January 23rd, 2013

+ + + Ed Miliband Says No to Referendum + + +


  1. 1
    Vote UKIP says:

    Like all Liblabconners his position will change as it suits him.


    • 12

      If Cameron had come out today saying “no referendum”, would Ed Moribund now be demanding one?


      • 15
        Ed Moribund says:


        My only policy is to oppose all other policies. Unless another party also has the policy to oppose policy, in which case I would be against opposing policies…I think.
        I’d better just check with the unions first.


        • 36

          Nick Clegg was insistent on an in/out referendum. Right up until it became a possibility there might be one.

          Are you two related?


          • EU? In out shake it all about says:

            NIE NIE NIE


          • Anonymous says:

            Why don’t we have the vote in the next few months?

            We still don’t know what Cameron wants from EU. It could be even a bottle of wine. Then there is trust, can Cameron can be trusted after a people had voted when he broke the cast iron ..?


          • EU? In out shake it all about says:

            Vote in the next few months? Because the vote will not happen – it is just a ploy by Cameron and his tory mates to scrape a few more votes together for May 2015 genius.

            Taking Farage’s thunder he is. I am looking forward to what he has to say with all this shallow rubbish and conning by Dave Cee.


          • EU? In out shake it all about says:

            Vote in the next few months? Because the vote will not happen – it is just a ploy by Cameron and his tory mates to scrape a few more votes together for May 2015 genius.

            Taking Mige Fs thunder he is. I am looking forward to what he has to say with all this shallow rubbish by Dave.


          • EU? In out shake it all about says:

            Vote in the next few months? Because the vote will not happen – it is just a ploy by Cameron to grab some votes. Wonder what Farage has to say.


          • T. P. Fuller says:

            Essentially speaking Nige said, “It is just a ploy by Cameron to grab some votes”. 10/10 for mind-reading, sir!


      • 29
        Scamp The Excitable Dog says:

        If Cameron came out and said it’s not a good idea to murder your own children the sockmouthed unionista would have to, by default, tell us all to get out there and start murdering.


      • 122
        dick dastardardly mp says:



    • 39
      albacore says:

      At least he’s nailed his colours to the mast
      Instead of counting on, as time slips past
      Events making a vote irrelevant
      And meanwhile spieling a right load of cant


    • 47
      Labour List (before) says:

      At PMQs, Ed Miliband should call for an EU referendum – in 2015


    • 58
      CarryHole is a Dismal Hunt says:


      Do fuck off. The establishment want their rent-seeking hidey hole called the EUSSR to rip us off.

      those being ripped off want out NOW!


    • 70
      CarryHole is a Dismal Hunt says:

      Referendum NOW!


    • 74
      CarryHole is a Dismal Hunt says:

      Kent County Councillor for Sheppey and Swale Borough Councillor for Minster Cliffs, Adrian Crowther, has left the Conservative Party to join UKIP


    • 80
      bald old git says:

      The fatal in the Prime Minister’s plan is, of course, that should we get out of Europe, the UK civil service would be running the country.


    • 93
      Fishy says:

      Agreed – Miliband will wait for the most appropriate bandwagon to leave before he jumps on it.

      Breath taking comment from Caroline Flint on DP. She claimed that the Referendum Lock that the coalition introduced to stock further powers being seized by the EU was THEIR law.

      Caroline Flint lied. Go get her Guido,


    • 120
      Pwolicy says:

      Fuck an actual policy !!!!!!!!!!


    • 142
      Cameron is a Cunt says:

      miliband is a c’unt


  2. 2
    Kebab Time says:



  3. 3
    Back in the EUSSR says:

    Cameron doesnt appear to have heard him as he was still asking him to state his position after he said it !!!!


    • 63
      anon says:

      I was amazed he did not pick up on it. An open goal. A proffered jugular.


      • 78
        Back in the EUSSR says:

        Legs wide open stating “ram it into me big boy take me now ”
        and Dave missed it !!!


        • 125
          BBC politics is controlled by Labour says:

          Yes it was an astonishing gaff, frankly unbelievable. Those around him and in following questions seemed to try to help him wexploit the opportunity but he lost it. Otherwise it was a better day for Cameron. Why does no one stop that awful leftie woman on the politics show always leading on selected anti tory emails. Even Andrew seems embarrassed about the lack of balance sometimes.


          • they don't like it up 'em says:

            Good on Grant Schapps for pointing out that a positive story about the fall in unemployment figures had been dropped from the DP running order.


  4. 4
    Oy Vey says:

    And just afterwards Dave claimed that Ed wouldn’t say if he wants one…


  5. 5
    John Adlington says:

    I don’t know about Cameron shooting UKIP’s fox but there’s a chance Miliband just did, along with his foot.


  6. 6
    Anonymous says:

    Milliband has just confirmed what we all knew.
    He’s total plonker completely out of touch with the British public.


    • 94
      smiley happy people says:

      Every time anyone from Labour mentions democracy from now until the election, it’ll give the country a good laugh.


      • 123
        DANGER! DANGER!! Risk of democracy finding its way into EU Politics says:

        At least Ed knows his duty to The Kommittee!


  7. 7
    Steve Miliband says:

    was Balls in today? Or was he paying in some cheques at a Bank miles away from his work or home?


    • 18
      Ah! Monika 2013 +1 says:

      There but out os shot


    • 21
      Back in the EUSSR says:

      Which home would that be ? The Family one in Yorkshire or errrr the Family home in London ?


    • 62
      FU EU says:

      Perhaps underpants was trying to find out he was busily texting throughout QT; then again maybe he was answering certain ‘add’s.


      • 155
        Anonymous says:

        Balls escaped being tarnished with the “No to a Referendum” label.
        A bit like Major making himself scarce when the Tories were stabbing Thatcher in the back.


  8. 8
    Graun says Ed's the new Maggie says:

    No No No


  9. 9
    stun says:

    You might want to change that date to 2013, G


  10. 10
    Back in the EUSSR says:

    Bloody hell Theresa May looks ill. Stress ????


  11. 11
    Ed Milliband says:

    Positions & policies , I feel , are very much over rated .


  12. 13
    Raving Loon says:


    Tough on democracy, tough on the causes of democracy.


  13. 14
    Ref says:

    If Cameron was smart, after that massive gaffe, call an election soon and hoist Lab and Libdems up on the gallows with Clegg and Milliband hanging themselves.


  14. 16
    Steve Miliband says:

    Ed was expecting Cameron to say No and so didn’t hear the three Yes’s and conseqently got f*cked over and ended up saying No to a referendum


  15. 17

    Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed Ed

    We love you! Keep right on pal!


    • 25
      Ah! Monika 2013 +1 says:

      To begin with, I’ll cover the legal formalities. Stuart Hall is innocent until proven guilty as the mantra goes, though I prefer a less didactic approach and use the Shrodinger’s Cat analogy, whereby the accused occupies a state where he is neither guilty or innocent until he is removed from the dock.



  16. 19
    GUBU says:

    Milliband has no balls – he still has Balls.


  17. 22
    Operation Crossbow says:

    Let’s get this straight. If we ever do get a referendum (and Cameron knows he’s going to lose the next election) and we voted to leave the EU, the BBC, Guardian and left establishment will never let it happen.

    They would get round it by getting some sort of agreement from the EU to opt out of certain things, we’d vote again (like they keep doing in Ireland) until we give in and agree.

    The EU then forgets all about what is ‘promised’ and the political establishment carries on as before.


  18. 23
    pen4old says:

    Only to be expected, a socialist is not going to rule out membership of the EUSSR.

    Millibandus Minimus, as the son of a Marxist rhetorician, no doubt hopes for a senior role in the EuroPolitBuro.

    So much for Labour’s committment to democracy, freedom and choice, a flash of their true colours, bright red with a hammer and sickle in blue in the top right corner surrounded by 30 gold stars.


    • 129
      BBC politics is controlled by Labour says:

      Yes, Ed’s whole world is Camden and student politics of the extreme left. He wants to do what his father told him to do and was unable to do himself, f… this country. Ed’s never met a working man in his life and would not have the faintest idea what to say. Surley the least credible PM hopeful ever.


  19. 25
    No such thing as society says:

    He said HE wouldn’t want a in/out referendum which isn’t the same as a party decision.

    Considering “anything to keep my job Dave” and his amazing referendum cant say what the new things he wants from Europe and wouldn’t say then what he would do when he won’t get them.

    Not so much a line in the sand but a big long undulating scribble.


  20. 27
    Anonymous says:

    Excellent point by Eleanor Laing and one that the Tories need to remind people of at every opportunity.
    Labour just shot themselves in the foot.


  21. 27

    Feeling a bit dirty for betting against your own team, Eddos Traitorelli!


  22. 30
    Back in the EUSSR says:

    Elinor Laing just summed it up in a nutshell. Vote Conservative get a referendum , vote Labour and you wont. Now if only we could trust Cameron to stick to his word hmmmm


  23. 31
    Steve Miliband says:



  24. 32
    restore the monasteries says:

    Cameron failed to ram home what Militit said,NO referendum from labour.


    • 38
      Back in the EUSSR says:

      Not only that he completely failed to grasp what Milliband said, as he continued to askhim what he would do even after he stated it in no uncertain terms !!!!


      • 143
        MB. says:

        I can’t face watching it again but I thought that for some time that Milliband continued to be rather ambiguous and only gave a categorical refusal to have one at the end of his questions?

        Let’s hope the Conservatives remind him at every opportunity that he has refused to allowed the British people any say in the future of the relationship with the EU.

        Milliband obviously thought his scripted line about “Part-time Chancellor” was very witty, he needs a better script writer


  25. 33
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Miliband had Cameron up against a wall, pummelling him again and again, and then he fucks it all up, but stating Labour is against an In Out referendum.


  26. 37
    JH3472384023234 says:

    No UK in EU = No cosy little Kinnochio type ‘roles’ for failed Labourites.

    Of course they don’t want a fucking referendum.


  27. 40
    David Cameron says:

    Don’t worry Ed. As a good federast, I’ll make sure we don’t get a referendum either by losing to you, or whoever replaces you, or by deciding post election that the EU’s changed so much, it would be silly to hold one.


  28. 43
    Jimmy's Rightie Quote Of The Day says:

    “The question tonight is whether to add to that by passing legislation in the next session of this Parliament to provide for a referendum…

    …which would include a question on whether Britain should leave the EU altogether.

    This was not our policy at the election and it is not our policy now.

    Let me say why I continue to believe this approach would not be right…

    …why the timing is wrong…

    …and how Britain can now best advance our national interests in Europe.

    First, it’s not right because our national interest is to be in the EU, helping to determine the rules governing the single market – our biggest export market, which consumes more that 50 per cent of our exports and which drives much of the investment into the UK.

    That is not an abstract, theoretical argument: it matters for millions of jobs and millions of families in our country.

    That’s why successive Prime Ministers have advocated our membership of the EU.

    Second, it’s not the right time, at this moment of economic crisis, to launch legislation that includes an in-out referendum.

    When your neighbour’s house is on fire, your first impulse should be to help him put out the flames…

    …not least to stop the flames reaching your own house.

    This is not the time to argue about walking away.

    Not just for their sakes, but for ours.

    Legislating now for a referendum, including on whether Britain should leave the EU, could cause great uncertainty and could actually damage our prospects of growth. Third, and crucially, there’s a danger that by raising the prospect of a referendum – including an in/out option – we miss the real opportunity to further our national interest.”

    Rt. Hon Dave Gimmick, October 2011


  29. 44
    Anonymous says:

    like Cameron is ever going to give an in/our referendum once he is secure in Number 10 at the next election. you people are deluded.


    • 60
      smoggie says:

      You presume he will be voted in by a deluded electorate who have not been blessed with the foresight of your astute mind.


  30. 45
    old SHEP says:

    I take it that means he has neatly avoided any policy talk about their position on a half-way in/out referendum as well then.


  31. 46
    Who Want's Some! says:

    What a f_cking mong! The clown is too thick to even work out what he needs to do to get power! We need to get rid of every single one of the current membership of the HOC. They are damaged goods that needs to put in the waste. We need a new generation of MPs who come do not from the closeted world of the elite. Both Cameron and Millbean need to be defeated in elections to get rid of them. If Cameron wins the next GE then that is Millbean gone, the struggle then will be to win the Out vote, that is if Dave is going to let you have that vote! But if he loses the vote then that’s him gone as well! Works for me and then we can get some real Conservative values.


  32. 48
    Heidi Alexander MP says:

    I didn’t jump up and down at PMQ’s today. Frankly I put on a stone last month and I haven’t the energy.


  33. 49
    Back in the EUSSR says:

    I wonder which current matter Theresa May is grappling with in her role as Home Secretary which has resulted in her looking like she hasnt slept or eaten in weeks ?????


    • 128
      Catty Comment (Ms) says:

      Trying to imagine what 500,000 scruffy Bulgars look like.


      • 144
        MB. says:

        I wonder if they can use the excuse of the re-negotiations of the terms of membership as an excuse to postpone letting in the millions of East Europeans expected next year?


  34. 50
    Alfred says:

    Wouldn’t is be nice if we could sprinkle all the money handed out by the EU godfathers with radio active particles and then run a geiger counter round Westminster.


  35. 51
    Postal Vote says:

    Mili, Beeb and Guardian all bet (and hope) that within the first-past-the-post constituency-based system UKIP will garner sufficient votes and libdems will lose not too many to make a new con-dem coalition impossible and foster a lab-lib coalition.


    • 54
      Operation Crossbow says:

      Expect the BBC fronted by Nicky Campbell to now go all out on a wall of pro EU propaganda.


    • 73
      old SHEP says:

      A Lab/Con coalition is the most logical arrangement, they both seem to share pretty much the same ideology, Lenin v Trotsky (all those ice picks flying around, oh, what fun!).


  36. 52
    FU EU says:

    What on earth was Mrs Dromey on about when he talks of British workers?

    I think he needs to go and have a chat with his old boss ‘poopy pants’ in Kikardy.


  37. 55
    smoggie says:

    When he says “we” I presume he does not mean the Royal We, so on whose behalf is he speaking for? And how does he know what they want unless he has asked them?


  38. 56
    Anonymous says:

    Labour has had a lot of time to prepare for this and they’ve still managed to create a ballsed-up, tactically incompetent position.

    They may just have thrown Dave & Co a lifeline for a true blue gov in 2015. Something very few thought possible before the beginning of this year.

    The oiks make a fatal mistake in assuming the toffs are stupid, and get rings run round them for it.


    • 148
      Gooey Blob says:

      Cameron has always been a dead-cert winner for 2015, people just have very short memories and think a small lead mid-term in an austerity government will translate into a Labour victory in 2015. It won’t. Foot and Kinnock had mid-term poll leads in the mid 20s and went on to lose. Miliband’s lead with the only pollster that matters has fallen to 5%.


  39. 64
    Alan Rusbridger, pianist says:

    Today, I will be playing the ‘Love on the Dole’ suite by Richard Addinsell.


  40. 66
    Anonymous says:

    Not very bright, is he?


  41. 67
    Moby Dick says:

    his brother David will challenge for leadership saying he will offer referendum 2015


  42. 69
    Back in the EUSSR says:

    Doo you think Balls absence from the house was to distance himselffrom the predicted fuck up by Ed ?


  43. 72
    smoggie says:

    My position is no – We don’t want a posturing ninny as the next Prime Minister.


  44. 75
    EU Watch says:

    It will be interesting to see if Ed’s position today is picked up on by UKIP (which it should be) and they manage to capitalize on this.

    One suspects that not all core Labour voters are super keen on the EU either and that statement combined with Camerons lack of convincing action may help slow loss of Conservative support and stimulate a flow from Labour.

    Perhaps the only reason Cameron did not make a point of this is that he does not actually want that to happen, or mistakenly thinks that his more pragmatic approach will win support.

    The whole issue of ‘negotiation’ is false: There is no negotiation over sovereignty which is to the point. Entering into a negotiation from a stated negative position is not smart normally, unless you are talking about an absolute right being relinquished which has not been consented to by the people you represent.


  45. 81
    A Jellyfish says:

    David Cameron is an inspiration to medusozoae everywhere!


  46. 83
    Centre Parting says:

    Does Huhne have to put all of these Court attendances down as holiday?
    Surely innocent till proven guilty, but he should not be paid for the time spent on external matters?.


  47. 86
    Spotted Dick says:

    Could DC just have saved the Lib Dems from total destruction at the next General Election?

    Vote Lib Dem rather than Labour, thus enabling those disgruntled leftwingers to not break the tradition of never voting Tory, get ‘touchy-feely moderation’ of Conservative policies (supposing coalition) AND a vote on the EU?


    • 97
      EU? In out shake it all about says:

      Surely the Clegg and Cameron combo won’t con the british electorate again in 2015 with pure lies? Once bitten twice shy, and all that?


    • 111
      pissed off voter says:

      Tuition fees pledge? Referendum promise? They are more likely to turn to UKIP or abstain.



  48. 88
    Herman von Rubellows says:

    I am most displeased by this inconvenience.
    I shall forgive this lapse if you sign this new EU budget, increasing 13% for the next ten years.


  49. 89
    David's Behind You says:

    This is where his brother comes out from stage right and shouts, “OH YES WE DO !!!! “


  50. 92
    Old Grumpy says:

    Which ever way you look at Millibland’s position, he is a SILLY boy!

    The obvious is, as stated in the article, he has put himself on the wrong side of the argument……….. but what about the confidence thing?

    Cambo has placed his reliance on winning over the electorate. Bland has decided he couldn’t do that!


    • 101
      Confirmation of you superb conjecture says:


    • 102
      EU? In out shake it all about says:

      What arguement? Cameron was all over the French last week, licking them all over, for sending their troops into Mali, while he gives UB40s to our sharp-end lads.


  51. 100
    old SHEP says:

    I see the Cheshire Cat re-materialised on Radio 4 today (oh, Mandy!)


  52. 104

    That is one hell of a lisp which Ed is spraying out in that pic.


  53. 106
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    The only in/out Miliband will have is when the party decides to throw him out. Miliband is totally bereft of any ideas, he only offers negativity and carping-on.


  54. 108
    Kevin T says:

    You know what, he’s a gurning elitist North London left wing wanker and I would just as soon eat a Tescos burger with a jockey’s whip sticking out of it than vote for him, but at least he is being honest and upfront about what his party’s position is.

    He’s not lying that he can renegotiate powers back from an EU that only tolerates our current foot-dragging because of how much money we pay in. He’s not using the promise of a distant in/out referendum as a bribe to UKIP defectors to come back and Tory Eurosceptics to shut up till after the election.


  55. 109
    Clear Blue Water says:

    Does anyone seriously believe, that while David Cameron is the leader of the Conservatives, the tories will ever offer an in/out referendum on Europe?

    They keep banging on about how its down to the people now, except it isn’t. There’s no guarantee that even if negotiations are unsucessful, it will be put to the people. Not only that, there is no indication of what a successful negotitation would look like.

    This is just Cameron kicking the can further down the road in the hope of re-election.

    The sad thing is both Labour and Lib Dem’s positions are somehow worse. You have to be a fool of the highest degree to outright say no to a referendum.


  56. 110
  57. 114
    Mil liar the second says:

    Look here, I can’t be seen to agree with the tory position, that would mean I have no views of my own.
    My strategy is clear and considered, I must disagree with anything the other gang propose.
    Why does no one understand my position? Its just not fair.


  58. 117
    Jimmy says:

    So basically he’s lost the guidophile vote?

    He’ll be gutted.


  59. 119
    Sig Hansen says:

    Milliband has lost nothing we all knew he would be against a Referendum he was just thick enough to say it at PMQs

    The real question is do we believe Dave ?

    Er NO !!


  60. 121
    dick dastardardly mp says:

    My position is that I don’t want a referendum because I will have to make a decision. In short …. we are fucked


  61. 124
    Dr Evil says:

    He’s a complete twat and no believer in true democracy.


  62. 134
    DWWolds says:

    The simple retort is: we want you either Mr Milliminor.


  63. 136
    Anonymous says:



  64. 139
    Shocked of Sheen says:

    What’s happened to Huhne today?


  65. 140

    Who’s this “we”, Keemosabi?


  66. 141
    Postal Votes are Labour Loo Paper says:

    What a cnut millipede is. Don’t want the peasants actually having say when the liebor tossers know better what is good for us peons. Typical leftie pusbags.


  67. 145
  68. 146
    Gooey Blob says:

    It really doesn’t matter what Miliband says, he is an irrelevance. Ed Miliband will never become PM. That he has positioned himself on the wrong side of the argument is depressing but unsurprising.

    What’s even worse for Labour is that they now have the disgraced Peter Mandelson going around TV studios speaking on their behalf.


  69. 147
    EdButLookBalls says:

    BBC R4 PM in full EU mode picking DC to bits.!

    The cnuts in the the BBC always analyse from the pro-EU slant, there is no impartiality, twats!


  70. 150
    Tim Williamson says:

    In other words, Millibrand doesn’t think that the British people should be able to decide for themselves, absolutely, who makes the rules that govern them?


  71. 153
    mraemiller says:

    To be fair we already did one – it was called Harold Wilson


  72. 157
    fitz fitz says:

    This Milliband chap is more and more annoying : the new hectoring Fish Wife style is very annoying indeed …


  73. 158
    Anonymous says:

    Most normal people would prefer a referendum on the NHS bill, not this bollocks.


  74. 160
    HenryV says:

    My family have lived in the same village for over 500 years. Where was Miliband’s family 500 years ago? Where were they 100 years ago? Miliband should fuck off back to Poland or Belgium if he loves the EU so much. Who is he to tell us which direction our country should take?


  75. 161
    Displaced Brummie says:

    But please note the double negative, there.

    “No we do not…” So, does this mean that Ed really does want one? Or not? Does he know what he wants? What? Neil Kinnock fears for his EU pension? Is THAT why Labour is in the thrall of the EU, now?


  76. 162
    Anonymous says:

    Being in opposition doesn’t mean you have to disagree with every single thing. Would you rather England became like Greece or is it better to try and improve and go forward


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