November 28th, 2012

Fraser Nelson: Spectator Won’t Abide By Statutory Regulation

In a leader in this week’s Spectator the editor pledges to go to jail rather than abide by statutory press regulation:

If the press agrees a new form of self-regulation, perhaps contractually binding this time, we will happily take part. But we would not sign up to anything enforced by government. If such a group is constituted we will not attend its meetings, pay its fines nor heed its menaces. We would still obey the (other) laws of the land. But to join any scheme which subordinates press to parliament would be a betrayal of what this paper has stood for since its inception in 1828.

If Cameron caves in to Leveson it looks like Fraser Nelson could be following in the Spectator tradition. Like his columnist Taki before him, he could be on his way to Pentonville…


163 Comments

  1. 1
    anon says:

    how do I get crumbs out of my beard?

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    • 16

      Nelson should avoid the poop deck of pre-emption

      Making an unnecessary stand ahead of the statement is fool Hardy

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      • 32
        its bleak in sunderland says:

        Very Nelsonian Admiral

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        • 99
          Anonymous says:

          The number of underemployed – those who want to work more hours – hit a total of 3.05 million in 2012, a 50pc jump since 2008, with school crossing assistants and bar staff some of the jobs with the highest levels of underemployment, with one in four part-time workers wanting to work more hours.

          The 3.05m underemployed represents around 1 in 10 of the 29.41m people in work, giving an underemployment rate of 10.5pc.

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/9708047/Underemployed-workers-jump-by-1m-since-financial-crisis.html

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          • The planet says:

            God you are boring. Why are you so boring. The whole internet to troll and you picked the most boring item on it.

            What a grey suited, joyless, fish faced, adenoidal dullard you must be.

            Booorrring.

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          • My four by four trolls the streets of London says:

            Oh the fucking english Lahndahn numbnut ‘king Spectator, lost in their inner mind inner pathetic mind space. Know the way to Heathrom and Gatwick and Stanstead, but maybe needing help to get to inner City airport, by blackcabs, but would not know their Cumbrias from their Argyles, without help from their satnav from Halfords, recommended by that hunt, Cotsworlds own Jism Clarkson, looking at photos of Fiona Bruce and and wotsername, oh yes, fecking Kristin Scott-Thomas, and ok Jezza, ok there, I’d jism as well Jezza, half a chance.

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          • Spot the Dog with Weepy Balls says:

            yop

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          • Keep our press free says:

            Thank God someone’s prepared to make a stand.

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        • 116
          My four by four trolls the streets of London says:

          know you are asking for it all, a song appropriate – but Jezza or Fiona or Kisten, hmmm – see who I come across first…

          fecking se england tarts and pwnani boys, is all I have to say.

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      • 41
        Bluto says:

        Probably because he already knows from the inside track what Nanny Cameron is likely to knee-jerk towards.

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      • 46
        Anonymous says:

        If law is changed he might not have the same options as now. The issue I have is; PM, ministers, MPs, etc going cap in hand to newspaper owners and senior staff. This has to change.

        For some reason even existing law wasn’t enforced, these has to change.

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        • 88
          Peter Grimes says:

          Written like a craven ZaNuLieBor fuckwit!

          Do fuck off and go air your party’s views elsewhere!

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          • Anonymous says:

            Both Labour and Conservatives did it. LD didn’t, mainly because media owner didn’t believe they will be in power.

            Problem is with the system and needs to change. As far as I understand all the countries have laws on media and news papers except UK.

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      • 150
        The savant8.5 says:

        Kiss. Me. …….chukus

        Oh all right then if you insist on being pedantically correct.

        Kissme. ….. Hardy

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    • 25
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      Buy a Budgie.

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  3. 4
    Gordon Brown says:

    You wanne be in my gang, my gang, my gang
    You wanna be in my gang
    Oh yeah

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  4. 5
    wrthomson says:

    Bang the pompous little tartan twat up.

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    • 9
      Steve Miliband says:

      But where do we find Gordon?

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      • 23
        Gordon Watch Update says:

        From 2.30pm tomorrow in the House of Commons in his place for once awaiting to be called to speak thereafter having done so he will NOT be in the House of Commons in his usual place

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  5. 6
    Ben Fellows says:

    Behind bars ?

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  6. 7
    Moley says:

    t is a great pity that politicians do not have the same degree of courage and principle as Fraser Nelson.

    We need that kind of courage and determination to deal with the problem of Europe.

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  7. 8
    Crap says:

    What pompous, self-important windbaggery.

    He seems to think the press is not subordinate to Parliament. An unusual conception of Parliamantary sovereignty….

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  8. 10
    Moussa Koussa Mark 2 says:

    LOL

    Floppy haired fop and elephant man impersonator Fuewayzsar Nelson will not comply

    His 50 subscribers will be overjoyed.

    Now f*ck off back to Dave Cock and his band of Gay ministers

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  9. 11
    another bluffer says:

    He was another one all puffed up about Europe, until asked whether the UK should leave, and he hadnt the balls to say yes

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  10. 12
    kebabmon says:

    C-M-D already said that independent regulation is the way forward (needs teeth). What’s the panic and fuss about?

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  11. 14
    Hank the Cat says:

    The MSM seems to have ignored the car crash appearance yesterday of the Fat Pang, he was worse than Entwhisltle

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  12. 15
    Moussa Koussa Mark 2 says:

    …he can share his cell with Cockson or Brookes.

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  13. 18
    wiliam says:

    ‘Subordinate to parliament’.Do you want to the state to interfere in what you say to your wife ,in bed.

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  14. 19
    Ed Miliband (Prime Minister designate) says:

    Just received an advance copy of the Leveson report. Disappointed that he has discounted the idea of regulating Mr Cameron.

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  15. 21
    Shirley says:

    JOYCE THACKER – has she been fired yet or is it all swept ubder the carpet??

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  16. 22
    Spotty Lizard says:

    Guido, in your WSJ article you stated that a regulated press would benefit you as your blog would not be subject to regulation and would therefore attract more readers, and thereby make you more money.

    I assume that you make your money through advertising. It would surely not be difficult for the government to legislate against businesses trading in the UK advertising on blogs that failed to comply with the requisite regulation. Your source of income would therefore dry up, given that your target audience is in the UK.

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    • 40

      I would think that would be impossible. What law are you thinking of basing it on? The EU allows free trade throughout Europe. Advertising is a business. A ban on UK companies advertising in UK press, but that allows EU countries to advertise would fail immediately.

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      • 47
        Spotty Lizard says:

        The free trade principles are subject to public policy derogations. The government could probably mount a credible argument that the need to prevent circumvention of the statutory regulation satisfied public policy needs.

        As for your second point, I didn’t say “UK companies” — I very deliberately wrote “companies trading in the UK”. That’s not limited to UK companies.

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        • 50
          Spotty Lizard says:

          What law am I thinking of basing it on? None at present — I’m talking about if the government legislates to impose statutory regulation upon the press.

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          • The government can ban advertising. Fags and booze and hookers and such.
            The US has form on banning outside influences. Intrade for one, so your idea is not without foundation.

            But the EU makes it an impossibility in the UK. Companies ‘trading in the UK’ being banned is the same as companies ‘not trading in the UK’ being allowed. Its anti competitive and a ban would need to be EU wide, incorporating laws from all the Eurozone, or it would fail.

            In a perfect irony the EU would come to the aid of the right wing press.

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          • Spotty Lizard says:

            Bill, your last point doesn’t make sense. Why would a company that does not trade in the UK wish to advertise on a web-site that is almost wholly, if not wholly, directed at the UK market? There is no issue of anti-competitiveness.

            And you have misunderstood the law. Member States have the power to enter into public policy derogations within their own borders, and — by definition — not across the EU. For example, different member states have different policies on banning use of asbestos. Similarly, some member states ban re-processing of single-use medical devices (e.g. France); others, (e.g. the UK) don’t. You have got the law completely wrong.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Not the only thing he gets wrong. Just another Greedo groupie.

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      • 51
        Hank the Cat says:

        If HoC did regulate the press blogs like this would thrive, MP’s would be digging their own graves

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        • 108
          XXXxx says:

          Mps would just post on blogs such as this, be it right, centre or left preaching to what they think are the already coverted

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    • 54
      Socialism = starvation says:

      I heard a DJ from a Pirate radio ship say that a UK law in the 60s required that any business that advertised had to withdraw from the UK market.

      They then broadcast adverts for BOAC and, I may be wrong, Shell, and nothing happened.

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      • 57
        Spotty Lizard says:

        That just shows that there was a precedent for what I’m suggesting the government might do, and that the government at the time chose not to enforce in that particular instance.

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        • 105
          misterneddy says:

          In the 1960s Parliament had the power to do such things, as we were an independent nation then. We were not even in the European Community (as it was known) let alone in the fascistic EU.

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    • 153
      h says:

      Remember Radio Caroline et aliter.

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  17. 23
    Ed Milibland says:

    I would go to prison before I would betray my principles!

    Now .. all labour MPs…follow me in joining with far right Tories to vote for an EU budget cut..

    {you can’t jail me…I have no principles.}

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  18. 26
    Michael Fucking Parkinson says:

    I’ve met 100s of interesting people

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  19. 27
    its bleak in sunderland says:

    No f….r read it anyway

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  20. 33
    Christine Kitchener of 5 Malivina Terrace Slough says:

    Jail is the best place for this guy .

    He will soon learn what the phrase ‘cellmate from hell’ really means .

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    • 145
      Living in 98 percent white Merseyside (with a view towards 99% white N. Wales) says:

      Don’t worry Christine the oil reserves in your area are of a poor quality. Not worth drilling for.

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  21. 35

    If the bumptious fool wants to take part in “I’m a Martyr Incarcerate Me” I promise to voter to keep him in.

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  22. 38
    its bleak in sunderland says:

    He and Mc Shame can share a cell,nows theres an interesting pairing

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  23. 39
    Rottenham's rotten Labour Council says:

    Vote early ! Vote often !

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  24. 43
    Operation Crossbow says:

    So Leveson is published tomorrow. Who wants to bet the BBC and Rotherham council publish their reports as well?

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    • 69
      Labourunionsbbc we are one says:

      Well they did say that certian employees had changed their tax status, the day omaha got re elected. And even then it was about two thirds into the news, about the time when everyone has glazed over whilst watching a protracted item from a hot country.

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  25. 45
    Plato says:

    Of course! When cameron was caught out at the despatch box saying: “Right, lets go do our reading”, he was talking about his advance copy of the report.

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  26. 49
    UKIP Can Win in Rotherham says:

    Fraser’s a fully paid up member of the establishment, the fact that he still writes for the Barclay Brothers says it all, ghastly lefty rag these days infested with moronic trolls.

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  27. 52
    Golly says:

    Self centred little toad .

    He will expect the taxpayer to pay for his board and lodgings.

    Fine the count, I say

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  28. 55
    Thank God I have done my duty says:

    I take it that by now thousands of people will have read the Leveson thingy. So who is going to risk the wrath of Brian and leak it?

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  29. 62
    Mark Carney says:

    What’s the difference between a prostitute and the Conservative led coalition government?

    One will fuck anything for money and the other is a prostitute.

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  30. 64
    Carter Smunt says:

    That Red Witch has had it when the noble lord presides. No more £3.5million, riding with Cameron or stuffing his capon at Saturnalia…..

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  31. 67
    Operation Crossbow says:

    All the press are paid up members of the establishment. If they don’t comply they get cut out of the politicla loop and get no stories. No stories mean no job.

    Does anyone really believe the press didn’t know about the thieving of our politicians? The only reason the Telegraph ran the story was Heather Brooke was on the case and had already highlighted the lack of transparency over expenses and it was quite likely someone would leak the CD with the expenses on making Fleetstreet look sleazy for NOT wanting to run the story.

    For example someone like Guido may well have ended up with the CD, so the idea that Fleetstreet holds the politicians to account is just bollocks.

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    • 71
      Alyingstare Campbell says:

      No kissing of my boots -> No stories -> No stories -> No job.

      How do you think we controlled the meeeja ??

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  32. 68
    Mohandas Gandhi says:

    Getting banged up for taking a principled stand against Government oppression is what happens to the person who challenges them, but here’s also what happens: You can become a hero to your cause, and sway public opinion your way; “First they ignore you, etc.” Standing up to the powers-that-be is a longstanding tradition, as is civil disobedience to an illegitimate use of force against you. Being prosecuted for defence of liberty is a badge of honour. No– getting banged up is not the worst thing that can happen to you for your actions.

    Being murdered is. And Martin Luther King agrees with me on this.

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  33. 80
    Shirley says:

    It now says on my bill from Br. Gas, 19 % of the cost of my energy is for Government obligations and taxes including Green levies and social support.
    FFS its as bad as petrol………….

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    • 89
      One-term Dave, dragging the Tories to their grave, says:

      Oh, stuff and nonsense! Man-made global warming is a real threat. Do you not stop to think of all the drowning whales? All the polar bears sitting forlornly on their remote icebergs, unable to catch penguins for their supper?

      And what about my super-rich daddy-in-law who gets £1,000 every day tax-free for having a windmill on his estate? Would you really begrudge him that money?

      So cough-up my green taxes, peasant, and remember; we’re all in this together.

      Toodle pip!

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  34. 86
    Helpful says:

    The rebirth of Samizdat.

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  35. 94
    Mark Carney says:

    “Fuck” can be used as a verb, adverb, adjective, command, interjection, noun, and can logically be used as virtually any word in a sentence.

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  36. 95
    keredybretsa says:

    Better to get hot under the collar, than have Old Bill’s smeary hand there.

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  37. 97
    meh says:

    any legislation will be drafted on the hoof; ergo full of holes. So if it goes to court QCs will be queueing up to take the test case, and even if they’re not queueing round the block, the Spectator can raise the funds for a good one. No one will want the fight; if it’s a criminal matter the CPS won;t touch it, if a civil one they’ll shite themselves at the prospect of a) looking like the tool of a fascist regime and b) getting counter-sued.

    In other words, this don’t mean a thing.

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    • 107
      Oh I say, hey oik! says:

      All legislation in this country is drafted or sent from the management in Brussels is already full of holes, the taxpayer has to feed the hungry lawyers, how will the be able to get their tenth house and Bentley if they are not fed.

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  38. 106
    Michael Parkinson says:

    I’ve met hundreds of interesting people. Get an instant quote from Sun Life Direct.

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  39. 109
    Double Standarda says:

    Why doesn’t christian Geedo care about what happens to his fellow christians in Is*ael?

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    • 111
      BOOOORING !!! says:

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      • 136

        Who gives a flying fuc.k (you WERE right #94!) about what one bunch of deluded sky fairy botherers think about another band of different sky fairy botherers?

        Perhaps they felt it was shameful the they were not wearing the official special Small Hat of Yahweh (aviallable at a very good price for YOU, at all branches of Abe Winkelstein’s Hats ‘R Us)

        Or did they not have the strangely red beard on a dark haired man, or the clothes that went out of fashion over a century ago?

        It is very confusing, conversing with the confused and the deluded.

        Don’t make poor Mr Fawkes choose.

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  40. 110
    Michael says:

    Free the Spectator One!

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  41. 114
    Fiscal Cliff says:

    U.S.
    DJIA 12,833.80 -44.38 -0.34%
    S&P 500 1,398.94 -7.35 -0.52%
    NASDAQ 2,952.53 -15.26 -0.51%
    GOLD 1,714.50 -30.30 -1.74%
    OIL (WTI) 85.51 -1.67 -1.92%
    U.S. 10-YEAR 1.605% -0.032

    It’s a bloodbath in the USA,and it’s heading across the pond.

    Go short on everything (including gold)

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    • 149
      Fishy says:

      *¨*•♫♪ We’re all going on a summer holiday *¨*•♫♪ The young ones, darling we’re the young ones *¨*•♫♪

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  42. 117
    Norman Stanley Fletcher says:

    Oh how I love the sound of empty bravado at lunchtime.

    Let’s see how brave he his after a few showers at the Scrubs.

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  43. 125
    The Flagship says:

    England Expects Each Editor To Do His Own Slopping Out

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  44. 133
    Dolly the sheep says:

    What a silly twat !

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  45. 138
    Rotherham SS (Social Services) says:

    Our department considers such statement of intent to flout an as yet unwritten law at some undetermined time in the future as grounds for taking the children into state custody. We stand by the actions of our social workers in enforcing this aspect of child protection and kindly ask the press to stop investigating our decisions before we consider your suitability to parent.

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  46. 140
    THE THIRD ROUNDEL says:

    Well said Nelson!

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  47. 146
    To the BBC. I look forward to my day in court. The truth will be out. says:

    If any media outlet or institution that makes the case for state regulation then the BBC upholds that need for state control. Its arrogance and destructive days are hopefully numbered. Fingers crossed.

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  48. 157
    Anonymous says:

    Fraser Nelson

    Doesn’t matter what the reason is so long as he goes to jail.

    That will be enough to be getting on with while we countdown to regime change.

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  49. 159
    Any Dream Will Do says:

    Remember what happened to “The Face” back in 1994 when Jason Donovan sued them over homosexuality claims.

    They went under as a result cause they couldn’t pay their legal bills.

    Sad times. Too many broken hearts in this world, too many dreams to be broken in too.

    I don’t think too many people would be sad to see The Speccie go the same way but one can only dream (will do)

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  50. 160
    Tom Catesby says:

    I’m looking forward to seeing more of the press gang in jail, if they want to volunteer that’s fine by me.Make sure they leave enough room for Rebbeca and Co! LOL.

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“Well, then he’s gonna pay on December 2nd”



Mycroft says:

Have you read the last bit of Animal Farm?

You know where the animals are looking through the Farmhouse window?

My TV screen was that window at lunch-time today.

Be careful, the sudden self-congratulatory tone, the slightly pudgy outline of indulgence and you become exactly what you should despise.

The jolly face of the Quisling Cameron poses for your camera has mesmerised and deceived you, you who were once not so deceived.

You were no firebrand, you were a damp squib in my opinion, sorry.

You need a damned good kick up the ahse!


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