November 9th, 2012

Lord McAlpine Breaks Cover
+ + + FULL STATEMENT + + +

After days of speculation and the knife being twisted by Phillip Schofield’s blunder, former Tory Treasurer Lord McAlpine has broken cover:

Over the last several days it has become apparent to me that a number of ill- or uninformed commentators have been using blogs and other internet media outlets to accuse me of being the senior Conservative Party figure from the days of Margaret Thatcher’s leadership who is guilty of sexually abusing young residents of a children’s home in Wrexham, North Wales in the 1970’s and 1980’s.

It has additionally become apparent to me that a number of broadcasters and newspapers have, without expressly naming me, also been alleging that a senior Conservative Party figure from that time was guilty of or suspected of being guilty of the sexual abuse of residents of this children’s home.

It is obvious that there must be a substantial number of people who saw that I had been identified in the internet publications as this guilty man and who subsequently saw or heard the broadcasts or read the newspapers in question and reasonably inferred that the allegation of guilt in those broadcasts and newspapers attached to me.

Even though these allegations made of me by implication in the broadcast and print media, and made directly about me on the internet, are wholly false and seriously defamatory I can no longer expect the broadcast and print media to maintain their policy of defaming me only by innuendo. There is a media frenzy and I have to expect that an editor will soon come under pressure to risk naming me. My name and the allegations are for all practical purposes linked and in the public domain and I cannot rewind the clock.

I therefore have decided that in order to mitigate, if only to some small extent, the damage to my reputation I must publicly tackle these slurs and set the record straight. In doing so I am by no means giving up my right to sue those who have defamed me in the recent past or who may do so in the future and I expressly reserve my rights to take all such steps as I and my solicitors consider necessary to protect my interests.

On Tuesday, 6 November the Home Secretary, the Rt Hon Theresa May MP, made a statement in the House of Commons about the historic allegations of child abuse in the North Wales police force area. She explained that in 1991, North Wales Police conducted an investigation into allegations that, throughout the 1970s and 1980s, children in homes that were managed and supervised by Clwyd County Council were sexually and physically abused. The result of the police investigation was eight prosecutions and seven convictions of former care workers. Despite the investigation and convictions, it was widely believed, she said, that the abuse was in fact on a far greater scale, but a report produced by Clwyd Council’s own inquiry was never published, because so much of its content was considered by lawyers to be defamatory.

In 1996, the Rt Hon William Hague MP, the then Secretary of State for Wales, invited Sir Ronald Waterhouse to lead an inquiry into the abuse of children in care in the Gwynedd and Clwyd Council areas. Mrs May told the House of Commons that the Waterhouse inquiry sat for 203 days and heard evidence from more than 650 people. Statements made to the inquiry named more than 80 people as child abusers, many of whom were care workers or teachers. In 2000, the inquiry’s report “Lost in Care” made 72 recommendations for changes to the way in which children in care were protected by councils, social services and the police. Following the report’s publications, 140 compensation claims were settled on behalf of the victims.

Mrs May further said that the report found no evidence of a paedophile ring beyond the care system, which was the basis of the rumours that followed the original police investigation and, indeed, one of the allegations made in the past week. Last Friday, a victim of sexual abuse at one of the homes named in the report—Mr Steve Messham—alleged that the inquiry did not look at abuse outside care homes, and he renewed allegations against the police and several individuals. I am, as is now well known to readers of the internet and to journalists working for the print and broadcast media, one of the individuals implicated by Mr Messham.

I have every sympathy for Mr Messham and for the many other young people who were sexually abused when they were residents of the children’s home in Wrexham. Any abuse of children is abhorrent but the sexual abuse to which these vulnerable children were subjected in the 1970’s and 1980’s is particularly abhorrent. They had every right to expect to be protected and cared for by those who were responsible for them and it is abundantly clear that they were horribly violated. I have absolutely no sympathy for the adults who committed these crimes. Those who have been convicted were deservedly punished and those who have not yet been brought to justice should be as soon as possible.

The facts are, however, that I have been to Wrexham only once. I visited the local Constituency Conservative Association in my capacity as Deputy Chairman. I was accompanied on this trip, at all times, by Stuart Newman, a Central Office Agent. We visited Mary Bell, a distant relative of mine and close friend of Stuart Newman. We did not stay the night in Wrexham. I have never been to the children’s home in Wrexham, nor have I ever visited any children’s home, reform school or any other institution of a similar nature. I have never stayed in a hotel in or near Wrexham, I did not own a Rolls Royce, have never had a “Gold card” or “Harrods card” and never wear aftershave, all of which have been alleged. I did not sexually abuse Mr Messham or any other residents of the children’s home in Wrexham. Stuart Newman is now dead but my solicitors are endeavouring to locate a senior secretary who worked at Central Office at the time to see if she can remember the precise date I visited that Association.

I fully support the decision (announced by the Home Secretary in the House of Commons on Tuesday) of the Chief Constable of North Wales, Mr Mark Polin, to invite Mr Keith Bristow, the Director General of the National Crime Agency, to assess the allegations recently received, to review the historic police investigations and to investigate any fresh allegations reported to the police into the alleged historic abuse in north Wales care homes. Although I live in Italy and have done so for many years and although I am in poor health, I am entirely willing to meet Mr Polin and Mr Bristow in London as soon as can be arranged so that they can eliminate me from their inquiries and so that any unwarranted suspicion can be removed from me.

I wish to make it clear that I do not suggest that Mr Messham is malicious in making the allegations of sexual abuse about me. He is referring to a terrible period of his life in the 1970’s or 1980’s and what happened to him will have affected him ever since. If he does think I am the man who abused him all those years ago I can only suggest that he is mistaken and that he has identified the wrong person.

I conclude by reminding those who have defamed me or who intend to do so that in making this statement I am by no means giving up my right to seek redress at law and repeat that I expressly reserve my rights to take all such steps as I and my solicitors consider necessary to protect my interests.

McAlpine of West Green
8 November 2012


Some notable crusaders have gone very quiet today after this.

UPDATE: It seems Tom Watson is a little confused:

Awkwardly for Tom, it was his beloved Guardian that poured cold water all over the McAlpine story.


  1. 1
    Anonymous says:

    “He said he had “never” been to the children’s home linked to the claims.”

    But, nobody said he had?

    • 6
      Anonymous says:

      The Guardian’s argument is that the children involved didn’t know who Lord McAlpine was, and therefore couldn’t really identify him. But, then, how did they start off saying it was Lord McAlpine in the first place? If they didn’t know who he was?

      • 15
        Ctesibius says:

        Because Twatson implied it.

        • 33
          Anonymous says:

          Lord McAlpine was named in this case 20 years ago.

          • V1le Labour ruined my Country says:

            Twatson is just trying to camouflage his extensive involvement with underage rentboys, why else would he be on this crusade?

          • Little Tommy Watson says:

            Witch hunt, Witch hunt!!! Yeay.

          • Bib Beast Ken says:

            Bugger me! How many trolls has Lord not-a-nonce McAlpine employed?

          • Norfolk's Finest says:

            To me it looks very much like the BBC’s Newsnight ‘journalists’ might well have been quite happy to let the association with the Conservative Party stand, especially since reading the Guardian article (of all things!) Lord McAlpine was explicitly ruled out when it turned out that any ‘evidence’ pointing towards him simply didn’t stack up. At the very least, the BBC are guilty of astonishingly shoddy research, and, potentially more likely, of using the tragedy of the victims of abuse in that care home to overshadow the scandal that is enmeshing the BBC over Savile. What better way to get your organisation off the hook than by shining the spotlight, in a sneaky underhand way, on the very people who are making your life uncomfortable. The story stinks of cynicism and diversionary tactics.

          • Osama the Nazarene says:

            The story is typical current day BBC. Dominated by lefty “progressive” editors claiming to be balanced. Anything to smear Mrs Thatcher and anti “progressives” in general.

        • 79
          Ctesibius says:

          So “Peter Morisson [sic] was almost certainly involved. He was a senior Conservative with links to the leadership, which included Lord McAlpine. Surely this is circumstantial evidence of involvement?” – According to our friend Anonymous.

          That makes it one possible child abuser in the Conservative Party at the time versus 29 confirmed child abusers at the BBC.

          Presumably it is twatson’s, the Labour Party’s and the BBC’s commitment to eradicating child abuse that makes them focus on the one and not the twenty-nine?

          • Anonymous says:

            If Peter Morisson is still alive his name will not be outed by newspapers. I don’t even know whether he would have come out and said that he did it. I guess he would have denied.

            Even now nothing has been proven against Peter Morisson, only difference he is dead so he cannot sue.

            What we need is a quick and transparent investigation. Police should also name the suspects.

          • misterneddy says:

            David Icke directly named McAlpine and others in his books over a decade ago. He has re-named them recently too. He has asked them to sue him if he is wrong.

            They haven’t. Or is David Icke uniquely immune from the law? For whatever faults David Icke has, and there are many, he is still subject to the law and he has told his millions of followers openly that McAlpine is a child abuser.

            He claims that has the evidence and has spoken to the victims.

            They threaten lawsuits, but never actually go through with them.

          • Barry Obama, painter and decorator says:

            Probably to avoid drawing attention to nutters like Icke who nobody takes seriously

          • Osama the Nazarene says:

            Icke has millions of followers? Surely some sick joke.

          • Anonymous says:

            David, please stop posting here.

      • 20
        Selohesra says:

        Easy solution – Twatto makes public accusation outside of HoC privalidge and Lord M sues him for every penny he’s got (and the Labour party who should never have allowed the fat git to get into any position of responsibility)

        • 149
          early bird..... says:

          the prospect of bunter on his hind legs in defence of the public interest is risble.

      • 87
        Anonymous says:

        Hope other Tories who’s name are on the internet will coming out and start giving their part of the story.

        It always safe than be sorry for the kids. If people know, they will be bit more careful. These people could be completely innocent but until it becomes clearer people who live near them will be afraid for there kids. Also parents of kids who came into contact with these people will be thinking whether anything happened to the kids.

        Hope rest of them come out and make a statement.

        • 130
          GUBU says:

          Yeah…all this has been for the kids.

          It’s never been about deflecting attention from the BBC’s long time facilitation of Jimmy Saville’s wandering hands.

          It’s never been about cheap broadcasting stunts, or smearing your political opponents through rumour and innuendo.

          It’s always been for the kids.

      • 182
        Anonymous says:

        This is the unedited Max Clifford video

        At approx 1.25 Clifford admits that 14 year old girls were abused.

        The MET should be feeling his collar right now…

        • 256
          Cinna says:

          Just like all the teachers, nurses, et al who “knew” Jimmy Savile was abusing children in their care and did nothing about it!

      • 250
        Anonymous says:

        Finally the shit pits that both the guardian and the BBC actually are, becomes apparent through their own piss poor journalism. I hope both the BBC and the Guardian have their arses sued off for this whole shambles, Maybe if the BBC stopped advertising their jobs vacancies in the guardian and were forced to advertise for staff elsewhere we might end up with a truly impartial national broadcaster, instead of the left of centre, pseudo intellectual, Tory hating, bunch of Guardian reading twats that we currently have populating the BBC. They got so carried away with being able to put the boot in to the long gone thatcher era Tories that they didn’t even bother to verify the allegations before defaming an innocent old man by implication and reference to completely unsubstantiated tweets and blogs on the internet. I hope the owners of Twitter and all the nasty gossips that threw lord McAlpines name around on the internet have their lives ruined by the financially punitive legal actions they all deserve.

        • 261
          Marion the cat says:

          ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
          and what planet are you living on ?????????

    • 47
      Anonymous says:

      And so the coverup begins…

      Politicians and MSM are now circling the wagons because if ANY of the filth they have been engaged in becomes lodged in the public mind then we’re in revolution territory.

      • 67
        GUBU says:

        The tin foil lining your hat must make your scalp itchy…

      • 98
        Anonymous says:

        The thing I cannot understand is that pop stars and their asociates have been named and in some cases arrested on the basis of child abuse allegations made by those who claim to have been abused. However when those who alledge to have been abused by MPs or others in authority efforts are made to withold their identity from the public. This fact tends to stimulate the conspiracy theory of a cover up, therefore would it not be better to treat the allegations eaqually after all the reputation of someone in the media is just as important as that of someone in polotics or other public service

        • 116
          Anonymous says:

          As the story goes around one was told that if the accused abuser is named it will be contempt of court and he will be put inside.

          As things pubic doesn’t know what happened, we need and open and transparent inquiry to establish what happened. Without that there will be a cover up.

    • 185
      Mad Frankie's Older Sister says:

      You sound increasingly desperate. Waiting for the writ are we?

    • 214
      Anonymous says:

      FFS, what is wrong with you, do you really want to hound innocent people over this. I can only hope you are behaving out of character because this is an anonymous internet site.

  2. 2
    Lord Carrington's Binoculars says:

    Twatson has really overreached himself. He inly got on the hacking thing because he was trying to find a way of springing Sheriden from jail.

    • 5
      Nonce Finder General says:

      I did not overreach myself. The only time I do that is when I try and wipe my own arse.

    • 89
      Captn P says:

      In a way I don’t know why anyone is surprised that these allegation are completely false.

      Not much coverage on the BBC Saville inquiry today… Job done as far as Twatson is concerned.

  3. 3
    Future MSM letters page (government controlled) says:

    “While I was working on the communal farm, my British built Tractor broke down. Or So I thought.

    As I learnt during my 7 years at the rehabilitation centre British built tractors never break down.

    How we laughed and laughed as we ploughed the field with our bare hands”

    • 8
      Over to Pesto says:

      That was really funny the first time I read it in the first Spitting Image book.

      • 9
        Potato Millionaire says:

        Twat it was the young ones, not spitting image

        • 178
          Over to Pesto says:

          Christ on a trike. I was right about the sodding banking crash you think I’d be wrong about this? Spitting Image 2 (turn Spitting Image 1 upside down and start from the back). Page 4 has a send up of Pravda. We asked for your amusing stories about tractors. Here’s a selection of the best.

          I was out in the field on the collective farm…

      • 12
        JH says:

        Actually, I think the joke in the Spitting Image book was about someone’s child reporting them to the authorities for having counter-state thoughts, and how they laughed as they drove them away.

        It was lampooning Communism. When it was written we hadn’t got to the McRuin tractor production stats stage over here yet.

        • 13
          JH says:

          Actually, you could be right. It was the Young Ones. Nothing to do with British tractors though.

          Does anyone else have hazy recollections of 80s humour they wish to clarify? This is the blog to do it on.

          • Potato Millionaire says:

            Correct it was the Young Ones annual and was a p1ss take on Pravda. The stories were …

            Russian Tractor breaking down (adapted above)
            Child accusing parents of harbouring anti government thoughts (as you mention)
            The potato lottery with a quote from a winner saying “I make 10,000 potatoes a week in interest alone”

          • The General Public says:

            Customer – “American Express?”
            Pamela Stephenson – “That’ll do nicely sir. And would you like to rub my tits as well?”

          • JH says:

            I’m glad we’ve cleared this up. Roll on the weekend.

          • JH says:

            This was hot stuff for a 10 year old. Pamela Anderson was a hotty.

          • Potato Millionaire says:

            Well better than discussing peedos anyway.

            Don’t get me started on Viz top tips :)

          • eddie stobart's butler says:

            she liked to truck too …

  4. 4
    Some Twat up North says:

    Breaking news…

    New reality TV show being planned by the people that brought us Britains Got Benefits.

    Preliminary title ‘I’m a Pederast Get Me Out of here’

    Pilot to be screened at Christmas

  5. 7
    Philip 'Woodward and Bernstein' Schofield says:

    Newsnight – what were they thinking?

    • 29
      Ctesibius says:

      They were thinking that they could take unsubstantiated allegations made by sadly disturbed victims of childhood sexual abuse against ‘Tories’, and use them to deflect public anger against the BBC onto said ‘Tories’. In cahoots with twatson.

      This exploitation of child sex victims, lying and collusion between the BBC and the Labour party should form a core part of what the various ‘enquiries’ investigate and with any luck form a large nail in the coffins of both corrupt organisations – Labour and the BBC.

    • 64
      Engineer says:

      They were thinking, “Oh goody, we can get a Tory or two.”

      As for journalism, checking of sources, corroborating allegations with facts – nah. They couldn’t be bothered.

      • 159
        Britains got Hysteria says:

        Since when have facts counted in a witch hunt ?

        • 215
          Anonymous says:

          But they arent facts, mentioning random names from 30 + years ago with no evidence is a witch hunt. Lets hope nobody commits suicide after being falsely named.

    • 246
      Paedo Hater says:

      You are a Tory,I presume.You are either a complete idiot or you do not possess a brain.It doesn’t matter a flying turd if the paedo’s are Consevative,Labour,or any other political persausion,because it’s the kids that these evil nonces fiddled with that actually should be given sympathy and not the agressors.Does anyone really care what political party they come from,I think not,so stop trying to pass the buck to suit your political preference.

  6. 11
    fuck the bbc says:

    Watson should be in court – the guy is a disgrace

    • 19
      Alf Garnett says:

      As he was right on hacking I would wait a while Mr Murdoch.

      • 34
        Selohesra says:

        He was partially right on hacking – and in any case public only cared once Gaurdian had lied about erasing Millie Dowlers messages – witthout those lies we could have saved huge time & expense

        • 181
          Anonymous says:

          He was right on hacking because everyone in authority – News Corp, Labour Govt, Met – knew what had gone on. It was only after Murdoch stopped backing Labour that Gordon Brown gave Watson the information to go after Murdoch.

          News Corp thought they’d still get away with it because the Mail, Mirror & Express weren’t interested. The Guardian eventually had to exaggerate a story about Millie Dowler to get anybody to pay attention.

      • 69
        Engineer says:

        He over-reached when he tried to bounce the CMS select committee into declaring Murdoch to be not a fit and proper person to run a major news business, a move which rapidly rebounded on him. Up till then, he had the moral high ground, since then, he’s been a grubby partisan smearer.

        • 104
          Osric Testacles says:

          Engineer has it spot on re Watson. Mirror Tom? Once a tribal smear merchant..

        • 129
          Biased Broadcasting Corporation says:

          +100. He is a partisan opportunist of the highest order parading about as some kind of ‘seeker of justice.’

  7. 14
    Philip 'Woodward and Bernstein' Schofield says:

    Next on ‘This Morning’ we will be asking; ‘Endogenous growth theory’- is it for you. But first I have a list of homosexual footballers drawn from google and I’ll be asking Robbie Savauge to comment

  8. 16
    Taxfodder says:

    I lost faith in any UK Government and system over 40 years ago when I realized that they are far more about self preservation and keeping a lid on anything that threatens them.

    Proof today if any were needed is how the likes of David Cameron and chums are quite happy to tolerate dishonourable activities in his close political circles providing they are loyal to the party, (note..not the country) a serial promise breaker himself, he is of dubious character and basically too weak, out of touch and politically gutless to be anything else.

    The more stupid of them remind me greatly of the flat earth society, frightened, small and weak minded, the rest of the chancers seek to roll back the obvious from under a rock in Westminster.

    Like oblivious dinosaurs they will fade the same way….information technology is their nemesis their cosmic clock is ticking…seeking to muzzle the press won’t in the future (as they say in the movies) stop the super shit storm raining down on any dishonest politician….or cronie!

    • 51
      The Land of the Politically Correct and Mendacious says:

      Don’t bank on it…not whilst a large proportion of the electorate are basically “thick” and take more interest in who wins X factor than voting for a political candidate in an election and questioning their politicians on both their policies and actions when elected and holding them to account.

      Let’s face it……. total apathy generally and a ttal lack of understanding for what they were voting for in May 2010 i.e. a hung parliament or as the BBC kept telling us from September 2009 a “balanced parliament” and that it would be good for the country ..let alone falling for Clegg’s “man of the people” sincerity pitch in the first PM Debate when he actually managed to out-bullshit Cameron..The Bullshitter -in-Chief which was some achievement in itself….caused the present mess although Cameron actually achieved the near impossible i.e. failing to get an overall majority against the most useless and unpopuar Prime Minister in recent times whose campaign imploded on the even of the election with “Bigot – Gate” and when a first year politics student could probably have run a better campaign than the Tories in 2010

      Thankfully in 2015 I doubt if students will be queing outside the polling stations in Sheffield around the block at 10pm when the polls closed to vote for Clegg ….or probably Cameron the way things are shaping

      • 161
        Taxfodder says:

        Thank you for your comment, I am always cautious about mistaking disconnection for “thickness.

        Connection is best achieved on a two way street on “mutually agreed” agenda’s and carried through by all….not once every few years on party set agenda’s that are rarely kept to, now voting for that scenario would indeed be rather pointless although many do!

        In which case perhaps much of the public are not quite as thick as the small proportion that actually bother to vote!

      • 219
        Anonymous says:

        You couldnt listen to Radio phone ins prior to the election without some moron saying we should vote tactically, look where it got us !

    • 247
      Paedo Hater says:

      Absolutely spot on,couldn’t have put it better myself.

  9. 17
    sixupman says:

    There existed two distinct and separate arms of the McAlpine construction industry, springing from the original: Sir Robert and Sir Alfred. The former London based and the latter North Wales based. Journos should do their basic homework before jumping to conclusions – the same applies to Watson [witchcatcher in chief]!

    • 28
      Anonymous says:

      Most suspects have familiy members with the same name. Does that mean we can’t find and identify individuals? No.

    • 88
      Someone who worked in and around Wrexham in the 70s says:

      (Sir) Jimmy McAlpine lived near Wrexham in the 70s and 80s, although he was retired from Sir Alfred McAlpine & Sons. He was well known for his expensive cars. At one time McAlpines owned a car dealership called James Edwards, who had a franchise for Aston Martin, and Jimmy was often seen in Wrexham driving either an Aston, a Lagonda, or some other prestigious car. The number plates were, for example, MCA 300 or MCA 538.

      So it can be seen that he could easily be mistaken for ‘Lord’ McAlpine.

  10. 18
    Gonk II says:

    Watson’s strategy as plain to see as a big fucking tattoo etched on
    his swollen face. A grandstanding rabble-rousing bully.

    • 25
      I don't n e e d no doctor says:

      Watson really is hypocritical scum.

    • 27
      fuck the bbc says:

      Let’s see someone tell the fat C**t some hometruths in public – the Nonce Finder General as Littlejohn called him this morning

    • 62
      The General Public says:

      Watson is, and always has been, a posturing rent-a-gob.

      If he devoted half of the time and energy he expends getting his sweaty mug on the telly to coming up with ways to improve his ghastly shit-hole of a constituency, the good citizens of West Brom might be a bit better off.

  11. 21
    I don't n e e d no doctor says:

    Watson, yet again, hides behind parliamentry privilege. Watson should make his statements outside of the house, or his he too cowardly.
    I see ITV’s This Morning washed over the Schofield affair. Sorry but it won’t do! Scholfield should submit himself to interview by Brillo and Paxman. Let’s see how brave the little worm is then.

  12. 23
    Jon says:

    Anyone listening to 5Live’s interview with Meecham and another nameless victim on Monday would have realised this case was doomed, and how right Newsnight were to step back from the brink. When pressed on the nature of the abuse, answer came there none, the inference being it was so traumatising the victim could recall any of it. The interviewer – Derbyshire I think, cravenly ceased that line of questioning.

    Part of the problem here is non-journalists performing the role of inquisitor/researcher/whatever. From Twatson to Philip Scholfield, their research seems to be to basically read David Icke’s website. Indeed there have been numerous tits on here linking to Icke’s woeful site as if he’s suddenly become credible. Come on Watson you fat fuck, there’s a blog about Gordon Brown being a peado. Wny not mention that under parliamentary privilege too?

    • 32
      I don't n e e d no doctor says:

      Because Watson is your typical coward.

    • 35
      fuck the bbc says:

      Drearyshire is a disgrace – £2k a week in expenses for her to fly up and down to Salford every day to spout her left wing shite – BBC should just fuck her off

    • 151
      The Little One at the End says:

      What about this Operation Ore Fatso, ask for that to be re-opened!!

      • 231
        dunstall says:

        Great post by Jon,by the time the Drearyshires,twatsons and the Schofields of this world r finishes all the evidence if any exists will have been predujced

    • 248
      Paedo Hater says:

      You lot are unreal.No wonder these filthy nonces have been getting away with their evil deeds for the last 50 years,or more.It actually sounds like you are promoting paedophillia.

  13. 24
    Mad Frankie's Older Sister says:

    This has all the hallmarks of Red Rag 2

  14. 26
    Unimpressed says:

    This is actually very serious. A handful of MPs, well no it’s actually just Twatson, go around making all kinds of spurious but nasty accusations (mainly against people on the right) which then leads to trial by innuendo that is stoked by the “guilty until proved innocent” nature of these types of accusations. Meanwhile, Twatson hides behind parliamentary privilege and leaves his favourite MSM hacks to do the dirty work. It’s sickening.

    • 31
      fuck the bbc says:

      Agree – lets see the press go after the c**T properly

    • 40
      Selohesra says:

      What I don’t understand is why the right don’t fight back by seeding the internet with a few stories about Twatson & Bryant taking part in illegal activities

      • 93
        Mike Hunt says:

        The non-left have no voice – all the MSM is leftie biased and the thick populace have been conditioned to believe that anyone who is not a leftie is corrupt or a pervert, or both.

        • 228
          Anonymous says:

          The Daily Mail is owned and controlled by Bolsheviks.

          So is the Telegraph.

          And Murdoch is a Trot.

    • 114
      Drop a Daisy cutter on ITV says:

      Watson didn’t name names. If he was referring to Sir Peter Morrison then what he has said is right. And apparently Thatcher knew Morrison liked young boys.

      • 186
        Anonymous says:

        Watson said he was not referring to Morrison and the boys Morrison liked would be of legal age today.

  15. 30
    Simon says:

    Not the first time he’d be wrong.

    Din’t he help get the shit out about answerphone messages been deleted? Later found no evidence that it happened.

    Hmm.. stick to playing the X-Box m8!

  16. 36
    I've only been up the Wrexham once too says:

    What a sh*thole.

    Convenient that in this ‘witchhunt’ everyone is now forgetting that kids were actually abused.

    • 68
      Erskine May says:

      Yeah! Quite right! As long as you have a convenient offender, preferably Tory, even better a Lord, who gives a toss whether it is mistaken identity or not?

      Good thing he was not Muslim…

      • 154
        jrand says:

        Ah part of the smokescreen. Helps keeps religion of p eaxce abuse in South Yorkshire since 2000 out of the papers.

      • 166
        The establishment has never ever protected nonces says:

        Good thing he was not Muslim

        What like all those mulsim noncers the politicians, police and press turned a blind eye to for decades?

    • 84
      GUBU says:

      Sadly, the interests of those who were actually abused has never been at the forefront of the minds of some of those promoting this story…they weren’t worried about getting the names of individuals into the public domain – the interweb has done that for them – as long as they could use the word ‘Tory’ freely.

    • 221
      Anonymous says:

      We all know “kids ” were abused, but naming innocent prople doesnt make it right, does it.

      • 249
        Paedo Hater says:

        Who are you to say they are innocent.It seems the predictable Tory disinformation (or should that read misinformation) machine has been rapidly brought into action and all of a sudden there are 1,000′s of their supporters appearing from the woodwork to defend the poor old Tories.Does it not strike you as strange that the same kids that were assaulted by Savile were believed without question and everyone agreed that he was a nonce,but when the name Tory is uttered they are lying little Cun*s.

  17. 39
    Max By Graves says:

    Suspect Tom Watson will regret it

  18. 41
    Gerry says:

    On reflection, Tom Watson’s timing for his parliamentary announcement to the wider world of this ‘scandal’ is a curious one. Just after the Saville/BBC news was breaking/ Was he trying to deflect attention away from his ideological media allie maybe?

    That said, anyone involved in such alledged activity, should be hounded all the way to the prison gates!

  19. 45
    Don't you all owe The Guardian an apology? says:

    Maybe you should all make an apology to The Guardian for being the ones to exonerate McAlpine. It wasn’t the Murdoch papers but your eternal enemy.

    • 144
      Not really says:

      Someone’s sending Tommo a message that he’ll understand.

    • 170
      Windowlicker says:

      But, but, … Polly, Medhi, all those BBC non-job ads … no forgiveness until they are locked in the Murdoch stable!

  20. 46
    Nonces R' Us says:

    Will the Noble Lord issue proceeding for libel now ???

  21. 49
    Anonymous says:

    Anyone got a picture of the dead Mcalpine? So we can compare the two?

  22. 50
    digitaltoast says:

    I would hope that any conviction based on solid evidence would be lengthy.

    But I would also expect that the penalty for defamation or destruction of character through speculation or “mistaken identity” would be equal to any conviction for the act itself. This whole speculation thing is wildly out of control and the people making vague allegations which differ completely from previous evidence MUST be punished severely. They know exactly what they’re doing and it’s not helping he genuine victims.

    I heard Steve Messham- who was doing the media for the last two weeks making these allegations – being interviewed on The World at One a couple of days ago and I found him to be highly evasive of the questions and extremely aggressive when pushed, at one point the interviewer pointed out that Messham has said one thing, while the report said he’d said another thing. At which point Messham said “Don’t override me because I’ll just stop”.

    • 137
      Prince Rupert says:

      During the original inquiry 140 chaps that had been in the homes received substantial settlements from the Gov’t. There was accusations at the time that tehse boys wer milking the situation, such as join together, point a finger, receive damages. Measham looked as though he was sexing up the details, his story sounded untrue. Too much details, too many Tories, too many men naked in a hotel buggering a young lad, and then telling him their names. Measham has undergone the same treatment as Mrs Dowler, he beleives the story now, as Mrs Dowler did, because certain people had brainwashed the man/woman. This is a smear to get the story away from the BBC and onto the Tories. Watson is using these victims for party political purposes, which is a disgrace. The BBC needs a very deep investigation into the systemic abuse of children within their system. Disturbed abd vulnerable children bussed in for the pleasure of Jimmy, Gary and Freddie and their chums. Lpts of people knew and they all turned a blind eye. If this had happened in any other organisation there would be an uproar. The BBC is too big to fail, and this story about Wales is a smoke screen, Watson is a disgrace because he pretends to care about these victims but he clearly doesn’t and is using them for hos own advancement. Turn a very bright spotlight on the BBC, jsut as we did with Murdoch, now its the BBC’s turn.

      • 165
        Anonymous says:

        I agree the messenger and abused victim should be shot.

      • 173
        The establishment has never ever protected nonces says:

        The establishment turned a blind eye to thousands of white girls being pimped and r@ped by muslim gangs for something like three decades. The politicians, senior police and the MSM all had knowledge of what was going on, but did nothing.

        So, it’s hardly a problem just confined to the rotten BBC is it.

      • 222
        Anonymous says:

        Thank you, you have expressed my feelings better than could myself. I was amazed on this blog the amount of unpleasant posts,i have read until now. Do you think they are genuine, they have been coming in all day.

  23. 52
    Legal Crook says:

    Twatson will now have to find a new trumped up band wagon to push.

  24. 53
    The Wrong McAlpine says:

    What the article does say is that it was the now deceased Jimmy McAlpine who abused the boys and owned a fleet of cars that came to the home to collect the children.

  25. 54
    Tom Watson says:

    It is being suggested that the late Jimmie McAlpine, who is related to Lord Alistair McAlpine, may be the person referred to by witnesses as a child abuser.

    Lord Alistair McAlpine was close to Margaret Thatcher and helped finance her campaigns.

    Jimmy McAlpine lived near the Bryn Estyn children’s home in Wrexham; he chaired the north of England builders Alfred McAlpine Ltd.

    Steve Messham, a former resident of Bryn Estyn, said he had been taken to a Wrexham hotel and sexually abused by a top Tory more than a dozen times.

    A local councillor, Keith Gregory, who was also a victim of abuse at Bryn Estyn, told the Guardian he did not believe Lord Alistair McAlpine was the person involved.

    Keith Gregory said he thought a different member of the McAlpine family who lived locally may have been mistaken for Lord McAlpine.

    Steven Messham told the Waterhouse inquiry his abuser was dead, whereas Lord McAlpine is alive.

    When a Times reporter put Lord McAlpine’s name to Steven Messham in 1996, Steven said his abuser was called Tom.

    Local concillor Keith Gregory said boys from Bryn Estyn would be taken to the homes of two McAlpine family members in the area – Gerwyn Hall and Marchwiel Hall, both a few miles from Wrexham town centre.

    Gerwyn Hall was occupied by Jimmie McAlpine, who died in 1991, six years before the Waterhouse inquiry began.

    • 71
      Anonymous says:

      Why would Steven Messham contradict himself then and now, thereby casting serious doubt on his allegations?

      He said the police pressured him to change his evidence to the enquiry. There may, therefore, be alterations or omissions in that evidence that ‘appear’ contradictory.

      Why would he have anything personally against Lord McAlpine to now implicate him rather than a relative?

  26. 56
    Anonymous says:

    ‘Mistaken identity’ led to top Tory abuse claim
    Local councillor who was victim of abuse at Welsh care home says he does not believe Lord McAlpine was involved

    Note that mistaken identity is in inverted commas. That is, that The Guardian is being careful not to state that Lord McAlpine is innocent. It is the first time that the MSM has named him. Lord McAlpine cannot sue for defamation of character because The Guardian has not accused him of anything. It might simply be a ploy of being the first to name him without actually accusing him.

  27. 58
    Anonymous says:

    Wasn’t it meant to have been his son?

  28. 61
    The Undertones says:

    My perfect cousin

    Jimmy Jimmy

    Teenage Kicks

  29. 63
    Brillo says:

    Amazing what 20 secs of Google ‘research’ can dig up …

  30. 66
    fuck the bbc says:

    Basic journalism was all that was required let alone police work to establish it was not Lord McAlpine – the BBC should be ashamed – they started this bandwagon with Watson – they owe McAlpine one big apology and damages – the BBC should be closed down

    • 73
      Anonymous says:

      Why is this ‘evidence’ any more convincing than the original allegations?

      • 175
        GUBU says:

        It would be helpful if people started differentiating between allegations and evidence.

        They are not the same thing, but the former should ideally be based on the latter.

        Not in this case, it would appear…

    • 135
      Ctesibius says:

      You say “Basic journalism was all that was required…” but the question is – required for what?

      The BBC knows that if it can’t conflate the massive evidence of their own institutionalised child abuse with allegations that involve the word ‘Tory’, then this scandal may and should result in them being shown to be not ‘fit and proper’ and losing their Licence Fee monopoly.

      From this perspective what they require is the Labour Party to help them politicise their scandal.

      Let’s hope Lord McAlpine sues the pants off them and gives the proceeds to the people twatson and the Labour Party are REALLY exploiting – the children who were abused by BBC pedos…

      • 216
        Haribo Halfwit says:

        I fear that the tidy and elegant solution which you propose is not attainable: – there’s at least one mighty beast out there that’s thrashing around and in fear of its life. The damage caused in the process is impossible to predict.

  31. 70
    Simon says:

    Watson poisons the well again. Hope the cynical public don’t let his lot back in power.

  32. 74
    Tom Watson says:

    Lord McAlpine refers to “the senior Conservative figure…who is guilty”. Suggesting there is one

    • 83
      Engineer says:

      Stop grasping at straws, Twatson. You fucked up with this one. Just accept it.

      • 124
        General Sir Philp Michael Hunt says:

        So are you saying that no one ‘engineered’ the abuse and no one infleuntial was involved in the peado ring or that you buy MacAlpin’s story wholesale but not that of the victim?

        • 158
          124 is a moron ! says:

          Yes you moron the victim cannot even get his story right now we are expected to believe the police beat him up to change his evidence ?? so now the police are back to being evil liars unlike when they had a Tory in their sights then they were truth tellers??

  33. 75
    Philip 'Woodward and Bernstein' Schofield says:

    I mean, what’s so bad about being professionally trained to look after people’s feet? If I had a sunken arch I know I would seek one out!

  34. 78
    Polly Toynbee says:

    Guardian journalists opt for strike vote as showdown looms over compulsory redundancies

    • 106
      JH says:

      Great idea. Force the management to adopt a plan to do without you while you strike, which gives them a great way to find out if they can, you know, do without you. Sounds like a great way to ‘protect’ your job.

      Besides, I thought the workers were supposed to only strike against evil capitalists, not fluffy progressive institutions like the Guardian?

      God, I love watching these sanctimonious cvnts fuck themselves up.

      • 229
        dunstall says:

        Polly sends a message to her comrades……..I fully support your actions but unfortunately im being head hunted to become the next editor of Nesnight

  35. 82

    Anonymous Says – probably the biggest blog bigot in Britain. – typical Labour who even when confronted with the truth will still bend the facts to his own prejudiced ends. Let’s hope that Lord McAlpine sues Twitter, Schofield and the ITV

  36. 85
    Justine Thornton QC Wife of Millonaire Ed says:

    I think that McAlpine should sue Watson through the courts in Italy, claiming that what was said in the HoC cannot be taken before the courts may apply to the UK but not the courts in Italy

  37. 91
    blub says:

    more cat/pigeon interfacing, goodo

  38. 94
    Johann Hari says:

    Alleged victims of abuse often suffer from false memories, particularly when they have been subjected to intrusive quack therapies (often on the NHS, to its shame). I, however, have a perfect memory as a result of early training by Socrates, Isaac Newton and Christian Rosenkreuz – a matter that I often discussed during those jam sessions with the boys at Abbey Road in the 1960s (though I preferred to remain uncredited).

    • 111
      David Rose says:

      Johann, tell us how it felt to record Thriller, the biggest selling record of all time. And are you furious that James Cameron took credit for all your work on Avatar, which is the highest grossing film of all time. And why were you so kind as to let JD Salinger put his name on your novel The Catcher in the Rye?

      I look forward to your new book in which you detail how you personally saved hundreds of people from drowning after the Titanic sank.

      • 132
        Johann Hari says:

        Some day, I will! However, you do me too much credit when you say that I saved ‘hundreds’ from the Titanic. I personally only saved seventy-three. The others, I can confirm, were rescued by the noble Captain Janeway and the crew of USS Voyager.

  39. 95
    Johnny remember me. says:

    So Spellman, Perry, Goldsmith and the usual Tory misfits are seeking to gag the press.

  40. 96
    will says:

    Tom watson may be pleased with himself, but once this story starts rolling you can bet that a lot of labour politicians will be worried about this. once it starts who knows who will be outed in the labour party.

    • 156
      Gerry says:

      Correct Will, rumours are already abound. “Abound” sounds like rebound – be carefull Tom!

  41. 100
    Gordon Brown says:

    I wish to make it known that I have never visited a woman, do not know what women are and have never been with one.

    • 117
      Gordon Brown says:

      Apart from when I had to go in Gillian Duffys house and apologise for calling her bigotted

      • 169
        McBroon fantasist says:

        Don’t forget Margaret Thatcher, Gordon. She’s the woman who was directly responsible for the economic mess you sorted out – remember? Didn’t you go and thank her for giving you the opportunity to save the world?

  42. 101
    Steve Miliband says:

    Twatson couldn’t even get into a Gordon Brown cabinet, so he grandstands instead

    • 152
      Legal Landlord says:

      Why has twatson become so prominent since Labour lost the election in 2010 as I hadnt heard of him before then ?

  43. 105
    Gordon Brown says:

    Over the last several days it has become apparent to me that a number of ill- or uninformed commentators have been using blogs and other internet media outlets to accuse me of being the Chancellor responsible for turning a prosperous economy in 1997 to one that was a wretched omnishambles by 2007. I deny any such accusation and will sue anyone who says otherwise. I think people must have mistaken my identity for Gordon Bowen, a person with a track record of destroying economies.

  44. 107
    Martin says:

    Don’t forget the peadoes in the B B C

    • 121
      Twatson says:

      That’s the whole fucking idea, you idiot.

      I won’t have our propaganda wing inconvenienced in any way. I don’t care who gets hurt, as long as I can spin it for party advantage.

  45. 108
    will says:

    i bet his own party are hating tom as its ones of those areas from the 70′s that labour do not want dragging up as thye have a bad habit of catching your own side at it as well. all parties have dirty laundry that they do nto want aired in public, tom needs to remember how the expenses scandel snowballed to all parties. it will be back to jeremy thorpe again

  46. 109
    chadacre says:

    An oddly qualified denial “I did not sexually abuse Mr Messham or any other residents of the children’s home in Wrexham”. Why not: “or any other children”?

  47. 113
    Gordon the Gopher says:

    How can a man whose career is based on a glove puppet bouncing up and down around his genitals claim claim to be an expert on child abuse?

  48. 118
    Jimmy says:

    So does this mean he admits working for Thatcher?

  49. 119
    Penfold says:

    A firm rebuttal and clear threat to anyone who libels him.

    Lets hope that this is not the first steps in the same sort of line taken by Archer and Aitken et al.

  50. 120
    Anonymous says:

    “I have never been to the children’s home in Wrexham, nor have I ever visited any children’s home, reform school or any other institution of a similar nature.”

    Tomorrows Guardian Headline:

    Uncaring Tory Never Even Visited Orphaned Children.

    • 125
      JH says:

      You’re presuming the twats won’t be on strike. Oh woe, how could we get by without a daily dose of progressive sanctimony.

  51. 126
    anonymous says:

    We’re now in the next stage of the cover-up.

    • 139
      The History man says:

      Stage 1. Man doesn’t bite dog.
      Stage 2. Man is accused of biting dog.
      Stage 3. Man denies biting dog.
      Stage 4. Man is assumed guilty of biting dog because he denies biting dog.

      • 146
        General Sir Philp Michael Hunt says:

        Stage 5. Man says my brother actually bit dog and not me.
        Stage 6. Everyone loses interest and other men get on with the important business of biting dog

  52. 131
    Friendly Anarchist says:

    Please God, let Messham post a twitpic of the photo. Let’s hear from the investigating officers who viewed the photos.

  53. 133
    Loopy Lou LLB (Hons) says:

    You cannot defame the dead .

  54. 136
    FurtiveFerret says:

    Don’t see how:-

    pours cold water

    Is Tom the only one to be a little confused?

  55. 140
    Fatso Watson says:

    I’ve been a very naughty boy and nurse has told me to wash my mouth out with soap!

  56. 142
    General Sir Philp Michael Hunt says:

    Tomorrow’s BBC headline….Lots of children sexually abused, tortured and killed, no one responsible. Let’s all get back to work!

  57. 148
    The History man says:

    One of the accused must be called Davis (seeing as they are a Welsh peedo ring), so why not drag David Davis into the conspiracy? No real evidence needed of course. But he must be assumed guilty as he is a Tory.

  58. 150
    • 176
      Rhonddablue says:

      Hmm. Not easy to believe that old gadgee was chasing care-home boys round Wrexham 30 years after the photo was taken.

    • 233
      Anonymous says:

      Looks like a nonce. But he was married. There again Bunny’s a nonce and he’s married.

  59. 164
    Anonymous says:

    So does this mean we get to throw that sneak Watson into jail or not ?

  60. 167
    David Icke says:

    Tom Watson should resign for turning a serious crime into party upmanship. Showboating in parliament, when he should be simply reporting any crime to the police, unless of course he wants all the attention !

  61. 171
    Moby dick says:

    BBC—–Andrew Neil slamming on the brakes

    They must be worried

  62. 179
    Anonymous says:

    Lord Mcalpine says “it wan’t me”, everyone goes “oh ok then”, die watson, die.


  63. 180

    Just out of interest, is it known if the person who’s supposed to have *actually* committed the offences, and is supposed to be dead now, was ever held to account?

  64. 184
    Sarge says:

    So David Icke has become the source of truth has he?

    A man who believes a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie.

    Compared to Watson’s garbage, he probably is.

  65. 188
    Doiinnnngggg says:

    too long

  66. 189
    Great Granddad says:

    I know a chap who has never been falsely accused of anything on the internet. There are fewer of them every day.

  67. 190
    Arthur Foxache says:

    Okay so maybe he is not a peedo……but he is still a tory and for that crime no punishment is too grate…

  68. 192
    Cmdr.Adama says:

    I ‘m sure a lot of the original rumours i saw on the web said something like ‘ a man who shares a surname with a top-tory’ or ‘shares the surname of a tory money man’ etc.
    Can we conclude that the story centred on Jimmy of n.Wales and not his relative and move on to letting Philip Schofield know ?

  69. 195
    Nemesis says:

    “…the damage to my reputation…” What reputation?

    • 202
      Anonymous says:

      he wasn’t botherd about his reputation in 1994,when he was first publicaly accused by Scallywag. Didn’t say a peep or sue.

  70. 198
    In The Know says:

    There is another high Tory still alive involved in Wales who is not Lord McAlpine

  71. 199
    Poor Old Man says:

    Suspect you’ll regret it Watson, you fat f***er.

  72. 203
    D. Morrison says:

    It seems pretty obvious – those who are innocent and those who are guilty have one thing in common – they will all say they are innocent. I have locked up more than a few in my time – most of them are utterly unapologetic, bare-faced, manipulative liars and by normal standards white knuckle risk takers. The more money they have, the more they threaten with the courts. These are wretches who destroy especially vulnerable young people – I hope Guido will hold his nerve and play his part in keeping the pressure on.

  73. 205
    Damo says:

    Still doesn’t explain why the future King, an ex-Prime Minister and the Beeb were having Saville round for tea and biscuits for years despite everyone now claiming they knew for years he played for the youth team, why the initial scope of Waterhouse watered down and the follow up also. Thankfully, there probably isn’t a secret peado ring at the heart of government but something still stinks in North Wales. And I don’t mean the Welsh.

  74. 207
    Ed Balls fisted my hamster says:

    I see Sky have started the back-backlash:
    “Child Sex Abuse Victim Recalls Horror
    A child abuse victim from a care home in Wales has told Sky News he was taken to London as a 12-year-old for sex with adults. ”

    No need for McAlpine to have gone to Wales, ergo he’s STILL guilty as charged. Nice move.

  75. 210
    Hannibal from Carthage says:


    So if it was not this Lord McAlpine character buggering little boys whilst they were in Council Care, who was doing it then ?

    Is the State saying that the allegations are all made up ?

    Needless to say we still await straight answers to these simple questions .

  76. 224
    Brown out and pay me damages. says:

    It is getting very messy now.

  77. 226
    Anonymous says:

    Is it just me, but if i was a member of a wealthy family with a famous name i dont think i would be hanging around childrens homes or cheap hotels in Wrexham abusing young boys. Surely you would go somewhere you werent known.

    • 230
      Anonymous says:

      That’s how most normal people would think. But the sort of person involved in this sort of behaviour isn’t normal.

  78. 227
    theflyingmonkblog says:

    Jimmie McAlpine and his then chauffeur, David Lloyd, appear in this magazine article featuring Jimmie’s collection of exotic classic cars at Gerwyn Hall, Wrexham. Amongst his hoard, at least one Rolls Royce:

    It may be purely coincidental but a 67 year old man by the name of David Lloyd, from Gresford, near Wrexham, was convicted of sex offences against a 13-year-old girl in 2006:

    • 241
      Anonymous says:

      “Lloyd had worked in industry for 40 years” and “was a member of the Chartered Institute of Managers, and was on the executive of the British Business Association in East Africa”

  79. 232
    Bluebottle says:

    What is the difference between “defamatory ” and “seriously defamatory ” ?

  80. 234
    Friendly Anarchist says:

    In May 2003 the London Evening Standard reported that Lord McAlpine was the “well-known and anonymous collector” for whom Bloomsbury Book Auctions was selling a collection of 344 “fashion and eroticism” photographs, including “10 snaps of very young girls in very suggestive poses by Graham Ovenden”.

    Graham Ovenden is on a Ministry of Justice list of suppliers of material indicative of paedophilia – p.11

  81. 240
    Arse Lover says:

    better start deleting some of these comments from the last few days, Guido, before you get sued by Lord MuckAlpenis

  82. 242
    percy says:

    can’t believe we all fell for it hook, line, sinker
    embarrassed or wot !
    shall leave reading guido-fawkes
    and the rest of you shit heads with effect from NOW

  83. 243
    Anonymous says:

    I still cant help wonder why he didn’t react to the Scallywag article, in this way.

  84. 245
    shea says:

    seen this in ireland. people came out with concerns of witch hunt when the first investigations into the child about scandals happened. so what, it has to happen. if there is suspicion of an adult abusing a child then investigate. some innocent people will be tarred and some criminals caught out. same as any other criminal investigation process.

  85. 251
    RIP Richard Webster says:

    A witch hunt does not have to happen. People made it happen. Shoddy journalism, credulity and insanity (like Icke) are a dangerous combination. And the Savile affair conditioned the public to swallow it hook line and sinker. I have been telling anyone that would listen for days that this story was a crock of shit. How reliable are/were the rest of the accusations?? Is no-one interested in that?

  86. 252
    Perplexed says:

    “I did not sexually abuse Mr Messham or any other residents of the children’s home in Wrexham.”

    I’m surprised that he did not take the opportunity to say: I have never abused any child.

  87. 253
    Jive Bunny says:

    Some people can buy anything… We have gone from sex abuse scandal to witch-hunt and now we have THE PRICE IS RIGHT !

  88. 258
    Kat says:

    I wonder if the press are now speaking with John Bell? His mother was a Mcalpine. He used to live at Marchwiel Hall but is now living in Thailand.

    He has a website (google Marchbrook Leisure)

  89. 259
    Guido Cunt says:

    so McLupine doesn’t deny ever sexually abusing anyone, just that he didn’t do it in Wales

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