December 18th, 2012

Priceless Plastic: 59% support Shelbrooke’s Welfare Card

Tory MP Alec Shelbrooke’s 10 Minute Rule Bill to introduce a welfare cash card for benefit claimants, especially those on JSA (but excluding disability payments and the basic state pension,) has gone down like a cup of cold sick with the left this afternoon. The food stamp 2.0 would see restrictions placed on booze, fags and Sky TV et cetera, and ensure the safety net was just that. Shelbrooke told the House earlier:

“This is about benefit distribution and spending, not benefit allocation. It encourages responsible spending by welfare claimants; ensuring taxpayers’ money is spent wisely and for the purpose it is intended. Delivering Beveridge’s vision of a temporary security net by using benefits to create a society of strivers”.

A poll commissioned by Demos found that 59% of the country support the move


165 Comments

  1. 1
    Benny Fits says:

    Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaack that!

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    • 56
      Wayne and Waynetta - or it may be Sharon or Shardonay says:

      Oi!!! wot abart our bennys!!! we is havin babas like stink an can’t do wivart bennys! ‘n fags ‘n booze n’ stuff – nowotwemeen?

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    • 59
      Anonymous says:

      I will go a step further and say; stop child benefits and use that money to give free breakfast, lunch and dinner in the schools through out the year. A lot of kids in poor households go hungry, this way we can feed they and make sure they get hot food as well.

      If giving dinner is a problem give them packeted dinner to take home.

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      • 74
        CarryHole is a complete Hunt says:

        Stop increasing benefits for more fecklessness.

        Once you’re on benefits you agree not to have kids, get more fat, drink etc..

        You have kids and go on benefits. You have more. You don’t get any more OPM.
        You go on benefits and you’re obese, you lose weight, or you lose NHS.
        You go on benefits and you have a drinking problem, you stop or you dont get NHS or bennies.

        Time for Dave to get tough on those addicted to OPM. People who get OPM have to agree to limit their own liberty.

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    • 84
      Dick Scratcher says:

      We are the only species on this Earth with inverse Darwinism.

      Fuck. the. feckless.

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    • 118
      Old Tory Bigot says:

      La Toynbee will be having an attack of the vapours over this one.

      However, 10 minute rule bill = zero chance of it ever happening.

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  2. 2
    Boy from up t'North says:

    Does that mean Kebab Time will be having his ADSL taken away :D

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  3. 3
    The Left says:

    Oh noes, if our client base can’t spend the money we give them on fags and booze, they might have to get a job and stop voting for us.

    Then we’ll just be left with a load of angry unemployed immigrants :-(

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  4. 4
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Worth a try, and if it hacks off The Guardian, The BBC, Channel 4, the fake charidees, and the Labour Party, then it must be a good thing.

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    • 9
      He who no longer posts says:

      That will do nicely, sir.

      Do you want to feel my tits? Well sorry, you’ll have to get a job first.

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    • 18
      CarryHole is a complete Hunt says:

      Hope you can’t pay the TV-Tax with that card.

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    • 33
      The Sheikh Of Arabee says:

      Is it fuck.

      Ever heard of the black market? They’ll just barter, or the local Pakkee shop will sell them beer & fags and ring it up as sprouts or someshit.

      It’s a fucking bollocks idea sold to a fucking gullible arsewipe of a civil servant by some fucking venal IT slimeball. It’ll cost a fortune and it won’t fucking work.

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      • 38
        Boy from up t'North says:

        In that case pay them their weekly benefits entirely in sprouts.

        SIMPLES !

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        • 50
          Eoin Clarke says:

          Do you realise how much of an impact on global warming a statement like that can have?

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        • 63
          He who no longer posts says:

          Hope sprouts eternal?

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        • 140
          Tom Catesby says:

          It will probably be cheaper to pay the money, than build all the new prisons+all the infrastructure you’ll need to run them, to deal with the effects of a half baked scheme like this, of course the likes of Google, Vodaphone etc could pay some fucking tax like the rest of us.

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      • 44
        Auditor says:

        You can’t ring it up as sprouts. It’ll get flagged up when the stocktaking is done.

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        • 83
          Former Accountant says:

          … and do you suppose that anybody actually does stocktaking in those places?

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        • 141
          Tom Catesby says:

          Don’t worry about the stock taking, Ali down at the carry out will show you how it’s done. The expertese in ‘laundering’ can deal with a few ‘sprouts’.

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      • 47
        Blackmarketeer says:

        Yous is just anti business. We entrepreneurs need the chance to earn a living too. The dole isn’t enough to live to the style we want.

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      • 49
        nickleaton says:

        Exactly.

        Nice idea. We all know what will happen in practice. The corner shop will take the plastic, sell the booze, but put it down as vegan roast chicken.

        It’s all down to some crony saying we have a great idea to cut the benefits bill. Chuck us 200 million and all your problems will be solved, along with syphilis and the Queen’s itch.

        Exactly the same as Choose and Book, the NHS Spine, …

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        • 85
          Back to the drawing board says:

          +1

          Another work around, which was discussed in my local pub a few years ago, is: benefit claimant goes with pub landlord to buy £70 of petrol for pub landlord’s car, pays with benefit card, landlord gives benefit claimant £70.

          And thus this stunning idea, dreamed-up by some Oxbridge smart-arse with no knowledge of the real world, lies in ruins.

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        • 87
          Back to the drawing board says:

          +1

          Another work around, which was discussed in my local pub a few years ago, is: benefit claimant goes with pub landlord to buy £70 of petrol for pub landlord’s car, pays with benefit card, landlord gives benefit claimant £70.

          And thus this stunning idea, dreamed-up by some Oxbridge smart-ar*e with no knowledge of the real world, lies in ruins.

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          • ben says:

            If you are so clever to dismiss the idea, why don’t we look at the ratio of pub landlords to benefit claimants? Probably something like 10k landloards vs 10million benefits claimants. How does that work then? What sort of car does Mr Landlord own to get through 70million litres of fuel!

            Of course I know you are just giving an example, and there will be ways for benefits cheats to get round the card, but if it makes getting access to fags and booze on the taxpayer more difficult then great, I’m all for it.

            I hope they find a way to make this work!

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        • 88
          sockpuppet #4 says:

          Even if the corner shops are tightly controlled, there would be all sorts of bartering and black market rubbish going on.

          People still need cash for some things. what about market stalls?

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          • Quiet Bat Person says:

            Market stalls are a good example. People on benefits usually have to find cheap sources of food, etc. A card system will limit the choice of those who are trying to be frugal. It will punish those who keep to the rules of the system, and the fiddlers will get round it.

            Also, it’s more state intervention on how people live their lives. Hardly libertarian.

            Daft idea.

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          • Anonymous says:

            hardly liberterian.

            i would rather those on benefits did not watch the tele.
            it would wake them up.

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        • 90
          Dick Scratcher says:

          …so what about underage fags / drinking? Most offies don’t do it cos they know Trading Standards mystery shop them.

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        • 97
          The Sleeper says:

          And how many corner shops of the ethnic type do you know that accept cards?

          Bloody ‘ell… it’s cash or nothing with them.

          Even pubs would be loath to accept these cards…knowing that they’d get done if caught.

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      • 103
        The savant10.4 highway patrol says:

        Now if all bloggers were. As impressively direct and succinct as you. Sheikh……..

        Ther d be no room for. Misunderstandings .

        Congrats on the best plain english contribution todate.

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      • 122
        Old Tory Bigot says:

        You are absolutely right Sheikh.

        It’s a scheme dreamed up by someone with absolutely no idea of how people actually libe their lives.

        Of course the corner shop will make ‘accommodations’.

        Just like those ‘pharmacists’ who will dispense prescription drugs for cash.

        It will never work, but then it would never be passed as law. It’s ridiculous.

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      • 143
        left wing,right wing, it's all the same bird! says:

        And the plain English award goes to…… Sheik-ey baby

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      • 149
        In A Flap says:

        of course if it was a type of debit card that required an itemised bill those that abuse it could be caught. better still only make it usable in supermarkets

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        • 157
          BobRoberts says:

          The supermarkets thing is really anti competitive and unworkable… but I can see where you’re coming from.

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  5. 5
    Back passage says:

    This would be simply the best ideai have ever heard , I will totally support the party that introduces this initiative.

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  6. 6
    Bogeyman says:

    “A poll commissioned by Demos found that 59% of the country support the move…”

    The other 41% being benefit claimaints. Naturellement.

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    • 22
      Owen Jones says:

      And right on, fashionista, metrosexual people like me.

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    • 68
      Mitt Romney says:

      And people went after me for that 47% speech at a fundraiser. Now that I’m not running for President, listen to me say this– fuck you all very much, the whole lot of you!

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  7. 7
    A casual observer. says:

    Not hard to get around though is it. You buy some one’s food or whatever, they buy your fags and booze.

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    • 94
      Anonymous says:

      You need a brain to do that. We are talking about the Chavez underclass.

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      • 124
        Old Tory Bigot says:

        Underestimate them at your peril.

        They may not be intellectuals but I’ll wager they are shrewder and have more common sense than the idiots who dream up these schemes.

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    • 99
      VoteUkip says:

      I am sure there will be a certain percentage of people who will abuse the system as there always will be. That does not mean though that it will not work for 90% of cases, especially if there is some method of monitoring and inspection and severe penalties for abusing the system. And that 90% can save the taxpayer a lot of dosh. They have food stamps in the US, so it is hardly a novel, untested idea.

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  8. 8
    Boy from up t'North says:

    Stop the BBC jizzing our money on the Guardian jobs section as well please.

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    • 26
      Even the BBC Regions are pro-Labour says:

      This lunch time BBC Midlands Today asked viewers to e mail or telephone them to advise if they were receiving a christmas bonus this year from their employer….now ask yourself why the fuck they would want to know that ?

      They also had a piece on young mothers being forced to steal food, nappies for their children etc because that is the only way they can make ends meet and feed their babies due to the harsh benefits cuts that the Scrooge-like Tory party is pushing through. The BBC is now getting beyond a joke

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      • 43
        I d on't nee d no doctor says:

        Why does Midlands today need two people to present the news, one to present the sport, and one to present the weather. How can the cost be justified?
        The BBC should look closer to home first, and lead by example.

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        • 62
          BBC is the bestest says:

          Now look here,we have to invest our money somewhere, where better than keeping our empire alive by employing more and more and more. Who really cares if they don’t have a job to actually do, they work for the BBC, the public sector by another name… isn’t that good enough for everyone.

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        • 121
          Anon says:

          Two people sounds good value when it takes 150+ to cover a single football match on Sky according to many reports.

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        • 147
          Laughing hangman says:

          Same as bbc northwest.

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      • 61
        Really? says:

        Beyond a joke the BBC most certainly are and have been for decades. However, one David Cameron thinks they are ‘special’ and as such deserve a free ride.

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      • 70
        Anonymous says:

        It would be nice for BBC to ask mothers how much they get each week and on what the money is spent. As for food handouts etc.,is there anywhere near me that gives out food parcels? I won’t look a gifthorse in the mouth.Anything I save on my foodbill will go towards the cost of my new car.

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      • 86
        CarryHole is a complete Hunt says:

        All the benefitz people I know drink most of the day, smoke, have iPads and cars.

        Poverty seems to mean poverty of character.

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      • 120
        its bleak in sunderland says:

        The BBC has been beyond a joke for years!

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  9. 10
    Dick Scratcher says:

    This is one to watch…. Common sense. Populist. Fair.

    JFDI!

    Q: Has Wet fart Cam got the nuts?

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  10. 11
    O/T - But may why the BBC are so damned biased says:

    Not new news, but EU funding this outfit explains a lot:

    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/279097/Why-is-BBC-funding-Somali-radio-station-

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  11. 12
    Benny Fits says:

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  12. 13
    I d on't nee d no doctor says:

    Sadiq Khan – what a pile of shit

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    • 145
      Bill says:

      he is my MP never seen him canvessing even the local muslim community not keen on him, next election of the tories bother he could be having a difficault election night.

      Even got my decent labour mp deselected

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  13. 14
    Rupert Murdoch says:

    “restrictions placed on booze, fags and Sky TV”

    Et tu Guido?

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  14. 15
    Scary Biscuits says:

    So why can’t cast iron Dave support moves with broad support rather than splitting his party of the meaning of a word?

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  15. 20
    Bliar Watch says:

    Demos cannot be trusted for patently obvious reasons. Oddly though, Bliar may stand to make money on this.

    Max Keiser has mentioned at length how JP Morgan rake it in over in the US with similar scheme.

    http://dailybail.com/home/jp-morgans-food-stamp-monopoly-the-more-americans-that-fall.html

    Other than being anti-libertarian, this is a cheap con which should be shot down early.

    (Disclosure: I am not a lefty)

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    • 133
      Anonymous says:

      we are regressing…. junk tv, junk food, junk footie…. dumb stuff…though at,least the footie get ppl moving. but there is junk around the football players.

      we are regressing…into dumbhood.
      the world of junk. ratner told the truth but …

      perhaps the divide is now between quality and no quality. our lives are framed in rubbish and on top we let rubbish enter our bodies. All this dumbhood is unsettling.
      no wonder our souls need the RIP thought at departure time.
      ..
      ppl like agent cameron and agent blair do what they want. not for the general good,

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  16. 21
    Hank the Cat says:

    I see Tom Watson is demanding that the PM look into the corruption of the Tory council in Queen Eliazabeths Land.

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    • 28
      Finger Paintings says:

      I see Tom Watson is demanding that someone checks his 12 piece KFC bucket to make sure there is not too many leg portions

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      • 42
        His Lardship John Prescott says:

        Any legs he don’t want, he can pass ‘em on over to me, I’m not fussy that way…and please Tom me lad, no questions from you about investigating KFC!

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  17. 23
    Anonymous says:

    So instead of Jobseekers Allowance paid into your bank every week, they’ll give you a card that’s topped up weekly and all transactions monitored?
    What happens when you need to top up the electric meter? Can you go to a cashpoint with it? And if so, why not take out all your money in cash and not leave any paper trail at all?

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    • 29
      sockpuppet #4 says:

      Never mind electric meters. what about cups of tea, or a tin of beans from the corner chop.

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    • 31
      Not a problem says:

      Most meters like this are now pre-pay card(stops the old crime of jemmying it open to extract the cash etc) which you go to Post Office to top up and then stick in meter..Its easy enough to allow the benefits card to be debited to top up card so you can place in meter

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    • 55
      Bogeyman says:

      Don’t worry, we are heading for the cashless society anyway. The government will then be able to trace every penny you earn and spend.

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    • 134
      Anonymous says:

      why this obsession with knowing everything. it,s like someone wants to be inside someone else,s underpants, all very horrid,

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  18. 24
    The 41% Majority says:

    Over our dead bodies.

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  19. 25
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    On a practical level, “who pays”.
    Banks absorb the costs of such systems for employed people and students who might be employed. but seem unlikely to do the same thing for free for this plan.

    Brown came up with similar sorts of bollocks to close post offices, ie that they could all cash their giro’s at natwest for free.

    I shall tender for the IT contract that goes with this plan.

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  20. 27
    Boy from up t'North says:

    What about one for the 650 benefit scroungers that are at the HoC, do they get one as well?

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  21. 30
    999 Emergency says:

    Can I use it to pay to have a shit in Blackpool pubic toilets

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  22. 37
    Tay King-dePisse says:

    Start delivering Beveridge’s vision, to people who only have visions of beverages like “the Buckfast of Champions.” Good luck on that one.

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  23. 48
    Hank the Cat says:

    Vaz will be suggesting that this scheme should be run through his bank account so he can keep an eye on goverment spending.

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  24. 52
    Bozzer says:

    Dunno what the left are whingeing about in Victorian times the poor had to steal or bend over for a rich gentleman to get food to eat. If you accept charity you can’t comlpain about the conditions it comes with

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  25. 57
    ANOTHER TROUGHING FAT PIG GETS AWAY WITH IT says:

    “using benefits to create a society of strivers”.”
    It will make a change from a society of skivers

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  26. 67
    I d on't nee d no doctor says:

    This ideas should be extended to MPs expenses, and local councillors.

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  27. 68
    Sick of scroungers says:

    At last, great idea, don’t make it a Gold card though, Amex may get upset.

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  28. 91
    Andrew Efiong says:

    It’ll never work. Murdoch, Big Tobacco, the supermarkets and beer companies would be bust were it not for idle spongers frittering away my money.

    I suggest all welfare recipients who don’t get a job after three months should write 50 thank-you letters a day which are then posted to random taxpayers so that we can for once hear these people say thank-you for paying in so much money to keep them fed, watered, clothed and Sky Plussed.

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  29. 92
    lola says:

    Now lets have the same thing for education and health care and denationalise the schools the hospitals and the doctors…

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  30. 93
    Third Generation dole scum says:

    I vote Labour so I won’t have to work and live off other peoples money.

    Its disgusting, deport all non-white british dole scum, so there will be enough money for us white British dole scum.

    I am incapable of working its me backround etc

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  31. 100
    Loopy lou says:

    Don’t give them money .

    Give them food parcels and clothes from Oxfam .

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  32. 101
    Brown out and Pay Me Damages. Problem solved! says:

    It will upset the ‘Shameless Culture’ who spend the lot on drugs, booze, fags, scratch cards and cable tv. Shame for the ones who don’t belong to the shameless culture.

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  33. 106
    keredybretsa says:

    Strivers v Skivers and the Strivers ain’t got a chance.

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  34. 110
    Popeye says:

    Well now, I’ve been bellowing for this for years.
    I have actually seen benefits claimants spend money on scratch cards and cigarettes. I can’t afford that luxury and I worked and paid taxes for 50 years.
    Food stamps, that’s the answer.

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  35. 113
    its bleak in sunderland says:

    Im all for getting tough with the shirkers but we also have to appl the same rules to members of the HOC and HOL the biggest benefit scroungers of them all start with taken away the subsidy for food and drink for a kick off,also implement 2nd class rail travel as recommended after the 2009 scandal and ban them form employing their own relatives which is a rip off .

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  36. 114
    Anonymous says:

    Yeah that should do wonders for local businesses that don’t have the privilege of using uncharged card machines.

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  37. 117
    Chimpanzee says:

    We suggested this for the Ashton-under-Lyne policy forum. What the government needs to do is procure with suppliers to get a discount like insurers and employee benefits schemes do.

    I recently got a voucher from my insurer from Argos to replace a stolen iPod. The conditions excluded phones and computers. I have an employee voucher scheme where I can prepay Asda vouchers at a 5% discount which allows you to buy anything. If you remove low margin products such as cigs, booze, petrol and other consumer electronics which a supermarket sells, then you could probably get a greater discount than 5%.

    Say the government preloads £100 worth of Asda vouchers onto the benefit card, they could get say 20% off. Apply this to the millions of benefit claimants and you will be saving billions a year. For clothes, let them spend it in local charity shops and places like Matalan and Primark. Not the standard issue trackies and Nike Air Max from JD Sports.

    You would also ensure that feckless families spend their benefit where it’s needed. Not on cigs and booze, then running off crying to the foodbank blaming the nasty Tories for not having enough money.

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  38. 126
    Frank's son says:

    Forgive me is this was already mentioned. I was unemployed for a while earlier this year. I got my £71.50p paid into my account. Then by direct debit I paid gas, electric, water rates, home contents insurance, an endowment policy….get the picture?

    If JSA was only paid via a card then how would folk in a similar position pay for these services? Instead of know-all politician (who know fuck all) trying to sound clever, they should first try living on unemployment benefit for a few months.

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    • 137
      next says:

      Pay your standing orders using the card too…

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      • 139
        Frank's son says:

        I don’t need to because I am now employed. Seems a lot of hassle to have to re-arrange bank payments.

        Perhaps our esteemed MEP’s and MP’s can lead the way with their expenses (read benefits) with a similar card scheme?

        No flying to Europe on economy and claiming expenses for business class anymore! Yes, they should set the ball rolling with a card scheme for expenses. Or will that fall on deaf ears in the halls of Westminster?

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  39. 136
    the poor bloody taxpayer says:

    farmers country wide will delight in joining the same hand out queue as those who can’t afford to pay their subsidies

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  40. 142

    It seems it is bigot’s corner today. ‘Fecklessness’ no less.

    Maybe the right-wing imbeciles who post this crap might just ask themselves why unemployment has gone up to 2.5 million. Anything to do with an economic crisis or capitalism? No of course not, it’s just ‘inverse Darwinism’ i.e. the idiot who said this subscribes to the idea of Hitler and the American eugenicists that poverty is a product of the individual not the system.

    Strange how we have one welfare system for bankers (i.e. pay their gambling debts) and another for the working class. So much for the ‘free’ market.

    Meanwhile there are plenty of idiots williing to absorb the crap from the Sun, Express & Mail

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    • 158
      (Sir) Fred Goodwin says:

      Tony isn’t it time we “forgot” about benefit claimants “indirections” and “moved on”? What you say, old chap? :-0

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  41. 144
    Any Mouse says:

    A good idea in principle but of course we will need to ensure it is not abused so there will need to be information held on the card. That would be a photo, fingerprints, an iris scan maybe and then address information of course. Does that sound just a teeny bit like the ID card project that Dave et al cancelled after millions had been spent on it?

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  42. 146
    Jess The Dog says:

    I have some sympathy with the idea, but, if I ever end up unemployed, then I expect a modicum of temporary support in return for the taxes I have paid as well as acknowledgement that I am intelligent enough to spend the bounty wisely until restored to employment.

    Why not make MPs claim expenses on a card with similarly stringent restrictions. Stop them claiming booze and porn, for a start!

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  43. 152
    Wet feet says:

    Yeah, ration books is the answer! Go for it.

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  44. 153
    Alec Shelbrooke M.P. - Tory intellectual says:

    With the economy in ruins after three decades of Thatcherite bollocks; the electoral support of all three Establishment parties in freefall; and hatred of the mis-ruling class rapidly approaching homicidal levels, I have concluded there is only one thing to do.

    Blame the victims and smash the poor.

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  45. 154
    A Pieer says:

    Benefit Scroungers: I say, Hang the lot of ‘em.

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  46. 155
    Al says:

    Benefit Claimant: We say: “Hang the lot of ‘em!”

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  47. 156
    Anonymous says:

    Just think if we all woke up tomorrow and benefit claimants had all been exterminated, just think how much better off we would all be, just think :-)

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  48. 162
    Pete says:

    The BBC can spend handouts of public money on sh*te like Eastenders and Casualty.

    The local council can spend tax cash on ultra-generous pensions for its employees and on hiring lots of diversity and equality managers.

    The government spends tax cash on useless windmills and opera companies.

    Let’s give these organisations cash cards so they can only spend our money wisely, and not waste it as they wish.

    That’d save lots more than stopping those on benefits buying a few fags or cans of lager.

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  49. 163
    Porky pie says:

    If Fabian group DEMOS supports this move, look for what the real motive is. A control agenda – Don’t be fooled.

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  50. 164
    Monica says:

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  51. 165
    Anonymous says:

    what a load of poo poo sorry its degrading enough as it is on benifits with what they think you can live on …..makes my blood boil there are people out there that are on benifits because they have a long term illness or for other ligitamat reasons they probably feel it bad enough they cant support thier familys without going to a supermarket and giving a welfare card over to pay for thier shopping how bloody embarrasing you might as well put people all in orange boiler suits and put on benifits on the back of it !

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