January 5th, 2013

Leveson Effect: Can You See What It Is Yet?

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Over the last few weeks the police Operation Yewtree has questioned a number of celebrities over allegations of sex crimes. Each time the papers have known the names of those arrested or questioned, each time the first the public knew about it was when this blog broke the story.

We scooped the press on the arrests of Max Clifford and Jim Davidson. Today we can report that Rolf Harris has also been questioned under caution by police from Operation Yewtree. This has been an open secret in media circles for weeks, journalists and newspaper editors alike have known about the story – yet none has published the news. Why?

No judge has ordered reporting restrictions in relation to Rolf Harris, no super-injunctions prevent the reporting of news concerning him, instead his lawyers Harbottle and Lewis are citing the Leveson Inquiry’s report in letters to editors of newspapers – cowing them into silence. The Leveson effect is real and curtailing the freedom of the press through fear.

In the case of Max Clifford a popular media commentator was our source, with Jim Davidson an ex-copper tipped us off and a local journalist gave us confirmation. This blog is nimble and prepared to take risks, so we are beating all the other news organisations who post-Leveson prefer to await for official police confirmation. This blog is in the news business, we want to beat the competition, we want to be first, we’re proud of breaking stories. We want our readers to be the first to know what is going on.

When the Leveson Inquiry began Guido upset the judge by publishing Alistair Campbell’s evidence before he gave it. Leveson responded by placing a restriction order on this blog. Neatly illustrating by example that the Leveson Inquiry could bring in an era of judicial censorship. It is more subtle than that currently, the chilling effect is that editors fear the prospect of a law rather than any actual new law.

This blog likes being the first to report the news, we would also like to win in a fair fight. The press has its hands tied. A free press ensures that the police do not go about their business in secret. A secret police is a dangerous thing, reporting the arrest of suspects is an important safeguard in a free society – for them and us. We are in danger of losing that safeguard.

See also: Post Leveson British Press Won’t Publish Naked Harry Pictures


553 Comments

  1. 1
    Kebab Time says:

    And those naughty politicians are also jumping on the bandwagon.

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    • 33
      Andy Burnham says:

      Who me?

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      • 115
        Gilbert Fiddler says:

        I’ll get a real job one day, I’ve been paid by the public for so long, aren’t I clever!

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          David Laws Lib Dem Fiddler says:

          “All nations have a cross to bear, and none more so than Germany with its memories of Nazism. But the British cross is more insidious still. A misplaced sense of superiority, sustained by delusions of grandeur and a tenacious obsession with the last war, is much harder to shake off. I wish Mr Puhle and Mr Sawartzki well. We need to be put back in our place.” Clegg MEP Guardian Nov 2002.

          Clegg is out to change the culture in the UK: Cable’s war on Murdoch to prevent a free press, AV, Lords reform, throne reform, mass immigration, gay marriage, more EU. He is fanatic that needs to be voted out of office ASAP.

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          • N Clegg says:

            Suck it up, losers, we are enriching england with so many europeans that we will successfully ethnically cleanse the english before too long. We will all be gloriously european, just like me.

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          • Nick Clegg should be boiled alive says:

            Clegg is a total arse – seems to have forgotten about WWI.

            Germany. Two fucking world wars in the space of 24 years. Roughly speaking, about 80 million dead. If it wasn’t for the fact we (and France and Russia) can nuke Germany in 30 seconds flat if they kick up their usual shit, Germany would be kicking up their usual shit.

            Being a murderous c*nt is in a German’s DNA.

            “Oh, but it’s my beloved EU that keeps the peace,” whines Clegg. Bollocks. It’s our nukes.

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          • Ban All Bran - it is an offense to toilet pans says:

            Yep agreed – it is nukes that have prevented another european war, rather than the EU.

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          • Handycock Immigrant Trafficker says:

            Immigration is good for the country, it makes me and my boys very rich. David Laws is correct above that to place our trust is Germany is dangerous, the answer is obvious we should trust our magnificent ally in WW2, Russia. Boaz.

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          • Arse bandit of old England says:

            I can seek the ukip/Tory butters on this site a mile off… Stupid remarks about “Englishness” are a dead give away! The English race does not exist it never has and is a romantic fiction. These islands have been invaded and or colonised from the start of human history and its inhabitants have always been made up of diverse blood lines and cultures. Like Maggie said “if you back far enough we are all foreigners” . Yes Clegg is a self absorbed git but to think that he is anything but a footnote in the history of these islands is rubbish.

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          • Jagbulon says:

            Police malpractice was already massively under-reported because of the Police Federation’s aggressive use of the libel system putting editors off. Not to mention masonic omerta.
            Leveson was uncritical of the police in his report, which is completely at odds with known reality. Presumably this is just more omerta.
            And the current fear of editors is just further omerta.

            The massive enthusiasm for the police to prosecute for tweeting seems to be yet more omerta. They presumably don’t like it when the truth gets out. As with Orgreave and Hillsborough, where the brother were able to sustain omerta for a very long time.

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          • frenchnews1online says:

            But ’twas Cameron who panicked and appointed L-v-s-n and sanctioned a pernicious, dangerous and illiberal inquiry. The L-report should be ceremoniously and publicly burned in Parliament Square and its recommendations ignored.

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          • Anonymous says:

            The Taylor Report into Hillsborough exonerated the Liverpool supporters in 1991. The Liverpool supporters chose to pretend it hadn’t and perpetuated the myth that they had been blamed because the Taylor Report did not blame Fatcha, who they, incredibly, thought somehow responsible. (Check out the Liverpool supporters banner at the 2012 FA Cup Final, where they also roundly booed the National Anthem)

            The new independent enquiry – which was anything but independent as most of the members of the enquiry were in someway connected to the city of Liverpool – came to virtually the same conclusion as Taylor, including not blaming Fatcha. The Liverpool supporters, presumably realizing they were never going to pin the disaster on Fatcha, decided to portray the new report as having completely overturned the Taylor Reports findings. The media, being unhappy with the police posted Leveson, also decided to portray two very similar Reports into the tragedy as polar opposites.

            If Hillsborough was a police cover-up it was the least successful cover-up in history as Taylor rumbled them 22 years ago.

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          • alanbstardmp says:

            there are nations who have a bigger cross to bear, namely the Nations of the former Soviet Union and Japan and China

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    • 109
      Two Little Boys. says:

      Well done Guido.

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    • 116
      Fuck the LibLabCon says:

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    • 146
      Will Rees says:

      Where exactly are you going to be sued for liable?
      As you would be in the UK for publishing the names of people only being interviewed (granted some were later charged). In a world where google will keep what is reported in the press googleable for evermore a move towards letting peoples lives be forever tainted by reporting the police wanted a chat is a dangerous development. At least wait until CPS reckon there is a case to answer (innocent til 12 piers seems unrealistic in a modern era) but having the likes of you setting the agenda is a recipe for disaaster.

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    • 291
      A Newspaper Editor says:

      Before I could publish a story about Rolf Harris, I had to consult my Wobble Board (as we call the suits).

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      • 396
        Pundit too too says:

        This news was in the Australian newspapers some weeks ago but without naming him. They said a famous Australian entertainer living in England.
        Inspector Clueless could even get it.

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    • 335
      Arthur Foxache says:

      Journalist Angela Epstein has four children and a family income of more than £100,000.

      She says she feels entitled to benefit, despite an income well over the new threshold

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      • 479
        Really? says:

        Epstein.

        That’s all you need to know.

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      • 512
        Jagbulon says:

        Entitlement, that is the problem.
        People with a bad back think they are entitled to compensation for their ailment. Just amazing.

        Beveridge never intended this. One of his three guiding principles was that the state “should not stifle incentive, opportunity, responsibility; in establishing a national minimum, it should leave room and encouragement for voluntary action by each individual to provide more than that minimum for himself and his family”.

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      Ban All Bran - it is an offense to toilet pans says:

      Suppose it is best to have a few links handy to back up what you are saying these days. If only to just be well down the list if they decide to come knocking doors, at 6am in the morning.

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  2. 2
    Anonymous says:

    Shitcakes

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  3. 3
    Anonymous says:

    You’re a paranoid loon Guido

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  4. 4
    Lord Stansted says:

    Rolf Harris? Now he’s certainly odd.

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    goggzilla says:

    Taking the word of an ex copper is foolish at best, but in Davidson’s case who cares about yet another racist? With Rolf it is different, he is accused of pinching a 20 yr old womans backside, one dare says he “subconsciously phallocentrically oppressed her” too.

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    • 133
      Sir Les Paterson says:

      Yeah, but did he fuck ‘er while he was at it?

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    • 152
      JH46568768 says:

      Yeah, because being racist is simply the worst possible character attribute ever.

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      • 180
        goggzilla says:

        Plod are racist, Davidson is racist, hope all his time being nice to police pays off and he isn’t sharing a cell with Hamid from Somalia and Wesley from Jamaica;)

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        • 228
          Blowing Whistles says:

          This country’s whole judicial system is on trial next week – what with all the side/issues/shows/injunctions/abuseofprocessapplications – on a simple point of that a certain Mr Christopher Hunhe and his former wife Ms Price – are guilty of ‘perverting the course of justice’ …

          It couldn’t be clearer that there has been more than enough rope given to Hunhe what with all his legal attempts to railroad the case. How many bites of the cherry is he to be ‘allowed’ … while ordinary members of the public are banged up in good time – when such criminality ‘comes to light’?

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        • 229
          Pickled Wizard says:

          Unlikely – the CP old bill wont touch the latter for fear of being branded racist, and risking the knighthood of Bernerd Hyphen-humpboys

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      • 284
        Anonymous says:

        Wacism is only for whites, for all others its protecting their cultures. Anyway the biggest “wacists” are those dual nationality mp’s who let in other “waces” en masse, encouraged them to misbehave while silencing any indegenous opposition, then waited for it all to implode, egged on by a media that initially supported immigration and shot down anyone who dared question it, then all of a sudden did a u turn. It used to be called the hegelian dialect, prob/em/reaction/solution.

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    • 212
      fitzfitz says:

      … “” visual rape “” is endemic …

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    • 238
      Anonymous says:

      Whether or not a racist – is his right of justice less than yours or mine. As far as I understand two women who WERE in their twenties at the time have accused him of something. Surely rape would’t wait for the Jimmy Savile exposure. I have a feeling that barrel scraping is the order of the day.

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    • 267
      Anonymous says:

      Please don’t smear someone as racist just because you don’t like him.

      There is not an iota of evidence that his humour is remotely racist, not all all.

      His comedy, while shocking, is more engaged, ‘edgy’ and life-enhancing than safe liberal chunderings from an supposdly ‘alternative’ stand-up about George Bush, menstruation and Noel Edmonds. Jim Davidson is a true alternative comedian.

      You might not see his comedy appear in Open University joke surveys or the next interminable ‘top 100′ compilation on Channel 4, but he is very good at what he does.

      Over the years TV execs have turned on working class comedians in favour of young middle-class tossers like Ben Elton, they treated Benny Hill appallingly. A lot of good blue collar comedians have been robbed of a TV career in favour of stuck-up uptight twerps telling us who and what we are allowed to laugh at. Give me Bernard Manning over Sue Perkins any day

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      • 278
        goggzilla says:

        Quick! Quick! “On the buses” is on followed by “Love Thy Neighbour” and “Mind your language” loads of funny foreign folks, Paddies too!!

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          Anti-PC says:

          During Christmas 2006, Objective Productions made a documentary for C4 where they tested Benny Hill’s humour on a young British audience. To nobody’s surprise (and yours) but theirs he went down a treat!

          I remember the fun to be had watching the backlash against Ben Elton on the stand-up scene. Mark Steel put him in Room 101. Stewart Lee reckoned he was more despised than Bin Laden who “at least lived his life according to a consistent set of ethical principles.”

          Toby Young put it best: “started out as an alternative comedian railing against Thatcherism and now earns a fortune writing librettos for truly awful West End musicals. His name has become a by-word for shameless hackery. He’s the biggest sell-out of his generation.”

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        • 306
          Anti-PC says:

          Yeeeeeah! Like David Walliams and Matt Lucas portraying elderly women as puking, incontinent grotesques?

          Or Mitchell and Webb’s comedy sketches, that involve punching and killing women, all broadcast without a voice raised in protest from the PC brigade?

          Or those middle-class Oxbridge tossers, the Monty Pythons, wheeling on Carol Cleveland in stockings and suspenders for no other reason than as a fetching piece of eye-candy.

          Why don’t you take your smug political correctness and shove it your arse?

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        • 389
          Anonymous says:

          You may think you are smart being patronising, but it was very different 25 years ago in lots of ways, including comedy.There are lot of “comedians ” today who leave a lot to be desired but they think they are “pushing boundaries “or “being edgey”strange isnt it ?

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        • 411
          Ban All Bran - it is an offense to toilet pans says:

          Can’t beat a bit of Alf Garnett – he really did push the envelope, for even then.

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          • The British Public says:

            Though the lefties (and the script writer) missed the point that most of us were laughing WITH Alf Garnett rather than AT him.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Further, I have hated the French since the day I was born. I still do and I am proud to talk about it (remember I hate the French less than they hate me). I have never been called racist for this, ever. The cry of Racist is a government invention to shut DOWN any complaints about incoming brown people (which I dont like either – go to Moseley and check it out). If you think I am racist, at least I am not being fed the required verbal pills from the government. You say racist – they have won with their mass indoctrination.

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      Anti-PC says:

      Don’t smear someone as racist just cos you don’t like him. There is not an iota of evidence that his humour is remotely racist, not all all. His comedy, while shocking, is more engaged, ‘edgy’ and life-enhancing than the chunderings of supposdly ‘alternative’ stand-ups about George Bush, menstruation and Noel Edmonds. Jim Davidson is a true alternative comedian.

      You might not see his comedy appear in Open University joke surveys or the next interminable ‘top 100′ compilation on Channel 4, but he is very good at what he does.

      TV execs turned on working class comedians in favour of young middle-class tossers like Ben Elton, they treated Benny Hill appallingly. A lot of good blue collar comedians have been robbed of a TV career in favour of stuck-up uptight twats telling us who and what we are allowed to laugh at. Give me Bernard Manning over Sue Perkins any day

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        Ban All Bran - it is an offense to toilet pans says:

        Loved Benny Hill. And love the stuff Frankie Boyle and that fat fella Gervais does these days. Can’t get enough of it.

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      • 413
        Ban All Bran - it is an offense to toilet pans says:

        And yes, the great Bernard Manning – agreed.

        PC is a form of public control, these days, I think. Mind control, and nothing to do with good olde fashioned british healthy comedy.

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      • 474
        WVM says:

        Well said.

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    • 414
      Jim Davidson says:

      So Guido Fawkes, Eric Pickles, John Prescott, Tom Watson and Diane Abbott get into a lift, yeah?

      Nobody else could squeeze in! And the car didn’t move! And they had to take it out of service from the stench of the curry and booze on all their breaths!

      Tick the boxes– I got a Fenian with a squint-eye and streaked hair, a four-eyed baldy Northern transplant who’s gonna need a heart transplant, a mush-mouthed randy old compulsive eater Kingstonian, a narcissistic drama queen Buddy-Holly-wannabe Brummy, and a narcoleptic compulsive Tweeter Caribbean woman from Hackney, and not a one of ‘em under a fifty-inch waist!

      I’m an equal-opportunity offence-giver, what can I say?

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    Anonymous says:

    Something is needed to control the press. If politicians won’t be brave enough to do it then hopefully the threat of it will have a similar effect.

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      Lord Stansted says:

      “Something is needed to control the press”

      Why?

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      • 34
        who why what where when says:

        Only fascists and those with something to hide want to control the press.

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        • 67
          Boudicca says:

          Hitler and Stalin controlled the press.
          China, North Korea Russia and Iran censor the press and kill journalists.

          Shame on those who believe they have the right to decide what I or my kids can read.

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          • Brian the Bald-headed hasbeen says:

            I have your number honey.

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          • Pickled Wizard says:

            Remember, Bliar also cotrolled our reading matter – 100 year shut up on Dunblane report. What could he and his cohorts possibly have to hide……..?

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        • 75
          Anonymous says:

          Are those with nothing to hide be willing to be arrested for walking naked down their local high street?

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          • Anonymous says:

            “If you’ve nothing to hide then you’ve nothing to fear”..wasn’t that yet another of Miranda Charles Lyntons’s quotes?

            Mind you it could have come from 1984 or any other Totalitarian nightmare, does anybody normal really believe this kind of nonsense?, well apart from the commissars at the top or those lowlifes in their paid employ to sway public opinion.

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        • 139
          Anonymous says:

          I have nothing to hide and much to tell. Yet I do not want press intrusion in my life at present. All organizations need outside control. The problem is that the normal means to control them, the justice system, is unfit for the purpose. It is not available to the innocent. It should be this fear that stops the intrusive unnecessary stories into peoples lives.

          The press has been given no powers to punish yet they destroy people lives. It is not in anyone interest, except entertainment and profit. Yet the stories that are in peoples interest like the causes of death and injury are ignored by the press. Why because they know that they are not safe if those stories get out.

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        • 236
          Blowing Whistles says:

          Do excuse my shouting but – WHAT THE FUCK DOES ALL OF THIS – adequately say about the SO CALLED FUCKING ‘FREE PRESS’?

          a bunch of effing toadying, kow-towing duplicitous liars.

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      • 58
        Kcud akcuf says:

        McAlpine?

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      • 172
        Anonymous says:

        Because the press is out of control. It ruins people’s lives and therefore there should be some limits on it. Wen politicians did wrong everyone said something had to be done. When the banks did wrong everyone said something had to be done. In fact in every area of life this would happen except here. Is the press really that important? No it isn’t. We’re constantly being told the press is declining in importance yet also being told the press is the most important area of society. These 2 things can’t both be true. Get proper, independent statutory regulation. Shut down the Spectator and other publciations that won’t join.

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        • 190
          Ex-Voter says:

          No No No. It is not something you join and have unelected people running.

          Press should be controlled by the courts. Thieves do not join clubs and discuss which items in the neighbourhood can be stolen without people being hurt.

          All we need is a Judicial system that works. We do not want individual failed lawyers, trained on long careers to only see profit, to sit alone and allow the press, or the other large bodies, to destroy peoples lives. The corruption in the judicial system is beyond belief. Judges with interest in big business taking on cases and abusing their position to silence the innocent. None of them are interested in justice, it is just a game to finance they way of life. Sounds too familiar in this corrupt age.

          The press/blogs are a way to highlight issues just like pamphlets were in times gone by. But they only exist as evidence of the lack of true police/Judicial system.

          When a system fails an individual it makes an enemy. When enemies of a corrupt system gather they make …

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          • Anonymous says:

            Nonsense. The system you describe seems to be the system we have no…which failed. All this talk of Hitler and Stalin is stupid. All that is needed are a few sensible rules that are enforced by law because not everything that the press do is currently illegal so the existing courts systems is NOT enough. Self regulation is no regluation and a press with no regulation is one that will be corrupt. That doesn’t suit anyone.

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          • who why what where when says:

            Talk of Hitler and Stalin is not stupid-it’s key to the argument.As well you know.
            Whether newspapers are registered and regulated by a fascist dictator or a bunch of unelected members of a quango it amounts to exactly the same thing.
            Attempting to control the free flow of news information and dictating what the British public is allowed to read.
            That is completely unacceptable in our democracy.

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          • Anonymous says:

            First fix the system we have before inventing new ways to pay unelected power crazy idiots to do nothing.

            By just cutting out the actual illegal activities the press would be just acceptable. Not perfect, not likeable, but just acceptable.

            We should wish for no more than the minimum.

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          • Anonymous says:

            If this talk of Hitler and Stalin is key to the argument, then you have no argument. No one is suggesting doing what they did. That is a world away from what needs to happen in the UK to protect the public from powerful people with big voices and no workable constraints on them. What Hitler and Stalin did is only ever a compliant government majority away and the system we have now wouldn’t protect us from it. People who talk of this doomsday scenario are very paranoid or more likely, in the press. The one thing that is certain that the press, as they are currently trying to do, should not be the ones to decide on what restrictions they should work under.

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          Blowing Whistles says:

          We don’t need independent statutory regulation – regulation means Sweet FA – we need the laws to be enforced lawfully and anyone who is caught having committed a criminal act to be dealt with lawfully – not by smoke ‘n mirrors justice with duplicity carried out by the administrative side of the law in the off the record knowledge of the bloody wigs on an ‘off the record basis’.

          Don’t tell me that the wigs are not part of the smoke ‘n mirrors of deceptions like the shenanigans going on over Hunhe. FFS – it has become so blatant and in yer face even the free press daren’t mention it – ‘cos they’re as a trade body 5hit scared to call the shot on a completely bent & corrupted judiciary.

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        • 297
          Anonymous says:

          It a funny old world, at one time the Facsists and Communists were the media boogeyman, we were taught to compare all forms of oppression to that which had happend in the earlier part of the 20th century. But recently I have noticed that certain quarters are dismissing anyone relating oppression to Fascism or Communism, I wonder why? is it because we are now living under a form of totalitarianism, albeit a soft dictatorship (at present). Perhaps it a bit too close to home for our masters.

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          • Blowing Whistles says:

            It doesn’t take too much to just look a bit deeper under what is on the surface about them Fascists and Communists and to logically and ‘calmly’ work out that them was both ‘created’ to forment division for the financial benefit of their ultimate string-pullers. It has been an ingeneous and profitable ruse – BUT IT IS COMING TO ITS END.

            ROPE anybody.

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      • 530
        Keith Nazty says:

        I’m your,oleaginous man to do that, I’ll be there watching you watching me on BBC news. I would rub my hands together but they keep slipping off.

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    • 91
      Maqboul says:

      We’ve got laws to control any criminal acts by members of the press. That’s enough.

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        Anonymous says:

        But not a Judicial system that is available to the innocent individual to carry out the laws. The court systems aim was to raise the barrier to court action, when it should have been to limit the cost of a first hearing when an individual is attacked by a large body. Just because they only want nice juicy cases they should not try to avoid justice for those that are attacked by a goliath. The same rules can not apply for equal against equal, as for an individual against a large company. The implications of a loss to an individual can never equal the implications to a large body. Since we all have to run the lottery of getting a corruptor incompetent Judge there has to be a safeguard.

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        • 246
          Blowing Whistles says:

          And don’t tell me that many a judge hasn’t turned a blind convenient eye to an obviously lying copper giving false evidence in court. The lies by so many coppers getting innocents banged up to protect brotherly interests are legion.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Why do the papers do not report these obvious failures?

            Because they are motivated by money not justice. There is no advantage to them being on the side of truth. They just want a story that will do them no harm.

            Why report the dishonesty of a police officer when tomorrow the editors will be paying the same type of officers for information?

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    • 113
      Be careful what you wish for. says:

      If that’s what you want Anonymong then North Korea is the place for you. Or failing that join Labour, they don’t tolerate free speech either.

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      • 214
        Anonymous says:

        All for free speech but not abuse of power and position

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        • 249
          Blowing Whistles says:

          + 10’s of 1000’s of innocents fitted up and thieved from in criminal & civil courts.

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        • 270
          Henry 2nd says:

          Anonymouse, you obviously are the spokesperson for Speaker Bercow. How can you advocate restriction of the press by legal means? You must be a person of little wisdom. Surely the press need to be controlled, but by every other means apart from legislation. You only need to look at the judgements handed down by the f**k**t judiciary in respect of human rights legislation to see what an almighty balls-up they would make of cases concerning actions against the press. We have enough law in this country already to control the actions of the press; we just need to enforce it in a more effective way rather than introduce new laws which will erode our democracy. Idiots like you have dragged this country down to the state it is in now

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          • Joe McCarthy says:

            We need a witch hunt of the press and of the arts generally. We cannot have these rats from the gutter papers ferreting out our misdoings.(mixed metaphors, sorry) We need to flush them out and nail them to the cross of righteousness (as defined by us).

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        • 528
          golli says:

          Support freedom of speech fundamentalists – no ifs and no buts.

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    • 182
      inside- out says:

      You mean like Robert Mugabe,that country has secret police as well!

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      • 232
        do me a favour says:

        You’re conveniently forgetting how the British press revealed the thalidomide scandal, false WMD claims,MP’s expenses and regularly exposes widespread corruption, fraud and paedophiles.
        Hacked Off have cynically used the names of dead children to push it’s political agenda- aiming to tear up centuries of proud journalistic tradition,stifle legitimate debate and censor our free press.
        No one has the right to decide what I can read.

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      • 251
        Blowing Whistles says:

        The BBC’s Inside Out is a load of old cobblers and protects the dirty boys.

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    tourmaline says:

    Absolutely right Guido . But the truth is that blogs and the internet are taking over from the dead tree press. And leveson cannot legislate to protect our unworthy elite on the web as well as he can in the broadsheets. This is a good thing and will ensure that whatever leveson does – he’s going to fail!

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    • 18
      Winston Smith says:

      I agree Tourmaline – however this is why the powers that be are trying to pass laws to heavily restrict freedom of speech on the internet. And if that happens, we are all well and truly bu**ered.

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      • 25
        tourmaline says:

        I think in the case of blogs like Guido’s where the servers are based in different countries controlling what is said is thankfully more difficult, if not impossible.

        No doubt if I’m wrong in that assumption someone on here will put me right.

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        • 42
          The British Public says:

          Well, Mr Fawkes does mention a ‘restriction order’ placed on him at one point. What on earth’s that?

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        • 69
          Winston Smith says:

          Well, I was talking more about global restrictions on the web that leaders like Barry Obalmy want brought in under the SOPA and PIPA bills.

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          • Anonymous says:

            ….compassion, fairness and peaceful co.existence matter.
            ….are the rest enablers?
            those who govern us ( who gave them the authority?) do what they want. A free press could help…they do kinda edit themselves when it comes to truth about power though, the closer one gets to the elite, the more one tends to become them.

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          • Brian the Bald-headed hasbeen says:

            Bryant is pants.

            He’ll never further his political career. Every mention of his name, or of his piously priggish pronouncements, merely reminds us of the infamous picture of himself in his undies, attempting to find a mate on a gay dating site.

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    Leslie Grantham says:

    What about me? I never seem to get a mention except on twitter. Have I got a super injunction out or is rolls laywrr going to send me a big bill too?

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  9. 11
    Mr Gruntfuttock says:

    2013 is the first year not to contain a repeated digit since 1987.

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  10. 12
    Anonymous says:

    The press need to be controlled. If politicians aren’t brave enough to do it, hopefully the threat will have a similar effect.

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  11. 13
    Winston Smith says:

    I commend you for your stance Guido – keep up the good work!

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    • 153
      Anonymous says:

      do we believe in innocent until proven…
      do we believe in no smoke without …
      “all the world is a stage” and the press are as much players as the rest of us.

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      • 258
        Blowing Whistles says:

        The press have become just another firewall and tier of the state; to keep us from true and natural justice.

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        • 392
          Anonymous says:

          the idea of natural justice is very interesting.
          I kind of think that we are on earth to learn a lesson …of forgiving others, releasing them and letting them go. sometimes we need to forgive ourselves too.

          This may apply if we wish to release ourselves from karmic ties. I wonder whether that is true freedom.
          can we know unless we try it.

          in any case, all the best.

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    • 339
      Son of Rupert says:

      But just in case, choose your Embassy carefully, Guido.

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  12. 14
    HMMM says:

    Obvious from the start of Leveson that it was just a show trial intended to protect Media luvvies dirty laundry from seeing the light of day.

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  13. 15
    Anonymous says:

    Rolf Harris, didnt he do “two little boys” in the 60’s?

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  14. 16
    Dougel says:

    Come on Guido, be reasonable, don’t you know it’s undemocratic to have media that express non-socialist views?

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    • 49
      Shami Chakrabarti says:

      I believe in Liberty for all.
      Providing they share my political views.

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      • 147
        Principled Hattie Dromey says:

        Tell me what they are Shami and I can change mine to suit at the drop of a hat.

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      • 259
        Winston Smith says:

        I wonder what she would do if confronted by armed intruders in her house?
        a.) Tell intruders to take anything they wish as it would be against their human rights for her to stop them.
        b.) Inquire whether they would also like tea and biscuits.
        c.) Discuss their obviously terrible childhood in an attempt to understand what led them into a life of crime.
        d.) Brandish a stick of rock at them and tell the nasty people to please go away.
        e.) All of the above except for d.)

        Answers on a postcard….. (I plump for e)

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      • 395
        David Davis MP says:

        mmmmm Come back to bed darling…I’m still hard.

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  15. 19
    I love a Sunday roast says:

    I guess today’s DJs don’t get up to such high jinx anyway. And teenage girls now would rather shag a footballer and get paid by The Sun the next month than wait 40 years for the chance of a payout.

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  16. 20
    Living in 96.98 percent white Merseyside says:

    I whole heartedly agree with you Mr Fawkes.

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  17. 22
    G. Orwell says:

    Thank God for Guido.

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  18. 23
    I d on't nee d no doctor says:

    Yes Guido, but what about the times when I was in front of the curve when you were floundering? I once worked with someone like you.

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  19. 26
    a popular entertainer says:

    when wind breaks we need to know -sooner rather than later

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    • 194
      Tay King-dePisse says:

      He who smelt it, dealt it, in many instances, and I ain’t just talking about flatulation. There’s too many people out there, trying to get out ahead of something, who will give the Press half the story– that part which redounds to their benefit– and try to cabin the discussion of the subject, by making it seem as if anyone else who might want to shed more light on the subject by going into it in greater depth is (a) only jumping on the bandwagon or (b) introducing extraneous matters into it. Plebgate, prime example. By the time the truth comes out, it’s like, who gives a shit? Old stuff– can’t we just move on? B!lly Jeff Clinton was especially good at it. The Press gets played, and plays along, and doesn’t want anyone to know about it; they’re shocked– SHOCKED!– when people like Guido say “Hey, if someone is being questioned, I’m going to report that fact; the police may have a legitimate charge against the person, or they may be stitching him up– you decide!”

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  20. 28
    Lord Lupin says:

    I always wondered where Rolf Harris got that heavy breathing from.

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  21. 29
    M. Ashy says:

    This Country going to hell in a handcart. Whatever happened to innocent till proven? People like Guido, that’s what. And, corrupt cops. Most of these celebs will not be guilty, except of smacking WOMENS arses. Common practice back then. Cops like the publicity, ransacking homes. What evidence do they expect to find 40 years on? Lumping these men in with Savile is vile.I watched old ToPs video of Paul Jones singing being touched up constantly by young woman. Don’t hear of that do we? Meanwhile real tragic victims of Savile forgotten. Shameful! They were let down then and are being let down now, simply because Guido and cops have side tracked the real issue.

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    • 76
      Anonymous says:

      I must admit, i think arresting Jim Davidson at Heathrow and raiding his house for “evidence” 25 years after the event is rather hysterical, especially when he was then released on police bail until march (without charge) these people will never live this down.What the hell is wrong with the Police ?

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      • 187
        inside- out says:

        They raid houses because they can.Davidson has not been charged with any crime just been questioned.His lawyer released statement saying allegations are from 20 yr old women.Without witnesses chance of any prosecution remote.Just a fishing expedition by The Old Bill.

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      • 463
        Anonymous says:

        They are looking for soundbites all the time. They love glare of media, that’s why they inform media they are going after some poor bleeder. Iv’e lost all respect for them over this witch hunt and the Mitchell affair.

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  22. 30
    George Gideon Oliver Osborne says:

    That moment when you pour a bowl of Frosties and realize there’s no milk so you sit there, wondering why bad things happen to good people.

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    • 37
      tourmaline says:

      Don’t worry if labour and burnham have their way, frosties are a thing of memory. because labour is going to ban them as evil.

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      • 88
        Burnham the cereal killer says:

        @RtHonJon: What would you rather have, a Labour government or a bowl of Coco Pops?

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      • 516
        Harriet Harpy says:

        In the Labour viewpoint :

        Frosties and sugar puffs, page 3..all verboten.

        Vile activity between a nonce and a child = all fine apparently and no damage done especially if you’re a muslim sex gang.

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  23. 35
    tourmaline says:

    If as leveson contends the press needs to be controlled who is going to control the press? Avaricious unprincipled politicians? If so who then curbs the excesses of the politicians?

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    • 52
      Hacked Off and the Labour Party. says:

      We need a quango full of like-minded people to regulate the press, decide what can be published and punish transgressors with such huge fines that they cease trading forever.
      Independent figures like Shami Chakrabarti, David Bell, Julia Middleton and Alistair Campbell would be perfect.

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      • 74
        Double Tap says:

        Or, every time they get caught out in a lie about someone, they get fined a years turnover.

        Beef up the slander and libel laws and they’d soon stop lying.

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      • 170
        Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:

        I would be happy to volunteer to sit on this independent regulatory panel. Boaz.

        .
        .

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        • 241
          Chris Bryant says:

          Me too.

          I could prevent any unhelpful stories, like the one about my former election agent Stephen Carnell collecting and distributing 12,000 appalling child porn images, being published.

          Plus on a quango salary I could afford a new pair of pants.

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      • 304
        Anonymous says:

        Is that the delightfully attractive Julia Middleton, head honcho of that compasionate and hardworking charity Common Purpose?

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        • 531
          Anonymous says:

          The very same.
          And Common Purpose managed to stuff the Leveson inquiry with it’s “graduates”.

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  24. 36
    PlatoSays says:

    I’m finding this as weird as Stuart Hall. Savile and DLT gave me the creeps – but Rolf?

    Let’s see what comes out of it.

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  25. 38
    The savant10.4 highway patrol says:

    On this one i. Agree. Wholeheatedly with. Guidos stance .

    Keep up the good work .

    As long as your sources are the mandatory minimum two and check out via traditional parameters. Then publish and be damned .

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  26. 39
    Westminster Windbag says:

    We want the press to be free to print whatever they want, provided we have approved it first.

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  27. 43
    Owen Jones Press Officer says:

    Owen Jones paid a heavy price for poking fun at the Conservative led coalition. Now, despite moves towards a Labour government, he has no plans to stop lampooning the authorities.

    “All I did was crack some jokes. But for that, I was sentenced to hard labour,” says Owen Jones. “I didn’t revolt against the government but I was charged with a political crime.”

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  28. 45
    WVM says:

    Editors of newspapers have been cowed into silence, no doubt about it.
    Although Rolf Harris (as Guido has stated) has been ‘questioned under caution’ and not arrested, unlike Clifford, Davidson and the rest.

    Why do they all have connects to the BBC though?

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    • 51
      tourmaline says:

      Why indeed are they all connected to the beeb. And what has happened to those inquiries the beeb ordered into all of this.

      Talk about hushed up and swept under carpet!!

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      • 77
        Anonymous says:

        The BBC was the only TV station back then, you muppett. There was nobody else to work for !

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        • 82
          Fucking Moron says:

          Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha……..

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        • 96
          Guidopedia says:

          For three years only.

          In 1952, Rolf Harris moved to the United Kingdom, where he started to draw animations for television programmes.

          The Television Act 1954 was a British law which permitted the creation of the first commercial television network in the United Kingdom, ITV.
          Commercial television started broadcasting in stages between 1955 and 1962.

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    • 55
      HMMM says:

      I think a public enquiry into the BBC would be top of most peoples list as far as public inquiries go.

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      • 132
        Bollocks to getting a pseudonym says:

        The first question such an enquiry ought to ask is, “How soon can the BBC be closed down for ever?”

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      • 263
        Blowing Whistles says:

        Just look at your statement again – “public enquiry … public inquiries”

        So how come these Public enquiries/inquiries are always handled by politicians & Judges …

        Public my Rse. It’s an abuse of what is “In the public Interest”.

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  29. 50
    Toast Man Pat says:

    Absolutely nothing to see here…..move along…..that will be £1200 please – my day rate…..

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    • 322
      Gordon Brown says:

      My money tree has shed its Euros.
      It must have been grown from a bigoted seed.
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  30. 53
    a non says:

    Winning so far Guido but what about future internet regulation / snoopers charter that will affect our reception of your site.
    We are presently blessed with Labour’s decade-old Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act to glean information from the private citizen. Socialists renowned for D notices and deciding what you should and should not know will only be too happy to extend controle. Consider Ed Mili’s immediate response to the Leveson report.
    Emasculated dead tree press. Approved precensored internet access with the exception of beeb propaganda and secret Frostie societies. What a world!

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    • 361
      GDS says:

      Can I just reiterate for all the conspiracy fuckwits here that there is NO SUCH THING as a D-Notice. Whatever the merits of any other argument you put forward, to refer to a sytem that has not been in place since 1993, marks you out as an utter numpty.!!!!!

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  31. 56
    alex weir says:

    There has been a DNotice in effect since december 2007 against a very important but unreported fraud proof voting system specially designed for nigerian and zimbabwean conditions – http://cd3wd.com/seev/ . This is a very unusual and completely wrong useage of the draconian and envied-by-dictators dnotice system. It is also a realistic assessment of the efficacy and threat to the status quo which FPV poses. Will you be allowed to comment on this, guido, or are dnotices beyond your iconoclastic reach? Yours in expectation, alex weir, gaborone

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  32. 59
    The Stilton Eater says:

    More power to your elbow Guido.

    The press are cowardly. They’ll report the news but only after someone else has got their first.

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  33. 60
    Mr A. says:

    I’ve read your statement with interest.

    “nothing in this statement should be taken as any waiver of privilege, or any other protection I have under English or European Community Law”

    Sounds a bit opportunistic, doesn’t it? Time to give some love back to EU.

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  34. 62
    R Swiper says:

    Anyone who ties kangaroos down for sport is worth being spoken to.

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  35. 66
    Martin Day says:

    Keep on going strong,Guido.

    The “dead tree press” are on the floor anyway.

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  36. 78
    Worth a Listen says:

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  37. 79
    Burnham the cereal killer says:

    @RtHonJon: What would you rather have, a Labour government or a bowl of Coco Pops?

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    • 89
      Andy Burnham says:

      Sorry I’m not available to comment on cereal foods, but I am available to talk about my Hillsborough Bandwagon. Smiles and hugs for the cameras.

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      • 125
        Slime ball Vaz says:

        Oi ! Move over I was here first…

        Hugs for camera

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        • 148
          dead man's hand says:

          I see Kellogs are selling some sort of a crispy snack, any good ?

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        • 262
          Hadrian (Emp.) says:

          Shortly after being elected in 1989, Vaz led a march of thousands of Muslims in Leicester calling for Salman Rushdie’s book The Satanic Verses to be banned—WIKI.

          Ah, a true democrat of the Midlands.

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  38. 83
    Living in 96.98 percent white Merseyside says:

    I’ve never tried Coco Pops so it would be a case of better the devil I know rather the one I don’t.

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  39. 86
    Arcotiri says:

    I have just this to say

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  40. 87
    Big Bertha says:

    Some little guy called Dave pinched my ass on the Bakerloo in 1995. I’m absolutely sure I recognized him again when I did that £10 quickie for him last week. Are there any No Win No Fee legal shysters out there who will help me pursue a claim?

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  41. 92
    Jeff Jinx says:

    CONGRATULATIONS Guido, you’ve extended your ‘fame’ for another fifteen minutes with your ‘brave crusading’ report. However, reading BEYOND the HYPERBOLE – a man has been accused of pinching a woman’s backside and naturally doesn’t want to be dragged into the same SCUMBAG crew as Jimmy Savile’s circle of perverts. Not much ‘crusading’ there, mate, more tilting at windmills. I LONG for the day a ‘crusader’ such as yourself, scoops the name of a real paedophile – and they ALLUDE JUSTICE because YOU have prejudiced any chance of a FAIR TRIAL. Tilt on!

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    • 163
      Casual Observer says:

      To be fair, the point of the post was about stripping the press of it’s freedom. This point is not about the press though, but about the people – which is well made above.

      Given that this is a political blog, I do not think there are any crusades here for any of the above, or those currently snared by Yewtree, and those to be snared by Fairbank etc. However, where there is a political ramification – then there is, and it is those details which are relevant.

      If you are looking for crusaders, I would direct you towards Mr. Tom Fatboy and the Whacked Off rabble, who are trying their hardest to exploit the crimes primarily against ch1ldren to: i) Smear the Tories, ii) Instigate an inquisition culture in the UK centered around p@3d0philia, and iii) Strip the press of its liberty.

      This blog is not responsible for messing up fair trials. If you follow these matters you will find that there are others out there who do. The curious Mr. 1cke is one place to start looking.

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      • 166
        Casual Observer says:

        Clarify: In first sentence, by ‘the people’ I refer to ‘the British public’. That does include those pictured, all of whom would have a liberty stripped by statutory regulation.

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    • 363
      GDS says:

      ALLUDE??? WANKER!!!

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  42. 94
    David Cameron says:

    Shit happens when you trust the wrong people.

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  43. 108
    Jimmy says:

    “A free press ensures that the police do not go about their business in secret.”

    And this blog ensures that right wing troglodytes in mothers’ basements across the land have the jump on the tabs when it comes to kiddyfiddling stories to masturbate over. If it helps the defence lawyers claim their clients can’t get fair trials then it’s a price worth paying to keep guidophiles entertained.

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    • 120
      Must do better says:

      Very poor 2/10

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    • 160
      JH46568768 says:

      Yeah, Jimmy comes over as a stroppy little twat here.

      Incorrect anyway, we do of course all rely on noncefinder general Watson to find the kiddy prowlers. He feared for his life you know.

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  44. 110
    An element of caution says:

    Reporting promptly is fine. Reporting accurately is important.

    When reporting on issues relating to police criminal matters this has to be addressed carefully, responsibly and with consideration.

    The following I do not say with pointed conviction at this blog, which has actually been quite careful in its presentation, but applies generally.

    One of those listed above was very nearly mis-labelled a nonce, when in fact he is not. None have been formally charged yet, only released on police bail. Getting this point across to the post-Labour mong level intellect of the readers is important. (present company, except lefties, accepted)

    The counter case is that piece in the Grauniad the other day which appeared to be making a pro-p@3d0 case. Even though it came across apologist and was presenting fact, it was not.

    Should the liberal academic trash have been reported ? Probably yes, as it is in the public interest.

    What was missing from the report ? A moral framework and presentation.

    Other than the hazards of reporting on live criminal cases which need to be handled with genuine care for both reporter and subject, the moral framework and message needs to be projected alongside the story and facts.

    Irrespective of prejudice: no one is guilty until proven so in a court of law by a jury of peers: any reporting before the fact should overwhelmingly protect the reputation of all involved up to the point where a prosecution is successfully made.

    Laws regulating the press are not required for this.

    A serious rethink on reporting style and presentation by journalists and editors most certainly is though.

    The prejudicial mentality of the readers themselves is what needs to be altered, and to undo the damage that unfettered amoral liberal policy has done in this respect will be quite long and tedious. A minor modification to the lens which is the press is all that is required, not statutory regulation.

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    • 121
      tourmaline says:

      +100

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    • 128
      HMMM says:

      A short answer to your lengthy preamble, Freedom of Speech is everything, without that there is nothing.

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      • 154
        An element of caution says:

        All I would add to your one sentence version is a qualifier about freedom of speech within a morally responsible framework. :-D

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        • 162
          Morals are not a science or a law. says:

          Morals are a figment of the imagination. They vary from culture to culture, nation to nation, religion to religion and those who choose to accept them believe their morals are the correct ones.

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          • An element of caution says:

            That is not strictly correct. They can be defined quite simply in terms of action – consequence, and whether the consequence is positive or negative. Avoiding and minimizing the negatives is important. This should be culture neutral, which negates the liberal fallacy you mention. :-)

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        • 167
          HMMM says:

          Yes, I concur with that (In one sentence).

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      • 397
        Anonymous says:

        how can ppl be protected from brain washing?
        a free press could contribute to this. there is far too fear this fear that. resent this resent that. hardly ever…forgive this, forgive that. and never the notion that there is nowt to fear except fear. given that everyone does what they want, perhaps there should be total freedom.

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    • 142
      Keep it simple stupid. says:

      Too many words dude.

      If you can’t put it in one sentence, don’t bother.

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    • 235
      fitzfitz says:

      … responsibly ? … we don’t understand …

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    • 274
      Blowing Whistles says:

      If only you knew how jury’s are thoroughly manipulated these days – by the wordmangling fear put into them of never daring to question – what they are entitled to question?

      Individual properly informed jurors are the court – the others have become misguiding vultures.

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  45. 114
    Fatty Pang and his Four Pensions says:

    Shades of Salem

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    • 295
      Chamber Of Commerce, Salem MA, USA, says:

      Well, it was all pretty horrific when it happened, you’d have to say, but we’ve managed to put it behind us now. We’ve even become a tourist trap for those visiting the Boston area, as a result of the Witchcraft Trials; a good part of our local economy is based on our old Puritan ancestors’ fondness for necktie parties. Take chickenshit and turn it into chicken salad, we always say. Old crones on brooms are good for a quick buck!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem,_Massachusetts

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  46. 117
    you weren't the first says:

    with Rolf, Holy Moly was. your general point is valid though but you aren’t as upfront as you always think.

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    • 129
      Bushfecker says:

      Did he bare his Koala

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    • 135
      HMMM says:

      Does anybody know what it is yet?.

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    • 159
      Rolf Watch says:

      No: The Priory is the name of the psychiatric hospital he has entered.

      He has been under a bit of strain recently for one reason or another, but it is not his first visit there though.

      Irrespective of anything else, his private health issue should not be of concern to anyone, unless they wish him a speedy recovery.

      Think carefully how that sentiment actually benefits all concerned positively.

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    • 233
      fitzfitz says:

      … its only a short walk from there to the level crossing at White Hart Lane, Barnes …

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      • 329
        Old c,untborn says:

        You know Rolf Harris hasn’t been charged with anything and the questioning was over a claim by someone who was well in her 20’s at the time that he pinched her arse.
        Some silly prick tagging him as a ‘nonce’ when he’s innocent until convicted is frankly despicable. Often I find those screaming loudest have something to hide themselves.

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  48. 131
    dead man's hand says:

    it has been suggested that the cops are using the opportunity to give a kicking to those who might have offended them in the past. What might Rolf have ever done to upset the cops ? apart from singing daft songs.

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  49. 134
    Owen Jones says:

    Back on topic

    Other great recessions caused by the Tories 1979 – 1983…..1990 – 1993, …2010-2012 Tories they just love Austerity and recession

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    • 145
      HMMM says:

      Come, come, when Gordon was in power he explained it away as the Global.

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      • 151
        dead man's hand says:

        just think how big those dinosaurs were, they were like really massive, so all those millions of years of dinosaur farts must have gone somewhere , right ? so we just need to find out where all that gas has accumulated.

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        • 156
          dead man's hand says:

          this could be a new theory to explain the extinction, perhaps all those farts accumulated as a layer all around the planet and then one day Whooosh! it ignited making everything crispy.

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    • 535
      Anonymous says:

      If the Tories love austerity and recession – how kind of Labour to hand it to them so often.

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  50. 161
    Lost in Clacton says:

    Has Noel Edmonds been arrested yet?

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    • 201
      Anonymous says:

      He needs to be arrested for fucking dyeing his beard.

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    • 332
      Son of Rupert says:

      My Old Mum’s saying :

      Though the mills of God grind slowly;
      Yet they grind exceeding small;
      Though with patience he stands waiting,
      With exactness grinds he all.

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  51. 169
    Operation Crossbow says:

    The press are shit, full of the biggest perverts going. The reason they keep things quiet is most of them are up to the same nasty stuff as well.

    When was the last time you saw a hack (other than the phone hacking lot) get outed for something in the press?

    The press have lied and covered up for politicians for decades, I wouldn’t miss any of them to be honest. I don’t trust any of them.

    Look how the Daily Telegraph jumped on the MP expenses thing yet are we really supposed to believe that the press hacks didn’t know all the scams the thieving bastards were up to at Westminster? It was Heather Brooke who was the only one digging into the scummy press, the newspapers were not remotely interested in what she was doing or the dirt she was digging out.

    The whole of the media covered up Gordon Browns bullying for years and also that fat fucker (can’t even remember his name now) who was leader of the Limp Dims who was an alcoholic.

    Fuck the press, scum the lot of them.

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      Drink, Drugs and Shagging says:

      Remember John Lennon said that the reason all the dirt on the Beatles was kept out the press was because they were cute enough to ensure that the gentlemen of the press received their fair share of the dirt themselves.

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      inside- out says:

      Ever heard of LIBEL,no thought not.You need bomb proof evidence before publishing. The
      Telegraph paid £100,000 for CD of official expenses submitted by MP’s,ie bomb proof evidence.Thats why they published.

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        Operation Crossbow says:

        No one said anything about not having evidence, it’s just that the press are quick to do undercover filming of Max Mosely but not so quick to show MPs fiddling their expenses.

        The only reason the Telegraph ran the story was because it saw it as a scoop and a way to boost circulation.

        It had fuck all to do with wanting to out the thieving of MPs. If it was they’d have released all the info in one go, but they didn’t they strung it out for weeks.

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          Hack's drinking buddy says:

          The Telegraph ran with that story around the time a large cocaine dealing ring was operating around their office and that Justin barmpot was fucking with the heads of conspiracy nuts by putting secret messages in their online cartoons (Operation Blackjack) suggesting that armageddon was about to come. The marching powder had sent all their brains to sillyland. Gotta love the ‘respectable’ press. In comparison the Mail was a dull and uptight place around that time and not the hive of Chris Morris enthusiasts many imagine.

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      Your Friendly Neighbourhood Fat Fucker Reminder Service says:

      Charles Kennedy, then (and still) MP. Don’t know if he’s still boozing, or not; if so, he may have just become more discreet about it. Or not. He may have turned over a new leaf. Or not. That’s how reporting about people like Mr Kennedy will be done in future. Or not.

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        fitzfitz says:

        … we had forgotten about that Scotch Pudding …. has he been had up ? Or what ?

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        genghiz the kahn says:

        When was Kennedy’s drinking problem serious enough to keep it covered up? He might have opposed the Iraq war, but was he really non compos mentis much of the time?

        CK is an overrated old soak.

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    Unemployed and skint in Birtley Colliery says:

    Just found out from the Daily Telegraph that one million people are going to lose child benefit.

    I never knew there were so many rich bastards in England

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      Operation Crossbow says:

      Most of them work in the public sector and the BBC.

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        Blowing Whistles says:

        most of them are lawyers – feeding off of any frenzy they can create and string out for as long as possible. Fees my boy fees!

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    DI Jack Reagan of the Sweeney says:

    Oi I’ear that slaaaaaagggggggggg Andy Burnhan wants to ban my Weetabix !!!!

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    Reblogged this on Frith Street Post and commented:
    Interesting blog on the effect of Leveson on the reporting of news.
    My view is we live in a world of media intrusion … media intruding on lives, but also “celebrities” using media to intrude into our lives and diluting the quality of what we see and hear. Now the media are dealing with issues such as Leveson. Interesting tension.

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    Jimmy says:

    Of course one can’t have a Yewtree arrest without a Thatcher link can you?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7725624.stm

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      Ah! ffs says:

      FFS Jimmy, might as well say the earth is flat, now that could be a tenuous link to the flat earth society.

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        Jimmy says:

        It’s the ecstatic expression on her face as she says the word “dying”: should have picked up on that at the time I suppose.

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    Gooey Blob says:

    The left want as much state control as possible, including the media. Leveson is a step toward their Utopian vision where dissent is not tolerated.

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      Anonymous says:

      Think you need to look beyond the left/right paradigm, perhaps its the people behind both “sides” who want their utopian vision.

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    US Watch says:

    Celebs using the media to intrude into the lives of the people mentioned in #177 has been a problem in US as well. Hollywood is well known for projecting somewhat political messages alongside their films which can work against peoples rights.

    Two examples: Glorification of guns and advocacy of unsafe practice combined with violence attacks 2nd amendment. A subtler note is the unwarranted attack on gas fracking and energy policy courtesy of films like ‘Inconvenient Truth’ and more recently ‘Promised Land’.

    Somewhat duplicitous and not all together different to what you guys are dealing with. Has Hugh found anyone to blow him yet ?

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      Timmy Tin Foil says:

      China Syndrome, a film about a nuke accident, released 16 March 1979.
      Three Mile Island, a nuke accident, occurred 28 March 1979.
      Always seemed a bit, how you say, convenient, when it was never much of an issue discussed in the media, till the film’s release; two weeks later, badda bing!, life imitates art. Of course, films showing gun use give mass murderers ideas to go out and shoot dozens of people. And Timothy McVeigh certainly must have watched The Fountainhead. A film about nuke accidents couldn’t possibly inspire a potential saboteur. Couldn’t ever happen.

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        Conspiracy Watch says:

        Funny thing about China Syndrome film is Douglas had a hard time pronouncing the word ‘nuclear’. Very Walken-esque.

        The Dark Knight is a funny old film though. Another shooting today in Aurora Co – 4 Dead at the end of the stand off. Must be something in the water.

        One of the questions with the nuclear industry though is where did all the fallout from the surface / atmospheric tests and other covered up releases from various plants wind up, including that from Fukushima ?

        Jet Streams are your dispersal, and rain brings it down to earth. High levels in Xenon isotopes show where it still is in the upper atmosphere.

        Interesting to Google up on Secret Fallout and then look at the breast cancer stats for PA / NY and ON Canada… Just Saying. Never forget your umbrella.

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    Jay says:

    And a worry that McAlpine might be asked back to give them an expensive recital of the book he wrote about how to be a lying scum bag and plant rumours in the public domain and when people take the bait – kerching, you’ve made yourself an extra few hundred grand for the retirement fund perhaps?

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    Derek G Haslam says:

    He could play with my digeridoo and day, or pop by to Derek Haslam, 9, Lynn Rd, Southery, PE38 or call 01959-572299

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    Anonymous says:

    The bigger issue here is not about who allegedly did what. It’s about the fact that if it was someone down the street who was not a celeb and was asked to accompany the police under caution to answer questions of whatever nature could be reasonably reported pre-Leveson. There has been a dulling of the media as regards what is/is not now allowable. That is the effect. Chilling and allows a multitude of things to go unnoticed. I don’t believe that was Leveson’s intent. The fact that he left too many grey areas is the weakness of his Report.

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    Operation Crossbow says:

    I caught a bit of a female beeboid interviewing someone today. She (probably on 100K+) didn’t seem to think that the well off losing child benefit was fair.

    “Surely everyone should be getting something out of the welfare state” was the phrase (or as close to as I can remember) she used.

    That attitude shows what’s wrong with this Country. Why should well off people expect anything off the state in terms of benefits? We used to get tax relief on mortgages but Ken Clarke did away with that.

    The whole welfare state has got out of kilter. The idea that someone with no kids earning say 20k a year should be subsiding a female beeboid’s baby habit when she’s on say 100k a year is just a joke.

    Most handouts should go, raise tax thresholds or even the minimum wage. Reward people for working but don’t give free handouts to everyone just because its ‘fair’

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      Son of Rupert says:

      Simples, if you can not afford them, then don,t have them, not much of a man who can not support his own Family.

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      clearly says:

      was that the same greedy bitch who, with a husband earning £60k+, was yapping that she’d lose £130 a week…and that was the cost of her weekly food bill for the family.

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      oddly helpful says:

      ’tisnt FAIR!’ is language for red-faced toddlers demanding special favours, not ‘100k ‘ journalists or politicians. Emotional and manipulative.

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    Dr Eoin Clarke says:

    I want to know how much Rolf Harris has made out of NHS contracts.

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    E says:

    COOOEEEE , guys !!!

    Wot the big boys chattin about today then ??

    Not that I gives a shit etc.

    E x x

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      WVM says:

      We’ve all fucked off to watch “SPLASH!” on ITV1 dear.
      You should try it E, it’s the all new camp diving reality quiz show full of homosexuals.

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      P.C. Filth says:

      Ah. Good evening, madam. I trust you are well and, if I may be so bold, would like to compliment you on your overall fragrantness, all things considered, sir.
      A Mr. Rolf Harris of 16 Riverbank View, Felcham, Oxon has had his wobbler reported due to extra-curricular goings-on, you see. Apart from that, all is as usual, madam. Over.

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        E says:

        OMG !!

        That a shame , ain’t it , honey ???

        Weren’t his wobbler his trademark an that ??

        Stairwat To heaven etc etc ???

        E x x

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        E says:

        OMG !!

        That a shame , ain’t it , honey ???

        Weren’t his wobbler his trademark an that ??

        Stairway To heaven etc etc ???

        E x x

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          You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down. says:

          Try to type with some thought in your brain.

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          • E says:

            Why , darlin ???

            No one else is , is they ??

            Effin typical of u to pick on Ewa , ain’t it ??

            Fuckin Nazi ;((

            E x

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    Lost in Clacton says:

    I am positive I have seen the three men in the photo before on Police Five.

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    fitzfitz says:

    Well done, Guy : your blog is a lesson to the press … let’s not go the way of the rebarbative Argentine … the press has many other names … remained silent, remains silent …

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      Piss Stains says:

      The Argies do make a fine red, though…

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      E says:

      Oh look …….

      ……Stevie had to moderate somethin here , an all ;p

      If u screws ur eyeballs up real tight , u can jus about make it out , I thinks *screws*

      E x

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        Piss S t a i n s says:

        All I said was that Argentina made some fine wine. Too rich for this “libertarian” site, I suppose.

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          Sir Brianony Henry Leveson PC QC says:

          This blog wouldn’t know what a libertarian was if it got fucked up the arse by one.

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    Gaddaffi's chauffeur says:

    Aren’t Harbottle and Lewis mixed up in all this somewhere along the line so they cannot possibly be acting for Mr Rolf.

    I think there must be a conflict of interest in this somewhere.

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      Blowing Whistles says:

      They are linked to having made several statements for murdoch’s NI people – like they didn’t know such and such at such and such a time – and they are legals – how convenient that none of their lawyers have ever given real testimony on oath in a real criminal court over the whole of hackgate?

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    fitzfitz says:

    … Derek ? … ! …

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      E says:

      Oh look …….

      ……Stevie had to moderate somethin here ;p

      If u screws ur eyeballs up real tight , u can jus about make it out , I thinks *screws*

      E x

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    How to get Guido really blocked in Ch!na and the pointlessness of press censorship says:

    Here’s a link to picture of new secret Y-20 plane:

    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/01/chinas-new-transport/

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    Please sign says:

    Leah McGrath Goodman, an American investigative journalist (yes they do exist), author and former UK resident has been banned from the UK after launching an investigation into the alleged mass abuse, torture and possible murder of children on the island of Jersey.

    Apparently, her visa application is still “under review”, in spite of over 90% of applications taking less than 21 days to process.

    Those accused of harming children under care include privileged visitors from abroad, orphanage staff members and prominent citizens of Jersey who continue to go unpunished. For these reasons Ms. Goodman must be allowed to finish her research unhindered. Please take a few moments to sign the petition below and circulate it as widely as possible.

    http://www.change.org/petitions/ukhomeoffice-restore-the-visa-of-banned-journalist-leah-mcgrath-goodman-freejersey

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      K. D. Fiddler says:

      Better still, sign the e-petition that demands we give those islands back to the French. I’ll set it up in a mo and drop the link here.

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      Have signed says:

      +1000 for mentioning that here.

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      Mr Weetabix says:

      Ah the Jersey child abuse scandal, kicked off when a police dog found something that was identified as a fragment of a child’s skull. When it was finally tested it turned out to be either a piece of wood or a bit of coconut shell. A wonderful example of both police stupidity and media feeding frenzy.

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    Thatcher's Iron Stiletto says:

    Part of the reason that Davidson and Clifford were reported immediately is because the liberal media has been waiting for any excuse to destroy them. I worry more that the police investigation at present seems likely to be driven by going after somebody they don’t like and then looking for something to incriminate them for. Often from decades ago. All three of these arrests are allegedly not in connection with Saville and yet the police suddenly have sufficient information to arrests these people? Anyway you look at it the Police are yet again looking incredibly incompetent. They are becoming a caricature of a bad entertainment show. We expected a Christmas special with 4 guest arrests on Christmas day with the public phoning in to vote on who gets stitched up and sent down.

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    bill says:

    guido i like your blog but a civilised society can not like under the fear of a bunch of hacks.
    i was maligned in the press last year for political reasons.i was just ridiculous for me and tragic for my family.

    the press blew it so there must be censorship.

    my own feeling is that stories that contain serious allegations should not be printed unless there is a conviction.

    britain is a jealous class ridden(with hatred from the people that a jealous of schools and money)society that cant not run on a free ticket

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      S t a i n s says:

      “my own feeling is that stories that contain serious allegations should not be printed unless there is a conviction.”

      Try telling that to The Daily Mail’s Health-scare Section.

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        @dailymailonline #bored sub-human says:

        Tuesdays are Health-scare days.

        Thursdays are Money-scare days.

        Saturdays are Martin Samuel-is-sports-journalism-God days.

        Every day is a bikini day.

        Err, does that leave any day free for double-standards day?

        Pure FILTH, aren’t we?

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    BotMod says:

    Steve’s busy trolling his own comments right now. Please try later.

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    Censorship be damned says:

    The real issue is the way a completely unelected body of unaccountable, essentially anonymous, strongly financially or otherwise self-interested individuals (that is, the press) have had almost universal power to filter and distort the apparent profiles of those influential within the country, to the extent that when it’s done on politicians rather than celebrities, democracy is the victim. Why should the press be able to pick and choose when or what is released about someone (eg Brown’s unsuited temperament kept covered up for years until he finally reaches a position where he can do damage)

    Yes, I’ve met many politicians and some have come across as dodgy in the extreme. Keeping them accountable is fine, but manipulating the public perception of those in power to be more favourable than reality is not.

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      Anonymous says:

      why can’t the people judge the press?
      like members of a jury.
      .
      now that could be really interesting.

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    Censorship be damned? says:

    See at 8.44pm (above), FFS.

    @dailymailonline #bored sub-human says:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    Your all wankers, aren’t you?

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    What would Brian make of this says:

    Interesting example of global press screw ups, and yes the BBC and Grauniad involved.

    This time: Fatah – celebration of the 48th anniversary since their first terrorist attack against !srael.

    Ok – we’ve got that. 2012 is the 48th Anniversary since the first terrorist attack against !srael carried out in 1954.

    NB: It wasn’t just a terrorist attack, but under Section I Article 54 was actually a 100% bona fide case closed war crime.

    http://www.israellycool.com/2013/01/05/48-ways-to-whitewash-fatah-terrorism/

    Seriously though, what would Brian make of that ?

    And surely even the Grauniad have access to a calculator level of editorial fact checking ?

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      What would Brian make of this says:

      And as I do not work for the Grauniad, the obvious error I put in above is that the attack carried out by Fatah was in 1964. (Fatah was founded in 1959). :-)

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  76. 282
    P.C. Filth says:

    By the way, sir – It’s *you’re*. Yes, indeed. When it comes to shitters, this site is built on them. Over.

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      BotMod says:

      This site is petfrified of The DM? Now THAT is funny. They petrified of me so, I guess, I woz right all along. Their IS a natural heirarchy when it come to morals. Pfft.

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        BotMod says:

        Spellin bit shite tonite ;p *There* , obviously.

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        Beano Reader says:

        The Daily Mail is pure FILTH. So is any c’unt that works on it or reads it.

        What DID make me laugh recently, was their campaign to make people have to opt-in for online porn, FFS !!!

        WHO THE FUCK do they think they ARE?

        Tossers.

        If you don’t want your IDIOT children to spend hours looking at vaginas and arseholes try talking to them, you wankers.

        The DAILY MAIL is, and always has been, a poisonous honey trap for, otherwise unemployable, waste-of-space graduates in “journalism”.

        Remember what they did to Zola Budd, FFS?

        Sandra Parsons, I ASK YOU? What a TWAT. Fuck off and do something real, you arsehole.

        Richard Littlecock? WHAT A FUCKIN DORK. Prostituted himself on The Sun, I believe? Enough said.

        Etc. etc. You read it, they’ll churn it out. I can’t believe people are SO fucking stupid.

        I quite like Jeremy Vinyl, though.

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          Alan Twitchcock says:

          Nothing on TV tonight, E?

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          • E says:

            Dunno , Twitchcock , honey ;p

            I seems to of avoided the gay divin , an that *pheeew*

            I likes the radio , I thinks , coz it paints mental pictures more than physical ones , don’t it ???

            Jus listenin to Pau L Gabberchini @ mo …

            …laters ;)

            E x x

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    Anonymous says:

    I’m Jake the peg,

    diddle liddle liddle um

    Stroke my middle leg,

    diddle liddle liddle um. . . . . .

    Two little boys. . . . . . . .

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  78. 294
    David Cameron says:

    The what Enquiry? I don’t remember any enquiry. Why don’t you try next door – George might know.

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  79. 305
    Anonymous says:

    Looks to me like Mark Williams-Thomas broke that particular story in November – https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/274181776283406337

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      What would Brian make of this says:

      Think that is where it all started in the PD for Rolf. Williams was tipped off by cop insider. I think after Clifford Yewtree changed procedure, so now you just have to figure it out by who has suddenly vanished from radio / record sales or roughly age and where they live. Or, find out who has recently taken out an injunction out of the blue.

      A number of the blog sites have anonymous drop boxes and pretty good sources. + They do not run with a 72 Point front page saying: ‘He done it, beast of Britain’ or such sensationalism.

      There is one blog out there which uses a lot of colloquial ad hominems, but it certainly does not sensationalize.

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    Spot the pompous liar.... says:

    “This blog is nimble and prepared to take risks….”

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    Musical Interlude says:

    lol @ this when I treid to view Rolf’s masterpiece:

    Content Warning

    This video may be inappropriate for some users.

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    Kin'l Savile and Harris have the same mannerisms says:

    Watch savile’s hands linger

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    not a machine says:

    Freedom of the press , in my view is fundamental and I think the Leveson approach to it , is the wrong question , even if so thought as the most impressive way of schmoozing the public into PC world.

    We have perhaps had a long time to work with the idea of a free press , of course the days when outrage was made in a little mesters shop with a hand cranked type face set and printers ink, have gone along with the words origional meanings . mmmm Free Press …… to be free is perhaps to be able to articulate your opinion without fear or favour and in so doing hopefully render somthing about truth also without fear or favour .
    If only that were the case in other parts of the world , call your ruling despot somthing he/she doesnt like and they replace you , or say things they do like and well you get a pay rise , you get the picture .

    In some ways the freedom to be opposite is supposed to make a better society , when you start using the words “held to account” it sounds even better , as in order to hold those in power to account , you need to be free to say what you would like .

    Now the clever bit …. to say what you would like , you have to be educated or at least have someone educated to do it for you, if your not so good at expressing opinions . Expressing opinions is vital to democracy , not just in the saying or writing , but in the hearing and understanding , in my view democracy needs education to actually work .

    This fundamental of asking questions and expressing opinions was at the very beginning of democracy , and you know what , it will never go away , as each generation has to ask questions and express opinions . It can fail of course as it did under Blair , where the questions fail to be answered either truthfully or properly even parliament failed on that one , never mind the press.

    Do we hate the press when they seem to trawl or mis report things , I would think we do , but do we hate the press when they finally turn someone over who has been good for nothing liar and cheat ?, we are useually thankful or even pleased .
    The implication that some sort of judicial process is required before one can express an opinion freely , is flawed in the sense that the judge is not infallable just as the person expressing the said opinion may be . We can come close to being proper in reporting of matters and people , but i doubt even our highest law courts can say you can do so with complete Infalability .

    We all know that to accuse in an opinion means you have to get your facts right or else you yourself can be called the liar , it does not need a judge , a fleet of Bishcon or any such thing , to understand that if your going to make the call , you had better be able to stand upon it , this comes with the meaning of free press , in the sense that you too may be found out as a liar in any such engagement of opinion or facts .

    You hobble the free press , you hobble the sifting for truth by interrogation with questions .

    A judge may end up delaying the expressing of opinions to who evers advantage , a judge may consider limiting damage through bias , a judge may have peir pressure to conclude matters , you can see that freedom becomes corroded in its risk on standing upon what it freely expresses , it becomes nothing more an intellectual pet of the judge .

    The press has had its lashings for its tasteless and darker moments , some have lost there jobs , some on trial for breaking the law around invasions or contempts of privacy , it has had to think hard about its place and position to society. To assume judge based rights to publication is better than editor based rights to publication , is an insult to the meaning of free and of press , for the judge ends up controling the pressing and so to our freedoms .

    The freedom in paying media , is that they lose there freedom if they get it wrong , if there publication becomes a bye word for lies , they dont get advertsiers or readers , they could set up a cayman shell company to keep going bust , but lets not ask leveson if the public should be protected from funny media finance schemes that haevent reduced debt in years nor have any larger backer to bail them out , meaning mr tax payer pays for it .

    The juducual inspection of freedom of thought and expression , is and always will be wrong , if one truly understands healthy democrcay

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      A passing Noob to this site says:

      Fuck me. Not at all boring *has fingers crossed*

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        Innie says:

        I had to Google “Noob” because I’m so old.

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        not a machine says:

        mmm well thats as good as it gets on here (sinks back in sofa , sips a nice Italian red , wondering what Winston may have thought , dreamy spires an all that ahhhh)

        mmmm almost forgot Gay Bishops ….. what a waste of time ….. managed to see aljabeeba version with Maxine Malwhinney and concluded it is a waste of time , liked the one about lesbian bishops ..

        see office of inspector general on cranmers blogg , job decription …… puts it in its proper order for me

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        am a machine says:

        You’re SOOO insecure. It’s hilarious!

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    29th November 2012 says:

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      Mod Botted says:

      This story broke 29th November 2012 when Mark Williams Thomas posted it on Twitter. Guido is blocking the Tweet. Remove the dash before the h.

      -https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/274181776283406337

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    Casual Observer says:

    Not going to polute his thread, but nam #326 : Very well said.

    There is another direction which could have been gone in though in the very perceptive 4th Paragraph: ‘Now the clever bit …. to say what you would like’

    The very clever bit is the conditioning which cause the conditional ‘would’ to be included. There should be no conditional in this context at all.

    Part of the problem with the debate is that people defer to what they should think and express. Fine within the bounds of morality / decency and taste, but that should be a personal subjective decision not an assumed condition.

    Restricting the freedom on the conditional is really what is being spoken to here, and that is beyond Kafka. The debate has to be switched to removing the conditional and addressing responsibility for what is expressed, but not through law but consensus opinion.

    This I guess all stems back to the exclusion of press liberty from the 1689 Bill of Rights. Oh how the law does shape the character of the land.

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      not a machine says:

      Your last sentence was what I was trying to relate , its what judicial inspection of the press creates culturally by interrupting , with another layer …..

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        Casual Observer says:

        Do not read #335 as criticism at all. I got your point and you made it well.

        Your very perceptive 4th Paragraph triggered a flash of a different path my end that I thought worth mentioning.

        Nothing at all to do with press freedom, more to do with freedom of thought and how that is affected subtly by the conditioning of education.

        There are too many conditionals in the broader debate, and that one suspects is due to the ‘unwritten’ nature of part of the UK constitution.

        This is an insidious arrangement which deceptively forces acquiescence to an authority on a matter which should be an absolute right.

        If that doesn’t get fixed this time round, it should at least be something pointed out to future generations to think about. :-)

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          albacore says:

          Ah, but if, perchance, what you might like to say, every time you open your gob, is (for example) “not a machine and Casual Observer are a very well-matched pair”, and regardless of the context into which you insert that statement, is the aforementioned “would”, nevertheless, undesirable?

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          • Casual Observer says:

            If the conditional ‘would’ is consciously added, rather than subconsciously inserted then modifying the verb is of course fine.

            It just struck me that when speaking about something as important as freedom of expression, ‘saying what you would like’ in the context of why the freedom to publish should be preserved is interesting.

            It implies publishing what you would like, rather than just publishing what you like. The second is truly free publishing, the first implies already there is a condition on publishing.

            When I state publish what you like, please do not consider the hyperbole cases which of course legislation and common moral sense should forestall from hitting the press. In thought though there should be no restriction.

            In terms of free speech you should say what you like, not what you would like, as the conditional there implies that you no longer expressing yourself freely.

            I see it as the difference between saying what you want to say vs. over thinking how you are expressing yourself.

            I do not mean to imply that such expression should be made without due consideration or responsibility towards those listening, but that responsibility should be applied critically when you choose to. If you choose not to apply expect perhaps a negative reaction and deal with it.

            Thinking of actions within the confines of conditionals is extremely restrictive and in many ways bad.

            This example may highlight an aspect of thought control, but I do not mean that with any undue prejudice towards ‘not a machine’.

            It is just stood out when I was reading the excellent argument.

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          • @CO

            In this field of normative ethics, we appear to be in the grips of some of the more adverse aspects of part-consequentialism and part-pragmatism whilst those more valuable contributions from virtue and deontology, which gave us some steer in the past, are quickly forgotten.

            Take a simple example: as a bank customer, I expect to be able to deposit money and be able to withdraw it tomorrow, next week, next year or longer and expect it to be there. That situation calls for a deontological approach by the bank and its regulator. Their ability to repay me should be an effect of the way they manage their business and not just a happy outcome – which needn’t necessarily have been the case. (Thank God Diamond did a deal with the Qataris – but they should never have got to the state in which it was necessary to resort to this for the survival of the bank.)

            As a newspaper reader, I want to be served all the “known facts” and left to make my mind up, even though I may take note of opinions expressed. Disregarding the specific content, for the sake of this discussion, the situation governing what the paper can (or cannot) tell me is likely to take us down the paths of either utilitarianism or pragmatism. (In this case, unlike the previous one, I do not want an authority sifting the facts as I cannot be sure that they will do this without fear or favour.)

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          • Culture Watch says:

            @SC

            In the popular press the path will overall be weighted more towards pragmatism: There simply isn’t enough time / space to present all known facts, and there is not really large enough interest in these either.

            The mainstream press is about conveying message rather than fact.

            The dominance of pragmatism is not suitable in all cases.

            On subjects like the three gents above there should be strict fact and a neutral message projected: ie. A utilitarian approach should be followed. This is important as until a successful prosecution has been completed they are emphatically innocent.

            The reader will follow that projection over time, which would help correct the mis-perception of the masses.

            Any deviation from the neutral line will polarize opinion and there is a higher probability of this polarization being towards an incorrect conclusion. This is where the question of what the intent of the message over fact becomes relevant.

            There will be unintended (?) consequencies, as apparent in the warped shift of sentiment toward the cynical: Warped as the message source remains accepted, but the authority or subjects become less so.

            Of course I am describing propaganda which is the reality of MSM.

            There is a ridiculous perception that neutral messages or not reporting is in some way colluding or confirming guilt for apparent crime. This needs correcting.

            This is as absurd as the recent changes to the right to remain silent when read your rights. That only serves to reinforce the bias of presumed guilt.

            A very good example here is the gaming of US mood over Benghazi.

            Many believe that HC faked her illness to avoid testifying. People believe she and BO deliberately ignored calls for help and allowed American’s including the ambassador to die as they did not care. They also have the idea that HC is a liar.

            Sounds credible ? It is untrue, but you may draw those conclusions from MSM coverage.

            When it is understood that direct intervention was a) impossible due to lack of assets in the region, b) dangerous as it would have been a propaganda gift to those in the region to unite against both US and EU forces likely taking the region down and finally c) that HC has in fact been seriously ill it becomes clearer as to what actually happened.

            It is fairer to regard what happened as a trap of sorts which was side stepped. The strategy being followed is flawed, but that is only because Iraq cast serious doubts over the benefit of full scale intervention.

            This is much closer to the truth.

            NB: Going further down the Iraq path takes you to some very interesting questions about similar mis-perceptions re: TB.

            Those details will not find their way into MSM except over time, likely a few months in this case. They do show up in the Foreign Policy journals though and if one looks around (as more people are doing these days) and critically evaluate you can deduce with reasonable accuracy.

            The ‘lens’ which forms the message in UK MSM needs to change as it has been distorted, and it is. But change should not be effected through legislation.

            This blog article is actually pointing this out, albeit through the old lens, which is one reason why on reflection it seems strange.

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          • …until a successful prosecution has been completed they are emphatically innocent.

            That should say it all. However we had this chap called Blair as you pointed out…

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  87. 344
    Blowing Whistles says:

    I am not suborned, kowed or craven under “Duplicitous Media laws” written up by effing ‘protectionist wigs ‘n lawyers who’s ancestors inveigled the crwon and religious houses for their own dirty ends – in order to protect themselves first and then a succession of lessers of MP’s, Pigs and the such as are the lesser tiers of the states self-protection society. Off with their heads and knackers I say.

    btw at Page 12 of the Graph it mentioned Guy Boney QC – funny that! he was said to have retired in 2009 – judicial bar steward.

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  88. 350
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Personally I trapped the comments of a few twitters last year and – OH YES I am going to HANG THE FUCKERS LAWFULLY so to speak – shortly

    AND IT GOES RIGHT TO THE TOP.

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  89. 351
    Anonymous says:

    Now then now then, Mr Rolf of the Harris!

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  90. 357
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Who are the dirty mongrels writing up Davey Boys expected speech and I wonder if they will insert all manner of mantra / key words like wot they did when he and clogg man made an initial acceptance speech in 2010 when they just happened to use the words ‘common purpose’ – come to think of it … so did Obamraman when he was fist elected – how odd – or how planted?

    That speech davey boy ain’t gonna change one thing – the people want OUT OF THE EFFING RUSE – that is the Rothies creation … The EU.

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  91. 359
    Anonymous says:

    Have you had a buyout offer from Rupert Murdoch yet?

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  92. 360
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Get over it – both of the Labour party and the Tory party have sold the british public downthe river for decades – as Peter Oborne alluded to 80% of the elected mongrels are beholden for their thickness to mongrels of a pale colour.

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  93. 364
    Socialists want Puffs made illegal says:

    FFS drama Queen Andy Burnham calls for Sugar Puffs to be made illegal.

    Hasn’t he got better things to do with his time?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2257518/Make-high-levels-fat-sugar-salt-childrens-food-ILLEGAL-say-Labour.html

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  94. 369
    Some 20% of Guido’s readers says:

    He switches to “wimp” mode when he feels he’s under attack.

    It’s pathetic really.

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  95. 374
    Progressive Press Freedom Advocate says:

    Buy a Kindle.

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  96. 377
    The Tosser in No 10 - and planning to be there 'til 2020! says:

    - and Leveson is just the start!

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    • 380
      UK Public says:

      Fine by us, so long as we get out of Europe, shrink government and start having fun again.

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      • 387
        One-term Dave, dragging the Tories to their grave, says:

        I’m going to have jolly good fun, borrowing £32billion (in your name) and using it to bulldoze the Chilterns, what what!

        A white-elephant loss-making HS2 railway. Just what Britain doesn’t want, or need. But by jove! I’ll get a spiffing backhander from my super-rich chums in the construction industry, what what!

        Tally ho!

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        • 394
          UK Public says:

          HS2 could come in handy for shipping some down to the new camps which we hope will be set up in the Ashford area prior processing for repatriation.

          As long as you get England spiffy with a decent industrial base and a serious contender on the world stage again, we will forgive that.

          Sounds like quite a good deal compared with what that last a$$hole did.

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  97. 382
    I don't want to sniff the reeking bums of angles says:
  98. 384
    I don't want to sniff the reeking bums of angles says:

    is the conservative party the bumboys’ party ? bit silly really when there is so much danger in the world.

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    • 386
      I don't want to sniff the reeking bums of angels says:

      *spelldonk* are they mad is the question?
      what is the addgenda ? the scary answer is that they do not have a clue.

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      • 388
        I don't want to sniff the reeking bums of angels says:

        open letter to MPs
        please have a clue,
        make UK independent for food and fuel
        sort out population so that acreage is able to support population.
        prohibit daft religious thought
        any problems ?

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      • 390
        English for Beginners says:

        addgenda ?

        Time for bed, little boy.

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        • 405
          Ban All Bran - it is an offense to toilet pans says:

          Perhaps a case of pigs trotters for fingers? Getting a text from your average builder is head scratching at times.

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        • 541
          I don't want to sniff the reeking bums of angels says:

          yes I looked at it twice and couldn’t be arsed to spell check hence the preface fuckwit

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  99. 393
    I don't want to sniff the reeking bums of angels says:

    I can’t help carrying for the society, it is an aquarian trait apparently, I can envisage a wonderful society. a bit like it was in the past when there were only a few thousand people to the whole island and all food was available to be gathered. now we are making a nonsense of the planet.

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  100. 398
    The Root Of The Problem says:

    Here is a good example of press censorship in a recent article: Daily Mail at fault

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/01/the-medias-self-forcing-sharia-myjihad.html

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    • 407
      albacore says:

      Take care with that link. Even with scripting disabled, my P C did a lot of clicking; W*indows eventually closed the browser under Data Execution Prevention; and the browsing history took an exceptionally long time to delete. A subsequent malware scan came up clean.
      That aside, the link showed a photograph from which an anti-islamic cartoon had been redacted. Somehow, I’m not convinced that it was fear and trembling of Leveson’s meddling that triggered the redaction.

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      • 421
        The Root Of The Problem says:

        Agree – not Leveson, just general censorship.

        Shouldn’t be hidden up – PC B/S.

        Link was fine for me, but am on Chrome and have everything except JavaScript switched off. That wordpress site I think Ok: If you are running IE switching to a different browser is very much advisable.

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        • 427
          Ban All Bran - it is an offense to toilet pans says:

          browsers are browsers – someone has got to find them out if they are playing tricks. They are the “gates” to the world.

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      • 425
        Ban All Bran - it is an offense to toilet pans says:

        hit refresh as soon as you can when your hard drive light goes nuts when after clicking a link. And always use a paid anti-wotsit – used norton for years and they do a good job. And talk to them, now and again, and they will look after you, I have found.

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  101. 402
    Ban All Bran - it is an offence to toilets pans. says:

    Strewth! I thought this was already general knowledge of RH. Mentioned it a couple of times last week – OOPS! slap hand, go in the naughty corner.

    Heard too he has had some sort of breakdown, and was in I think the Priory over xmas. But if he has not done anything wrong, it would have been better to come out with it all.

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    • 406
      Ban All Bran - it is an offense to toilet pans says:

      …and furthermore, what has become of P Daniels pre-empting tactics?

      Or is it still in rumour control?

      But gawd, 1970’s entertainment was awash with dirty beasts, ey? Who’ll be next, Terrance Wagon? They must be all shitting their OAP pants as we speak.

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  102. 415
    Go get 'em Guidio says:

    Its only after a public figure has been named that other victims feel able to come forward as happened when Saville was disclosed as a perv So I’m all for naming them at the outset

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  103. 417
    Lou Scannon says:

    It looks like Leavingsoon will ultimately be responsible for the demise of the newspaper round as well as quite a few newsagents, who will find themselves forced to diversify further in an attempt to survive. After all, this clown’s antics can only hasten the decline of printed newspapers.
    It’s difficult to see why anyone continues to throw away their money supporting the newspaper industry when it’s too shit-scared to publish anything much worthwhile any more. This effect has been very noticeable in recent months; I regularly skim several of the on-line versions of the major papers just to check what’s being talked about but that is taking much less time these days because there’s precious little worth reading.
    I go out of my way to avoid the so-called ‘news’ programmes on main-stream TV channels; they have discredited themselves so often that nothing they say can be believed any more. The same goes for many of their ‘documentaries’ which are often just as bad in being nothing more than propaganda in support of the latest mega-scam.
    All I ask of a news service is that it can and does truthfully report everything that really matters without fear of retribution. Leavingsoon has obviously dedicated the arse-end of his career to making sure that that can’t happen.

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  104. 419
    EU Watch says:

    #1 I am not old holborn

    #2 Anyone notice that Germany is getting more involved militarily around the world and are seriously kicking UK butt when it comes to arms exports:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/06/world/europe/germany-moves-closer-to-accepting-military-role.html?pagewanted=1&seid=auto&smid=tw-nytimesglobal

    They will be manning Patriot batteries as part of Euro / US / UK / Turkish forces on the Syria border in Turkey soon. That lot is due to be in place for the 22nd, which is a significant date for your calendars for a very different reason.

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  105. 430
    Moby Dick says:

    Rolfs rendition of stairway to heaven was the worse offence he ever committed

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    • 433
      Ban All Bran - it is an offense to toilet pans says:

      two little boys was number one, xmas 1970 – I know, I watched it, when I was seven – and I think this was number two,

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      • 439
        Ban All Bran - it is an offense to toilet pans says:

        and may I say two little boys was well promoted by the beeb radio 1 then, back in ’69, for some reason….

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      • 440
        Ban All Bran - it is an offense to toilet pans says:

        oops, xmas 1969 even, new year 1970, I meant.

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  106. 432
    Ban All Bran - it is an offense to toilet pans says:

    Guido – getting a bit pissed orf seeing this “stop funding argentina dotted org” ad at the top right hand side of my page.

    Like the argies I do, even if we have our differences. I am all for a bilateral agrement on that pagan island without people, with their penguins.

    Think it all needs a bit of imagination, non Whitehall foreign oroficed, to tell you the truth.

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    • 544
      Protect the penguins and sheep from Latins says:

      I used the ad as an excuseto talk about the Malvinas, while having a whinge about online ads that slow down things. But I suppose it pays for “things”, so roundabouts and swings and all that. If we all had an ad blocker, we’d be like China – no interesting popular sites.

      But thanks for the FYI, much obliged.

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  107. 434
    Ban All Bran - it is an offense to toilet pans says:

    Now come on…

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  108. 435
    tancred1351 says:

    Two little boys……………

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  109. 442
    Ban All Bran - it is an offense to toilet pans says:

    London, spring, 2015,

    and,

    shilling for a cuppa, sir?

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    • 465
      WVM says:

      Hello Mr Tat, I can see you’ve been up all night posting your random collection of shit music videos again. Next time remember to take your lithium so you get a good nights sleep eh.

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      • 545
        Protect the penguins and sheep from Latin teachers says:

        Ach – it takes all sorts to make a world up, and it is as plain as day that I am a totally different sort to you, thank the lord.

        Bet fence sitting visitors like it, and a few if us foghorns here, of whatever flavour.

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  110. 445
    • 471
      albacore says:

      A bit? The plonker belongs in a cuckoo clock
      Still, you can’t help laughing at such a load of cock
      It’s a good job no-one takes it seriously
      When whirligig Dave blathers imperiously

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      • 546
        Protect the penguins and sheep from Latin teachers says:

        Lives in the land of the botoxed foreheads – numbed.

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    • 482
      Lou Scannon says:

      I guess even Dave can’t do all that much damage in the next 8 hours.
      Has he hold us who will be taking over ?

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      • 547
        Protect the penguins and sheep from Latin teachers says:

        I’d be happy with Boris, as a leftie. Boris as leader of the oppo will be a right fecking laugh at PMQs, post-May 2015.

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  111. 447
    Nick Nicked says:

    So was Leslie Grantham also arrested or not?

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  112. 449
    Owen Jones says:

    *spits out when should have swallowed*…. coffee waaahhhhhaaa

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  113. 450
    I despair says:

    So it’s Bummer Harris? Who’s next?

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    • 459
      Blind Pugh says:

      I do not care who is next .

      I just want the police to finish all their investigations by 1 March 2013 with CPS indictments to be laid by 1 June 2013.

      All Committal matters should be concluded by I September and trials to be held concurrently in December 2013.

      This timetable will not adversley impact upon the draft Chilcott Report which is due to be published in June 2013.

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      • 472
        tourmaline says:

        I read last week somewhere that Chilcot will not now be publishing his report until at the Spring of 2014. He said rather obliquely that he could not publish until ‘certain people’ had responded to criticism of them that were included within the draft report.

        The way I read it was that tonybliar was the one being criticised and deliberately holding up tye publication of the report by refusing to respond. I wonder why that it??1

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        • 484
          gloss or matte finish says:

          While Bliar and Campball can publish their own take on inner cabinet discussions, Gusso Donald decided actual factual reports involving T-B as PM should not become revealed to the inquiry for fear of upsetting foreign interests [USA] involved !
          Publication Spring 2014 ? Doubtful.
          More like when he-ll freezes over.

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        • 521
          Bliar Watch says:

          You may want to keep an eye on events in Syria / Turkey and check out what is coming out through Wikileaks re. the Oil for Blood allegations.

          Seems like the Council Foreign Relations hoodwinked a lot of people over some details of the invasion.

          Remember: Credibility alone must determine whether propaganda output should be true or false.

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  114. 451
    Dave"The One Term Prime Minister" Cameron says:

    Got woken up for sum early morning bullshit from Samantha!!

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    • 548
      Protect the penguins and sheep from Latin teachers says:

      Missed that – did she get her kit out? mmmm, sam, come sit on Uncle Pervert’s brass knobed knees, all three.

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  115. 453
    You have to remove the s from the http to embed the tweet says:

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  116. 456
    HMMM says:

    Has that Welsh nutter gone yet? (peeps around corner).

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    • 466
      Owen Jones says:

      I put a sock on my doorknob to let people know I’m getting busy with another sock.

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    • 502
      Skorpian De Rooftrouser says:

      He is not welsh from birmimgham

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      • 549
        Protect the penguins and sheep from Latin teachers says:

        Where the hell do you get this Birmingham from, I’ve asked you once before? But I suppose Brummy was in Wales once, but that was about 1400 years ago.

        By the way, watched Gervais’ film the other night, written by him and that long streak of piss mate of his – Stephen something, christ he is a lighthouse, with glass at top. Anyway, Brummie, Felicity Jones from Bournville is in it, but she is not a Quaker though, which is nice. She’s going places pal, oscar sometime I reckon, or a golden globe…

        Globes,

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  117. 469
    Mr Gruntfuttock says:

    Cameron implies he will stop Eurozone legalisation of same sex marriage if he’s not allowed to repatriate powers to London. Not sure how that would work

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  118. 470
    tourmaline says:

    The Inquiry into Stafford Hospital where 1200 people died needlessly paints a picture of the NHS gripped by a “culture of fear” as managers became fixated on meeting targets and protecting labour ministers from political criticism during Labour’s stewardship of the service.

    Now who was it in charge at the time? Andy Burnham!! who seems to have since gone and hid!!

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  119. 473
    Owen Jones says:

    Dear David Cameron Please stop saying “When I became Prime Minister.” You are the unelected leader of a coalition government.

    TOSSER !

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  120. 475
    The evil bitch is not for turning, except in her grave says:

    Morning you nasty, racist right wing bastards. The film of your hero’s life, The Iron Lady, is on channel 4 tonight. Those of you who’ve not seen it need not fear a hatchet job. For a film written and directed by two women, one of them lesbian, I expected something at least balanced, but it actually borders on hagiography. So enjoy, righties. I look forward to the sequel coming hopefully any moment this year, The Dead Iron Lady.

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    • 476
      WVM says:

      Oh do fuck off and get back to Blair’s cock you partisan bastard.

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    • 477
      Wind in that neck says:

      I wonder if people will have the same thoughts about Bliar and Brown when they trundle of to face their maker, the local iron works.

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  121. 478
    Pete Lillywhite, Mike Portakabin, Gravel Jammer, Gerry Coughman, Leo Britain, Lord Robberson says:

    Catch us if you can!

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  122. 480
    Protesting too much says:

    Given the bizarre preoccupation with gay sex in the comments every day, anyone would think the posters are obsessed with it. Funny, that.

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    • 483
      Wind in that neck says:

      I find it even funnier that your the only one that notices, that must say something about you, funny that.

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  123. 481
    Party time says:

    Lady Thatcher deserves the best. When the time of her passing comes, she should get a full state funeral, and I hope they arrange for Lady Thatcher to lie in state.

    So that I and others can piss on her and spraypaint her coffin.

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    • 485
      zzzz zzzz zzzz says:

      I bet you don’t, I think you’re just one of those wanky keyboard warriors.

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    • 518
      Iraqi Widow says:

      When Tony Blair dies I hope they invite 1,000,000 Iraqi widows and orphans to piss on his coffin and hit it with their shoes.

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  124. 486
    J Peasmold Gruntfuttock says:

    The PM faces a potential embarrassment after it emerged the Rail Minister Simon Burns takes a £80,000 a year chauffeured car to work rather than the train.

    But in his defence, the poor guy probably just couldn’t afford the fares

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    • 494
      Wind in that neck says:

      Be surprised at that , as expenses don’t matter for him, he and his mates just dip into our pockets, it’s within the rules.

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  125. 488
    Ah! Monika 2013 +1 says:

    8th Feb. An Evening with Rolf. Bring your knitting

    http://ticketing.southbankcentre.co.uk/find/0/tickets/an-evening-with-rolf-harris-70203

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    • 491
      Ah! Monika 2013 +1 says:

      Tickets may be returned for a Credit Voucher valid for 1 year or exchanged if received by the Southbank Centre Ticket Office up to 48hrs before the performance. Refunds will not be available. An administration charge will apply. Please note, from time to time this service may not be available

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  126. 489
    Owen Jones says:

    UK – Survation/MoS poll: CON 29%, LAB 38%, LDEM 11%, UKIP 16%

    What’s it like in the bunker,Dave ?

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  127. 490
    Dave"The One Term Prime Minister" Cameron says:

    The barman said to me, “I’ve hired Guido Fawkes for tonight.”

    “What’s the occasion?” I asked

    “I want to close early.”

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  128. 493
    when I was a lad the rich didn't have heating says:

    A QUARTER of mums turn off heating so they can afford FOOD for their kids.
    Millions more use layers of extra clothes or blankets to keep power bills down, a shock survey shows.
    Six families in ten switch heating off every time their children are out and a third go to bed early just to stay warm.
    But it is the 23 per cent who must choose between heating and eating who are worst off.
    Emigate to Ethiopia,,,,prob solved

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    • 496
      Wind in that neck says:

      We were all better off under Labour and their green laws and Browns fuel escalator and all those windmills with government handouts to build more, strange that, after all Bliar and Brown saved the world, well saved their own money and lived off our taxes.

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  129. 495
    Guido Fawkes says:

    Hard to watch Cameron and not think the media crucifixion of Gordon Brown has cost this country so much & caused so much needless suffering. (myself included)

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    • 497
      Wind in that neck says:

      13 years of Brown and over two years of this thing that wants to carry on past 2015, nah Camoron is a clod and the NUCons should get rid of him, Brown was stuck on like a limpet and pissed other peoples money on projects that a 5 year old would have said were rubbish, he saved the world you know, he deserved all the crap that was said about him and his pretending to be an MP who has forgotten where he’s mainly employed is unforgivable

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  130. 498
    Who took the Santa out of Santander ? says:

    First sensible thing I’ve seen in the press for ages :

    http://tinyurl.com/addqvk2

    Any chance it might eventually bear fruit ?

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  131. 501
    Trial by innuendo and nudge-nudge etc says:

    I don’t know what the allegations against Rolf(or the others) are or whether they are true but it strikes me that there is a world of difference between alleged sex etc with underage girls and sexual shennanigans with those in their twenties at the time. Presumably as they have waited over 50 years before complaining they judged it not too traumatic at the time it being the sexual culture of the sixties/seventies and you have to ask why these women are coming forward now and for what motive and why the police seem overly zealous in this regard. Let’s face it if they are going to question every person who pinched a girls bum or fondled a girl etc or had what was believed at the time to be consensual sex in a time of great promiscuity and sexual licence then probably 90% of the male population (not just celebrities)who grew up in the sixties/seventies(and probably many posting on this blog)could be candidates for having a dawn visit from the local constabulary.

    It strikes me that this is more to do with failure of the authorities at the time to collar Savile despite it appears many in the media and in positions to know of his activities than it does about rooting out sexual misdemeanours that occured over 40 years ago. It all leaves a very unpleasant suggestion that because Savile is beyond prosecution that there is a “witch hunt” underway on very spurious evidence in some cases and is very similar to the “McCarthyite” madness that engulfed the USA in the Fifties.

    I am in no way defending those who indulged in sexual relations with children or under-age boys/girls and they deserve the full weight of the law to descend upon them irrespective of the length of time that has elapsed but I’m not sure that all those whose names are mentioned are in that category and THAT is why I feel uneasy about the police operation as it seems that ALL those interviewed under “Operation Yewtree” are getting labelled wrongly as possible p*ed oph*l*s

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      A very well put and balanced view. One suspects that the posturing going on is at a higher rate of energy than any detective work. Making a splash now appears to take the place of hard graft and critical thinking. It also may be thought to mitigate against the public perception of complacency and inactivity before that they swing the pendulum from one extreme to the other.

      One also suspects that some of the victims see pound signs flashing in front of their eyes. What a surprise…

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        Victim Watch says:

        There will a very small %’age of frauds here.

        In making up a story like this and keeping it credible to point of allowing a CPS case to proceed is not a simple matter. There is a risk of prosecution for the fraudster as well, as evidenced by the Hamilton’s false accuser. (Well done Clifford on that one)

        However, the victim witness programs, which in some circles are known as ‘victim maker’ programs could help coach otherwise dishonest people over the line.

        The notion that anyone coming forward after all this time is only interested in financial gain is very dangerous propaganda message which totally undermines the very principal of criminal justice for historic cases. Not that you are responsible for this, but think very carefully as to what you base your notion and above expression on. :-)

        The phenomena will of course be distorted in the press as being an unusual case, it will be newsworthy, which is a bad for helping form public opinion on this matter.

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          None of us are in possession of the facts (per case) so I was extremely careful in how I couched my comment.

          However, what is an undeniable fact is that a number of well-known names are being arrested without any charges having been brought and, the longer that this continues, the greater the suspicion is that a climate of fear is being created rather than the diligent investigation of actual crime.

          In respect of a very dangerous propaganda message, I appreciate that this above could also be construed as such but the recent (known) history of the police’s modi operandi supports this so, having politicised the ground themselves in the first instance, they cannot be surprised if others respond in kind.

          From my own first-hand experience (as one without any criminal record!), I still have been able to observe this. It is very worrying.

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      Just Sayin' says:

      These “suspects” should not be named. Sh1t sticks, true or not. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty,

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      Culture Watch says:

      This certainly is setting the precedent for a more inquisitorial style of legal proceeding in the UK, which does oddly enough follow from Leveson’s style of inquiry and prior to this Kafka’esque Trials.

      Other than prosecuting wrongdoers and helping achieve some emotional closure for victims, the only benefit to come from this is to perhaps roll back liberalism and allow a more responsible form of liberty to enter mainstream UK.

      The danger with this is a roll back to an odd form of neo-puritanism which would allow the construction of cultural cognitive blocks that enable this situation to repeat itself.

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      Blowing Whistles says:

      Romanski Polanski – springs to mind – but somehow his ‘friends’ or should it be ‘fiends’ seem to be protecting him?

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  132. 504
    P.Mandevilson, the Eminence Greasy says:

    I am intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich….

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  133. 505

    Carina Trimingham on the Daily Mail:

    In their sights, they have a Liberal Democrat cabinet minister, which they really don’t like, and a former lesbian. Good God, all their Christmases have come at once.

    That at least made me laugh.

    As long as her husband remains, like her, a private person, they can do what they like. Just don’t tell me.

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  134. 506
    Owen Jones says:

    Bye Camoron – 107 Tory held seats in which the number of families on tax credits is greater than the Tory majority [Rawnsley, Observer 6.1]

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  135. 510
    Blind Pugh says:

    I have just read on “This is Money” that major UK Banks are to be allowed direct access to our children in their schools.

    I know it is Sunday but frankly any half competent Opposition Party would have been onto this outrage at least three hours ago .

    It would be interesting to have a detailed well reasoned statement from UKIP about this too if they want to form the next Government.

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  136. 519
    Owen Jones says:

    Mummy! Come quick! I did a poopoo in the potty!

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  137. 533
    Keith Chegwin says:

    I’ll get me coat.

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  138. 539

    Banks given four more years to introduce minimum liquidity standards

    More bailout in other words. The lunatics are in charge of the asylum.

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  139. 552
    jack frost says:

    Oh no, not Rolf!

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  140. 553
    evad666 says:

    Leveson is just cover for all Berkow’s boys to rip us off with impunity.

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