January 30th, 2013

Whips to Tory MPs: Bang On About Europe Please


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    EC1 PhD says:

    like it

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    Watcher says:

    Just trying to smoke out those whom he, following John Major’s line, would describe as ‘the bastards’ ie Real Conservatives.

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    PooleBabe says:


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    Nigel is very much on the Money. This is very much an EU coop says:

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    Anonymous says:

    How is Cameron / this government paying off the national debt as Cameron claims?

    Even in 13 years idiots in Labour weren’t able manage to borrow £600bn, this government will do so in 5 years. Also this government is guaranteeing private sector debt, its going to be even worse than PFI.

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    Dave and his magical Flip Flops says:

    We will not send troops to Mali

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    Anonymous says:

    Cameron hasn’t explained why it will take him 5 years to give a vote on EU?

    Even Clegg agrees to a vote. Why cannot UK have a vote before 2015?

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    EU Watch says:

    The EU is a threat to the national security and economic interests of the UK.

    Pi$$ on the EU flag, only if it is not burning.

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    Herman Achille Van Rompuy says:

    Under EU directive 12134AFR94326423/76983240324237.AA7894324236.79092346723506046047.AR4237894239643900653940.UR80732409742370943790.UK_R_TOAST we hereby serve notice that we are requisitioning the UK Army, Navy, and RAF to become divisions of the EU Junta

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    Mal! Watch says:

    It was a military coup some time back when the government was thrown out leading to the internal revolt of the Tuaregs.

    Now it is an EU insurgency on flimsy legal footing, if one peruses UN Res 2085.

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    Lord Carrington's Binoculars says:

    Balls had the brass neck to mock Cameron’s aim of getting net migration down to 40,000 per year……and here’s where the trouble started

    Primary Purpose Rule

    HC Deb 22 May 1997 vol 294 c109W 109W

    Mr. Vaz To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department what plans he has to abolish the primary purpose rule. [794]

    Mr. Straw In our manifesto, we said that we would reform the current system to remove the arbitrary, ineffective and unfair results that can follow from the primary purpose rule. We shall make an announcement about this soon.


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    Tom Cruise Missile says:

    If Tory MPs decided to resign from the Conservative party and join the Church of Scientology instead, would they not have more freedom of opinion?

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    Anonymous says:

    As economy falls under Cameron he wants to start wars to divert attention. France is doing the same.

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    Gordon Brown says:

    I am thinking of going for the full English breakfast tattoo

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    Jimmy says:

    Surely even scientologists have to draw the line somewhere?

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    Tony Bliar resplendant in his white robes says:

    At least I started them because a sky fairy George Bush told me to

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    Still living in Wales, i think? says:

    Labour can only win the next election by cheating, ( include demographical change) and actually rejoice in that fact. Despite that “probably” being the case, it’s not all doom and gloom.

    Firstly for once!!! Labour will have to deal with the monumental mess it created the last time it governed, and are incapable of doing so owing to disturbingly Socialist ideas, and general incompetence.

    Labour will more than likely have to coalesce with the lib dumbs, and if you think there is infighting now, wait until you see LibLab trying to govern in the national interest, fun and games await.

    If they think they can negate the damage by taking us into a fully fledged EUSSR, forget it. In a few years time, or sooner, it won’t exist, due to the fairly imminent collapse of the worlds banking systems, starting with spain.


    And this from Reuters.

    Germany’s Government still opposes direct ESM aid for banks. The German goverment on Wednesday reaffirmed it’s opposition to allowing European Stability
    Mechanism,Europe’s permanent bailout fund to directly lend to troubled banks in the Eurozone. Goverment spokesman Steffen Seibert said at a regular press conference here that the German rejection of the idea of any direct recapitalisation of banks by the ESM “is well known.

    The treaty creating the ESM explicitly states that the fund can only lend to goverments in return for promises of reforms. The German goverment has stressed on numerous occasions that it insists that this passage of the treaty is respected.

    The treaty has yet to be ratified by most goverments including Germany.Indeed,German politicians have no choice if they choose to directly bail out Spain’s banks it will:

    1) Very likely cost Germany it’s AAA status.

    2) Incite severe political repercussions from German voters (Merkels party is already getting killed in state elections and she’s up for re-election in 2013. Thus we have arrived at the point at which there is literally no one to step in to prop up Spain.

    In plain terms, the EU is out of buyers. The significance of this cannot be overstated it’s GAME OVER for the EU.Certainly various emergency schemes and fantastical ideas will be presented as so;utions to these problems, but the reality is that Europe is out of buyers.

    The political elite refuse to admit this publicly corporations and citizens (read people who have money and want to protect it) are pulling their funds from Spain’s banking system en masse, with nearly 100 billion Euro’s fleeing Spain in the last few months alone. Spanish bank failures are coming, and they’re going to start coming fast

    Time to take any significant money you have out of Santander, and short the stock..

    So if as suggested the 2015 election is effectively won for Labour, congratulations, and they’re welcome to it. Real Conservatives, possibly aligned with UKIP, will be back in 2020 or sooner, and will bury the Liblab cabal forever. Happy days.

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    L. Ron Cameron says:

    We will all transcend to the EU

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    Plato says:

    “…ALLOWING powers to flow back to Member States.”

    Allowing? Why not “Requiring”?

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    CarryHole is a stupendous Hunt says:

    Power was not parliaments to give away…

    Should they not be tried for treason?

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    UK Watch says:

    The EU wishes to attempt to forge union through shared blood spilling on the field of battle. However, the Euromongs should be denied all except the rope for this cheap trick.

    The Turkish border with Syria is also worth keeping at eye on.

    One hopes that the Crown is watching this very carefully, and perhaps considering the advantages of a coup at home.

    Parliament is hardly playing the game by sending forces into this theater, which is of no real concern to the UK, whilst shamelessly cutting the services budget and placing security of the UK itself at significant risk.

    The UK military have a loyalty to the Crown first, and this is before Parliament, irrespective of the Royal Prerogative Powers.

    Someone needs to have a word.

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    Anonymous says:

    army is for queen and country.

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    Point of information says:

    Poland is a loser country.

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    Dave is a Full on Europhile & is using ritish Blood to Establish an EU Army says:


    Well said. Many will agree and many of those are prepared to take action on this.

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    Anthem Of Europe says:

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    pissed off voter says:

    More b/s from Dave. His idol, Bliar, had (and undoubtedly still has) dreams of presiding over Europe and did not give a damn what the UK had to sacrifice to that end. Mr Cameron is almost exactly following in his idol’s footsteps. How many wars is it now? Cameron wants EU for Cameron, whatever the cost to the UK.

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    Anonymous says:

    white light follows the white robe.
    white robe will follow the white light, unless time itself stops.
    who does time report to?

    when truth is inverted everything becomes predictive programming.
    from hg wells, george orwell and alduous huxley.
    really and truely much before their time.
    control the desire of the senses or the web will become thicker and thicker around us. The genius of the world wide web. Hari Om.

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    Sweet Smell Of Colitis says:

    Last thing I remember, I was running for the door;
    I had to find the passage back to the place I was before.
    “Good night,” said van Rompuy, “We are programmed to receive–
    You can check out any time you like– but you can never leave!”

    Welcome to the Europe*an Union…
    We are all just prisoners here, of our own device…

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    hank the cat says:

    The poles have juat given Cardinal tony blair an award

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    hank the cat says:

    Germany is the key to the survival of the EU, a lot depends on the next German elections, there is a a chance frau Merkel could be ousted

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    Jack the Ripper says:

    Paragraph 1 is virtually identical with paragraph 8, likewise paragraphs 2 and 9. Clever chaps, those tories.

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    Con Artists. says:


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    Curly says:

    … and Brown had been voted out of office BEFORE he signed the Lisbon Treaty. He was therefore no longer authorised to sign it and his signature should be regarded as null and void…. in which case the terms of that document are not applicable to the UK.

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    NO EUROGOV says:


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    Anonymous says:

    Net migration is a term used by liars.

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    Demetrius Skortou says:


    Recently, I sent this E-mail (below) to UKIP, about David Cameron’s promise to give the British people an in/out referendum on th EU.


    Thank you for your e-mail.

    Forget about an in/out EU referendum, David Cameron is lying to the British people. In any case, why should we have to wait up to 7 years, to have our say? The British people should of had a referendum 40 years ago, whether they wanted to join a political EU or not!

    I cannot understand why no politician, including UKIP members, have never asked those in the EU, exactly what they mean by Further Integration Into the EU?

    It seems once again the euro fanatics want the British people to accept Britain being a fully fledged member of the EU, without knowing exactly what the bureaucrats in Brussels future policies would be, 5, 10 years down the line?

    Its like a politician, knocking on your door, at election time and asking you to vote for them, without telling you exactly what their policies are, or going to be!!!

    The euro supporters, expect the British electorate to keep accepting & voting for policies they where not told about, which has been going on now for 40 years!!
    Of course the British people would say yes to leaving the EU in an in/out referendum, because they wouldn’t know exactly what they would be voting for!

    Please UKIP members, if you put this very simple question, to whoever you may be debating the EU issues with; “What does further integration into the EU mean for Britain & all its people”? This will definitely put those in the EU & their supporters on the back foot. The EU fanatics, will not have an answer to this question!

    For example, dose Further Integration mean; a European Super Government, Euro Defence Force, Euro Police Force, Euro Intelligence Organisation, control & harmonisation of all of Britain’s Tax revenues, EU controls on immigration, planning, schools, transport, our legal system, our media & press, our environment??????????

    I wished I could, just for once, hear a UKIP member ask (on behalf of the British people) what the Bureaucrats in Brussels future plans are for Britain, if they want the British people to become fully fledged members of the EU, instead of remaining on the outer loop of the EU???

    Yours Sincerely,

    Tony Skortou

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    Demetrius Skortou says:


    I believe that the 7/7 London bombings were part of a long running secret covert war, instigated and planned by US black operations groups, who set up bogus/manufactured terrorist cell networks, using muslim & other extremists to plant bombs in the UK. The result of which had nothing to do with getting our troops out of Iraq, but to force these politicians to sign away Great Britain’s total sovereignty, & other powers, to the European Union, (EU) over the last 40 years.

    The EU itself, actually stems from the 1946 US Marshall Plan. Some of those within the American establishment wanted Britain dragged into a one European Nation State, which is exactly what Adolf Hitler wanted.

    It takes a lot to set up efficient & successful terrorist cell networks. You need; secret rich powerful backers. equally secret bank accounts, set up, through phoney company names. A regular supply of; guns, food, medical supplies, water, internal/external liaison officers, security officers, governments that allow terrorist type training bases and instructors to teach these bombers how to construct and detonate these explosives.

    I am certain that we are not dealing with muslims who actually planned these bombings on 9/11 & 7/7, but, outsiders, very clever creative thinkers. After all, muslims pray 5 times a day, how on earth are they supposed to be able to conduct & plan these terrorist atrocities against us?

    Of course, it was muslims who actually planted these bombs, but I believe, a black operation group, did the planning.

    Terrorism in its self, never actually achieves anything. Most certainly, the intelligence services have benefited out of acts of terrorism, with more laws, rules & regulations, (including 4.2 million CCTV Cameras) that have been handed to the security forces, which in turn, has taken more of our individual freedoms & liberties away from the people.

    False Flag Terrorism is very difficult to prove, however, with the total lapse of our border controls (which I also believe has been a deliberate policy to actually allow these planning & terrorist groups into our country) It has made acts of terrorism much easier for these people to murder innocent men, women & children. I cannot believe that all this lapse in security at our borders is just an accident or a coincidence.

    No amount of CCTV cameras, is going to stop someone from exploding bombs on a bus, train or on the underground.

    Yours Sincerely,

    Demetrius Skortou

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    Con Artists. says:

    The doc repeats itself 4 or 5 times and seems to suggest the only reason for staying in the EU, is because the UK can be involved in setting the rules and regulations for trade…

    Jesus efing Christ… Is that it ?

    1) vast majority of rules are formulated at global level above the EU. The EU then adopts these standards.

    2) Norway as an independent country sits, and votes on these committee’s. Representing and protecting its country interests.

    3) Conversely, the UK, together with 27 other countries loses its vote in these global committees, and is merely represented by the EU as a block. Our interests are thus unprotected. The UK’s influence is removed.

    4) clearly, by being a member of the EU, our influence over global trading rules regulations and standards is thus impotent and almost non existant.

    5) Norway on the other hand retains full representation and influence, is not a member of the EU,but still trades with the EU via the EFTA…

    6) Ironically, the UK was influential or a founding partner in originally setting up many of these institutions.

    Influencing the rules was the only reason stated to stay in by the conservatives in that press release, and they have tried to “rubbish” Norway over the last 4 months with this “fax’ nonsense.

    Clearly, the Conservatives are lying….

    Their only reason to stay in, on a whole page of writing after CaMorons most important speech in 2 yrs, is a lie …

    There is a full and detailed analysis of how this all works over on the autonomous mind blog and the eu referendum blog. I would urge you all to read for yourselves how regulations and standards for trade, are now all agreed at a global level by other organizations first. And then adopted by the EU…

    Why so few comments on this most important of subjects ?

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    The Ministry of Information of the EUSSR says:

    Disinformation is our trade. However cheap. You are only allowed to know what I think you should know. And we know fcuk all.

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