February 6th, 2013

The Envy of the World – Francis Report Reaction

The Francis Report is out:

The report concludes: “The trust that the public should be able to place in the National Health Service was betrayed.”


105 Comments

  1. 1
    Labour Pride says:

    I wank so much I would like to marry myself

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    • 17
      Anonymous says:

      If staff are cut this is what you will get. Also there are number of foreign staff, some are very very good much better than UK once. But there are once who cannot communicate, even though they want to be help full they cannot help as they cannot communicate.

      UK NHS staff can move to other countries and can get paid much more, that doesn’t help either.

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    • 70
      John says:

      Few bad journos do bad things – Leveson report happens – everyone screams “It was just a few bad journos! The press shouldn’t be regulated!”

      Mid Staffs NHS trust fucks up big time – Francis report happens – everyone screams “See? The NHS needs to be reformed!”

      See where I’m going with this?

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      • 71
        Engineer says:

        Trouble is, it’s not just mid Staffs, is it? Maidstone, care of the elderly, Redditch….there’s a pattern emerging. True, there are good hospitals and people doing a first-class job, but they seem to be becoming fewer.

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        • 89
          Liverpool Death Pathway, the next NHS scandal says:

          The biggest scandal is the Liverpool Care (Death) Pathway (LCP). Last year, 130,000 deaths, c 29% of total deaths in UK were of patients on the LCP, often following inadequate examinations. Food and fluid is withdrawn from 84% of patients on he LCP, many are heavily sedated, many are put on opoid syringe drivers – even when they have no pain. Those on the LCP die on average within 33 hours – but what exactly do they die of?

          Senior NHS consultant Professor Patrick Pullicino described the infamous death pathway as euthanasia by the back door. Pullicino and other specialists have criticised the NHS for putting patients whose deaths are not imminent on the death pathway in order to free up hospital beds and cut costs.

          The Christian Medical Fellowship, representing 4,500 doctors and 1,500 medical students, have sent a damning list of questions and demands to the DoH, one demand is that the NHS stops incentivising hospitals to put people on the death pathway.

          The Head of the Muslim Doctors Association has said that most Muslim doctors “refuse to collude with the NHS killing of patients.”

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        • 95
          One Way To Dignitas please says:

          warning, shouty mode on WHY HAVE NONE OF THE STAFFORDSHITE HOSPITAL STAFF BEEN SACKED OR PUT IN PRISON FOR OPEN CRUELTY TO VULNERABLE OLD PATIENTS shouty mode off

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          • John Bellingham says:

            The airwaves have been full today of apparachniks and former Labour ministers all attempting to minimise the report, make excuses blame everyone else.
            Appallingly, Alan Johnson, one of the very, very few Laborites whom I thought was worth more than a Monkey’s toss claimed that the “target culture” was introduced to save lives that were being lost under “the previous Tory government”.

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      • 80
        Abused Patient says:

        Were the hospital scenes at the Olympic opening ceremony based on BUPA hospitals then??

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  2. 2
    The World says:

    Where does all the money go?

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    • 6
      Tony Blair says:

      Who knows?

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    • 16
      Some cretin like Owen Jones probably says:

      It would have been a lot worse under the Tories.

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    • 31
      sarah says:

      It goes on layers and layers of management. It has being going on for years ask any nurse

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      • 43
        Billericay Dickey says:

        No matter how many layers of management were involved, the doctors and nurses who witnessed and practised this appalling behaviour were responsible.

        Too many of these – supposedly – caring professions are cynical, lazy and disgusting. Their easy way out is to try to load all the blame on incompetent managers: they need to pick up their considerable share of the blame.

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        • 61
          Budgie says:

          A roomful of new doctors (one of them related to me) were told by their management that overtime was a symptom of incompetence.

          Result? They work the overtime clinically necessary but don’t book it. So in their dreamworld the management can proclaim that their unit complies with WTD and has high productivity.

          Also whistleblowers are harassed by management. Yes there are bad doctors and nurses. The Liverpool Killer Pathway is an example, but the cult of managerialism makes everything worse.

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          • Mars Attacks says:

            +1 – What we need is a whistlebower’s charter that gives the whistleblower 10 percent of any fine levied and are guaranteed freedoms from harassment.

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        • 68
          Terrible But True says:

          http://audioboo.fm/boos/1196619-nhs-nurses-penalised-for-caring

          In interesting piece, kicking off with the notion that if allowed, a professional in the caring vocation ceases to do so, as if by force.

          The BBC’s concern is palpable.

          I especially noted the fact that people knew, but would not say anything. Which may explain the BBC Trust’s ‘no one complained’ favoured statement.

          The getting sacked for… well anything… was new, though.

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        • 90
          Dr Sex on call says:

          Bollox, frontline staff have no say in how their service is managed. Any complaints result in referral to professional bodies & prolonged gardening leave which can destroy careers. When it goes tits up then all managers have moved on & staff left holding the baby.

          NHS deaths = political mismangement with bullshit target driven culture

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      • 57
        Rufus Stone says:

        And the legions of Pilgrims

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      • 96
        One Way To Dignitas please says:

        Is that a graduate nurse, or one who will hold my hand, feed me, smile at me, and help me have a wee?

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    • 45
      lojolondon says:

      They require the same medicine as the BBC – privatisation.

      Cut personal taxation by removing National Insurance and everyone pays for their own medicine. It works in every other country in the world.

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      • 91
        Dr Sex on call says:

        except they won’t cut personal taxation and private healthcare will leave difficult acute care to NHS.

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  3. 3
    The BBC are cunts says:

    We blame Thatcher.

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    • 11
      No excuses whoever was in government... says:

      It was under Labour’s Watch of course . Nothing to do with cuts. Labour were throwing billions at NHS.

      This is totally and utterly shameful. Yet nobody as been charged with criminal offences or sacked. rather some have had “Golden Handshakes”.

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      • 25
        Terrible But True says:

        Who, when, where, how.

        No freakin’ ‘analysis’, no sources say… no selected vox pop views.

        Reporting. No more no less.

        Actually, for once, hold some in power to actual account.

        Starting with…WTF is #midtafs

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      • 33
        Reality says:

        Didn’t the guy who headed up the health authourity in question get promoted to run the entire NHS?

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        • 81
          NE Frontiersman says:

          Why would you have a problem with that?

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        • 93
          Eeyore says:

          Yes, and he was on the radio this afternoon being asked by Eddie Mair why he doesn’t resign. The brazen bastard offered apologies but argued that he’d ‘got a job to do’.

          Ideally, Plod would move in, arrest and charge him and the rest of those responsible, but they’re probably too busy holding liaison meetings with religious minorities, so it’s up to private action. Would some no-win no-fee bunch of legal sh*ts please offer the bereaved relatives the chance of a class action against him and the rest of his managerial gang? Personal bankruptcy is the least he deserves.

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    • 29
      Andy Burnham will be on The BBC in a minute and says:

      But we’d only been in power since 1997 you can’t expect us to have fixed all the problems in the NHS in only ten years so it was obviously the fault of years of out-of-touch Tory toffs underinvestment.

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  4. 4
    Meanwhile at the Shallow end says:

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  5. 5
    Andy Burnham says:

    I was on holiday at the time.

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  6. 7
    Anonymous says:

    Two arrested in care home paedophile ring. Tory politicians and other high profile individuals alleged to be involved.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1048282/care-home-paedophile-ring-two-men-arrested

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    • 56
      Z factor says:

      They deserve all they get if true but how nteresting it comes out on the same day as staffs.

      No need to guess what will fill the BBC air waves for the next few days then

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      • 76
        Anonymous says:

        It will be interesting to see if the police will be at the airport for the return of a famous, knighted, unmarried pop star, currently believed to be in foreign parts.

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        • 100
          John Bellingham says:

          Do you mean the one on his wine estate in Portugal or the one with the big spectacles and platform shoes?

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  7. 8
    Sandra in Accounts says:

    The fourth largest employer on the planet.

    More people work in the NHS than are in the combined military forces of the USA – including civilian subcontractors.

    It is a unionised mega monolith that has not been fit for purpose for decades.

    Just Google how much the NHS costs – truly costs.

    Politicans are cowards & or corrupt. The NHS will never be reformed – Labour, the BBC, the Unions & the vested interests will never allow it – no matter how many more Mid Staffs come & go.

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    • 37
      Billericay Dickey says:

      And this sort of thing – perhaps not to such an extreme degree – is going on now.

      There are many vested interests involved and Cameron’s “reforms” are going to leave a number unaffected and introduce new ones.

      Cameron is in too many pockets – a corrupt and spineless apology for a man.

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    • 85
      Mr. Quelch says:

      I am an habitual user of NHS and will be until The Man comes around. I see many examples of crass waste of resources, stifling outmoded work practices (e.g why do they have to type and post letters for everything. Not heard of the telephone or E Mail. Highly paid consultants write letters my GP regularly. A nurse or ward orderly cannot collect a discharged patient’s medication from the pharmacy – a Porter has to do it. I once waited 3 hours: got fed up – “walked” out – came back next day to collect.)
      All of this & so much more leads me to the inevitable conclusion that the NHS is run for the benefit of “itself” and it’s employees and not the patients. It would work absolutely brilliantly if they could get rid of patients clogging things up. It seems they have already made a start on that !! The ba****ds won’t get me – no sirree bub.

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  8. 9
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    BBC Daily Politics – Only Sadiq Khan could try and twist it around to be the tories fault. Khan is a vile odious shit, typical of labour.

    Burnham, Johnson, and the other labour health ministers, hang your heads in utter shame.

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    • 15
      Fishy says:

      Burnham has to resign his shadow responsibilities. Miliband has to justify why he appointed him to the health brief.

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      • 102
        They fear the hare says:

        Ironically, The hospital in Burnham’s own constituency had the second highest death rate in the UK. He’s probably quite proud of that.

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  9. 10
    Historian says:

    Remind me, which party were in government at the time?

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  10. 12
    Anonymous says:

    Never mind the quality of ‘service’ – think of all the luvverly jobs involved!

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  11. 14
    KeepTheYanksOut says:

    Systematic sweep putting tough management at top is all it takes. No big lumbering mega-budget required…it does,however, REQUIRE A DECISION and STRONG LEADERSHIP…

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  12. 18
    Andy Burnham says:

    Does the report say that this all started only 2 years ago?

    I sincerely hope so.

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  13. 20
    One Term Dave says:

    After my triumph with gay marriage, I will soon be rolling out other policies demanded by the electorate. We will be doubling the foreign aid budget. We will be putting a new 25% tax on energy bills to fund wind farms to combat global warming. Last but not least, we will be introducing sharia law to reflect the changes in our society. This should see me home in 2015.

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  14. 25
    Andy "Maybelline" Burnham says:

    I will be out of the country for the next two weeks, so there’s no point in trying to get a comment.

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  15. 27
    Been awfully silent on Twitter recently says:

    Last Tweet 1st Feb mmm wonder why?

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  16. 28
    Viv Dean says:

    Yes, the management/government ( Labour, please note)/targets etc are to blame, and things must change ‘at the top’.

    But the individual nurses on those wards were also to blame. How can any compassionate and caring individual leave a frightened elderly lady to lie, and starve, in soiled sheets? What has happened to one human being’s responsibility towards another?

    We have to recognise that something has gone badly wrong with our society as well as our health service.

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    • 63
      Catty Comment (ms) says:

      Do any of the nurses speek English these days?

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    • 77
      Airey Belvoir says:

      Agreed that a lot of the blame attaches squarely to the nurses and doctors who were indifferent to suffering to the point of cruelty and even, arguably, manslaughter. Other professionals with the lives of the public in their care – airline pilots, bus drivers for example – stand to lose their licences and livelihoods if they fail their charges. Yet these nurses and doctors seem to be immune to sanction, just getting a big payoff, moving to another hospital and taking with them their lousy characters. Their managers and bosses, amazingly, get promoted within the system after presiding over disaster – Nicholson, Cynthia Bowers to name but two. Therein lies the real scandal and corruption at the heart of ‘public service’.

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      • 92
        Dr Sex on call says:

        Medical and nursing staff do not run their service – it’s all the fault of slvish adherence to targets by managers.

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  17. 32
    Penfold says:

    This has all arisen as a result of the “reforms” and “modernisations” that were inflicted upon the NHS by a benevolent and caring Labour regime run by Blair and Brown.
    Will they accept responsibility for the shambles that they’ve made of the NHS? of course not, they’ve refused to apologise for the shambles that is our economy, after 13 years of “careful management” under Gordon “McCavity” Brown.
    Labour cannot be trusted with anything more taxing than removing used toilet paper from an open sewer.
    As for Mid-Staffs why has’nt there been more prosecutions across the operational breadth of the Trust, not just nurses and doctors, but managers and board members.

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  18. 34
    the PBT says:

    SNAFU

    its the same way the staff behave at home – employ yahoos, pretend they’re management – then enjoy the results

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  19. 35
    Fishy says:

    I can’t help but think that Miliband’s performance at PMQs today of all days is ill judged. But then again he perhaps needs a distraction strategy

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    • 65
      Catty Comment (ms) says:

      Unfortunately Sky would not let their viewers see/hear it. As usual the annoying and inept presenters had to get their 2penn’orth in – repeating what we had all just been listening to Dave saying.

      Anyone got a vid of the exchanges?

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  20. 36
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    Andy Burnham looks very nervous on the shadow front bench.

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    • 103
      They fear the hare says:

      And as for how much public money was wasted on the swine flue epidemic…. No lets not even go there.

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  21. 41
    Taffy in socialist denial, again says:

    NHS managers under Labour, appointed by Labour, promoted by Labour and given golden handshakes on leaving by Labour.

    You can try all you like to avoid the truth, the NHS death camps are socialist to the core with predictable socialist outcomes, including the Liverpool NHS Deathway.

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  22. 46
    Barack Obama, POTUS says:

    Of course, none of these sorts of things will ever happen when Obamacare is implemented in full. We will have all the appropriate safeguards in place to make sure it could never happen in the US. It is not that nationalized health care is a bad idea in concept, it just has to rely on the correct delivery system and the conscientiousness of the healthcare professionals. We believe we have all the right incentives in place to accomplish that.

    We also believe that the money we will need, to pay for all this, grows on trees, and that we need never pay off the National Debt either.

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  23. 47
    Retired health consultant says:

    Could be put down to lack of leadership, over qualified nurses who see basic care as beneath them, arrogant, incompetent management, too much management, inability to look and see what was happening on the wards, selfishness, greediness, foreign imports,contractors, sub-contractors,PFI,myopic business plans,hands in the till, gold plated pensions, lack of accountability, targets and……inability to accept responsibility!

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  24. 49
    JM says:

    Remember – this all happened on LABOUR’s watch. Say it over and over again. They did it.

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  25. 51
    Wormtongue says:

    Burnham and Labour have to answer for this, as should the management responsible – whom they promoted for their culture of incompetence and lack of care! Astonishing. The management should be prosecuted and jailed as their crimes are far worse than most of the current prison population! Why on earth are these people now heading up the NHS and its strategic arms – someone please explain!?!?!?!

    SHAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • 105
      Compassionate Labour says:

      Is that Andy ‘I’m one of the lads’ Burnham ? ‘I’m from the werking classes you know.

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  26. 53
    Mine d'Boggles says:

    Don’t forget Maidstone Hospital – that was another disaster. My mother was admitted there when she had a fall and hurt her leg and was unable to move. Shortly afterwards, she died of an serious bacterial infection that penetrated her intestine and pleural cavity. Two of the “nurses” were blokes in nurses drag. The place stank like a sewer. The whole place was a scandal that cost a mint to put right (as I believe it was, eventually).

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  27. 62
    Chris The Leatherman says:

    A failure of the NHS at every level. That phrase should stay with the Labour Party for evermore as the Mid-Staffs crisis happened on their watch. Remember it every time they claim responsibility for the NHS as it was set up uder the Atlee Governemnt, forgetting of course that its’ origin was in the Beveridge report commisssioned by the Churchill wartime government.

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  28. 72
    Rob says:

    “The failings created a culture where the patient was not put first”

    Hmm, that’s the NHS, not just this particular shithouse. There is only one failed ‘system’, it is the entire thing.

    Until this is recognised nothing will change.

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    • 101
      John Bellingham says:

      Is there any State organisation that puts its users (and owners) first?
      They are all run by an internal mafia–Police, Civil Service, Border Agency, Parliament…….

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  29. 78
    The savant10.4 highway patrol says:

    This is yet another adppaling and searing indictment on the running of certain parts of our treasured nhs.

    If professional clinicians of all grades are accused of dereliction in any of their duties they should be brought before a court of law .

    If found guilty by jury the judge should have full authority to impose upon them the punishment he sees fit to administer within the usual boundaries of the sentence tariff. Up to and INCLUDING custodial.

    Only then will ” lessons be truly learned “

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  30. 82
    da public says:

    NHS staff made people suffer
    NHS management oversaw it
    some of the above need to be seen to suffer too

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  31. 86
    Nerys Hughes says:

    I don’t know why the left are saying it’s disgraceful what happened at N. Staffs, in my experience that standard of behaviour and care is standard in the NHS. Envy of the world? Just name me ONE person from a G8 country outside UK who thinks that.

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  32. 88
    Retired Health Consultant says:

    Just watched Sir David Nicholson on Sky News – full of weasel words and denial – why can’t these fuckers accept responsibility?

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  33. 97
    Another Headshrinker says:

    Mary Drivel riddel in the torygraph was giving it nig licks about how the communists and EC appeasers in the Labour party could make capital on it!
    Erm weren’t they responsible for all the increased spending, non-jobs and all the other rubbish that has seen the NHS get worse?
    Dozy bint!

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  34. 104
    Compassionate Labour says:

    This is something that Burnham and his sidekick Abrahams CAN’T BLAME on the coalition’s NHS re-organisation ! It also challenges the Labour doctrine that says if you throw enough tax payers money at public services you end up with world class public services, wrong, wrong, wrong.

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