December 19th, 2012

Heat Is On For Hogan Howe

Yesterday Met Commissioner Bernard Hogan Howe clearly said of the coming Mitchell twists:

“I don’t think, in terms of what I’ve heard up to now, that it’s really affected the original account of the officers at the scene.”

Except the fact that the original account said:

“There were several members of public present as is the norm opposite the pedestrian gate… The members of public looked visibly shocked.”

Which members of the public were they then?


219 Comments

  1. 1
    Dickhead of Dick Green says:

    ‘ello ‘ello ‘ello, lets be ‘avin’ you.

  2. 2
    Bovis Barrat says:

    Porky pig. Porky pies.

  3. 3
    Jimmy says:

    It’s a Section 5. There are always “members of the public looking visibly shocked”. I believe the phrase is pre printed in the notebooks now.

  4. 4
    Fidel from Cuba says:

    I reckon Mr Howe may last until Easter .

    Not bad going on current form .

  5. 5
    @Lord_Palmerston says:

    If Hogan-Howe had been BBC Director-General, he would be “toast” by now.

  6. 6
    Dudley Castle says:

    I’ve never met a clevvear coppa

  7. 7
    Quis custodiet says:

    lets not forget the lies of the Police Federation, immediately after they came out of their meeting with Mitchell

  8. 8
    Confused of Barking says:

    why didn’t Number 10 review this CCTV before? Why now to fightback? It doesn’t entirely make sense, surely they checked the CCTV to fight Mitchells corner. Something still stinks, it is a bit weird it is suddenly ‘attack the police’ time when this entire argument could have been put forward at the time?

    or are the Tories just fundamentally weak and didn’t want to fight for their man?

  9. 9
    Members of the Public says:

    We are visibly shocked!

  10. 10
    Operation Crossbow says:

    The Tories keep appointing these lefty loons to top jobs.

  11. 11
    Stepney says:

    Incidentally, is this the polar opposite of Edward Milliband?

    “Despite my excesses, my appetite and love for life, I am a free being, Sir, and will remain polite.”

    Just askin…

  12. 12
    Diana Mite says:

    Bang!

  13. 13
    Anonymous says:

    The video was silent. How could he hear it?

    This is the art of the police.

  14. 14
    Bluto says:

    Is this the one who prefers to fly rainbow flags from police stations rather than the Union flag? Is he Common Purpose?

  15. 15
    Big Bill Connolly says:

    Do you think I could leave you lying
    When I could lie my head off too
    If somebody squaks in the witness box
    I’ll cover up for you
    I’ll tell a pack of lies, pull the wool over their eyes
    The way the sergeant taught us to
    Before you count to three we’ll be off scott free
    We’re two little boys in blue

    So if you see them on the beat
    As they swagger down your street
    Here’s a piece of advice for you
    Don’t trust your luck turn around RUN LIKE THE CLAPPERS!
    From the two little boys in blue

  16. 16
    Bent Coppers R Us says:

    Does make you wonder why he lied, when he would already have seen the video. Perhaps he didn’t expect Dave to make it public.

    But whatever, HE LIED and that is that.

  17. 17
    Steve Miliband says:

    quote 1 refers to the original ‘report’ by the coppers on the gate.

    Quote 2 is from the ‘member of the public’ who turned out to be a copper.

    My guess is Mitchell was rude to them and they were seeking revenge and had to ‘sex up’ their dossier with an ‘independent’ witness

  18. 18
    This is why I never give to beggars says:

  19. 19
    Hamish Macbeth (@PCMacbeth) says:

    I remember both Nick Clegg and Andrew Mitchell saying it’s time to “draw a line” under the row over the chief whip’s intemperate comments to a police officer.

    Can we draw a line under it Dave and BHH – or is it somehow different now?

  20. 20
    Anonymous says:

    One can almost feel sorry for Hogan Hyphen. Shitscared of No. 10 and of his own plods whilst sandwiched between them.

  21. 21
    The Central Scrutinizer says:

    The Police Federation look to be up to no good. Probably in on the whole conspiracy to get Mitchell sacked. They used their face time on TV to put the knife in and tried to make him look and sound guilty.

    A traditional stitch-up by past masters of it.

  22. 22

    Wrong thread!

    Constable Savage

    I was walking in an easterly direction when the government minister , dressed as an SS Panzer officer, shouted to me to get out of his way, which I did.

    He then called me over to him and said he had urgent business “in the house with privatising the NHS and ending free school meals. ” and should never be detained in futire. I said he would have to use a side gate.

    He then said You are an ugly little prole. You’re not fit to guard toffs like me. “You get down and lick my boots. Lick them! ”

    I refused and the gentleman punched me in the face and kicked me in the gonads. he then rode off on his bicycle laughing and saying he was above the law.

    This incident was witnessed by 500 passers by, 99 officers of ‘Hillsborough squad’ and a curious constituent who recorded an email of the incident that exactly confirms this account in every way including the punctuation.

    Constable Savage
    Metropolitan Police
    motto: To protect and serve {ourselves}

  23. 23
    Hillsborough says:

    Not a difficult crime to solve. Born in Sheffield worked in Liverpool, covering up came easy to him.

  24. 24
    Jahbulon says:

    All coppers lie. It is a part of their job.
    It takes a fool to believe a policeman.

  25. 25
    Hamish Macbeth (@PCMacbeth) says:

    How long is the turnaround in an editing suite these days #justsaying

  26. 26
    Jahbulon says:

    And porky leather apron.

  27. 27
    Lord Lucan says:

    I was there and I definitely heard him say plebs.

  28. 28
    Dickhead of Dick Green says:

    Er, it IS somehow different now, because the witness has been exposed as a liar who admits he was never there, and the coppers on the ground have been exposed as liars because they said passers-by looked on in horror at Mitchell’s behaviour and the footage shows no such thing at all.

  29. 29
    Kun Tea Bollox says:

    ….and half a million quid richer

  30. 30
    More Perverting than a Jim'll Fix it show. says:

    Yes it is different now. A senior Policeman perverting the course of justice is even more serious than a Greek immigrant being forced to pervert the course of justice by her government minister husband.

  31. 31
    Jahbulon says:

    I have personal experience of the way that the police federation suppress the truth about their members. And it is not nice. So I hope they take a big hit over this.

    Better still would be an increase in awareness in the way freemasonry is totally incompatible with policing. It has to be a fundamental, corrupting influence.

  32. 32
    Met Watch says:

    Perhaps it is because the email source has only just been outed. That also took a while, so perhaps there has been a covert investigation going on behind the scenes.

    One thing which is clear, there was certainly a lot of collusion here, and tie ins with YewTree and now Fairbanks cannot be discounted.

  33. 33
    Lee Jasper wants to meet Guido says:

  34. 34
    I d on't nee d no doctor says:

    Why has Hilary Benn such a big gob? BBC Parliament now.

  35. 35
    The Sleeper says:

    Whilst not wanting to defend him,didn’t he make those comments before C4 put out the CCTV tape??

    Do we know for sure that he saw those tapes before C4 went out?

    Perhaps his comments only related to the arrest of the copper that posed as a member of the public?

    Just sayin’.

  36. 36
    I d on't nee d no doctor says:

    Jasper, the booze up is at a pub next to the Thames, drop in at any time.

  37. 37
    Mr Blobby says:

    “Which members of the public were they then?”

    Very hard to tell Guido as the member of the public in the video seems to be wearing a large blob on his head.

  38. 38
    Met Watch says:

    You cannot get a court to convict on POA without evidence of a third party suggesting harassment.

    This may be part of the picture:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8599258/Swearing-at-police-not-an-offence.html

  39. 39
    B H Howe says:

    See you tonight at The Westminster Arms,Guido.

    Try to behave yourself,as I wouldn’t want to be nicking you,would I now ?

  40. 40
    hank the cat says:

    Listening to bernard hyphon howe on the radio, clutching at straws comes to mind.

  41. 41
    Bang to Rights says:

    If he didn’t watch the tapes, then how could he have said what happened?

  42. 42
    hank the cat says:

    So it must be in the DNA, thought so

  43. 43
    Navel Gazing says:

    Meanwhile over at the BBC News the only news in town is the BBC news.

  44. 44
    bandersnatch says:

    Maybe some courageous hack who still believes in investigative journalism has been digging about?

  45. 45
    Guardian reading lefty says:

    The met are oppessors of the prols in London.
    As a member of the leftist inllegensia in London I am very upset about this.
    Come the revolution they will pay for this.

  46. 46
    The Sleeper says:

    But that’s the point….as I understand it,he made the comments (as Guido quotes) before the tapes were broadcast….did he know about the tapes when he said that “he had seen nothing etc etc” ???

    I don’t know…just pointing out that the timeline may be the answer.

  47. 47
    London Watch says:

    Donating to ‘beggars’ from the continent in London you are funding organized crime.

    The door to door ‘art’ sellers and various other scams are similar.

    Another wonderful legacy from Labour.

  48. 48
    Special Branch says:

    Was that an offensive weapon Guido carried in wrapping paper ?

    Or maybe just a table leg ?

  49. 49
    Hamish Macbeth (@PCMacbeth) says:

    Ahh ..

    I see – a policeman lying is far more serious than an MP lying !

    Got it now

  50. 50
    Met Watch says:

    If Howe goes, who is tipped to take over ?

  51. 51
    Anonymous says:

    Never trust a policeman.

  52. 52
    gramma says:

    Failing here, seems to be the requested investigation by the cabinet secretary Sir Jeremy Heywood who did a shoddy job.
    Like his predecessor Gus o Donnel? he was more concerned in covering up and making all sides come out smelling of roses than actually investigating

  53. 53
    HMMM says:

    No problem, we will just have to re-write the script, err, I mean officers statements.

  54. 54
    Terrible But True says:

    He needs ‘side-stepping’ on full pay for a while then shuffling off on at least double what he’s entitled to.

    It’s the BBC thing to do.

  55. 55
    Liar-in-chief Ally Campbell says:

    If you want to ‘sex up’ any dossiers, I’m always available to re-write them.

  56. 56
    Jackass Straw says:

    What’s Will been up to this time ???

  57. 57
    Tom Tomos says:

    Perhaps it’s just another ‘Crimewatch’ reconstruction.

  58. 58
    Great Granddad:Prime Minister in Waiting, New Utopia Party says:

    There are a lot of liars about. I wonder how many there are with an eye on the money, who now claim to be one of Saville’s ten thousand victims.

  59. 59
    Anon says:

    We don’t yet if any of the people concerned are more than just ordinary members of the Federation.

  60. 60
    The Beast of Wolfsburg says:

    One does it on Edgeware Rd
    Roma scum!
    I take great delight in telling them to go and make love to themselves

    Thanks for letting them in liblabcon

  61. 61
    Anon says:

    Perhaps they just believed the Met when they said it had been che ked?

    Who sold the CCTV footage to Channel 4?

  62. 62
    Ed Miliband (Prime Minister designate) says:

    Why doesn’t Dave “Bottler” Cameron call a General Election now ?

    Life must be tough for him in the bunker,Opinion Polls are great aren’t they?

    ALL TORIES ARE BASTARDS
    More families are relying on foodbanks. But this Govt’s priority is to give an average £107,000 tax cut for people earning over £1m.

  63. 63
  64. 64
    Sally Bercow says:

    I love a bit of pork **innocent face**

  65. 65
    The Beast of Wolfsburg says:

    I always wondered just who would repair a table leg?On the other hand I know that SO19 areincompetent and cowardly

  66. 66
    Blair Waugh-Monger says:

    I wouldn’t stand for it.

  67. 67
    Robin Friday says:

    It is in my book.

  68. 68
    The Sleeper says:

    ..and the Man in the Moon is a fuckin’ Tory too!!!

    FFS

  69. 69
    Tom Tomos says:

    Hugh aka Huge.

  70. 70
    HMMM says:

    Nice windfall for all those Labour MPs then.

  71. 71
    The Beast of Wolfsburg says:

    Lee Jasper will probably turn up with a KFC empty bucket (They love fried Chicken)
    and start begging like a Roma Gypo

  72. 72
    Check Facts First says:

    If it turns out that his officers lied and fabricated evidence Hogan Howes position as Commissioner is untenable. Next please.

  73. 73
    Urqhart says:

    Mitchelll framed?
    You might think that.
    I couldn’t possibly comment.

  74. 74
    Westminster intern says:

    If I were in Downing Street I’d be worried the police supposedly protecting me are morons. – The police log shows ignorance beyond belief – how could the writer have ever not realised that there was CCTV casting the version into doubt?

  75. 75
    Stamper says:

    Snivelling little wretch.
    The copper, not Mitchell.

  76. 76
    Henry Brubaker says:

    Am I allowed to ask a few things here? Thanks

    (a) Just who was it that produced this video? 3 months after the fact Mitchell ‘suddenly’ finds evidence apparently exonerating him. Where, down the back of the couch?

    (b) This video has been edited. Perhaps Bernie Two dads has seen the unadultered version, not the version provided by Mitchell.

    (c) Wh edited the video, and why?

    Im just curious is all, this shennanigans gets wiereder by the day.

    If this could cost both Mitchell and Benire their jobs then so much the better…..

  77. 77
    Mattie says:

    Daddy!

  78. 78
    Corder says:

    We’ll do what must be done.

  79. 79
    Riggsy Brown says:

    Back in the day, when I was a young journo, I covered Courts – Magistrates, Crown, Assizes – regularly. Got to know the cops pretty well and attended various police Christmas parties, sports night etc. Suffice it to say that I am not in slightest surprised by recent events. `Stitching up’ is such common practice – from Wally Virgo to Ali Dezaie – that it is probably taught at Hendon.

  80. 80
    Gene Hunt says:

    In my day we used to lie in order to bang up known criminals. Not to bring down cabinet ministers.

  81. 81
    Shaz and Daz says:

    When it came to choosing between heating or eating,I went for the 42″ Plasma.

  82. 82
    DonkeyDong says:

    Fuck off you pleb!

  83. 83
    Tiny Tom says:

    If you want to know the time ask a pl……….buy yourself a watch

  84. 84
    Anonymous says:

    On this occasion for once obviously not the Met, I suspect Larry.

  85. 85
    Lord Effingham says:

    And why wasn’t Mitchell himself jumping up and down at the time, demanding that the CCTV footage be revealed, knowing it would call the Police version into doubt?

  86. 86
    Lambo Gallardo says:

    Especially when they’re asleep.

  87. 87
    Thames River Trout says:

    A lot of old ‘A’ division coppers would agree with you.

  88. 88
    Anonymous says:

    We were originally told there were two confrontations that day between Mitchell and the police. Where is the video of that second confrontation? Why does it appear to be night in these images? Where has this videotape been for the last three months?

    Something stinks here.

  89. 89
    Anonymous says:

    It’s a farce whichever way you look at it. FFS I’d have thought that the CCTV would be the first thing you’d look at in any investigation.

  90. 90
    Anonymous says:

    This is absolutely right. It doesn’t add up. Also we were told there was a second incident between Mitchell and the police, where is that video?

  91. 91
    Anonymous says:

    Hamish you have missed the point.

    1) It appears that the MP was not lying.

    2) The MP lost his job because others appeared to have lied.

  92. 92
    He who no longer posts says:

    ♪♫ All bastards are coppers ♪♫

  93. 93
    The Sleeper says:

    Regarding the video….I couldn’t see any evidence of the timelapse clock making big instantaneous leaps,which would show up in editing…but I could be wrong.
    What is odd is that the tape from the Foreign Office has the “minutes count” of the clock masked by a great big blob….why???? Did it not tie in with the Downing St camera times?

  94. 94
    DonkeyDong says:

    Croydon North November 2012.

    A Liebour candidate: More votes than Lee Jasper
    A CONservative candidate: More votes than Lee Jasper
    UKIPper: More votes than Lee Jasper
    A Libby Demmy: More votes than Lee Jasper
    Lee Jasper: 707 votes. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

  95. 95
    The Dirty Rat says:

    And is the outside the gate shot in sync with the action inside shot? Where is the time date watermark on the outside shot? Why did M not put forward his version of the conversation from day 1? Why resign?
    And apart from all that M, in my opinion is a supercilious, patronising c**t who was probably too pissed at the time to remember what he said or did.

  96. 96
    Cad says:

    Senior policeman? The person reported as perverting the course of justice by pretending to be an eyewitness is a lowly PC.

  97. 97
    DonkeyDong says:

    Hey Champagne Socialist, how will you be spending your £107,000?

    All socialists should be taken outside and shot in front of their families.

  98. 98
    Bill says:

    all the with it kids are now into nandos please keep up at the back.

    same chicken less greasy.

    usually promoted by urban artists (look it up on the web) in return for free chicken (ie nandos black cards). yes its true.

    Ps the guardian likes them because they appeal to “young, urban muticultural youth” quoted fromn observer review in 2010. despite being a range of chicken shops owed by venture capatalists

  99. 99
    Bill says:

    the top of the met are a useless bunch of timeservers drenched in management speak. no wonder they find it hard to detect criminals.

  100. 100
    Greg Dyke says:

    The BBC are whiter than white.

  101. 101
    Xenophon says:

    Perhaps everyone assumed that the police would have destroyed (er, accidentally lost) the evidence so they didn’t bother looking to see if it was still there.

  102. 102
    Bill says:

    a month ago in my street plod decides to raid the local drug dealer.

    after nocking on the door for 2 mins with no reply finally decides to kick door in. It takes 10 plod and a police helicopter hovering overhead for an hour to arrest 2 individuals.

    Said dealer after being at plod station for 10 hours is walking along street the next day.

    This is after the individual have spent the last month reving up and down street on motorcycles for a month. Clearly which you cannot afford being a 17 year old on pocket money.

    go figure

  103. 103
    Phil says:

    I think Crick was lighting a fuse when he mentioned doorstepping the emailer who appeared to him to be frightened and hinting at others in the background.I am not a journalist or an investigator but that kind of comment is begging for either or both.This could be a far bigger story than anyone could imagine.

  104. 104
    Bill says:

    bless the plod they really do recruit some thick people these days

  105. 105
    noddy says:

    diversity….drone……inclusiveness……drone…..ethnically aware……drone…….retirement…..drone…..nice fat pension…….drone.

  106. 106
    Bill says:

    anon maybe the plod lied !! shock horror.

    dont worry of thier is another video which exonerates plod it will turn up, along with the tapes at stockwell train station which disappeared and other plod tapes incrminating the plod in various incident have gone missing

  107. 107
    Top Plod says:

    The post is about Met Commissioner Bernard Hogan Howe. That’s a pretty senior copper.

  108. 108
    the poor bloody taxpayer says:

    literacy problems?

  109. 109
    Nogbad the Bad says:

    I concur. As examples of fabricated evidence, these are completely shite. The Police are supposed to be highly trained evidence gatherers. It’s a fairly important part of their job. If they are bent enough to make things up, then you would expect them to make a better job of it. It beggars belief.

  110. 110
    Bill says:

    At this rate being manager of chelsea will have a longer shelf life than commisoner of the met police.

    Time for a military general to be given the job as it used to be rather than a time server at the police.

  111. 111
    Charles Jolly says:

    Or Laughing

  112. 112
    Bollocks to Getting a Pseudonym says:

    Don’t forget that political partisanship is also incompatible with policing. Anyone who thinks the Police trade unions aren’t in bed with the Liebore party needs to wake up and smell the coffee pronto.

  113. 113
    Bollocks to Getting a Pseudonym says:

    Is there anyone in any part of the ruling classes these days who isn’t Communist Purpose?

  114. 114
    Gordons curse says:

    The video tape is a side issue.The email from the serving police officer who wasnt there is where the investigation will be digging.Did he receive any prompting from others who had a vested interest.The sh– will be hitting someone soon.

  115. 115
    Puppett master says:

    Would that be PC HH or CP HH?

  116. 116
    Bahjulon says:

    @Jahbulon
    “All coppers lie. It is a part of their job.
    It takes a fool to believe a policeman.”

    All politicians lie. It is a part of their job.
    It takes a fool to believe a politician.

  117. 117
    Mike jackson says:

    Fuck that for a game of soldiers!

  118. 118
    Bollocks to Getting a Pseudonym says:

    And then this ‘independent’ witness e-mails the complaint. Did he/she not stop to think that e-mails can be traced? You’d think they’d send a letter through the snail mail. Just shows what thick twats are hired by the police these days.

  119. 119
    Bollocks to Getting a Pseudonym says:

    Nobody forced him to take the job. As the police are just as corrupt as Wastemonster, Shitehall, the BBC, etc, I have no sympathy for them.

  120. 120
    Bollocks to Getting a Pseudonym says:

    Another Communist Purpose time-serving drone. Meet the new boss…

  121. 121
    Trying reading the effing legislation you passed says:

    You should try reading the Fixed Term Parliament Act 2010 sometime Ed and then you’d know that the Prime Minister no longer has the right to call a General Election so you’re stuck on the Opposition Benches until 7 May 2015…never mind more time to try and out bullshit “Dave”by telling the electorate that things would be better under Labour when they’d be a bloody sight worse……

  122. 122
    Bollocks to Getting a Pseudonym says:

    And then their families should be shot. Don’t want the bigoted scum breeding.

  123. 123
    King Tvrd of Shit Mountain says:

    There was one guy walking up and down and peering through the gate. Then he walked away. The police are hoisted by their own petard.

  124. 124
    Gay Gordon says:

    I was outside Downing Street and I heard it all. I said to nurse ” That man’s saying rude things!”

  125. 125
    Dickson of Green Dick says:

    Coppers never lie. Fact.

  126. 126
    Abdel from Tooting says:

    Last Tuesday night I had two young women in my takeaway shop with funny hair and rings in their noses . They were wearing G strings so that you could see their tattoos.

    Anyway they ordered four deep fried sausages and chips each and then started arguing . I asked them to leave the shop which they did but they then started kicking one another in the street .

    I telephoned the Police and they did come after five minutes after I explained one of the women had taken her top off .

    Anyway I explained to them what had happened and they went outside to look and came back and said there was no one there .

    But i know there was someone there see because I had seen them .

    So just because something is not on the camera does not mean it did not happen .

  127. 127
    Loopy Lou says:

    Tell me officer have you got a copper bottomed pension?

  128. 128
    Fatty Pang and His Four Pensions says:

    I seem to have been let off scott free in the Pollard Report.

    Lavender and I will have a dozen oysters tonight to celebrate.

  129. 129
    Captn P says:

    Funny how there is no comment on Twatson’s blog.

    Who wants to bet that his name will appear at some point in the investigation?

    I’ll have £1,000 on that one.

  130. 130
    Fatty Pang and His Four Pensions says:

    I shall invite Sgt Hogan to my club for a dozen oysters. We are survivors

  131. 131
    Bluto says:

    Hopefully he will be found to be a member of the Labour party and one of the police who Tom Watson has been “regularly talking to”.

  132. 132
    Anonymous says:

    ..to rights?

  133. 133
    Lord Mantlepiece of Hartlepool says:

    And the scratchings too?

  134. 134
    Plod's big flying purple people eater says:

    I quite clearly heard him say Pleb and I was quite visibly shocked.

  135. 135
    Anonymous says:

    has anyone mentioned AM’s recording of the meeting with Federation reps where he recorded it and the Feds later stated information contrary to the now released recording?

  136. 136
    Bill says:

    “there were sleveral members of the public present” “the members of the public looked visably shocked”

    I know how he feels, to see a member of the met police in public these days, it rare unless they are in a car, tbhye must have been shocked to see the plod doing some work !!!

  137. 137
    Del Boy says:

    RWANDA

  138. 138
    Problem solver says:

    Diana, we all thought you did!

  139. 139
    Curly says:

    You were looking a bit hot under the collar earlier. Someone getting at you was he?

  140. 140
    Elvis riding Shergar in a UFO says:

    Yess sur, the Lord Lucan speaks the truth

  141. 141
    Curly says:

    On his way to carpentry classes?

  142. 142
    Curly says:

    Why?

  143. 143
    Anonymous says:

    A table leg wrapped in something would make a very passible pretend firearm if one was going out to say commit a robbery.Just sayin like.

  144. 144
    A famous children's rhyme says:

    As I was going up the stair
    I met a man who wasn’t there.
    He wasn’t there again to day.
    Oh how I wish he’d go away.

  145. 145
    Armchair expert watch says:

    Of course Bill you have a vast experience of planning and executing drug raids from the comfort of your armchair. It may therefore not occur to you to realise that when that door goes in you have no idea whether you will be facing a solitary unarmed individual or as sometimes happens a team of violent and often armed individuals. Thats why they usually send more than a few cops along on these things. Of course since you have no fucking idea what you are talking about you would probably sent two unarmed cops along and keep your fingers crossed. Tosser.

  146. 146
    Armchair expert watch says:

    One more thing, have you any fucking idea how long it takes to search a house properly for drugs or that procedures dictate that where posdible the suspect should be present throughout the search in case anything is found. No don’t think you do or else you wouldn’t be making stupid fuckwitted comments about the amount of cops involved or the time taken to make an arrest. Fucking idiot .

  147. 147
    Bigotry clouds the senses says:

    Guido, WTF are you and the rest of the mongs on here talking about? The CCTV clearly shows several people in the vicinity of the gates. Fuck me talk about groupthink !

  148. 148
    Sanctimonious prick watch says:

    Well good job you became a Journo as journos never lie or make things up themselves do they . Oh fuck no !

  149. 149
    Jahbulon says:

    Isn’t that what happened to the Ian Tomlinson tapes?

  150. 150
    One of the 707 says:

    Help me. I fell and hit my head and feel confused.

  151. 151
    Jahbulon says:

    There aren’t any.

    If you are clever you can do far better things than be a freemasonry pawn.

  152. 152
    Lee Jasper's butt plug says:

    Oh how sweet it would be if Fatson was one of those funds to be helping others to commit treason.

  153. 153
    Abdul bin Shawaddywaddy says:

    phwoarrr!! your takeaway sounds a right sexy joint. If those birds come back around flashing their g strings again let me know and I’m in like Flynn!!

  154. 154
    Bluto says:

    Ok, I give up. Is there?

  155. 155
    BBC Boris Watch says:

    Wonder what Boris will say ?

    Didn’t he give Bernard Two-Dads a 5 year contract ?

  156. 156
    anonymouse says:

    Probably end up with the child in care.

  157. 157
    optional says:

    Sausages or savaloys?

  158. 158
    Riggsy Brown says:

    Not in my day, we didn’t. But it was different world then, long before mobile phones, iPads and the interweb. Compulsory short-hand and typing speeds, copy phoned in from a telephone box near the Court to a copy taker, sub-editing on the stone etc etc. It was an honourable profession in those days. Then Murdoch arrived………….

  159. 159
    Peter Carter-Fuck says:

    Good luck with the war on drugs copper. 40 years of abject failure, but at least it keeps the filth in a job.

  160. 160
    holland says:

    Trouble is, we all know that all politicians are 2nd rate, whereas, policemen are supposed to be trustworthy!

    ih

  161. 161
    Peter Carter-Fuck says:

    Usually the CCTV evidence “disappears”. Clearly someone fucked up.

  162. 162
    Peter Carter-Fuck says:

    Specsavers just called. There’s nothing they can do for you.

  163. 163
    Who says:

    “Thirty officers on ‘pleb’ inquiry”

    That should keep the police overtime meter ticking along nicely.

    ffs.

  164. 164
    Who says:

    Why does the UK accept that it’s the optimum structure to have multiple police forces.

    One would be enough; a Chief Constable and a few Deputies.

    More efficient; less cost.

    I wonder what the Federation thinks? *innocent face*

  165. 165
    One eye on sexy Romanian beggars says:

    Tell you what though once she’s out of her begging garb she isn’t half worth one. Tasty! I like how she bends over with her crutches too. Yummy.

  166. 166
    Cinna says:

    We now have only the word of two coppers sating th “P” word was used, as there is no corroborating evidence from the “passers-by”, as clearly, there were none.

    In which case it’s quite likely that the two coppers concerned are being economical with the truth.

  167. 167
    Cinna says:

    Spot on!

  168. 168
    Truthteller says:

    Sounds like a episode from VIZ.

  169. 169
    Cinna says:

    Obviously basic detectice work is lacking. When he leave the police there is a job on Newsnight waiting…they don’t check facts there either.

  170. 170
    Cinna says:

    Nothing to see here…move along please!

  171. 171
    Fatty Pang and His Four Pensions says:

    Mr Curly

    I am 19 1/2 collar size with a temperate zone running around the circumference.

    I keep cool because I am on £110K pa for 3 half days plus pensions from European Union and HK Govt and from Westminster.

    I will drink and eat myself to a 20 1/2 collar thanks to oysters and chablis

    Yours

    Fatty Pang

  172. 172
    Law Student says:

    Since when is it an offence to cause the public to be visibly shocked?

  173. 173
    Lexic Dys says:

    That email is hilarious!

    “passed elections”

    “display by your fellow MP”

    “site seeing”

    “absolutely digesting behaviour”

    “PLEBES”

  174. 174
    Monica says:

    What Florence replied I am amazed that some people able to make $5375 in 1 month on the internet.Did you look at this web page http://wow42.com

  175. 175
    Fred says:

    Prior to 1945 most Chief Constables were ex-military: I think they needed to have reached the rank of least a full colonel. The Police complained that they could not attain the rank of Chief Constable so Labour changed the policy . Until the mid 60s, certainly in the Met and City of London many ex- Guards and RN joined up : they may have been able to enter as sergeants. Consequently, until the mid 70s there were plenty of Police officers who had experienced violent situations and had a broader experience of life. There were plenty of MPs and councilors who could draw on their military experience and ask questions of Police conduct.

    Would it be worthwhile of returning to the past where the Chief Constable acted as Chairman of the Board and was a retired military officer ( colonel and above )and the Asst Chief constable acted as the MD and ran the police force?

    Much of the success of Policing is about how they are perceived by the the public, both law abiding and criminal. A good Chairman knows how the shareholders and The City perceive the company advise the MD.

    Part of the problem for the Police is that there is a lack of people who have experience of violent and dangerous situations and managing large numbers of people who can discuss with senior officers the problems theyface and how they may resolve them.
    At Hilsborough, the Senior Police Officer was having to manage a fast moving situation which extended from the nearest motorway to the edge of the pitch. The shooting of Charles de Menez was another example of fast moving event over a wide area.
    If we accept that Police are face by difficult situations we are far more likely to arrive at solutions : pretending Policing is easy is asking for disasters.

  176. 176
    Anonymous says:

    Indeed and 30 Officers are now involved on the enquiry.

    BHH IS worried. So he should be.

  177. 177
    Trust me, I'm a doctor says:

    They normally don’t appear for 2-3 days afterwards

  178. 178
    Cad says:

    I don’t think anyone has seriously suggested that the Commisioner is perverting the course of justice. At present he is simply witholding information.

  179. 179
    Cad says:

    The outside shot doesn’t appear to be in sync with the others. We can’t see Mitchell in it.

  180. 180
    Anonymous says:

    Is that why Michael Crick moved from the beeb last year and is now on Channel 4?

  181. 181
    Anonymous says:

    And even with all this foresight, planning and experience they can fail to find a dead body in a wardrobe.

  182. 182
    Foxgoose says:

    Evenin’ all

    Well’ it’s been a funny old time in the old manor this week.

    So many queer goings on, tall tales and odd characters around – it’s been hard to know what to make of it all.

    But a good, old fashioned beat copper has a nose for this sort of stuff – and if he follows his instincts he won’t go far wrong.

    He just has to remember that Tory toffs are the class enemy and good for a fit-up when the opportunity arises – and never forget that the other lot are daft enough shell out the dosh for quadruple overtime and sickies all round whenever the Federation cracks the whip.

    It usually turns out all right in the end.

    Mind ‘ow you go now

  183. 183
    Grand Master, Grand Lodge, Queen Street says:

    Mahabon.

  184. 184
    Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:

    It is absolutely right and proper that as many policemen as possible are members of the Craft. That being the case, as many young girls as possible can accuse me of molesting them and I will get away with it. I am totally behind and in support of the Police Federation in this case. Boaz.

  185. 185
    Jimmy says:

    I refer you to the well known authority of “My Inspector says…”

  186. 186
    Internalcombustionpenguin says:

    He has heard the police radio messages immediately following the mitchell insults. All admissible and that is why the commissioner is so confident. If it was a conspiracy it was one hatched in seconds.

  187. 187
    Anonymous says:

    I heard your nephew was shocked as well, was that when he inadvertantly recorded the scene ? poor little mite.

  188. 188
    Anonymous says:

    Well when it means somebody looses his job over it, then on balance yes it is !

  189. 189
    Anonymous says:

    Bernie is coming over as a bit of a wally as well,why on earth did he say anything about it at all ?

  190. 190
    Anonymous says:

    Maybe John Humphreys should intrview him on the today programme !

  191. 191
    Anonymous says:

    I get the feeling that investigations have been going on almost from the start of this episode and Mitchell “resigning” was part of the plan.A lot more will come out and im afraid some police officers are going to be very sorry they started to try to remove senior politicians from their posts.I wonder if custodial sentences are on the cards ?

  192. 192
    Anonymous says:

    FFS how rude can you be in 20 to 30 seconds ? the 2 P/Cs should be sacked for being such big girls blouses ! i take it they dont send them out on saturday nights up west !

  193. 193
    Anonymous says:

    Yes, but so are you and nobody got you sacked did they!

  194. 194
    Anonymous says:

    Why are they relying on food banks when they are getting benefits ? if they are a “family” they get enough money for the kids. Stop being so melodramatic, if i drank my benefits then had food given to me for free i would do it as well !

  195. 195
    Delilah says:

    I’m visibly shocked and so is my wife!

  196. 196
    Anonymous says:

    It appears that the 3 P/Cs must have colluded as the e mailer wasnt one of the ones actually involved, and wasnt outside looking in either. Not the sharpest knives in the drawer are they.

  197. 197
    Anonymous says:

    Surely they would lie on the radio as well ? the log and voice message would have to tie up.

  198. 198
    ReefKnot says:

    Don’t worry – you can always trust the good old British bobby.

  199. 199
    Henry Ford says:

    Anon.The email from a serving police officer is the problem for plod.His computer has been seized and will leave a trail to ???????????

  200. 200
    Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

    Just think, in days gone by, they’ve hung people based on flimsier evidence than that!

  201. 201
    Pointy Head, pointy Head, Plod has got a pointy head. says:

    I see that thirty officers have been assigned to investigate ‘plebgate’. Presumably that’s one to ask the questions, one to write down the answers and the other twenty eight are there to learn from the two intellectuals.

  202. 202
    Trainee Pedant says:

    Loses not “looses”, you illiterate!

  203. 203
    Central Office stooge says:

    Mitchell resigned over a week after the incident. The press were sniffing around and had got too close to some other secrets.

    Once those secrets are now protected, the Mitchell counter-attack can begin.

  204. 204
    A criminal mastermind says:

    Excellent. Fewer b ribes to pay, fewer gra sses to deal with.

  205. 205
    Shaglot Homes says:

    Anybody reading the letter sent in purporting to be from a “member of the public” could easily comprehend that this was written in the style and manner of a a police statement.
    The Diplomatic Protection PC who wrote the report has made a very unfortunate error of judgement for whatever motive I can Only guess.He will however ,pay dearly for it.

  206. 206
    The savant10.4 highway patrol says:

    Is this Hage howe character or whatever he calls himself a cover

    For the hagen daz ice cream empire ??

    If so he s giving them millions of free publicity ……

  207. 207
    Jack The Ripper says:

    I have a strong feeling that a Sun journalist will be arrested soon. Can that be true? So many of them are already in the clink.

  208. 208
    Jack The Ripper says:

    Having trouble grasping the concept of several people in a group looking on and being visibly shocked are we?

  209. 209
    Bernard Bendover Wow. says:

    So when Ron Davies resigned over a “moment of madness” back in 1998, how come someone at the Yard rang No 10 to say the shit was going to hit the fan, half an hour BEFORE Ron walked into a Police Station to say something had happened….

  210. 210
    Bernard Bendover Wow. says:

    Well the man releasing balloons in support of a missing child, where the parents were Arguidos (the Portuguese legal definition, not the cosy Lord Lev accepted mistranslation) who later over sees a review seems to have form! No wonder the Portuguese are laughing their socks off at our Plod, journalists and legal system.

  211. 211
    Bernard Bendover Wow. says:

    The poor plod should have used their dead body search dog before, but there were a lot of press around and that was awkward as there are restrictions on the reporting of the use of cadaver dogs in the UK now. “Specialist” is the term used, and reports have to be submitted which mean no comparison can be drawn with a case in Portugal. Hence cleaning up of reports on the demise of Kate Prout, no mention of the Lisa Irwin case dogs and no footage or reference to the use of cadaver dogs in the April Jones case.

  212. 212
    BagLady says:

    They didn’t have enough to nail the slimeball absolutely so they ‘embellished’ the facts as they always do, because they are stupid. Now they’ll have to pay the creep and he’ll wheedle has way back into ‘high office’.

  213. 213
    BagLady says:

    Why isn’t ‘pleb’ asterisked anywhere since it’s clearly a really bad swear-word? Or is it a NEW swearword? Are all the on-line dictionaries rushing to re-categorize it as politically incorrect? What did actually follow his words “You fucking ????s”? I am waiting to hear.

  214. 214
    BagLady says:

    From here on in it’ll be about points of law. The fact is the little prick turned up on his bike and was told he couldn’t ride it through the car’ gates but could wheel it through the ‘bicycle’ gates. He found this beneath his auspicious position and warranted a tirade of offensive language. What difference the wording. It’s what’s implicit that counts. Let’s take it from there and forget the stupidity of the police.

  215. 215
    BagLady says:

    Yes, but who are the two young men who have been arrested in connection with the case? The plot thickens.

  216. 216
    Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

    They’ll have their contemperaneous notes well adjusted to reflect the seriousness of Mitchel saying Pleb. The police would never of course resort to underhand actions like that, just ask the folk of Liverpool if they have any experience of it.

  217. 217
    Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

    What secrets and how the hell can he protect them?

  218. 218
    Bass says:

    Bernard Hogan Howe & the Police Federation should stop digging…

  219. 219
    MB. says:

    Hogan Howe has been knighted.


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