January 4th, 2013

Long Arms in the MoD

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Employees from arms dealers and defence firms that have recently signed huge government contracts are currently working at the MoD. Guido has learned that BAE Systems and Rolls Royce, who have been awarded billions of pounds worth of MoD contracts over the last few months, have five employees inside the department. The MoD is also employing a staffer from Babcock, who were awarded a £65 million contract in December. The full list of MoD employees on secondment from private firms that have recently signed multi-million pound contracts with the department is below:

  • 3 BAE Systems employees- £1.2 billion contract signed in December
  • 2 Rolls Royce employees – £1 billion contract signed in June
  • 1 Babcock employee – £65 million contract in December
  • 1 Carillion employee – £45 million deal last year
  • 1 Lend Lease employee – £17 million deal in June
  • 1 GVA employee- appointed to identify contractors for Deepcut relocation in July

Intriguingly, the MoD is refusing to disclose the employers of a further ten staff members currently working in the department. It wouldn’t be the MoD without a cosy relationship between ministers, taxpayers’ cash and private defence interests…


87 Comments

  1. 1
    Military-Industrial Complex says:

    War! What is it good for?!

    Making us rich and keeping wingnut armchair warmongers happy.

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    • 6
      This is how it SHOULD be done!!! says:

      Well it makes a welcome chane for the UK government to give preference to British companies, so I for one and I suspect millions of British workers will not be complaining.

      Compared to Dave’s Swedish Windmills, erected by the Dutch and subsidised by the poor on prepayment meters this is excellent.

      Well done Guido for exposing a GOOD NEWS story at long last.

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      • 27
        Anonymous says:

        corporatism/fascism

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        • 63
          Moe Biddly O'bees says:

          BAE could run defence, Superdrug the NHS, Wonga the BoE, Sutton seeds DEFRA, Richard Dawkins the Church of England, and my aunty can make tea (no sugar aunty and a biscuit).

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        • 69
          Casual Observer says:

          Looks more like business as usual.

          No real fascism per se – defense is usually very much tied in to government.

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          • Pundit Too says:

            No real news here. If you go into BP anywhere in the world at least half the people in head office cubicles are employees of sub-contractors.
            I find it difficult to believe there are as few as Guido states considering the investments.

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      • 87
        Archie says:

        + several thousand!

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    • 7
      Anonymous says:

      Not that different to the union pilgrims is it?

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      • 76
        Dougie says:

        Very different. Most of these secondments are exchange posts. The MOD gains a lot from exposing civil servants to real life in industry and the also MOD gains having commercial expertise embedded in their own project teams.

        It’s been going on for years and a good thing too.

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    • 12
      Owen Jones says:

      Oh yeah, “It’s Thatcher’s fault!”

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    • 18
      Defence v War says:

      Arms do not spell war.

      The fact that the Falklands are protected by missilw batteries has prevented war.

      The fact that the Falklands were not protected by arms gave a military dictator the thought that he could have a war.

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    • 26
      Moussa Koussa's pet meerkat (not his sockpuppet) says:

      Making us rich? So we’re better off after Iraq and Afghanistan?

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  3. 3
    Steve Miliband says:

    Don’t want to piss on the parade, buy maybe they are employed to train MOD staff? Some of the kit will not come with instructions.

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    • 73
      Fishy says:

      Agreed.

      My Dept had people seconded from suppliers from time to time – for that very reason. Defence equipment and its commissioning is going to be far more complex than the systems / IT that we needed support for.

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  4. 4
    Argie Bargie says:

    We need more than if the Falklands is invaded.

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  5. 5
    Harvey Proctor says:

    Spank me, big boy!

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  6. 8
    safeguarding uk jobs says:

    I don’t care how many bungs/bribes are going on at the MOD as long as the contracts are going to British companies. Do you think that Boeing and Lockheed don’t have people on the payroll inside the pentagon?

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    • 11
      Argie Tina says:

      Agree. Better you spend your limited cash on the most expensive equipment in the world. Why buy 12 F-16s when you can get 1 Typhoon with half the range and half the capabilities instead?

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      • 62
        JH45743523 says:

        An F16 has the range of a lawnmower, unless you cover it with external fuel tanks and reducing its already limited load carrying ability. It can’t carry a decent medium range AA missile either. To its credit it is peerless as a local defense dogfighter, wars don’t get fought like that any more though.

        The Eurofighter is ludicrously over budget and behind schedule, but to its credit it can kick some serious arse and is very flexible.

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    • 13
      Well said that man says:

      +1

      It’s good to see a British government doing the right thing for once.

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  7. 9
    Argie Tina says:

    We are invading over the Easter bank holiday.

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    • 79
      Falklander says:

      You missed out on Xmas – always the best time to invade western countries.
      Try Ramahdam for moslems

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  8. 10
    Hanukkas Bazzokas (A Greek Gentleman) says:

    Don’t forget the employees of the oil and utility companies over at the Dept of Energy and the Enronivent….
    Since, the guberment takes more in tax than many of these companies earn in their profits, can we now say:
    GUBERMENT IS A FRONT FOR THE CORPORATIONS?
    or
    CORPORATIONS ARE A FRONT FOR THE GUBERMENT?

    we all know what this, de facto Fascism.

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    • 31
      Moussa Koussa's pet meerkat (not his sockpuppet) says:

      Following ‘3’ above, they’re showing the government how to use said products.

      eg how many MPs know how to put petrol in a car?
      Do they know how much gas and electric cost?
      Has an MP ever tried to switch supplier?

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      • 54
        Hanukkas Bazzokas (A Greek Gentleman) says:

        Centrica who as you know owns British Gas, last year according to their accounts only made a profit of a measily 6% supplying supplying homes. I am sure that will be typical of all the utility cos and probably the suppliers of petrol/diesel the same.

        I made an estimate, the Guberment must be making in about 40%.
        But, the chancy liar and scameron are happy to let them take the blame…Why do the corporations not complain…simples,

        THEY ALL IN TOGETHER = FASCISM

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        • 71
          Casual Observer says:

          All in it together = Collectivism

          The phrase groups automatically, and divides immediately along those who share the proscribed opinion, and those who do not. This usually coerces many who do not to change belief (peer pressure) to help bolster a majority ‘opinion’

          Not fascist, more socialist / communist thought.

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  9. 14
    50 Calibre says:

    Just like the good old US of A.

    Perhaps it’s all about keeping your enemies closer than your friends?

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  10. 15
    Steve Miliband says:

    Perhaps they are part of Labour’s job guarantee scheme?

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  11. 16
    Engineer says:

    There are any number of perfectly legitimate reasons that staff from equipment suppliers should be supporting the purchaser (in this case, the MOD).

    Not sure this has anything to do with lobbying.

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  12. 17
    Ministry of Denial says:

    Why the MOD pays £50k for a toilet seat

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  13. 20
    Simon says:

    Maybe we are planning to ‘liberate’ Scotland!

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  14. 22
    Skorpian De Rooftrouser says:

    Would it not be easier and more effective if all the armed forces/MOD was sub-contracted to the Israelis.

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    • 28
      Talibans R Us says:

      Or the Taliban. They have taken on and beaten all the world’s top armies without one single West point or Sandhurst trained officer and a budget that makes the Samaritans look like corporate giants.

      They must be doing something right.

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      • 35
        Skorpian De Rooftrouser says:

        Its the cost of the uniforms and bungs

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      • 39
        Taliban says:

        You have watches; we have time.

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      • 60
        Hanukkas Bazzokas (A Greek Gentleman) says:

        Look, if ‘we’ ‘win’, the military industrial complex looses business and they will have to crash more planes into buildings.

        It is a happy deal in the ‘Stan, the army fire off things that cost the taxpayer a lot of money and make the fascist leeches plenty, while the Hello Snackbars get to pop at dumb boy infidels using a few bent muskets and bombs made from junk. As a nice bonus they get to make oodles from opium.

        A happy arrangement. Very similar to Vietnam actually.

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      • 81
        Kabulite says:

        Tut tut. Please read your Afghan history. The Taliban are a recent and not representative force as were the previous Afghan forces.

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  15. 24
    Moussa Koussa's pet meerkat (not his sockpuppet) says:

    Here’s the news you’ve all been waiting for:

    “Cameron promises voters ‘a real choice’ over relations with Europe

    However, PM says voters will have to wait until his speech later this month to see if ‘in-or-out’ referendum is on the cards”

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  16. 25
    Owen Jones says:

    On this day in 1884 the Fabian Society was founded. The original think tank.

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  17. 30
    Come on, Tories, come on, Tories! says:

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  18. 32
    Skorpian De Rooftrouser says:

    That was a good day for eugenics

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  19. 34
    Maggie Thatcher says:

    。☆……..☆ 。

    ★。\|/。★

    。 HAPPY 。

    ★。/|\。★

    。☆ 2013 ☆

    I won’t be around for 2014.

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  20. 38
    Moussa Koussa's pet meerkat (not his sockpuppet) says:

    Just about to embark on 636 pages of “When China Rules The World.” Somehow I don’t think I’ll be worrying about m u s l i m terrorism after that.

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  21. 40
    Raving Loon says:

    “War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small ‘inside’ group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.”

    USMC Major General Smedley D. Butler

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    • 55
      Military-Industrial Complex says:

      Yep. Blair and Bush got it down to art form, and Labour went along with it, as did most of the Tory party.

      War = money machine.

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  22. 42
    Operation Crossbow says:

    BBC Ian Watson just described Ed Ball’s plan to give every one a job as “impressive”

    So no bias there then.

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  23. 45

    British Society and British Government have become very corrupt over the last 40 years. Alex Weir, Gaborone

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  24. 50
    Operation Crossbow says:

    Has Balls bottled his radio 5 interview? We’ve got Stephen Timms on instead. Still getting a verbal blow job off Shelagh ‘lefty’ Fogherty though.

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  25. 53
    Operation Crossbow says:

    The BBC seem to be lapping up this job for everyone crap. But obvious question dopey BBC don’t ask is WHAT jobs?

    Are they just going to make up millions more non jobs like lesbian condom enforcement officers?

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    • 59
      Raving Loon says:

      How can you GUARANTEE someone a job? Even if they’re a feckless moron? Even if they’re a kleptomaniac? What’s the difference between welfare and a job paid for by what amounts to welfare? Would you employ someone who could only get a job because the government taxed people and used the money to bribe a business?

      It’s proposals like this that makes me think we’re nearly run by the Politburo.

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    • 61
      Jobs All Round says:

      I’ve got an idea for jobs for the immigrants…1. we could put them to work counting all of the immigrants that are already here. 2. Jobs in immigration control at the airports, and sea ports controlling the numbers of further iimigrants that are let in. 3. Jobs in the benefits and dole offices managing all payemts to immigrants. 4. Jobs in call centres, in order to provide translation services for all of the above positions. 5. Jobs in Whitehall (i.e. cleaning services) at below minimum wages. 6. Jobs in foodbanks to hand out free food to newly arrived and settled immigrants. etc etc.

      What do you think?

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      • 68
        Dianne ASBOT says:

        Been there…done that

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      • 74
        MRSA on my hands says:

        Some of us already work as foreign doctors in the nhs and
        very good we are too,especially the way we look after you white english,
        slave masters……ha ha ha!!!!!!!!Your govs are so gullible…Ha ha ha…..,,
        Care and compassion..you jest cos we dont care as your not of our ethnicity,
        not our people,!!!ha ha ha.Ganja break now……

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        • 83
          NHS CONsultants. says:

          Hey do’n knock it. We learn fast. Check us out in the mornin and we’s come in late and get our tea or coffee first, then consider our work load and pan it out easy like.
          Skive off early as well.

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  26. 56
    Edinburgh Labour voting dogshite says:

    Need to get the stocks up incase those thick Argies invade again.

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  27. 58
    Sir William says:

    I’ve just been reading ‘Wolf Hall’ and it’s remarkable how little has changed since the 1530s. There’s still the same network of Establishment figures, either patting each other on the back or stabbing each other therein. There are the same exchanges of favours, backhanders, placemen and outright corruption. Then as now, there was an over-powerful executive obsessed with its own, largely irrelevant agenda. Then as now, there was a powerful, narrow-minded, dominant belief system that branded dissenters as evildoers. Oh, and did I mention that the Goverment of the day overspent wildly and was deep in debt?

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    • 66
      Anonymous says:

      Plus ca change

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    • 67
      Kcud akcuf says:

      “Wolf Hall” is FICTION, not that I don’t agree with you Sir.

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    • 75
      restore the monasteries says:

      Reading,The Friar of Carcassonne,by Stephen O’Shea About the inquisition in 1300
      .Same sort of hierarchy with terrible acts done in the name of religion.

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      • 85
        Pundit too too says:

        Does this fully explain Toany Bliar’s reinvention to Roman Catholicism?
        I think not. Perhaps his horizens changed on new opportunities.
        Expect him to be Muslim in 5 years time while learning Mandarin.

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    • 84
      Bring Up the Bodies says:

      Wait for the sequel

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  28. 86
    Anonymous says:

    At the bottom of the list: GVA
    Just a nutter then, am I?
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/nov/02/supermarkets
    No doubt “GVA Grimley are giving independent advice on planning matters to North Norfolk district council and we do not act for Tesco in Sheringham so no conflict of interest arises. We also act for virtually every major retailer and the government from time to time.”
    IE the highest bidder!
    Revise to:
    “ABC Snodgrass are giving independent advice on military matters to HMG and we do not act for MoD in Westminster so no corruption arises. We also act for virtually every major arms manufacturer and lobby every government from time to time.”

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