December 19th, 2012

Plebgate: Awkward Labour Poster


  1. 1
    Doktorb says:

    Bit embarrassing for Labour. Go for the auto-react “all police are trustworthy, all Tories are scum” line and… fails them.


  2. 2
    Kebab Time says:

    The Police telling porkies?

    Let me just get a quote from Ian tomlinson or Charles De Menzes, oh wait….


  3. 3
    • 13
      Quiet Bat Person says:

      Typo in the poster: ‘OR’ should read ‘NOR’


      • 51
        Anonymous says:

        From first hand experience “none of the above”.

        We need a means to independently register statements without having first to get past a belligerent police officer. The “filtering” of evidence to serve their purpose
        has to stop.

        We could then hold the Police properly to account when they fail top protect us. No more resigning to escape punishment. It would also have a cost saving side in that any compensation should be dependent on a timely first reporting of the crime.

        We do not want a Police force that seems to be clean due to lack of information emerging, but one that is known to be clean. It is the fact they think they are protected that results in these incidents.

        Ignoring crime is a crime. Ignoring evidence that does not fit their purpose is a crime. But to go so far as creating evidence is just unbelievable.

        If this is the case then justice has to be seen. What about all those real police officers that have to go out daily into the communities. They need to know that they can be trusted. This has to be settled or we are living the end game.


        • 57

          When I need to give the police a statement, I email it to them. Of course, then, an inspector tells me it would be really ‘helpful’ if I come down to the station to give an interview, and I tell him he should have everything he needs, but to feel free to ask for details. So he tells the IPCC that I was ‘unwilling’ to provide the information.

          I have audio evidence that the recollection of police officers is either unreliable in the extreme, or that they intentionally make things up, but they still think I should be happy to rely on their account of events.

          If policemen on the beat were always ‘wired’ for audio, they would behave themselves a bit more. Not to mention, have real evidence when being genuinely abused by the public. Win-win?


          • I have no idea why I typed ‘Already’, when I meant to type ‘Although’. Well, I do sort of have an idea…


          • Blowing Whistles says:

            We all have evidence of bent coppers – but Camoron only wants to address that a Minister has been fitted up – and that that’s serious …

            Plenty of Joe publics have been ‘fitted up’ – [Suits you sir] and don’t M’luds just love it [it’s convenient] when the coppers say just enough in their log / in court – but never question the verasity of a coppers statement!!!

            Finger out from up your jacksee Camoron. Oh isn’t your brother like gordo’s a fully paid up Bar Steward?


          • misterned says:

            If you lie to a police officer, you can be arrested and charged with perverting the cause of justice.

            If the police lie to you to trick you into incriminating yourself, nothing happens to them.

            Hence the police lie with impunity

            Hence the police routinely tell lies in the course of their normal duty.

            Additionally, the police federation, the left wing police officer’s union, were determined to do damage to the government, so being a bunch of left wing lying sacks of shit, they lied their asses off, because that is simply all they know how to do. They cannot accept reality as it is, so they lie to themselves and everyone else to try to create a new reality more to their delusional liking.


    • 17
      Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:

      Poor old Andrew Mitchell appears to have been unjustly smeared just like what I have been. With him it’s the police, with me the media falsely accusing me of being a womaniser, sexual predator, spy and trougher, all of which, of course, is not true. Boaz.


  4. 4
    Anonymous says:

    Don’t trust either. Ultimately they are all on the same side. And it is”bt mine


  5. 5
    None of the above V2 says:

    My moniker speaks volumes


  6. 6
    T. P. Fuller says:

    Neither. And it’s “whom”.


    • 53
      Grammar Nazi says:

      It’s forgivable. “Who do you trust” is understood to be an elliptical phrase, “Who [is it that you trust]?” and so the nominative, as opposed to the objective, is permissible. Hardly a hanging offence, old chap; a horsewhipping will suffice.


      • 82
        Scotticanus Ortus says:

        Who do you trust” is understood to be an elliptical phrase

        Nope. The pronoun “who” is the object of the verb “trust” with “you” as the nominative. It should be “whom”.

        It’s as simple as that, child.


        • 92
          Weygand says:

          No it is not as simple as that. Grammar books are descriptive not prescriptive records of language usage. The “language evolves” argument applies.

          “who do you trust” gets 49 million google hits whereas “whom do you trust” gets 108,000.

          Such an inuquality suggests that in this common phrase ‘who’ is at worst acceptable and is now arguably the norm – innit?


          • Blowing Whistles says:

            In simplicity and simpler English – It’s a classic trick of divide and rule. Make one section argue for the left and the other for the right – when overwhelmingly [as on this blog] – neither are trusted because they both have form.


  7. 7
    Mornington Crescent says:

    Even more awkward if you read this:

    “Police forces in England and Wales must improve plans to combat corruption in the service, inspectors have said. […]
    “It also found a further clampdown on the use of social media, such as Facebook and Twitter, was needed.
    “Offensive language, comments on police procedure, negativity towards work and extreme opinions on government were among the examples, it said.”


  8. 8
    Fluffy the Destroyer says:

    Not the Labour Party.


  9. 9
    The Junta wing of the Labour Party says:



  10. 10
    Shameless Dave the Rave, surrounded by criminals says:


    Don’t forget this when you analyse the economy…


  11. 11
    its bleak in sunderland says:

    I would trust Mitchell


    • 38
      Living in 96.98 percent white Merseyside says:

      Wasn’t he once done for shoplifting in Binns? Or was that an Andrew Mitchell from Roker?


  12. 12
    Fernando DLC says:

    Particularly amusing that the trap everyone was trying to get AM to fall into was that of questioning the police’s integrity.

    Turns out the one thing we SHOULD have been questioning was the police’s integrity.



  13. 14
    I d on't nee d no doctor says:

    Brian Paddock on the Daily Politics – He is a prime example of what is wrong with the police.


  14. 15
    Judge lead says:

    My main client is Mr E Milliband , but I guess I could hover up some more tax payers money on any enquiry


  15. 18
    Terry Ball says:

    Anyone who has been arrested by the police would not be very surprised.


  16. 21
    Angus Tickler says:

    Dirty Labour, quick to smear but slow to check the facts.


    • 27
      Harriet Harman says:

      Are you calling me slow?!


      • 106
        50 Calibre says:

        Well, what do you expect from this daft woman? She is only a senior memn]ber of the country’s law making body. You can’t really expect the silly bitch to have any common sense to apply to simple thngs, can you?


  17. 22
    Operation Crossbow says:

    Brian Paddick was a real hoot on the Daily Politics. He ‘claimed’ that the gate coppers rang thier mate to make up some story to get the incident out in the public domain. Paddick doesn’t think the plods have really done anything wrong.

    So forging evidence, lying and fitting someone up is OK?


    • 35
      Living in 96.98 percent white Merseyside says:

      Mr Paddick listens to his husband too much.


      • 39
        Dickson of Cock Green says:

        Can’t wait to get married


        • 68
          Alexsandr says:

          help the police. beat yourself up.


          • Paddick's experience says:

            Yes I saw Paddick say this…almost as though it was a routine thing that coppers do… get a mate to corroborate regardless of truth..yet no one apart from Operation Crossbow above has mentioned it. Obviously no shock to journalists for I see Paddick was on Channel 4 tonight saying having 20 officers on the case, was over the top.


    • 99
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Mr Pad his prick needs to remember the last time he attended a Lib Dem Conference in Bournemouth – but he suffers from convenient amnesia.


  18. 25
    John Prescott says:

    I punched a voter and didn’t have to resign.

    We stitched up Mitchell with smears and forced him to quit.

    Labour: it’s what we do.


    • 71
      Yates "ex of the yard" says:

      nice one john..ever thought of joining the’s what we do..


    • 100
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Excepting below unread comments and elsewhere – did anyone catch that F-wit [Not fit for purpose] Reid being wheeled out on CH4 news tonight … F’ing commie marxist 5hit head.


  19. 28
    Red Top Headline says:

    Plod or Pleb?

    Readers poll, you decide.


  20. 30
    I d on't nee d no doctor says:

    Margaret Curran on Daily Politics – Unbelievable two faced hypocrite.


  21. 31
    Rupe says:

    I closed NOTW for institutional wrongdoings. Can we get the Met Pol shut and replaced with something that is actually fit for purpose? There is too much scandal swilling around the police.


  22. 33
    lola says:



  23. 34
    Living in 96.98 percent white Merseyside says:

    What sort of question is that to ask anyone from the Liverpool Area?


  24. 36
    Alpha Braincell says:

    Police can be useful.
    MPs are useless.


  25. 37
    Pollys Love Child says:

    Imagine the uproar if the Tories released a poster

    “Who do you trust – the Police or Liverpool football supporters”


  26. 40
    Brent Fraser says:

    It’s still there:

    No law and order questions from EdM at PMQs today either!


  27. 41
    The Labour Party says:

    The copper with a red rosette.


  28. 43
    Poster Watch says:

    The question in the poster is false.

    The real question is: Can you trust the state.


    • 101
      Blowing Whistles says:

      We don’t but they are trying hard to paint everything as being oh so rosy in the garden of England!


  29. 45
    Pitchfork. says:

    “Oxymoron of 2012″

    Trust the Police?


  30. 46
    Anonymous says:

    none of the above


  31. 47
    the poor bloody taxpayer says:

    we can trust the withdrawal-of-labour party – to get it wrong


  32. 48
    Red labour Copper esq. says:

    I am not a Labour Party Stooge


  33. 49
    Anonymous says:

    Mitchell must be a bit daft if he got to the age he is and not realised the plod are nothing but lying thug fucking bastards, arrogant bastards with a liking for screwing their plod mates wives because they are utter cun-ts.


    • 102
      Blowing Whistles says:

      All MP’s have to keep up the ruse of that our police are wonderful beings …

      They [MP’s] are part of the ruse.


  34. 52
    Jack Ketch says:

    The Police Federation, who were so loud about this matter and are now so quiet seem to be involved up to their trotters. A conspiracy? It only takes two people to make a conspiracy.


  35. 56
    Neo Rupert says:

    It’s starting to look a lot like Mitchell


  36. 60
    dick dastardardly mp says:

    There’s no neither option then?


  37. 61
    Jahbulon says:

    Anyone with any substantive experience of the police knows that they are far less trustworthy than estate agents.

    Lots of people are victims of the criminal justice system because of police lies. How would you like it if your spouse was in prison when they had done no wrong? The police have the power to easily stitch someone up. So they do it regularly.

    Just look at the Lynette White murder case to see what happens.

    And freemasonry is at the heart of this corruption.


  38. 62
    Ian E says:

    Neither, obviously!


  39. 64
    BobRoberts says:

    It’s clear there’s wrongdoing on the part of the police… a fit up and creating evidence…

    However, I still think Mitchell called them plebs in an abusive tirade. If he hadn’t actually said anything at all, then surely he would have contested their version of events?

    So, in short – I wouldn’t trust either party here.


  40. 65
  41. 67
    Lizzie says:

    “Neither’ seems to be winning at the moment …


  42. 69
    Anonymous says:

    The answer to Guido’s question is clear : neither is to be trusted.


  43. 76
    Yates "ex of the yard" says:

    Trust me,buy me dinner at the Ivy and I’ll tell you a story about , The Met the best coppers money can buy..and yes duggan did have a tactical nuke in his trousers, and tomlinson was armed too.


  44. 77
    Winninggate says:

    Guido left out ..The Church…Royalty..Newspapers..Bankers..and benefit scroungers…cos none of the above pay tax..


  45. 79
    Soontobere-educated says:

    “Who do you trust?”

    Uniformed thugs with a penchant for lies and violence or suited political criminals with a liking for your money.

    Mmmm. tough choice but I’ll say neither.


  46. 80
    Jay says:

    Is there a 3rd option – none of the above?


  47. 83
    JACK REACHER the 6' 6" 220lb DWARF says:

    How do you know when an MP is lying ?
    His lips move

    If you trust anything one of these odious fuckers says
    then you are on the wrong blog


  48. 84
    Golly says:

    It is not a question of trust .

    I just want my money refunded please.


  49. 93
    Dixon of Dock Green says:

    ‘Who do you trust?’… hard one that…er…neither!


    • 105
      A pint of fine ale, barman, I'm on the lash tonight says:

      Yes – the question was put wrong – who do you trust slightly the least most, I suppose itshould and has got to be,.And since coppers are the puppets of the tories since their time began, it has got to be coppers, just slightly.


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