February 1st, 2013

Labour’s Taxing Line

Hardly a week ever goes by without Labour failing to label a reform to welfare handouts as “a tax”. This week everyone has fallen in line behind the phrase “bedroom tax”:

With Andrew Dilnot clearing up the debt and deficit confusion earlier, in the interests of accuracy and Guido’s sanity, he’s sending these confused souls back to school. Here is the dictionary definition of a ‘tax':

“a compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers’ income and business profits, or added to the cost of some goods, services, and transactions.”

The so-called “bedroom tax” will see tenants in social housing who are deemed to be under-occupying their homes lose part of their housing benefit. See the difference?

The “bedroom tax” is not a tax at all, but actually a welfare transfer. If you are under-occupying your social housing you do not have to pay the state any money, you will simply receive a smaller handout from the taxpayer. But then Owen, and Kevin and Ian and Ed and Rachel all knew this already. 

The same applies to the nanny ‘tax’, the mummy ‘tax’, and all the other fake ‘taxes’ Labour types are inventing, a long with that imaginary “cheque” Cameron “wrote” to all those millionaires. This sort of misinformation is exactly why people hate politicians. They know what they are doing: being deliberately stupid to scare voters…


488 Comments

  1. 1

    They would be b@nkrupted by an onanism tax.

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    • 7
      Compulsive Poster Watch says:

      You are the new 8illy here cat.

      Suggest you get out of your box and play with a ball of wool for a bit, or catch a few mice.

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      • 48
        Vote UKIP says:

        Don’t you just love moronic left-wing governments?

        ‘However, in France the downturn deepened, with the manufacturing PMI for the bloc’s second-largest economy sinking to a four-month low of 42.9.

        “Confidence [in France] seems to have evaporated in the face of an increasingly uncertain economic environment, leading manufacturers to make sharper cuts to employment, purchasing and input stocks,” said Jack Kennedy, senior economist at Markit.’

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        • 63
          Master of the Non-Sequitur says:

          Win!

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          • Owen Jones (aged 28 and a half) says:

            Bugger, first I cock up the difference between income and capital on the Brillo show, and now I cock up the difference between a tax and a benefit on twitter.
            I am fast approching the category of Huhnes filled by 8illy Kebab and Schrödinger’s cat.
            Please help me and bring back Johan Hari

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          • Putr1d Labour ruined my Country says:

            Let’s see, Labour borrow like crazy to pay welfare we can’t afford, wow, that’s really sensible. Labour MP’s from the last government should be tried for treason.

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          • Colin the Meek says:

            As opposed to Labour’s rigging of the constituency boundaries which is , well, gerrymandering.

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          • Osama the Nazarene says:

            I really hope that the hal-al meat they force our kids to take for school dinners has a lot more than “traces of pork” in it.

            I bet the traces of pork found in hal-al meat given to lags came from Poland. Pork is their staple diet.

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        • 153
          Anonymous says:

          I don’t think Politicians are “deliberatly stupid”, it’s their natural state.

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          • Number 6 says:

            But the bigger idiots are those who vote the lib/lab/con swine in.

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          • Ahead of the game says:

            To Number 6: find a party you support or admit you are one of the UKIP OAP social mens club (which has yet to register widespread decent scores).

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      • 104

        Is it incidence or coincidence which you appear to have a trouble with, Mr OCD? Or maybe you are not sure?

        I returned from my trip into town, had some late lunch, had a look at o-o, discovered a new page, posted, had a pleasant nap and found your tender note. There are other websites out there if you don’t like this one…

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        • 134
          The man on the Clapham Omnibus says:

          Speaking for myself and most other people reading this blog, I like the content but find you and 8illy Kebab to be complete Huhne’s.
          Why don’t you take a full refund, fuck off and write your own blog – I suspect 8illy Kebab will be a reader, and that you will therefore have one more reader than his blog seems to have.

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          • One must beware of people who take it upon themselves to speak upon behalf of others (a fortiori most others) without so much as consulting them. There is a word for people like this: Politicians.

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          • Your use of part of a latin term (the full term is “argumentum a fortiori”) rather proves that the suggestion made above that you are a “pseudo-intellectual” might be correct even though it may not prove that you are a twat. Did you study law by any chance?
            At least you got the context in which to use the phrase right, even if you have missed the point of my name and my views.
            The fact that you missed the point rather does suggest that you might in fact also be a twat.
            I am, by definition whether you like it or accept it, a reasonably educated and intelligent person.
            Didn’t you know that? Have a look at a simple definition on wikipedia if it helps – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_man_on_the_Clapham_omnibus. It is accurate enough for you.
            The legal fiction (and you ought, as a conseqeunce of your nature being a paradox, to understand fictions even if you don’t understand legal fictions) is that most people are reasonably educated and intelligent . It is perhaps now apparent to you why I speak for most people.
            It is my views against which the conduct of others, including a person claiming to be a paradox, is to be judged. You stand to be judged by reference to my views whether you like it or not.
            You bore me, and therefore bore reasonably educated people. I repeat the suggestion I made to you in comment 134 above. Reply if you must, but then do be a good fellow and follow my advice. A reasonably educated person would!

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          • Quod Erat Demonstrandum says:

            Your response rather suggests that the suggestion above that you are a pseudo-intellectual twat might be correct. I will explain.
            Whilst you did not use the complete latin phrase, at least you used a phrase in context this time. Whilst demonstrating pseudo-intellectual tendancies, it is a big improvement on previous efforts.
            I suspect some legal training, but further suspect that you might not have passed with flying colours.
            More importantly, you do not seem to understand who the Man on the Clapham Omnibus is nor who he represents. He is, and represents, a reasonably educated person. It is against his views that the conduct of others is judged. There is a legal fiction, being a paradox you should understand the concept, that he represents the views of most people.
            In the circumstances, it is perfectly in order for him to speak for most people.
            You may not like it, but your actions and statements fall to be judged by reference to his views. Whilst it may not be agreeable to you, that is the way that you are to be judged.
            If he thinks you are a huhne, then most people think you are a huhne. If you don’t agree with his views, then your views are not those of a reasonably educated man.
            It is a shame that your pseudo-intellectualism did not stretch to understanding who he represents. The fact that it does not extend that far rather suggests that you are a twat.
            Thus, in one post you re-inforce the proposition, that you are in the opinon of a reasonably educated person, a pseudo-intellectual twat.
            Reply if you must, but remember that anything you say falls to be judged by the Man on the Clapham Omnibus.
            At the risk of being accused on being pseudo-intellectual myself – Quod Erat Demonstrandum

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          • Wow! I must have got up your nose! :-D

            You may want to live up to your definition of the Man on the Clapham Omnibus. I certainly do not want to be characterised thus. So you flatter me without intending to.

            Under your argument, if enough people believe in a falsehood then it must be true. Pah!

            The Man on the Clapham Omnibus voted for Blair three times. So I emigrated. It’s called principle. You my need to look the term up. I wish no harm to the Man on the Clapham Omnibus but he has no sway over me whatsoever.

            I wish you a very good night.

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          • Anonymous says:

            … but it is not a falsehood to suggest that you are a huhne. Do you even think to the contrary?

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          • Casual observer who rarely comments says:

            I don’t pretend to speak for anybody else, but I think that SC is a huhne and I wish he would fuck off.
            Unfortunately, it appears that he has no friends in the place to which he emigrated and thus has to post on here far too often.
            SC – please take the advice of the Man on the Clapham Omnibus

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          • If I was SC I would also say goodnight says:

            Schrödinger’s cat maybe a huhne, but at least he seems to know when he is beaten.
            When he said “I wish you a very good night” he actually meant “Ok, I am going to fuck off at least for tonight”.
            Well done Quod Erat Demonstrandum – you have secured us a huhne free zone at least for a short time.

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          • The man on the Clapham Omnibus says:

            Oh, I say, what fun. QED, you have rather put the pressure on me for any further posts.
            I do rather hope that Schrödinger’s cat has fucked off. I think he has aspirations to be the new 8illy Kebab.

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          • George Gordon Byron FRS says:

            It is odd but agitation or contest of any kind gives a rebound to my spirits and sets me up for a time.

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        • 143
          hank the cat says:

          LOL, you really are a nasty pasty SC

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        • 183
          Mrs Schrodinger says:

          Erwin, what the hell have you done to our cat? It looks half dead!

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    • 46
      Tax Watch says:

      Interesting that Labour are not campaigning for Land Tax reform.

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    • 121
      Fishy says:

      And of course our friends over at the BBC are quickly at it, on message, like a rat up a drainpipe.

      Victoria Derbyshire, on her VD show, on Wednesday did a feature on this, repeatedly referring to the ‘Bedroom Tax’, not once referring to it by its real name. So the BBC once again help Labour by cementing their position in the minds of the listener.

      Bit like the Budget when they repeatedly talked about the tax on pensioners as the age related personal allowance was being frozen. Those that were in receipt of the allowance would continue to get it, those who had never had it wouldn’t.

      Over to you, Andrew Dilnot, perhaps you could enlighten your new best friends on the Labour front bench.

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      • 127
        The BBC says:

        This is our way of getting round the ban on subliminal advertising.

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      • 142
        Anonymous says:

        That should get reported to ofcom or someone shouldn’t it?

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      • 147
        Lord Stansted says:

        “So the BBC once again help Labour by cementing their position in the minds of the listener.”

        This is true, but I am coming round to view that nobody (discounting beeboid-types) actually listens to the BBC. “Nation shall speak to Nation” has been degraded to “beeboids shall speak to those of similar minds”.

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      • 214
        jules says:

        It will be a such relief to all those affected to know that their extra spending will be a welfare transfer not a tax.
        Down here in sleepy old pembrokeshire we always call it Council Tax, so sorry for making such a silly mistake.
        Tax relief on private pensions is a welfare transfer as well then and if it stops then your tax goes up..eh?
        If you receive less help you pay a tax then you pay more taxes….its simple really…..this is such a mean and vicious tory measure.

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        • 303
          Anonymous says:

          Get out of that Guido!

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          • Horny handed son of toil says:

            It is simply a cut in benefit to encourage the feckless to get on their bikes and look for work.

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          • Onegreatjohnny says:

            You are welfare transferring my brain now!

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          • Ahead of the game says:

            “If you receive less help you pay a tax then you pay more taxes….its simple really” Incorrect. If you receive less of other people’s money then you might not need that level of benefits. Yes welfare transfer is a euphemism, a (justifiable) benefit cut is what this is.

            By the way, New Labour obviously failed to teach you basic English (even as an adult as they promised) as you failed in using a comma where needed and wrote its instead of it’s (for it is).

            Guido’s not going to erase any relevant comment, he actually allows free speech unlike the BBC forums.

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      • 452
        Anonymous says:

        Is V Derbyshire the one who still lives in London (even though now based in Salford) and gets a plane to work every day ? (no doubt at our expense) does anybody know if that is true ?

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    • 450
      Anonymous says:

      Its frighteneing that the same morons who are lying about the “bedrom tax” could be in Government in 2015 unless people wake up ! Talking about morons, who do you think they will replace Milliband with before the election ?

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      • 474
        Ahead of the game says:

        Based on rather a long time unanswered and usually a string of Labour backstabbers lined up for contention, I think you have your answer. It’s lovely to see the wheels of a propaganda led system of state-sponsored scrounging greased so well.

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  2. 2
    Throbber says:

    Labour Lie…. shock.

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  3. 3
    Isambard Kingdom Brunel says:

    And this is news?

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  4. 4
    Tom Fatson says:

    Tarantinoesque or grotesque ? You decide.

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  5. 5
    diomalco says:

    These people tax my patience.

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  6. 6
    Sarah says:

    But we cannot escape the fact that Camerons spending priorities are insane.

    He today promised to tax unborn British generations so he could give more AID money away via DFID.

    This on the same day that he guaranteed that more pensioners will be poorer by the next General Election.

    As an ex-Tory voter he sickens me more each day.

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    • 27
      A Stuffed Electorate says:

      Taxing people to pay for the interest on money which is being borrowed to give to people overseas is utterly immoral. Dave is a traitor.

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    • 29
      Where are Tony Blair's expenses says:

      My grandchild will be born owing ~ £17 thanks Dave

      How far could the tax threshold be raised if we stopped overseas aid or cut the benfeits bill by 5% instead of raising it 1%

      How much would we save if we scrapped tax credits and raised tax threshold instead; how many tax inspectors are emloyed at HMRC to administer tax credits

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      • 33
        Dave Spart says:

        How much more would we save if we had a revolution and put all of the current ruling crass up against a wall and shot them?

        Probably not enough, given the debts they are running up. Maybe we should confiscate their windfarms and work them in labour camps until they have paid back the public.

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        • 37
          Red Ed Millibandwagon. says:

          I and my colleagues are not being “deliberately stupid” as you call it.
          We are bone fide genuinely stupid, stupid.
          We inherited this long playing record from Tony and Gordon on tax, tax, cuts, cuts, unfair practices etc., and will play it until the next election with support from our Gruniard and BBC fellow travellers.

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          • Ahead of the game says:

            And then suddenly announce that the only thing people need to do to revitalise the economy is enjoy life. You think yourself Dorothy’s Red Ruby Slippers, I’m almost going to vote for you to shut your BBC propaganda wing up, but I’m not that sad.

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      • 371
        Hadrian (Emp.) says:

        Excellent matters to ponder. Perhaps sorting out the latest member of the mos.l.em basket country case Mali could come out of the foreign aid budget at least.

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    • 66
      Sandra in Accounts says:

      +1

      Vote UKIP – destroy Dave Cameron & Blue Labour at all costs.

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      • 332
        Mr & Mrs Joe Public now UKIP members thanks to CMDDD's never ending campaigning.. says:

        + 15M

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        • 402
          G Brown - best Chancellor ever says:

          Vote for Nigel Garage and let my protegee Milli minor in at the levers of power to continue what I began.

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      • 468
        Number 6 says:

        Could not agree more

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        • 478
          Ahead of the game says:

          Why is it everyone agrees, even me not tactially thinking, VOTE UKIP. But no-one screams JOIN UKIP. Is it the costs of something. BTW having worked on elections for all parties having members who actually talk to people everywhere and some local councillors on board really really helps.

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  7. 8
    Darth Murdoch says:

    Patheitc hatchet job.
    Let’s argue about semantics rather than if children deserve a bedroom.
    Must be a slow a news day.

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    • 32
      Where are Tony Blair's expenses says:

      I shared a bedroom with my two brothers without social services having to come round to tell my mum and dad how to bring up a family. When did it become a right for every child to have their own bedroom.

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      • 36
        Old Tory Bigot says:

        Yes indeed.

        ‘Poverty’ is a rather relative term these days isn’t it.

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        • 54
          Ed says:

          Poverty? You have no idea what poverty is until you turn up on the first day at big school and find everyone laughing at the girlie satchel you got as a hand-me-down from your brother.

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          • Old Tory Bigot says:

            Probably it would be the wrong brand of trainers these days, or not having an iPhone 4.

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          • Gonk III says:

            Satchel ? That’s nothing. Try turning up at first day with a slightly
            wrong colour Blazer. Suffering ! You have no idea.

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      • 75
        you need to do much better than call me a little Englander says:

        it was when Owen Jones said so, and I don’t like to post vacuous rhetoric, but he’s got to be the biggest see you next Tuesday on the planet, even more of one than Grant Schapps and Margaret Hodge, some achievement

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    • 98
      Jen The Blue says:

      Explain why a working family who own their own house in which their children have to share a bedroom should pay tax to allow a family on benefits to have a house with a bedroom for each child.

      How is that moral?

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    • 113
      JH293923492384 says:

      ‘Deserve’ a bedroom, paid for by the state?

      We’re fucked if people believe this shit. The irony is – when the economy and with tax receipts collapse, along with the government being unable to borrow due to rocketing interest rates – the freebies will stop anyway.

      The only winners (relatively) will be people who are not dependent on the state, not matter how much they ‘deserve’ it.

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  8. 9
    Tax is theft says:

    A whole swathe of nonsense could be got rid of if the rule that says Councils are under an obligation to house everybody was removed.

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    • 39
      Old Tory Bigot says:

      But they don’t have an obligation to ‘house everybody’.

      If you are a single British man, who has lost his job, his wife and kids in a divorce then you are at the bottom of the shit heap. Even if you’ve contributed your taxes and NI for years, social services will slam the door in your face and happily let you sleep in a ditch while they fall over themselves to house legal/illegal third-world imigrants who have contributed nothing to this country and never will.

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      • 60
        Everyone in Westminster says:

        We have had many years to do something about that, but basically, as homeless men don’t usually vote, they can all piss off. We prefer housing foreigners and that’s that.

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        • 73
          Master of the Non-Sequitur says:

          Indeed. With the modern convenience of postal voting organised by ‘community leaders’ almost all of these votes are guaranteed – for Labour.

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          • Zeitgeist today in Strawberry Hill says:

            Vast amounts of money are well spent housing most of the homeless in one form or another, vast amounts are well spent ensuring elections are much fairer than Florida which discredits much of your theory, which you could prove in an Election Court challenge. But vaster sums still prop up our rather lovely BBC that shows St Vince and the three archangels of the Labour Party in a rather lovely light (see Bedroom Tax footage).

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  9. 11
    R Swiper says:

    I bet Owen’s mummy would pay the bedroom tax just to be shot of the little shit.

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  10. 16
    Where are Tony Blair's expenses says:

    Kevin Maguire the world’s greatest Geordie, he loves the North East so much he lives in Kingston.

    If these luvies think the people on benefits are hard done by they can always volunteer to pay more tax themselves – thought not.

    No mention of the families who are living in one room in a bedit / B&B – but of course that did not happen 1997 – 2010 – couse not

    I am sure most of them have spare rooms why don’t they let a Bulgarian or Rumnian economic migrant come and live in them or let them park their caravans in the back garden – thought not

    My hatred of these liars is visceral

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    • 20
      maggie the dog says:

      x100

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    • 70
      Kevin Maquire says:

      I dont believe in riches but you should see where I live!

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      • 145
        Blowing Whistles says:

        You live in a bubble of your own deluded socialist marxist deception Magoo!

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      • 334
        Blowing Whistles says:

        Magoo covered (covered up actually) a big AEEU union spat some years ago which ended up at a bedford tribunal. Said tribunal collapsed ‘cos both the left and the right needed it to. Various Witness Statements however which didn’t see the proper light of day were handed over to an individual who attended at the tribunal. One of the Union geezers handed them over thinking that the individual was ‘sympathetic to their cause’. …….. these things take time!

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    • 94
      Andrian Swall says:

      He’s not Geordie, he’s a Sanddancer. Geordies look down on Sanddancers and Sanddancers look down on Mackems…you know the rest!

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    • 114
      Black Mask says:

      My hatred of these liars is eviscerating.

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  11. 19
    Barry Island says:

    The name has stuck, though, and that’s the way the voters will see it come 2015.

    The Tories are toast.

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  12. 24
    tajblue says:

    Deliberate misrepresentation is your stock in trade. Sanctimonious Hypocrite

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  13. 25
    Moussa Koussa's pet mmerkat says:

    It will become this government’s Poll Tax.

    Hehe

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    • 82
      Benefit scroungers are Labours core vote says:

      You are deluded.

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    • 420
      Rory Weasel says:

      It can’t be a fcking tax you silly Hunt if they are receiving the money from taxpayers. If anything they are reducing the ‘tax’ that ordinary working people are paying them to buy fags, booze and their plasma/LCD TVs. Get that into your thick skull.

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  14. 28
    David Cameron says:

    We , the Tories truly empathise with your poverty , therefore to show our solidarity with you , we have decided to bring in cuts to our own most vulnerable and needy people in the UK , such as Spare Bedroom Tax , Council Tax benefit cuts , etc. etc . I know it’s a small gesture, but it’s what we the Tories, are determined to do for you ” …… Thank you !

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    • 44
      David Cameron also says:

      This welfare transfer is going to be compensated by the raising of the minimum tax threshold limit.

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      • 99
        Benefit scroungers are Labours core vote says:

        Either abolish income tax or tax everyone the same proportion of their incomes.

        Why is it that Labour inclined under achieving voters always get an easy ride, while naturally conservative people who try to make something of themselves, are always forced to pick up the tab?

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  15. 31
    P l e b says:

    And they say Irony is dead!

    Cameron talking about ending poverty!!!

    So he went to Libya to avoid visiting a Food Bank in his own country, to talk about ending Poverty???

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  16. 35
    The Truth Speaker says:

    Labour Hunts, the lot of ‘em!

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  17. 38
    Jimmy says:

    “See the difference?”

    Yes of course. One reduces your incomes whereas the other cuts the amount of money you have to spend. It’s like chalk and calcium carbonate.

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    • 43
      rebekah aka nellnewman says:

      The point is jimmy labour are actually using a lie (yes I know they’ve always done it) to try and make a point .

      If politicians want respect then they need to start using the truth in plain simple clear English.

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      • 87
        Billericay Dickie says:

        Precisely.

        In exactly the same way that Cameron explained paying down debt – or reducing the deficit – or something.

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        • 409
          Osama the Nazarene says:

          Cameron eplained paying down the debtsssss, leaving it ambiguous as both deficit and debt are debts.

          Liebor also loved to confuse reduction of tax to millionaires as opposed to those who earned a million in a year.

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          • Zeitgeist today in Strawberry Hill says:

            Minor correction: the BBC still accurately lambasts Mr Osborne for Writing a cheque to Millionnaires as though it were the lowest rate earning millionaires they’ve had for 60 years, whereas it is the highest. Don’t you think them adorable?

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      • 458
        LadyRoisin says:

        Green Party has clear commitment – to taxes paying for free health and education – and all companies to be run as co-operatives….with bank reforms…safe simple solutions…

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    • 53
      Engineer says:

      Ah, I see.

      Labour lies, good. Tory statement, bad.

      We can’t be having a bit of fact-based, dispassionate debate, now can we?

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      • 80
        Old Tory Bigot says:

        Fact-based, dispassionate debate?

        From Jimmy?

        I think not.

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        • 85
          Jimmy says:

          The net effect is to make poor people poorer. The fact that the term tax may be technically inaccurate will not I suspect be as comforting to them as you appear to think, but by all means keep banging that drum if you think it will help.

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          • JH293923492384 says:

            You are a little bitch.

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          • Sparky the Dog says:

            To be taxed you need to earn or spend. Housing benefit is neither a wage or a loan to buy goods. It is by definition a temporary subsidy towards a property rental.

            These scroungers can easily avoid any reduction in housing benefit by getting a job.

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          • Jimmy says:

            The premise of your argument presumably being that housing benefit is paid exclusively to the jobless?

            Any other righties want to help him out here?

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          • SP4BS says:

            Oh come on. you do yourself no favours by pissing about with the meaning of words like this. Unless you really do fall for such bollocks.

            you know, when you have “cash back offers” in shops are you genuinely surprised that strangers are handing over money to you?

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          • Benefit scroungers are Labours core vote says:

            Hey Jimmy, if you were so concerned, I mean REALLY concerned about the poor getting poorer, you would have not supported eye=wateringly expensive ‘green’ energy policies that have forced millions into fuel poverty.

            You ( true to hypocrite socialist form ) never uttered a peep about that, other than to support the measures that made the poor even poorer, did you?

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          • Jimmy says:

            I’m not the one picking the semantic argument. The policy will undeniably hurt the poor. You can call it Betty for all I care.

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          • SP4BS says:

            why not just call it theft? either way round really.

            ie its theft to give people less benefits than they get now
            or
            its theft to claim things of the state that you don’t need.

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          • Jimmy says:

            I just use the word “tory” but yours could work too.

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    • 62
      Vote UKIP says:

      Plebs don’t understand the meaning of words like tax. And our state education system is no help.

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    • 76
      Sandra in Accounts says:

      Dear oh dear Jimmy.

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    • 95
      JH293923492384 says:

      Upon doing my self assessment yesterday, I discovered I ‘owe’ the government a large five figure sum in ‘tax’, which they did not earn.

      Somehow, that feels more like a ‘tax’ than being in receipt of slightly less money that I did not earn from the government.

      Strange, that. But of course I bow to Jimmy’s non-partisan wisdom in all things.

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      • 97
        Jimmy says:

        It’s really cheating to call it five figures if you include the pennies.

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        • 118
          JH293923492384 says:

          I wish Jimmy, I wish.

          The less other-people’s money statist arseholes like you get their ikkle hands on, the better off the country will be.

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    • 105
      SP4BS says:

      There are plenty of types of calcium carbonate that would be a bugger to use on a blackboard.

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    • 366

      Fuck it!

      It just clicked!

      You are my old Chemistry teacher. Aren’t you? Jimmy?

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    • 460
      Anonymous says:

      Words mean what you want them to mean, don’t they?

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      • 485
        Zeitgeist today in Strawberry Hill says:

        Most Labour-leaning people don’t get that quote as they’ve forgotten Alice in Wonderland and Tweedle Dee Tweedle Dun. Does anyone know of another character in recent popular fiction who uses harmful and twisted words?

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  18. 40
    Semantics Watch says:

    Guido cleared up that difference in an eloquent tweet the other day to Jones, proving that in 140 characters you can defeat Labour propaganda, and in particular most of Owen Jones’ arguments.

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  19. 41
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    They treat the electorate as idiots and labour are particularly bad at it. It’s just sheer contempt which will simply be returned to them with interest.

    I wonder if they know what interest is – for sake of clarity in case any of them are reading this blog; interest is what we used to earn on our savings until gordon trashed the economy.

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    • 42
      Labour Watch says:

      And interest is what many had in Labour’s policies until Gordon trashed the economy. (Oh, and for many older voters, abandonment of clause 4)

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      • 51
        rebekah aka nellnewman says:

        I’ll admit I was quite interested in bliar when he hit the political scene, fresh face, fresh ideas, seemed honest and his chosen chancellor seemed a decent sort who was apparently, so they told us, an economic genius.

        The daughter of time has taught us the error of our ways and revealed the true colours of bliar and brown . It has been a disappointing experience to say the least.

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        • 91
          Billericay Dickie says:

          Chin up. At least since 2010 we’ve been led by giants.

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          • Benefit scroungers are Labours core vote says:

            The continuity Labour coalition you mean?

            Well I suppose you are right to call them giants, because they are huge and disappointing c***s.

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        • 115
          Labour Watch says:

          Blair is still on probation. His biggest duplicity is placing the responsibility for !raq involvement on Lord Goldsmith, who gave the legal thumbs up, when at the time he prevented Goldsmiths arguments from being heard by the house.

          Brown: Definitely a mistake.

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    • 459
      Alexsandr says:

      check out zopa and funding circle if you want 6% or more.

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  20. 45
    Sir Jim says:

    Just slash benefits and have done with it.

    Let the bastards starve.

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    • 58
      Engineer says:

      What about the legitimate ones? Should they starve, too?

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    • 206
      Jim says:

      The trouble is over 60% of the UK population receive benefits to vote labour. The Tories always cut benefits to elect labour in the next election. The problem is slightly different today in that the UK borrowing limit has been exhausted. Nobody understands that the normal interest bill in the UK is beyond the ability of our children to pay.
      Nobody can be left to starve and this is why food banks are becoming more important instead of money in the UK.

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      • 378
        Hadrian (Emp.) says:

        Benefit junkies should have the right to vote removed–it distorts their clarity of thought.

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      • 385
        Mitt Romney says:

        And yet, you all thought I was some sort of a moron for saying the same sort of thing in connection with the welfare system in the US (the “47%”), just because I had what you thought was the ill-grace to question whether London could pull off the Games, and because I referred to Ed Miliband by what I thought his title and official style was; and of course, anybody who could commit those unpardonable faux-pas couldn’t possibly have a point worth hearing about in connection with his own domestic politics, and for consideration in the application it could have to the UK.

        Good night, and fuck you very much.

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        • 390
          The UK Public says:

          Well, the BBC told us that and Cameron backed them up.

          That was before Savile, ie. When most generally believed the BBC without asking too many questions.

          It was also before we realized that Cameron was a closet socialist.

          Sorry Mitt: I think those across the pond are more gutted though that they have got another four years of Nobama.

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          • 2 late now says:

            That’s because half the US population are colour blind. The only colour they see is black. Serves ‘em right.

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  21. 47
    eadav says:

    Argument by definition and description is fine but exemplification would make the point even more strongly…

    So, Mr Joseph Soap, his Common Law wife, her two and his three children, living in a free (tax-payer funded) flat in Hackney but not using…

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    • 435
      2 late now says:

      Condoms? Domestos? Harpic? Knives and forks?

      Give us a clue.

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    • 486
      Ahead of the game says:

      using… is street slang for using drugs. In this instance the exemplification would be the flat has six bedrooms and they are going to have to cut to five, or if young children (see Labour introduced guidelines) possibly four. Get your facts more amenable to the point you’re making like no children and a visitor bedroom and you’ve got the more common example.

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  22. 49
    Mad, Bad & Dangerous Gordon McRuin ( Member in absentia ) says:

    There were no epetitions when I took more than £ 100,000,000,000.00 in tax from Pensions.

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    • 487
      BBC USSR-style commissar (we'l'l get the fee put up don't worry boys) says:

      That was what paid for all those surplus bedrooms in the first place and now there Cameron’s introducing a vicious tax to cut benefits.

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  23. 50
    Terrible But True says:

    ‘They know what they are doing: being deliberately stupid to scare voters…’

    As with ‘cuts, Cuts, CUTSSS!’ thank heavens in the UK we have an honest, accurate and effective media estate to prevent such deliberate stupidity gaining traction… oh.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-21269109

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    • 488
      BBC USSR-style commissar (we'l'l get the fee put up don't worry boys) says:

      Everything is being cut. Lives are being cut only by Cameron. You will be cut probably by Cameron. Labour are not being stupid. They are awakening all voters to the very real threat of a tax on people’s bedrooms. Next we have leaked reports of a tax on Cheese.

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  24. 55
    Hannibal from Carthage says:

    Income tax 20% , corporation tax 20% and VAT 20% .

    Cut all subsidies and tax breaks.

    The Accountants seemingly unemployed will find other things to do.

    I doubt whether the Treasury will see any difference in revenues.

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    • 68
      Outside Westminster says:

      VAT at 20% is killing small businesses. Halve it.

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      • 130
        Benefit scroungers are Labours core vote says:

        If you want businesses around the world to base themselves here in the UK, cut corporation tax to zero.

        Unemployment would drop like a stone, tax reciepts would actually rise and welfare payments would slash themselves.

        It would require some joined up lateral thinking but alas, the coalition is as brain dead as the looting Labour party, on all matters tax.

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        • 240
          Outside Westminster says:

          I don’t want ‘businesses round the world’ to base themselves in the UK, not if they employ foreigners, especially ones the taxpayers subsidise, repatriate profits, pay no taxes and are a burden on our infrastructure.

          No, I would rather British businesses prosper, employ the existing population, pay taxes and enhance the nation’s wealth and knowledge. Any business willing to follow suit would, of course, be welcome, but otherwise, we already have the recipe for insipid overpriced coffee and Starbucks can fuck off.

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          • 2 late now says:

            +1

            If they did, lots of little local British coffee shops would pop up all over the place to replace them. The only problem might be with the rapacious landlords/ladies.

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    • 84
      on time and to budget says:

      Those four men in that photo could pass as competent today following the decision of least trouble taken by the CPS today .

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    • 379
      Hadrian (Emp.) says:

      Beware the Ides of March.

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  25. 56
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    Guido says the labour politicians are being deliberately stupid. Could it be that they are actually stupid, as this seems to make more sense.
    Maguire is a fart, that’s his excuse.

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  26. 61
    Benny Fitz-Clements says:

    Welfare costs: simply unsustainable…….

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      2 late now says:

      Tell her to take Germany out of the EU and then the whole lot would collapse and the world would get back to something like normality.

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  27. 67
    Timur says:

    I didn’t know that Labour was against taxes?

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  28. 71
    Left foot backward says:

    Scenes we’d like to see. #625

    Snow interviewing Mr Ballsup:

    Ballsup: The Tories have gone to far with this ‘bedroom tax’

    Snow: “In what way is this a tax, Mr. Balls”

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  29. 77
    Hilary Spurling says:

    It shows how entrenched the entitlement culture is. Reduce benefits for someone and they are being “taxed”.

    If Labour can’t even use the right words, no wonder they can’t get the numbers right when it comes to tax and the economy.

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  30. 79
    Mr Wilson says:

    Dear Mrs Wilson,
    Tonight I would like to put my little friend in the Pubic Domain.
    Yours in anticipation
    Rob Wilson MP

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    • 162
      VERITAS says:

      Dear Mr Wilson,the public domain is closed this week,red rag to a bull if you get my meaning yours as ever Mrs Wilson.

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      • 174
        Mr Wilson says:

        Dear Mrs Wilson,

        Now you have celebrated your 75 birthday, I am reliably informed that that excuse will no longer wash, if you get my meaning.
        Take 2 Aspirins, 2 Paracetamol, and 2 Ibuprofen before I get home.

        Yours still in anticipation

        Rob Wilson MP ( childless )

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  31. 82
    Jen The Blue says:

    Lefties lie and use scare tactics. Nothing new there either. Remember how the tories were to “privatise the health service”?

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  32. 86
    Chris Huhne says:

    I wish Guido and his co-conspiritors a superb week-end.

    See you on Monday !!!!!!

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  33. 90
    Mrs Jones says:

    Owen, just back from Tesco, they had a deal on Mansize Kleenex Tissues so I bought you two boxes. I’ve left one at the side of your bed, as per your instructions.
    You’re going through them quite quickly these days. I don’t understand it, you haven’t even got a cold.

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    • 171

      Mrs Owen.. if you can get Owen to stop rubbing it, it should heal up by itself.

      As for the socialist/marxist fantasies ,well , they are perfectly normal for a boy his age. Once he reaches his twenties and gets either a job or a partner, they will soon disappear. They are like bedwetting. Don’t make a big fuss & he will grow out of it.

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  34. 92
    The voice of unreason says:

    Labour shouldn’t have to be taxing …

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  35. 93
    Welsh activist. says:

    Jones needs to have a word with his mates here in Wales then. Labour have already sent out letters informing people they will be taking this money out of benefits or charging for extra bedrooms already.

    They are traducing the Tories for introducing this, whilst sitting back and rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of the extra revenue they will have to spend on themselves and the minorities. C*nts.

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  36. 101
    SP4BS says:

    “being deliberately stupid to scare voters”

    Its as if they were politicians or summit.

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  37. 102
    the general public says:

    Pot….kettle……black

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  38. 103
    Tay King-dePisse says:

    We can’t demand that “over-housed” benefits recipients downscale their living accommodations, how are they supposed to rent out their unused space on the sly for cash in hand? We are stifling their entrepreneurial incentive!
    Whatever happened to “To each according to need, from each according to ability”? If you do not NEED unused space, then why should you have it? You have the ability to rehouse yourself in a more appropriate unit– why should we not demand that you do so? Of course, this will require more and more bureaucrats and intrusiveness on the part of the State to be able to administer such a compulsory rehousing programme– you’d think Labour would go for something like that in a big way!
    What am I missing here?

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  39. 108
    anon says:

    Main story in the Mirror owned Liverpool Echo today – a family hit by Bedroom Tax- Tragic circumstances used as an example but Liverpool Echo faithfully reporting the Line To Take as instructed by Labour HQ. Propaganda masquerading as news.

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    • 159
      VERITAS says:

      Once again another Liverpool tragedy a city that never stops weeping it is the victim capital of the world.

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      • 160
        VERITAS says:

        PS another trick for one trick pony Steve Rotherham.

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      • 207
        Living in 96.98 percent white Merseyside says:

        Times are a changing matey. Weeping? On the contrary we are having a good laugh at the plight of Londistan, Islamabrum, Oxfordistan, Bradfordistan, Leicester, Rochdale, Luton and Bournemouth.

        What goes around comes around as they say!

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  40. 111
    YorkshireLad says:

    I thought the Bedropm Tax was a new wheeze based upon the Sex Enjoyment Tax as levied in Carry on Henry

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    • 440
      2 late now says:

      Did they not used to have an SET back in Maggie’s day? I seem to recall it stood for something else though.

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  41. 112
    Leftie Propaganda Dept says:

    Right chaps, next week we’ll get some more mileage from this. All operatives should start bleating about lack of social housing, but DO NOT mention that one of the causes of the “shortage” is too many people occupying properties larger than they need.

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    • 136
      Rightie Propaganda Dept says:

      I hope that everyone keeps schtum about the £12 billion of public money paid to private landlords in respect of housing benefit.

      Mr Goldstein and Mr Patel are doing very nicely and we wouldn’t want to upset them.

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      • 147
        Outside Westminster says:

        They will do, don’t worry, especially as so many Labour councillors are in the slum landlord game these days in places like Waltham Forest

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      • 169
        The Libor party says:

        Rents are rising in line with population increases. #Neathergate

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  42. 126
    Calamity Clegg says:

    VOTE LIBDEM !

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    • 194

      How many millionaire pensioners are there Nick?

      10 million? 1,000,000? 1,000? 10?

      And what exactly does it cost the state? Is Alan Sugar riding round London on a bus? No, he has a car and a chauffeur. Know why? because he is a millionaire! His bus pass costs nothing.

      And the heating allowance is £200. £200 x say a MAXIMUM of 300,000 ‘millionaire pensioners’ you’ve saved 60 million quid. Not bad..not bad at all.

      However, even a smallish department, like education, spends £99 million every day, you’ve managed to grab enough to save education until lunchtime.

      That is of course assuming there are 300k of millionaire pensioners{probably not}. That means testing is cost free {it isn’t} that collecting or not distributing a universal benefit is cost neutral {it won’t be} and a database of house prices less mortgage owing, incomes and assets is available to consult, {it isn’t}

      More likely you have saved enough cash to fund education for 1 day from school gates opening until the first coat is hung on a peg.

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      • 252
        Lock, stock and two smoking arseholes says:

        Are you sure that you’re an MP?

        You seem far too financially literate.

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      • 346
        Calamity Clegg says:

        There are almost 2,000,000 people over 60 in households with assets above £ 1 million. Amongst them there are 988,000 millionaires over 65.

        Most are asset rich, cash poor ( their ‘mansions’ ). Despite the fact these people mostly worked hard or got lucky and paid a chunk of taxes AND they can’t shift their ‘mansions’ out of our reach AND most importantly, aren’t lefties WE ARE COMING AFTER YOU….

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  43. 128
    albacore says:

    If Dave can’t tell his debts from his deficits
    While Labour talking taxes are total tits
    Is there owt at all we can take their word for?
    Better just accept they’re rotten to the core

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2271961/Cameron-gets-ticking-statistics-watchdog-boasting-TV-hed-cut-national-debt-risen-289billion.html

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  44. 133
    One good blog deserves another says:

    http://msjenniferjames.blog.co.uk/

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  45. 138
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    Labour is taxing.

    These days I always feel a little bit sad when I think of the labour party and how it was once created to represent the working classes and give them a voice.

    It is now such a corrupt, lying, worthless institution run by millionaire career ‘politicians’ – the folks who founded it must look down in horror at what it has become.

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    • 152
      (I don't need no doctor) says:

      Imagine what Robin Cook would say!

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      • 164
        rebekah aka nellnewman says:

        hmm I was thinking more of folks like keir hardy.

        although I know someone who worked with the diminutive robin when he was a minister in the labour govt and they said he was far superior to any of the other riff raff that were there.

        Of course that’s not difficult when you looked at folks like gordon, the militwit brothers and bullballs et al.

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  46. 140
    Ex-Tory says:

    iT might be moronic and stupid, but so are most of the electorate. When you have the monopolistic State broadcaster as your propoganda arm and an effective, tribal network of unscrupulous liars and hypocrites to push the message, there is only one winner.

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  47. 149
    Owen Jones (Guest Moderator) says:

    This blog is for ages 18+ only.

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  48. 150
    Blowing Whistles says:

    What does the “Independent” in the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) stand for?

    Could it really be “Completely, totally and utterly INDEPENDENT of the public and of public victims of police crimes against the public?”

    Innit all just about managing risk ‘n liability – from having to pay out for when they are caught with their trousers down / hand in the till / lying in court / wanting in their so called duty to the public?

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    • 192
      Not Blowing Whistles says:

      The ‘Independent’ in IPCC should mean independent of the police.

      However, literally, it would mean independent of ‘Police Complaints’.

      So the commission is independent of police complaints, hence has no business in dealing with police complaints of which it is independent.

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      • 302
        Blowing Whistles says:

        It’s a bit like going to a law firm in the first instance – to complain. The law firm will have an appointed person ‘within’ the firm who initially deals with the complaint. Invariably no wrongdoing will be found whatsoever in the initial complainants complaint. [Policemen policing themselves - think Regulation!!!]

        And with the coppers and the IPCC – well the IPCC firstly allow the pigs to conceal their own wrongdoing – and if the aggrieved member of the public has the stomach for the fight they will appeal the first ‘lockdown’ / ‘finding by the policemen policing themselves of no wrongdoing’.

        BTW – the police ‘consult’ … wait for it ‘lawyers’ as to how to obfuscate over and evade over complaints against them … well well – wheels within wheels …

        Police policing themselves using lawyers who police themselves too!

        Then things get interesting as with the law firms. Most people give up at the first hurdle – the legal system is designed like that for a reason.

        It aint only the IPCC which is stuffed with ex-pigs; HMIC just also happens to be stuffed with ex-pigs – well, well, well – what have we got here Officers of the C.ourt are you all a practicing little cartel of liars, deceivers, obfuscators and evaders from THE TRUTH?

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        • 331
          Not Blowing Whistles says:

          You are right. It falls apart at the first sign of corruption.

          Pleb gate appears to have proven that beyond all possible doubt.

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  49. 156
    VERITAS says:

    Never mind the bedroom tax Owen Jones the BBC are reporting that HIV in Gay and Bisexual men is not falling you have been warned.

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  50. 163
    David Brede says:

    Just think Guido, the Tories are presiding on the the biggest drop in living standards the country has seen in decades. Your party are going to have a nightmare over this in the polls till you are back on the opposition benches.

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    • 168
      Benny Fitz-Clements says:

      Yes ! Bring back Libor’s Client State. I like being trapped on benefits, I don’t want to get skilled-up and work and I certainly don’t care what example I set to Wayne & Waynetta. Them and their kids should get 25 grand a year and a Council house for life. It’s our human rights. Innit.

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      • 176
        VERITAS says:

        You summed it up Benny we are fuc,ed if Labour win the next GE

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      • 320
        Fishy says:

        Yes.

        QT last week the audience were demanding, more money to be spent on schools, more on welfare, more on defence, more on the the NHS, more infrastructure spending…then one (obviously poor!) member of the audience cut loose, ‘No we don’t want infrastructure spending, we need more benefits.’

        F.ucked, I tell you. The county is f.ucked.

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    • 177
      rebekah aka nellnewman says:

      OMG! what a load of twaddle. You’re not polly by any chance are you?

      When I was little, we had no central heating, no dishwasher, no electric washing machine, no fridge or freezer,no indoor loo, hot water was heated in a copper in the outhouse which is where the washing was also done and cooking was done on a black stove that was backed onto the fire in the living room . We had no car , we all biked everywhere on 2ndhand bikes.

      We had the most amazing stews, spotty dicks, cakes, puddings and pies all washed down with the most wonderful stewed tea. And we grew our own fruit and veg (I still do). My mother made a wicked ginger beer that used to occasionally explode in it’s bottles usually when we were asleep in bed. The inside of our bedroom windows use to freeze up in winter and create the most amazing patterns on the glass.

      We all had to work long hours to keep the household afloat. I have no doubt we were regarded as the poorest of the poor . Beyond a doubt we were the happiest. I certainly had the best childhood I could have had and I wouldn’t have changed a moment of it!!

      It was up to us to look after ourselves and our own and we would have regarded help from the state as shameful beyond bearing.

      Thing is you see labour have nurtured the entitlement culture and poverty has become a byword of it.

      It’s how to encourage people to believe they don’t need to achieve or work and if they have to they are being deprived. That is the culture that labour has come to represent in the hope that they can buy votes with it. Sad!

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      • 186
        P l e b says:

        You are wrong. We made progress over the last 50 years, until now, when we are going backwards.

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        • 187
          rebekah aka nellnewman says:

          Pleb I’d happily backpeddle all the way back to those childhood days .

          They were the happiest time of my life!

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          • P l e b says:

            Not for me Nell. But I can imagine a Monty Python sketch about you LOL

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          • Universal Hiss says:

            I share some of your memories with fondness.

            I also remember children crippled with polio. Miners dying in their 40s from lung disease.Rampant homophobia & racism.News dispensed to the plebs by rich remote newspaper barons & the BBC who had little interest in them.

            I’d rather live now.

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          • rebekah aka nellnewman says:

            Well UH, polio and emphysema was less about left and right politics and all about ignorance in medicine; not so much about poverty. Once polio was understood we had innoculation and that funny medicine on sugar cubes.

            The stokers and burners in the brickyards used to suffer the same problem as the miners – no-one really understood what was happening to their lungs. Now our medical knowledge is more advanced those jobs have been changed to minimise such risks.

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        • 249
          Outside Westminster says:

          Life will be better if kids no longer waste money ipods, ipads, and all the rest of the ispunk. A little period of working out what is important in life won’t do anyone any long-term damage.

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      • 222
        JH293923492384 says:

        Thank you.

        The entitlement culture will collapse, it is simply unsustainable.

        Those who are unable to get by without constant injections of other people’s cash – taxed now or borrowed from the future – are in for a rough ride. Doubtless they will go out their way to make the lives of others a misery too, but they will have to learn to actually provide for themselves or perish.

        I have popcorn ready.

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      • 240
        VERITAS says:

        Did you acquire STD from eating your spotty dick?

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        • 243
          VERITAS says:

          PS Was Hovis your bread of choice sounds to me as if you lived in Dotheboys Hall.

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        • 248
          rebekah aka nellnewman says:

          spotty dick was all about suet pastry and sultanas steamed with lemon juice and brown sugar. Yum!

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          • VERITAS says:

            Pot Pie slowly cooked steak and kidney with a suet crust and lightly boiled cabbage,forgetting my ironic/sarcastic comments you life story resemebles mine and as you say the happiest days of my life and that not sentimental nostalgia but fact.

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          • Lord Mendelsohn of Bummingham says:

            If I had a quid for every portion of spotted dick I’ve had in my mouth, I’d be a rich man.

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          • Exceptionally ancient seafarer says:

            .. and lovely bread and dripping doorsteps and a glass of milk or cocoa before bed. Them woz the dayze!

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      • 298
        Anonymous says:

        this is very authentic.
        and very worthwhile.
        best way to learn the lessons of life – a sense of duty and the fundamentals of good health and general wellbeing.

        all else is fake.
        that we have today in our big brother state.
        but our lives do represent who we are and everyone is different.

        The expansion of the state has been the biggest sob story of the century gone past.
        .
        .
        when there is a sob story then the partners of those who want our sympathy always get up to “mis.chief”.

        no point blaming labour or the political class as a whole…there are much bigger players… they know all the dimensions of reality. we are all mickey mouse in comparison except the mighty cat, no doubt.
        .
        .

        centuries of effort has gone into getting us to where we are today. we have been social engineered. we have allowed it. that,s how tiny our mental outlook is in comparison….a speck on the landscape….though God has a different, and more correct view. we sleepwalk

        while those with true knowledge know all there is to know, except the unknowable. As cat said the more you know the more you realise that really and truly we know nothing.
        .
        .
        The only way out for those in need is to work thru the soul that resides in our heart. For while the soul sleeps, the world of the senses is in charge and those who are not on their knees will be brought down. It is very understandable why the good sense of the past has been lost, not only of the time of our childhood but the thoughts of the ancient spiritual masters.

        The Gods on earth, stimulated by their resentful relations with their fathers have celestial ambitions and the the rest have no choice but to kneel….it is time for humility. It is quite possible that the special people of today are those who resented their childhood duty towards their fathers.

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      • 328
        Fishy says:

        Those were my memories too! And as kids we were able to play as we pleased, we were free, knew who to avoid and all adults weren’t treated as a potential paedos.

        I think, Nell you should build a few hundred words around that and let Fraser have it across at Coffee House (Isabel Hardman eat your heart out).

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    • 210
      Living in 96.98 percent white Merseyside says:

      Doesn’t affect me. For the time being my pensions and benefits remain as solid as the Rock of Gibraltar.

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      • 239
        VERITAS says:

        According to the Gibraltar Geological Centre the Rock is crumbling at a rate which suggests it may crumble soon.You should have had shares in Binns and Joplings.

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        • 291
          Living in 96.98 percent white Merseyside says:

          In time the Rockies may tumble
          Gibraltar may crumble
          They’re only made of clay
          But my benefits are here to stay

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  51. 166
    Mike Hunt says:

    Why do they lie and scaremonger?
    Because they KNOW most of the electorate are idiots who fall for it every time.
    No matter how many times it is explained unless it is on Jeremy Kyle they don’t hear the truth.
    This is why still 40% of people would still vote the for lying scum bags who got us into this mess who are responsible for several illegal wars, mass immigration, vast debts which we as a country are never likely to pay off and who STILL have no policies.

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    • 179
      rebekah aka nellnewman says:

      labour lie because they have no truth to tell.

      Or indeed if they told the truth of their own position and what they’d do in power no-one is going to vote for them.

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      • 182
        Labour Watch says:

        Labour have to try because their real truth would cause a revolution.

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        • 185
          Labour Watch says:

          That should have been lie not try.

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          • rebekah aka nellnewman says:

            militwit’s policy is to join us to the euro and give even more powers to the EU, to have an open door policy for immigration and a spend, tax and print money policy to match gordon’s.

            Five more years of labour and we might never dig ourselves out of the hole they left us!

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          • Labour Watch says:

            Which is why his policy sheet is blank at present.

            The Euro may not be around by GE time though.

            It is what Labour may want to do if they get into power and the EU collapses that we should be thinking about. The left have a nasty habit of killing off what they consider to be state assets when those assets are of no further value to them.

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    Owin Jones says:

    As we began the head to head I regretted entering a cock fight with a black man.

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    Tax doesn’t have to be taxing.

    But it is.

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  54. 184
    Sir Aston Martin says:

    Who cares? We’ll be taken over by China by the end of the decade.

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      Ch!na Watch says:

      Why should they want to do that ?

      So long as Europe does not pose a strategic threat to Ch!na’s interests there is no reason for them to over-reach in that way.

      Lack of direct investment from Ch!na is more likely to be the scenario to worry about and a problem.

      This is one of their newer acquisitions though:

      http://tinyurl.com/akhvksd

      They have figured out that controlling the distribution is the key.

      That is a good reason for UK to detach from the corpse of Europe and start getting back to what it is good at. The competition cannot be met with that millstone around our neck.

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    • 292
      Jacob Bronowski says:

      Hello Asty, love!

      That last thing you did with Simon Limp Wrist Schama didn’t go too wel,l did it?

      Want to reconsider? Sky have been paying me a bundle since so you will have to sharpen your pencil a bit.

      JB

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    • 464
      iNok says:

      The Chinese will have to fight the muhammedans first.

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  55. 189
    Anonymous says:

    Osbo on BBC right now saying the deficit is down by a quarter.
    More lies.

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    • 227
      JH293923492384 says:

      FTSE up 25% since coalition took power too.

      Remind us what happened under Labour’s glorious reign 1997-2010 (remember?)

      Let me remind you. It started at approx 4700, and ended at 5200 – over a period of 13 years. I wouldn’t like to see that adjusted for inflation.

      It lurched up and down in between, which was strange because boom and bust had been banished.

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      • 242
        Economist says:

        FTSE rise is more to do with people diversifying out of Gilts and Cash because the $hit is about to hit the fan.

        The big bust is coming, and that is mainly to do with Labour’s lying about end of boom and bust.

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        • 465
          Binky says:

          The sh1t has already hit the fan as far as cash is concerned.

          Keeping it in a B.Soc and it won’t even keep up with inflation, and QE has devalued it even against the doomed Euro.

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    • 308
      annoyed user says:

      The defecit is down in real terms (fiscal year 2010 pounds), which is why Labour never use the real yardstick of public spending and borrowing.

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  56. 195
    Universal Hiss says:

    It’s another muddle by big government yet again.

    One bed roomed flats attract a premium.

    So one person in a two bed roomed local authority/housing association home would have benefits reduced or have to pay part of the rent on a low income.

    Person relocates to private one bed roomed flat in the overheated private sector. Rent much higher. Local authority meets the increased costs,up to local limit.

    Net loss to tax payers(which includes the tenant as 60%of housing benefit is paid to those in work).

    More paperwork,more council workers to administer ever more complex benefits,more grief for no benefit to anyone.

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    • 198
      rebekah aka nellnewman says:

      My hubby has just said the very same thing whilst we were discussing this thread.

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      Shirley Porter says:

      In my day they called it gerrymandering…

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    • 262
      Lock, stock and two smoking arseholes says:

      Lots of benefit for Mr Goldstein and Mr Patel. Their property portfolios will be earning even more than the £12 billion each year that’s currently planned.

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  57. 196
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    Talking of taxes – I read the other day that labour said georgieporgie had levied some 200 new taxes since 2010.

    That’s bad of course but I bet he’s nowhere near reaching gordon’s record of the number of taxes introduced under the last labour government because it ran into thousands!

    We used to have a joke here that gordon would be taxing breathing next!

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    • 217
      Universal Hiss says:

      I read that the cons will be aiming their sights at pensioners after 2015. You know the fripperies of bus passes,heating allowance,tv tax.

      They need not bother as they are unlikely to form the next government.

      FFS do all the brains walk out of the door when they can affix MP after their names?

      Just make heating allowance taxable.We did have a very efficient tax collecting department until Gordon made it unworkable by giving it tax credits to administer.Completely alien to its culture.Then slash its workforce.

      How many rich pensioners use a bus pass? The figure must be so small it’s not worth fretting about.You also alienate the demographic with the highest voter turnout.

      Tv tax? Sack the BBC & all who sail in her.

      There. Fixed it for you Iain Fucking Smith.

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      • 338
        Fishy says:

        I think that you might have read wrong.

        It’s the yellows that have said that universal benefits will have to be reconsidered in return for them agreeing to further welfare cuts.

        (according to ‘The независимый’, Lib Dems would only consent to further welfare cuts in the 2015/16 spending review if the Tories were prepared to cut pensioner benefits)

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        • 442
          Exceptionally ancient seafarer says:

          By then I think the pensioners will have decided to cut the Libdems completely (ably assisted by extortionate fee-paying students of course).

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  58. 197
    Off-Topic, but.... says:

    Gun control in the U.S.A.

    No wonder that some americans feel the need to be armed to keep the lefty lunatics at bay.

    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/02/01/after-much-discussion-leftist-nutcases-determine-that-this-girl-is-not-a-terrorist-after-all/

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      US Watch says:

      Absolute right to exercise 2nd amendment is why Americans arm themselves.

      This is an example of why that right was put in the constitution.

      Not having the ability to protect your family leads to this:

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2128987/Children-stolen-state.html

      The article you cite explains one reason why more families are home schooling rather than sending their children to the public schools in the US.

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      • 215
        Off-Topic, but.... says:

        And if we had a 2nd amendment we would not be in the EU, nor have the overpaid undertaxed witless wankers of westminster telling us waht to do and think.

        carlsberg don’t do amendments but…

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        • 235
          US Watch says:

          Well the right is there, but everything got stripped away from the UK in 1997 and after.

          It certainly helps adjust the attitude of those who would otherwise want to oppress you.

          Half the battle can be won without the gun. Just think what you want, and ignore the messages which tell you otherwise. Anyone paying attention recently may have noticed just how the open borders with Europe have been.

          The bad thing about gun prohibition is that the government really doesn’t know just how many are out there and who really has them. Prohibition in the US didn’t stop the juice flowing…

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          • from last night
            Another extremely lucid expressed exposition…

            http://bit.ly/14DVDNl

            …is only part of the answer.

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          • NYT Watch says:

            Caught that, and broadly agree with all: Was waiting for the troll situation to calm down a bit. The other part of the reply hasn’t appeared yet.

            I do not think Germany are fire eaters at all, far from it. One thing they are very sensitive to is inflation. The hyperinflation of the 1920/30’s is still very much alive in the public consciousness and is a real red line for the people there. They will not be interested in fighting a war, but that does not necessarily mean they are interested in peace.

            Timelines: Not convinced about decades any more myself, power is shifting too quickly. But that is not saying you are wrong or I am right: That would be a foolish assertion on my part.

            I think the only guidelines are the maturities on certain types of financial instrument which were being thrown around during the boom, particularly from 1997 and going out to 15Y / 20Y.

            No one is right, particularly on timings, until history has happened.

            Ch!na Watch left an interesting article above which you may want to read.

            This recent episode of Ke!ser report is also interesting:

            http://tinyurl.com/9wz7how

            (Worth looking up E399 which had Ann!e Mach0n talking about internet in second half, J@pan first half)

            NB: My musings on economy I wrote ahead of watching this. My assumptions are that power distorts the market, and local politics play a much larger role in economic decisions than the free m@rketeers have touted.

            Ke!ser is correct on the money market / currency / derivative stuff, but is blind to most of the political aspects. He lost some credibility by making timing predictions, particularly on when Silver start to follow gold. Only recommend as he condenses and presents well and factually + crucially, when he is in the wrong or out of comfort zone, you can see it and he also admits it.

            One elephant in the room which you touched on right at the end is easily forgotten. And that is the unwinding of the great carry trade which was started when J@pan cut it’s lending rates to essentially 0 back in the early 90s.

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          • Have not even written the other part yet! :-)

            It has been one of those days where I have not spent much time here, save a bit of fly swatting, but it has ended up well as a dear friend has won his first (and hopefully only) battle with the big C.

            Not something I would wish upon my worst enemy.

            Interesting vid half watched: zombie banks/zombie economies …people have gotten used to the corpses all over the place … they don’t even recognise the smell any more…! How true!

            Think the major points were covered but various small items o/s.

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          • NYT Watch says:

            Yes Ke!ser has some fairly strong views on the matter. Not sure if you are familiar with him, but his background likely similar to yours in terms of industry experience.

            The zombie stuff seems like a joke, but is meant quite seriously. The stagflation which has crept into many places is testament.

            Good luck to your friends recovery. No, not pleasant at all, being positive very important.

            The Ch!na Watch article above is interesting as balochistan is going to be undergoing some interesting development over the next few years. The clearing of people has already started. This looks like it is all to do with TAPI, as well as extension of Ch!nese sphere of influence towards Afghanistan. !ndia may have missed an opportunity here.

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          • Thank you for the wishes for my friend. It raises an interesting point for me. I count myself as a non-theist as none of the other terms do my position justice. Every human is fallible so one must allow for this in oneself.

            My friend comes from a Catholic country. He is married with a daughter.

            My mother lives in France and attends a CofE church there. I have friends all over the world of all types of religions. There are hundreds of people praying for this man on the basis of what I have told them. Africa, States, Europe, Asia. I have passed this information back to the suffering family and I know directly, but also through others, that this knowledge has been of great strength to them.

            I believe this and have acted as a messenger despite not being religious myself. It is curious how thought works and am glad if I have played just a tiny part in helping them. I shall pass on your message which I know is sincere and is part of the cumulative effort of goodwill.

            Quite off-topic but revelatory.

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  59. 204
    Mutually assured Labour destruction says:

    Remember 24 hours to save the NHS …3 months to save the NHS

    Labour utter utter scumbags one and all

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    • 255
      Outside Westminster says:

      No, I wasn’t paying any attention. Was that before or after Labour lost the last election due to a lack of credibility?

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  60. 208
    Mutually assured Labour destruction says:

    It’s second lead item on the evening news…. They refer to it as a bedroom tax

    Labour scaring the public again and achieving their objective. Utter total fucking scum !

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  61. 212
    Superman says:

    PR rules. Bernard Ingham started it all. Press don’t give a shit as it sells papers. Guido may be right but he is boringly pedantic.

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  62. 218
    Idiot says:

    British children just want to be footballers and pop stars, Cameron tells African pupils as he promises more help to tackle poverty.

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  63. 219
    Intellectually crippled @ the bbc says:

    A bunch of arrogant scroubgers.

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  64. 223
    Brown out and pay me damages. says:

    Typical thick as shyte socialists expecting us to buy into their pathetic games.

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  65. 225
    Edinburgh can stick its auto suggestions up its deluded arsehole says:

    A bunch of lying boring socialists. The truth is a stranger to them.

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  66. 226
    When I was a lad it was nearer 18 hrs a week says:

    “Parents are forcing their children to commute for up to 10 hours a week to get into the most sought-after private schools in Britain, a head teacher warned today.”

    In Uganda it’s about a 3 week walk each way, and they are over-subscribed

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    • 233
      JH293923492384 says:

      I would need to get the 7.30 but to get to school in the morning, and get home for about 5.15.

      Two hours a day, including a fair walk to/from town centre to the school.

      Ten hours.

      Some people are in for such a shock when this edifice of entitlement falls on us.

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      • 266
        Universal Hiss says:

        My daughter did a two hour bus journey a day to get to her bog standard comp as many rural school children do.

        Private schools bleating again? Can’t buy your pupils a place at the best universities?

        How dreadful.

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  67. 228
    Anonymous says:

    The BBC have been harping on all day about islamaphobia.
    In this this news report they even go as far as to hide the fact the attacker was wearing a niqab . It’s like they don’t really want the attacker to be caught. This information could lead to an arrest. Huff Poo are no better,they say the attacker wore a mask.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21299687

    The Evening Standard, The Daily Mail and Independent are able to tell the truth.
    Shame once again on the BBC and Huff post.

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  68. 229
    Thick Jean fae Edinburgh says:

    Lying, thick as shit scrounging arsewipes. The whole lot of them.

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  69. 230
    Mr Ed : Labour Campaign Anthem says:

    ♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫….

    A tax is a tax, of course, of course,
    And no one can force you to tax of course
    That is, of course, unless the tax is the famous benefit cut.

    Go right to the source and ask the Beeb
    They’ll give you the answer that we’ll endorse.
    They’re always on a steady course.
    Vote Labour.

    …♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫

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  70. 232
    The BBC have damages to pay me says:

    What do expect from the socialist c-nts? The truth?

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  71. 234
    Owin Jones says:

    Guido, the DNA results prove ……… you are talking bollocks !

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  72. 244
    Does u wanna pump my little winky, dear? says:

    “The same applies to the nanny ‘tax’, the mummy ‘tax’, and all the other fake ‘taxes’ Labour types are inventing, a long with that imaginary “cheque” Cameron “wrote” to all those millionaires.”

    Shouldn’t that read: “The same applies to the nanny ‘tax’, the mummy ‘tax’, and all the other fake ‘taxes’ Labour types are inventing, along with that imaginary “cheque” Cameron “wrote” to all those millionaires.”?

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    • 254
      Anne Drecks says:

      Maybe. Are you one of of these people that leave “snowfalls” of two day-old, re-pulped, tissue-paper on the toilet seat after you’ve left?

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  73. 246
    The BBC can stick its auto suggestions up its scrounging arsehole. says:

    Socialist =lying, bullying, money grubbing, parasites. They are too thick to make decisions for themselves.

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  74. 250
    VERITAS says:

    We live in an entitlement society fuelled by a welfare state which is grotesque in its size and the way in which it is open to abuse on a monumental scale.The fact is that it is too late to alter the mindset that exist in most northern cities which is the state will provide fro cradle to grave which kindles the lack of ambition,poverty of intellect and any knowledge that citzenship is about responsibilities as well as rights.The game is over and it does not matter one iota who wins the next election as Livingston once noted if voting made a difference they would abolish it.

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  75. 251
    Goldrush says:

    If only everyone in the world could match up to your moral compass then the world would be a better place. I’m sure we all felt surreal like this, once.

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  76. 261
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    I’m going to give my bus pass hell this weekend. Of course I can well afford to pay my own way, but I’m a lefty hypocrite.

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  77. 263
    Socialists are murderers says:

    Dr Kelly
    Robin Cook

    And about 120m others…

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  78. 264
    DURRRRR.......... says:

    Am I missing something here? Labour are not going to be in power for another two years and four months, are they?

    Why is this blog even giving them air-time?

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    • 271
      Guido Fawkes says:

      It’s something to do between pints.

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    • 424
      Socialism is generalized National Socialism says:

      It looks like our host himself had to vent, and cannot blame him either.

      The claws need to be sharpened in readiness for the weeks ahead, judging by the commentary here.

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  79. 273
    Operation Crossbow says:

    There should be a twat tax levied on the left.. Owen Jones and old toilets would pay off our deficit quicker than a beeboid doing a line of Charlie

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  80. 278
    Tom Catesby says:

    f Cameroon and Gideon could find a way to tax what happens in many bedrooms, the country would be out of the s**t in a month.

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  81. 283
    We need a U-Bend posting to help us upload says:

    After searching for, literally, three seconds, I proffer this gem:

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    • 290
      Elsie Beattie (83 and a quarter) says:

      So, as The Beatles imploded, they allowed any old nig-nogs to join in, dear?

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      • 300
        No KIDDING!!! says:

        So you’d better email me, *It’s my castle, even if I don’t own it says:*

        Explain yourself, an that.

        I checks my box reguly an I gonna do it next month. Ta.

        P.S. Nothin I doesn’t know already ; )

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        • 344
          David, call me Prime Minister if you like says:

          U Okies , I spose . Jus a bit control-freaky bout ur precious space , babes .

          lol @ DavePM.useless.co.uk

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  82. 286
    Peter says:

    It matters not what the terminology is, Guido, the result will be the removal of a substantial amount of money from the poorest in our society and through no fault of their own. The Tories may be trying to punish the feckless and workshy but I’m afraid that in this case the collateral damage will be enormous for a lot of decent people. Now, I absolutely hate being on the same side as the likes of Owen Jones and the rest of the socialist dross, but on this iniquitous matter I’ll just have to grin and bear it.

    Peter

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    • 295
      Guido Fawkes says:

      You are boring Stewart and I claim my five Euros. Now, fuck off my blog.

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    • 306
      Universal Hiss says:

      Agree totally.

      I really don’t want to be part of such a society.It’s so easy to stigmatize people & it’s easy,lazy politics.Benefit fraud is tiny & could easily stamped out with a will to do so.

      I’m sure the real problems lie with 40 years of left-wing education in this country which will probably take another 20 years to put right.

      At the moment immigration policy doesn’t really help matters.We cannot afford to house,educate & provide health care for the world & his wives.

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      • 330
        Who you gonna call - gangmasters. says:

        Less of that – big money for some in unlimited immigration.

        Follow the money.

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  83. 309
    Blowing Whistles says:

    So Rupee has got himself his first scapegoat offering to the public – a police woman no less – 15 months. There may well be many more and of course they will be ‘offered up to the public’ to give the impression that some for of justice has been done. One suspects that the Redbekka bint and coolson will slither off the hook however while many others who rupee couldn’t give a f/i/uc/g/k about take the jailtime for him and his useless coke addicted son.

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  84. 311
    Athelstan says:

    You have to make room for all those lovely Romanian and Bulgarian gangsters to live in social housing.

    If you don’t like it vote UKIP. If you are a socialist vote BNP they are National SSocialist

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  85. 313
    Spank me batum says:

    In case you woz grubbin aroun for weevils , here woz the most interestin post from last week :

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  86. 314
    Dr Gobbels on why the BBC failed on bedroom tax says:

    The following princpals were not follwed:

    1) To be perceived, propaganda must evoke the interest of an audience and must be transmitted through an attention-getting communications medium.

    2) Propaganda may be facilitated by leaders with prestige.

    3) Propaganda to the home front must diminish the impact of frustration.

    4) Propaganda must be carefully timed.

    5) Propaganda must label events and people with distinctive phrases or slogans.
    – They must be boomerang-proof

    Most of the rest is fine though:

    http://www.psywarrior.com/Goebbels.html

    However, if people think about it, is a bedroom tax really credible ?

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  87. 315
    Osama the Nazarene says:

    Thank you Sir Guido for that very clear explanation. Liebor live up to their name.

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  88. 319
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Far be it for me to diss nutters on the telly who ought to be sectioned – but being somewhat of an expert at dissing psychiatricksters [e.g. Dr David Southall - who having watched Sally Clark on CH4 - condemned the woman on the back of MSbP - the busted theory of Sir Prof Roy Meadows] who would have us believe that dissidents are x,y and z to satisfy their overriding objectives

    Russell Brand on ch4 News ought to be sectioned – the man is not in control of his faculties, he is a narcissistic deluded celebrity – who apperas to have ‘lost the plot’. Oh … hold on a minute

    there have been some arrests of officers in the plebgate debacle and all of them appear to be from the diplomatic group – who protect politicians – they will be the same as the so19 officers who worked for the labour government in chaoots with FTAC – who on orders went hunting down dissidents in the UK and guess what; they were funded ‘directly by the then labour government’ – [so not likely to throw any dirt at the then government eh!] I wonder if these Diplomatic officers are a remnant of the brown era or if they have some dirtier common purpose?

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    • 340
      Not Blowing Whistles says:

      Russell Brand does need help. A combination of J R0SS and the death of W!nehouse I think pushed him over the edge. Recently he appears to me to be suffering from PTSD.

      Common Purpose all the way: Parasites which make the case for McCarthyism.

      The problem most miss is that it is the c!vil service which is the problem at the moment, not the politicians. (Except Ed Balls and certain others on the Labour benches)

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      • 343
        Blowing Whistles says:

        Ed Balls – has some issues – BIG issues which go back to Haringey council and what CP have been getting up to there … not just baby P – but other issues which the too silent toories are of a want to not speak of either – indeed???

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        • 353
          Not Blowing Whistles says:

          Agreed. Haringey needs to be cleaned.

          Mr. Balls, once he is out of the public eye, will hopefully be dealt with for his involvement in the Baby P and other cases. Lawyers will not be required.

          More importantly though, the in camera family court stuff has got to stop.

          Closed courts have no place in an open democracy.

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    • 352
      (I don't need no doctor) says:

      C4 News is very weird, very weird indeed. Just what is their agenda?

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  89. 337
    anon. says:

    “Indeed, sometimes when you go into the Strangers Bar you feel as though you are in Rupert street. It is virtually a gay bar now, and my husband sometimes worries about whether I should be allowed in there any more.”

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/01/13/chris-bryant-mp-on-the-house-of-commons-gay-bar/

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  90. 347
    Saffron says:

    This liebour bunch of politico’s are far far remote from what the original purpose of what this party was supposed to represent from it’s inception.
    They are now nothing more than a bunch of troughers and political liars for their own ends and do not represent what is reallity.
    They are aided and abetted by the left wing supposedly neutral BBC who frankly need shutting down as their bias is painful to see and hear.
    Bedroom tax seems to be all the rage now,from people who don’t seem to know what the definition of tax is,or who don’t want to know.These particular benefits are not sustainable.
    Benefits once upon a time were meant to help people who were under stress,however when these benefits become a way of life for some people then it needs to be looked at.
    Liebour in their distasterous period of office pandered to their benefit orientated people in order to gain a liebour voting reliant clietele.
    Now to Cammoron/Clegg and their policies.
    My message is this:-
    CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME WITH OUR PEOPLE.
    1) OUT OF THE EUSSR
    2) STOP FOREIGN AID
    3) GET TO GRIPS WITH IMMIGRATION
    4) STOP INTERFERING IN OTHER NATIONS WARS
    5) FORGET YOUR PR CRAP AND GET YOURSELF BEHIND YOUR OWN COUNTRY.

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  91. 354
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    Labour’s policy is to lie, something Ed Miliband and his halfwit comrades do with ease.

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  92. 356
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    Labour’s lies have gone too far and too fast.

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  93. 360
    Casual Observer says:

    How about an armoury ? Could get the message across.

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    • 365
      Casual Observer says:

      First floor dungeon ? That would be progressive at least.

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    • 370
      Casual Observer says:

      Liking the idea as well. If not pigeons, then perhaps fish ? Good salt water set up takes a bit of space. (Maybe not good upstairs though if floor not strong).

      Or, from the states: Man Cave.

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  94. 364
    Prophylactic pete says:

    Why don’t all of the councils in England check who is actually living in these council houses. Are they the true tenants or have they ‘bought the key’? At least 20% of tenants in social housing are not legally living in these properties.
    Oh and bung a pack of johnnies through the letter box – stop ‘em procreating.

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  95. 368
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    So labour think they can win the next election on a policy fighting any reduction in welfare benefits, promising to take the brake off immigration and a tax,spend and print money policy that would make gordon look like an economic genius and ruin UK for several generations to come!

    Yes we really want them back!!

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  96. 375
    RED ED MILLIONAIREBAND says:

    Then the Banque de France’s latest data revealed that in the two months following Hollande’s first budget, last autumn, capital outflows had risen to €53 billion. The smartest money may already have left France.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/8835421/hollande-runs-into-the-sand/

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  97. 376
    Saffron says:

    Nell
    We need LIEBOUR back like we need a headache,this party are the party from hell in terms selling this country down the river big time for political advantage.
    But Nell don’t forget we now have a double party of assholes who are doing the same thing in a different way.
    All of them are spawned from the same asshole in that they could’nt give a toss as long as they are ok.
    Can we eventually rid ourselves of these assholes,well who knows,hopefully we can and return this country to what it used to be.
    But Nell I am afraid that it is stacked against us through treachery from our ruling classes.

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  98. 377
    Socialist sophistry says:

    Then the Banque de France’s latest data revealed that in the two months following Hollande’s first budget, last autumn, capital outflows had risen to €53 billion. The smartest money may already have left France.

    Faced with a major economic crisis — rising unemployment, low growth, rising public debt and waning productivity — Hollande’s inability to attain the necessary heights of political authority has been acknowledged by his most devoted supporters. The minister of defence, a close political ally, recently said, ‘He has proved that he is normal’ (in contrast to his hyperactive predecessor, Nicolas Sarkozy). ‘Now he must show that he can raise his game to the required level.’

    Hollande was elected on the promise that he would end Sarko’s austerity programme and replace it with a dynamic period of growth driven by increased government spending. ‘Austerity is not inevitable,’ was his campaign slogan. He promised to cancel Sarkozy’s proposed increase in VAT, renegotiate Sarkozy’s assent to the European Budget Treaty and crack down on ‘le capitalisme sauvage’.

    In fact, Hollande was forced to introduce a budget that cut government spending by €10 billion and increased taxes, including VAT, and the European Treaty has been signed exactly as it stood. As for the
    wicked capitalists, in his New Year’s Day speech Hollande flattered them as ‘men of talent’ and urged them to lead the drive for growth.

    Whereas United Kingdom unemployment is now below 8 per cent, and falling, France’s unemployment figures have been rising for 19 months in succession, making it impossible for Hollande to escape his due share of responsibility. In the course of his five-year presidency Sarkozy saw unemployment rise by 1.1 million. In his first six months Hollande managed to increase it by a further 240,000. This has made the Elysée’s explanation for the figures — that they were due to historical low growth and long-term industrial decline — ring rather hollow. Unemployment is now above 10.5 per cent, a level that is regarded as catastrophic. A record 4.6 million people in France are seeking work.

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  99. 380
    EU Watch says:

    Big people smuggling ring across Europe busted today:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/31/world/europe/human-trafficking-arrests/index.html?hpt=ieu_c2

    Wonder why was not mentioned much in UK news ?

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    • 384
      Bollocks Broadcasting Corporation says:

      This is of no interest to our viewers. They have told us overwhelmingly that they are only interested in Strictly Come Dancing and repeats of antiques programmes.

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  100. 381
    Obambu Odamwingi says:

    Please Mistah Cameron it is time for next instalment of foreign aid. My fleet of Mercedes is over one year old and needs to be replaced.

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  101. 388
    Ed Balls, dog fondler says:

    Vote Labour

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  102. 389
    David, call me Prime Minister if you like says:

    Help me, guys, pulleeeeze *sad face*. My fellow subjects: J’avais besoin de knowing what time Lesbian Vampire Killers starts and on which channel je suis should be viewing it.
    The petit-Cams are all monged-out, playing Angry Turds and SamCam is in the basement with our Portuguese slave, Alfredo, doing the *ironing*.
    I feel the need to chillax, pull my trousers down, and munch on a handful of nuts whilst viewing something saucy, guys.
    Any advice would be mucho appreciated, n’est pas.

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  103. 392
    rumpleforeskin says:

    So, if you’ve just finished giving away 1,111.4 billion uk pounds at the rate of 1 per second when would you have started giving them away ?

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  104. 398
    Hmm says:

    Chris Bryant was also once asked by ex-News International Chief Executive Rebekah Brooks: “Oh, Mr Bryant, it’s after dark – shouldn’t you be on Clapham Common?”

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  105. 400
    Casual Observer says:

    St3phen K!ng is gutted because he didn’t come up with the plot first, and the school wasn’t in Maine.

    Sh33n has had an !cke style meltdown.

    Lefty liberal b/s: Entitled to their views, and under the new rules neither may be allowed firearms. K!ng due to his history of domestic abuse, Sh33n because he is psychotic.

    Check Sheen’s Winning Recipes for further details:

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhl3si_charlie-sheen-s-winning-recipes_fun#.UQxPPOQ1mSo

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    • 425
      Casual Observer says:

      Ryan / Hungerford ?

      There are more in US but then they have a higher population and a lot more nutters. The nutter situation is sorting itself out though, since leaded petrol was withdrawn.

      Meat cleaver guy should have been in a secured hospital.

      Dunblaine: Still unfinished business there and unanswered questions. Why the 100 year seals ?

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    • 426
      Casual Observer says:

      She falsely accused him of assault in order to make a name for herself, and moreover attempted to extort $1m out the guy.

      http://tinyurl.com/aao63wm
      (Daily Mail article on the matter)

      Still do not understand why he dropped the extortion law suit, unless he figured that he was not going to get the legal fees back.

      One aspect of Sh33n’s crazy is that he is a nice crazy. But that leaves him wide open to predatory attacks like this. Kind of sad, but that is the way of the world.

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      • 427
        Casual Observer says:

        No – it was b/s. Publicity stunt and afterwards attempted extortion.

        The tinyurl was broken: This is the DM piece:

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1332409/Charlie-Sheen-offered-Capri-Anderson-20k-hotel-room-incident.html#axzz2JhIxjGn2

        If he had done all that he would have been locked up, and certainly would not have been exchanging text messages with her as is on the record. The messages and lack of physical evidence destroyed her case.

        Capri is a ‘porn star’ : She is not shameless, but simply a whore on film, and a good actress.

        Sounds like Sh33n got in a little over his head trying to cut her a publicity break. Not sure about her stealing the watch. That is about as credible as her story.

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      • 445
        Casual Observer says:

        Maybe, but like he doing her more a favor, she tried to make more than her fair share.

        The extortion suit against her rules out just a simple collusion as you outline, especially as it was left running for so long.

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  106. 406
    Labour Party says:

    Tax more, spend more, and hand the bill to our children.

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  107. 412
    John Prescott says:

    I’m very taxing in the bedroom.

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  108. 415
    I piss on socialists says:

    Is anyone surprised? Labour have got dirty tricks and propaganda down to an art form.

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    • 421
      The Absolute and Utter Tosser in No 10 says:

      I, on the other hand, have no form, no ‘art’ form, and no capability in any form – except form a compliant ‘yes’ man to all the socialist drivel of Tony and all the fucking nonsense from the LibDimwits.

      I think that sums it up.

      Oh, – and Angela, – I go with anything she says – or wants.

      except I can’t get a hard on for her – do I need special training?

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  109. 423
    Blair is a piece of shit says:

    The Blairs have purchased their SEVENTH property in a £1.35m cash purchase. How I wish Blair and his wife would die of cancer.

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  110. 428

    Іt ѕееmѕ аѕ thоugh Thісk аѕ Thіеvеѕ, Hаrdwіdgе, Саnvаѕ аnd Tаpеѕtry hаvе аll mаdе thеіr rеturn аt ѕоmе pоіnt tоnіght.

    І knоw іt саnnоt bе аѕ thеy аrе аll lоng dеаd. Thе wіnd mаkеѕ ѕuсh ѕtrаngе nоіѕеѕ аnd І thоught І hеаrd hеаvy fооtѕtеpѕ оn thе сrеаkіng ѕtаіrѕ…

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    • 431
      Chlöe Sal Gerbeeba says:

      You credit the latest hatchlings with too much intelligence.
      The Bolshevik Brainwashing Corporation has been at work.

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      • 444
        JH293923492384 says:

        He has lost it, he used to make me laugh until piss shot out my nipples.

        Now just another media cleverer-than-you leering out the screen.

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  111. 429
    albacore says:

    Dear me, the great and good are having fits
    For – oh no! – they’ve discovered porky bits
    Might just have been fed to villains in clink
    Of what more heinous a crime can you think?
    And those pigs might not have had their throats slit
    While alive and able to relish it
    To atone and restore society’s mortar
    Dave, deliver those souls to pure bread and water

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21302925

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    • 432
      David only-in-it-for-the-EU-sinecure Cameron says:

      Surely you don’t expect this matter to Raisa lump in my throat ?

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  112. 443
    Francois I've killed 17 Muslims Hollande says:

    Bedroom tax ?

    My arse !

    It is called simply paying your way or paying your fucking keep.

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  113. 446
    Grollace says:

    If there are any Conservatives left in social Housing there soon won’t be!
    It’s a bit like the last days of the Roman Empire – you know – the Emperor lounging on his chaise-long, scheming how to screw the be-leagued populace; Visigoths close to city gates; citizens running around in panic, hiding family jewels with a spade; packing daughters in longboats, preparing flags and bunting for a fearful welcome of Mr Big.
    The Milliman cometh!!
    (werewolf sounds from backstage)

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  114. 447
    Penfold says:

    The party of Agit-Prop, it was never going to aim for accuracy, just throw out meaningless drivel designed to alarm the electorate and garner votes from the welfare addicts.

    You would think that they might be just a tad more subtle with the propganda.

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  115. 448
    PAYE Slave says:

    Tax. ‘A compulsory contribution to state revenue’. Shouldn’t somebody mention this to Starbucks and the rest?

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  116. 454
    They Fear The Hare says:

    politicians, deliberately stupid ? I thought that “stupid” was the default setting they came out of the box with

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  117. 461
    Mummy says:

    Lucky for Owen I don’t implement a bed-wetting tax!

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  118. 469
    CURMUDGEON says:

    In order to plug the hole in the nations finances, perhaps a ‘truth tax’ should be levied on politicians.

    …does anyone have the number for the policy committe?

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