February 5th, 2013

Gay Marriage Passes 400 Votes to 175

According to PA the following voted against gay marriage:

Nigel Adams (Selby & Ainsty), Adam Afriyie (Windsor), Peter Aldous (Waveney), David Amess (Southend West), James Arbuthnot (Hampshire North East), Richard Bacon (Norfolk South), Steven Baker (Wycombe), Tony Baldry (Banbury), Guto Bebb (Aberconwy), Henry Bellingham (Norfolk North West), Sir Paul Beresford (Mole Valley), Andrew Bingham (High Peak), Bob Blackman (Harrow East), Graham Brady (Altrincham & Sale West), Angie Bray (Ealing Central & Acton), Julian Brazier (Canterbury), Andrew Bridgen (Leicestershire North West), Steve Brine (Winchester), Fiona Bruce (Congleton), Robert Buckland (Swindon South), Simon Burns (Chelmsford), David Burrowes (Enfield Southgate), Alun Cairns (Vale of Glamorgan), Douglas Carswell (Clacton), Bill Cash (Stone), Rehman Chishti (Gillingham & Rainham), Christopher Chope (Christchurch), Geoffrey Clifton-Brown (Cotswolds, The), Geoffrey Cox (Devon West & Torridge), Stephen Crabb (Preseli Pembrokeshire), David Davies (Monmouth), Glyn Davies (Montgomeryshire), Philip Davies (Shipley), David Davis (Haltemprice & Howden), Nick de Bois (Enfield North), Caroline Dinenage (Gosport), Richard Drax (Dorset South), Charlie Elphicke (Dover), Jonathan Evans (Cardiff North), David Evennett (Bexleyheath & Crayford), Michael Fallon (Sevenoaks), Dr Liam Fox (Somerset North), Mark Francois (Rayleigh & Wickford), George Freeman (Norfolk Mid), Roger Gale (Thanet North), Sir Edward Garnier (Harborough), Mark Garnier (Wyre Forest), Cheryl Gillan (Chesham & Amersham), John Glen (Salisbury), Robert Goodwill (Scarborough & Whitby), James Gray (Wiltshire North), Andrew Griffiths (Burton), Robert Halfon (Harlow), Simon Hart (Carmarthen West & Pembrokeshire South), Sir Alan Haselhurst (Saffron Walden), John Hayes (South Holland & The Deepings), Oliver Heald (Hertfordshire North East), Gordon Henderson (Sittingbourne & Sheppey), Philip Hollobone (Kettering), Adam Holloway (Gravesham), Sir Gerald Howarth (Aldershot), Stewart Jackson (Peterborough), Gareth Johnson (Dartford), David Jones (Clwyd West), Marcus Jones (Nuneaton), Greg Knight (Yorkshire East), Kwasi Kwarteng (Spelthorne), Mark Lancaster (Milton Keynes North), Pauline Latham (Derbyshire Mid), Andrea Leadsom (Northamptonshire South), Phillip Lee (Bracknell), Jeremy Lefroy (Stafford), Edward Leigh (Gainsborough), Charlotte Leslie (Bristol North West), Julian Lewis (New Forest East), David Lidington (Aylesbury), Peter Lilley (Hitchin & Harpenden), Jack Lopresti (Filton & Bradley Stoke), Jonathan Lord (Woking), Tim Loughton (Worthing East & Shoreham), Karen Lumley (Redditch), Karl McCartney (Lincoln), Anne McIntosh (Thirsk & Malton), Stephen McPartland (Stevenage), Esther McVey (Wirral West), Anne Main (St Albans), Paul Maynard (Blackpool North & Cleveleys), Stephen Metcalfe (Basildon South & Thurrock East), Nicky Morgan (Loughborough), Anne-Marie Morris (Newton Abbot), David Morris (Morecambe & Lunesdale), James Morris (Halesowen & Rowley Regis), Bob Neill (Bromley & Chislehurst), Caroline Nokes (Romsey & Southampton North), David Nuttall (Bury North), Stephen O’Brien (Eddisbury), Matthew Offord (Hendon), Jim Paice (Cambridgeshire South East), Neil Parish (Tiverton & Honiton), Priti Patel (Witham), Owen Paterson (Shropshire North), Mark Pawsey (Rugby), Mike Penning (Hemel Hempstead), Mark Pritchard (Wrekin, The), John Randall (Uxbridge & Ruislip South), John Redwood (Wokingham), Jacob Rees-Mogg (Somerset North East), Simon Reevell (Dewsbury), Sir Malcolm Rifkind (Kensington), Andrew Robathan (Leicestershire South), Laurence Robertson (Tewkesbury), Andrew Rosindell (Romford), David Ruffley (Bury St Edmunds), David Rutley (Macclesfield), Andrew Selous (Bedfordshire South West), Alec Shelbrooke (Elmet & Rothwell), Sir Richard Shepherd (Aldridge-Brownhills), Henry Smith (Crawley), Sir John Stanley (Tonbridge & Malling), John Stevenson (Carlisle), Bob Stewart (Beckenham), Mel Stride (Devon Central), Julian Sturdy (York Outer), Robert Syms (Poole), Sir Peter Tapsell (Louth & Horncastle), David Tredinnick (Bosworth), Andrew Turner (Isle of Wight), Shailesh Vara (Cambridgeshire North West), Martin Vickers (Cleethorpes), Ben Wallace (Wyre & Preston North), Robert Walter (Dorset North), James Wharton (Stockton South), Heather Wheeler (Derbyshire South), Craig Whittaker (Calder Valley), John Whittingdale (Maldon), Bill Wiggin (Herefordshire North), Gavin Williamson (Staffordshire South), Rob Wilson (Reading East), Jeremy Wright (Kenilworth & Southam).

Tellers: Peter Bone (Wellingborough) and Therese Coffey (Suffolk Coastal).

5 of the above went through both lobbies: Angie Bray, Andrea Leadsom, Phillip Lee, Charlotte Leslie, Rob Wilson.

Labour MPs nasayers:

Joe Benton (Bootle), Ronnie Campbell (Blyth Valley), Tom Clarke (Coatbridge, Chryston & Bellshill), Rosie Cooper (Lancashire West), David Crausby (Bolton North East), Tony Cunningham (Workington), Jim Dobbin (Heywood & Middleton), Brian Donohoe (Ayrshire Central), Robert Flello (Stoke-on-Trent South), Mary Glindon (Tyneside North), Paul Goggins (Wythenshawe & Sale East), Dai Havard (Merthyr Tydfil & Rhymney), Michael McCann (East Kilbride, Strathaven & Lesmahagow), Jim McGovern (Dundee West), Iain McKenzie (Inverclyde), George Mudie (Leeds East), Paul Murphy (Torfaen), Stephen Pound (Ealing North), Frank Roy (Motherwell & Wishaw), Jim Sheridan (Paisley & Renfrewshire North), Derek Twigg (Halton), Mike Wood (Batley & Spen).

Four Lib Dem MPs voted against the Government:

Sir Alan Beith (Berwick-upon-Tweed), Gordon Birtwistle (Burnley), John Pugh (Southport) and Ms Teather, the MP for Brent Central.

Guido raised an eyebrow at 3 names above he believes may not be entirely hetrosexual. Very brave given the menacing comments from the gay lobby…


  1. 1

    We’re all queers together!

  2. 2

    We’re all quееrs together!

    • 110
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Hi SC – hows it hanging?

      • 115

        Do you want to get married BW?

        We can probably get a grant, or do I mean a grunt?

        (I am CRMM BTW, Not SC. Lots of people get us confused.)

        • 195
          Blowing Whistles says:

          Ok – You’re not SC – but some of your comments are as inane and up your own jacksy as SC’s.

          I refer you to a quote made by gogog in minus 1313 a manuscript which you know nothing about and cannot prove – so there.

          Deal with the HERE AND NOW buster. Deal with the publics pensions having been robbed from the people (especially throughout the reign of terror and don’t think the tory boys weren’t on that labour gravytrain either) by the mismanagment of ALL of the political and their city-type / banker friends – why the hell do you think ALL politicians suck up to banks and their paymasters?

          Oh has therE been ONE CRIMINAL INDICTMENT against ONE BANKER in the UK since the 2008 exposure ….. ughhh NO. Now why … think man think – why would that be?

    • 424
      T'Old Fella says:

      There is no other phrase that can be employed, “What a gay day!” I am glad now that I have got that out of my system, I cannot understnd why they want to “marry” they have civil partnership, if it goes through, it will open a huge can of worms and the lawyers will be rubbing their hands with glee, all those rich gays, a huge untapped source of income.

      • 448
        Airey Belvoir says:

        It’s a pity that those useful old descriptions “not the marrying kind’ and ‘confirmed bachelor’ will now become obsolete.

  3. 3

    Is Going though both lobbies a new euphemism?

    • 28
      Only Three says:

      They probably didn’t know if they were coming or going.

    • 112
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Who are you and do you really know or have you got a split personality problem?

      Dr Jekyl & Dr Hyde?

      • 116

        Hold on! You are the one that uses multiple monikers. I saw you having a conversation with yourself as Not Blowing Whistles. Very Hegelian, I must say…

        • 204
          Blowing Whistles says:

          You are very very mistaken and wrong there buster. But nice try. I don’t know who NBW is – save to say that they have become some kind of shadow of mine – AND GUIDO DAMNED WELL KNOWS IT.

        • 227
          Anonymous says:

          in the world of central parting by the backdoor, beware the innocent.
          for you will be parted into 2. bw, nbw.
          give up, for this game is for the gods not mere mortals.
          i wish you you peace….not poss. Like many, I wish you protection from harm, harmony. not the monied harmoni of the health service. after anger comes, acceptance then bargining followed by depression. take the pill and accept that human emotion is cheap. calm action is what you should aspire too, watch death in paradise. become a no. 4, manage the 3 emotions that blind you.1. i am number one delusion. 2. all i want is peace 3. i am as invincible as god. thankfully when we are not mental we are all no. 4. but the world is so mental until you take a leap of imagination and also follow that up with duty. it is not happening. step 1 anger….leads to getting hurt. step 2…leads to accident. step 3…bargaining…you will have no chips when you get to this stage, you never did….stage 4 depression. you cannot even manage 1 and you want to be level 4. really and truly.

          It is no. 4 who drinks…and he is ahead of the rest. reality is for the novice despite the elatory victories you had at all levels of the judiciary. you have peaked, shed a skin and go on a tangent, or join the club of those whom you feel victimised by. you are locked into the illusion of what is natural justice. be lucky or licki. chant ram, ram correctly under your breath and you will be peace. see every act of yours as a donation to god, any god – human, part celestial or celestial and it will give you mercy and also make you merciful. all gods good or bad love donation…money, energy or your soul….please them.

          • Bum Sex Over The Rainbow says:

            Forget that and get your pants off. This thing is bigger than both of us.

          • Is it time for us all to grow porn moustaches? says:

            You hold him…

          • Blowing Whistles says:

            Anony – You need to get out more and take a lot of fresh air in – what with a loopy twisted incoherent piece of garbled crap like that.

            You is cuckoo.

        • 348
          Not Blowing Whistles says:

          @BW is half right. I am not him, and Guido would have the IPs to back that up. But I am not shadowing him or have any agenda to work against.

          NBW is the anti-thesis to the BW thesis: Together we are synthesis, and for BW at least NBW is a good confuser for the trolls.

          • Is it time for us all to grow porn moustaches? says:

            …and the trolled shall become trolls and the trolls become trolled. ;-)

        • 474
          Anonymous says:

          Good to see that someone has found him out – at last!

    • 140
      Bryfronts says:

      I don’t need to get married to get my ring on another guys finger

      • 269
        Cranky old git says:

        Rabelais tells of a man approached by the devil in a dream: Old Nick said ‘As long as you wear this ring, your wife will never be unfaithful.’ The guy accepted it gratefully and put it on – then woke up with his finger stuck up his wife’s you know what.

  4. 4
    domino316 says:

    Gomorrahs another day !!

  5. 5
    Big Brother Dave says:

    “It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words.”

  6. 7
    genghiz the kahn says:

    The 16 Labour MPs who did not vote were: Dame Anne Begg (Aberdeen South), Gordon Brown (Kirkcaldy & Cowdenbeath), Alex Cunningham (Stockton North), Bill Esterson (Sefton Central), Pat Glass (Durham North West), Roger Godsiff (Birmingham Hall Green), David Heyes (Ashton Under Lyne), Jim Hood (Lanark & Hamilton East), Khalid Mahmood (Birmingham Perry Barr), Michael Meacher (Oldham West & Royton), Ian Mearns (Gateshead), Yasmin Qureshi (Bolton South East), Virendra Sharma (Ealing Southall), Gavin Shuker (Luton South), Stephen Timms (East Ham), Shaun Woodward (St Helens South & Whiston).

  7. 9
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    Talk about naval gazing!1

    It’s good the vote was passed. We are all equal in God’s eyes.

    BUT what was Dave doing promoting this bill, irrelevant to most of the electorate , when he should be concentrating on the economy, immigration, health and education, which it what bothers most of us!!

  8. 11
    Guy Martin to win TT2013 says:

    Have a look at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21346220, skip down to the comments.

    Compare and contrast the “Editor’s picks” with “Highest rated”

  9. 12
    Call me Dave mincing into oblivion says:

    Next I will pass a bill banning boom and bust, and making U-turns a cast iron necessity

  10. 15
    Rt. Hon Peter Lilley MP says:

    I’d be very careful there if I were you.

  11. 16
    Dave (or the last Tory leader ever) says:

    Please sign this petition, its only fair if three or more people want to marry they should be able to.


    • 37
      ████ ' change my tune' Hoon says:

      Polygamy !! Why didn’t I think of that ?

    • 359
      WoRaft says:

      I think it is much more important that elderly parents should be able to marry their children so that they can avoid IHT.

      I see no reason why, if I can marry the girl next door, I shouldn’t be able to marry my own younger sister who has looked after me, or my daughter. Consumation isn’t defined or compulsory; as long as I don’t do anything illegal sexually, I see no reason why I shouldn’t marry them if they are consenting.

      Consanguinity may be a good reason to prohibit intercourse (or maybe not, since I can’t get pregnant by my sister) but that’s got nothing to do with marrying. All you have to do is make a declaration stating that this is my lawful wedded other half, and that’s it. What that may mean in practice is between the two – or more – of us.

      • 431
        T'Old Fella says:

        unfortunately as Guido will tell you one of the few things that the RCC accepts as legitimate reasons for divorce, is non consummation

  12. 17
    Cunning Stunt says:

    May Divorce be with you.

  13. 18
    Barnehurst Bob says:

    The economy is flat-lining, we’ve got troops on the ground in three countries, I’m a dinner jacket has a stealth fighter, the north Koreans are about to detonate a nuclear weapon. I could go on. What makes the metro sexual elite think I’m more interested in the difference between gay marriage and civil partnerships.

    • 151
      Horse stalk...what from the Labour Party? says:

      Perhaps it’s not about you. It’s about promoting real love, even if you and I do not recognise it.

      • 297
        Anonymous says:

        I love my dog – I don’t expect to be able to marry it.

        Roll on the Caliphate – at least we’ll get less of the gay drama queens and their never ending list of “rights”.

      • 406
        Friends of IDS says:

        You may be interested in this:

        Extend UK Civil Partnership Scheme to Polyamorous Individuals

        Responsible department: Ministry of Justice

        The legalisation of same-sex marriage will render the current civil partnership system redundant. However, we the undersigned would like to see an investigation into the opening of the civil partnership scheme to multiple partners: specifically, to committed relationships of three to five people.

        The law needs to recognise the changing nature of families and relationships in modern Britain. At present ‘polyamorous’ people (those in loving relationships of more than two people) are denied the same rights as our monogamous counterparts: to visit our partners in hospital, to keep custody of our children, coverage for insurance and inheritance, and all other protections afforded to civil partnered couples.

        As of 2012 Brazil has recognised unions of three people. We believe that the United Kingdom’s civil partnership system is well-placed to provide British polyamorous families with equal protection under the law.

        • 412
          Equality for All says:

          In order to avoid IHT on my estate I should be able to marry my Tortoise?

          Come on Mr Camoron, you know it’s the right thing to do!

          I know it wasn’t in your manifesto, but that’s never stopped you!

          Reply from Dave C: I hear what you’re saying, but I’ve had no instructions from Brussels HQ on this.

    • 315
      Iroq the casbah says:

      You didn’t look at the pictures of that stealth fighter too closely, did you?

      It’s stealthy all right – you’ll never ever see it flying.

  14. 20
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    So gordon wasn’t there then? Not much of a surprise – he put in his once a year appe@rance the other week on a non-subject. No doubt he’ll do the same thing next year!

    There should be a rule that says MP’s must attend the HoC for at least 70% of the time that it sits in order to get paid. Until there is we shall have skivers like gordon!!

  15. 22
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Must be a coincidence that Britain and France are considering laws on gay marriage – must be fear of ECHR cases or something dreamt up by Brussels.

    Cameron is just rubber stamping proposals from the Eurocrats – it has bugger all to do with principles.

    • 161
      Anonymous says:

      He could just be obeying orders from Obama – or Blair.

    • 377
      Reality says:

      Ah, at least one person is on the case, though it actually originated at the UN, not the EU, who are just making sure member states comply with the UNESE directive.

      Yes, you may have guessed, it’s the unelected NWO, one world governance in action And Call Me Dismal is busy sucking it’s proverbial c*ck.

  16. 23
    Peter Expat says:

    Some of the names surprised me too. I noticed the Moroccan tourists !

  17. 26
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    OK so now we have got this non subject out of the way can we expect cameron to start dealing with the major issues of the day ie : the economy, immigration, health and education?

    Anytime soon would be good!!!

    • 51
      Tachybaptus says:

      In short, no.

    • 56
      Where do I stick it says:

      Not quite…..he hasn’t defined the legal definition of consummation of marriage yet. Could get a bit messy there. Definition of Dave: one vote forward, two votes backward

    • 67
      The wizz says:

      Why are we having to put up with all this time spent in parliament for a non-issue, the gay community are a very small proportion of the overall population?
      Meanwhile back at wheel, the majority are experiencing diminishing returns on their incomes, that is not to mention the rising cost of all the essentials required to live. The next GE I will be voting UKIP if only to cause some sort of mayhem.

      • 111
        rebekah aka nellnewman says:

        Thing is wizz we don’t want to vote UKIP in constituencies that will then give labour the seat! It’s all about tactical voting!!

        WE DO not WANT want militwit in no 10 and bullyballs in no 11!

        Having said that I really want to see nigelfarage in the HoC alongside some more UKIP mp’s!!

  18. 27
    Nick Clegg says:

    Now we are on a roll time to get that fucker Stringfellows bus pass shredded

    • 83
      The wizz says:

      I have to inform you that he doesn’t have one, nor does he need it. You really are a pillock (pillock meaning a stone anchor) or is that killick?

  19. 30
    Yawn! says:

    does anyone actually care? The country is on it’s knees and Davina is mincing about bleating on about gay marriage – is he desperate to get out of his marriage of convenience to SamthemanCam or what?

  20. 31
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Well done to Channel 4 News for that old 1957 clip tonight about homosexuals … Did I hear the interviewer state to effect that if the homosexuals get this through they will be going after children …

    It is known that ******x***s do g* ***** and have a predeliction 4 children.

  21. 32
    Croydonlad says:

    Lets just hope that those Tory MP’s who voted against this will now launch a concerted effort to oust Cameron and those around him. For a Conservative leadership to have to pass legislation that relys on the votes of other parties rather than its own MP’s is a disgrace and cannot be tolerated. The next election is lost so they might as well get this out of the way now, force an election sooner rather than later (which they will probably lose) and then get on a reforge a new and authentic Conservative party that truly reflects the values and aspirations of those it claims to.

  22. 34
    Operation Crossbow says:

    I notice the BBC (and Sky) are making a big thing over the Tories who voted against, but it was a FREE VOTE, so MP’s were supposed to be allowed to vote any way they liked, even cabinet ministers.

    It wasn’t part of the Tory or coalition manifesto so I don’t see what the fuss is.

    • 94
      The BBC causes serious mental illness says:

      We are also not reporting that recently the Greek National Broadcasting Council (ESR) has made it illegal to broadcast images of poverty and squalor from Greece without express permission of those filmed:


      (In greek: View in Chrome to Translate.)

      Not that we were going to do that anyway… But does it apply to holiday snaps, and where else in Europe is this being done ?

      This is equivalent of OFCOM saying that those it regulates cannot broadcast images from much of the UK. Unless clear written permission can be produced.

      • 378
        Reality Bites says:

        The Greek government is also threatening to imprison without trial, striking workers who object to unilateral cuts in their pay and conditions of employment. The EU experiment is heading for a very dark and bad place, very quickly.

    • 175
      NE Frontiersman says:

      BBC much less interested to list those Labour MPs who voted against, for some reason.

      • 388
        layberpuffs R us says:

        Well it has been said often enough so you should know! Why would turkeys vote for Christmas? Ponder on it.

  23. 35
    Yawn! says:

    With so many kiddy fiddlers and protectors in the party, he’ll be rushing through laws to make it legal soon will he?

    • 217
      Blowing Whistles says:

      And possibly a retrospective law – ergo – all them former fiddlers may get off too – however – THAT AIN’T GOING TO HAPPEN – NEVER EVER.

  24. 36
    Danlocky says:

    Mike Wood (Batley and Spen) is an absolutely nailed on gay lobbyist – oops, just seen the 2001 Census results. Batley East is 53 PER CENT MUSLIM! Mike knows which side his naan is buttered!

  25. 39
    Danlocky says:

    Sorry, should be 2011 census – it was only about 42% in 2001.

  26. 41
    Anonymous says:

    Dave has destroyed his frickin party, the idiot!

  27. 43
    None of the above V2 says:

    For any Tory MPs who come here for a quick pulse check of the Zeitgeist, a little word …


    Thanks for reading

  28. 44
    s.s. says:

    Cameron has today confirmed he is a one term P.M.

    • 91
      albacore says:

      Dave ain’t much cop when it comes down to spin
      Let alone the job he’s ended up in
      Old folks left to starve to death on his watch
      He’s buggered marriage. What next will he botch?


      • 137
        Not Blowing Whistles says:

        This is in line with current government black policy.

        People are living too long, and are costing too much.

        Such accidents and mistakes are simply the states way of correcting this.

        Most of this does not get reported: If people knew the true extent there would be revolution.

        Recall how many in Germany claimed no knowledge of crematoria ?

        Here is the up to date version, and also precursor to what led to crematoria before. This is not hyperbole.

        • 226
          Blowing Whistles says:

          This is a FIRST – me backing up a comment by NBW.

          There is definately something odd about Dr Davey and Sam Doolittle.

        • 442
          Bollocks to getting a pseudonym says:

          It’s only English people who live too long and cost too much for the ruling classes’ liking.

  29. 45
    Yawn! says:

    Brittan been arrested yet? Of course not!

  30. 54
    Huhne's Shower Soap says:

    Any real Christian who follows the teachings knows, that by and large the “churches” are corrupted anyway.
    Thus, it makes little difference it makes little difference if further defilement is state sanctioned.
    Let’s see how many gayers are brave enough in their conviction in the sanctity of gayering to get married in their local Mosque

    • 70
      Peter Expat says:

      ROTFLMAO !

    • 131
      Blowing Whistles says:

      The churches have been corrupted – there is no doubt. Those who have found their way to the top not all but by majority – are sub-intellectual placemen and women.

      The last Arch o Canty Willo – was – and probably still is a card carrying commie / marxist. But to give him some due – he did lambast the masonbrotherhoodies in the telegraph a few years ago.

  31. 57
    Ding Dong says:

    Professional formatting.

  32. 61
    It's the economy stupid says:

    ‘They [Parliament] are sympathetic towards savers, as J!mmy Sav!le was sympathetic towards ch!ldren’

    Worth a watch second half:


  33. 62

    So Conservative and Unionist has nothing to do with opposition to Irish Home Rule?

  34. 63
    ██████ ' change my tune' Hoon says:

    UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE CENTURY…..’l LibDems are quite duplicitous…

  35. 64
    Anonymous says:

    It would be interesting and illuminating to see a breakdown of nay sayers by religion.

    • 85
      VERITAS says:

      Its clear that the majority of Labour nayers are RC

      • 320
        Anonymous says:

        Or in constituencies with a significant muslim population.

      • 340
        Anonymous says:

        With plenty of muzzie constituents.

      • 443
        Bollocks to getting a pseudonym says:

        I suspect the Labour party leaders allowed some of their MPs a bit of ‘discretion’ if they depend on large numbers of votes from Muslims. They know damn well that the meeja will turn a blind eye to such hypocrisy.

  36. 66
    Saffron says:

    Gay marriage is an abomination of what procreation means,in a nutshell procreation means that you have to have two different sexes to achieve this,because if you do not have this the human race as we know it would not exsist.
    This applies to all species on this earth,now we have a bunch of actually screaming nutters trying to tell us that nature is wrong.
    I for one do not understand what these people are all about,if they want to continue their against nature agenda then let them do that,if they think it will further their case.
    I do not think it will further their case one little bit,as I would think that most decent minded people in this country would be against this.
    Cammoron has again got this wrong,and this is no surprise,the man is a pr suit courting disaster for the Cons,in fact for this ass–le to consider that he is a Con is beyond my Ken.
    This country is now a joke because of LIEBOUR/LIB DEM /Cons policies.
    WE urgently need to consign these assholes to the dustbin of history and look to having people who really represent our interests.
    Will we see this,probably not,as we are now too far gone into this corrupt system of government of the people for the people,as long as it suites the people who govern the people.

    • 97
      Saffron says:

      Gay marriage is an abomination of what procreation means,in a nutshell procreation means that you have to have two different sexes to achieve this,because if you do not have this the human race as we know it would not exsist.
      This applies to all species on this earth,now we have a bunch of actually screaming nutters trying to tell us that nature is wrong.
      I for one do not understand what these people are all about,if they want to continue their against nature agenda then let them do that,if they think it will further their case.
      I do not think it will further their case one little bit,as I would think that most decent minded people in this country would be against this.
      Cammoron has again got this wrong,and this is no surprise,the man is a pr suit courting disaster for the Cons,in fact for this ass–le to consider that he is a Con is beyond my Ken.
      This country is now a joke because of LIEBOUR/LIB DEM /Cons policies.
      WE urgently need to consign these assholes to the dustbin of history and look to having people who really represent our interests.
      Will we see this,probably not,as we are now too far gone into this corrupt system of government of the people for the people,as long as it suites the people who govern the people.

  37. 68
    Fickle Finger of Fate (in my Arse) says:

    Well it will fucking bend with a that flubber on it.

  38. 73
    ROGER MYBUTT says:

    Gay MP’s may contain traces of Horse Meat

  39. 77
    domino316 says:

    The only thing this has proved is that a vocal militant minority can force Government legislation, I’m sure if the Provisional IRA had access to Social Media, Email and got their tentacles into the Civil Service and Media (especially the BBC) they would have had a united Ireland without firing a shot.

    I am now going to text a few friends and start the “Free Yorkshire Movement” where we will noisily demand separatism and create a Tax Free Zone, we might even (though its heresy) join with the Lancastrians and have a kingdom stretching from coast to coast…if it is good enough for Kosovo its good enough for England.

  40. 78
    Call me Dave says:

    So I told Samantha ‘Its mine and ill wash it as fast as I like’

  41. 84
    ROGER MYBUTT says:

    I always thought “Strapadicktome” was a medical operation

  42. 86
    ROGER MYBUTT says:

    WARNING ! Gay MP’s may contain traces of , other MP’s

  43. 88
    More BBC dirty tricks? says:

    For a prime example of how the loony left are still distorting what comes out of the BBC, go to BBC Have Your Say on the Gay marriage topic.

    Conduct an experiment, try to vote on one of the anti Gay marriage comments that have been manipulated into the the lowest vote category and see what happens…

    • 99

      You have to sign up (which I will not do for anyone). What happens if you vote the other way, I wonder?

    • 103
      The BBC causes serious mental illness says:

      Sorry, we mis-typed. It is actually ‘Have our say’.

      All views are equal, so of course yours is ours.

    • 123
      Kevin T says:

      That’s often true but not in this case. Cameron pushed for this, it had bugger all to do with Tatchell & co, if you’ll pardon the expression. I don’t recall any great campaign by the gay rights brigade until it was announced. Then of course they jumped on board.

  44. 93
    Council tennant with a spare room says:

    I look forward to when they make it illegal for Christian churches to turn down gay weddings … then row back like funk when a pair of muslims demand the same rights in a mosque!

  45. 96
    EU Funded pro EU Troll says:

    Vote UKIP.

  46. 106
    Bent Badshow says:
  47. 107
    ROGER MYBUTT says:

    Labour only voted for this to stick it to Camoron
    The tory party is so pissed off with Daisey Cameron , i would expect a leadership challenge very soon

    • 119
      Croydonlad says:

      There has to be a challenge. Failure to do so by those who rebelled will make them seem irrelevant. You cannot have a leadership ignoring so many of its own MP’s. Its a form of contempt. Labour can do it, but not a Conservative party. They need to show some guts and bring this farce of a coalition down.

      • 158
        Horse stalk...what from the Labour Party? says:

        I’m sorry did you hear Yvette Cooper’s passionate but serious speech about the right to marry. You clearly don’t respect the US and French parallel changes and the labour whip. It’s ultra socially conservative labour voters who mess up our competitive economy. Bigots.

      • 432
        Anonnymouse says:

        Why don’t the Conservative naysayers, declare themselves UKIP MPs as representing true Conservatism. ? 124 MPs at a stroke.

    • 451
      Bollocks to getting a pseudonym says:

      If the ConDems hadn’t introduced this Bill, the next Liebore government would have.

  48. 117
    DDC says:

    Good on Gareth Johnson.

  49. 120
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    OK so dave has had his moment of madness over this gay bill. Nothing wrong with it – glad it’s passed – but now it’s time to concentrate on the REAL issues of government .

    The economy, immigration, health and education. Nothing else now matters!!

    • 163
      Horse stalk...what from the Labour Party? says:

      Rebekah I like the post-0BC British ethnicity of your name which underlies all of us, now understand how EU immigration works. Spanish ex-pats get to stay there and use their services, others come here and cannot I repeat cannot legally simply scrounge, it is economically and lawful tenancy wise impossible.

      • 164
        Horse stalk...what from the Labour Party? says:

        That is not to say there are not British people flouting employment laws and breaching accommodation rules, which are criminal offences. That is a police matter.

      • 191
        Kevin T says:

        Sigh. Ex-pats in Spain are 90% OAPs. The Spanish have been flogging us retirement properties for decades, nothing to do with the EU. The rest mostly run their own businesses. Brits are not over there stacking shelves and sending home child support. Any East Europeans who have retired here or started a business (or are genuinely contributing to the economy) are more than welcome. The rest can fuck off and please take a British Europhile back with them.

      • 389
        None of the above V2 says:

        And as you are obviously an expert on these matters explain the difference Mr Horse Stalk if they are classed as self employed through selling 1 Big Issue a week?

        • 438
          Horse stalk...what from the Labour Party? says:

          The difference is they actually sell something and have every incentive to do so or they’d be back home. Most of our ex-pats enjoy the cheaper prices of being over there e.g. italy/france/spain/croatia. Luddites.

  50. 122
    David Cameron: I have an idea says:

    Picture from his campaign says it all really:


  51. 127
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    Just wondering – militwit as pm – bullyballs as chancellor – who will he make foreign office minister? and who will he appoint justice minister?… and on …..

    A militwit government doesn’t really bear thinking about !!

    • 130
      Incapable Vince says:

      I will be Chancellor !!!

    • 171
      William Hill says:

      Wee Doogie at the FO and either Yvette the ladyboy or Harridan Harperson at Justice.

      • 186
        rebekah aka nellnewman says:


        Would be a government worse than Chamberlain’s!!

        • 200
          VERITAS says:

          Actually notwithstanding Chamberlain this was a succesful government.

          • Is it time for us all to grow porn moustaches? says:

            Ah but they didn’t allow bum sex at all.

          • Horse stalk...what from the Labour Party? says:

            Wee doogie would be happy to go fetch lots of arms deals for his balls master. I can see Mandleson working his magic in Europe to win lots of labour funds. As for your outrageous comment about gay sex, get over it, some of both sides of the house are gay and many have not come out, no news.

  52. 128
    Mad, Bad & Dangerous Gordon McRuin ( Member in absentia ) says:

    Vote ? Why bother ?

  53. 135
    One-eyed son of the manse says:

    I am surprised to see Liam Fox there. What does Adam Werrity say?

  54. 138
    Blowing Whistles says:

    A proportion of The MP’s may have backed the dirty marriage brigade – but THEY HAVE NOT spoken for the MAJORITY of the Public. The 400 have proved how gutless, spineless and craven they are to the disproportionate number of homosexuals “miltiants” who have infested Parliament.

    • 143
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        Blowing Whistles says:

        Thanks CRMM – we shall resume normal bitching after this – but – hey you never know…

    • 147
      Not Blowing Whistles says:

      + 1000 : Very well said.

    • 162
      Yougov says:

      We don’t agree.

      • 212
        rebekah aka nellnewman says:

        YouGov are never going to have credibility because we will always remember that it is owned by the labour supporting kellner the husband of baroness ashton – the useless pal of gordon that gordon gave the Eu Foreign Minister’s job to!!

        • 250
          Blowing Whistles says:

          John Humphries and Sebastian wotsisname are also founding members of youbullgov – I shall return with his and several other names in the coming days.

        • 292
          Yougov says:

          You have a better source? Pls don’t quote the deluded 70 yr old ukip nutters who just agree with each other and insult everyone else.

        • 400
          Catty Comment (Ms) says:

          Kellner was on Sky minutes after the vote telling everyone that the majority of Brits support gay marriage. Maybe that’s why he married Cathy – the glam of Brussels.

    • 170
      VERITAS says:

      Not only infested Parliament but the whole British Establishment,Many years ago shortly after the Woolfenden report and the decriminilisation of homosexual acts a militant homo who I knew said to me this was just the begiining and that the homosexual lobby would make giant strides.He was right and the vast majority in this country have been sold out.

  55. 139
    HenryV says:

    Is Dave taking the rest of the year off now?

  56. 141
    Weygand says:

    Just Dave looking for some more seats.

  57. 142
    Operation Crossbow says:

    Prick Robinson wanking away again. It wasn’t in the manifesto, Queen’s speech or coalition agreement and a free vote.

    The BBC trying to make a fuss over nothing.

  58. 148
    bwanamakubwa says:

    I’m going to emigrate before Cast-Iron Dave makes turd-burgling mandatory.

  59. 149
    Rumpledforeskin says:

    Oh good, that’s over then now can all the nancy boys go stand over there and the ones who want to sort out the country get to work ?

  60. 150
    disgustedoftunbridgewells says:

    Right, thats that then. Now Dave, whats next on your bucket list (before you lose the next election? one way streets, lesbian litter louts, gaslight saving bill etc, etc. Certainly got your finger on the pulse of the nation.

    • 178
      Horse stalk...what from the Labour Party? says:

      Ooo dirty and punitive lesbians. Sounds like you all over. How about treating people equally and saying actually they are now part of society and yes I would employ/hire a gay person or a lesbian person.

      • 229
        The Boss says:

        I have no intention of hiring a gay or lesbian person just to tick a box. Their sexuality has nothing whatsoever to do with their ability to do a job. Anyone turning up at my office saying ‘hire me, I’m gay’ is obviously obsessed with sex and not likely to concentrate on the job. If however, they can actually do the job, anyone who works for me can shag cats as far as I am concerned.

        • 246
          The BBC causes serious mental illness says:

          We are on the same wavelength.

          • Horse stalk...what from the Labour Party? says:

            I’m saying treat them equally. As you say. And that comes to their “little unions” as well. Well why should you who is not gay say no?

  61. 152
    Gordon Brown says:

    Did I turn up for work today?

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  63. 157

    I’ve gone long on Vaseline…

    • 177
      Spaz Watch says:

      Is it my charm, my personality or my wit ? Let me know if any members of my community have suicide, and I’ll be over like a shot with my ‘PR milking equipment’™. Vote Vaz.

      • 189
        Bum Sex Over The Rainbow says:

        Will you bend for the arc of justice?

        • 202
          Spaz Watch says:

          My ‘PR milking equipment’™ and specialized ‘PR bending teams’™ can massage the arc of justice any which way you like. A suicide or missing ch!ld would help though. Vote Spaz.

          • Bum Sex Over The Rainbow says:

            What age should we start teaching bumsex in school?

            There may be a case for changing the law.

          • Sir J Savile, Minister for Marriage (Deceased) says:

            Old enough to bleed ? And if they ain’t, we can fix that.

            ** jingle jangle **

  64. 169
    The Truth says:

    Dave didn’t even have the guts to attend the debate.

    He ia a weak PC bastard.

  65. 176
    Kevin T says:

    The real fun begins when the first church gets sued under the Equality Act for refusing to provide a service (a marriage ceremony) on the grounds of sexuality. Which is illegal.

  66. 183

    Fabians = Lesbians.

    • 223
      rebekah aka nellnewman says:

      lenmcclusky says he wants to take over labour and make them totally leftwing – and he might do it because he has loadsamoney at his disposal.

      Hopefully that will be labour’s deathnell!!

      • 419
        Horse stalk...what from the Labour Party? says:

        Once again Rebekah too optimistic: The Cooperative will fund all leadership of its all-winning The Party. And the correct term for society is The State. For fairness and kindness it is The Welfare State with Robust Targets. And for elderly care, the Lottery Greedy Hospitals Solution.

  67. 185
    Dave's next expenses scandal says:

    I had to visit this place to try and negotiate the EU budget more in the UKs favor and research further the gay marriage implications for the committee:


  68. 186
    domino316 says:

    Well it is safe to say Cameron is definitely a PM for a coalition government, sadly its a coalition of Lib-Dems, Labour and half the Tories….I’m beginning to miss Gordon Brown.

    • 218
      rebekah aka nellnewman says:

      Well don’t . gordon was more toxic than anything we ever want to experience again!!

      • 240
        domino316 says:

        But at least we knew he was an idiot, this chucklehead is growing up the idiocy tree like a vine….

  69. 199
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    Right Dave Now let’s deal with the REAL issues of the day – The Economy, Immigration, health and education ( Gove doing a good job there ) so concentrate on the first three!1

    • 397
      WoRaft says:

      You have said this 23 times. If Cameron was worried about these things, he would have attended to them first. Instead, he has embarked on a futile war against his own party with the aim (if I’ve read the analysis correctly) of alienating everyone over the age of 55. In other words, the people who vote. The people who donate money and, especially, time, to that grass-roots thing of going round and talking to people.

      Even in a free vote, 136 voting against their own government and explaining exactly why the whopping great pile of letters on their desk is like the tip of the iceberg has not caused the arrogant sod to change course. At least the Titanic had the excuse of not seeing the iceberg. This idiot had a perfect excuse to change course when the LDs refused to behave themselves over the boundary vote. He should have torn the bill up in front of their faces as a lesson to them.

      Henceforth I shall call him Titanic Dave. And vote UKIP.

      • 422
        Horse stalk...what from the Labour Party? says:

        And all ministers fall on their sword and allow a Lib-Lab makeshift government. Never, Never, Never! (hhmm) . Good older cons of such old views will have to die just like your votes for UKIP. So ironic given those who go to die in Spain.

        • 434
          WoRaft says:

          We already have a Lib-Lab makeshift government. It’s just pretending to be Conservative. I’m tired of things pretending to be beefburgers and turning out to be horsemeat. If I wanted horsemeat, I would buy it direct.

          I will no longer do business with a dishonest supplier.

  70. 219
    The Paw of Accusation says:

    Meanwhile, in London, the McCanns’ efforts to get Tony Bennett jailed for saying what the Police investigators said in the case continue – and no one is reporting on that. They will report on any number of daft “sightings” but not about this important case.

  71. 220
    Anonymous says:

    I used to think that my only practical choice at general elections was:

    1) Vote tory and get a government that did things which made at least some kind of sense some of the time.
    2) Vote libdem or labour and then witness the country/economy getting torn to fucking shreds.
    3) Vote ukip and have my vote ignored because their following is too small where I live.

    However, I believe now that if Cameron is leader in 2015 prior to the general election, then my choice becomes:

    1) Vote tory and then witness the country/economy getting torn to fucking shreds.
    2) Vote libdem or labour and then witness the country/economy getting torn to fucking shreds.
    3) Vote ukip and get a coalition that does things which make sense

    Dave’s a fucking moron; he’s sealed his own political death warrant with this insane “progressive” agenda where he tries to redefine the english language itself whilst simultaneously completely ignoring the total fuckup of the UK economy and increasing the national debt at a rate of over £100billion/year with no fucking end in sight of ever being able to pay back a single penny of that debt.

    And, where the fuck is this “majority” that Cameron talks about who agree with gay marriage? Is that the majority of people who he meets in wanky london winebars?

    Well, sorry Dave, but the metro-elite are NOT the majority of the country, they are a bunch of champagne socialist progressive fuckwits who’ve got no idea how the real world works.

    Fuck off Dave. Your time is over.

    The tragic thing is that he doesn’t even know how fucked he is politically; he’s surrounded by like-minded “progressives” and the media spin that “progressive” agenda as if nobody in the country disagrees with it.

    This’ll kill the tories’ hopes of getting a majority in 2015 stone-dead.

    People don’t tend to forget it when a leader enforces an Orwellian redefinition of language and facts on the masses, especially when that leader completely ignores the country/economy falling to pieces whilst doing so.

    • 234
      domino316 says:

      +100 (+£National Debt)

    • 376
      Anonymous says:

      + millions. This country is a laughing stock.
      I will NEVER vote tory again – NEVER!

      • 414
        Play meaty for me says:

        The Torn-Aparts are indeed toast, so prepare ye for a NuNuLab government that will, allah permitting, rule for evah!

        Free love, free debt, free freebies but no free thinking and certainly no free Al-Beeb. Oh yes, it’s what you want. You told us so, or we thought you did or maybe we thought you should. No matter, it’s policy now.

        Anyways, its what Obumble wants, so there. Problem solved. But, how will all the incoming Bulgars deal with the Buggers?

    • 394
      None of the above V2 says:

      If I had the money I would take a full page in the Times and put this on.

  72. 224
    Koooie! says:

    Well, now that we’ve breached that little rubicon, lets get to work on the next ones: Polygamy and marriages to 12 year olds.
    Might even get some cross-species weddings legalised by 2015.
    We’re on a roll!

  73. 228
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    Will this gay bill vote work against the tories or then again will it work for them?

    Answer to both questions is no. The electorate is NOT interested in this issue.

    • 248
      Carlos says:

      Against.. they lose more and more of their conservative core, while on the other hand gaining no extra votes from the pro-gay lobby.

      Par for the course really.. Call me Dave hasn’t manage to put a single foot right since the leadership elections.

  74. 236
    ladies and gentlemen, it's... michael fucking parkinson! says:

    i’ve bummed hundreds of fascinating bummers.

  75. 244
    Anonymous says:

    The Notting Hill Noddy has suceeded in getting more than half of his own party to abstain on, or vote against, a measure which he himself proposed.

    That’s what you might call “leading from behind”. Appropriate, given the circumstances.

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    Where was IDS? says:

    Where was that man of principal Ian Duncan Smith? Did he vote for the bill?
    After everything he has said and his religion? Strange I thought he was better than this.

  78. 263
    Blowing Whistles says:

    You wouldn’t read – hot topic comments, retorts, discussions and argumnets like you do here – in any of the dead tree press any day …. because they are ‘living and pumping out lies’ about a ‘busted democracy’ day in day out innit just so?

    • 279
      Not Blowing Whistles says:

      There is definitely a lot more honest opinion expressed, that is for sure.

      However, one does wonder how narrow the cross section is.

      • 286
        Bum Sex Over The Rainbow says:

        I like them narrow!

      • 322
        Blowing Whistles says:

        I wonder how many kweers have tried to infiltrate UKIP and suborn their members into the miltiant political homosexual agenda – I do know of one [published into the public domain] convicted child abusing homosexual who has twice tried to worm his way up the ladder.

  79. 268
    Tory Grass Rooter says:


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    Any old Tom, Dick or Harry says:

    I’d be buggered if I’d vote for gay “marriage”.

  82. 290
    Immer Wieder says:

    Guido is on the wrong side of history, startlingly so for a “libertarian”.

    Let them eat cock.

    • 429
      Horse stalk...what from the Labour Party? says:

      Naturally gays already do! Its encourages them to do it in a less-STD risky twosome. Has anyone actually considered this may reduce HIV/AIDS. Has anyone forgotten the last government allowed gays to adopt children which is encouraging those poor children to get gay or very bullied.

  83. 294
    40 years a Tory Activist -- Now UKIP says:


    A couple of weeks ago you said you were reducing the Debt. Either you do not understand the difference between “Deficit” and “Debt”, or you are a liar. Whichever is correct it means you are unfit to be Prime Minister.

    Tonight you have corrupted marriage forever in our country.

    You should resign immediately.

    I’m joining UKIP straightaway.

  84. 299
    Samcam says:

    Why did I marry him? I must have been pissed. Toodle tit.

    • 316
      GAY VID CAMERA ON says:

      Has he ever asked you to “turn the other cheek”

      • 433
        Horse stalk...what from the Labour Party? says:

        Rumour has it that Samcam’s liaisons with Cherie are in fact the start of a lesbian affection, distracted by which she suggested this whole thing to Dave who was actually somewhat of a homophobe. Old fashioned tories are seen as vote losers so why not just cut/tax all pensions and remove the grey votes. Steal the liberal vote by allowing free universities more scholarships for brightest state educated children…and ban Nick Clegg from sending his children to private school. Go on hit him for it.

  85. 300
    Laughing hangman says:

    Why did Twiggy vote against? Just wait for a couple to rock up at the nearest mosque or synagogue and ask for a wedding. Turned down and the crawl to court and scream for their ‘uman rights’ and the court grant it. Wait for the screams of these minorities. The idea that places of worship for all sky pilot worshipers are exempt will not stand up in court, Stonewall do your bit. hahahahahaha

  86. 304
    Fudge Related Pleb Concerns says:

    Whilst on the subject of plebs and fudge packers, could there be any link at all between M, Hillsborough, Armajaro and Choc Finger ?

    Also – This is dodgy as hell, isn’t it ?


    Worth a read: Seriously.

  87. 311
    Brian the Pissed-Off says:

    Cameron has invested so much political capital in the cause of “gay marriage”, because, on our behalf, he has accepted “combating discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation and gender identity” of the Council of Europe, and undertaken to implement it by June 2013. Whatever the cost he has demonstrated himself deeply committed to the European Project.

    • 342
      WoRaft says:

      Perhaps he’s trying to get the job which Tony Blair didn’t get. They all want to be Emperor of Rome.

  88. 312
    Fishy says:

    Is Carole Malone Owen Jones’ mum?

    She stands a chance – they both seem to be genetically stupid.

  89. 314
    Marmite says:

    Dave is Toast

  90. 317
    Is it time for us all to grow porn moustaches? says:

    Ploughing is my bent.

  91. 333
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Just a thought before I turn in – I wonder whether Huhne’s son is pro or anti Climate Change … of course one must remember that any uni student or schoolkid is of course going to be “marked down” if they dare to speak out against the bull5hit that teachers are being forced to teach children about the AGW busted myth?

    Is The EU – a big fat cat lie, Is Climate Change a big fat cat lie and is the gay marriage thingy a big fat cat lie?

    Think about it.

    • 335
      Not Blowing Whistles says:

      He is studying at St. Peters Oxford I think: Not sure what subject though.

      Probably doesn’t care about climate change, more concerned about the cluster f*ck which is his family.

  92. 337
    Well it's a thought maybe says:

    It’s an interesting time with homosexual “marriages” what happens when they go abroad, say places like Turkey or Greece where family values totally differ from the lunacy we are taking on, how will it balance out if 2030 is the estimate for Sharia law in this country, I think Camoron has really lost the plot on this one, if he had played it right it, it could have happened in a few years when people got used to the idea and the country had plenty of opportunities to wonder about it, hope he has packed his bags, ready for him to fck off from number 10.

    • 339
      World Watch says:

      Not a moot question.

      The marriage will likely not be recognized abroad.

      Moreover, those who are ‘married’ in this way would be subject to local law. So for example, they can expect jail time if they honeymoon outside the EU, US and the screwed up bits of the old Common Wealth.

      • 355
        Muzzie Patrol says:

        Youz my man….Sharia law it is then.

        • 428
          Shah-ha-haria says:

          Imagine this fantasy scenario:

          A crowded nation — subject to remote ideologies and confused national identity –import many cultists, who cling together in small areas. The importing state provides them with benefits and housing beyond the newcomer’s expectations and help them pay to bring over ‘family’ and who soon take over local schools by sheer weight of numbers. This cult wants to be separate from the mainstream of this ‘forward-looking’ nation so they remain locked in own traditions and dislike integration, except on their terms when it provides access to vulnerable youths, and remain as mostly self-employed males with poor English skills who can claim they don’t understand the taxation laws (well, no one does, so with them on that one) and avoid paying into the pot.

          Being a closed group, this cult has political and criminal elements (as all cults do, in fact) but they also have the ‘support’ of a complicit national media who are anxious to root out anti-cultist feelings, even if the anti-cultists have genuine fears and objections. In any event, the support structure of schools, housing, utilities, health are are strained to breaking point, requiring more money to be poured in which — goodness — benefits the cult and encourages them to ask for more.

          The cult routinely suppresses its own dissidents, especially females who might have an idea they can make their way in the world on their own, and in fact calls for the death of anyone who wants to leave the cult. While the host nation has strict laws on such matters, it often turns a blind eye to such demands and suppresses.

          The adherents of this cult insist that any laws suit them, or they are excused on cultist grounds. It’s a win-win situation as they can do what they want, effectively, and refuse to avoid doing what they don’t like. At the same time, while initially supporting one pro-immigration party, they form their own parties. Their large numbers mean they sweep the local elections. Once in that nation’s legislature, the laws are begun to be changed…

          Fantasy, as you can imagine…

          • Shah-ha-haria says:

            But here’s the rub… the existing system votes for gay marriage, which the increasing cultists don’t like.

            Will this be a law that gets repealed sometime in the next twenty five years?

            Or are the cultists anxious to create a state like Iran which, apparently, has no gays at all?

    • 343
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Camoron stated quite clearly that it [gay mariage] will be good for ‘our society’ – is that ‘our society’ the ‘society of men with secrets’ who are all a bit kweer – not only in the head?

    • 346
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Couldn’t resist this last add on

      They do of course love a JOLLY ‘n ROGER in their Skull ‘n Bones society. To55 pot5.

    • 349
      Anonymous says:

      It means that when you go abroad, if you need to indicate your marital status on a form (eg on a visa application), then when that country checks what you put they wouldn’t be able to accept a marriage certifcate as proof, they’d also have to double-check the sex of the other person who is on that certificate.

      UK Marriage certificates will become null/void/unusable abroad, as will your “marital status” situation generally, and nobody seems to have pointed that out yet as far as I can see.

    • 369
      albacore says:

      The wheels fell off Dave’s wagon so long ago
      Getting nowhere’s the new Tory status quo
      Being press-ganged along on that acid trip
      Ain’t arf selling tickets for going UKIP

  93. 361
    Deep Thought says:

    Looking back to 1997:

    i) How many people believe that the current political class saved us from t3rr0rist threat ?

    ii) How many people believe that the current political class has promoted a strong and stable economic system ?

    iii) How many people believe that the current political class is working in the best interests of the next generation and society in general ?

    Before any more time is wasted on non issues like gay marriage, and further advancing the obviously less than credible ‘progressive’ agenda, it is worth thinking carefully about these questions and the other obvious ones not listed.

    Are the fails for the current system greater than the wins ?

    The time for real debate on the forced status quo shift is here now.

    If the questions are not asked and this shift is not right, the abyss will open.

    • 363
      50 Calibre says:

      The inhabitants of the Westminster Bubble are so far up their own arses that almost none of them would even understand the questions you pose. Stand by for the abyss option. Glad I quit the UK all those years ago. Best thing that I ever did.

    • 365
      God Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth says:

      i) They helped to create the conditions which lead to terror and even went as far as allowing the terrorists funds and immunity from some parts of the law.

      ii) Don’t make me laugh! The country is ruined whatever happens. I am not talking just of debt, bed enough as it is (and excluding QE funny accounting tricks). Depending on what figures you use, if you aggregate all debt owed by individuals and government and divide by the number of people working, they could not pay it all off were they to live for three lifetimes. The bill will still be there in 2050.

      iii) they are working so much against each other, not only between parties but intra-party, that most have no conception of where the country (because that is really what you are saying) is heading.

      Possibly the reason why Dave is so transfixed by the gay marriage bill is that he is powerless to do anything else useful or that will otherwise grab some headlines.

      If we take the Rubáiyát’s famous words, The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on the last part of that sequence happened over a decade ago.

      • 368
        Deep Thought says:

        Agree with your points on the three questions posed above.

        However: How many people believe ?

        Further: What are the other shaky foundations that these guys are running on.

        More for open discussion.

        The debt question is interesting though as that is very subjective in many ways. We are coming up to GBP 1.4 Tn in debt, but have we really imported that many goods ? The bulk of the debt is largely based in paper and fictitious interest, not material goods.

        Most of it can be written off immediately without causing any existential problems. Ie. A war over non settlement of a real international obligation. The only thing keeping that fiction alive is the belief that this debt is real and should be paid.

        You have touched upon why that myth is being perpetuated though, and it extends beyond our borders to the US and most of the nations in Europe.

        • 396
          God Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth says:

          Hey! I had excluded QE and similar!

          One cannot eliminate mortgage debt, credit card debt, personal loan debt, public finance debt in the conventional sense, bond debt in the conventional sense and many other types of public and private finance without doing things like damaging pension funds, destroying savings, and probably risking widespread public disorder.

          • Horse stalk...what from the Labour Party? says:

            A wholesale default on one’s international obligations to other countries and not to investors (say 0.5 Bn) would just damage our trade which we enjoy in all our foreign purchases. Furthermore such protectionism smacks of the third reich.

  94. 362
    50 Calibre says:

    It’s only when I see MP’s names listed like this, and this is by no means all of them, do I ask myself quite why the UK needs all these people cluttering up the legislative process. What a waste. What Adrian on the public purse.

    The sooner that England gets its own Parliament with no more than about 150 members the better. This is a waste of taxpayer’s money on the grand scale, especially when the lion’s share of what’s apparently needed is done by the EU.

  95. 364
    Islam is the biggest threat to world peace says:

    Well, I’ll go to the bottom of our stairs…

  96. 366
    God's Response to Gay Marriage Vote says:
    • 371
      God's Response to Gay Marriage Vote says:

      It’s not far off a divine planetary butt-f*ck for Westminster…


      • 413
        GAY VID CAMERA ON says:


      • 423
        Does an HIV positive MP have parliamentary AIDS says:


    • 381
      GOD says:

      Just limbering up.

  97. 373
    Huhne Watch says:
    • 374
      Huhne Watch says:

      That was her intent, but the ball has bounced and it is coming back at her.

      The Crown’s approach so far is to broadly undermine her credibility for duress claim. They have just about established that she is not weak minded, is vengeful and somewhat calculating. Indirectly, the Crown has also painted Huhne in a light which does not suggest that he is in any way aggressive or menacing, but that she is.

      It is going to be interesting to see what gets pulled out of the hat when the defense makes its case to counter this.

      Unless there is some documented record of what exactly happened between the car being photographed and the points being taken, or if there is anything documented which could support a claim of duress at that time, then this case will hinge on what the jury perceives of her.

      The advice if you want to do what she is doing:

      i) At the time you commit the offense, make sure you walk into a door and go to a hospital for treatment and keep a record of this. Appear nervous for the doctors, and perhaps see a counselor at least once.

      ii) At the later date: Speak to a criminal lawyer first, then police, and then press (subject to your legal advice). May be better to get a lawyer who knows the Crown’s well. Also may look better to not inform the police you have spoken to lawyer before seeing them.

      iii) Do not discuss any plan with anybody except your lawyer, and only do that verbally at their chambers. They are duty bound to secrecy, will be unlikely to collude, but if you need to vent, that is the only person you can trust.

      iv) Showtime.

      Unless there are eyewitnesses / forensics it is all about credibility with the jury, and the strength of the defense against prosecution. Do not believe for one minute the nonsense’s about pity and bias in criminal cases, or undue sympathy from the jurors.

      A criminal trial is all about brute survival. If you are i) not guilty, ii) have evidence which proves this and iii) are credible before a jury then not guilty is an easy plea. It is a progressively harder plea as you work back through those points: Note the nature and the order.

      Interesting to see what happens next.

      • 375
        Tachybaptus says:

        Sound advice, but would anyone actually be strong-minded, vengeful and calculating enough to carry out the steps in good time?

  98. 380
    Unrequited says:

    Ring for sale. Needs urgent attention.

  99. 382
    Gonk III says:

    Someone do something !

  100. 383
    Joss Ayinglike says:

    I see Toxic Taffy has been hyper again.

  101. 384
    Mad, Bad & Dangerous Gordon McRuin ( Member in absentia ) says:

    Fuck off, Cable.

  102. 391
    Marcus Aurelius Brigstokius says:

    Dave is to have his own crack protection squad, a modern Praetorian guard.

  103. 398
  104. 399
    None of the above V2 says:

    I assume English is not your first language?

    Are you also ginger?

  105. 403

    What is that smell in here?

  106. 407
    Raving Loon says:

    Overall this is a bad move for the Tories. They won’t gain any votes from the pinko/liberal brigade, but they will lose core votes to UKIP over this.

    • 409

      Correct. It has now pushed me. I would have voted Conservative to keep Labour out. Now I will vote UKIP anyway and to hell with the consequences.

      That is only me so it doesn’t count. How many other like me are there, though?

    • 435
      Voter regret says:

      The pinko/liberal brigade will still not vote Tory, no matter what they do. Even if what The Cameroons do is what the NuLab/LibDumbs would do, it is still no go for them.

      National vote gain is zero, national vote loss to the Cons may be incalculable.

  107. 410
    Athelstan says:

    For God’s sake replace Cameron with someone who will speak for England before it is too late.

  108. 411
    Tory Defector says:

    When more than half your own party don’t support you on an issue as deep as this, it’s probably time to start looking for a new job. I doubt if any of DC’s bright little Tory boys will be in the Cabinet a year from now. The question is who is a credible challenger ? If Boris stands for Eastleigh, it’s almost worth voting Tory knowing he’ll oust DC in months and we’ll be rid of his accursed shower.

  109. 415
    WHAT NEXT says:

    Hmmmmm i saw a very attractive Donkey this morning , i wonder if she will marry me ?

  110. 417
    Great Granddad:Prime Minister in Waiting, New Utopia Party says:

    Please help me. If (my wife permitting) I marry my brother-in-law, will I lay myself open to charges of bigamy and that other thing that forbids me to consort with close relatives, or can I safely assume that David will not have given the matter enough thought to cover that in his Act of Parliament? I am also very close to my sister and am feeling thoroughly (and most unusually)confused just for the moment.

    Prime ministers going back to Baldwin have riled me over the decades, and on one or two rare occasions have pleased me, but Dave Boy is the first one ever to leave me not knowing whether I’m Arthur or Martha.

  111. 418
    WHAT NEXT says:

    It’s a funny old world , After Dave and his gang threw their full support behind the “Arab Spring” uprising in Egypt , Yesterday tens of thousands turned out to welcome The Iranian president “Im a dinner jacket”!

    Dave , you really should choose your friends more carefully

  112. 420
    WHAT NEXT says:

    Well i’m off to marry as many of my family members as possible this morning ,
    if as the mp’s keep bleating on about how “we are now all equal in the eyes of the law ” then i should not have a problem with this , as one section of our community already don’t have a problem with it

    Now i thing i’ll go pick up my 12 year old cousin from school

  113. 421
    Does an HIV positive MP have parliamentary AIDS says:

    Lots more Room sharing with Spads should save the tax payer a fortune

  114. 425
    Postal Votes are Labour Loo Paper says:

    Well, that’s GB on the ever accelerating road to decline and fall. It will be sex with dogs and kids next. We are finished as a nation. No morals, anything goes. What have we come to to end this way. Sodom and Gomorrah- and I am not even religious.

  115. 427
    Lib Dem hypocrite says:

    Teather – could it be something to do with the demographics of Brent Central. Career or conviction politician ?

    • 458
      My teather can be pulled says:

      There is nothing wrong for a strong liberal to espouse policies appealing to pro- Shariah-ah ah oo hot, ouch, you have to accept that poor Ms Teather faces opponents from two sides in her patch and at least now they are not the only ones who can dump lifelong beliefs and jump on the best anti-Milibandwagon going.

  116. 436
    Anonnymouse says:

    Re Vicky Price and her defence.

    My wife points out that Vicky Price’s marital coercion state at the time any offence may have been committed (because she had young children and was in a “normal marriage”) may well have been quite different to the confident, forceful woman she has become since. Huhne treated her abominably when he left her so publicly and it is not surprising that she has shown subsequent emotional reactions

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  118. 449
    Disco Biscuit says:

    Andrew Rosindell is certainly a family man. Isn’t he?

  119. 460
    Nemesis says:

    Perhaps Cameron can now get on with solving the real problems of the economy and an almost bankrupt country etc now this shirt-lifters’ law has been passed.

  120. 467
    Norfolkboy says:

    I understand Chloe Smith Conservative (Norwich North) voted for the bill although shes very quiet about it on her website and twitter.

  121. 469

    Quite seriously how/why would someone go through both lobbies? So they can honestly claim to have voted yes or no, depending on who they are talking too?

  122. 479
    Bum Sex 4 All says:

    “Gay Marriage Passes 400 Votes to 175″

    So there is such a thing as good Tory policy.

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A confused Nick Griffin says Nigel Farage is a shill for the City, forgetting that City banks want to stay in the EU:

“Farage is a snake oil salesman, but a very good one. His supposed anti-immigration stance is all smoke and mirrors, as is his carefully cultivated image as a ‘man of the people’. The truth is that UKIP is a pro-immigration party that exists to lobby for the interests of the City of London.”

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It’s money innit.

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