January 29th, 2013

Iain Dale Blames Media for Politicians’ Unpopularity

Nothing to do with their money grubbing ways…

UPDATE: Iain posts in the comments

“Not sure which of your monkeys posted this, but did they actually listen to it? Probably not, it would seem, otherwise it wouldn’t have such a preposterous headline.”

Well, Iain, the Organ Grinder heard you say “I think the cynical way that people in the media deal with politics and politicians is corrosive.” On his new blog (we are paying attention) he said

“Our public life is being corrupted by a permanent sneer and cynical outlook by those who report on it. Yes, to some extent it’s the fault of those who serve in public life. The trouble is that the way politics is now reported in the print and broadcast media, it’s a wonder anyone wants to go into it. And this is why increasingly we will get a political class made up of geeks and obsessives. Normal people, people who actually want to do good, will turn their efforts elsewhere, and who can blame them?”

So the headline to do justice to Iain’s argument should perhaps have read “Iain Dale blames corrosive media for creating political class made up of unpopular weirdos”. Happy Iain?


  1. 1
    Iain Dale says:

    Not sure which of your monkeys posted this, but did they actually listen to it? Probably not, it would seem, otherwise it wouldn’t have such a preposterous headline.


    • 9
      old SHEP says:

      Ha,Ha, mouth in foot, your fault Guido.


    • 10
      Private Eye says:

      Caroline Flint flip-flops over referendum!


      • 16
        Private Eye + 2 Weeks says:

        Iain Dale Blames Media for Politicians’ Unpopularity


        • 40
          Karcher Archer mk2 says:

          Oddly, I blame Iain Dale for Iain Dale’s unpopularity.


        • 60
          Vote UKIP says:

          He makes a good point. You only need look at the BBC’s political coverage to see that.


        • 102
          Blowing Whistles says:

          The Craven media – have to be seen every now and then as a blame monkey – to keep up the appearance of there being – some seperation of power and independence – Huh! we don’t need more bull5hitters ‘creating’ false trails – Murdoch is the past master at being ‘seen’ to be dogging the dis.royals – Truth is they’re both in it together giving a big ‘impression’ of their being a democracy.

          source: Bruce Page The Mudrock Archipelago.


        • 144
          Anonymous says:

          Ian who?


        • 165
          Private Eye + 4 Weeks says:

          Freddy Starr ate my hamster !


      • 22
        Anonymous says:

        Until MPs pay is cut to national average (median) pay, MP will not understand how people live.

        After all they are there to serve the people. If they want to make money let them go and work in the real world.


      • 195
        Brian the Science says:

        The flip-flop noise comes from the Wizzard’s sleeve.


    • 11
      Gooey Blob says:

      No politician is popular. CMD ain’t the flavour of the month, but Ed Miliband will be even less popular in 2015. Clegg’s history already, and Farage is a loon.


      • 33
        Organ Morgan says:

        You must have got up from your fetid wank pit especially early to be able to fit in eight pints of Brainz before posting so early in the evening Taffy.


      • 42
        Karcher Archer mk2 says:

        The ‘loon’ you refer to, is the only politician willing to get us out of the EU nest of marxist parasites.


        • 59
          Putr1d Labour ruined my Country says:

          If the political class actually listened to what their constituents want then they would not be viewed with derision and contempt. The political class actively try to destroy the nation not preserve it. This is why we don’t have a death penalty, why we’re stil in the eu and why we’ve been swamped by v1le immigrants.


        • 74
          RagTagRaghead says:

          “and why we’ve been swamped by v1le immigrants.”

          You can’t come here and say “v!le immigrants”! This bl0g is now an Islamic area! you get stuffed, infidel scum! Sharia for this blog! Western infidel scum!

          (PS: be giving us more benefits monies, now!)


      • 54
        Casual Observer says:

        I am still convinced that Tourettes is a made up liberal left fiction to excuse legitimate points of view on their policies, and reasonable ways of expressing such views.


    • 13
      cm says:

      You’re all in it together, Iain. You’ve morphed from being a reasonably, informative, objective commentator, to part of the problem.

      One day your seat will come…


    • 14
      cm says:

      You’re all in it together, Iain. You’ve morphed from being a reasonably, informative, objective commentator, to part of the problem.

      One day your seat will come… But, only if you grow a thicker skin.


    • 15
      Marcus says:

      Nick Palmer 1/2 favourite in Broxtowe

      Lets all write to Anna Soubry and tell her.hehehehehe

      Thanks Dave


    • 24

      We’ve got the attention span of fleas.


      • 44
        Karcher Archer mk2 says:

        “in a tory goverment”

        If only. The Fabian coalition are merely errand boys.


      • 58
        Infanta of Castile says:

        He didn’t say that – his point was that the producers of political TV programmes think that the viewing public has the attention span of a flea and therefore leaves too little time for the interview. This enables politicians to keep obfuscating by repeating meaningless sound bites and ‘let me make this absolutely clear’ in the knowledge that time will be called before they can be forced to reply.
        Incidentally, I though Dale was first rate in exposing Clegg’s dishonourable behaviour in his run-in with Rennard over the Lib Dems position on boundary change. Rennard was pathetic in his desperate attempt to find excuses.


      • 70
        Standards Dear Boy says:

        We HAVE the attention span of fleas.

        Call yourself a fucking journalist?


        • 105
          Blowing Whistles says:

          Fully fledged Journalists – are suborned under “Media laws” and are not free to write about the real truth of the people being ripped off by Governments of the day and their opposition playmates (The game of dupe the masses) – contrary to what the free press assert with trickery.

          All major papers are – controlled by “legions of legals” who are ‘absolutely not in cahoots with the government of the day whatsoever ….. [Think Irony] ….


          • Blowing Whistles says:

            BTW I left a reply for NBW over on last nights ding dong about the israelis at box 56 comment 125 re a bunch of crooks.


          • Not Blowing Whistles says:

            Fishy for sure, will check on the teddy bears later.

            The property deal, not sure if still ongoing, but more to it than meets the eye. Very spooky.


          • Blowing Whistles says:

            I got wind of a current and ongoing property scam – it’s being unravelled as I write. And there ain’t diddly that every party involved can do to stop me. 15+ Companies – lodsa flaw firms / estate agents / courts inc RCJ / false tribunals / money laundering / oh and plod being too silent and giving way to the handycock types – i’m lovin it.


          • Private Eye + 4 Weeks says:

            Check the one our friends are involved with at that post code.

            Jersey connections back to the US. Very spooky indeed.


          • Not Blowing Whistles says:

            Sorry about messing up monicker, couldn’t resist inane remark above.

            However, would be funny if it does come out in the eye in 4 weeks time. You read it here first though ;-)


    • 63
      and Badger says:

      Mashed Potato.


    • 92
      T'Old Fella says:

      There is a saying in my part of the UK,” There’s nowt as queer as folk” that could be put as, there is nowt as queer as policians, some of them have minders for fairly obvious reasons, but there is always one whose utterances and actions make folks shake their heads in disbelief, it is the actions and utterances of MPs give them the their reputations and the partisan media jump on the luckless MP with glee depending which party they back.


    • 97
      Anonymous says:

      Iain – it was the Big Silverback himself, it seems


    • 194
      Marcel Marceau says:

      I was preping lunch for my 91 year old Mother when Iain Dale, and his gay spotty necktie, appeared, on the box. I knew him to be a flawed character but forgot which of his particulay dis-attributes entitled him to entry to the seventh level of Hell.


    • 201
      Handycock sex Tourist on Taxpayer's money says:

      Ian dale is absolutely correct. I am a typical innocent victim of this press victimisation. Boaz.


      • 220
        Former Colleague says:

        Handy – Have a careful look at what Whistleblower has to say at 105 above…. He may finally be onto you and your boys. Time for you to take steps. Put the Grand Master on warning. Boaz.


    • 203
      Lloyd-W says:

      Iain Dale? Is that the guy who is in love with musical theatre?


  2. 2
    Edinburgh socialist dogshit says:

    I can’t be arsed listening to drivel on the Daley Policrap.


  3. 3
    old SHEP says:

    Huh, that old chestnut again, I will resist the temptation to launch into a stream of invective. The problem is, not that you are misrepresented, but that the public understand you only too well… that’s a big problem for you isn’t It?.


  4. 4
    Brown out and pay me damages says:

    Guardian sponsored Daily Politics. Drivel.


  5. 5
    Brown out and pay me damages says:

    Daily Drivel!


  6. 6
    Brown out and pay me damages says:



  7. 7
    Who'd have thought says:

    Forgot Iain Dale existed, long time since I’ve seen him on tv, I don’t listen to gas fired radio, so he’s been off my watch list for a while.


    • 26
      Erm... says:

      Which radio stations are only available in analog???


    • 212
      me too says:

      Thought he’d given up all that blogging stuff for ever.

      Obviously he just can’t get enough of reading himself so he’s crawled back into obscurity to be ignored all over again except when Greedo talks about him.


  8. 8
    Brown out and pay me damages says:

    D aily D rivel from the BBC.


  9. 17
    Scamp The Excitable Dog says:

    Iain Dale Blames Media for Politicians’ Unpopularity LOL.
    …And we would have got away with it too if it wasn’t for you pesky kids…


  10. 19
    Kevin T says:

    I always thought it was coz they were a pack of lying, thieving, self-serving, elitist sex cases.


  11. 20
    Sir William says:

    Watching most political interviews is like watching a ninth-division football match. One party boots the ball up the other end, the other party boots it back again. Repeat x 20.


    • 23
      old SHEP says:

      Dunno, from what I’ve seen they all seem to huddle around the half-way line for the full 90 minutes, can I get a refund on my season ticket?.


  12. 25
    Tube Watch says:

    The guy in the interview was not answering the questions either. Douche.

    His point on full transparency though did introduce some weasel words and miss a very important point. This was tied to Davos pizza photo section.

    Being photographed relaxing and having that put in the media is not a dis-incentive for people entering politics.

    However, the full transparency on certain communications and intrusions into events such as this does make the process of negotiation and decision making much harder. It is well known why that is in place and why important, but what is not fully appreciated is that such exposure can make politicians easier to manipulate to act against their better judgement.

    Pity that he did not take the opportunity to make that point, but judging by the interview he is as disingenuous as the people he was trying to defend.


    • 29
      Erm... says:

      The guy in the interview is waiting for a safe seat.

      ‘Nuff said…


      • 50
        Iain Dale says:

        Seeing as I announced in June 2010 that I was resigning from the Tory candidates list, that is hardly likely. Never going to stand again. Ever. Got it? Good.


        • 62
          Tube Watch says:

          Was confused by that comment myself after checking your bio, which I did before posting my earlier. Thank you for clarifying.

          You failed to address a more serious point which you touched on vaguely in the interview. The obvious failure of representing the will of the people has significant bearing and was not touched upon.

          Unpopularity is more correctly described as a lack of credibility.

          It is perhaps the now obvious and discredited formula being used by politicians when engaging the media which is problematic, not the media itself.

          An idiom which succinctly describes both the headline of this blog post and the gist of the argument presented in the clip is:

          – Bad workmen blame their tools.

          Very poor rhetoric by any yardstick on which to base any argument, let alone one for restoring the credibility of politicians as perceived by the public, and as presented by the media.


        • 107

          Read Cicero before the First Triumvirate in Rome and you see the same political machinations without an organised media. Look at the UK post war consensus especially around Wilson’s first term and you see the same except we then had a press which was compared with today deferential.

          The existence of a more voluble press does not seem sufficient to support the contention that it is the media’s fault. The problem lies in the stuff of politics, not the babble surrounding it.


          • C. Sallustius Crispus says:

            Oo you callin disorganised mate?


          • @ C. Sallustius Crispus



            And you helped to bring up…?


          • Blowing Whistles says:

            SC – on the more recent stuff – try Arnold Goodman (labour Lawyer) and of his legal shyster shenanigans.


          • Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus says:

            @SC: Don’t worry about that fire, come and help me with this damned gay marriage b!ll. Now, consummation…


          • @Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus

            The consulship of Julius and Caesar seem aedile to me but Watch out for those plebs…


          • @BW

            I remember Mr Motability very well. Like Wilson, a complete and utter rascal.

            But you are too young to have been personally mixed up in that, I would guess. Unless you are now in your 70s, which seems doubtful.


          • Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus, call me Dave says:

            @SC: Plebs just need the circus. It’s the British who are bothering me.


          • @Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus, call me Dave

            The British have no bread either…

            (BTW, are you sure about that handle? It is not in my Civis Romanus)


          • Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus says:

            @SC: Sorry, yes, bad idea that, anything for a bit of popularity. Its all these conspirators who wish to restore the Republic. I do wish they would stop.


          • Ha! ha! i will never complain that you don’t feed me the lines…

            ║                                                   ║
            ║  At least with Iain Dale they still had a Queen   ║
            ║                                                   ║

            Sorry Iain but you started it…


        • 205
          Bryant says:

          Oooooooooooh. Get you!


  13. 31
    David Ward MP says:

    That Miliband looks Yiddish to me.


  14. 32
    Edinburgh socialist dogshite can stick their auto suggestions up their deluded arseholes. says:

    The BBC is a disgrace. I do not watch DP as it is biased crap.


  15. 34
    Arthur Laffer says:

    Good article for those mongs who are talking about ‘moral tax’ and the rest of the b/s.

    Maybe worth showing to Hollande as well.


    Oh: And Socialists: Go screw yourselves.


  16. 35
    Lord Cashpoint says:

    I think what my chap was trying to say there is that we get asked far too many impertinent questions about things which are really none of your business. That’s why I will only be interviewed by Brillo, who can be relied on to be sensible.


    • 198
      Catty Comment (Ms) says:

      Brillo is also very up himself and easily tends from sensible to extremely boorish.

      Pity as he spoils what might otherwise be interesting and informative programmes.


  17. 36
    Lord Lupin says:

    Yup the media (loathsome as most are) forced taxpayers’ money into their greedy pockets and caused the deficit (or was that the bankers?)


  18. 37
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Britain was a kingdom, ruled by a king; then an empire ruled by an emperor; now it is a country ruled by ***** with Oxford PPE degrees.


    • 39
      (I don't need no doctor) says:

      But labour are not in power.


      • 199
        Catty Comment (Ms) says:

        Irrelevant. Genhiz’s point is exceptionally well made (although perhaps just a touch subtle for some shallow minds on here).

        We still have a bit of beautiful Huntricide remaining though.


  19. 38
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    If we are being honest, the media, politicians and police are all a bunch of scum. Of course the level of scum varies.


  20. 41
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    I like Iain Dale but he’s wrong about this.

    If politicians did a good job, worked hard and behaved decently and honestly there wouldn’t be anything to report would there!?


    • 67
      Vote UKIP says:

      On the contrary. If a politician does A he is in the wrong. If he does B he is wrong and if he changes from A to B he is even more wrong. It doesn’t really matter what the subject is.


  21. 43
    a bit of a tube says:

    Given how shit the Tory MPs are, Dale must feel a right Hunt that he couldnt make the grade


  22. 46
    Failed Artist says:

    “it’s a wonder anyone wants to go into it”

    How does anyone get in to it anyway? I have two O-levels and one of them was for Art which meant getting stoned at lunch time


  23. 47
    Riggsy Brown says:

    Iain Dale is one of the most astute, well-informed and reasoned commentators/broadcasters out there. Better by any measure than the Livingstons, Ferraris, Smiths, McGuires, Pearces et als whose rants are often incoherently illogical and usually biased and ill-judged.

    Tho’ maybe he might want to re-think this one. Or possibly not!


  24. 48
    The BBC can jog on. Thickos says:

    True. The BBC is a money grubbing socialists paradise. Time for it to be privatised.


    • 55
      The Public says:

      A money grubbing monopoly capitalist paradise is no better. Shut the thing down, don’t privitise it. Shut it. We do not need a state monopoly broadcaster.


    • 122
      CarryHole is a stupendous Hunt says:

      Mutual society owned by subscribers who elect BBC board.


  25. 51
    Nick Clegg says:

    I’ve tried, and tried and tried, but I still can’t see what’s fair or democratic about equal sized constituencies.


    • 56
      The Public says:

      No, you haven’t tried. You have only said you have tried. Like you say many things you don’t mean.

      Go back to Holland you loathsome little anti-democratic shit.


    • 69
      Vote UKIP says:

      The Tories have only themselves to blame though by voting against AV. They can hardly claim it is unfair that a vote is worth more in one seat than another, when they voted for FPTP as it suited them.


      • 100
        The wizz says:

        Take a look at Italy! How many new Governments have they had in the last twenty years? More than you can wave a stick at, because of AV. Reason, it was always a coalition Government and therefore completely hamstrung. Maybe, you can think of others but we have one to view at this moment much closer to home.


  26. 53
    keredybretsa says:

    People come into politics, with the best intentions. To change, help, fight for, fight against. But, they get corrupted, by mini-power and maxi-money. Ask a question, the answer is always a brilliant talk around the question, but never an answer to it. They end up fighting for themselves, their families, their friends and paymasters. Hardly ever for the electorate foolish enough to vote for them.


  27. 57
    not a machine says:

    I think Ian Dale may be refering to some of the nice people he has met in in this recent political era , funnily enough I came across my souvenier issue of DT expenses and then for some strange reason I thought of Gordons “we have ended boom and bust” and then for yet another reason I thought of Liam Brynes “Ime sorry theres no money left” and then I thought of “cast Iron Guarentee ” (recently redeemed) and then “my wife drove me home”

    well I dont know , perhaps I have got a touch of corrosive cyniscm al la media , but you have to admitt , they do things which are contemptable as opposed to decent public service , I mean Labour have managed to create a lost decade , corrosive ! I cannot find a vat big enough to let them all fizz in and desolve ……


    • 99

      …Labour have managed to create a lost decade…

      Do you really think for one second that Labour’s binge can be eliminated in one short, poxy, miserable decade?

      Their damage may not be as immediately visible as the Luftwaffe’s after WWII but its real loss value is pretty well equivalent IMO. If I am correct in this, we will still be paying it off in 2050.


      • 114
        Future Watch says:

        A lot can happen in 37 years.

        The debts in any case are mostly a figment of our own imaginations. When that is realized and they are written off things can proceed.

        The only debt which needs to be worried about is that owed to those who can ‘enforce’ payment.

        Who is to say their coercion will be so potent even +5 years from now ?

        Most of Labour’s debt should be written off as odious. This will only happen when the risk of not makes unexpectedly high the chance of rebellion or coup.


        • 134

          Hmmm. Many countries have behaved as if they were bailiffs in the past. I agree in principle that uncollectable debt should be written off but go back to protectionism and it is only one more step further to war.


          • Future Watch says:

            Agree completely on protectionism.

            Am talking more about the QE debt which has been purchased back in the UK case. This can be trashed safely when the time is right.

            Protectionism is already here. !ndia with food is a good example, rare earths and Ch!na is another. In the event of likely defaults coming up protectionism will be irrelevant. The coercion I refer to though is more the direct taking of control of resources to settle payment. Kind of like what is going on in Mal! right now…

            The reality is that a debt which is un-payable will be defaulted on, as will a debt on which there is no risk to the debtor if they default.

            That thinking is an anathema to many conditioned in the UK, but is the reality of how the world really works.


          • Agree that QE debt is a reflection in the mirror whilst no subject is present.

            Or put more prosaically, it is like masturbation performed upon a banana.


          • Future Watch says:

            QE is just a way of suppressing the gilt yield curve out to 10 year, which is about to come undone in a very horrible way.

            Roll on April.


  28. 61
    Letsby says:

    I found it unhelpful when Dale used his time LBC airtime with Ed balls playing A Keyboard rather than answering hard questions about the mess this nation is in. Seems like Dale has gone native.


  29. 68
    Majority of UK Electors ..... says:

    Understand that CMDDD is off to ALGERIA this Wednesday, no doubt for

    a planned Photo Op, what else can we expect with this smoke & mirrors

    Bull*ington Bo*y’s wa*ker so presume no PMQ’s for the Plebs ??

    What question is he trying to avoid answering this time ??

    Lets hope the return flight is delayed for the next two YEARS or more !!

    that would make most people rejoice !!


    • 78
      Irony. says:

      Let’s hope Camoron’s return flight is shot down by one of his beloved Muzzie w*nkers*, holding a shoulder-launched missile he gave to the L!byans.

      *Possibly in Hounslow.


    • 80
      Irony says:

      Let’s hope Camoron’s return flight is shot down by one of his beloved M/zzie w*nkers*, holding a shoulder-launched missile he gave to the L!byans.

      *Possibly in Hounslow.


      • 85
        Hmm... says:

        But if Cameron was tragically killed in a horrific plane crash, screaming as the ground accelerates towards his smashed body held pressed into the seat by the force of wind trying to tear the flesh from his bones, if that happened, wouldn’t Clegg take over ?


  30. 72
    Operation Crossbow says:

    If politicians don’t want to be treated like shit then here’s a few tips.

    1. Stop your thieving you bastards

    2. Stop your lying you bastards

    3. Stop fucking starting wars you bastards

    4. Put the people you serve before your own self interests you bastards

    See it’s not hard, you bastards


  31. 73
    Operation Crossbow says:

    Please tell me Cameron is actually fucking Bliar with a Mission Impossible rubber mask on?

    How the fuck did we end up with another fucking Blair?


    • 76
      Ex-Conservative voter says:

      Don’t blame me – I saw it a long way off and didn’t bother voting.

      But I think we ended up with “another f*cking Blair” because people were sick to death of Brown. Had the people known Cameron is Brown (more debt, more immigration, more EU laws, more political correctness, more wars, more sacking of soldiers (erm.. why?)), then maybe they wouldn’t have bothered.

      Basically, Britain is f*cked.


    • 79
      fruitcake says:

      Cameron and Osborne are a sort of blue-rinse Blair and Brown repeat


    • 88
      Bliar says:

      I’m kind of enjoying it. Any straight kinda guy would. Trust me.


      My turn next with the mask.


  32. 81
    Fanny the Tranny says:

    Who is that woman?. Is it a woman or is it David Coulthard with a wig on?


  33. 82
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    Just what is Channel 4 News agenda?
    Do they want the tax payer owned RBS to fail?
    This evenings article on the south african miners strike. C4 News made no mention that the miners were advancing on the police, and were carrying machetes and spears. Now I know the S.A. police are not angels, but where was C4 News impartiality?


    • 91
      Channel 4 Really do take the pi$$ says:

      I think Jon just wants a bus to be running for him to use his pass on.

      Thats all.


      • 108
        Brown's a cnut says:

        I thought he just likes to flash his silly ties and socks, in the vain hope that folk will think he is under 105 years old, and with it.

        Move out the way snow your well past your sell by date, and let a young man (under 60) have a bite of the golden cherry: besides you’ve got the Kinockio/Clinton/Wedgwood-Benn type dynasty well in place now.


        • 146
          John Mccririck says:

          Here here.


          • quite by chance i happened to tune into the celebrity big brother live feed and there was john mccririck getting out of bed. unfortunately however i saw a bit too much of him, cos his cock was hanging out of the gap in his boxer shorts. it looked like a slightly obese albino saveloy.


  34. 83
    Arse says:

    He’s right. It is corrosive. Politicians have to lie because anything they do say will be taken down and spun against them. The media love a good scalping, don’t they?


  35. 84
    Red Egg Millitit, tit, tit, tit ..... says:

    iain was excellent on DP today….. some funny moments, hardly difficult when the likes of Sharon (the p*g in knickers) Hodgson was spouting her usual esn claptrap … :)


  36. 86
    EdButLookBalls says:

    Iain, you are a cnut, it is career politicians in Westminster and more so in Town Halls that they now graduate from over the last 45 years that is the problem. The local businessmen who became aldermans to run the local councils before 1970 unpaid and skilled will be rolling over in the proverbials! The career politicians are greedy self-serving parasites!

    Feck the lot of them!


  37. 87
    Norfolkbeast with cromer crabs says:

    Iain Fail can’t even get erected in Tory rural Heartlands

    Must be the stench of corruption and seamen that emanates from him


  38. 94
    Pandora Spankingham-Wopp says:

    What is this rubbish about politicians being unpopular? They are always welcome clients for my boys and girls.


  39. 96
    Moby Dick says:

    Iain dale

    Is he leader of scottish socialist party?


  40. 103
    The wizz says:

    How sad!


  41. 104
    Tay King-dePisse says:

    Someone– I want to say Oscar Wilde, but I’m not sure (but it’s someone of a cynical bent)– once observed that it was not a good idea to bring children to a lynching; the people who attend such affairs are usually well-and-truly intoxicated, and as such, those people are likely not to be in full control of their tongues, and children should not have to hear all that cursing!
    It is broadly true that coverage of politics and politicians has become degraded over the years, but for Iain Dale to say that that’s why people are turned off by it may be true, but just as with children possibly hearing people using foul language at a lynching, it is hardly the clinching (no play on words) argument, is it?
    I’ve no idea whether what I just said makes any sense or not, but FFS, why kill the messenger, deserving though they may be on other counts, for the fact that it hardly requires a palpable hauteur on the part of reporters to get people to dislike pol’s? If anything, such hauteur gets people to hate the media. In any event, it inspires people to throw their hands up in disgust at the entire process. Reading blogs like this one at least has the virtue of keeping one sane– at last, we’ve found someone else who’s willing to cop to the fact that, yes, it IS all disgusting, so let’s have a little fun with it and run with it!


    • 111
      Oxy moron says:

      “Reading blogs like this one at least has the virtue of keeping one sane”…


      • 112

        You are Lord Leveson and I claim my £5 and lifelong anonymity injunction.


      • 152
        Aydodge E. Scheisster QC says:

        “Sane” is a legal term; it refers to whether someone is in control of their faculties sufficiently to understand what’s going on around them, to know the difference between “right and wrong,” and conform one’s behaviour accordingly, and if asked to do so, to be able to display the foregoing qualities, and be able to offer a fairly rational and coherent version of the facts. Basically, it’s got jackshit to do with being batshit. As long as what you say and do has any pertinence to what’s around you, you’re “sane.” You can be “crazier” than fuck-all, and still be sane.

        EG– Tay King-dePisse implies he is made to feel as if he’s crazy as some might have it (and maybe he is), but that he is not the only one around here who is, and it keeps him grounded and well-oriented. He’s sane, as he recognises facts for what they are, and treats things accordingly. Toxic Taffy, on the other hand, has no such saving graces– he posts any old shite having nothing to do with life as we know it on this planet, and as such, is sectionably insane.


  42. 109
    Piglet says:

    Something smells rotten.
    Looking at the state of Westminster, that’s where it all started.


  43. 113
    Open borders .co.uk says:

    Tony Blair given award for helping Poles come to the UK
    Tony Blair has been given an award by businessmen in Poland to thank him for opening up the UK to Polish workers.



  44. 116
    Anonymous says:

    There’s a smell of burning martyr on this site…

    Yesterday it was an attack on Ian Hislop, whose publication has achieved a damn sight more than this website has ever done. Today, it is Iain Dale who has taken an active part in politics for a good number of years.

    And what has Guido actually managed to change and improve?


  45. 119
    anon. says:

    Here’s a clue for Mr Dale. This sorry excuse for a human being typifies everything wrong with the HoC. He was welcomed back with open arms. The media is not the problem.


    • 128
      Pandora Spankingham-Wopp says:

      A true amateur. At least my favourite client, La Farage, admitted to £2 million in expenses.


      • 213
        What a C**t says:

        You really are a tiresome bore Pandora.

        Farage and every other MEP from every party, get paid exactly the same amount of allowances every month, as well you know. You don’t claim them, they are given to you.

        Perhaps you may wish to shine a light on every other Labour, Lib-Dem and Conservative MEP, who got paid exactly the same amount as Farage?


  46. 127
    Saffron says:

    Who whatsoever would take any notice of what the biased broad casting corporation says.
    This crowd are as left wing biased as I have ever seen,also their current programmes are shite.
    When oh when are we going to see a government who are are going to take on this utter load of crap that these bedwetters spew out.
    How sad is it to see this organisation reduced to crap reporting in favour of LIEBOUR,I did think once upon a time that they were impartial,but not no more.
    Time methinks to sort out this liebour biased anti english taxpayer funded bunch of freeloaders.


    • 130
      Pandora Spankingham-Wopp says:

      Dear me. I have a nice boy who can teach you English whilst taking care of your other obvious needs.


      • 162
        Anonymous says:

        No doubt the next generation will replace The BBC as the MiniTrue, Eric Arthur Blair’s dynamic Ministry of Truth.

        will we get MicroTruth then?
        will it be Micro.soft….the truth is getting softer.


  47. 131
    Care in the Community says:

    All this talk about Dale. What about Chip?


  48. 132
    Iain Dale says:


    • 137
      Right to reply says:

      Those who cannot handle the heat, should stay out of the kitchen.

      (And that looks like a desperate attempt at troll fishing…)


    • 139

      Any argument you may have had is now lost with that.

      The latest tweet of a desperate man.


    • 142
      Carassius says:

      Remind me : which camp are you in ?


    • 143
      anon. says:

      Ian Dale sumo rumour confirmed?


    • 147
      Winnie the Pooh says:

      Ian Dale has hurt feelings.Someone phone a wambulance.


      • 159
        Tigger says:

        Oh, hey, hey. Look, look, look. Oh, what a strange-looking creature. Mmm, look at those beady little eyes, and that “purrposterous” chin, and those “rickydickorous” striped py-jamas! [looking at Iain Dale]


    • 150
      albacore says:

      Right, you ‘orrible lot, now see what you’ve done
      We ain’t arf going to miss a load of fun
      Iain’s flounced off and taken his ball away
      And he’ll never, ever come back here to play


    • 154
      Anonymous says:

      But he will use Twitter. I do not understand anyone that wants to talk to, but not listen the the crowd. In general everyone has feeling about a subject, but not all can provide a sound basis for criticism. A real representative should help them identify the issues.

      As for not wanting to go into Politics. That has nothing to do with the media. It has everything to do with working with these false politicians. If, as it seems, he can not cope with “nutjobs” then he is just typical of the politicians. A one way street.

      Politicians have surgeries. Yes, some might, but we have never had any useful ones on this patch. If he wants to know what surgeries are like then let him ask. I will show him what really happens and the consequences.

      The biggest issue with the last set of politicians is that they are one trick ponies. The individual members of the public are just an inconvenience and are discarded.


      • 169
        The Public says:

        “I do not understand anyone that wants to talk to, but not listen the the crowd.”

        They are common enough. Arrogant born-to-rule gits abound in Westminster and among the wannabe aspirants.


    • 155
      Owen Jones says:

      I think you are great. I like you.

      Why does everyone else say you are a cuпt?


    • 164
      The Public says:

      Iain Dale can read. Who knew?


  49. 133
    Jeremy Hunt, Minister for Genocide says:

    I refute having any knowledge whatsoever of the activities of my cousins husband in relation to Operation Fernbridge.


  50. 170
    Pair of Sugar Plum Fairies ..... says:

    We are so very very upset that G*y L*rd CMDDD has barred us two very

    respectable lovely old Qu*ens from his jolly to Algeria…..cannot think why ??

    after all were not going to promote, if we were invited, CMDDD’s One Up the

    same trap door Bill, he has been banging on about at every opportunity……..

    We had even purchased extra supplies of petroleum jelly out of out own

    pockets just for this trip…..

    oh well lets drown our sorrows in some very nice vintage bubbly

    & of course thanks to the ever generous & never empty pubic purse……


  51. 172
    +++BREAKING SNOOZE+++ says:



  52. 178
    The Cow of Politics: Victim Witness Statement, 29/01/2013 says:

    It was in Norfolk North, 2005.

    I was standing in a field chewing cud when I felt this, um, hand. It was touching me, you know, dirty. He whispered in my ear not to turn round, that everything was good, he was going to beat Lamb.

    He was squeezing harder, tugging at my, um, udders. I could feel milk leaking down my legs, felt so cheap, like a whore. Sorry, , give me a moment.

    The election came, he lost by 10,000 but had taken my milk.

    That was the first time.


  53. 181
    Richard Fulton says:

    If I didn’t know better, I would say that Iain Dale was fudging the issue.


  54. 183
    Honest Advice says:

    Vote UKIP.


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  56. 187
    not a machine says:

    We have group tested the running title with the labour youth movement and they are prepared to do a 6 month print run of “total nutjob arsewipes” as their in house magazine , they think it stands out from any title that uses the word politcs .
    Were working on what regular items and avantgarde peices work best so far we have
    1) Free beer … places where free beer and recreational drugs can be got subsides , to help draught up new polices for the youth movement.

    2) Cartoon strip ….. wroy of the rollover set around a pub and a betting shop , discusse ironic points about welfare and life , while blowing the housekeeping and hiding from the quickie loan comapany

    3) The life of pies , regualr feature with Prescott on the joy de veive of being in tight diving suite , with a just a NO2 tank feeding the respirator and the feeling of being in a boat with a tiger .

    4) Grumpy … the trials and tribulations of opposition whilst cliaming you did nothing wrong when in office and drawing 60k plus expenses

    5) the mother load …. everyday femminism , from always ensuring you berate your male partner as he has no idea how to look after the children , to getting sorting out the heirarchy in the office in the toilets .

    Not too bothered about boundry changes , looks like they have kippered you with HS2 ….. slam dunk . Oh well … Algiers is sunny .

    Jonathan Medes essex trip was a wonderful treat .

    Jonathan Maitless on newspapers “when we had Herpes in the 70s”
    co reviewer quick reply “were they a rock band ” :)


  57. 189

    Hedgehog population in dramatic decline Graun

    Thought they meant the HoC as there are more pricks in there.


    • 192
      Tachybaptus says:

      The hedgehog is a holy animal to Zoroastrians, as it lives on insects and worms and rids the world of unclean creatures. It is second only to the dog, which has first place because of its fidelity.

      If you have got to have a religion, Zoroastrianism is a good choice. No jihads or crusades, and a sensible dualistic view of the balance of good and evil that spares you from foolish theodicy.


  58. 193
    The BBC causes serious mental illness says:

    O/T Mini rant: I know the answer to this, but the question should be asked none the less.

    Why does the BBC never impart factual knowledge, but instead misleads ?

    Example: Segment on inflation (fairly recently): Q. What is inflation ?

    CPI / RPI blah blah: NO ! IT IS NOT !!!

    Inflation is an increase in the supply of money which causes the value of that money to decrease.

    Prices of goods and services only increase when people can bid up the price.


    Example: House Prices : Primary cause of increase in value: Availability of larger mortgages.

    CPI and RPI are measures of price inflation, they do not measure inflation.

    CPI EXCLUDES housing costs and mortgage interest payments vs. RPI.

    CPI adjusts to take into account cheaper valued goods, thus distorting its accuracy further. Even the ONS has concerns on this measure, go figure…


    The most accurate measure of inflation in an economy is the: GDP Deflator


    A way to see how this is linked to inflation is to consider the Monetary Exchange Equation:

    velocity * money supply = real GDP * GDP deflator

    velocity = the number of times per year that money changes hands
    real GDP = GDP – GDP deflator
    GDP deflator = measure of inflation (calculated by the BEA)
    money supply = M4 in the UK

    Thus if money supply grows faster than GDP, the velocity will remain about the same, the GDP Deflator will increase reflecting the reduced purchasing power of the money.

    That is inflation.

    Digging around any of the above details, is somewhat illuminating.

    Data is available from ONS, Bank of England, World Bank web sites.

    For those that do, looking at how the UK’s M4 has fallen off a cliff since 2010, despite the massive QE programs being run, you will get a very clear picture of the scam which is going on in the gilts market. (The scam is all about keeping sovereign debt prices bid up in order to keep yields down. This reduces the amount that has to be paid out on that debt / month.)

    The M4 decrease also explains very much why austerity is not working as expected. We are feeling the effects of a contraction in money supply, whilst being told this is due to the effects of austerity. There is NO austerity, there is less money around.

    So: Question – where is the QE money ?

    M4 does not include money held in the BoE. That was included in M0. M0 like M3 in the US was discontinued from publication in 2006. Check the definitions, and it will be clear that BoE / FED really do not want to show where inflation really is: And there is a lot of it.

    Finally: RPI is going up. That is clear from a trip to the shops, but money supply is contracting. Huh ?

    Stagflation. Scourge of the 70s, and accidentally created.

    RPI is going up as there are genuine shortages, and certain input prices have gone up: Fuel in particular. This has led to a natural increase in prices across the board.

    The problem for people though is that as the supply of money being reduced, their purchasing power is being seriously impaired. Low interest rates are also eroding wealth quite seriously now. (Real rates are negative for many)

    This can be fixed by increasing M4: However that is not possible without another housing boom, serious pay rises in the public sector, or banks willing to lend to businesses at low rates as normal.

    To answer initial question above about BBC and factual knowledge imparting:

    The BBC pumps out propaganda. Credibility alone determines if that propaganda is true or false. On the subject of inflation / economy, it is false, and is designed purely to coerce people to accept that their purchasing power is decreasing in order to reduce national debt: This is a complete lie.

    See monicker for summary.


    • 196
      The BBC causes serious mental illness says:

      Thank you.

      The BBC is a propaganda organ of the government, not of a particular party. The liberal left bias reflects the nature of government at present which is clearly not conservative.

      Their position now is almost 180 degrees from what it was when stimulating the housing boom under Labour: Think ‘property porn’ back then, which lied in a slightly different way.

      The contraction of money supply in the UK is having a marked effect on GDP now: Tax revenue is going to be hit very hard this year.

      The reduction of money supply policy could also explain why banks are so reluctant to lend to SME’s at present, and also why certain high street retailers are being closed down. Retailers debt could be rolled, but if the banks know that the money simply is not going to be there over the next few years, it is better to cut the loss now.

      That the BBC do not bother to investigate or report on this marks them, and many other areas of the UK news media, as being not much better than crooks who are currently running finance.

      No wonder faith is wearing thin.


  59. 202
    Anonymous says:

    What an utter load of rhubarb there is on here tonight!


  60. 206
    Owen Jones says:

    Good Morning Campers

    They had to get a translator in at the benefits office today.

    Somebody came in speaking English.


  61. 207
    Chris Huhne Is Silent Today says:



  62. 208
    Computer nerd says:

    And what’s wrong with us “geeks and obsessives” then?


  63. 209
    Andrew Efiong says:

    Has Dale got his farm back from those squatters in Essex yet?


  64. 210
    Computer nerd says:

    I permanently went off politicians about 3-4 years ago.

    I had written to my then MP Anne Moffatt (of expenses fame) on about two issues that were concerning me – lack of allotment spaces in this country and the treatment of returning injured soldiers.

    All I got for my trouble were real trite copy ‘n paste jobs. My 11 year old daughter could have done better – the responses were that crude.


  65. 211
    National Socialist says:

    So Scameron’s off to Algeria is he? How many arms dealer salesmen has he taken with him?


  66. 214
    Iain Who? says:

    Oh I suspect dale’s narcissism will bring him back to read the comments


  67. 216
    Alex Salmond overseeing the dismanteling of the Scottish legal system at the behest of the EUSSR says:

    How about MPs are thieving, coniving ,misconduct in public office hypocrites who dont think the law as applied to the rest of us applies to them !


  68. 217
    Displaced Brummie says:

    “Not sure which of your monkeys posted this…”

    Yeah, he’s full of class, that Iain Dale.

    Not waspish or up himself in any way…

    It’s his “I am condsiderably better than you!” attitude than is is undoing.


  69. 219
    Disco Biscuit says:

    Iain should definitely have invited Guido to the wedding…


  70. 221
    Anonymous says:

    Totally agree with him. Not sure how he proposes to change it though. The way I see it this is how it has to be. How else can we genuinely be holding our rulers to account?

    What we have to watch is that we don’t end up with a system like in the US where even touching a contentious issue means almost certain failure at the next election. Or faux indignation for any negative language about a cause celebre *cough* Israel *cough*


  71. 222
    julian the wonderhorse says:

    Spot on, Iain


  72. 223
    Tom Catesby says:

    What Dale means is, the ‘media’ doing it’s job, has reported the wrong doing of politicians and public figures.Thepublic unpopularity stems from their wrong doing not the ‘media’


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