December 12th, 2012

Best of Times, Worst of Times

As the tributes flood from Times staff to James Harding here is how he stood with the other editors:

Word is that him and Rupert were barely on speaking terms. 


145 Comments

  1. 1
    Anonymous says:

    yeah me neither. I haven’t called Rupert in years

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  2. 2
    Medja student says:

    Are they all dead then Guido?

    Except for the Guardian, which can live on its ofshore capital gains for a few more years?

    Will Lebedev continue to mop up the Indy’s losses?

    And I suppose Bloomberg might run the FT as a loss leader…

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    • 31
      Your details will not be shared, honest says:

      The triumverate of Guardian/Independent/Telegraph are coining it will online advertising, I have heard. The Times? – you must be joking.

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  3. 3
    Just asking says:

    Is anyone on speaking terms with Rupie?

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  4. 5
    Sir Arthur Strebe-Grebling says:

    Can The Times ever recover from Harding’s dumbed-down fashion-obsessed tabloid?

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  5. 6
    Tay King-dePisse says:

    “…[H]im and Rupert…”
    Nice street-cred touch. (None of this Lah-dee-dah grammar, like: “he and Rupert,” as the pronoun is the subject of a subordinate clause.) Dumb it down for all us plebs out here. We hates them poncy toffs wot spe*aks correckly, don’tcha know, an’ we don’t wants ta sound like ‘em, evva.

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    • 76
      Englishman says:

      Yes, it does grate doesn’t it, even when read rather than spoken. And in an article about the Thunderer too. I have bought it (the paper version) on occasion, but it has such a tawdry dumbed down format with its silly little pages. Bring back full format I say. We do need a centre right newspaper now that the Telegraph has moved to the dark side.

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  6. 7
    Backs and Posh says:

    Keith Blackmoire is a sports hack

    That should liven up the front pages of the Times

    Footie players like us plastered all over the Icon of the British Press…

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  7. 9
    Daily Star reporter says:

    Will the new Editor bring big titties and camltoes onto the front page of the venerable Times?

    It’s their only way out…

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  8. 11
    Rotten to the Stemcore says:

    Didn’t Margaret Hodge say last week she’d be “taking action” against those who’ve made “scurrilous and defamatory” allegations about her?

    Why the silence since then?

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    • 18
      The Beast of Damascus says:

      She is too busy chasing tax evaders is the simple answer
      Mainly she will be going through a list of her closest relatives and members of her “Temple”
      One way trip to Tel Aviv for the” holiday season”

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  9. 12
    The Beast of Sydney says:

    NEVER HIT A MAN WHEN HE IS DOWN!
    kick him
    Its easier

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    • 73
      Anonymous says:

      Never hit on your way up the greasy pole because you might meet him on your way down. Just a thought.

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  10. 14
    Hansard writer says:

    What is this lover’s troff between the Torygraph and Downing Street Guido?

    It sounds very serious…

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    • 15
      Hansard writer says:

      Ooop

      Should read “tiff”

      I have troughing on the mind…

      Professional deformation…

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    • 39
      CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

      Hasn’t been the “Torygraph” for about 5 years. Now mostly a Labour shill that tries to get right-wingers voting UKIP to help Labour through the back door.

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      • 56
        Red Tories, Blue Labour, Yellow Shite says:

        Don’t know, never read the rag anymore. Stopped reading it in the 90’s because it was so crap.

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      • 67
        well who would have guessed says:

        The Conservatives don’t exist , just like Labour , they were taken over by a mafia from Londonistan for a few Euro’s, time to go back to bad times before we get to good times innit.

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      • 102
        Fishy says:

        Now mostly a Labour shill that tries to get right-wingers voting UKIP to help Labour through the back door.

        That’s ‘The Daily Mail’ and the ‘Snail on Monday’. The Mail edited by Gordon’s walking and breakfasting companion, Daker.

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        • 134
          Blowing Whistles says:

          Did someone mention Daker the darker? – I see that his DTP have published a very watered down article today in the name of Sandra Parsons pg 15 – who has written a very ‘cleansed’ piece about Jacintha’s Hospital Businees Employers…

          We Musn’t plagerise on here!!! so here’s the link…

          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2246687/Jacintha-Saldanha-death-Does-Kate-Middletons-hospital-care-PR-nurses.html

          However Sandra – your article was trumped “days ago” – by a far more “incisive piece” written on this site – even if I say so myself …

          Don’t suppose she ever reads Guido Fawkes’ website …..

          The DTP are – shown to be ‘way behind the times!’ [double pun intended]

          I am Flattered by the Darker one and his paid hackettes cleansed piece. Do keep up.

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          • Blowing Whistles says:

            BTW – There is a bigger message for many readers here – if they care to think about it.

            I don’t need an army of festering greedy fee gathering lawyers – to advise me as to what I can and cannot say / write
            i.e. The Daker press et all have “legions of duplicitous legals” – who ain’t quite tellin the truth.

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          • Whistle Watch says:

            The mail piece certainly does seem to praecae a lot of what has been written here – but then what was written here was extrapolating the expected narrative.

            First mention in that mail article though of nurses culture: Have been waiting for that one to be played.

            Interesting to see the reports today though indicating note had been left, nurse found hanged and had been dead a while as well. Shame those who discovered her cut her down. Understandable, but they should not have disturbed the scene before police arrived.

            Given the timeline, if it was suicide, something fairly drastic must have happened to change her state in that short a time, the employers appear to be back in the frame.

            Assuming suicide, direct pressure must have been applied to this woman and whoever did that did not understand what buttons they were pressing: Not the media. She is originally from Karnataka, and Southern India does have some of the highest suicide rates in the world.

            So it shall continue to spin.

            Post mortem results not to be released until inquest is complete.

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          • Blowing Whistles says:

            Yes WW – and there will of course be no CCTV footage available – whatsoever …

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  11. 16
    @# says:

    I read the Times for about 20 years in the 80s & 90s. I always found it a massive learning resource. I gave up when it went tabloid.

    After the hacking scandal I wouldn’t give it house room now.

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  12. 17
    Editor of the Tatler says:

    I think the Finking Fink should be Editor personally

    By far the most intelligent of a poor lot…

    And Dave should give him a lifelong peerage at thje same time

    Can you imagine Lord Finking-Fink of Paywalls and Parts North?

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    • 62
      Mr BumBum says:

      Baron Finkelstein of Tel Aviv has a nice ring to it

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      • 89
        Baron Finklestein of Tel Aviv says:

        Thankyou for noticing cheeky boy.

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        • 136
          Blowing Whistles says:

          Fink is – caught out by his own past scribblings [published and in the Public Domain] and his ‘silence’ in respect of some of his particular ‘scribblings’ and his unwillingness to point proper daggers or shed proper light into the darker workings of the press [legals & CPS] and its cosiness with the pygmies of Parliament.

          I mus re-read Gullivers Travels this week end.

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  13. 20
    Living in 97.8% white North Wales says:

    I hope that the £10.8 MILLION that Rebakah Brooks received for resigning due to wrongdoing was fully taxed before she got her grubby maulers on it. I wouldn’t want to find out that it was paid the a service company or to a tax haven. This is an obscenity. Reward for failure that Cameron said wouldn’t be tolerated.

    Will he comdemn it?

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    • 23
      Connaisseur says:

      It will no doubt pass thru a suitably tax efficient island….

      Rupie has armies of lawyers working for him

      Including the former Director of Public Prosecutions FFS..Lord McDonald thingy…

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    • 24
      The Chipping Norton Set says:

      We want it to be known that we fully behind our Beccie…

      She is a founding member and deserves all our sympathy

      Love

      Dave

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      • 65
        Mr BumBum says:

        Shouldn’t that be “Lots of Love”?

        PS Charlie’s arsehole says “Hi”

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      • 66
        I Remember You Hoo says:

        It always struck me as to why they chose to live around Chipping Norton. By any standards and certainly by Cotswold standards, it’s a prettty drab and unremarkable place.

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    • 77
      well who would have guessed says:

      If he condemned it , he wouldn’t get a payday.

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    • 87
      Living in 97.8% white North Wales says:

      And will she give it all back if she’s convicted? Or was she really acting on Rupe’s orders?

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  14. 21
    Connaisseur says:

    Downing Street press relations have broken down since our Gabs went on maternity leave Guido

    It is time to send dave on paternity leave again, I think…

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  15. 22
    bergen says:

    I have a memory that there was an undertaking of editorial independence when Murdoch took over all those years ago. Never believed it and I probably imagined it anyway.

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    • 25
      Uncle Rupie down under but not out says:

      “Editorial independence” did you say…

      Something for amateurs and the birdies, not us hard bitten pros…

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      • 72
        Alexander 'the mafia is my business' Lebedev says:

        Quite so and long may we continue to print utterly risable stories and sleb gossip.

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        • 80
          Guardian Media Group says:

          Cooee, if any of you guys want advice on offshore tax avoidance schemes, give us a shout. We get out of paying millions every year.

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  16. 26
    I don't nee d no do ctor says:

    MARGARET DODGE THE QUIET WOMAN OF WESTMINSTER.

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  17. 28
    Your details will not be shared, honest says:

    Times paywall is the biggest load of unimaginative load of nonsense since private Golf Clubs. Trying to bring some warped exclusivity to their chip paper concern – my fat backside! The other three must be laughing their bollox off.

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    • 105
      Julia Middleton says:

      He tried it with the News of the World – how did that go?

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      • 128
        Ich bin eine Lahndahner says:

        hopeless, no doubt.

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      • 138
        Blowing Whistles says:

        The problem with Julia is that essentially she speaks with the same type of ‘forked-tongue’ as Rupee does. Both of them appear [more than evidentially] to be preaching diagonally and diametrically from opposite directions when in reality they both ‘only strive’ for there to be a ‘locking down’ of the public speaking out [The Public Interest] about the corruption visited upon the general public by both the left and right wings’ most corrupted ‘high profile’ miscreants [Ref Rowan Atkinsons - recent 10 min speech re: how the high profile people can get their problems resolved while the low profile get fcUKed] and a cross party complicity to protect themselves above the publics interest.

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  18. 29
    Hodge Bodge says:

    Such a tiny, tiny, tiny amount of vexatious immoral tax…

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  19. 32
    HenryV says:

    When will Order-Order go behind the pay wall?

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  20. 34
    Dave tells Miliwank to shut up says:

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  21. 36
    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    Times went tits-up because Murdoch turned it into a Blairite New Labour apologist rag.
    Fvcking awful decision, even if it chimed with the natural inclinations of most of the editorial staff at the paper, bloody terrible for the traditional readership.

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    • 41
      Your details will not be shared, honest says:

      Murdoch plays it whichever way the wind blows, you silly naive sod.

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      • 78
        Living in 97.8% white North Wales says:

        There was a time when Blair walked on water

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        • 85
          I Remember You Hoo says:

          Aye, there was also a time when most folk thought Bliar was honest too. Didn’t last long though.

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          • The Labour Party says:

            Tell us about it

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          • Ich bin eine Lahndahner says:

            ask Euan Blair in Coventry – he knows the full story. And Blair was the good cop to that numbnuts George dubious Bush, so Blair saved the world, as like Brown did in 2008, you tory numbnut faggots.

            You wind me up you public schooled tory drop soapers in showers, you lot do!

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    • 45
      Traditional Times Reader says:

      The traditional readership of the Times switched to Gwido’s blog

      Better informed, free and at least it takes the p’ss out of all these pretentious PC asses…

      And no fucking footie either….

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  22. 38
    ah! monika's moniker is a gonner says:

    Jimmy Savile abuse: Number of alleged victims reaches 450.

    That’s one a day for approx 15 months. Must be more.

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  23. 43
    Gonk III says:

    Thunderer an appropriate name for a 2nd WW battleship thinking itself
    invulnerable to missile technology. *BANG* gurgle, sink.

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  24. 47
    Someone needs to tell them to shut the fuck up says:

    The census shows muzees only constitute 4% of the population. And yet they keep getting everything they ask for and everything they want.

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    • 86
      Your details will not be shared, honest says:

      “I want a horse for Xmas and I know I will get it” tribe don’t know that they are born.

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  25. 53
    Anonymous says:

    None of them have loads of tit & bum and the sports pages, mostly footie, does not cover a third of the papers.

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  26. 58
    Living in 97.8% white North Wales says:

    “we are taking more money FOR the rich.”

    Did Scameron really say that?

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    • 106
      Ich bin eine Lahndahner says:

      No doubt, several times, to his mates, in back rooms.

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      • 112
        Living in 97.8% white North Wales says:

        No, didn’t he say it in PMQs today?

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        • 124
          Ich bin eine Lahndahner says:

          oh yes he did – oh no he didn’t – oh yes he did, etc..

          Yes you are right, he did say it this saffa, lunchtime – Dave Cee lost his rag again, and I like the way he bashes his clipfile on the dispatch box when he starts to get wound up, picked up by the mic next to him. He’s a tosser drama queen, isn’t he friend?

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  27. 59
    Abdel from Tooting says:

    I have not bought a copy of the Times for ten years now .

    I can honestly say it has done me no harm whatsoever.

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  28. 64
    A Reporter from the Daily Planet says:

    We love our Editor.

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  29. 71
    albacore says:

    Sod The Times, the times are a-changing
    The whole damned country’s rearranging
    The Times of London’s way out of time
    The census made it a pantomime

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  30. 79
    Ed Miliband (Prime Minister designate) says:

    It is a fact that the Conservative led coalition has raised VAT.

    A most regressive tax,and another reason not to vote Tory at the next General Election

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    • 94
      I Remember You Hoo says:

      Like you will be any better Ed? Pull the other one, how much is that Climate Change claptrap bill going to cost everyone, including the very poorest in society? Tosser.

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      • 104
        Gooey Blob says:

        Ed will never be PM, supplementary polling questions show the Tories will win easily in 2015. Foot had a mid-term poll lead twice that of Miliband’s, and so did Kinnock.

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  31. 82
    Cen Sus says:

    So many coloureds in London now they are reversing the stripes on Zebra crossings.

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    • 90
      Your details will not be shared, honest says:

      he-he-he nice one. And the Met will now be dressed in white…

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      • 92
        Your details will not be shared, honest says:

        …and dominoes in pubs will be white with black spots.. No, hold on, that goes on already…

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  32. 88
    Guido Fawkes says:

    Quote of the century for Ed Miliband.

    Ed Miliband on the Tories – “They hit people they never meet and whose lives they will never understand”

    Brilliant,and he will carry on wiping the floor with “Fatty” Dave at PMQ’s.

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  33. 91
    Douglas says:

    Police have set up ‘Operation Fairbank’ to investigate Labour MP Tom Watson’s allegations of a p*edophile ring in high places

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  34. 93
    Lady Britain says:

    am suprised they aren’t seriously looking at dropping the pay wall ..that alone would remedy their drop a good deal

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    • 99
      Your details will not be shared, honest says:

      Times Online is a confirmed loss leader for Murdoch, in last place.

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    • 103
      Lady Britain says:

      obviously but surely droping the wall would see advertising swell profits whilst the brand broadens it’s readership. It seems to work for the washington post

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      • 110
        Ich bin eine Lahndahner says:

        Yes, but Murdoch has been working hard to lick up to the establishment since his, AHEM!, little difficulties in the UK of GB & NI.

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        • 132
          Blowing Whistles says:

          I wonder how many coppers in the Strathclyde region – Murdoch’s footsoldiers have bribed over the years? Plenty by all accounts out here in the real world.

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    • 107
      Sir William W says:

      Funny how these journo types feel qualified to tell everyone else how to do their jobs, doncha know?

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  35. 126
    Gordon Brown MP says:

    Circulation halved mainly because Caitlin fucking Moran was on every other page.

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    • 127
      Ich bin eine Lahndahner says:

      Caitlin Moran??? who the fuck is she when she is at home? Behined a paywall? Oh, that explains it.

      Brilliant Caitlin here, a better and more interesting, and accessible, form,

      What do you say Dylan about these Times sorts? (Dylan hundredth birth next October, by the way – feel free to infestate Swansea and Laugharme next year, cuture London vultures,your welcome),

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  36. 130
    Grollace says:

    Got rid of my Times one-click Pane when they went to ‘Subscription Options.’
    Soon forgot about them.
    History of the Future?……. certainly History

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  37. 131
    Tom tWATSON says:

    …and now as the Telegraph have introduced monthly subscriptions to view more than 20 uselessly written articles, then wait for the next series of circulation figures!!! They’re going to bomb – big time!

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  38. 140
    HenryV says:

    Now I know why commentators here change their name so regularly.

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    • 141
      London travel agency for copping off says:

      blame norton symantec trawl – I will have to change their settings sometime – can’t remember what name I posted last at times. Think every hour is a bit over the top for a trawl, I think norton…

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Mycroft says:

Have you read the last bit of Animal Farm?

You know where the animals are looking through the Farmhouse window?

My TV screen was that window at lunch-time today.

Be careful, the sudden self-congratulatory tone, the slightly pudgy outline of indulgence and you become exactly what you should despise.

The jolly face of the Quisling Cameron poses for your camera has mesmerised and deceived you, you who were once not so deceived.

You were no firebrand, you were a damp squib in my opinion, sorry.

You need a damned good kick up the ahse!


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