January 25th, 2013

LibDem MP In “The Jews” Holocaust Meltdown

With Holocaust Memorial Day coming up this Sunday, you can always rely on some odious figure to make an incredibly offensive comment about “the Jews”. The Commentator reports that LibDem MP David Ward yesterday compared the Middle East conflict to the Holocaust on his official website next to the party logo:

“Having visited Auschwitz twice – once with my family and once with local schools – I am saddened that the Jews, who suffered unbelievable levels of persecution during the Holocaust, could within a few years of liberation from the death camps be inflicting atrocities on Palestinians in the new State of Israel and continue to do so on a daily basis in the West Bank and Gaza.”

Ward has now dug himself an even deeper hole attempting to clarify his comments: “It appears that the suffering by the Jews has not transformed their views on how others should be treated”.

Sources tell Guido that LibDem powers that be are “furious”, and a spokesperson insisted “this is obviously something we will take extremely seriously”. A formal statement from the party is expected imminently. It could be argued Jihad Jenny went for less…

UPDATE: The LibDems have condemned Ward, telling Guido in a statement:

“This is a matter we take extremely seriously. The Liberal Democrats deeply regret and condemn the statement issued by David Ward and his use of language which is unacceptable.”


136 Comments

  1. 1
    Nick Clegg says:

    If it does not impede my future position in EUSSR I am relaxed

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    • 7
      Grauniad says:

      Anti-setimic wakner.

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      • 11
        Loftus Road says:

        Agree – what a scumbag. I guess the fact he’s an MP for Bradford means that his comments will sadly be welcomed by many of his constiuents who follow the ‘religion of peace’.

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        • 37
          The most powerful lobby says:

          “…incredibly offensive comment…”

          The mildest criticism of 1srael is now considered @ntisemitic. Politicians and celebs live in a climate of fear.

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        • 41
          Norfolk's Finest says:

          I think he has a point, although clumsily put. Gaza is being kept imprisoned and innocent people there are suffering and the Israeli government seems to have no interest in sorting the problem out so long as they can keep the Gazan people locked up – they can’t go anywhere – into Israel, Egypt or out to sea. The place is a giant prison and, dare I say it, tantamount to a concentration camp. That sort of treatment breeds resentment and makes fertile ground for extremists and jihadists to recruit from. That’s not justifying jihad, but it does help to understand some of why it’s as bad as it is.

          Yes, Israel has a right to defend itself, but it’s locked into a vicious circle where both sides are being atrocious to the other and trying to beat the other into submission. That’s simply never going to work.

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          • Grrr says:

            Have you ever heard of a country called ‘Egypt’?

            That country also has a wall around Gaza.. but there are no Jews in Egypt – as they were all thrown out.

            Funny how this ‘Egypt’ country never seems to be of interest to Socialists.

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        • 47
          Putr1d Labour ruined my Country says:

          This is disgusting but what do you expect from these scumbag Limpdumbs. They are not fit for purpose and certainly not fit for Government.

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        • 74
          Shutting down the debate says:

          The Holocaust was an atrocity. It should be roundly condemned and the Israelis are quite correct to ensure that nobody ever forgets it and the massacre of over 6 million men,women and children in the camps. It was a crime of such magnitude that it should always be remembered.

          However that does still not make the comments regarding the Israeli Occupation of the West Bank and the plight of the Palestinians unworthy of dispassionate appraisal without anyone who thinks this way being labelled either racist or anti-semitic.

          People should not be cowed into not actually asking these questions or criticising Israel’s actions in the West Bank

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          • Anonymous says:

            “It was a crime of such magnitude that it should always be remembered.”

            Why? It didn’t happen in this country, nor to British people. When people start whining on about how victimised they are, as an excuse to shut down any criticism of them, you can be sure they are scum on the make.

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          • Eeyore says:

            For many years it’s been dispiriting to see a race (or is it a religious group? I’m never quite sure) – anyway, a nation – behaving abusively to others. Israel, as a nation, seems to emulate the behaviour of individuals who have been abused in childhood who go on to abuse others themselves.

            Couple that to the childish, venomous behaviour of the Arabs and there’s no hope until one side or the other grows up.

            It seems to me that Israel sometimes goes way beyond the limits of the self-defence to which it is undoubtedly entitled. What a shame – after the war they held the moral high ground. Now, to put it mildly, they do not.

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        • 88
          Anonymous says:

          Anything to keep his constiuents happy.

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      • 67
        Khoklovskairvlin says:

        Another imbecile who confuses criticism of Israel with anti-semitism.

        He is right in what he said.

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        • 130
          2112 says:

          Just like those imbeciles who confuse concern about immigtration levels with racism.

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          • Grrr says:

            It had nothing to do with criticism of Israel.

            There was no confusion.

            Most Jews don’t live in Israel – trying to make Jews responsible for Israel is as idiotic as making all Hindus responsible for the Kashmir conflict.

            Racism pure and simple… not criticism of Israel.

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    • 14
      guido's disgusted oirish mammy says:

      Fawkes, ya fat piece of shit, when will you be supporting a Ukraine Holodomor Day? The one caused by Chosen One-led Bolsheviks against White Christians? Or an Armenian Holocaust Day, instigated by Donmeh, crypto Chosen One Turks? Or a day for the one million plus dead in Iraq and Afghanistan, instigated by the Chosen One-led Project for a New American Century?

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      • 40
        The most powerful lobby says:

        People are waking up, Guido. This is the new media.

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      • 120
        Finbar Blarney Stone says:

        So when is Cameron going to have Irish Potato Famine day. And surely Cameron can build an Irish potato famine memorial and museum complete with replicas of the coffin ships.

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        • 134
          Grrr says:

          If the famine lead to a 5 year world war in which 100 million died then yes -we would have a monument to it.

          until then .. no

          Understand?

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    • 125
      lojolondon says:

      Well, the EU is so pro-Palestine and anti-semitic that the LimpDims will fit right in there!

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  2. 2
    Sarah says:

    Lib Dems and Islamofascists fellow travellers.

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  3. 4
    Steve says:

    Retarded moral equivalence is all the rage with Lib Dems and their Socialist brethren.

    This guy is obviously getting radical about the jooooooz because Respect are nicking his imported electorate.

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  4. 5
    IDF says:

    We will sort this ignorant bastard out !

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  5. 8
    AC1 says:

    Anti-Semite Nazi Basterd!

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    • 39
      WoRaft says:

      That would be to credit him with some beliefs. Instead, note that he’s an MP in Bradford East and that if you want to play to the gallery there, it is obvious what you do. It’s an effective strategy to draw attention away from his other failures.

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    gramma says:

    “… those who get to superimpose a meaning on events control the future … Since so much of our cognitive capacity is achieved via language, control of language — the determination of what words mean, who can use what forms … to what effects … is power … to define [is to] create … a large part of our reality.”
    (Robin Lakoff, The Language War)

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    • 26
      WVM says:

      Indeed.

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    • 34
      gramma says:

      Why down here Guido?
      Surely your update ” “This is a matter we take extremely seriously. The Liberal Democrats deeply regret and condemn the statement issued by David Ward and his use of language which is unacceptable.” proves the point.

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  7. 10
    Anonymous says:

    I’m struggling to see which part of his statement is factually incorrect. I’m sure I’ll be informed here though.

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    • 21
      Brinx Matt says:

      Nope can’t see what the outrage is either – no holocaust denying here, quite the opposite. Of course one forgets that for the Altlanticist free market global capital pro Israel lobby and any hint of criticism of Israel is beyond the pale.

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      • 136
        Centrist says:

        It’s a stupid comment because it assumes that the Jews have built a concentration camp just for Gazans and gassed them etc. Obviously it’s not like that. Gaza has it’s own government, they get aid money and rather than put it into education, healthcare and food, they [Hamas, who scared the public with threats and violence into voting for them, much like the Nazis themselves], chose to spend it on weaponry to fire at Israel day after day.

        Golda Meir put it best when she said ‘There will only be peace when Arabs learn to love their children more than they hate us [Israel]‘.

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    • 24
      Alex Salmond overseeing the dismanteling of the Scottish legal system at the behest of the EUSSR says:

      Yes Ive said something similar myself in the past and Im not downplaying the horrors of the Holocaust, on the contrary.

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    • 35
      Mark says:

      Criticism of Israeli policy is conflated with anti-antisemitism.

      A perfectly reasonable comment from a Lib Dem.

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  8. 12
    Raving Loon says:

    The left has a problem with anti-semitism.

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    • 36
      Cato Street Conspirator says:

      Everyone has a problem with anti-semitism. There’s also a problem with any criticism of Israeli policy being automatically dubbed ‘anti-semitism’.

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  9. 13
    Meanwhile says:

    MPs are debating the Offshore Gambling Bill at second reading.

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  10. 15
    Iain Dale's D1ldo says:

    Why should he walk for speaking the truth?

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    • 18
      Libdems are pathetic says:

      You wouldn’t know the truth if it came up and hit you in the face you stupid Hunt. Learn some history, then you can ask your mummy if you can use her computer again.

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      • 93
        GnosticBrian says:

        And here we see the intellectual capacity of the died in the wool Israeli supporter who believes that Israel can never, ever do any wrong. The biggest problem facing the world is Israeli intransigence and the obduracy of their supporters. Even the mildest of criticism is immediately labled anti-semitism – but they forget that the Palestinians are also a Semitic people. So how on earth can expressing support for Palestinian rights be “anti-semitic”? Please explain.

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          jacky Treehorn says:

          Thank you for letting us into the fact that palestinians are semetic, I’m sure no one was aware of that, I imagine you are sitting back smugly sipping your tea with a big fat smile on. As for intransigence, check out yasser arafat and the peace deal offered to him by Isreal. It’s a fact that whenever the arabs are offereed anything near to what they ask for, they do a runner.
          The arabs have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
          All the arabs want is the destruction of isreal.
          It amazes me how anyone believes what the arabs say.

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          • Catty Comment (Ms) says:

            Yes, when the Izzys unconditionally gave back a fair sized bit of land on which stood a carefully cultivated market garden with full greenhouses a few years ago, it was trashed by the recipients within an hour. So no wonder there has been no repetition.

            If the Gazaloons stopped lobbing rockets over the border, there would be no need for any retaliation – and just possibly a few opportunities to sit down and chat over a cup of cardamon coffee.

            It would also help if the extremist nutters actually acknowledged Isr8al’s right to exist because no matter what they do, it ain’t going to go away.

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    • 23
      Observer says:

      Can’t see anything wrong with what he says either.

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  11. 16
    Libdems are pathetic says:

    Let’s also not forget that the way the LibDamns dealt with Jihad Jenny was to promote the bitch to the House of Lords.

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  12. 17
    Gay Fucks says:

    Why go for talking the truth?

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  13. 20
    No probs. says:

    You’re a sick senior citizen and the government says they are going to sell your house to pay for your nursing care. So what do you do?

    Our plan gives anyone 65 years or older a gun and 4 bullets. You are allowed to shoot four Politicians.

    Of course, this means you will be sent to prison….. Where you will get three meals a day, a roof over your head, central heating, air conditioning and all the health care you need!
    Need new teeth? No problem. Need glasses? That’s great. Need a new hip, knees, kidney, lungs or heart? They’re all covered.
    As an added bonus, your kids can come and visit you as often as they do now.

    And who will be paying for all of this? It’s the same government that just told you that they cannot afford to pay for your nursing care.
    And you can get rid of 4 useless politicians while you are at it.
    Plus, because you are a prisoner you don’t have to pay income tax.
    Is this a great country or what?

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    • 38
      Kevin T says:

      Why only 4 bullets? There’s not just MP’s to think of but local councillors, non-UKIP MEP’s, Whitehall mandarins, council executives, senior police officers, BBC executives, Quangocrats, union bosses, Common Purpose employees. Just for starters. Let’s not skimp on the ammunition.

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      • 110
        Extremely ancient seafarer says:

        Can’t we all have one of those high speed revolving Gatling-type thingies the yanks use on their aircraft? You know, the ones that fire 1600(?) rounds a minute without getting overheated.

        Oh, we’ll also need a few crates of ammo if that’s alright. I shall look forward to a nice hot bath and a spot of telly or snooker to follow before being brought a cup of cocoa and tucked up for the night out of the snow.

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    • 80
      Anonymous says:

      The alternate is to get the OAPs together and move into one house. Then use the money/rent from the other houses to pay for real care.

      The only problem is that the government wants to avoid this by declaring 3 or more OAP sharing as a house of Multiple occupancy. So they would have to be licensed and up to certain standards.

      It is this interfering and forcing of situations that is the cause of our society breakdown. We are not allowed to help ourselves, without prohibitive interference.

      On a different subject I did find this quote in one Hackney document:

      “A room used for sleeping must not be shared by people of the opposite sex who are
      10 and over, unless they are married or living together as husband and wife or
      same-sex partners.”

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      • 111
        Extremely ancient seafarer says:

        That last bit will really bugger up visits to the washroom (as those yankies have it) in the middle of the night then!

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  14. 22
    Only comment about jooooooooooooooooooooz you can get away with says:

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  15. 25
    Silent Avi says:

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  16. 27
    Nick Kleggstadt says:

    Ein volk, ein reich, ein coalition!

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  17. 27
    Silent Hymie says:

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  18. 30
    Mark says:

    It’s quite a reasonable comment. He didn’t equate Gaza, the West Bank or East Jerusalem with the holocaust but was astonished how Israelis (certainly not all) could behave as they do.

    I suppose you haven’t heard about the ongoing illegal colonisation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem, the settler only apartheid roads, the E1 building plan, the annexation of the Jordan valley, settler violence, etc.

    Try reading some progressive websites such as Mondoweiss.

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  19. 31
    Weygand says:

    But, at least in the bit quoted, he did not talk of an equivalence at all.
    He merely said that he would expect those who had known such terrible persecution to be more sensitive to the persecution of others.
    He may be talking nonsense but there is nothing odious about it – and probably sums up Obama’s view of it all
    This ‘can’t criticise Israel’ schtik is reminiscent of the bullying PC crap that this site so often exposes.
    As the man used to say,”Calm down Dear”

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  20. 32
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    The thing is, he’s right. However, I know any criticism of Israeli policy is forbidden.

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  21. 33
    Casual Observer says:

    Steady on modbot, you’re in PC overdrive.

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  22. 44
    Martin Day says:

    Back on topic

    Yes. This was a great time to take your eye off the economy, weaken the eurozone & trading allies, weaken confidence, and all in the name of legalizing same sex marriage. Well done Tories

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    • 114
      Extremely ancient seafarer says:

      If the SKY’s rabid leftwing “economics” (hahahahaha) team get any gloomier the end of the world really will be upon us.

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  23. 44
    Sir William says:

    It must be hard to behave nicely when you are outnumbered 50 to 1 by neighbours who want to exterminate you.

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    • 90
      WoRaft says:

      Which is exactly how some people in Bradford feel. But he didn’t want to address the problems of his constituents, no doubt regarding them as bigots.

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    • 91
      Anonymous says:

      You’d think that was obvious, but half the f** wits on here don’t seem to get it. They’re too busy shouting ‘They always play the race card! We live in fear! We can’t say what we want now!’ F** off. You appear to have free reign to say whatever you want over on CIF. Get it all off your chest over there why not.

      The people have in question were treated terribly so apparently they’re supposed to be above reproach for ever more despite a whole tranche of loons wanting to finish the ’40s job off. Ridiculous. I think it’s more that the useful idiots are as miffed as the genocidal loons that they didn’t have the courtesy to be wiped out sooner.

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    • 94
      Anonymous says:

      If I was outnumbered 50 to 1 by neighbours, I might try being nice to them…

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    • 122
      MB. says:

      “It must be hard to behave nicely when you are outnumbered 50 to 1 by neighbours who want to exterminate you.”

      Is that referring to the Israelis and the countries surrounding it or the surviving indigenous population of Israel surrounded by the settlers and IDF?

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  24. 46
    thefinnlandiaproject2011 (Resurrection). says:

    So what! Who cares. It’s called the freedom of speech!

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  25. 48
    Just wondering says:

    I see my comment, actually a question, has been censored. presumably that will be in line with some policy or other, but it seems odd to post a topic like this and then set the modbot to censor perfectly reasonable comments.

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  26. 49
    Liberal Zombie says:

    He seems to have forgotten one of the cardinal rules of modern rhetoric: Do not question the holocaust, and if you for some reason do, bow head and just say you were mistaken and express unquestioning support for the state of !srael.

    What the mong has successfully done is close down any credible objections that could be raised fro the UK relating to the E-1 settlement zone and the current ‘moving’ of a fence to get round the UN boundaries and separate P@lestin!ans from the land whilst trying to stay within the labyrinthine international law and protocols associated with this land.

    That however is more an issue for the UK to take up with the UN if people here have any views on this, one way or the other.

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  27. 52
    eegor says:

    my comments have disappeared as well

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  28. 53
    eegor says:

    someone seems to be running a black list on the site

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  29. 55
    eegor says:

    or the modbot has been knackered by Ed Balls

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  30. 56
    O/T Dave, call me Commissar - I insist says:

    You can have any opinion as long as it is the same as mine comrades:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-ministers-who-back-eu-exit-must-quit-cabinet-8466128.html

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    • 62
      Plato says:

      Erm…weren’t we told only last week that Collective Responsibility could be suspended? For the boundary review, was it?

      WTF is going on??

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    • 75
      jacky Treehorn says:

      It’s funny how the Eurofanatics can never point to the great successes of the socialist euro project. The default program is to scream “we are all going to lose our jobs” we heard the same before when we didn’t join that wonderful idea, the euro. Why would europe that sell MORE to us start a trade war? why would they saw the branch they are sitting on?
      There are probably some very good reasons you can use, why dont you do some research and use them instead of the same old lies.

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    • 102
      That's Lady Jihad Jenny to you says:

      We survived and shaped our country very well and created jobs very nicely before the EUSSR and it’s raft of unelected diktats arrived. Disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

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  31. 60
    a real dude of judah says:

    if you really know your history ethnographics and bible – those dudes in issy railing are not really we judian people
    #justsayin

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  32. 61
    jacky Treehorn says:

    When someone comes up with an idea that will guarantee to stop the followers of peace from jumping onto school buses and sitting down in coffee shops then blowing themselves and anyone else who might be near to smithereens I would like to hear it. Its very easy for people to pontificate from nice warm comfy chairs
    that if the border checkpoints are relaxed the peacefull Islamofacist will behave themselves. I suspect that if the suicide bombs were going off in the socialist republic of Islington, views would probably change.

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    • 70
      Less Rhetoric And More Considered Thought Please says:

      How easily people forget that, actually, there have been bombs in London on our buses and tubes.

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      • 117
        Extremely ancient seafarer says:

        Yes, true, but at least the IRA were kind enough to give a few minutes’ warning so that onlookers could move out of the way.

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    • 73
      Point of information says:

      Reducing rate of suicide attacks as you describe: Easy.

      Just advertise the fact that you now impregnate your paint plaster and ceiling tiles with pork.

      That seemed to be fairly effective.

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    • 121
      MB. says:

      Of course it is different if the IDF think there might be someone from an organisation like HAMAS in a bus or coffee shop so put a missile or tank shell into it. They apologise off course for the collateral damage of killing a lot of innocent civilians, not that it ever sounds very convincing.

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  33. 64
    The most powerful lobby says:

    Maybe Guido has switched his modbot off to allow the IP addresses of those who post “incredibly offensive” comments to be traced by the Chosen ?

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  34. 68
    Penfold says:

    Well well, so much for holier than thou…………

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    MB. says:

    But what he said was true, don’t forget that some of those same people also murdered British soldiers before going on to be the founders of the Israeli state. I always remember that when I hear Israeli politicians ranting about terrorists.

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  37. 86
    Yorkshire Lass says:

    The reason he is saying this is because a large percent of his constituents are muslim. If the boundary changes are approved, he will have to fight his seat with Galloway; if not, then he will have a tough election still as respect have a lot of support on the east..

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    • 118
      Catty Comment (Ms) says:

      I thought those wonderful traitorous freedom loving Fibdems had put the kibosh (can I say that on here?) on all that boundary changing waste of money.

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  38. 95
    Jimmy says:

    This will keep the Commentator going for a month.

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  39. 98
    Old Grumpy says:

    Let us not forget Shabra-Shatila!………. I SAW that!

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    • 119
      Catty Comment (Ms) says:

      Yes, I too was in the Lebanon in the early 1970s. Used to be a great place until the muzzies kicked it all off and f****d it all up for everyone

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      • 128
        owainglyndwr1416 says:

        Israel provoked the Lebanon War on numerous occasion with their divide and conquer routine like they deliberately attacked the USS Liberty to blame on Egypt..

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  40. 103
    MacGuffin says:

    Once again the Greater Israel lobby shouts down free thought with accusations of anti-semitism.

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  41. 107
    Redguard stole my bike says:

    My earlier comment was not published because it asked how Guido equated the Tridentine Mass of his own religion with his hyper-sensitivity towards anti-Semitism.

    This is not a site which supports free speech.

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    • 112
      Windy Miller says:

      This site certainly does support free speech (just as long as you don’t mention the chosen ones!)

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  42. 123
    Anonymous says:

    I guess the guy feels threatened by Respect?

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  43. 124
    Anonymous says:

    Come on get real he is threatened by the Respect Party.

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  44. 126
    RickyTickyTavi says:

    I thought the whole point of a mature and advanced society is that freedom of speech is encouraged. Any idiot can say what he wants, but everyone else is free -and obliged- to confront, discuss and refute.
    If you stamp on anyone who says boo, you are showing your own ignorance and inadequacy. The old PC movement seems to be gaining ground again, and the actions or behaviour of selected people and groups apparently cannot be commented on.

    In a free society, there must be some people anti-white, black, jewish, ginger, european, whatever. Don’t attack them, attack their views.

    Seems to me that in this case, there is no international discussion about Palestine and the conduct of all the sides. Has anyone got an agenda I don’t know about?

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  45. 127
    owainglyndwr1416 says:

    He told the truth.. Good for him and i pray he doesn’t back slide and grovel like a pathetic slave..

    I dare say any mention of THIS would raise a few eyebrows too but fear not as i am well able to raise a few eyebrows myself ..

    http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/printArticleJpg/84042144/3?print=n

    A leopard does not change its spots and that is why they burn Palestinians to death with White Phosphorus.

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  46. 131
    Beverley Price says:

    What a purely antisemitic extrapolation. The only ones who needed to learn restraint post Holocaust are the German Nazis of the time who perpetrated, not the Jews who suffered! What logic is this?

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