February 6th, 2013

PMQs LIVE: Envy of the World Edition

Comments in the comments please…


  1. 1
    Ed is a mong says:

    Bedroom tax in the HoC ? FFS.

    • 8
      CarryHole is a Dismal Hunt says:

      Partial Removal of a subsidy = A Tax??

      What colour is the sky in Labour’s LalaLand?

      • 16
        Retard-Ed says:

        Repeating the lie makes it true. Doesn’t it ?

        Social housing ? There isn’t much of that left.

        And Labour increased the number of disabled military with !raq etc.

        • 104
          CarryHole is a Dismal Hunt says:

          Social Housing is an Oxymoron.

          IMHO. It’s for the anti-social.

          • Anonymous says:

            Chinese censoring Dave Cee tories Britland, council houses were built with government money. In 60′s these houses cost less than £3,000 to build, still councils are losing money. If you take the full cost, social housing is not cheap as people think, it waste loads of money.

          • Wake up says:

            “Private renting is a licence to print money.”

            It’s only a licence to print money if you import millions of homeless people and distort the housing market. Something the Labour party and coalition have done and are doing regardless of it’s negative effect on the British people.

            Population Replacement and Ethnic Cleansing are crimes against humanity according to the UN, so when is a politician responsible for it, going to be arrested?

          • Sir William says:

            Few private landlords make any money out of rent receipts. I know, I am one. It’s also a lot of work, unless you pay lots of money for a letting agent to pretend to manage the property. Instead, we hope that the value of the property will be a hedge against inflation and might even, if we’re very lucky, give us a windfall (taxable) profit one day.

          • Sir William 17th says:

            Few private landlords make any money out of rent receipts, as I know from my own experience. It’s also a lot of work, unless you pay high fees to an agent to pretend to manage the property. Instead, we hope that the property will hold its value in real terms and might, if we’re lucky, give us a windfall taxable profit some day.

          • Confederation of Landlords masquerading as MP's says:

            Calm down, Tranquilo

            We represent MPs of all colours

          • VanHoog says:

            I’m with Sir William. If only it was the easy ride most commentators seem to think it is. Especially if you are dealing with ‘clients’ on benefits.

      • 165
        Fed up Ulsterman says:

        Like the community charge was not a poll tax. Trying telling those who have to pay it. Tories losing voter appeal all over the show under DC

    • 90
      Labour Pride says:

      I would like to se Chukka on the undatables

    • 115
      Anonymous says:

      There is not enough small properties to move them. What government is doing should have done years and years ago. But at this time is the wrong time as it will end up costing more when people are moved to bed and breakfast and kept there.

    • 228
      Anonymous says:

      You have to wonder at the intelligence of Ed Milliband, by parroting “bedroom tax” he is making himself look extremely foolish, do you think his advisers do it on purpose ?

    • 231
      Anonymous says:

      You have to wonder at Ed Millibands grasp of things, if he calls it a tax.

      • 244
        Officer Dibble says:

        Surely it’s those of us not on benefits who pay for these spare rooms through our tax

        So Cameron is actually getting rid of the “Bedroom Tax”

  2. 2
    Dick Scratcha says:

    Gideon looks high as a kite.

  3. 3
    CarryHole is a Dismal Hunt says:

    Mid Staffs = Liverpool Pathway 4All!

    NHS, Worst quality of treatment, funded in the worst possible way.

    Aneurin Bevan, Killed more British people than ze Germans

    • 14
      Rusty Lee says:

      This x100

    • 67
      lola says:

      NH Shambles bureaucracy nearly killed me…shut it down.

      • 118
        Living in 97% white Merseyside says:

        And yet our NHS suddenly becomes marvellous when we hear of our citizens, who happen to be abroad, having to have treatment in places like Spain or Greece for example.

        • 127
          Sparky the Dog says:

          Totally untrue. Spanish health-care is superb and efficient. Hardly any waiting lists, immaculately clean hospitals and pleasant staff. The Brits love it.

          • Mine d'Boggles says:

            ditto, Germany

          • Billericay Dickey says:

            ditto France.

            The sanctimonious drivel from both Cameron and Miliband is nauseating.

          • Splooge says:

            I can certainly vouch for Kraut hospitals – bloody marvellous

          • None of the above V2 says:

            Only thing with Spain is that they expect the family to do many of the little things for the patient – i.e. to actually be there a lot of the time

            Something we are not accustomed to culturally

          • Sarf Ayshun says:

            .. and Singapore and Malaysia (especially in the private sector, although the public sector is also very acceptable).

        • 182
          Sir William 17th says:

          Let’s not forget that it is actually nurses who fail to provide basic care. Nurses are usually regarded as immune to criticism, whereas nobody likes beastly bureaucrats; nor do hospitals actually seem to be short of nurses, if the gaggles of chattering people milling around most NHS wards are anything to go by. We might need more doctors and orderlies and fewer ‘angels’.

        • 189
          Anonymous says:

          I eneded up in a Polish hospital in a small town it made ours look something from Victorian times.

          Clean and staff were great.

          When people start going to jail and or lose their jobs we might get a good NHS

          • Anonymous says:

            I have family living in France, Spain and Poland.
            Health care in every one of those countries has been far superior
            in every way to ours.

    • 233
      Anonymous says:

      I cant understand why relatives and staff didnt kick up an almighty fuss as it was happening, its all very strange.

  4. 5
    the PBT says:

    is chris huhne feeling a new man?

  5. 6
    Dick Scratcher says:

    Ed – theres NO. MORE. MONEY. YOU. TIT.

    • 230
      rEd Milibandwagon says:

      But the City says there will be if we build on every protected green space in England, raise council taxes and employ everyone in do-nothing council office jobs and quangos. We can also have assistant police investigators go after all of the inflammatory posters on here, as is only partially the case. Orwell was 40 years out, we call it 2024.

  6. 7
    Sandra in Accounts says:

    No one is going to prison.

    No one will lose their job.

    Imagine if News International had just killed 1200 people through callous & wilful negligence?

    I am shocked that not a single manager or consultant will go to prison for the deaths of 1200 people.

    • 12
      the PBT says:

      R U?

    • 26
      Sarah says:

      Andy Burnham – how Labour can have any credibility on Health matters whilst that piece of shit is still in a job is beyond me.

      Sandra – if Magaers and Consultants would have been found guilty they would have had to take Burnham and the other Labour ideologues out with them.

      never going to happen – Labour are above the law.

      • 54
        Sid the pocket snake says:

        Burnham championed Stafford and it was under Labour that the red tape, pencil pushing NHS came about. Labour f’d up the NHS with PFI and don’t forget the £15-24 billion wasted on the NHS computer that was dumped before the election….the bas***ds.

    • 27
      24 hours to save the NHS. Again. And again. And again... says:

      Nothing will change because the staff provide a block vote for Labour, and any proposed changes panic the public into thinking we’ll end up with a US system where half the populace can’t afford it. France and Germany seem to have a decent solution – why not copy them.

      • 243
        Anonymous says:

        Its the same with all the public service unions, as soon as any reforms are suggested they start scaremongering massively, its happened with DRs, Nurses, Police, Teachers, Fire men etc over the past year. Its disgraceful really.

    • 124
      Living in 97% white Merseyside says:

      The death of 1,200 patients is deemed less important than 3 points on a driving licence!

      • 203
        Beep Boing says:

        All part of the plan. Do keep up (without breaking the speed limit of course!)

      • 224
        Anonymous says:

        Of course it is. Apart from the savings on any benefits and pensions, people are very cheap.

        Money is another matter entirely.

    • 236
      Anonymous says:

      Its a disgrace, shouldnt it be manslaughter ?

  7. 9
    Dick Scratcha says:

    Ed – there’s NO. MORE. MONEY. YOU. TIT.

  8. 10
    Steve Miliband says:

    Lesson on taxation to Ed

  9. 10
    Plato says:

    Most wives are often in bed?

  10. 13
    Taxpayer says:

    Perhaps Militwat could ask the mother of two 18 year old squaddies why they can’t pay their way? But seeing he equstes the non-spunking of money to a tax I suspect he won’t.

    • 63
      Sid the pocket snake says:

      Correct they have to pay when in barracks so what is stopping them when at home. When I was a lad my parents made me pay for my room and board and just because they were lower middle class in their own home, it made me appreciate the cost of living later on in my own home. Do all social housing people think their kids should not pay for room and board.

      • 186
        Britain the ruined country says:

        Social housing people on the whole think everyine else should pay for everything for them – example :- Crow the union wallah on circa 130 grand a year plus expenses.

        • 204
          Beep Boing says:

          THAT just shows how fucking stupid our train operatives are that they continue to belong to such a corrupt organisation and keep paying their subs. We just have to hope they know the difference between green and red, ans what those colours indicate.

          • I don't do back, left or right says:

            Green is for the District Line. Red is for the Central Line. Crow is a God. Boris is semi-satan. Cameron is death.

          • Anonymous says:

            Only recently Scargill went to court to demand that the NUM (i think it was them ) still pay rent on a flat in London for him amongst other perks i cant remember, really good socialist !

    • 250
      Anonymous says:

      I laughed out loud when i heard Milliband come out with that at PMQs ! he used his special Millie Dowler type voice as well !

  11. 15
    Dick Scratcha says:

    How about VAT on newspapers ???? Premium tax on Sky TV subs, 62″ plasma TVs, holidays in Benidorm etc?

    • 20
      Private Eye Troll says:

      Hey, steady on there.

    • 184
      Sir William 17th says:

      If the answer is more taxation, you have asked the wrong question.

      • 242
        I don't do back, left or right says:

        Not always, if you want improved services for everyone, a better economy and a living wage for public sector workers then sometimes you have to put fares or taxes up. I’m not responsible for how much our great spokesman Crow takes home but maybe you should regulate union bosses wages also.

  12. 17
    R Swiper says:

    Where are the Labour health mob? Has Flabbott eaten Burnham for a snack?

  13. 18
    George says:

    Lessons will be learned and nothing will be done.

    This all happened on Labour’s watch so much for the working man.

  14. 19
    Stuart says:

    Will Ed mention the bedroom tax?

  15. 21
    a non says:

    NHS patients suffering?
    At least they don’t have to suffer listening to Milibland at PMQs

  16. 22
    Huhne for Prison says:

    Ed is just avoiding the NHS issue with this bedroom so-called tax bollocks

  17. 23
    Haribo Halfwit says:

    Miliband’s team had 13 years to implement all the policies he’s just discovered under his sofa cushions. No answer.

  18. 25
    Dick Scratcha says:

    Milicock pissing this – Gov is a shambles.

  19. 28
    Plato says:

    Stumbling, bumbling, Ed.

    Get on with it, lad…

  20. 29
    Dick Scratcha says:

    Whatever happened to the men in grey suits? Surely time CMD received a visit?

  21. 31
    Retard-Ed says:

    Another Ed-ism: ‘Clue is in the title: Prime Minister’s Questions.’

  22. 33
    Jen The Blue says:

    Boody awful performance by Milipede.

  23. 34
    PMQ Watch says:

    Fairy god mother ? LOL.

  24. 35
    Dick Scratcha says:

    Tired of Ed’s mock shock

    • 73
      Sid the pocket snake says:

      Yeah he looks like a Virgin who sees a cock for the fist time, Ball’s cock at that.

    • 188
      Britain the ruined country says:

      Tired of that frankenstein look meant to be a smile – sort of – and the unveiling of those tombstone teeth – lots of television exposure of Red Ed will surely turn normal people away from voting for him, well the welfare claimants will keep on voting for the man with the unsustainable money tree of course.

      • 246
        I don't do back, left or right says:

        He’s a neo-Keynsian planner and grower, the sort a tory laissez-faire Lord Salisbury crowd would not get.

  25. 36
    Jen The Blue says:

    Sorry, that’s bloody.

  26. 38
    Dick Scratcha says:

    Bank levy not enough Cam – crank it up again

  27. 39
    Bert Camus says:

    My auntie lives in Hull .

    What is going to happen to her now ?

  28. 40
    Gawd Help Us says:

    That’ll be a wasted journey.

  29. 41
    Observer says:

    Twatson and Fabbott sitting together on the back bench. I never thought I would ever feel sorry for a bench.

  30. 42
    Dick Scratcha says:

    How long have we been re-negotiating the CAP? 40+ years? Good luck.

  31. 43
    Dick Scratcha says:

    Are hookers tax deductible in respect of the bedroom tax?

  32. 44
    Stella Khans says:

    So, like does this mean that they will tax me on the number of bedrooms I have?

  33. 45
    PMQ Watch says:

    Flexibility in agriculture, like bendy banana’s ?

  34. 47
    Jayne says:

    But if you are not in a hospital Cammy thinks it’s ok to kill you off if you have terminal cancer by declaring you fit for work???
    WTF has this country become?

  35. 48
    Dick Scratcha says:

    Leicester??? Fuck off Cam. He belongs in York.

    • 56
      Hannibal from Carthage says:

      Is it true the police are speaking to the Queen under caution following the discovery of the body of RIchard 111 ?

  36. 49
    Richard the Turd of the House of York says:

    Guess where they’re gonna bury me?

  37. 50
    Dick Scratcha says:

    Maude nicley suppressed a yawn then. 9/10

  38. 51
    Loopy Lou says:

    So Dave is going to the EU to discuss cutting budgets .

    He says the discussions will be ” very difficult ” .

    I think they will be too because no one there speaks to him .

  39. 52
    Raving Loon says:

    Why does everyone defend the NHS when it’s clearly a heap of you know what.

    Just because you believe in universal healthcare doesn’t mean you have to support a government monopoly on medicine.

    • 65
      Haribo Halfwit says:

      Across the entire civilised world, everybody gets treatment and everybody has health cover. Government steps in as a backstop, where mutual societies run through churches, unions etc (and self-payment) does not apply.

      The NHS is nobody else’s ideal solution for universal healthcare.

    • 78
      albacore says:

      Why have there been no trials for murder?
      And I do mean murder, not manslaughter.

  40. 53
    Dick Scratcha says:

    Is Angela Lansbury morphing into the eagle in the Muppets?

  41. 55
    Dick Scratcha says:

    1m extra private sector jobs – yeah right – how many “self employed” getting working tax credits?

  42. 57
    PMQ Watch says:

    ‘Decade in which local hospitals were decimated.’ Nice.

  43. 58
    Election Watcher says:

    Over 400 killed by the NHS over four years ago and still not one prosecution. Why not? If this happened in the private sector those responsible would now be in prison. A clear case of double standards.

    • 100
      Sid the pocket snake says:

      Objective figure, no one knows if these people would not have died anyway. All ops carry a risk and because Stafford is under the spotlight it does not mean anyone was culpable. As for the elderly lady drink water from a flower vase, I heard she was suffering from dementia and drank from it even though jugs of water were there for her. But no one cares about the real truth, often only those with a gripe. Should we microscope the entire NHS to see medical ops risk factors and see who unfortunately died even knowing the risks.

      • 120
        Welsh activist. says:

        And this poor young chap was a raving loon also.


        • 175
          Sid the pocket snake says:

          Yeah it’s a shame for this Londoner in a London hospital and it shows that care is lacking throughout many NHS hospitals. He was not however a dementia patient at Stafford and if you have ever nursed or been on a ward where a relative is suffering from dementia you will know what the poor patients can do to themselves and others.
          It does not detract from the lack of care but it does give a meaning to some of the actions of the dementia patients actions which is seen as staff error rather than the actions of dementia patients who can and do awful things to each other, to others and themselves when staff just turn away for a minute to do another pressing job.

          • Anonymous says:

            My mother had the misfortune to spend time on a dementia ward due to lack of available bed space and whilst I agree that caring for dementia patients is draining it shouldn’t excuse the cruel and heartless actions by nurses that I personally witnessed on these wards.

            They seemed more concerned with yakking and organising their social lives than caring for their patients. This isn’t objective but I’d split them as follows -:

            30% – very good
            30% – acceptable
            40% – slovenly slatterns who should be summarily fired

            Oh, and is it part of current nursing requirements to be an overweight slob? Never saw a thin nurse – plenty of fit, young female docs mind.

          • Anonymous says:

            You have to ask what the relatives were doing when all this was going on, i mean, im not excusing the nurses but you wouldnt sit back, knowing your relative was lying in a wet bed for ages for example, would you ?

      • 190
        Sir William 17th says:

        No, these were ‘surplus deaths’, beyond what might normally have been expected.

  44. 59
    Dick Scratcha says:

    If you want to reduce suicide, sort the economy Cam.

    • 71
      The Anglo Saxon says:

      Don’t you mean, Repair the damaged economy as quick as you can, left to us by the Liebour party.

      • 249
        I don't do back, left or right says:

        No stop sucking off Cameron. He’s a stingy tosser who doesn’t believe in economic growth.

  45. 60

    Bum sex. We all have it in us.

  46. 61
    P l e b says:

    What does the NHS Chief Executive SIR David Nicholson do for a living?

  47. 62
    Dick Scratcha says:

    Shock horror! Councils acting politically! Only an aristoliberal like Cam would believe otherwise. #CMDindreamland

  48. 64
    Huhne for Prison says:

    Most Labour MPs completely obsessed with entitlements paid for by taxpayer

  49. 66
    Dick Scratcha says:

    Overseas aid budget. Where do I start? FFS. Cam out. Real tory in please.

    • 145
      Living in 97% white Merseyside says:

      By a real Tory I presume you mean one who employs their family or their mistress or house-boy as SPADs at taxpayers expense?

      • 213
        Us lot says:

        Actually we prefer the Baroness Scotland approach – illegal immigrants – so we don’t have to pay them.

  50. 68
    richardj says:

    Nice to see the liberals following in the traditions of Jeremy Thorpe!

  51. 69
    Dick Scratcha says:

    Flynn is one of those teddys from Star Wars.

  52. 72
    Huhne for Prison says:

    Lorelei Burt-dead man walking

    • 251
      I don't do back, left or right says:

      Yeah you’re right, Labour are gonna take Solihull in 2015. And all of the other tory havens, as they want public investment not despair.

  53. 76
    Dick Scratcha says:

    …but at £41,450 we start paying 40% Cam you twat

  54. 77
    PMQ Watch says:

    Raising minimum tax threshold would help the economy a lot, and is a dagger close to the heart of Labour.

    • 253
      I don't do back, left or right says:

      Yes but what about paying a living wage and reinstating lost public sector jobs?

  55. 79
    Dick Scratcha says:

    The late Zac Goldsmith. Good of him to turn up in time.

  56. 81
    Fatbutt says:

    Chicken rice and da fooking peeeeeeeea!

  57. 81
    Dick Scratcha says:

    Oh fuck off Abbott!

    Troilist marriage next? Bestial after that? FFS.

  58. 83
    Steve Miliband says:

    Do the seats have extra reinforcement in that area?

    • 255
      I don't do back, left or right says:

      Your personal rights about Diane Abbott are ironic given the overweight greedy toffs running the place. And she’s right about equalities. TOO MANY RACISTS etc here.

  59. 84
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    I see ed ‘ working in progress’ militwit made another hash of pmq’s today banging on about a housing tax when he meant a housing benefit reduction.

    He’s not going to convince people that he’s fit to be in charge of the economy when he so publicly displays that he doesn’t know the difference between a tax and a benefit!!

  60. 85
    Plato says:

    That new haircut makes her look fatter..

  61. 86
    PMQ Watch says:

    Fatbot bending the arc of history: She sat on it.

    • 256
      I don't do back, left or right says:

      No I think the tory frontbench did, it’ll soon bend back straight.

  62. 87
    Dick Scratcha says:

    Agreed – East Yorks treated like shit in comparison to shouty areas like Scouseland & Londonistan.

    • 160
      Living in 97% white Merseyside says:

      How dare you liken our very, very British city of Liverpool with that multi-cultural cesspit that is Londistan.

      I almost weep when I see London’s great buildings and institutions and think they are now in a city where white Britons are in the minority.

      • 257
        I don't do back, left or right says:

        And I stand shoulder to shoulder with Diane and rejoice in our diversity.

  63. 89
    Carlos says:

    I’ve come to realise that people get the government that they deserve.

    Pooves Partnerships, benefits for all, and crooks in parliament. Meanwhile the economy is being stuffed, and foreign dictators subsidised at the expense of our own pensioners.

    Maybe sharia law might not be so bad after all.

  64. 93
    Dick Scratcha says:

    Pubic sector still way too big – get on with it FFS.

  65. 94
    Huhne for Prison says:

    Thank you for your application Brooks

  66. 96
    Sarah says:

    I hate Labour – those sneering bastards.

    They set fire to the house & then have the front to criticise the firebrigade for being late.

    Immigrants, public sector workers, postal votes – add Dave Cameron into the mix & you can see these disgusting hypocrits being in power again.

    Still, whats the difference – Blue Labour or Red Labour?

    • 103
      Joe says:

      Arrr yes the LibLabCon, one arse with two cheeks.

    • 105
      Carlos says:

      The difference is the rate of decline into oblivion. Red will be faster but then the IMF supervised recovery will start sooner and maybe the debt hole might be a tad smaller.

  67. 98
    Displaced Brummie says:

    Come on, Labourites! Spin this as being all the fault of those wicked Tories!

    Labour = The truly nasty party.

    Labour = Granny killers.

    Gillian Duffy was lucky. Gordon Brown only insulted her. Labour killed dozens of other grannies…

  68. 99
    Huhne for Prison says:

    “Cogntive behaviour therapy” no doubt paid for by taxpayer. Let the bloody room out dear

    • 126
      VERITAS says:

      The seeat that Goodman sit for as an MP has the highest percentage of benefit claimants in the North of England a thoirdd of them suffering from some mental illness mainly depression it is also has one of the highest Labour majorities in the country,Vote Labour keep the benefits rolling in!

  69. 101
    PMQ Watch says:

    FFS: Labour and Bedroom tax: FFS.

    Cognitive Behavior Therapy: You keep a diary about how crap your life is, and then discuss it with someone to see the positives.


    • 131
      VERITAS says:

      There are no positives about living in Bishop Auckland,being thick,lacking ambition and content to live on benefits the rest of your life I could live on 24 quid a week easily ,I bet she spends another 40quid on fags,lottery tickets and the bingo halls,we have to end this benefit?dependent culture once and for all.

      • 146
        (I don't need no doctor) says:

        Tattoos, piercings, etc.

      • 168
        Living in 97% white Merseyside says:

        My fags now come to over fifty quid a week. Still I can afford them with my benefits and pensions.

        Going to pop into John Lewis this pm. No need for me to shop at T J Hughes anymore.

  70. 102
    Dick Scratcha says:

    ‘Cognitive behaviour therapy’ FFS! Well there’s a saving for a start – scrap treatment. Did they have it in the 1920s?

    We. are. mad.


    • 138
      VERITAS says:

      Dirk spot on I would like to give some of the bloggers on here a tour of the sink estates in the NE its the third world because for far too long succesive governments have been content to dole out the benefit money without tackling the real problem that there are fcukers who just dont want to work,better themselves and their families as long as there are daft b…..ds pay ing for it.

      • 172
        Living in 97% white Merseyside says:

        Darras Hall, Jesmond, Gosforth, Tynemouth, Whitley Bay and Benton? Or is it Denton?

        • 194
          VERITAS says:

          Get back to Binns and watching the Rock of Gibraltar crumble just like your fireproof pensions

  71. 106
    The Anglo Saxon says:

    That last shot of Leibour front row says a lot about their female members dress sense. Why does she dress like a tramp ?

  72. 107
    NHS Watch says:

    Staffordshire statement: Almost constitutes a war crime.

    Some in Labour should be prosecuted over this.

  73. 108
    Dick Scratcha says:

    Modern myths & taboos:

    NHS staff are great.

    The Queen does a great job.

    Multi-culturalism is beneficial to the UK.

    We should respect all religious opinion.

  74. 110
    NHS Watch says:

    Where is A Burnham ?

  75. 113
    Anonymous says:

    Some like to think & say that the NHS is the best health service in the world. Anyone that he seen other countries health systems would note that this world class claim is nonsense! For one it costs too much to run & cab never meet the expectations of the Government or the public. The Conservatives have made a good start it modernising the NHS but ultimately the idea of the a completely free service will disappear as the funds to maintain the service are just not available.

    • 129
      NHS Watch says:


      The notion that things like health / education and other public services support are the best is a false propaganda.

      What is true is that they are among the most expensive and inefficient.

    • 130
      Carlos says:

      The sheeple equate ‘the best’ with ‘free’. The fact that it’s paid by the few that work on the UK and pay taxes, but used by half of europe is overlooked.

    • 141
      Fishy says:

      A few years ago a German travel insurer issued instructions that any of their nationals taken ill in the UK should be repatriated for treatment as a priority, rather than be treated in the NHS.

      Miliband says that Stafford shouldn’t have had Foundation Status. It was Burnham that recommended it. Burnham should be sacked immediately.

    • 153
      Billericay Dickey says:

      “A good start” – nonsense.

      The proposed reforms will do nothing to provide a proper health system. All that will happen is that many of the existing vested interests will remain and a few new ones added – the ones that have bought Cameron.

      Patient care will remain appalling.

    • 180
      Anonymous says:

      Targets will never work in a care giving environment. It is stupid to think that care can be numerically represented. It is also stupid to think that investigations afterwards will see anything wrong.

      It is also especially needed in a confidential environment that must ban recording equipment of all types. They are free from observation, and they know it.

      What is needed is immediate oversight. That is confidential, independent random, inspection. Imagine magistrates, but their job is to observe. They are limited to only a few years.

      (Cameron: “Whistle-blowers what acknowledgement”. Then why did he not answer? Why does he continue to support the daily libelling of one?)

      • 219
        Catty Comment (Ms) says:

        “immediate oversight” – yes, that used to be provided by what were known as “that battleaxe” (or more politely the Matron).

  76. 117
    Joe says:

    Brillo had a hair cut or is he doing a Terry Wogen with his many syrups of various lengths?

  77. 119
    Haribo Halfwit says:

    Today seems like an opportunity to destroy some myths and recast a system shown to condone failure, negligence and avoidable morbidity.

  78. 135
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    If Burnham had a shred of decency he would resign. I fear he has no decency what so ever.

  79. 137
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    You really do need treatment.

  80. 143
    Mine d'Boggles says:

    It isn’t just Stafford or Liverpool – remember Maidstone (as I mentioned in the previous out-of-date thread).

  81. 144
    Retard-Ed says:

    And now Mr. Speaker, I shall shamelessly not accept that the honorable gentleman behind me is responsible, and stand shamelessly on the grave of those who died in horrific ways to make a fairly pi$$ poor point which serves no purpose.

  82. 147
    Fishy says:

    Yes. It’s easy to see that you are (sick).

  83. 148
    hank the cat says:

    Why has Burnam not been prosecuted? he is responsible albeit indirectly for the deaths of these patients.

    • 195
      Billericay Dickey says:

      “responsible” is not a word that applies to contemporary politicians.

      The correct usage is to talk of “lessons learned” and “systemic failure”.

      Never, ever to do with personal responsibility – where would it all end?

    • 220
      Catty Comment (Ms) says:

      Should that not also include the “Chair” of the Trust/Board and all the rest of those at the top on the big fat cat salaries?

  84. 150
    hank the cat says:

    You make me sick you driveling halfwit

  85. 157
    (I don't need no doctor) says:


  86. 158
    Plato says:

    It’s actually spelt with a double “l” – I suspect it’s D R I V E that’s your problem.

    • 221
      Helpful serf says:

      Yes, operating a motorised vehicle is verboten herein. Spell it dr*ve, then it gets through.

  87. 162
    Koba says:

    It sounds like the NHS is run just like a death factory. Some people have being say this for some years and have been proved right.

    • 171
      NHS Watch says:

      There is an economic incentive for the state to kill off elderly in particular.

      Saves on both ongoing health care costs, pensions etc.

      This is totally unacceptable of course on moral and ethical grounds: But that is essentially what happened here.

  88. 163
    Frank Dobson says:

    It wasn’t my fault. I was only in charge.

  89. 167
    NHS Watch says:

    Litigation is the final and only way of guaranteeing that the hospital management actually do what they need to. Dobson should really question the impact on clinical care as has been studied in the US. In particular, the trend that this leads to of doctors prescribing painkillers unnecessarily.

  90. 170
    The BBC are cunts says:

    It was all Thatcher’s fault.

    • 222
      Helpful serf says:

      Blimey! Don’t tell me the downtrodden masses are at last beginning to wake up as to what actually happened over those 13 years of hell? Now all we have to do is to get them to change their voting habits (or, better still, forbid them from making their mark on the ballot paper).

    • 240
      EdButLookBalls says:

      retardED is WIMP not a WIP!

  91. 173
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    Accountability – Does Burnham know the meaning of the word?

    Labour have called repeatedly for the resignation of labour ministers. So why when a labour minister, at the time, is ultimately responsible for patient deaths, does Ed Miliband not sack Burnham.

    • 223
      Helpful serf says:

      Did you mean Conservative ministers? Oh and by the way there is no ‘o’ in your first word.

  92. 185
    NHS Watch says:

    Propaganda: ‘We all love the NHS’

    Why is that always trundled out. No one should ‘love’ the NHS.

    The only thing which is important is that the service which we pay for does what it says, and in this specific case upholds its vocational and ethical responsibilities.

  93. 191
    Private Eye says:


    Minister for war in nude romps with good-time girls.

  94. 192
    P l e b says:

    Don’t forget Cameron claimed DLA

  95. 198
    Cuthbert Gaddabout says:

    So you think privatising the NHS would make it all better then, do you?

    Where the only criteria for care was how much profit you were going to make out of a patient. This becomes the guiding force within the NHS

    So what about all the people with complicated, expensive conditions? You reckon private companies are gonna want all those cases then?

    Take it from me, if you go down that road people will die because they cost too much to treat properly.

    • 199
      P l e b says:

      I got leukaemia. My chemotherapy in tablet form costs £20k+ per year, for life.
      No way on this earth would my company BUPA scheme cover that.

      NHS rules when you get cancer, chaps.

      • 209
        CarryHole is a Dismal Hunt says:

        Why not?

        Most company insurance schemes pay wages of staff when they get ill.

        In fact you can buy special cancer insurance. Begging for your ration of treatment from the NHS kills.

        NHS lack of care (GP disinterested in stomach lumps ) is most likely going to kill a acquaintance of mine from cancer.

      • 210
        hank the cat says:


    • 205
      CarryHole is a Dismal Hunt says:

      On the NHS you’re a cost, and costs are minimised…

      Catastrophic insurance plus non-state treatment is the answer.

      The state could even subsidise insurance (up to the level required for a non-overweight, non-smoker who keeps themselves fit).

      NHS Kills. That’s the basic outcome of the report. No amount of tinkering with something on the historically wrong side of the Berlin wall can fix it.

  96. 214
    HenryV says:

    What you are all saying then is Labour’s great experiment in public health that hoovers up nearly half of HMG’s spending and basically stuffed the economy is a bit of failure?

  97. 226
    Postal Votes are Labour Loo Paper says:

    And the lefty scumbags say you can’t trust the Tories on the NHS!!!!!!!!!! What a joke- but it isn’t funny when so many thick cnuts believe it.

  98. 227
    Catty Comment (Ms) says:

    Perhaps it would suffice if the NHS were to set out a chart of what they will treat on the service? Things like boob jobs, nose reconfiguring, varicose veins, liposuction, artificial limbs etc etc should be excluded (all these and other elective surgery can be done privately at patients’ own cost or insurance) and only “proper” medical complaints and conditions included.

    The system should be configured so that only serious cases ever get to a hospital – starting with a GP, then if necessary referral to a local small clinic, and only then if the clinic is not equipped to deal with it, on to a hospital.

    Walk in A&Es should be carefully monitored for only serious emergencies – that excludes dealing with druggies and drunks when the pubs turn out, twisted ankles, sprained wrists, headaches, coughs etc which should all be dealt with at GP or in extremis clinic level.

    There are far too many people turning up at hospitals for complaints which do not really need that level of attention. These people clutter the place up and interfere with processing those who are in more urgent need of attention.

  99. 261
    Ennery says:

    Heads on pikes
    may lead to strikes,
    not staff demanding pay
    ’tis patients’ rights
    should stir the fight
    and happen right away

  100. 262
    fitz fitz says:

    The Royal (?) College of Nursing (? ) …

  101. 263
    Worried says:

    Couple of thoughts…………………Should Corporate Manslaughter legislation be applied to the Public Sector?

    Was a lack of English speaking staff a factor in breakdown in communication between staff and patients?

  102. 266
    fitz fitz says:

    Next week the Nursing and Midwifery Council will hear the case of Bulgarian-born Bonka Kostova, who is accused of abusing an unnamed patient at Stafford Hospital in July 2010. The registered midwife, who was working in Ward 6 as a health care support worker, is accused of “using her body weight” to push the patient into a bathroom and on to a lavatory, then “pulled him out of the bathroom in a state of undress”.
    When another nurse tried to intervene, Miss Kostova allegedly “raised her voice and/or shouted ‘I hate you’ and ‘You are no longer a human being but an animal’ or words to that effect”, according to papers lodged at the Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC).
    Biju Reni, a registered nurse on Ward 2, is accused of failing to provide adequate care to three patients during night shifts in 2008 and 2010. During a morning shift in June 2010, s

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