January 31st, 2013

Dave’s Defence Pledge: Has He or Hasn’t He?

There is considerable confusion in the Cabinet this morning over Dave’s defence spending promise. “No more defence cuts” booms the front page of the Telegraph, reporting that the PM has guaranteed defence spending will rise above inflation. Philip Hammond has other ideas however, telling Sky:

“I think what the Prime Minister was referring to was the pledge that was made – which Treasury ministers have repeated – that the equipment plan, the part of the defence budget which funds equipment, will rise by 1 per cent a year in real-terms after 2015. I don’t expect to be exempt.”

Which leaves us in a somewhat perverse situation:

Labour spinners are jumping on this as a pretty blatant example of less than joined-up government. So Dave, which is it?


  1. 1
    When I was a lad I served a term as office boy to an attorney's firm... says:

    Send a gunboat.


    • 5
      B Boyd says:

      …or two empty aircraft carriers.


      • 9
        Harrier Jump Jet says:

        And some planes that will not fit on-board


        • 24
          DEFCON 1 says:

          Send Trident


          • Gay Fawkes says:

            Oy vey! Will no one think of Israel’s need to indiscriminately bomb all goyim and instigate WW3?


          • The Filth says:

            Don’t worry, plebs, we’ll sell all your details to shyster lawyers, retire on gold-plated pensions at 50, and be rehired as ‘consultants’ at double the pay, oh, and fiddle the crime figures.


        • 29
          Butch Dave says:

          Calm down, arsebandits! I’m only a puppet.


          • Tommy Atkins says:

            It’s a cast iron guarantee – what could possibly go wrong?


          • Putr1d Labour ruined my Country says:

            Labour spinning? Surely not, they can rely on their own sensible policies to speak for them, massive immigration, waste all the money, support all the welfare scroungers and create jobs for all their mates.


          • Gordon McRuin says:

            Today I’m going to see how my aircraft carriers are coming along. Nursey says that if I ask nicely I might be able to ride my toy car on the flight deck.

            Nursey says that they are going to change the name of one of them to HMS Cyclops.


          • Fabian LabLibConsensus says:


            Your description fits the Cameron coalition to a tee also.


          • Wavy Dave's PR. says:

            Confirmation that the MOD equipment budget, currently at about 50% of budget will increase, and the remainder budget is up for negotiation. Message ends.
            Only the BBC and Labour Party plus the usual suspects are trying to make a storm in a teacup.


    • 7
      MoD Wankers R Us says:

      Hang on a couple of decades when we might just be able to get one aircraft carrier available.


    • 12
      When I was a lad I served a term as office boy to an attorney's firm... says:

      Yeah, no crew, obviously! Does G4S have a maritime arm?


    • 13
      Sir William says:

      Interviewer: Mr Politician, what does 2+2 make?

      Politician: What did you have in mind?


    • 23
      Rupert (aged 10) says:

      Dave. I’ve got an Airfix kit of H.M.S.Vanguard. Would it help if I start sticking it together.


      • 117
        WoRaft says:

        Thank you Rupert. We are currently requisitioning the boats which are used to fight naval battles in P*asholm park and are equipping the dragon and swan p*dalos (that means boats with p*dals, not anything sinister but the modbot is very sensitive) with zip-on protection. We think that johnny foreigner will be jolly terrified when he sees all those Viking figureheads coming towards him, fahasands of ‘em.


      • 135
        Anonymous says:

        No Rupert, you are not qualified to use glue, nor have the parts been properly inventoried or undergone suitability studies and testing by companies I am a shareholder of.


  2. 2
    EU Kommissar says:

    Agent Dave is destroying the old Empire forces in region 7 (formerly the UK).

    The glorious battalions of the EU Federation will soon be formed to sweep away the last vestiges of racist bigotted reactionary nationalism.

    European values will prevail. Or else.


    • 21
      A Nazi wrote this in 1943 says:

      “States will have to lose their national sovereignty… People will warm to a Europe that is synonymous with justice and a new order, that is socialist in shape, that is one large community… There will be a federal Council with a European Executive, one currency, one police force, one army… The European Order will socialist or will be nothing at all…”


    • 22
      UK Watch says:

      Bomb France, annexe Spain, strategic alliance with Germany.


  3. 3
    Sandra in Accounts says:

    £50 million a day for the EU

    £60 billion a year for DFID

    ……….Whilst British troops are made redundant & our pensioners freeze to death.

    Lib / Con / Lab – wrong priorities.

    Vote UKIP.


  4. 4
    I am not a number says:

    Right hand, meet left hand


  5. 6
    Alan Rusbridger, pianist says:

    Today I will be mostly playing The March of the Toy Soldiers by Tchaikovsky.


  6. 7
    Call me Dave says:

    What I meant to say was ‘We are NOT sending anyone to Mali’


    • 51
      Leveson says:

      I’ve heard their biggest selling newspaper is the Daily Mali.


    • 68
      Watch My Lips says:

      “‘We are NOT sending anyone to Mali’”

      Apart from those we have already sent, and any that we subsequently send to support them.


      • 106
        Dave's statement to Parliament 1 March 2013 says:

        Around 600 military personnel will be sent to protect our military mission in the region…they’ll be in theatre by Easter BUT that is absolutely NOT putting combat troops on the ground they will be merely there in a non-combat role


      • 122
        Let me make this absolutely clear says:

        You have my cast iron guarantee that there will be no more cuts to the MOD unless I am told that it’s the right thing to do by my Brussels head office.


  7. 10
    Dave the Cnut says:

    Don’t I look impressive, inspecting Algerian troops?


  8. 16
    Anonymous says:

    Easy STOP the useless MOD wankers from wasting money with their in efficiency!


  9. 17
    UK Watch says:

    Either someone is smelling the coffee, or they are trying to spin away the possibility of a military coup at home.


    • 44
      Eyes Right! says:

      ‘ Military coup at home’!? What they gonna do, ask the Church Lads Brigade?


      • 54
        UK Watch says:

        There is a fairly sizable cavalry force in London if you know where to look. It all depends on how much certain powers agree with what is happening.

        Firing service personnel who are returning from recent theaters and overtly cutting budgets is a very easy way to pi$$ of generals.

        The military is loyal to the crown first, but its highest priority is defense of the realm from enemies both without and within.


        • 101
          pedantic twat says:

          Defense in our language is, “defence”,,and misul is, “missile” (File)..and
          process is “pro (flow) cess…Aluminium is not “aloominum”..


      • 71
        fuzzy wuzzy says:

        dont panic , dpnt panic


  10. 26
    Indian Dept of Lunar Call Centres says:

    Dear Mr Camermong

    As you have and continue to be so generous, would you like to borrow some military hardware? Mates rates for you.


  11. 30
    Obama says:

    Listen up you Limy cretins, you will spend what we fucking tell you to. Kapish?


  12. 32
    Lord Kitchener of the 101st Foot says:

    Hang on Boys. We’re coming..


  13. 33
    its all bollox says:

    who’s this olivia newton-dumb?


  14. 34
    Judge speaks sense says:

    TV cameras in court could lead to judges being booed, warns Lord Chief Justice


  15. 38
    Sandra in Accounts says:

    The Coalition for Utter Incompetence.

    It will be worse next time with the Lib Dems & Labour in office.

    Hammond is a shoe in if The Thick of It returns.


  16. 39
    Tom Catesby says:

    Could we fight off an invasion by the Lundy bobby?


    • 108
      BBC Big Brother Comptroller says:

      Our programme to propogate PC into our armed forces and police service is now fully in place so that in a few years we should have a minor civil war and our EU allies will physically take over England.
      Wales and Scotland will go independent, and Norther Ireland have a referendum on independence.
      We have our own Lord Haw Haw waiting in the wings.


  17. 40
    goldman sucks says:

    we could let out the jobs to cut-price bulgarians and romanians -cf the proposals for the fuzz

    in essence one sells the franchises to gang-masters for rent & on renewable leases and what has been a hopeless liability can be presented as an income producing asset

    the electorate are mug enough to fall for that


  18. 41
    Nick Clegg useful idiot says:

    In 23 years as a parliamentary reporter, I’ve never felt such disgust for our political class, writes QUENTIN LETTS ( Mail)


  19. 45
    Who'd have thought says:

    Don’t know what your complaining about, I understand HMS Illustrious is doing it’s last tour of of British ports before being put up on sale on Ebay, at least we will get a few bob back that can be used to buy a couple of rubber dinghies from Toys R Us or maybe a couple of those plastic electric cars they can use in the war we are not involved with in Mali.


  20. 47
    Ah! Monika 2013 +1 says:

    Milibands Labour PPB last night, was a very poor advert for…

    Plastic Surgeons


    • 87
      Putr1d Labour ruined my Country says:

      The more I find out about Labour the more disgusted I become. The thought that these foul people may be running the Country again is too much to bear. Australia or NZ are becoming infinitely more attractive.


      • 105
        Anonymous says:

        OZ or NZ, I would rather take my chances in Afgan, Lybia or even Syria…


      • 119
        Living in 96.98 percent white Merseyside says:

        Didn’t you read about the M*uzzie Rage in Sydney last year. Far worse than anything we had here.


      • 121
        Pundit too too says:

        Oz is under a Labour harridan PM (think Harperson as PM), who is continuing the UK work of Gordon Brown in selling off the countries assets, destroying its economy, bringing in PC, and it eventually becomes a minor player in the far east. NZ might do better strangely enough.


    • 89
      old SHEP says:

      The proboscis is not good.


  21. 48
    Ah! Monika 2013 +1 says:

    Charles Dodgson owns up to writing all Dave’s speeches.


    • 61
      The Cheshire Cat says:

      Had Rev Dodgson been alive to-day he would probably be answering a few questions from officers from Operation Yewtree about his relationship with the Liddell family and especially young Alice


      • 123
        Ben Britten. says:

        I am glad to see that the BBC are defending me in spite of new revelations on the cause of my death and similar stories.


  22. 49
    Chris Bryant says:

    Next time they interview me…I’m going to uncross my legs.

    Coverage on every front page.


  23. 50
    Anonymous says:

    It’s not hard to understand. I am cutting off funding to our men and women who get blown to shit for the sake of my moralising and posturing that I and this country are a massive force in the world. But steady on old bean that does not mean my friends (relations) in the defence industry have to suffer – bally hell no. They might close the revolving door for my desk-bound chummies in the mod – god forbid that gravy train should ever be mothballed. No they have to have their bung – sorry annual increment.


  24. 53
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    Well you just have to despair over pm’s and ministers who don’t clearly communicate their message – and cameron is as guilty of it as the rest.

    But let’s not forget which government it was that left us with a £30billion black hole at the mod under such ‘illustrious’ ministers as aintbusitingut and his sidekick kevan whilst they were troughing their way to personal £millionaire heaven on our money!


    • 109
      Cap'n Bob says:

      I did my, ya know, best, ya know. I couldn’t help being thick.


    • 125
      Gordon I'm in Charge Brown says:

      Lets face it putting a former sheet metal worker in charge of the MOD was a unique initiative in order to ensure our tanks and armoured vehicles could stop dum dum bullets.


  25. 56
    old SHEP says:

    O/T but what’s happened to the Weather forecasts again, just been outside and nearly took off, ended up clinging to a lamp post, just managed to get back inside, wind speed supposed to be 20 mph, must be gusting to 50 or 60 where I am.


    • 66
      Rolf says:

      Do you know where you are yet?


    • 81
      The BBC causes serious mental illness says:

      Have you been watching us again ?

      The wind gods are very angry.

      We suggest that you stay indoors, or go out to the shops, relax and get upset about things, remain in a state of semi-vegetative depression unless we mention the happy word (Olympics) and guarantee that if you do this it may not be so windy later.

      Please don’t vote UKIP, long live the EUSSR.


  26. 57
    lojolondon says:

    If he said “I can give you a cast-iron guarantee that we will raise spending on defence from 2015, as long as it makes sense at that time” – then you know you are completely fucked!


    • 84
      All our yesterdays...2006. Not a shot fired in anger edition says:

      Dave should take a leaf out of Labour’s book…..commit the UK to a” war on terror “in North Africa without adequate personnel;equipment or funding then lose the 2015 election and let Miliband take the shit


  27. 58
  28. 60
    Top Cop says:

    We can investigate dead Top Pops but not dead Top Cops

    Graeme Ford ‏@HugoInterpreter
    PSNI Operation Yewtree GMPCC Tony Lloyd appeal4 info: Reported murder in connection by serving officers.Cover up. http://twitpic.com/bzlgjs


    • 63
      old SHEP says:

      I would say that after saying the officer was deceased the additional comment that any way he is no longer serving with the Greater Manchester Police is superfluous but reassuring. (-:


  29. 70
    Anonymous says:

    I suppose it’s too much to expect that any of these idiots know what they’re doing. Singing from different hymn sheets? – I doubt if some of them can read.


  30. 73
    LCpl Gomer Pyle, USMC (ret.), and newlywed, says:

    As long as we’re on the subject of defense, did anybody miss the news that “don’t ask, don’t tell” was around back in the 60’s, before anyone knew?

    Well, g-o-l-l-l-e-e! Sha-ZAMMM! Surprise, surprise, surprise! (Well, maybe not– everybody knew about me and Rock Hudson.)


  31. 74


    Anyone wanna buy an interest rate swap cheap?


  32. 75
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Trust Cameron on defence – this is the guy who decided to put the Harriers into storage, made then unavailable for ops in Libya whilst lining up a sale to the USMC.

    What had Vichy Dave agreed with The French in 2010, other than the loan of an aircraft carrier which doesn’t go to sea?


  33. 78
    • 97
      Chris Bryant says:

      U turn if you want to.


    • 103
      UK Watch says:

      Now they need to bring back fox hunting, and flush the pesky failed immigrants out of the woods.

      One does not recall the teddy bears picnic being disturbed by eastern Europeans who can’t afford the rent.


      • 120
        Realist says:

        First thing to do is to FORBID councils and government departments from publishing documents in multiple languages.


  34. 86
    Ed Miliband says:

    Do we in labour have a policy on defence? No, but I did go to a secondary modern school.


  35. 90
    Jimmy says:

    This is all part of Butch’s exciting new strategy of copying all the Lemon Party’s policies.


  36. 95
    Ed Miliband says:

    My one nation politics will not let the people of the UK have in/out referendum on the EU. The UK will become a soviet style state when I become your supreme glorious leader.


  37. 107
    Jon Snow says:

    Watch C4 News tonight for unbiased reporting. You never know, we may just try the old bus pass routine again. Over to you Kathy, err I am Krash, err Krish, err.


    • 124
      Channel 4 says:

      Have you seen our fun new series with Ricky Gervais playing an autistic fellow for laughs? Such a civilised and uplfiting production.


  38. 115
    stewartedwards says:

    Even a real terms rise of 1% is largely meaningless, if for example prices rise above 1% or new technolgies simply cost more.

    Hopefully our next government will have some skilled economists and accountants in there, and wont focus simply on money, money, money.

    Money is a man made invention, designed to make our world work better. Now it is crushing most of our world. Its broke, it needs to be fixed. Not replaced, simply fixed. A return to the real economy, focusing away from the markets.

    While I genuinely do have a lot of sympathy for what our government are trying to achieve, they just seem to me to be like lost boys trying to figure out why their grand plans are failing at every hurdle. Yet the answer is bleeding obvious – they havent accounted for social evolution and the natural cautionary stance of this nation.

    Defence is simple. Decide what this country really needs. Fund it. Cut what is no longer necessary. Along the way if you happen to employ a few people, that is a few off benefits, paying tax.

    Someone please remind me (as an ex Tory party member) what the tories today stand for? Mind you as Osbourne quipped recently (as reported in other press) they will soon be sitting around the shaddow cabinet, if they are not careful.

    With the cuts beginning to bite badly, if heaps of decent paying jobs (you will need both – decent wages and jobs) dont appear pre election the Tories could have their worst election ever.

    Just think of the millions of people who are worse off under government policies, (forgetting about the rights and wrongs of them), how likely are those millions of unemployed and disabled and their families, to vote the tories back in? How motivated are they to actually turn up and vote them out? Especially as the years pass and old family voting loyalties increasingly disappear as people think for themselves.

    The tories could win, but they will need to pull something astonishing out of the hat – assuming of course that labour can gets its act together and become credible – offering more of the same wont cut it with those who want the tories out. Ed Milliband if you read this – you can do it – but you really do need to get yourself into gear fast and you will need to find a better way – pity that you dont seem that courageous.

    I for one really dont know who to vote for now as they all really do seem to be as bad as each other. It is just a pity that Farage is UKIP for I would vote for him, but being pro EU it is a bit tricky. Perhaps the Lib Dems will rise to the challenge?


  39. 128
    Geordieboy says:

    About 18 months ago a prominent Labour MP said that when they are next in government they will cut defense expenditure by £5 billion more than the coalition. Then surprisingly a leaked email from Jim Murphy said it would have to be £10 billion. That’s the cost of the two aircraft carriers Gordon Brown ordered to keep his constituents in a job.


  40. 131
    Jess The Dog says:

    I think Dave has been caught lying…again. With backstabbing redundancies and slashed military pensions, another section of society will be voting to kick Dave out in 2015.


  41. 132
    robbie says:

    it means that the budget will still reduce (through manpower cuts) but the requirement for equipment costs will be met out of a general inflation +1% rise which will be less than MOD equipment inflation. Simples.


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