January 19th, 2013

Saturday Seven Up

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You’re either in front of Guido, or behind…


  1. 1

    Wither █████?


    • 2
      pedant says:

      Don’t you mean whither?


      • 4


        I am more than happy with what I posted.


        • 7
          We're meat again, maybe at Tesco says:

          Whither the withers ?


        • 69
          Anonymous says:

          Fees backlash leads to sharp decline in student numbers

          The number of students admitted to British universities last autumn plummeted by as much as 40 per cent amid a huge backlash over rising tuition fees, it has emerged.



          • Living in 96.98 percent white Merseyside says:

            I wonder how many would be from overseas? Still, that’s less staying over when their visas expire.


          • Mr Nobody says:

            Too many people are going to university, it pushes up qualification inflation. Before long you would have required a degree to sweep the streets, dig ditches or flip burgers.

            If the pressure on school leavers to attend university is starting to ease, that is a good thing.


          • Where has all the money gone says:

            WTF did they think would happen?? The Kids aren’t as stupid as the Political Class,, thinking that massive DEBT is how you run your life.. Ruin..
            A Daft C-nt and his money are easily parted.. Looks like the Royal institute of Science has more than a lot of educated fools running it.. Economic terrorists like their Politcal masters. Scum have destroyed this country and enslaved its people into DEBT.


      • 21
        Anonymous says:

        Fears are mounting that the heavy snowfall across Britain could plunge the fragile economy into a triple-dip recession.

        Official figures next week are expected to show that output fell in the fourth quarter of the year following the briefest of recoveries between July and September.

        Analysts yesterday warned that the disruption caused by blizzards could lead to another three months of decline at the start of this year – pushing Britain into its third recession in five years.

        Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-2264675/Snow-spell-big-freeze-economy.html#ixzz2IPdZJupr
        Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook


        • 28
          Crystal Balls says:

          Surely there must be an export market for snow ?


          • I Remember You Hoo says:


            Isn’t that a thing of the past? At least that’s what the alleged ‘very clever’ boffins at the University of East Anglia CRU unit told me.

            Perhaps Mystic Meg mislead them?


          • E J Smith says:

            Greenland has being doing something similar for centuries. I don’t think it went down well with my passengers, though.


        • 32
          Chickin Lickin says:

          You think of the Daily Mail as an authoritative source of predictions amd analysis? How quaint.

          Remind me, when was the last time they didn’t make a dire prediction of catastrophe about something? The day of the launch of the Titanic?


          • Anonymous says:

            Er, they DID predict that untrammeled immigration would cause problems. Recession? Yeah, let’s let some more in. A shortage of real jobs for the young? Yeah, let’s let some more in. A housing shortage? Yeah, let’s let some more in.


          • Anonymous says:

            There are number of eminent economist saying the same thing. In 2012 Q4, GDP is -ve. Next week government has to give the GDP numbers. Question is how much -ve.

            Compared to other countries income has fallen in UK due to fall in exchange rate. This will lead to brain drain.


          • Chickin Lickin says:

            Then cite the economists, not the cheerless misery-mongers at the Daily Mail.


          • Anonymous says:

            Chickin Lickin; would you also want to see their certificates, experience , etc?


          • Chickin Lickin says:

            Why not? At least their names would be a start.

            The point is that the Daily Mail’s position on amything is such a formula they have no credibility. When they say something will be bad and it happens that it is bad, they are only right because of the stopped clock principle.


          • albacore says:

            Yeah, ignore that old, scaremongering Mail
            With Dave in charge, after all, what could fail?
            If owt goes wrong he’ll just print a few bob
            He’s a real star, like Gordon, at the job


          • Anonymous says:


          • Sir William says:

            As Hayek pointed out all those years ago, this is exactly what you must expect after many years of an uncontrolled credit boom and insane deficit spending; and there ain’t much you can do except tough it out.


          • CarryHole is a Dismal Hunt says:

            We’re seeing the end of the recession in that bad companies are being removed from the market.

            This is real economic growth, not the false “growth” caused by Gordo’s credit binge.


        • 367
          Dave says:

          Recession due to wrong type of snow!


    • 5
      gramma says:

      Huhne in the dock? Hairy!


    • 11
      State Secret says:



    • 19
      Tay King-dePisse says:

      Can we possibly bring back transporting convicts? The question, though, would be: Who would take him? Maybe one of those former jug-o’-saliva countries? I hear they treat wealthy ex-pat Brits quite well.


    • 22
      Owen Jones says:

      oh boo hoo you big girl !!


    • 98
      Everybody says:

      8illy Kebab and Schrödinger’s cat use the occasional old English word because they think it gives them an air of intellectualism – 8illy Kebab used to regularly use “methinks”.
      They are of course sad tossers of the first degree, but they think they serve a purpose.
      If they don’t like (or lick to adopt 8illy Kebab’s lingo) this comment, then they are of course free to take a full refund and fuck off.


  2. 3
    More Bullshit says:

    How can they say Heathrow runs at 99% capacity when it does not operate at night?


  3. 6


    Japan’s Falklands?


    • 8
      Tesco burgher says:

      Do they have penguins ?


      • 12
        Godzilla says:

        They did, but not any more.



        • 25
          Manchuria says:


          • If it’s made in China, at least it will fall to bits the moment it’s out of guarantee.


          • Wrong! They rusted as the Japs did not know we used salt on the roads.

            But the dealers often, quite wrongly, did not bother to PDI them because they were so mechanically reliable.


          • Manchuria says:

            Its an old Russian tub, the Varyag, flogged stripped down. The Chinese have refitted her. Rather like the Royal Navy, they are still without the planes to operate her. Unlike the Royal Navy, they will soon be on board and in training to unleash the pointy metal bits from a great height. It is really just a training and feasibility excercise at this stage, but the Japanese would do well not to be provoking the Chinese into wanting to build themselves too many more of these.


          • @Manchuria

            Sino-Japanese War Report Day 4:
            2,000 Japanese killed 10,000 Chinese killed.

            Velly soon, no more Japanese!

            @Mr Bleeding a/r

            I used to walk to school in London smog. It was a killer.


    • 9
      Chairman Mao says:



    • 145
      SCMP Watch says:

      Only real difference is Senkaku islands are uninhabited.

      The Japanese, in all fairness, messed up when they took sovereignty over the islands back in 1972. They should have established a military base somewhere at least, if not to defend then to establish some sort of habitation.

      Strategically much more important than F’lands. Japan trying to get into NATO now, and US suggesting NATO get more involved in Pacific affairs demonstrates this and weakness of Japan.

      If Ch!na wins and establishes forward base / starts to produce oil it will affect US security somewhat, and will consolidate PRC hold over ROC.

      Chances high that Ch!na will go ahead with this as Jiabao needs some sort of ‘win’ to help quell disquiet which is popping up around the country and get people back behind the party.


      • 184

        The Japanese ability to create brand new military bases in the early 70s would have created all sorts of unthinkable problems then which would not be seen to be the case now. In addition, though its home industry was growing rapidly, they were only at the start of the huge export drive that made them manufacturers to the world during the 80s, the role now occupied by China.

        There are also the southern Kuriles which have long been in dispute, this time with the Ruskies. China must have been watching opportunistically at this and thinking about the best time to launch their own play.


      • 186

        Thе Jаpаnеѕе аbіlіty tо сrеаtе brаnd nеw mіlіtаry bаѕеѕ іn thе еаrly 70ѕ wоuld hаvе сrеаtеd аll ѕоrtѕ оf unthіnkаblе prоblеmѕ thеn whісh wоuld nоt bе ѕееn tо bе thе саѕе nоw. In аddіtіоn, thоugh іtѕ hоmе іnduѕtry wаѕ grоwіng rаpіdly, thеy wеrе оnly аt thе ѕtаrt оf thе hugе еxpоrt drіvе thаt mаdе thеm mаnufасturеrѕ tо thе wоrld durіng thе 80ѕ, thе rоlе nоw оссupіеd by Chіnа.

        Thеrе аrе аlѕо thе ѕоuthеrn Kurіlеѕ whісh hаvе lоng bееn іn dіѕputе, thіѕ tіmе wіth thе Ruѕkіеѕ. Chіnа muѕt hаvе bееn wаtсhіng оppоrtunіѕtісаlly аt thіѕ аnd thіnkіng аbоut thе bеѕt tіmе tо lаunсh thеіr оwn plаy.


        • 273
          SCMP Watch says:

          Certainly are a lot of niwatori coming home to roost.

          The base back then could have been set up with the US and wouldn’t have to be anything big. There was survey work done and the oil was known about since 1968, but is perhaps not Ch!na’s main concern. Ch!na is relatively new to deep sea drilling:


          (NB: Note the location and that AW109’s were recently sold to the Phil and the crash in London the other day and significant of T@ng… curious eh. ?)

          Timing is more likely due to political problems at home and availability of aircraft carrier / new attack subs. Ch!nese SU rip offs should beat Japan F-15’s if they can project closer to the islands.


          • Scarborough shoal! Is it salvage or Savile they are after? :-)

            Interesting though but I’ll avoid the references to chicken/horse!

            Can’t see how the chopper was anything but an accident though, Mr T notwithstanding. Mind you, in his shoes, I would now have three standby choppers and chose one at the last moment!


          • SCMP Watch says:

            Eyewitnesses said chopper appeared to be having issues prior to crash, no black box and will be difficult indeed to find any evidence from what is left.

            Accident maybe, but with ‘best pilot in the country’ and timing, credibility wanes. Accident likely as troubles started early…

            The control over fishing is also significant in the Senkaku. Soy harvest down last year – significantly.


          • I.E. Internal troubles call for external diversion.

            Where have we heard that one before?


          • SCMP Watch says:

            It’s a popular one with all governments who know they are going to get caught in a bind.

            However, the Soy issue for Ch!na is much more serious. Most of their supply comes from outside the country and it is that which has failed. Some reading up of analysis also shows that the imports represent a significant water import as well.

            With the size of their population the demand for protein is somewhat large. This is not just about diversion, but really is looking like it is shaping up to be about a display of raw aggression for the purpose of survival.

            India of course is another source of food, but they stopped exporting a few years ago:


            And check out irredentism, Himalayas and recent developments by Ch!na and India.


          • That situation has clearly moved on whilst my attention has been elsewhere. I had always expected the trouble to flare up on the Kashmir side. My father served on secondment to the Indian Navy up to the time of partition and actually lived in the house which Lutyens built on Aurangzeb Road and in which Muhammad Ali Jinnah had previously lived. It is now the Dutch Ambassador’s residence and I was treated to tea there on my last visit when they learned of my family connections.

            The prime example of irredentism is of course the Anschluss, something out of my time but with which I have had a startling number of close but chance connections which I won’t go into now.

            The Tibet situation would not have moved the food problems on at all as it is all subsistence stuff there. But it is one step closer which probably provides the key. Have they built air bases there?

            On a lighter note, I am always amused by the Indian preference for the denominations of lakh and crore!


          • SCMP Watch says:

            It’s not so much the Kashmir side that is of interest, more the India Ch!na border side that is interesting.

            India / Pakistan is going to be balanced by TAPI pipeline eventually, and if agreement can be drawn up to absorb Pakistan military, Pakistan itself be joined back to India maybe within the next 10 years.

            It will be curious to see if a spur will be taken off of that towards Ch!na.

            This was the other recent article I was looking for:


            Lakh / Crore suspect are the remnants of their hyperinflation, may be handy for folk in the UK to get used to those terms the way things are going.


          • Maybe I expressed myself badly but you are saying what I was already admitting. It is China, not P@kistan, that is the critical point/problem. I agree, having checked what you said.

            BTW Where is your main focus of interest, and why, if that is not too impertinent a question? Are you in education, industry or emeritus?


          • Blowing Whistles says:

            Anyone with a high powerd rifle can take out a helicopter – and it’s hardly likely that the hole will be discovered in whats left of the wreckage – there was a helicopter which had a similar odd dropping to the gorund near Bournemouth airport several years ago – all russian businessmen involved of course.


          • What you have to know, with your HK MP7 in hand, is that that chopper is going to be flying over you and diverted, because of fog, to Battersea.

            And there is the issue of the fog itself…

            I think you have to think that one through better…


          • What you have to know, BW, with your ΗΚ MP7 in hand, is that that chopper is going to be flying over you and diverted, because of fog, to Battersea.

            And there is the issue of the fog itself…

            I think you have to think that one through better…


  4. 10
    Beware a Dutchman Selling Meat says:

    So, it was Cleggy’s lot. Bastards.


  5. 13
    abattoirs' R' us says:

    Black beauty burgers, 99p for 20,withers and everything.


    • 15
      Benefiteer says:

      It’s fatcher’s fault. I can only afford value burgers form the corrupt tesco capitalists cause otherwise I won’t have enough bennyfits left for lager, fags, lottery and other essential things.


      • 37
        The Taxpayer says:

        Why are you buying burgers on benefits when you could be gainfully employed flipping them?


        • 56
          Benefiteer says:

          Don’t be fxxking daft. I’m not doing heavy work like that. What do you think the Poles & Co. are for?


  6. 14

    Message to CaMoron STAY OUT OF ALGERIA ! Our 5 remaining troops and our one remaining Landrover will do no good what so ever


    • 16
      And now to whether says:

      Thought it was getting ready to be the Kenyan’s war, as usual we will hang on to Bambi’s tailcoat to help Camoron look as if he’s sitting at the top table when he’s just the dishwasher.


    • 17
      Synic says:

      Dave — Can you remember the names of the last 10 U.K. soldiers killed in Afghanistan? Or the last 5? Or the last 1?
      You were going to remember them for ever at PMQs, thoughts and prayers for there families and friends.

      Now you are posing about Algeria. Holding COBRA meetings.
      The Algerians don’t give a shit about what you think, you impotent cnut.


    • 20
      One-term Dave, dragging the Tories to their grave, says:

      A Landrover?? Bally Hell! I didn’t know they still had one of those!

      As I said in my 2010 Defence Review, Britain faces no military threats before 2020 at the earliest, so that Landrover’s not required. I’ll get the MOD to sell it immediately, and put the money towards African windfarms. What what!

      Tally ho!


      • 23
        smoggie says:

        The forces have been decimated but have there been any cuts in the 75,000 pencil pushers at the MOD. Has there fuck.


        • 30
          now then says:

          This may help to explain a little.. especially the bit about White House staff.



        • 35
          DAVE FAUNA and FLORA CAMERMONG says:

          Great idea ! Send them bastards out there , Imagine the fear on the face of a terrorist being stabbed to death by 75,000 pencils


        • 43
          MoD Grafters says:

          Don’t underestimate the amount of work we’re undertaking in planning to operate one new carrier without aircraft, while mothballing the other one at great expense at the same time. We’re under a lot of pressure.

          On top of this we have to come up with excuses for equipment and supply failures to Afghanistan, and worry about the 10 year old unused Chinooks rotting away. It’s really tough here in Whitehall.

          If that wasn’t enough, we’ve got to make sure our gold plated inflation proofed pensions are fully protected.


          • And now to whether says:

            Still paying off the PFI for refurbishing the MOD offices must take most of the taxpayers money.


      • 263
        Dave says:

        It would be a shame to waste our billions of pounds worth of pricey desert kit and all those snazzy uniforms. Let’s spend a few years running pointlessly around the North African desert ‘to make the streets of Britain safer.”


    • 83
      David Cameron says:

      We were hoping to use those Spitfires after they’d been dug up but I fear that is now unlikely.


  7. 26

    Don’t be so Cricklewood, Victoria.

    Get your tits out.



  8. 34
    Blowing Whistles says:

    There have been far too many contenders for the Bandwagon jumping hypocrite of the week award this week; but Cameron gets a jumping off the bandwagon award for his hypocrisy what ho?


    • 78
      Anonymous says:

      The Hippocratic Oath is an oath historically taken by physicians and other healthcare professionals swearing to practice medicine ethically and honestly.

      the world of white coats.
      if earth was meant to be white it would be coloured (ha) white.


      • 354
        Blowing Whistles says:

        Many of the old school of Doctors – know damned well that the H Oath is but a worthless piece of cra.p these days – most Doctors are now suborned under legal vultures (of the NHS Litigation Dept) who face off any and every risk of litigation that may come their way – YES another cancer out of the litigation propagation of schools of f.uck.s of Ma erica.


  9. 38

    Sam has always had my favourite Bush !


  10. 44
    National Socialist says:

    And so the EU speech that never was.

    But you can read excerpts of it if you want to.

    Not that important really.


    • 48
      National Socialist says:

      “Foreign Secretary William Hague says the Algerian crisis will remain top priority until every British national is accounted for.”

      So stuff the EU question eh?


      • 51
        Morning all says:

        Is he also planning to undertake such an exercise at home? Must be lots of missing indigenous Brits lying about cluttering up the place.


      • 55
        horses head in the bed says:

        Looks to me like the boys have got to him.


      • 60
        The Public says:

        What a pathetic bunch our current cabinet have turned out to be, running around like chickens with their heads cut off from crisis to crisis, letting terroroists set their agenda for them.


        • 70
          Ah! Monika 2013 +1 says:

          Reminds me of Thatcher getting M&S to open early after the Brighton Bomb, so the conference could go on.


      • 173
        little man with little heart says:

        Was watching the news this morning and in this time of grave crisis for some of our citizens abroad, it was terribly reassuring to hear that the UK Foreign Secretary had tweeted a message.


  11. 57
    Possibly more than seven up says:



  12. 61
    Fog says:

    Did anyone notice?: 14 Jan 2013 The House of Lords voted by 300 to 231 – a majority of 69 – to back an amendment delaying plans for a boundary review and to cut the number of MPs from 650 to 600 until 2018 at the earliest.

    So a Labour government forever then after the next election.


    • 63
      The Public says:

      Only if we vote for it. If you think having a Labour government in power is a bad idea, get off your backside and do something to show what would be a better idea. That is how elections are supposed to work.


      • 89
        Fog says:

        The boundary review is designed to equalise the number of voters in each constituency, ending a bias that tends to favour Labour MPs with smaller-sized constituencies.


  13. 66
    Court Out? says:

    Henry 6 Cliff 0


    Don’t forget you can sell ‘em on eBay


    • 73
      M Thatcher says:

      He isn’t dead yet? Who knew?


      • 88
        Former News Of The Screws Hack says:

        He hasn’t been arrested in Operation Yewtree yet? Everyone else his age has been, it seems! He must have been into older (*ahem*) “persons,” I suppose…Yeah, you know, nudge nudge wink wink, “persons,” of course, wouldn’t want to imply anything about his private life, which is, of course, private, and none of our beeswax, right?


    • 84
      ROFL says:

      …and mine


  14. 71
    restore the monasteries says:

    Having only flown on the “Astral” plane, i would have thought that an air
    terminal the size of those in and around Londonistan,(yes,i,ve seen for myself),
    given the money spent on “Snow clearing equipment”,several million,i believe,
    surely it would have been better spent on a system of “Hot water pipes” built into the runways,which,if done correctly would at least keep the tarmac ice free.


  15. 87
    BBC Global Warming Department says:

    Wildfires raged across southern Australia on Friday, killing one man and destroying several homes as sweltering temperatures brought fresh misery for firefighters battling dozens of blazes amid a relentless heatwave due to man made global warming.


  16. 105
    Bleeding destitute air travellers lying on the floor at Heathrow says:

    You’d think at least one of those miserable shops at Heathrow would sell SOME camp beds????


  17. 117
    Sir William says:

    Lovely crisp new snow here at Waad Magna, so I’m off hacking. (Don’t tell Mr Coogan!). I’ll start off down Owen’s Bottom and then round by Penny Bush before coming home via Bryant’s Cottage.


  18. 128
    mike says:

    it’s good to see all you tories in such good cheer – economy in the shit, depression into it’s 3rd year, no plan for jobs, no plan to booster the economy, snow bound airports, thousands of disabled people dead because of your policies, cameron wanting a war with anyone he can find, what a fucking pile of shit you all are


    • 132
      (I don't need no doctor) says:

      It would have been a lot worse if Miliband and Balls were in power.


    • 139
      rebekah aka nellnewman says:

      Well that is exactly what is was like during 13 years of labour – might be difficult now but it’s a damn sight better than it was under bliar and brown!


      • 143
        rebekah aka nellnewman says:

        At least we haven’t got militwit and bullyballs – at least not yet!

        We’ll all lose the will to live if they ever make no 10 and no 11 downing street!!


    • 148
      Chip D Posit says:

      You are Ed Miliband and I claim you’re crackers.


    • 176
      Liam Byrne says:

      There is STILL no money left from our 13 years of catastrophe: they have all our debt to pay off.


    • 312
      Anonymous says:

      Just a brief, cheap holiday. In 2015 the red totalitarian machine clicks back into gear for the long term.


  19. 129
    Mornington Crescent, trying to concentrate with the Cillit Bang ad in the background says:

    Penny Bush has been shorn so you won’t see much; Bryant’s Bottom could be a bit muddy at this time of year.


    • 130
      Mornington Crescent, trying to concentrate with the Cillit Bang ad in the background says:

      …in reply to Sir William (132).


      • 135
        Everybody says:

        so why did you not reply to that comment rather than make an entirely new one.

        Actually, don’t bother answering, we don”t care


  20. 133
    • 136
      (I don't need no doctor) says:

      Send Harman and Bryant out to sort this issue.


    • 170
      A gap in the market says:

      This could actually work in the UK: Certainly would keep the unwashed protester scum out.

      The only problem I see with the Cafe in the report is that men were serving in the women only section.


  21. 134
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    On a serious note, please feed the birds in your garden, they need all the help we can give them.


    • 137
      rebekah aka nellnewman says:


      But if you do start feeding making sure that you keep it up – because if little birds find a feeding station and then the feeding station stops feeding them in bad weather – they are unable to store very little energy in their small bodies and so struggle then to find alternative sources of food.


      • 147
        rebekah aka nellnewman says:

        Thanks for that! I didn’t know they would eat porridge oats! Have been feeding them Wilkinson’s peanuts and mixed seed plus fat balls.

        Will be trying porridge oats from tomorrow.


        • 152
          English Person says:

          That’s how ended up with rats in the garden. The damned birds throw so much on the ground. I regret to say I’ve stopped feeding them.
          It’s taken me three years and countless vats of rat poison to get rid of them.


        • 155
          (I don't need no doctor) says:

          In hanging feeders, sunflower seeds, fat balls, and peanuts. On the floor Birds multi-seed bread and a high energy suet sprinkles.
          This morning : 5 long tailed tits, green finches, chaffinches , two robins, coal tits, blue tits, blackbirds. A veritable display.


      • 324
        Pet Shop Customer says:

        Excuse me young man, do you have fat balls?


    • 171
      The bird population of Romania and Bulgaria says:

      We are coming over because we hear that you can survive on handouts in the UK.


  22. 142
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    I’m really fed up with this armstrong chap that keeps appe@ring on the tv complaining that because he che@ted with drugs in 7 major cycling championships, sued and bullied everyone who tried to expose him and ruined their lives – now he’s banned for life from competing.

    If I he@r him say he’s ‘been tre@ted unfairly” one more time I’m chucking my shoe at the telly!!


    • 150
      Everyone else says:

      Hear Hear. Just an excuse to get this awful ‘Oprah’ woman coverage for a vile cheat.


    • 159
      old SHEP says:

      That’s about as serious as it gets, the ultimate insult. Timpsons have a lot to answer for :-)


    • 165
      Armstrong is a filthy c'nut says:

      His recent energy drink ad campaign in the US has been a flop.

      He is essentially a drug dealer.

      Oprah came off better and boosted her ratings through the interview.

      Perhaps the c’nut is on Telly here as the UK, being the new authority and world superstars at cycling (which we aren’t really…) is worried that the IOC dropping of cycling and general pawl hanging over the sport is going to affect olympic legacy and one of our key export markets: Bikes.

      Best to switch the bike manufacturers back to gun manufacturing, get rid of all the post 1997 gun control crap, forget Armstrong and have that referendum.


      • 185
        Baby Boomer says:

        My Dad had a BSA bantam. It paid for Lady Docker’s Rolls Royce, I heard him say when I was a toddler.


      • 187
        old SHEP says:

        ?, struggling to understand what the connection is.


        • 192
          Baby Boomer says:

          Bikes-motor bikes-BSA-British Small Arms-Sir Bernard and Lady Docker-gold plated Rolls Royce.


        • 208
          Armstrong is a filthy c'nut says:

          To manufacture a bike involves good knowledge and skill at producing metal tubes.

          Metal tubes are the key component of firearms and most projectile weaponry.

          If Armstrong is being wheeled out on telly a lot in the UK (he is largely written off in the US) saying he is sorry etc. it is not to save his sorry a$$, more to perhaps save the sport, or keep demand for bikes up.

          Cycling was really hyped at the 2012 Olympics, likely to help boost exports / manufacture from UK. If that is now tarnished, time to move on.

          If bike demand goes down as a result of Armstrong trashing the sport globally, to the point the IOC are dropping it at the next Olympics, then instead of flogging the dead horse: innovate. Preserve the skills and keep them productive.

          Arms export and manufacture is much more beneficial to UK economy. Repealing the post 1997 control laws in the UK will help provide a good domestic market and make the country a better and safer place.


  23. 153
    Testing mod 4 ex nell says:

    that keeps appearing on th

    ‘been treated unfairly”

    he cheated

    Rice ‘n pea


  24. 154
    A Brazilian Transsexual says:

    Aargh! I’m up to 95 kilos!


  25. 164
    Ah! Monika 2013 +1 says:

    Just to remind you.

    Half the population have below average intelligence.


    • 168
      The bottom 50 percent says:

      Prove it !


    • 169
      The Downing Street Cuckoo says:

      99% of MPs are criminals and many have no conviction.


      • 204
        A life of undetected crime. says:

        But isn’t that the case with all criminals. only a very small minority end up with a conviction let alone illuminate the police radar?


      • 220
        albacore says:

        Name the one that ain’t and folks will feel faint
        A LibLabCon twister without a taint?
        You’ll wreck all their hard-won reputations
        Making such crazy insinuations


      • 346
        Blowing Whistles says:

        In the case of Lord Ahmed – he had his conviction conveniently ‘quashed’ … one rule for them and – well you know the rest…


    • 178
      Mathematician says:

      Not necessarily true; by way of illustration, if 75% of the population had an IQ of 95 and 25% had an IQ of 115, the average (mean) IQ would be 100 and 75% of people would have below average intelligence.


    • 188
      Mitt Romney says:

      And in the States, half the population are on benefits of some kind, too. Half the population pays no income tax, either.
      Coincidence? I think not!
      We still let ‘em vote, though. For Obama, but hey, such is life.


    • 227
      old SHEP says:

      I can remember doing an IQ test at primary school when I was ten years old, one of the questions was: If a white cow gives white milk, what colour milk does a black cow give?, serious philosophy involved in that one, but being ten years old I said black, a reasonable assumption on the evidence given I thought, although I knew milk from cows is always white regardless of the skin colour of the bovine. Never did get that place in Grammar School.


      • 229
        Tay King-dePisse says:

        While we’re on the subject of black cows, does anyone have a Diane Abbott Tweet they’d like to post?


      • 241
        Curly says:

        Similar to that other old chestnut:

        1. Another word for ‘prod’ [poke]
        2. Another word for ‘people’ ]folk]
        3. A name for the white of an egg….[ ? ]


    • 258
      The bottom 50 percent says:

      As ONS got closest to stating, your statement is incorrect.

      Roughly half of the population will have below median intelligence.

      The average is not a fair measure, unless you trim out the outliers, which will further disprove the statement. The average is also meaningless without the standard deviation or variance additionally being provided.

      You would be correct to state that about 68% of the population have IQ within 1 standard deviation of the average, assuming IQ is Gaussian distributed, or half have IQ below the mean assuming Gaussian distribution.

      Now: Is intelligence distributed normally ? Burt (1963) suggests no.

      Funny no one above pointed that out, however that does not speak to intelligence quotas rather a complete lack of understanding of statistics. :-)


  26. 167
    Roger Hayes says:

    Can we have that in writing ?


    • 348
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Aren’t you some deluded pratt who’s been shown to be a right fecking pillock and who has so much to hide behind your public persona?

      And don’t you know what narcissism is you fake?


      • 349
        Blowing Whistles says:

        I know what ‘comment’ the above was pointed at – such that it appears on its lonesome.


        • 350
          Blowing Whistles says:

          348 & 349 tie in together – withone way above and perhaps with 350 if I post it quick enough.


  27. 197
    Ned Kelly's missing head says:

    How does Silent Bob type zilch


  28. 218
    Pi$$ Organ says:

    Hmm… Oprah’s interview with cheat / drug dealer Armstrong got 3.2m viewers.

    Up there with Amish Mafia, and certainly way ahead of the pathetic Moron show.


  29. 219
    Bet365 says:

    It’s odds on that Tesco will sort out the burger issue.


  30. 222
    LNG Watch says:

    Suspected that the In Amenis plant would be razed:


    So EU, you are now being pushed more tightly into the bear hug of Gazprom.

    Watcha gonna do about than then suckers ?


    • 236
      Ed Millionaireband says:

      What’s wrong with the wind farms I introduced?


    • 237
      Taxfodder says:

      You have to laugh at the brass neck of David Cameron….

      He presumes to treat the Algerians like UK employees or UK taxpayers for that matter.

      Funny how its so important to protect UK subjects in Algeria yet quite happy to see them die in their thousands at home on crumbling UK roads with out improvement and/or safety other than get rich speed camera taxes. The number of fatalities on Britain’s roads increased to over 1,900 in 2011, with deaths of pedestrians and car occupants increasing by 12% and 6% respectively..

      In any case I suspect gas strategic Algeria will do just as she pleases, when and how she pleases without the permission of Dithering Dave and a gaggle of second rate blustering Tories.


      • 239
        (I don't need no doctor) says:

        You have just got to be John Mann MP, the most miserable human being in british politics.


      • 245
        EU Watch says:

        And in this spirit of EU Union which is clearly falling apart, isn’t it noticeable how raw national concerns are so quickly front and center of this ?

        French intervention the trigger, British and Irish nationals the main concern, how is Britain going to negotiate with Algeria, what is France doing about Mal! etc.

        The EU is written all over UN 2085, but the entity is not relevant to this job or capable of doing what is written down. The Algerian granting of access to it’s airspace to France should have been recognized as being a trap – perfectly plausible for covering this development which UK likely new would have been the result.

        France is the primary risk to stability in the Med.

        The EU is an unnecessary expense which is putting national security of nation states at significant risk.


      • 327
        Ex pat former higher rate tax payer says:

        Lets be perfectly frank about this shall we.

        If the Algerians had notified Dave in advance that they were going to attack when the Islamists were trying to drive across the desert with UK hostages Dave would immediately have despatched SAS and paratroopers from his aircraft carrier in the Med

        In this way the Islamists would have been apprehended and the Uk Hostages freed alive.

        If you believe all the crap I have just written you will no doubt believe that accountant Hammond when he says the deaths of these hostages is solely the fault of the Islamists themselves.


        • 366
          Taxfodder says:

          The fault lays with BP for not protecting its employees and the UK Government for not insisting they do so…

          In truth despite all the huff and puff the Algerians and the UK don’t have much in common with possibly the exception of not giving a toss about hostages whilst pretending otherwise…

          Follow the cash my friends this rule rarely lets you down!


  31. 224
    Ah! Monika 2013 +1 says:

    If you search ” saturday seven uo ” into this page’s search box the answer comes up in 3D. Clever


  32. 231
    • 238
      Conspiracy Watch says:

      No heated debate needed. The cadaver dogs nailed it.

      Speaking of tax, is curious that Stemcor execs were staying at the Ocean Club at exactly the same time, and got out pretty damned quick when the alarm was raised.

      Still stinks and look forward to the truth coming out as it will do eventually.


    • 248
      Medic says:

      Sedatives are so easy to control in adults.


    • 293
      sky news transcripts says:

      the jury at the trial of ian huntley were never shown any evidence that proved the two soham girls were deceased because the judge deemed the crime scene photographs too graphic, despite it being a fundamental part of murder charges that states the jury must be shown such evidence.


      detective constable brian stevens was originally charged with inciting others to make indecent images of children. who exactly was the person he incited?

      exhibits officer tony goodridge was originally charged with removing evidence from a crime scene… the crime scene in question being ian huntley’s house.

      later the charges against these to police officers were changed to possession of indecent images of children.

      on their website sky news provided daily transcripts of the court proceedings, however each transcript was proceeded with a message that stated they might remove parts of the transcripts on grounds of public decency. having read each and every transcript i can tell you the only thing they removed were partial sections concerning ian huntley’s use of the internet.

      it is very interesting that the mainstream media neglected to mention to the public that ian huntley was autistic or his behaviour on days when he was present at court. long gone was the man seen striding in front of the cameras during the search for the girls, instead it was replaced by a man who spent most of his court appearances dribbling and rocking from side to side. this change in demeanour is no doubt due to the fact he spent some time prior to the trial at rampton high security hospital.

      the press also made no mention of the fact that the father of holly wells, who worked as a window cleaner, spent a couple of weeks cleaning the windows of the school that ian huntley was a caretaker of. and yes you’ve guessed it, huntley assisted kevin wells in this task and most days both holly and jessica were also present.

      detective constable brian stevens whose official role in the case was that of family liaison officer, was additionally charged at a later date with indecently assaulting a 13 year old girl, which happened to be the same age of a older sister of one of the soham girls.

      brian stevens was eventually found not guilty of all charges and at the end of the trial appeared before the media decked at in a cheap looking suit- which is strange because anyone who has the misfortune of knowing or encountering him knows he a penchant for extremely expensive well cut three piece suits. (i say that with first hand experience of this scumbag).

      in summary… huntley was part of a online child pornography ring and engaged in sexual behaviour with the two soham girls. stevens was a member of the same online ring and got huntley to photograph/video this behaviour. stevens and other members of the ring then conspired to kidnap the girls and pervert the course of justice aka to get huntley to carry the can. it is highly likely that the girls remained captive sex slaves of this ring for several years.


      • 333
        paedo special forces says:

        generally speaking those of a masonic inclination like to play games and stretch the boundaries of what they can get away with. unfortunately for them they bit off more than they can chew (something far bigger than soham) and it is only a matter of time till their downfall. they thought the traditional royal link to freemasonry would save them… they were very very wrong.


      • 355
        Blowing Whistles says:

        And nooooo he wasn’t supplying GiBoys at a base near by with underage girls either?


  33. 233
    old SHEP says:

    *** Breaking News ***
    Champion Ascot horse is a chicken scandal.


  34. 250
    8illy Kebab says:

    So, good news about huhne/pryce


  35. 251
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    So is militwit going to be giving us a detailed speech soon on his reasons for staying in the EU? Well other than the fact that the EU has made his kinnochio mates very rich!!

    No? Thought not!


  36. 255
    • 294
      rebekah aka nellnewman says:

      What on earth is all the fuss about? try wild meat – rabbit, deer, hare, boar , wild duck, pheasant etc.

      Low in fat and very good for you.

      Just give over grumbling about things!


    • 319
      CarryHole is a Dismal Hunt says:

      Why not try and make then not make kids in the first place?

      Rather than make their fecklessness cost taxpayers (and thus harm the economy).


  37. 264
    Optimist says:

    The evenings are getting visibly lighter. Just thought I’d throw you a crumb of wisdom.


  38. 266
    I can't wait to emigrate. Great Britain is dying. says:

    I’m disappointed Guido hasn’t covered two major stories from the last week which are absolutely sickening and outrageous in nature.

    The first is the Muslim Patrols story, about the bunch of fucking bearded raghead c-unts wearing hoods and going around areas late at night in London and intimidating people they regard as being immoral. They uploaded a video where they went to a woman who was on her own late at night and called her an animal for wearing a skirt. In other footage they forced a man to throw away his bottle because he was in a “muslim area”. You’ll note these brave soldiers of the p*edo prophet wear hoods and only go up to people who are on their own late at night.

    The second was that Martin Smith of the Socialist Workers Party was acquited of rápe by the party in a private sharia style court. A female member of the party accused him of rápe. Instead of taking the matter to the police, she and the party decided to handle it themselves because they “can’t trust the bourgeois court system”. They took his side of the story, whilst admitting they’re all personal friends of his and don’t know the victim. Several members of the party have resigned as a result.

    The first story is the product of decades of left propaganda that told us to respect islam or else we were nazis. The second shows how the left really view women’s rights.

    Both = the left in all its nasty, ugly, horrific glory.


    • 274
      Missed Story Watch says:

      Agree it is curious that these were missed here, however caution should be paid.

      The Mu55ie patrol in London is interesting. They are actually projecting a set of moral principals onto people who they view as having abdicated all sense of moral responsibilities. The knee jerk reaction is that they are wrong to do this, however that is left training bypassing the fact that such opposition implies that a different set of moral values are being imposed on them. The real problem is a liberal one, in that they are reacting to the fact that amoral values are being imposed and flouted.

      Do not agree with their methods, but as a libertarian in principal one agrees with what they are fundamentally trying to do. Highlighting that is divisive as the left has muddied the debate too much with the race card.

      The Smith case should be dealt with by Police and CPS immediately, and all those involved in the ‘court’ should be prosecuted for various offences which have been committed. Would need to check but it must be illegal to set up an adhoc court such as that to deal with criminal matters.


    • 275
      I can't wait to emigrate. Great Britain is dying says:

      What’s wrong, leftie diddums? Did I offend your fascist muslim brothers?


    • 277
      I can't wait to emigrate. Great Britain is dying says:

      @Missed Story Watch, I agree completely on Smith/SWP. Completely disagree on the muslims. This is Britain, we have the right to drink and women have the right to dress how they want. These rabid thugs are trying to impose the strictures of their perverted ideology in a country where they have no business doing such a thing. Can you imagine the reaction if an English group was found to have patrolled areas telling muslim women to take off their burka and forcing muslim men to drink beer? Yet, these same leftie c-unts remain deafeningly silent on this because it’s muslims. This is the very nightmare we’ve been warning about for years. It started with halal meat in supermarkets, then halal served at fast food outlets, now they’re trying to control what the indigenous population do. If there’s one good thing to come out of it, it’s that hatred against muslims will quadruple as a result. These stinking, bearded, halitosis ridden perverts are too thick to realise they’re their own worst enemy.


      • 296
        Missed Story Watch says:

        Get where you are coming from with the Mu55ie groups, but the picture has to be looked at from two sides. Incidentally, I do not support the policy which led to their large presence here in the first place, what we are seeing now is an unintended consequence of that action.

        The Halal meat issue is in our favor: The standards for Halal are much higher than usual fair, and other than the odd sounding name and cutting out pork, should not be an issue. (The uTube vids of pork chops with coke put me off to be fair and confirmed that those who reject are on to something…)

        Their approach to imposing their moral value system cannot be supported. That they are making the effort though can be, and is important.

        The real reaction should be to restore the understanding of moral consequence of action in the indigenous population. This would cut the argument from the Mu55ie side, and give us the moral strength to have them adapt to our culture and stop attacking our culture on these grounds.

        The issue of women is deeply complex. They are actually the largest victim group in the liberal war that has been fought in the UK. Yes they should wear what they want, and have freedom, but they should also display self respect and a sense of decorum when out and about. Modern feminism is does great disservice in this respect.

        Actions have consequence, and all must take responsibility for their own actions. A reaction against the religion or along xenophobic lines will fail if the desire is to correct this problem and have the enemy conform to our standards.


        • 300
          Machiavelli says:

          One could almost consider the liberal destruction of moral responsibility, hence culture as being a subversive way of trying to merge disparate cultures in a cultural union of sorts.

          The flaw of course is how do you integrate cultures which have no sense of moral responsibility. They will likely turn on each other at the earliest opportunity.

          However, the lack of responsibility would provide the elites with a case to use against the population as to why they cannot be independent, and have to join the collectivist mass.


    • 281
      Can't use me old moniker says:

      You are right @314 I was expecting guido to jump on these stories. I may well be wrong but do detect a slight change in this site over the years, possibly since the beginning of the daily star times. And while 326 has a valid point it still doesn’t lessen the fact that the first of these stories, at least, should be of national importance.


  39. 267
    Owen Jones"The Cheekie Chappie" says:

    If you stain your clothes whilst eating, don’t panic. Get two bottles of white wine.

    Drink them quickly and you won’t give a fuck.


  40. 283
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    Interesting isn’t it how huhne has gagged the press.

    Anybody any ideas on his views on leveson? ++++laugh++++

    You wouldn’t want this man anywhere near the levers of power!!


    • 287

      If I had not taken that funny silver hat off a few minutes ago, I would be imagining him being set up with a new identity, passport and bank accounts.

      But, hold on, I don’t want to start anything off here. :-)


      • 292
        rebekah aka nellnewman says:

        Regardless of the outcome of this case huhne is going to be remembered for gagging the press.

        Not exactly the actions of a decent, hardworking, TRANSPARENT politician eh?

        But then the libdems are finished anyway so what the hell?!!


        • 295

          Oh, he is transparent all right!

          We can all see right through him…


          • Can't use me old moniker says:

            If you have done nothing wrong, then you have nothing to hide. Isn’t that right Mr. Hunenish?


          • rebekah aka nellnewman says:

            Well exactly ‘can’t use me old old moniker’ !!

            Big question for us watchers is ‘ what is it that he doesn’t want us to know’??

            And it has to be bad otherwise he would want it all out in the open.

            The stench is overpowering!!


          • My dear Count,

            So recherché is your expression that even the illustrious Urban Dic has not yet provided an entry… I will have my storeman go straight down to the dungeon and have a search in the Oxford English Dictionaries for the last six decades whilst he is retrieving another bottle of Nuits St Georges Premier Cru 1966.

            Meanwhile, Sir, I have the pleasure to remain your most humble and obedient servant,



          • Christ, you are a twat of the highest order


          • Dr Mengele says:

            How do you know its him and not a fake?


  41. 291

    Sir Victor Blank was knighted in 1999 ‘for services to the financial industry’ I would like to make it clear I have never heard of Gordon Brown, Sir Victor or Sir Fred Goodwin



    • 339
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Don’t ask Lord Jim Knight former Labour Minister about anything to do with Fraud and Lloyds bank in Swanageshire – he didn’t do anything about it [it could be on record mind] and it just might come back to haunt him very soon.


      • 340
        Blowing Whistles says:

        And then there’s Lord Ahmed mentioned in the D Mail today – he of having his banking links and criminal conviction quashed … what Ho! them all in it together old boys?


  42. 297
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    Great article in History Today this month about how Churchill, Lincoln, Nightingale and Darwin used their problems with depressive illness to achieve great things.

    What a pity a certain recent PM couldn’t do the same!


  43. 299
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    Great article in His tory Tod ay this month about how Chur chill, Linc oln, Nighting ale and Dar win used their problems with dep res sive illne ss to achieve great things.

    What a pity a certain recent PM couldn’t do the same!


    • 304
      Gordon says:

      But I did achieve great things. I managed to get rid of all that gold just after the price strangely dropped: I got out in time. And I signed some treaty in the kitchen in Brussels. Or was that Washington?


      • 308
        Satan says:

        You did well my son.


        • 320
          m'Lard Prezza of Hull and Damnation says:

          Wait a mo!!! he only done what he done coz I waz wiv him giving support and contradictions we orl woz the twat campballs woz to so i wouldn’t think he done it orl by himself and you wanna watch it mate anyway WHEN IS TEA? i’m bleeding hungry wtaching all this snow and stuff when i was on a boat we had snow up ter hear!!! phwooar look at that walking by!!!! i’d like to upwrap her furry layers!!!! phwooarrr!!!


        • 321
          Can't use me old moniker says:

          The left have a history of Satanism.

          In the heraldry days of old: Dexter” (Latin for “right”) means to the right from the viewpoint of the bearer of the arms, to the left of that of the viewer. “Sinister” (Latin for “left”) means to the left from the viewpoint of the bearer, to the right of that of the viewer. The dexter side is considered the side of greatest honour.


      • 309

        You also left the Nation the largest government since World War II and the hugest influx of immigrants since time began. Well done !!


  44. 302
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    So where does huhne think, when he becomes leader of the libdems that he is going to take them?

    Maybe he should join the scie ntolo gists and take them off to another planet!


  45. 305

    Breaking news Avalanche in Jockland Three more dopey twats injured / need rescuing
    What sort of fuckin idiot goes climbing on mountains covered in soft snow
    Make them pay for it !


  46. 306
    Bigoted Woman says:

    When are the Bulgarians flocking to this Country ?


    • 316
      BBC news says:

      We only expect seven or eight, and they will be doctors and scientists.

      And now a story about a penguin who couldn’t get it up because of the cuts.


      • 329
        Joss Ayinglike says:

        Well, maybe one or two more than that. Possibly.


        • 351
          Diversity aint just for the plebs says:

          House them next to the politicians, academics and media folk who think importing them will be no problem.

          Hey Dimblebore, that means a few dozen Roma families in your nice little Sussex villiage, about time you had some real diversity. Who do you think you are? Billy Bragg?


  47. 317
    I am not answerable to meddling Edinburgh dogshite says:

    What a long week it has been. Another week gone.


  48. 322
    Ah! Monika 2013 +1 says:

    Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes
    Happy to report @ChrisHuhne will be in Court next week. Can’t report any more than that without being in contempt of court. N.B. I’m happy.


  49. 323
    English Person says:

    At the risk of provoking that welsh fellow out of his cave, I felt I had to put this up since it’s Sunday tomorrow. Looks corny, but it’s very well done and of course the script is brilliant:


  50. 337
  51. 338
    UK Watch says:

    And who is eating the Swans:


  52. 356
    Blowing Whistles says:

    As a member of the public in the UK – would Mr O (over the pond) kindly keep his nose out of our business – you don’t come under the 5hit that EU politicos feed us – if you did you’d soon change yer mind sonny boy.

    Special Relation – up yer butt ship – TARANTINO-STYLE.

    You’re not our Master so sling yer hook.


  53. 359

    Now that we have a new page, I would just like to thank all those sockpuppets who have tried and, I hope failed, to imitate me.

    I do appreciate TaT that it is the sincerest form of flattery…


  54. 363
    Guest house visitor says:

    ha ha. So see though.

    Push it to find out, and yes, I have found it out.

    Another hypocritical site.

    Dozens of posts from me eliminated today, since I make tory se english look stupid. What is new, ey?

    Pathetic. Toys in pram it is, and you have made you look like right arses.

    Thank god i take a capture each hour on blog threads I post on. Got stacks when I was on New Statesman, when they didn’t want to hear non London living bubble stuff, too.


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You know where the animals are looking through the Farmhouse window?

My TV screen was that window at lunch-time today.

Be careful, the sudden self-congratulatory tone, the slightly pudgy outline of indulgence and you become exactly what you should despise.

The jolly face of the Quisling Cameron poses for your camera has mesmerised and deceived you, you who were once not so deceived.

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