Labour party the Tories are evil”

    Time to get rid off the BBC in current form

  91. 394

    If I’d wanted to inflict fatal damage on him I could have done something very different

    Sounds like she just has. Even better, she’s done it in a way that doesn’t need any proof and cannot be fought with a libel action.

    • 399
      Emma Leaven says:

      .. I could’ve thought about other things to expose him with no repercussions for me.
      I’m still not clear why she’s chosen this route, which must surely involve the courts punishing her in some way, if, as she seems to claim, she could have avoided incurring any damage herself.

      • 411
        fella on the underground says:

        Huhne – Shit of the Decade
        Pryce – Shitess of the Decade

        Both Nutters but Pryce’s self pitying rants are nauseating and more harful to her family than the actions of Fuhrer Huhne

  92. 403
    Guy Martin to win TT2013 says:

    it’s because she’s a weak vulnerable woman, easily swayed or pressured

  93. 410
    Alex says:

    If nothing else, this whole sorry debacle lends a lot of credence to Guido’s “is Huhne a Psycho?” article from a while back.

    Quite clearly the man is, as he has no regard for anyone but himself to the point of being just that.

  94. 423
    Lord Fondlebum of Mountboys says:

    Ah the illustrious Chris Huhne, uniquely described as a meat-eating Lib Dem.

    Soon to become a cock-munching prison bitch….

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“There is more sexism in Britain than in any other country in the world, according to a mad woman who has been sent here by the United Nations.

Rashida Manjoo is a part-time professor of law at Cape Town University in the totally non-sexist country of South Africa (otherwise known as Rape Capital Of The World).

Mrs Magoo has been wandering around with her notebook and is appalled by the sexist “boys’ club” culture here, apparently.

I don’t doubt we still have sexism in the UK. But is it worse than in, say, Saudi Arabia, d’you think, honey-lamb? Or about 175 other countries? Get a grip, you doolally old bat.”

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