December 12th, 2012

Best of Times, Worst of Times

As the tributes flood from Times staff to James Harding here is how he stood with the other editors:

Word is that him and Rupert were barely on speaking terms. 


  1. 1
    Anonymous says:

    yeah me neither. I haven’t called Rupert in years

  2. 2
    Medja student says:

    Are they all dead then Guido?

    Except for the Guardian, which can live on its ofshore capital gains for a few more years?

    Will Lebedev continue to mop up the Indy’s losses?

    And I suppose Bloomberg might run the FT as a loss leader…

  3. 3
    Just asking says:

    Is anyone on speaking terms with Rupie?

  4. 4
    Rupert says:

    You never call,you never write…..

  5. 5
    Sir Arthur Strebe-Grebling says:

    Can The Times ever recover from Harding’s dumbed-down fashion-obsessed tabloid?

  6. 6
    Tay King-dePisse says:

    “…[H]im and Rupert…”
    Nice street-cred touch. (None of this Lah-dee-dah grammar, like: “he and Rupert,” as the pronoun is the subject of a subordinate clause.) Dumb it down for all us plebs out here. We hates them poncy toffs wot spe*aks correckly, don’tcha know, an’ we don’t wants ta sound like ‘em, evva.

  7. 7
    Backs and Posh says:

    Keith Blackmoire is a sports hack

    That should liven up the front pages of the Times

    Footie players like us plastered all over the Icon of the British Press…

  8. 8
    GQ Magazine Editor says:

    I beg your pardon?

    Fashion is the most important thingy in the world

    The plebs cannot live without it…

  9. 9
    Daily Star reporter says:

    Will the new Editor bring big titties and camltoes onto the front page of the venerable Times?

    It’s their only way out…

  10. 10
    News Corp e-mail remover says:

    Omerta is the order of the day

  11. 11
    Rotten to the Stemcore says:

    Didn’t Margaret Hodge say last week she’d be “taking action” against those who’ve made “scurrilous and defamatory” allegations about her?

    Why the silence since then?

  12. 12
    The Beast of Sydney says:

    kick him
    Its easier

  13. 13
    V1le Labour ruined my Country says:

    I’m an MP, I’m too busy thieving from the taxpayer to read any of this.

  14. 14
    Hansard writer says:

    What is this lover’s troff between the Torygraph and Downing Street Guido?

    It sounds very serious…

  15. 15
    Hansard writer says:


    Should read “tiff”

    I have troughing on the mind…

    Professional deformation…

  16. 16
    @# says:

    I read the Times for about 20 years in the 80s & 90s. I always found it a massive learning resource. I gave up when it went tabloid.

    After the hacking scandal I wouldn’t give it house room now.

  17. 17
    Editor of the Tatler says:

    I think the Finking Fink should be Editor personally

    By far the most intelligent of a poor lot…

    And Dave should give him a lifelong peerage at thje same time

    Can you imagine Lord Finking-Fink of Paywalls and Parts North?

  18. 18
    The Beast of Damascus says:

    She is too busy chasing tax evaders is the simple answer
    Mainly she will be going through a list of her closest relatives and members of her “Temple”
    One way trip to Tel Aviv for the” holiday season”

  19. 19
    Lord Pwescott of High Timbers says:

    I give it loo room…Just…

  20. 20
    Living in 97.8% white North Wales says:

    I hope that the £10.8 MILLION that Rebakah Brooks received for resigning due to wrongdoing was fully taxed before she got her grubby maulers on it. I wouldn’t want to find out that it was paid the a service company or to a tax haven. This is an obscenity. Reward for failure that Cameron said wouldn’t be tolerated.

    Will he comdemn it?

  21. 21
    Connaisseur says:

    Downing Street press relations have broken down since our Gabs went on maternity leave Guido

    It is time to send dave on paternity leave again, I think…

  22. 22
    bergen says:

    I have a memory that there was an undertaking of editorial independence when Murdoch took over all those years ago. Never believed it and I probably imagined it anyway.

  23. 23
    Connaisseur says:

    It will no doubt pass thru a suitably tax efficient island….

    Rupie has armies of lawyers working for him

    Including the former Director of Public Prosecutions FFS..Lord McDonald thingy…

  24. 24
    The Chipping Norton Set says:

    We want it to be known that we fully behind our Beccie…

    She is a founding member and deserves all our sympathy



  25. 25
    Uncle Rupie down under but not out says:

    “Editorial independence” did you say…

    Something for amateurs and the birdies, not us hard bitten pros…

  26. 26
    I don't nee d no do ctor says:


  27. 27
    Dog Watcher says:

    Like a dog chasing her tail.

  28. 28
    Your details will not be shared, honest says:

    Times paywall is the biggest load of unimaginative load of nonsense since private Golf Clubs. Trying to bring some warped exclusivity to their chip paper concern – my fat backside! The other three must be laughing their bollox off.

  29. 29
    Hodge Bodge says:

    Such a tiny, tiny, tiny amount of vexatious immoral tax…

  30. 30
    Living in 97.8% white North Wales says:

    I’m so incensed I spelt Rebekah and condemn wrong.

  31. 31
    Your details will not be shared, honest says:

    The triumverate of Guardian/Independent/Telegraph are coining it will online advertising, I have heard. The Times? – you must be joking.

  32. 32
    HenryV says:

    When will Order-Order go behind the pay wall?

  33. 33
    Living in 97.8% white North Wales says:

    Or licking its bollocks

  34. 34
    Dave tells Miliwank to shut up says:

  35. 35
    Anonymous says:

    Rebekah Brooks was given £11m pay-off from News Corp after phone-hacking scandal, official documents reveal

    Read more:
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  36. 36
    Never forget says:

    It is such a shame that a certain PR guy cannot spin a story to distract from R, as he did when she was up for domestic assault some time back.

  37. 37
    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    Times went tits-up because Murdoch turned it into a Blairite New Labour apologist rag.
    Fvcking awful decision, even if it chimed with the natural inclinations of most of the editorial staff at the paper, bloody terrible for the traditional readership.

  38. 38
    ah! monika's moniker is a gonner says:

    Jimmy Savile abuse: Number of alleged victims reaches 450.

    That’s one a day for approx 15 months. Must be more.

  39. 39
    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    Hasn’t been the “Torygraph” for about 5 years. Now mostly a Labour shill that tries to get right-wingers voting UKIP to help Labour through the back door.

  40. 40
    Mornington Crescent says:

    “Let’s goo an’ wreck a reshtront, aye” says one of the fattest Jockanese slobs in the Commons.

  41. 41
    Your details will not be shared, honest says:

    Murdoch plays it whichever way the wind blows, you silly naive sod.

  42. 42
    Matron Miller says:

    Report to Matron’s office immediately. I need some new tips on thieving.

  43. 43
    Gonk III says:

    Thunderer an appropriate name for a 2nd WW battleship thinking itself
    invulnerable to missile technology. *BANG* gurgle, sink.

  44. 44
    Matron Miller says:

    Does News Corp need a new Matron?

  45. 45
    Traditional Times Reader says:

    The traditional readership of the Times switched to Gwido’s blog

    Better informed, free and at least it takes the p’ss out of all these pretentious PC asses…

    And no fucking footie either….

  46. 46
    Your details will not be shared, honest says:

    “LEG IT – keep up Boris, you fat ol’ boy…”

    Made me laugh to hear that Boris has tasted prison food, alegedly, and all that.

  47. 47
    Someone needs to tell them to shut the fuck up says:

    The census shows muzees only constitute 4% of the population. And yet they keep getting everything they ask for and everything they want.

  48. 48
    Matron Miller says:

    Quite true. I am always looking through 1930s copies of The Lady for fashion tips.

  49. 49
    Sex Hack says:

    Savile will keep the Dead Tree Press alive for months…

    Thanks Jimmy…

  50. 50
    Mr BumBum says:

    It’s hard to talk with your mouth full.

  51. 51
    Le Monde correspondent says:

    Indeed, I think it was hit by an Ecocet some years ago

  52. 52
    Mr BumBum says:

    I would have thought WWF would be more appropriate for someone of your build.

  53. 53
    Anonymous says:

    None of them have loads of tit & bum and the sports pages, mostly footie, does not cover a third of the papers.

  54. 54
    Anonymous says:

    when syrian rebels appear to be pro al.qaeda
    when syrian rebels appear to hack those they do not like …video on the net…

    what are we doing sticking our nose into this?
    there is talk of wmd too. chemical stuff.

    why do we meddle?

  55. 55
    Your details will not be shared, honest says:

    some were asleep, or in a coma…

  56. 56
    Matron Miller says:

    I once caught Cameron junior trying that trick. Cold showers for 6 months cured him.

  57. 57
    Red Tories, Blue Labour, Yellow Shite says:

    Don’t know, never read the rag anymore. Stopped reading it in the 90’s because it was so crap.

  58. 58
    Living in 97.8% white North Wales says:

    “we are taking more money FOR the rich.”

    Did Scameron really say that?

  59. 59
    Abdel from Tooting says:

    I have not bought a copy of the Times for ten years now .

    I can honestly say it has done me no harm whatsoever.

  60. 60
    Janet Street Banger says:

    I wouldn’t invite this Front Bench into my local pub…

    Would you?

  61. 61
    Diana says:

    I did my bit.

  62. 62
    Mr BumBum says:

    Baron Finkelstein of Tel Aviv has a nice ring to it

  63. 63
    Firefox user says:

    What adverts?

  64. 64
    A Reporter from the Daily Planet says:

    We love our Editor.

  65. 65
    Mr BumBum says:

    Shouldn’t that be “Lots of Love”?

    PS Charlie’s arsehole says “Hi”

  66. 66
    I Remember You Hoo says:

    It always struck me as to why they chose to live around Chipping Norton. By any standards and certainly by Cotswold standards, it’s a prettty drab and unremarkable place.

  67. 67
    well who would have guessed says:

    The Conservatives don’t exist , just like Labour , they were taken over by a mafia from Londonistan for a few Euro’s, time to go back to bad times before we get to good times innit.

  68. 68
    Mr BumBum says:

    Boris has had all sorts in his mouth over the years.

  69. 69
    Anonymous says:

    GQ get over it they don’t have tit & bum section like Dirty Des and Ru-pee’s other papers

  70. 70
    Your details will not be shared, honest says:

    subliminal – it’s all that flashing bit. Yes, you didn’t imagine it.

  71. 71
    albacore says:

    Sod The Times, the times are a-changing
    The whole damned country’s rearranging
    The Times of London’s way out of time
    The census made it a pantomime

  72. 72
    Alexander 'the mafia is my business' Lebedev says:

    Quite so and long may we continue to print utterly risable stories and sleb gossip.

  73. 73
    Anonymous says:

    Never hit on your way up the greasy pole because you might meet him on your way down. Just a thought.

  74. 74
    Your details will not be shared, honest says:

    oh I see, Firefox. I get it now… But you are the minority – at least I can find cheap insurance for my budgie…

  75. 75
    Matron Miller says:

    Widdi’s Wonderful Fashions? A splendid and most avante-garde emporium. I get all my knickers from their tent department.

  76. 76
    Englishman says:

    Yes, it does grate doesn’t it, even when read rather than spoken. And in an article about the Thunderer too. I have bought it (the paper version) on occasion, but it has such a tawdry dumbed down format with its silly little pages. Bring back full format I say. We do need a centre right newspaper now that the Telegraph has moved to the dark side.

  77. 77
    well who would have guessed says:

    If he condemned it , he wouldn’t get a payday.

  78. 78
    Living in 97.8% white North Wales says:

    There was a time when Blair walked on water

  79. 79
    Ed Miliband (Prime Minister designate) says:

    It is a fact that the Conservative led coalition has raised VAT.

    A most regressive tax,and another reason not to vote Tory at the next General Election

  80. 80
    Guardian Media Group says:

    Cooee, if any of you guys want advice on offshore tax avoidance schemes, give us a shout. We get out of paying millions every year.

  81. 81
    Ex public schoolboy says:

    “I once caught Cameron junior trying that trick.” Very self serving, but it does require pretty supple muscles and a flexible back.

  82. 82
    Cen Sus says:

    So many coloureds in London now they are reversing the stripes on Zebra crossings.

  83. 83
    Living in 97.8% white North Wales says:

    Was Flashman’s face red?

  84. 84
    Living in 97.8% white North Wales says:

    If they’re losing money the tax haven isn’t much good to them

  85. 85
    I Remember You Hoo says:

    Aye, there was also a time when most folk thought Bliar was honest too. Didn’t last long though.

  86. 86
    Your details will not be shared, honest says:

    “I want a horse for Xmas and I know I will get it” tribe don’t know that they are born.

  87. 87
    Living in 97.8% white North Wales says:

    And will she give it all back if she’s convicted? Or was she really acting on Rupe’s orders?

  88. 88
    Guido Fawkes says:

    Quote of the century for Ed Miliband.

    Ed Miliband on the Tories – “They hit people they never meet and whose lives they will never understand”

    Brilliant,and he will carry on wiping the floor with “Fatty” Dave at PMQ’s.

  89. 89
    Baron Finklestein of Tel Aviv says:

    Thankyou for noticing cheeky boy.

  90. 90
    Your details will not be shared, honest says:

    he-he-he nice one. And the Met will now be dressed in white…

  91. 91
    Douglas says:

    Police have set up ‘Operation Fairbank’ to investigate Labour MP Tom Watson’s allegations of a p*edophile ring in high places

  92. 92
    Your details will not be shared, honest says:

    …and dominoes in pubs will be white with black spots.. No, hold on, that goes on already…

  93. 93
    Lady Britain says:

    am suprised they aren’t seriously looking at dropping the pay wall ..that alone would remedy their drop a good deal

  94. 94
    I Remember You Hoo says:

    Like you will be any better Ed? Pull the other one, how much is that Climate Change claptrap bill going to cost everyone, including the very poorest in society? Tosser.

  95. 95
    Your details will not be shared, honest says:

    Perhaps that’s why he was caught, he wanted to be caught, to try “prison food”, and drop his soap in the showers…

  96. 96
    Meanwhile says:

    Hope they send the fat fucker the bill, when then result – not proven – comes in.

  97. 97
    Lady Britain says:

    Inspector Bunter of the Lard

  98. 98
    The Grauniad says:

    Ich bin ein Berliner

  99. 99
    Your details will not be shared, honest says:

    Times Online is a confirmed loss leader for Murdoch, in last place.

  100. 100
    The Labour Party says:

    Tell us about it

  101. 101
    Tiny.url says:

    You don’t mean ‘ocelot’ do you?

  102. 102
    Fishy says:

    Now mostly a Labour shill that tries to get right-wingers voting UKIP to help Labour through the back door.

    That’s ‘The Daily Mail’ and the ‘Snail on Monday’. The Mail edited by Gordon’s walking and breakfasting companion, Daker.

  103. 103
    Lady Britain says:

    obviously but surely droping the wall would see advertising swell profits whilst the brand broadens it’s readership. It seems to work for the washington post

  104. 104
    Gooey Blob says:

    Ed will never be PM, supplementary polling questions show the Tories will win easily in 2015. Foot had a mid-term poll lead twice that of Miliband’s, and so did Kinnock.

  105. 105
    Julia Middleton says:

    He tried it with the News of the World – how did that go?

  106. 106
    Ich bin eine Lahndahner says:

    No doubt, several times, to his mates, in back rooms.

  107. 107
    Sir William W says:

    Funny how these journo types feel qualified to tell everyone else how to do their jobs, doncha know?

  108. 108
    Gooey Blob says:

    Miliband comes off worse more often than not.

  109. 109
    Tiny.url says:

    As a Frenchman you should have known this was an Exocet

  110. 110
    Ich bin eine Lahndahner says:

    Yes, but Murdoch has been working hard to lick up to the establishment since his, AHEM!, little difficulties in the UK of GB & NI.

  111. 111
    Pleb says:

    So Ed’s really one of us then?

  112. 112
    Living in 97.8% white North Wales says:

    No, didn’t he say it in PMQs today?

  113. 113
    Living in 97.8% white North Wales says:

    Don’t you mean an ‘ocelot’?

  114. 114
    Lady Britain says:

    excuse us

  115. 115
    Janet Street Whore says:

    Button mushroom.

  116. 116
    Ich bin ein Schmerz in den Arsch says:

    OK, so you’re a jelly doughnut, so what?

  117. 117
    The Census says:

    We just count ‘em. Blame whoever lets ‘em through in the first place.

  118. 118
    Living in 97.3 percent white Wirral says:

    Rebakar sounds like someone who wears a headscarf.

  119. 119
    Southern Softy says:

    No, he’s one of them

  120. 120
    The Nicey Party says:

    You have been watching a promo’ on behalf of Dave Nicey’s NewCon Party

  121. 121
    Ich bin eine Lahndahner says:

    eine form for ladies, isn’t it? mmm, Lahndahn ladies, mmmm…

    Give over guv, I’m hot and needing sarmm…

  122. 122
    Ich bin eine Lahndahner says:

    ask Euan Blair in Coventry – he knows the full story. And Blair was the good cop to that numbnuts George dubious Bush, so Blair saved the world, as like Brown did in 2008, you tory numbnut faggots.

    You wind me up you public schooled tory drop soapers in showers, you lot do!

  123. 123
    Brian yewtree-fairbanks the third says:

    Tom Scumson will be trying to pull some favours from Labour’s copper placemen to get any result at all ..allegedly.

  124. 124
    Ich bin eine Lahndahner says:

    oh yes he did – oh no he didn’t – oh yes he did, etc..

    Yes you are right, he did say it this saffa, lunchtime – Dave Cee lost his rag again, and I like the way he bashes his clipfile on the dispatch box when he starts to get wound up, picked up by the mic next to him. He’s a tosser drama queen, isn’t he friend?

  125. 125
    Ich bin eine Lahndahner says:

    keep scribbling. Whatt is your true monika by the way, tell us – you must be a good read, non-shades of grey maybe… : )

  126. 126
    Gordon Brown MP says:

    Circulation halved mainly because Caitlin fucking Moran was on every other page.

  127. 127
    Ich bin eine Lahndahner says:

    Caitlin Moran??? who the fuck is she when she is at home? Behined a paywall? Oh, that explains it.

    Brilliant Caitlin here, a better and more interesting, and accessible, form,

    What do you say Dylan about these Times sorts? (Dylan hundredth birth next October, by the way – feel free to infestate Swansea and Laugharme next year, cuture London vultures,your welcome),

  128. 128
    Ich bin eine Lahndahner says:

    hopeless, no doubt.

  129. 129
    Ich bin eine Lahndahner says:

    …or for the new “Savile Appreciation Society”? Ey 1922 Committee/Bullingdon/Tory club?

  130. 130
    Grollace says:

    Got rid of my Times one-click Pane when they went to ‘Subscription Options.’
    Soon forgot about them.
    History of the Future?……. certainly History

  131. 131
    Tom tWATSON says:

    …and now as the Telegraph have introduced monthly subscriptions to view more than 20 uselessly written articles, then wait for the next series of circulation figures!!! They’re going to bomb – big time!

  132. 132
    Blowing Whistles says:

    I wonder how many coppers in the Strathclyde region – Murdoch’s footsoldiers have bribed over the years? Plenty by all accounts out here in the real world.

  133. 133
    MI four and a half says:

    Telegraph dipping their toe in the drought – interesting, didn’t know that. Thanks.

  134. 134
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Did someone mention Daker the darker? – I see that his DTP have published a very watered down article today in the name of Sandra Parsons pg 15 – who has written a very ‘cleansed’ piece about Jacintha’s Hospital Businees Employers…

    We Musn’t plagerise on here!!! so here’s the link…

    However Sandra – your article was trumped “days ago” – by a far more “incisive piece” written on this site – even if I say so myself …

    Don’t suppose she ever reads Guido Fawkes’ website …..

    The DTP are – shown to be ‘way behind the times!’ [double pun intended]

    I am Flattered by the Darker one and his paid hackettes cleansed piece. Do keep up.

  135. 135
    Blowing Whistles says:

    BTW – There is a bigger message for many readers here – if they care to think about it.

    I don’t need an army of festering greedy fee gathering lawyers – to advise me as to what I can and cannot say / write
    i.e. The Daker press et all have “legions of duplicitous legals” – who ain’t quite tellin the truth.

  136. 136
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Fink is – caught out by his own past scribblings [published and in the Public Domain] and his ‘silence’ in respect of some of his particular ‘scribblings’ and his unwillingness to point proper daggers or shed proper light into the darker workings of the press [legals & CPS] and its cosiness with the pygmies of Parliament.

    I mus re-read Gullivers Travels this week end.

  137. 137

    fuck off 81lly / Kebab Time

  138. 138
    Blowing Whistles says:

    The problem with Julia is that essentially she speaks with the same type of ‘forked-tongue’ as Rupee does. Both of them appear [more than evidentially] to be preaching diagonally and diametrically from opposite directions when in reality they both ‘only strive’ for there to be a ‘locking down’ of the public speaking out [The Public Interest] about the corruption visited upon the general public by both the left and right wings’ most corrupted ‘high profile’ miscreants [Ref Rowan Atkinsons – recent 10 min speech re: how the high profile people can get their problems resolved while the low profile get fcUKed] and a cross party complicity to protect themselves above the publics interest.

  139. 139
    HenryV says:

    iPad, iPod, I conquered.

  140. 140
    HenryV says:

    Now I know why commentators here change their name so regularly.

  141. 141
    London travel agency for copping off says:

    blame norton symantec trawl – I will have to change their settings sometime – can’t remember what name I posted last at times. Think every hour is a bit over the top for a trawl, I think norton…

  142. 142
    Whistle Watch says:

    The mail piece certainly does seem to praecae a lot of what has been written here – but then what was written here was extrapolating the expected narrative.

    First mention in that mail article though of nurses culture: Have been waiting for that one to be played.

    Interesting to see the reports today though indicating note had been left, nurse found hanged and had been dead a while as well. Shame those who discovered her cut her down. Understandable, but they should not have disturbed the scene before police arrived.

    Given the timeline, if it was suicide, something fairly drastic must have happened to change her state in that short a time, the employers appear to be back in the frame.

    Assuming suicide, direct pressure must have been applied to this woman and whoever did that did not understand what buttons they were pressing: Not the media. She is originally from Karnataka, and Southern India does have some of the highest suicide rates in the world.

    So it shall continue to spin.

    Post mortem results not to be released until inquest is complete.

  143. 143
    Give us a cuddle says:

    I passed your question on to St Tone. His reply was to the effect that “we meddle in the middle and end up in a muddle”.

    Hope that helps

  144. 144
    Give us a cuddle says:

    Yeah, I always found that the ideal place in which to do the crossword puzzle.

  145. 145
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Yes WW – and there will of course be no CCTV footage available – whatsoever …

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