Mitchell CCTV: Cop Conspiracy
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Ed Balls stretches credulity by claiming he isn’t ambitious…
“I would love to be part of Ed’s Labour government but what I do next for me is not an all-consuming passion. I’m more bothered, in a personal sense, about getting to grade 8 piano by the time I’m 50.”
Bill Quango MP says:
Ned Flanders – Clegg
Lisa Simpson – Natalie Bennett
Milhouse – Hilary Benn
Martin Prince – Andy Burnham
Edna Krabappel – Luciana Berger
Crazy Cat Lady – Glenda jackson
Comic book guy – John Prescott
Carl – Chucka
Lenny – Philip Hammond
Willie – Eric joyce
Poochie – Gordon Brown
Reverend Lovejoy – Tony Blair
We’re fucked.
Mitchell admitted his bad behaviour and swearing. He apologised- what for if he did nothing wrong???? Arguing over the minutiae of the words used is pointless. No one will ever have a verbatim memory of what was said. This is about getting back in power. How many MPs were suspected of far worse offences and never investigated let alone arrested, some even promoted in cabinet!!! We have crooks who did time in jail back in the Lords FFS.
Nice try, but no cigar. The police are supposed to be professional observers and reporters of facts. These policemen are unreliable witnesses.
How can you trust either the police or politicians? They are both part of the state.
Have we been waiting for the Killing III to finish before Sarah Lund was available to look at the tapes?
If it was that obvious from the tapes, Mitchell would have mounted a rebuttal in hours.
There is no story here. Move along please.
It’s just a pity that Mitchell is such an oily, unlikeable smarmfest politician, otherwise he might be worth a bit of rehabilitation – at least enough to stand trial for doling out billions didgy foreigners while running DfID.
Its all to do with timing.
Smoke and mirrors.
This story is released just before Christmas.
By New Year the Plebs will have forgotten the whole thing and Mitchell will be reinstated.
Who runs this Country?
I wonder what Hugh “Gag Me” Grant thinks of this.
First Leveson, then the Panorama attack on the Barclay Brothers and now this.
It looks like the BBC are now working hand in glove with our politicians, “my enemy’s enemy” comes to mind.
I told you I didn’t fucking call them fucking plebs but no one fucking believed me!
Fucking plebs.
It don’t matter non, as world is going to end on Dec 21st.
HaHaHa all you fucking morons who bought xmas pressies. All that money wasted. Ha Ha Ha.
@An officer in the Met who wasn’t there.
Don’t be a mug.
The money’s not wasted if you buy your pressies on credit. ha ha ha etc.
“Arguing over the minutiae of the words used is pointless. ”
Ah, don’t say that, it undermines the whole business of politics.
OK so an MP should, and does, apologise but the police can say what they like, when they like, true or false, regardless of the evidence, and we must all sit back and accept it?
You are Alastair Campbell and I claim my severely devalued £5.
£3.52 in real terms
Which were invested on our behalf in Woolworths Group plc shares in 2007.
I thought you said that you were investing them in that dead cert Comet plc.
Placed on deposit in Icelandic banks.
There is no money left
You’re missing the point.
If the police will fabricate evidence to frame a minister – what will they do to the rest of us?
In other news – Hillsborough inquests quashed today. The police lied to frame people then, too.
A leopard cannot change its spots.
So the alleged actions of one police officer, not even on duty at the time of the incident, tars the entire 120,000 officers in England and Wales?
No – their systematic, repeated dishonesty and political activity does that.
You can ignore the police union’s misrepresentation of the Mitchell meeting too, if you really want to pretend they’re great.
Basically yes, I’ve never met a nice policeman. Cue song sung by Spitting Image.
maybe if he had been shot throught the head seven times, and . . . oh sorry i thought the subject was police dishonesty.
No it brings into question the veracity of the police Log as well.
Yes. Give a man a uniform and he becomes a Hunt.
You have forgotten Hillsborough, and the lies that followed?
and the assault by plod on Ian Tomlinson, , and the lies that followed?
and the shooting of Jean Charles De Menezes, and the lies that followed?
and the Stephen Lawrence travesty, and the lies that followed?
etc.
Looks like the pigs – and maybe others – conspired to remove an elected representative from his government office.
If you don’t think that’s a serious matter, you’re a moron.
Privatise the police.
It is the only way forward, and I still have shares in G4S.
+ 1. I think I need a security guard to protect me from the police.
+millions (of profit)
Anyone remember Steve Coogan going on and on about this on Question Time? Is it possible for a man to make a bigger twat of himself than Coogan manages?
No. Wannabe oligarchs are, by definition, utter assholes. He’ll be buying a newspaper next.
Now shut up and blow me.
Just say he was late, drunk and didn’t have a ticket.
He’s still a C*NT
And you are still taking the p!
The police gave me a push, too. And told lies about it.
Coppers tell lies!
Were I the DPP, I’d be considering bringing a case of treason. We hung Joyce for amusing us of a night down the shelter. His oft opening line of “Hello, you shelter rats”, brought great amusement to my father and I. Seems to me that the emailer deserves to have his head on a spike on London Bridge, at the very least.
Delicious irony, a lying politician complaining about lying police, all alleged of course, but nevertheless delightful.
Indeed!, Oh, how they deserve each other!
Correct! It makes a nice change watching them trying to stitch each other up, instead of the likes of us for a change. Sit back and enjoy, it won’t last.
When did Mitchell lie?
…..or are you just trying to continue the smear?
He’s a politician, being a liar is a pre-requisite for his position.
Understood. Fair enough.
Oh yes !!
Unfair.
He’s a whip so he needs to be a bully as well as all that.
In fact a whip is one of democracy”s biggest enemies!
‘ He’s a liar and being a politician’ etc…. and the Met’s excuse is…?
Mitchell lied immediately after the event when he denied that he had swor. He later admitted it.
Nope he didn’t swear at the copper he swore in the presence of a copper !
Where’s D.S. Challoner when you need him ?
A fine upstanding member of our community was Challoner.
Challenor joined the Metropolitan police in 1951. During his police career, he served in the CID and the Flying Squad before eventually moving to West End Central Police Station in Mayfair in 1962, from here he was involved in policing the Soho area of London. At one point, he had a record of over 100 arrests in seven months and he eventually totalled 600 arrests and received 18 commendations. By the end of his career, Challoner’s modus operandi included punching a suspect from Barbados while singing “Bongo, bongo, bongo, I don’t want to leave the Congo”.[1] Various of his defendants claimed to have been beaten up or have had evidence planted on them but, at first, this did not prevent conviction. However, Challenor met his match on 11 July 1963 when he arrested Donald Rooum, a cartoonist for Peace News, who was demonstrating outside Claridge’s hotel against Queen Frederika of Greece. He told Rooum “You’re fucking nicked, my beauty. Boo the Queen, would you?” and hit him on the head.[1] Going through Rooum’s possessions, Challenor added a half-brick, saying, “There you are, me old darling. Carrying an offensive weapon. You can get two years for that.”[4] Rooum, a member of the National Council for Civil Liberties who had read about forensic science, handed his clothes to his solicitor for testing. No brick dust or appropriate wear and tear were found and Rooum was acquitted, although other people Challenor arrested at the demonstration were still convicted on his evidence.
By the time Challenor appeared at the Old Bailey in 1964, charged with conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, he was deemed to be unfit to plead and was sent to Netherne mental hospital with a diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia. More recently it has been suggested that he might have been suffering from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.[4] Three other detectives (David Oakley, Frank Battes and Keith Goldsmith)[5] were sentenced to three years in prison.
The case of Challenor was raised in parliament on several occasions. A statutory inquiry headed by Arthur James was eventually set up – the first such under the Police Act 1964. It was considered by some to be a whitewash and to have allowed police corruption to continue within the Metropolitan police unabated.[6] In the report, Challenor’s mental illness was blamed for the false arrests rather than a systemic policy of framing suspects. The lack of a follow-up prosecution of Challenor after he was discharged from hospital was also criticised as establishment corruption.[7] Because of this, “doing a Challenor” became a police slang expression for avoiding punishment and prosecution through retiring sick from the force.[8] “According to Mary Grigg’s The Challenor Case, a total of twenty-six innocent men were charged during Challenor’s corrupt activities. Of these thirteen were imprisoned spending a total of thirteen years in gaol. On his release from the hospital, Challoner worked for the firm of solicitors which had defended him during his trial.[6]
I’m renaming you Mrs Copy & Paste From Wikipedia.
The old ones are best.
So we can say that Mrs Moran as, ‘Done a Challoner’.
Those tactics should be taught at Hendon.
no only two things – how to read speeding camera filmand how to fit people up with dna evidence.
Crick’s a good journalist. One of the few.
As looked clear all along, from Mitchells firm, furious, unambiguous denials, was that *either* there was genuine mistake/misunderstanding in the original story, or a fit up. As soon as a flaming transcript appeared, it was obvious it was a fit up. The questions now should focus on, as David Davis just said, WHY???
As DD is leading the precise clinical charge… my betting is this in some way damages Call Me Dave, even if only in his gullibility? Yippee!
A corrupt semi- unionised organisation that behaves pretty much like any other ignorant public sector group and is in need of reform uses whatever means are at it’s disposal to discredit a member of a government that might just possibly tackle this.
Next someone will be suggesting playing Russian roulette with fully loaded guns is dangerous
“unambiguous denials”. Mitchell has never categorically denied he used the word ‘pleb’. He keeps using weasel words like “I didn’t use those phrases”.
It may be clear some of the boys in blue wanted to get the story out, and appear to have been devious in doing that, but I have a hunch the basic story is actually true. There was plenty of time shown on that CCTV to let loose some choice words – Crick is wrong on that.
There is an obvious motive for the police Federation.
Looking deeper though at timing issues, the PR effect may be more important.
If this had been allowed to run to fruition, Mitchell would be out with a tarnished career, job done. That the entire area was covered with CCTV was known before. This police involved may have naively assumed this coverage would never see light of day.
Now that it has, the effects are two fold: i) The met police commissioner may be under pressure to resign, ii) public confidence in the reliability of the police – particularly the met – is now rightly undermined.
There are some fairly sensitive high profile investigations going on at present, in particular the newly announced operation Fairbanks, for which public confidence in the police being negative would be useful for some in government.
Forcing a change at the top of the Met may serve a broader agenda.
Given that there was a clear conspiracy at work here, which must have been orchestrated fairly high up in the food chain, the notion of conspiracy cannot be discounted.
That there is a partly EU funded organization such as Common Purpose with influence in both the police and parts of the government, think in particular Cressida Dick and unauthorized electrician executions, that there may be a conspiracy to force change in both government and the police cannot be discounted.
These influences should be rooted out.
Please note, also, the police’s horror of elected police and crime commissioners. The though of any accountability to the public, however indirect and feeble, terrifies them.
I hope that this is not going to cost the few remaining taxpayers loads of money.
Nothing like a bit of in-fighting.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2250320/Taxpayers–25-000-Met-chief-admits-defeat-libel-battle-officer.html
Isn’t this Bernard H.H character meant to be investigating the plebgate circumstances which more or less mirror the claims and counter claims noted above?
More money being wasted !
I fully support the Levenson enquiry although I haven’t read it. Mitchell is toast. Wunashun Enquiry. Judge led.
When you grow up you may leave your lynch mob mentality behind you.
It’s the only policy we’ve got. Supercilious, sanctimonious socialism.
Not a chance. Either of maturing or of accepting that justice is for Tories as well as socialists. Mind you, Mitchell will remain an A1 5-star Pratt unfit for high office.
Mitchell’s future career prospects bother me less than the fact that the head of the Met doesn’t seem to think that there is anything seriously wrong about the unreliability of the evidence put forward by his officers about these events.
Oi, Schnorbitz, stop fucking dancing on my grave.
I, like others, wonder why they’ve only just released the CCTV? Watch the small print, I bet there’s a bad news story or 2 about to be buried.
Probably for legal reasons.
Until the lying policeman admitted his scam, no one really knew what had happened.
2 [or more] wrongs never make a right !
How can you bury bad news with further bad news.
Bad for politicians on both sides. Bad for the police both individually and as a body. Bad for the media and twitter freaks shouting their mouths off.
Nobody comes out smelling of roses with this one.[With the exception of the investigative reporter]
Still. It will make today’s PMQs interesting.
I had my bike stolen from the station bike rack, covered by cctv. Five months later, the Police are still saying they are waiting for the cctv tapes. I should have said I was gay and the bike was pink so it was clearly a hate crime. They’d have the thief in court the next day.
Shows your average copper is not very bright, CCTV footage has blown his statement to shreds. Nobody did ever explain what happened to the video coverage at Hillsborough from at least two cameras that disappeared, very strange.
Seems strange that the cameras were not off-line for ‘maintenance’.
If this has been available for months, why didn’t Mitchell show it when he was being thrown under the metaphorical bus?
It certainly casts doubt on the veracity of whoever wrote the ‘log’ that came into the media’s possession.
Perhaps Mitchell felt that on it’s own is didn’t prove anything, but now we know the email was a load of bollocks and it also brings doubt onto the police log.
Police a bunch of fucking liars.
No-one had suspected.
Who would have thought it – a Met police stitch up. Not a Life on Mars but a Life in Downing Street. I think the Commissioner had between start packing his bags now. No point in putting off the inevitable. Trying to stand up fro his officers yesterday was just plain daft.
Yes, that was rather odd. Does he not understand that he he has to lead the Met in the manner which the public expects of him?
Facts?
Don’t try to blind him with the facts, sonny! He’s made his mind up.
Not sure about that yet.
He did say that “there was more to this than meets the eye”,and other cryptic comments.
Sure..he also said that “at present” he stood by the Officers story…giving him time for further investigation,and an ‘out’ should the facts emerge that this was false.
To me,the whole thing stinks of Police Federation revenge,possibly underwritten by HM Opposition.
Spot on, best summary of what happened, the PF are just as militant as the FBU except they’re not allowed to strike.
What price Mitchell as next Home Secretary. Oh sweet irony!
Noe that would be fun!
*Now* you dick.
The Filth are always filth.
There are stilll a few professionals left in the police force, but it is sad to see this lot producing unreliable accounts of events. I suppose they and their commanders will have to go.
So it’s OK to swear at police. If you or I did it we would probably be arrested and charged. Try to keep up, Mitchell admits swearing. He should be ashamed.
and it’s OK for police to fabricate evidence ??? Keep up ?? Wake up !!!
And kill innocent electricians.
Bloody dangerous those electricians – make sure you give them a few to the head.
Friday and Saturday nights in any city centre. Get the picture? The police are abused and sworn at. How many arrests are made. Now go away with your stupid post.
Where’s the IPCC Report into the Mark Duggan killing in the summer of 2011 ?
Buy whitewash and bucket shares.
Mark Duggan had a tactical nuke and WMD’s in his trousers…..
Mark Duggan was a criminal, from a criminal family who was being passed a gun.
There is a difference saying fucking help us and you helpless fucker, you dumb twat.
No it’s not and my view is Mitchell should have been fired for the swearing alone (which he admitted to).
However, this story goes well beyond that now, once again it involves the police, the unions AND the BBC (who hyped this story up).
Note Andrew Neil even asked why the Mitchell story wasn’t Newsnight’s top story (it was when the incident occurred) when their main story was some bollocks by (god knows why his name is now being modded) P@ul M@son
The Mason story was indeed bollocks, as the interviewed guests on after it made plain. His whole film was about the alleged rise of the Right in Europe in the current crisis, shock horror, while all those interviewed pointed out that they are in a tiny minority and have always been on the scene. Another Newsnight fail.
Yes but lefty Mas0n is always banging on about the right in Greece when it’s the left rioting
You must use the proper spelling = pawl
Mitchell did not swear at the police, he swore when plod was present, a different thing altogether.
Operation arsefromelbow more loike.
There is a very simple way of having a full and frank publicly held enquiry into this incident.
Summons Mitchel for the alleged S5 POA offence and have it out at the local magistrates court. Have ALL of the evidence presented before the court.
And that includes ALL of the CCTV. I dont for one moment believe that is the only CCTV available of the incident (plus why are time stamps covered?).
Lets get these ‘logs’ whatever they are presented as evidence. Lets hear from the PC’s on the gate. Lets have all the witnesses give evidence under oath.
Then we will know.
I don’t think there is sufficient reliable evidence to justify holding such a trial
Not usre I agree. The original officers have not been challenged nor has Bernie Two Dads (right honourable Tory in charge of the Met) tried to stitch up the two coppers on the gate.
The pleb business comes from the third party, this alleged witness with the email.
Mitchel doesn’t deny swearing at police, he denies the pleb business.
There is evidence of an alleged S.5 Public Order Act offence, put it in front of a court and see if there is enought to convict. In reality that part is no different to any friday night pisshead gobbing off.
All the evidence can then be put in front of a court, under oath and in public.
Evidence under oath? LOL
Evidence under oath? LOL
I was once told by an expereinced magistrate that he can often tell how big a lie is about to be told by watching what height the constable decides to wave the bible at when he is being sworn in.
There was no threat to public order, nor did the language harass alarm or disress the constables concerned, who were fully armed, highly trained profesionals operating in a calm environment in a secure area. Nor did Mr Mitchell have reason to believe that there was any person within hearing or sight who was likely to be alarmed or distressed by his action.
S5 charges are quite common and the courts have a great deal of experience in the situations they expect charges like that to be brought in. This is not such a situation. Such a charge would be laughed out of court.
Please explain that to “Legal Eagle” who I pray to God is not in the CPS.
When you look back at the Mitchell case it all stems back to labour. If labour hadn’t fucked up the economy none of this would have happened.
Labour, the parasite party, just sit back in complete denial.
The media that attacked Mitchell should turn their attention to labours past recod under Blair and Brown, and this latest bunch of labour shits. FFS is the media in this country so dumbed down they cannot see anything.
Miliband, Balls, Harman, Bryant, Watson et al should be hounded, not the likes of Mitchell.
What has this country become?
A Country fit for immigrants !
Vote Labour, vote often!
Way back in the 60s the Unions decided who could work for the newspapers. Only Labour supporters allowed. That is why all the current editors are Labour supporters. They all started out in the sixtys.
I am sure the press will turn on Labour when we have the next election. The press are most interested in making money. To do that, they will keep back the best stories for when they have the most impact, otherwise people will just get bored.
Damian Green’s totally unjustified arrest needs reexamining, too. What kind of ‘democratic’ country arrests MPs without a shred of evidence? Who ordered that arrest?
Not a shred of evidence? Green allegedly induced civil servant Christopher Galley to leak sensitive Home Office documents. When Galley was fired for gross misconduct he said that he had been assured by Green that he would be looked after if he did Green’s dirty work for him.
If they want to collect our texts and emails – will they also want to doctor them too?
If Mitchell is cleared, why didn’t Cameron ask for the CCTV tapes in the first place?
Cameron did get a senior civil servant to investigate, even the “police” witness.
The civil servant concerned has failed us. He can be replaced. Plenty more waiting for their turn at the top.
It would of taken “intelligence” Dave has no inntellygents (CCTV in the bogs)
Two all beef patties, cheese, lettuce, pickles, onion and special sauce in a sesame seed bun.
That just about counts as a salad day for you Tom.
This is standard police procedure, and if Mitchell isn’t already aware of that, he really is out of touch enough to consider, and call us, us plebs (but that’s still not a crime, even if it is offensive).
Six paras down (the MP was Tom Harris, by the way, big and ugly enough to take a bit of crudity): http://trollhunterx.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/buddy-can-you-spare-a/
The police are as bent as an old horseshoe.
Select officers on diplomatic and official duty making up stories? An utter disgrace.
Lefties are up in arms over new film Zero Dark Thirty, which tells the story of the hunt for Osama Bin Laden. They’ve accused it of justifying torture. The Guardian’s called it CIA hagiography. The makers say there’s no agenda, they’re just showing what happened.
Leftie world, leftie world, everythings great in leftie world.
Nice try, but this is a post about the behaviour and management of the Metropolitan Police and the inability of some officers to provide reliable evidence.
Will there be a bike rack and CCTV?
Having seen Crick’s report last night, a few questions popped into my head.
Was the “witness” a colleague of the officers actually on duty?
Did he discuss the incident with the said officers?
Is he a Police Federation rep or other office holder?
Did the officers on duty have any knowledge of the email and the claim of various witnesses? (If so, did they remember any members of the public being around at the time? If they did not recall any witnesses being around, did they question the validity of the email?)
Even if Mitchell did use the word “pleb”, the email incident does undermine the reliability of the Met in this case. Especially if turns out that the “witness” is a colleague of the officers on duty.
It is either a total stitch up of Mitchell or at the very least a serious case of embroidery.
Ask Mckeever the chairman of the po lice federation.
Apparently the answer to your first question is ‘yes’, he was a member of the Diplomatic Protection Group
The officer sent the email pretending to be a member of the public and has admitted he was never actually there, which is a good idea as CCTV shows no one there as well.
Are any of the police involved “Graduates” from Common Purpose??
Good thing no police officer ever complained about my violent outbursts.
Are these police officers based in Savile Row police station? Because they’ve fitted up Andrew Mitchell right proper.
Now then, now then, Jim’ll fix it for him. I know people who know people, as it happens; ‘taint what you know, ‘taint who you know, it’s what you know about who you know– and my people know stuff about people they know.
The Officer was clearly under severe stress through overwork caused by the cuts.
He should be promoted like me after my success in controlling the murder of de Menezes
‘Brutal’ cuts Cressida, ‘ brutal’ cuts. You must get the terminology right.
Cressida is a Common Purpose “graduate”.
I’ve a nasty feeling we’ll all be discussing this even after the world has ended on 21st December.
Yes but if the world does end the left will blame it fatcher
I wouldn’t bet on it
I see that the police federation have gone into hiding, journo’s have been trying to contact them but with no luck.
That is a pity. They have a lot of explaining to do.
You cannot hide for ever.
Oh yes you can.
OH NO YOU CAN’T!
Anyone asked Mckeever what he knows?
If they can order the murder a scientist , make people believe in weapons of mass destruction , feather their own nests be involved in the news international scandal and get away with it , and still get people to vote for them
Then i’m sure they can find someone to alter a piece of video tape
Nice try, but no cigar. The people who have been providing unreliable evidence are in the Metropitan Police.
No cigar either for anyone who believes a single word any politician utters
they resign (for doing nothing wrong) and within months their lying thieving corrupt faces are back in government
Lol so what you are saying is the BBC/police/ Labour are all rightness and truth and the Torys are part of a evil conspiracy?
LOL truly mate you need help and I mean real help thank god there’s gun control with lunatics like you around !!
Was Sally Bercow the witness?
If she was..she may have misheard Mitchells’ outburst.
He would have said..”You fucking Clegg?”…and she heard it as..”You fucking pleb”
If what Mr Crick is telling us is true then our Prime Minister has had to run the seventh largest economy in the world with the assistance of his second choice Chief Whip .
Importantly when Mr Mitchell resigned he would have received several payments by way of compensation and his successor probably got some expenses as well .
If there had been no conspiracy this money could have been used to clear the national debt .
I hope that when people responsible for the conspiracy as outlined in a very fine piece of investigative journalism by Mr Crick are brought to account there will be adequate compensation paid to the State .
This would simply be the right thing to do.
I am right behind you Loopy .
I hope and pray those responsible are up before the Beak in the next few days as this whole sad saga is really spoiling my Christmas.
If things get any worse I may have to visit my doctor and consult one of those no win no fee lawyers.
I am voting for Michael Crick for Journalist of the Year.
A knighthood would be fully merited.
Thank you God for giving us Michael Crick and Channel Four.
Channel four is partly funded by the bbc
I hear on the radio this morning that more that 4,000 civil servants are involved
in the not paying tax at source scam.
Sack them. They are surplus to requirements.
I knew someone who worked for the Council once and he was bragging that he hadn’t paid his Council Tax for two years.
Why the Council could not operate a policy of no Payslip without details of payment of tax is beyond me .
I mean to say if you want to open a Bank account a brokerage account or even buy a house you now have to fill in multiple forms and give your date of birth and national insurance number .
No wonder the country is in such a mess.
Yvonne I live in Carmarthenshire and it is sad to say that a lot of the councils are corrupt and I’m sure that the rest of wales is the same, sad but true you find that a lot of people that get elected are ex council workers
That sounds complicated.
Do you work for the EU ?
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Carmarthen has been in decline ever since Lloyd George’s daughter left.
The police are found to be a bunch of corrupt liars. Politicians are found to be a bunch of corrupt liars. So what happens? They threaten the freedom of the press.
There is no evidence here of corruption as such. There are concerns about lies. Let’s deal with the lies shall we, and not get too over-excited.
I’d have thought lying,collusion and a cover-up constituted corruption.
This is corruption. If you do not know what constitutes corruption, look it up in a dictionary, there are some on the internet.
When Welsh frontman of the Lost Prophets Ian Watkins said he had shagged a kid he was immediately charged for underage sex crime.
What the police will later find out is that the the “kid” was a goat from the valley.
Lie’s all lie’s I live in the wilds of Carmarthenshire and I can state that there is only lambs in the valley where I live
The BBC are not happy. For starters the BBC failed to mention this morning that the Police log is now in doubt as it makes mention of the many people who overheard Mitchell swearing yet CCTV shows no one around.
NOTE. When Mitchell is supposed to have sworn and muttered the ‘Pleb’ words he was walking to the side gate and was behind the police box so even if people had been at the gates (and remember there are outer gates that stop you getting right up to the main gates) it would have been difficult to see who or what was going on.
You need to play the CCTV side by side which is probably what Crick did on C4 news. But when Mitchell gets to the side gate the two people we see go walking past, at this time the alleged swearing is over and if you look at the CCTV they don’t stop or approach the gates.
Also, for most of the time the plods had their backs to the road so they would not have seen easily who was passing by. There was also a claim (not sure if in police log) that the incident was filmed.
Note Kevin Maguire the big nosed geordie twat was on the BBC spinning the same lies about this story.
No one doubts Mitchell swore at the plods and he probably should have been fired for that alone. However, if the police have conspired to fit Mitchell up this is very serious and even big nose Maguire should be concerned. One suspects that the police federation are involved here. The BBC totally failed to report the fact that the police federation distorted the outcome of their meeting with Mitchell at his offices, something the bloke from them admitted last night.
This whole thing stinks from top to bottom and once again shows we have a police force out of control.
One other interesting fact is why Channel 4 got this story and NOT the BBC? Could it be Mitchell didn’t trust the BBC to treat him fairly?
Good points well made. I wish the reporting would now stop using the word ‘eyewitness’. You cannot be an eyewitness if you were not actually there. I wish I could explain this better. Even former eyewitness is wrong.
Would former alleged eyewitness be correct?
“Iwasnotreallytherewitness” do?
whats that wee bit in the email scrolling across the TV screen about taking photos with a nephew hoping to see a famous politician…
Another awful ‘interview’ on Toady this morning. I’m not sure if it was Evan Davies or Justin Webb, but the interview continued in the same vein as that of Osborne…talking over the interviewee continually, not letting them answer the question.
Tellingly the BBC line is that, that seems to have been agreed by lefty activists;
- that there is nothing new here. What has emerged changes nothing
- that nothing threatens the main allegation that Mitchell called the police, ‘plebs’.
- even if he didn’t he swore at them and that was sufficient for a resignation
- as the Deputy Chief Whip effectively blew the whistle, it shows up deep divisions in the Tory party
Quite bizarre. Davies or whoever it was, in their defence of their rabid attempts to get Mitchell (and have found that it has blown up in their face), have lost their minds; ignored completely what Crick has dug up and in doing so, have ignored what might be a serious criminal and constitutional conspiracy that should concern everyone in this country irrespective of what partly leaning they have.
Finally it also occurs to me that when Cameron ‘backs the wrong horse’ in these sorts of arguments, we never hear the last of it from the BBC. Where is their questioning of Miliband’s judgement this morning? And I don’t see the BBC on the streets of Sutton Coldfield asking voters what they think of their MP being ‘fitted up’, as they were when accusations of his wrongdoing broke several months ago.
Time to close the BBC down
BBC employees all smell of piss.
Amazing isn’t it that when it’s ‘phone hacking’ the BBC were braying for blood every second of the day and running byline after byline how crimes were covered up.
Have been listening to Bernard hyphon Howe in the last couple of days seems to be scrabbling about trying to clear the plod
Of course he’s a plod they all stick together.
We are all in this together.
Like shit to a blanket you mean? Is he a member of ACPO perchance?
BBC also spinning more lies today. Steve Hewlett is always on the BBC for a pro BBC sound bite. Note the BBC NEVER point out he works for the BBC, he’s just called a media commentator. As he works for the BBC he’s hardly likely to say anything negative.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dv9hq
Rod Liddle was also on the BBC sticking up for Newsnight. Liddle claimed that as we’ve never seen the Newsnight report into Saville we can’t comments. But Panorama RAN the stuff they had (the story was incomplete) but Liddle failed to mention this.
Excpet to see a massive spin and cover up from the BBC today.
Police story’s changing fast and how
It isn’t fit for MPs now
You’ll be surprised says Hogan-Howe
Swarm over, Filth!
Apologies to John Betjeman
Tell that copper PC Hogwash that the people want the truth and they want it by 5.00 p.m. this afternoon .
Hahahahahahahaah you’re new here…
I can understand the police federation delay.
They are presently busy working on a song for Christmas.
Rumour has it the title is ‘You’ll never walk a loon’.
Lest we forget:
Plod and Damian Green.
Where is Mr Galley now ?
Are you related to Lobby Lud? (Asked in anticipation of yet another £5!)
No, in a work of police fiction, it would be Kolley Kibber.
How gay!
At least Green wasn’t shot in the head like me!
But you were waving a Samurai sword, two assault weapons, three hand guns, and four hand grenades. We were fully entitled to shoot you dead. We don’t mess about with tasers.
Why has it taken so long for anyone to notice/point out the discrepancies between the police report and the video evidence?
Hopefully, they were checking their facts and making sure they knew enough to prevent further lies and smears being doled out as pary of any cover-up.
Look, guys. In my video editing suite (I’m a TV producer), I’ve being trying to fit a recording of my voice – in the roles of Mitchell and a Downing Street cop – with the exact words in the cop’s log over the relevant CCTV footage by that gate.
The only way it can possibly be done is to speed up the sound track so much that my voice sounds like Donald Duck on a double dose of amphetamines.
QED for the former Disgraced Minister methinks.
Hope you don’t work for the BBC mate….that post could cost you your job!
In olden days, sure did. Nowadays, have my own outfit. I’ll to sack myself.
Give yourself a double upgrade first (to enhance your final salary pension levels).
I agree, the whole thing stinks worse than Tom Watson’s arse.
Whatever words were exchanged between plod and Mitchell there is clearly a huge discrepancy between the original account and what we see on CCTV. Where are all these “shocked” onlookers? Where is the bloke with his nephew? Where are the passers-by allegedly videoing the incident? Come to that, where are the vids?
All I can see in one bloke ambling past glancing disinterestedly in their direction.
Since this part of the story is so obviously wrong, it casts grave doubt on the rest.
Plebgate is so last week, who cares, politicians and police both require a major look at by real independent people like druggies and thieves and car speeders , I keep wondering why has this come back to the front, is there something else going on we are missing.
It may be last week but the implications are huge. A senior politician has lost his job and the “pleb” word has done serious damage to the Tories (not that I care much) having been milked dry by every commentator and socialist vermin.
If it was a fabrication – and there’s reason now to believe it was – then whoever invented it should not be sleeping at night.
Equally worrying is Hogan Howe, who stubbornly claims he has no reason to change his mind when the rest of us, with no formal training in observation techniques, can see it’s a stinker.
Spread the blame, spread the blame’
You’re right…if a member of the public had videoed this…it would have been either uploaded to YouTube or sold to the tabloids…the fact that no mobile phone footage from allegedly “shocked bystanders” has surfaced makes it’s own point as does the lack of any actual bystanders nearby at the time let alone one with his small nephew !!!
I see the BBC have other reporters camped out on their front door, always thought when the reporting is about the reporter then the reporter has a major problem, namely why the hell are we forced to pay for a company, that has major problems itself, time to close or sell off, then it can be like SKY tell people what it’s proprietor thinks, not what they BBC is doing now, telling us what the EU thinks.
“John Tully, chairman of the Metropolitan Police Federation, which represents officers in the Met Police, said: “The Metropolitan Police Federation unequivocally and categorically refutes any allegation that it was part of a conspiracy to unseat a cabinet minister.” – Beeb web site.
Has anyone actually accused them yet?
Don’t you just hate it when events go off-script? Someone go and get me another line please
I wish people understood what refute really means.
They use it as a more emphatic form of deny but the real meaning entails factual proof.
Sounds like an admission of guilt to me.
“Duggan was under investigation by Operation Trident, a subdivision of the Metropolitan Police. Police allege that Duggan received a Bruni Olympic handgun, fifteen minutes before he was shot, from Kevin Hutchinson-Foster. A trial of Hutchinson-Foster in September–October 2012 yielded new evidence and reports on the case, but the jury failed to reach a verdict. A public inquest on the Duggan killing has not yet taken place, although the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) is conducting an ongoing investigation.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Mark_Duggan
Detectives investigating historical claims of sex abuse linked to TV presenter Jimmy Savile have arrested a man in his 70s in London. The man was arrested at 06:30 GMT on Wednesday on suspicion of sexual offences by officers from Operation Yewtree. He is now in custody in a south London police station. The Metropolitan Police would not name the man or give details about the allegations.
Arresting a man in his 70s at 6.30am is as easy as falling off a ****
Are you implying they’ve arrested Hairy Webb?
It was the fiscal cliff that the news mentioned when I listened to it.
Wasn’t he supposed to be the one from last week? Maybe there are more cliffs than we know about
Newflash politically correct PCs tell fibs
Thank goodness New Labour (remember them?) purged that wicked “canteen culture” of upholding the Queen’s peace without fear or favour, eh?
The canteen got shut as a result of all them cold cuts we keep hearing about.
The Met are horrible Plebs that smell of piss and jealous their betters such as me and my fag at Eton David Cameron.
Whilst we’re on the subject of the BBC spouting rubbish. Did anyone else catch Nicky Campbell waffling on about US drones this morning?
Apparently Peter Oborne had a go at the BBC for making a big fuss over kids being killed by a gunman in America but ignoring the hundreds of children and other innocents being killed by US drone strikes.
So Nicholas Campbell did have a chat with a couple of people….but forgot that it is his beloved Obama that has really racked up the drone strikes and of course not once did the worlds “President Obama” pass the lips of anyone.
Remember when red neck ‘Booooosh’ was in charge? Remember how whenever a drone killed people the BBC ALWAYS showed us footage and called it a wedding party?
When was the last time you saw that on the BBC? When was the last time the BBC called out O’Bumma for using hundreds of these drones to kill people without a trial? The BBC like to big up the Nobel Peace prize President, but he’s slaughtered more kids than Boosh or Bliar could ever dream of.
Nicky Campbell
Victoria Derbyshire
Richard Bacon
Not fit for purpose.
You have to remember the BBC has to keep the Obummer-one clean and pure for their moments of personal pleasure !
Have an other donkeys also seen the stick holding the carrot?
Don’t know what you mean but I like it
Maybe I am paranoid but every time this government (and by that I mean the quisling Cameron) are mentioned or say anything, I immediately look for what they (he) are trying to divert us from.
Putting it simply I do not believe a word that these sub humanoid parasitical politicians utter any longer, or the jack booted Junta of the Labour party (the police).
Plod used to investigate Brink’s-MAT.
Now they couldn’t investigate a set of place mats.
Are you saying that the Queen’s gift was hooky?
Not plebby enough?
I meant to post Too plebby but the spad made me change it.
Meanwhile, away from this childish rubbish, Jan 1st, when our borders will open to millions more Eastern European peasants, rapidly approaches and the government does nothing except watch it happen.
Don’t worry – it’s January 1st 2014, not 2013. Which gives us ample time to look forward to, say, June 2014, by which point hundreds of thousands will have arrived, their hands outstretched for our money, social housing becomes unobtainable, wages fall, unemployment rises, schools/hospitals buckle under the strain, crime increases, the benefits bill goes through the roof and then, on TV, live before the cameras, David Cameron says.. drum roll.. “we had no idea so many would come here, how were we to know?”
Thank you for that correction, however I remain extremely concerned, even if I now have a year to wait before the further Catastrophe.
Look we only report lies against the Tory party, you all know that so let’s move on.
Vote labour vote labour vote labour
I taught the BBC everything they know.
Thanks for the ideas Herr Goebbels.
Another great story by Crick.
Shame it’s two months too late.
Better late than never. Truth will out. Except on the BBC, of course.
What about the petty stupidity and tin pot power play of the cozzer not to open the ‘big’ gate in the first place?
He refused because to do otherwise would have entailed him completing, in triplicate and 5 other languages, the necessary risk assessment and environmental impact assessment forms.
I’ve got a crick in my neck.
We used to call it,’ pleading on the head’.
FFS will all you hysterical blouses just hold your horses and wait and see what comes out of this. What we have is a report in a newspaper of what is allegedly in a police report. Why is everyone repeating the obvious untruth that the CCTV shows no members of the public around the gates at the time when it clearly does. One bloke is even seen to do a double take and turn to look directly into Downing street at the time the incident is said to be occurring.
FFS…the log apparently says that several members of the public witnessed the argument and were distressed……one bloke ,who doesn’t seem to be bothered,does not constitute several.
And…if these ‘several’ were so upset,why have they never appeared (or been traced) to corroborate the statement by plod, given that it would be a nice little earner for them??
Nice try…should do better.
The emailer claimed that he was with his nephew. Now where is there 2 people together on the video?
Labour party rebuttal unit?
Labour put him up to it
Did they share a common purpose?
Perhaps the lying copper who sent the dodgy email is a fully paid up member of the labour party?
I think we should be told.
This is clearly a smear for political purposes.
So when will all the Labour MP’s involved in the feeding frenzy that lost Mitchell his job start apologising?
They never apologise because they’re lying filth
I thought Plod enjoyed exclusive use of that epithet…
‘Labour MP’ and ‘apologise’?
Yeah. Look! Look in the sky! My word! Flying pigs!
Millibandwagon made a meal of this in the Commons.
Let’s hear him say sorry to Mitchell….
Lefties NEVER apologise. They are spineless cowards.
Milliband should apologise to the House for insisting Mitchell was “toast” and should resign.
Terrible lack of judgement from the leader of the opposition. Not fit for purpose. Taken in by lies.
Mind you, labour are so up to their necks in lies and deceptions that Milliband must be confused as to what is actually true.
Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.
Much better that this story is making a splash this morning rather than UBS.
ll in good time…
When this story broke, I posted here that my confident bet was that Mitchell had been “verballed” by Plod, and I was cordially mocked for suggesting that members of our noble constabulary would ever stoop so low as to lie.
Well, they did, didn’t they! They do. They will.
Long ago I studied Law, but I never practised it. That was partly because of the ghastly, sanctimonious lawyers I met, but mainly because of the police. I did some holiday work, while at university, at the practice of an old chum of my father’s – courts, prisons, Borstals, divorces. Dad, an old-style neon-blue Conservative, asked Hugh if “all these stories about police corruption” had any merit, or were drummed up by “lefty troublemakers”. “No, they are true. In my experience, about 90% of the Met are to a greater or lesser extent corrupt.”
Now, things have undoubtedly improved, and the really serious corruption (at the top of the tree) has been largely cleaned up. Nevertheless, it’s still there, and although there are unquestionably many good cops, the safe assumption, when dealing with the police, is that they will twist, misreport, misremember, corrupt, ‘lose’ evidence, inflate offences, misquote and … verbal! Many of the police seem to think that, because they embody and enforce the law, the law doesn’t apply to them, and they are free to work to a different standard or morality, one that they may decide for themselves.
Happy to have finally been vindicated by Michael Crick and Channel 4, with that I rest my case, M’Lud, and am now happy to leave the matter in the hands of the jury.
You are right, there are many good cops. Unfortunately there are quite a few thick, ignorant jobsworths among them too.
Just ask my missus. She has to listen to them in court every week. Her view of HM constabulary is not the same as it was before she became a beak.
I used to practise criminal law.
Many clients I represented were acquitted.
It was almost always because the juries were quite willing to believe that the police lie. On oath.
‘Verballing’ was rife and remains standard practice….the magistrates will always support Plod, but not so a jury. When a jury sees inconsistencies between notebooks and testimony, they draw the right conclusions.
Plod usually decides whether the arrested person is guilty or not, and then fits him up accordingly, usually in the verbals, often in interview although that practice has been significantly curtailed over the years.
Mitchell was an obvious victim of being ‘verballed’.
C’est la vie !
PS: The difficult bit is that Mitchell deserved it……
Excellent analysis.
Except you missed out the bit where they are in a secret society with blood oaths to look after each other and fellow freemasons as an ultimate priority. It comes well before obeying and enforcing the law.
We taxpayers finance the uniformed branch of the freeemasons.
A third of all reported crime is not investigated because of lack of police resources. If the victim of a crime is a freemason it is not improbable to think that there is 100% chance that it will be investigated. If the perpetrator is a freemason what is the chance of it being investigated?
Every time I hear a police car siren I think that the master of their lodge has got a blocked toilet and they are rushing to fix it. Because that is not too far from the truth about the British police.
Our Police are the best liars in the World
The best force that money can buy (since that Chinese place was handed back by Fattypang to the original owners).
The police had a great reputation in the 1970s. When I can lie my heid off too.
Witnessing several innocent bystanders being beaten about the head with truncheons in a bar off Oxford Street during the anti-Iraq War demo cemented my view of the Met.
The full report is much more interesting:
http://bcove.me/2vk5tasx
Pretty damning, the met have been caught ‘bang to rights’ this time and the political motivated ACPO as well, can we expect some resignations?, not to mention criminal proceedings and sackings where appropriate, oh and a full apology in the house from Millitwit.
Oh, I love this.
The mystery emailer (16:03) starts by saying he *didn’t* witness anything, but it soon becomes clear that he’s lying shamelessly because he doesn’t feel compelled to speak the truth, on the grounds that he thinks the email to his MP should have been ‘confidential’. I wonder, is that the belief on which he and the rest of his mates based their willingness to tell a pack of lies? Make it up? You couldn’t, but apparently they can…
If it now also comes out that the PC ‘eyewitness’ is a Labour party member then all Hell will break loose.
I’ve had enough – time for a drink – anyone know a good pub to go to in the SW1 area around 4:30 today?!
The BBC won’t mention that.
i can see this all turning out badly for the plod and bbc if the third party is a labour party member or connected with them. the tories will be all over his background,
http://fxbites.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/medium-or-message.html
So the BBC and the Coppers Union conspired to bring down a Government Minister appointed by Her Royal Majesty.
Who would have thunk it?
The cheating left.
They don’t understand the meaning of fair play.
The BBC have surely broken their charter by engaging in the worst kind of partisanship.
Bring back hanging
News Editor – Guido Fawkes blog
The successful applicant for this high profile role will have to:
Be able to spell
Use English grammar and syntax
Get out of bed before noon
Drink copious quantities of 4-star (brandy not petrol)
Be able to put a floosie down for long enough to do his job
Apply with CV to Guy Fawkes at Order-Order.com
Have our members been consulted?
You would not be making an oblique reference to the foibles of a gentleman who is apparently not acquainted with the use of a comb, would you? (It’s the “floosie” part that’s throwing me off– wouldn’t he be (*ahem*) a bit incapable that way following the 4-star?)
Post Leveson, any job vacancies in any media outlet will be vetted by us.
Statement from your BBC - Look, we dealt with all this nonsense weeks ago. Mitchell was fired in disgrace and Ed got a good poll boost. Clearly Channel 4 have fallen under the malign influence of right wing press barons and we’ll be asking for a judicial enquiry into this in due course. Meanwhile will all you f*cking plebs just shut up about it.
Ed Miliband should hang his head in shame for promoting this lynch mob bandwagon. He won’t so just hanging Ed will be an easier solution.
I do like bobbys helmets though
I especially like black ones
Hope Bryant has put a new pair of boxers at the top of his Christmas list.
I asked right at the start of this business what precisely the police’s objection was to Mitchell using that gate, and if a rule had been changed? Now we *know* that there’s been duplicity, perhaps that matter might be looked into? Maybe it would prove inconsequential, or maybe it would open up a whole ‘nother can of worms…
Facher.
It’s all Fachers fault.
Can I sodomise you?
For Christmas?
Yes I like sticking my erect penis in other mens anus’s and shoot my load in them.
The back story here is interesting.
So who in the Cabinet Office authorized the release of the CCTV footage to Mitchell?
Who then gave it to the media?
Under what legal authority? Did he apply under the Data Protection Act or Freedom of Information Act or was it just a copy for a mate?
Did the release fully comply with the Information Commissioner’s Code of Conduct?
Who thought it was a good idea to put the full video of the Downing Street Security Measures out on the web when anyone who tried to film them might find themselves stopped searched and arrested under the Terrorism Act?
It was Deep Throat who gave the tape to the media.
Funny the serving police officer who e-mailed seemed quite relaxed about it when he alleged untruthfully that a passer by videoed the altercation, security not the main concern after all then when it suits.
ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz
WHY HAS IT TAKEN SO LONG TO SEE THIS VIDEO,
Trust no one. The truth is NOT out there.
“Help your local police, beat yourself up”
Police Football Federation Cup replay at Hillsborough, Birmingham 6 Guildford 4, Ref. A Mitchell.
They won’t be walking around wearing the ironic I am a Pleb t-shirts any more, because this time the perfectly justified response would be Yes You Are!.
So who is the most corrupt?
The Police Federation or ACPO?
You think our cops are bad?
This clip gives a new meaning to being “fingered” !
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2250218/Angel-Ashley-Dobbs-suing-Texas-troopers-shocking-BODY-CAVITY-search-caught-tape.html
I said at the time that the Government should commission a judge lead inquiry into this incident.
I’m wondering how Mr. Crick obtained all that cctv footage.
A : Freedom of Information Act
It is pretty obvious that Andrew Mitchell is not a freemason. And that the alternative power structure in Britain were out to get him.
The police lie like crazy all the time. Ends justify means.
They really, really need cleaning out. And the first thing that needs doing is that it should be made illegal for a police officer to be a freemason. The conflict of interests is far to great.
Also ACPO should be disbanded, they wield immense undemocratic power.
And the Police Federation should be banned from instigating litigation. Their unconditional support of errant coppers makes the press reluctant to report the facts.
Cressida is a common purpose dick. I couldn’t care less about plebgate. I do care about Mitchell and Rwanda. The man is evil.
When the police decide who can be in government, that’s what we call a police state.
Move along now, nothing to see here.