December 10th, 2012

Home Office Using Labour Lines on Snooping Law

Tomorrow two parliamentary inquiries are published into Theresa May’s internet snooping plans and are expected to be grim reading for the Home Office. One of the main criticisms set to be levelled by both the Joint Committee on the Draft Communications Data Bill and the Joint Intelligence Committee, is that the evidence provided by the Home Office has been “fanciful” and “misleading.” Too add insult to injury, Guido can this afternoon reveal leaked CCHQ documents that show how before the election the Tories were not quite as enthusiastic about the plans, refusing to legislate before an evidence-based review of current powers and data was undertaken and calling Labour’s argument that it was all about “maintaining capabilities” ostentatious:

Conservative Campaign Guide, 2010.

Collection of Personal Details.
In April 2009 the Government announced that it had dropped proposals for a central database to collect details of email, phone and internet communications. However it published a consultation on plans to collect details about all our personal communications ostensibly on the grounds of maintaining existing police and security service capabilities to counter serious crime and terrorism.

Threat to privacy.
Instead of a central database, the Home Office now proposes requiring each service provider to collect and store information on calls, texts, emails and website visits so that the security service and other public authorities can access it when needed. The information will include who is contacting whom, when and where and which websites are visited, but not the content of the conversations or messages (Home Office, Protecting the public in a changing communications environment, 27 April 2009). The Information Commissioner responded by saying that ‘this proposal represents a step change in the relationship between the citizen and the state’. He also criticised the Government for not providing sufficient detail of its proposals (Information Commissioner’s response to Protecting the Public in a Changing Communication Environment – A consultation by the Home Office, 15 July 2009)

Communications Data Retention Reviewed.
A Conservative government would conduct an evidence-based review of the retention of communications data. It would look at how useful existing powers are to law enforcement and intelligence authorities before suggesting that even more communications data should be collected. If there is a capability gap a Conservative government would investigate how much data should be collected and for how long, and look at the rules that should govern its exploitation.

No such review took place, and exactly the same argument of “maintaining capability” has been used by the Home Office for this Bill. Sir Humphrey the spook is alive and well…


  1. 1
    Popeye says:

    What ever happened to the Data Protection Act?
    I hadn’t heard it had been rescinded.

  2. 2
    8illy 8owden, the world's greatist umplre says:

    Been waiting all day to find out who’s been arrested.

    It’s going to be a biggie…

  3. 3
    Kebab Time says:

    Labour/Tories , no difference.

    *It doesnt matter who you vote for as the government always gets in*

  4. 4
    Anonymous says:

    Wonder what Silent Bob has to say about this.

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    Humphrey says:

    Ministers are ephemeral, here today gone tomorrow. The Civil service is the real and permanennt government of the country.

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    @Sally Bercow says:

    It worries me that the government will have access to personal details like when I’m having a shit or my husband can’t get the horn *Angry face*

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    Marmite says:

    This country is going to the dogs.

    I am sick and tired of Politicians acting so sanctimonious when all the time they just want to shut us up so that they can carry on robbing us poor tax payers!

    They must think we’re all m.or.ons.

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    Well it's a thought says:

    Are we sure Liebour didn’t get back in power in May 2010, it seems as if we had no change in government, just the twats who have changed hair styles.

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    @Sally Bercow says:

    That’s what he said and why he’s been arrested

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    Marmite says:

    + ever so many

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    Hank the Cat says:

    No matter which way you look at it this a move so that the phucking MP’s of all parties to control the internet. Phucking Ministerium für Staatssicherheit or as we all know it that socialist charity known as the STASI

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    Silent Bob says:
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    Prof McLean says:

    It is so depressing. I had ( foolishly) assumed that the attempts at snooping and ID Cards had got as far they did because Labour appointed complete f**kwits to be Home Sec, ( Jack “boot” Strraw, The Blind Beggar, John “Stitch that” Reid, the loathsome Jacqui ).
    This sort of control freakery has been Home Office policy since the 1970s and it was only because the Labour ones were so brainless that it was at last being implemented.
    But it’s not ! Every bugger that sits at the desk seems to have some sort of Klingon Mind Probe or is plugged into the Joe 90 BIGRAT and immediately becomes like Reinhard Heydrich. Theresa May, you are a stupid bitch.

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    Wonder who it is? says:

    Me too 8illy.

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    White hat geek says:

    The retention of data is apparently required for some EU compliance dictat.

    The practicalities though: The cost of storing a years worth of data as they are speaking about securely and reliably is both challenging for the industry and expensive. And that is if only the signals intelligence is stored – not inclusive of email content and other traffic: The % of redundant data will be c. 95%

    A real impact of this change will be that save one or two big operators – who will have to pass the added cost burden onto consumers – a squeeze will be put on competition amongst ISPs. One can envisage a situation where the only practicable ISPs would be de facto government run, a less than desirable situation.

    It would be less impacting to privacy and civil liberty if instead of approaching the surveillance from the direction of ‘total information awareness’, internet surveillance was performed as telecom is at present: Set up the ‘tap’ via court order on those who are under suspicion, and then iterate from there as needed.

    Trying to look at the full picture, as many of ‘conspiracy’ sites on the net has proven, results in a higher probability of a false positive.

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    Rat's arse says:

    Right on S.B. Well said!

  17. 17
    Hank the Cat says:

    All these phucking socialist swear by their little handbook written by Felix Dzerzhinsky, there is no doubt that papa milliband had a signed copy

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    Silly Sally B13 COW says:

    Too much fizz = a total lack of jizz

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    genghiz the kahn says:

    We don’t need no regulation, we don’t need no thought control. Hey Theresa leave those texts alone.

    May and Cameron are in the queue for the fitting of new vertebrae, and synthetic moral fibre.

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    He who no longer posts says:


  22. 22
    Joined up thinking says:

    To discourage trade in illegal drugs they want to make them legal.
    To encourage people to give them up they will have to tax the shit out of them.
    By taxing the shit out of them they will encourage a trade in illegal drugs.

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    @Sally Bercow says:

    That is exactly the sort of information I don’t want the government to get their hands on *Dazed and confused face*

  24. 24
    8illy 8owden, the world's greatist umplre says:

    *seaside postcard face*

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    I am not answerable to Edinburgh arsewipes says:

    Well dodgy.

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    Rat's arse says:

    Hi there S.C. Don’t be a stranger for too long.

  27. 27
    Liarpoliticians says:

    The Data Protection Act does not apply to politicians, that’s how they can give away your DNA data to their friends in Big Pharma without your say so, those politicians brown envelopes must be quite large.

    MPs today also said they will push GM poison food onto us, again, Big Pharma making a literal killing out of people.

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    Anonymous says:

    DPA is alive and well. Section 35(2) used by institutions to intimidate people into disclosing information they should not, under the guise of a possible court action.

    However, the collection of the data, with the ISP holding it, is actually the problem. Say I was legitimately researching a new idea. I would be doing searches to looking for prior art. If all these searches were held, then any ISP staff could extract and sell the search records. Imagine getting the email list of a sales person and selling it to a competitor.

    Since my ISP staff can tell me my own password there is no security in these companies.

    It should be (probably is) illegal for the ISP to track and record a users (or companies) usage. It is essentially collecting information that is not necessary to supply the service offered. It would be like a doctor keeping your DNA or a phone company downloading your contacts when mending a phone. Or a window cleaner photographing your rooms while up the ladder.

    To “tap” communications there should be a requirement that the person is a known problem. If however their is a known bad website then tracking access to it to identify individuals would also be fairly clearly targeted at certain people.

    I wish it was law that all requests for data disclosures under the DPA had to be recorded and notified to the person concerned. (except obviously the police requests).

    If we want small companies in this country that do research and development then DO NOT RECORD THEIR ACTIVITY. This attitude is why we are failing. The freedom to invent and prosper has been removed. Even the future threat of this data base is hurting us.

  29. 29

    Hi Rats!

    I have been working long days creating my library. 8,000 books takes a while to shelve and organise. Then I need to catalogue them but I have also got a business to resurrect in a different form from when I last ran one. So it all keeps me from getting too stroppy with the unfathomable automated symposiarch.

    But I do come in and read occasionally to see what my friends and foes are saying and will be back Christmas … if I am allowed.

  30. 30
    Liarpoliticians says:

    Theresa May tries to justify her Jackboot police state agenda, she’s just like that previous self-confessed police state pushing failure, Jacqui Smith.

  31. 31
    Liarpoliticians says:

    Know of a better way to waste £10bn+ while the economy is collapsing? That’s the Tories, they will throw it at their favourite failure IT contractors, so long as they secure some directorships in 2015 when the ConDems are thrown out of government.

  32. 32
    How things work says:

    Sir Humphrey the spook is alive and well…
    And his name is Charles Farr. He just happens to be the partner of Theresa May’s Spad, Fiona Cunningham. Total coincidence, I’m sure.

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    Liarpoliticians says:

    Trust the government, they can’t even be trusted with data they have access to NOW. 150 councils stopped from accessing the DVLA data as they have been caught breaking the law.

    Government full of crooks.

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    contrary mary says:

    don’t we all … they are rally stretching this whole process out …quite why is difficult to understand…its almost as if they’re scheduling arrests to suit the media commentary ..

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    Lady Britain says:

    keeping information for terrorist and related activity monitoring is one thing but giving access to others is the thin edge of the wedge again akin to the supresion of free specch currently under debate post leveson

  38. 38

    Oy – Bob!! Keep the fuc.king noise DOWN!

    Be told.

  39. 39
    old git says:

    Cameron looking for face-saving miniscule tweaks to the EU budget so he can come back home looking as if he accomplished something.
    Well I keep posting this because it will come true shortly,
    Cameron WILL capitulate on the EU budget and British tax payers WILL stump up even more cash to the EU, There will of course be lots of posturing to give the impression that Cameron is dictating terms but its all bluster so dont be fooled.
    Cameron has claimed that Villans will NOT get the vote but he is allready talking of a fudge and some convicts WILL get the vote, so its even more bluster. His ploy is to throw the issue into the long grass instead of telling the ECHR to get stuffed
    Cameron will soon promise a referendum on the EU AFTER the next election and may well promise to put it into law. But there will be several caviates based on spurious renegotiations that will eventually deny an in/out referendum so do not fall for it.
    Cameron is a dyed in the wool Europhile and whilst his Eton cabal run the Tory party you will NEVER get out of the EU. And we can now look forward to vast numbers of immigrants from Rumania and Bulgaria who wil be entitled to benefits, housing, education and health care all at our expense.
    Remember this

  40. 40
    Noel says:

    nothing to hide, nothing to fear *gulp*

  41. 41

    SC!! So good to read your dulcet tones! Any idea what’s happened to jgm2? Is he Christmas shopping?

  42. 42
    old git says:

    Beware Big Tosser is watching you

  43. 43
    Smiley says:

    Your ip address has been noted.

  44. 44

    You could always milky the pi Key – they are all called Smith on anything official anyway, ‘s’as good as Anonymous.

  45. 45
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Christ Theresa, are you going off on that winter warfare leadership course?

  46. 46

    Doesn’t matter who you vote for, same policies continue.

    This time next year: ID cards. Betcha.

  47. 47
    Ex-Tory says:

    LibLabCon continuity socialist, statist, corporate government. STOP VOTING FOR THEM. The only alternative is UKIP.

  48. 48
    Ex-Tory says:

    ID Cards are still on the agenda. Serco are still working on the infrastructure for ID cards.

  49. 49
    The savant8.5 says:

    Helllllooooo. Silent

    Are you related to silent stan of arsenal fc. By any chance .

    If so …… Chukussummunney.

  50. 50
    Keep your nose out of my private live, Prime Minister! says:

    The Data Protection Act was eroded by Labour until it gave little or no protection.

    For example, I, and many others, complained under the Act about a demand from a local rent rebate investigation office demanding full details – names addresses, historic pay details, NI numbers, partners’ and spouses’ full details, past addresses, the works – of ALL OF MY STAFF, 100 INNOCENT PEOPLE’S PERSONAL DATA.

    When I complained to the local government agency demanding this info, they told me that, statistically, some of my staff had to have committed some offence and they wished to trawl to find which of them it was.

    When I complained to the then Data Protection Agency about this appalling intrusion into the the lives of innocent people, they wrote to the local office and told them that such blanket requests were outlawed by the DP Act.

    So then the Labour Government changed the law to emasculate the Data Protection Act. Labour made it completely legal for local government to intrude into countless thousands of innocent people’s private lives.

    One of the reasons I began supporting the Conservatives was to stop Labour’s disgusting intrusion into our private lives.

    Now the Conservatives want to do this to us too? I can’t believe it. They won’t do it, will they?

  51. 51
    Lady Britain says:

    vaz … on manoeuvres

  52. 52
    The savant8.5 says:

    Is teresa. May pregnant in the photo …….

    Or is it that she always looks to have the shoulders and torso of a sherman tank ??

  53. 53
    Keep your nose out of my private live, Prime Minister! says:

    Due to Labour’s sinister intrusion into citizens’ private data, Privacy International reclassifed UK under the worst form of intrusiveness classification:

    UK, was reclassified as an Endemic Surveillance Society.

    UK was placed in the black listings.

    UK was placed in the same category of intrusiveness and control as China, Communist Russia and certain other undemocratic dictatorships. Because that is what we had become.

    Under the coalition, our classification has moved down one notch, though it’s still appallingly bad.

    Some please tell me that the Conservatives are not planning on passing horribly intrusive measures that will lead to UK being once again classified as an Endemic Surveillance Society. I can’t believe they would do that to us…

  54. 54
    Dougie says:

    Guido, where exactly did you get that “ostentatios” from?

  55. 55
    He who no longer posts says:

    @Mars Attacks. Thank you for your kind words. As far as I know, jgm2 agreed with me that it was time for a step back into the shadows…

    When I see the likes of him, Bill Quango MP, Sir William Waad, Paragnostic, Tachybaptus, nell and most of the other great regulars, for which I have so much respect and derive so much enjoyment, all being blocked, apparently solely on account of their names, then that seems to be a sign to get a life away from here.

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    Living in 98 percent white Merseyside says:

    Move up here. We get more out of them than they do from us.

  58. 58
    Smith says:

    Proposals like these and the current almost universal use of CCTV, give British Governments of whatever apparent political colour, the sort of power and control over peoples’ lives that the Stasi and the Gestapo could have onlyu imagined in their wildest dreams.

  59. 59
    WobblyJim says:

    Oily Vaz is making a play on behalf of the anti-internet brigade while trying to add some subtle anti-racist angle if he can.

    Along the lines of poor immigrant girl, made good, murdered by the nasty internets – we need a huge expensive government enquiry, headed by me of course, to make jolly sure that it doesn’t happen again.

  60. 60
    Tom Catesby says:

    ‘Vaz on manoeuvres’…Well spotted that man!

  61. 61
    Tom Catesby says:

    Excuse me!…That Lady!

  62. 62
    WobblyJim says:

    ostentatios was a famous roman actor, liked his bling a lot

  63. 63
    Big Eddie on the Door says:

    Maybe She does some part time night club bouncing?

  64. 64
    WobblyJim says:

    a cellphone does all of that and then some

  65. 65
    The wizz says:

    You’re already dead FFS, go back to sleep. RIP.

  66. 66
    Blowing Whistles says:

    The DPA – was designed to ‘protect the state and its bent Ministers above all’ – A true understanding of it – reveals that British Dissidents [those who speak out against the creeping hammer and sickle of what appears to be the government] can be ….. stupid me …. are and have been locked up on the most despicable pretences for their and the public’s so called protection.

    Creeping Communism is here and it has been for at least the past 15 years – save the old boy Tory’s – never noticed while they couldn’t get their moneygrubbing snouts out of the trough …. and while they were profit distracted – the ‘loons crept in the back door’. JFHC.

  67. 67
    Blowing Whistles says:

    On a lighter note – did anyone read up on page 18 of the Daily Star Sunday about Handycock having moved into new premises opposite South Parade Pier Portsmouth … No.

    The vermin are branching out of their old lodges.

  68. 68
    Handycock Immigrant Trafficker says:

    Send the immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria to Portsmouth, we have got loads of them here already. My boys will build the apartments for them and I will fix them up with the planning permissions. We will all make more millions and the grateful immigrants will vote for me and so it goes on, more money, more votes, more donations for the Lie dems. Whoopee! Boaz.

  69. 69
    I bet you didn't know that says:

    Sir Humphrey the spook is Theresa May’s SPAD’s other half. Wheels within wheels. Curiouser and curiouser…

  70. 70
    Anonymous says:

    +1 . I stopped using the things in 2005.

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    Red Ed Miliband says:


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