November 7th, 2012

1922 Committee EU Budget Friction

While Boris was the headliner of the Tory backbench 1922 Committee meeting tonight, it seems Claire Perry got a rough ride for standing up and lambasting the 53 rebels from last weeks EU Budget vote. Sources say said rebels did not hide their contempt for what they saw as a concerted effort by “whip’s stooges” to castigate the naughty ones for upsetting the government. Kris Hopkins went off on one about collusion with Labour and urged colleagues to write to the Mail on Sunday to complain about coverage. Guido doubts the post bag will be bursting.


216 Comments

  1. 1
    Kebab Time says:

    Just gives us plebs a say!

    • 9
      Red Egg..... says:

      Why the Mail on Sunday?

      • 21
        Anonymous says:

        Without EU and Human Rights this country would have end up like a slave factory. Most of you lot will be waiting at the homes of some rich man.

        • 23
          Engineer says:

          The EU is a democracy free zone. That’s getting perilously close to slavery.

          • Anonymous says:

            We don’t even elect our Head of State!

            Even though I have to say she is much better than the once who could have become Head of State.

          • Engineer says:

            Our head of state takes no part in politics, so not being elected is not really an issue. The decision-makers (or at any rate, those that carry the can at election time for the decisions made) are elected.

          • jubilee says:

            Anonymous it’s way past your bed time, do just fuck off and don’t give mummy any lip.

          • Anonymous says:

            Dominic Grieve moved to avert a constitutional crisis by blocking the release of 27 letters containing “particularly frank” views that could cast doubt on the Prince’s political neutrality.

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-charles/9613523/Prince-of-Wales-letters-letters-a-threat-to-Charles-as-King.html

            I agree with a lot of things he said in public. It would have been better if he was the PM than some of the idiots we ended up with.

          • Engineer says:

            What has that got to do with the Head of State? Charlie isn’t King yet, in case you weren’t aware.

          • Herman van Rompuy (unelected President of Britain) says:

            “We don’t even elect our Head of State!”

            Damn right you don’t. I rule you. You get no say.

            My obedient poodles in the LibLabCon Party of the Slave State of Britain love this situation. As I do, too. Natch.

            Send me more money.

          • kebabmon says:

            It looks like a german dictatorship at the moment!

          • Anonymous says:

            why is the Queen, the mother confessor.
            the pm reports to her every week.
            she might be the biggest political player in the land, for all we know, and we don’t.

        • 25
          Red Egg..... says:

          And where in the world do you come from??

        • 35
          Anonymous says:

          Engineer, then why was Charles writing letters for and government refusing to publish it?

        • 37
          Anonymous says:

          Engineer, Charley was writing letter what was it about?

          • Anonymous says:

            It does not matter, they never read them. When was the last recorded time that an MP took notice of anyone other than themselves.

            It good that he even tried to communicate.

        • 52
          heckmonwyke says:

          Waiting for what?

        • 82
          lojolondon says:

          Yes, exactly the same as we were since the 1960′s when I was born. You are probably the pillock who wrote in the Guardian that China is more of a democracy than the USA!

        • 157
          Jack "Magna" Carter says:

          England invented human rights you dikhed.

        • 215
          David Cameron Is A Cunt! says:

          You are a Moron and I claim my free slave!

      • 28
        Anonymous says:

        Before talking about EU budget they should kick the peado out of House of Commons or at least assure the pubic that these people aren’t sitting MPs or Lords.

        • 32
          Red Egg..... says:

          So who is the ‘peado’ in the House of Commons? Name names :)

          • Anonymous says:

            Just check the internet.

          • Engineer says:

            Ah yes. The internet. That well-known zone of complete freedom from unsubstantiated rumours, gossip, nutters with grudges and trolls with axes to grind.

            Yeah – if it’s on the internet it must be right.

            Pillock.

          • the sound and the fury says:

            Er, you’re on the internet Engineer.

          • Engineer says:

            So are you. Are we both nutters?

          • Anonymous says:

            There are three of them doing the rounds, none of them have sued. I am sure most of you will know their names.

          • the sound and the fury says:

            “So are you. Are we both nutters?”

            Only if you need to ask.

          • Bill Quango MP says:

            Are you sure its a Tory MP?

            In the 80s it was always Labour MPs sucking up to miners.

          • Anonymous says:

            Engineer is right. It kind of feels good when there are facts to support accusations. A certain MP should take note that they are also required when accusing the public.

      • 68
        Fish says:

        Why the Mail on Sunday?

        ’cause it and it’s sister paper masquerade as Tory papers but are determined to undermine the Tories, Cameron, the Royal Family.

        Remember that its editor was a regular companion and ‘friend’ of Goron Brown. He was said to have attended his child’s funeral and acording to Leveson evidence regularly met Gordoom for early morning walks and breakfast.

        • 92
          Blowing Whistles says:

          There is no smoke without fire – Mr Dacre was of course a major cog / name amongst others on the D Notice committee at the time of the Iraq war.

          If no one has the full set of names – and asks me politely for them – I will put them up tomorrow.

        • 119
          Anonymous says:

          “went off on one” very good phase to describe his actions. Has been known to apologise. A loose cannon to be directed carefully, but totally loyal and complicit in cover-ups.

    • 10
      CCHQ says:

      No don’t worry – we are losing the plot, not you.

    • 19
      Government against the People says:

      Why? The plebs did not vote to join, why do they need a referendum to leave? We just needs MP’s prepared to act in the interest of their constituents. Vote them out until we have MP’s prepared to do as the electorate demand.

      • 58
        V1le Labour ruined my Country says:

        The political class have a different agenda it’s called self enrichment. The voters are the annoying people that try and stop this agenda.

    • 120
      Anonymous says:

      is 1922 hard core establishment.

    • 153
      Me, Myself, and I says:

      I would very much like to give Claire Perry a VERY rough ride!

  2. 2
    Keith Chegwin says:

    Good

    • 5
      I don't need no doctor says:

      Weren’t you at the BBC at the same time as Savile?

      • 12
        Red Egg..... says:

        I once encouraged my kids to write to Jim’ll fix it, we wanted a new house, I have to say we are all traumatised by the allegations and how close we were to being victims, actually we consider ourselves to be victims :)

  3. 3
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Some would enjoy a rough ride from Claire Perry.

  4. 4
    yvette cooper lady boy says:

    clare perry is a babe I would

  5. 7
    Justine Thornton QC Wife of Millonaire Ed says:

    Bet she is a better shag than Ed

  6. 14
    Kebab the right wing troll says:

    “And I would have gotten away with it too if it weren’t for you meddling minorities, women and gays!” – Mitt Romney

  7. 17
    Giovanni Di Stefano says:

    THE CHILDREN’S HOMES ORGANISED PAEDOPHILE RINGS BY CHILDREN HAVE RIGHTS IN SOCIETY http://www.onlinepublishingcompany.info/content/read_more/complexInfobox/site_news/infobox/elements/template/default/active_id/1964

  8. 18
    Giovanni Di Stefano says:

    THE CHILDREN’S HOMES ORGANISED P**DOPHILE RINGS BY CHILDREN HAVE RIGHTS IN SOCIETY http://www.onlinepublishingcompany.info/content/read_more/complexInfobox/site_news/infobox/elements/template/default/active_id/1964

  9. 22
    Mad Nad from down under says:

    Did I get a mention possums?

  10. 26
    Engineer says:

    I’m mildly encouraged by the 2010 intake. Quite a lot of them have done things other than politics, and some of them seem to be able to think for themselves. They won’t solve all the problems, of course, but they do show signs of wanting to address some of them in the country’s interests.

    Being stroppy about the EU budget increase isn’t quite the same as telling the EU to get stuffed, but at least it’s better than the usual trotting through the ‘aye’ lobby on whip’s instructions as yet another slice of sovereignty disappears to Brussels. Maybe there’s a sliver of hope yet.

  11. 34
    • 49
      Aunty Matter says:

      Not a story for the BBC unless it’s a Tory MP

      • 98
        Quiet Bat Person says:

        “Shadow health minister Jamie Reed was updating his 19,000 followers about an ‘obnoxious’ passenger on his train when he asked is she was ‘growing that for Movember’ – the cancer charity event which encourages men to grow a moustache in November.”

        Hirsutism in women can be caused by a testosterone imbalance caused by ovarian cancer.

        Goes to show what an ignorant fuckwit this man from the ‘nice’ Labour party is.

        • 126
          Anonymous says:

          He’s just jealous because he can’t grow one himself.

        • 168
          God says:

          Hirsutism in women can also be caused by too many shakes of the ugly stick

          • Shut the f*ck up. says:

            I hate Labour, but this was an off the cuff remark that is actually quite funny. I think i know why only 89 people singed the petition to address clause five in the justice bill.

            Every faux outrage gives the political scum who lord it over us, another stick to beat us with. She/he insulted me sir, boo hoo. This sort of acerbic comment should be encouraged, it’s what we Brits do, we insult people using wit and humour, rather than go into some frothing at the mouth tirade, as a particular section of British society do.

            we’re quite famous for it. And if we have any chance at all off stopping those who wish to see us all cowed and afraid to say anything lest it causes offence to anyone, trivial comments like are you growing that for movember, should be encouraged/ignored according to preference.

  12. 45
    Bogeyman says:

    Claire Perry is welcome to lambast me any time. PIC

  13. 46
    Aunty Matter says:

    The Tories don’t get it do they? The same fate awaits them as the Republicans in the USA.

    Cam-moron supports letting Turkey join the EU, just what we need 60 odd million Muslims and guess what Country a lot of them will be heading to? Cam-moron wants to keep the jocks who would rather vote for Jimmy Savile than a Tory.

    Liebore like Obumma know that if you can let enough dross into your Country and get them hooked on benefits, you’ve got a built in majority. The ever more tiny group of white males that pay the bulk of the taxes simply get out voted.

    If Cam-moron doesn’t do it he needs to be got rid of by the Tories before the next election.

    They need to come down hard on the jocks to ensure they vote for independence, get the boundary changes sorted out and get the fuck out of the EU. Close down the borders and kick out the illegal dross.

    Of course none of that will happen and all that will happen is out national debt will grow, the printing of money will continue, pensions will continue to decrease in value, those of us that work and pay taxes will have to work longer and probably never get to retire whilst women who never worked will be ‘given’ a pension for simply firing kids out of their c u nt z.

    The NHS will continue to murder people at will (what is it they call it the Liverpool treatment or something? I didn’t see Danny Boyle include that at the Olympics) the politicians will keep sending white males off to fight wars no one can win and our education system will continue to turn out mongs.

    Welcome to the new world order.

  14. 47
    Oswald Mosley says:

    Dissension in the ranks! Rather rum show, chaps! Don’t you think it’s about time we put that sick old dog Democracy out of its misery?
    Now here’s what I call a 1922 Committee!

    • 70
      Funambulist says:

      Would that be Oswald Mosley, the fervent Fabian and Labour MP for Smethwick or Oswald Mosley, the jackboot-wearing Hitler-wannabe Fascist? Oh wait—!

      • 146
        ÁC1 says:

        You don’t take away the socialist when you make national socialism, you just modify the group to pick on.

        • 182
          HenryV says:

          As long as the trains run on time who cares?

          • Socialists are Psychopaths says:

            F*ck socialism to hell and back. The most poisonous, murderous and divisive creed ever to take root. It’s political bindweed and eventually kills off all competing plantlife, if it is allowed to grow and prosper.

  15. 55
    Aunty Matter says:

    Why the fuck have the BBC got Shami Shitmyknickers on the BBC telling ‘us’ who should be running the Police?

    This thick fucking bitch has never stood for election and has no political mandate. so why does she think she’s got any right to try to dictate policy?

  16. 56
    Dad says:

    I have on many occasions been the victim of child abuse.

  17. 59
    P Ervert says:

    I believe this lady works on television:

    http://i50.tinypic.com/rjo27a.jpg

  18. 63
    El Presidente says:
  19. 75
    An Ex Minor says:

    It would be a treat to see the savages of Hull elect that pound(ours)land nonce Queening it about with flashing blue lights just as Cottager B
    lair does
    Those that dont have flat caps to doff should be issued with them
    Inbred North Yorkshire scum

  20. 84
    Oy Vey says:

    Maude caught..err…what’s the word…oh yeah…lying. Again. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20224736

  21. 91
    Minorities says:

    You don’t need the bullit, when you got the ballot.

    Ali Akbar

  22. 94
    Nadine Dorries UKIP MP says:

    Nad ain’t so mad after all. She’s defecting to UKIP.

    Speculation grows that she could use the TV exposure to defect to UKIP

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2228512/Im-A-Celebrity-line-2012-Nadine-Dorries-reveals-jungle-outfit.html

  23. 103
    I am not living a lie for a violating exploitive, bullying, lying, immature, ugly,.magic gaybo says:

    Very tiresome.

  24. 104
    Political shenanigans says:

    New political thriller Secret State on Channel 4 at 10pm. Gabriel Byrne stars as a deputy PM who, for some reason, is made to bear a striking resemblance to Gordon Brown. It’s based on A Very British Coup.

  25. 105
    Anonymous says:

    Stupid girl.She’s nearly as bad as louise minge.

  26. 108
    Tories Beware says:

    Jocks+immigrants+benefit claimants+public sector+unreformed boundaries = permanent Labour majority.

    • 176
      Labour policy wonk says:

      Indeed!

      Pack the country with Latinos, now the biggest majority and who mainly vote Democrat

  27. 110
    Gordon Brown says:

    i wish my head would stop growing

  28. 114
    albacore says:

    Who cares if they scrap like rats in a sack?
    Where’s a real Tory in that load of cack?
    If Camo’s the best of their very best
    What more need you know about all the rest?

  29. 117
    Sir WW says:

    There was an MP for Devizes
    Whose ***s were of two different sizes
    The one that was small
    Was no use at all
    But the other was huge and won prizes.

    • 129
      albacore says:

      There was a clown in Downing Street
      World-famous for his two left feet
      When he tried to walk whilst chewing gum
      It induced vibrations in his bum
      And caused his brain to over-heat

  30. 128
    Sparkler says:

    The first mates name was Mabel
    By God she was quite able
    she gave the crew their daily do
    upon the chart room table

    • 149
      albacore says:

      Come now, Sparkler, it was the captain’s daughter
      Renowned for doing what she hadn’t oughter
      The Good Ship Venus is the classic ode
      Check the captain’s fitness to shift his load

      • 152
        Sparkler says:

        You have left me with an albatross around my neck.

        • 163
          Tachybaptus says:

          It was an ancient Alabatross
          Who said, ‘You caused the wreck
          By shooting me and hanging me
          Around your bloody neck.’

          • John Cleese says:

            “It is an ancient mariner,
            And he stoppeth one of three…”

            Sounds like a few goalkeepers I’ve seen.

      • 161
        Blowing Whistles says:

        Old but regenerated.
        There was a middle aged woman called Nadine
        Who had a most peculiar feelin
        She lay on her back
        opened her craick
        and pi55ed all over the celing

  31. 131
    The Jungle Telegraph says:
    • 132
      The Bush Tucker says:
      • 133
        Sparkler says:

        Thank god Twitter cover has been organised, was it put in place by COBRA?.

      • 135
        Engineer says:

        For once, ‘twitpic’ seems remarkably apposite.

        • 150
          The spirit of Boris. says:

          Quite right.

          At least she is enjoying herself and not pretending to be who she is not, unlike the majority of MPs.

          What she is doing is very risky though but one thing Nadine is not and that is naive.

          Hope it works out for her and I’m sure she is doing this on a wing and a prayer.

          • Bogeyman says:

            Dave is a total arse for sacking Nads. She’s going to be hugely popular. Just for once he had a winner but he’s blown it because some pathetic focus group told him she is disgraceful for neglecting her constituency – as if her absence will make a jot of difference.

            Boris would have seen the potential. He wouldn’t have blown it.

          • An MP's Expenses Form says:

            Shhhh. If everyone realised that MPs make no difference to anything at all, whether in Parliament or somewhere in the jungle, people would start asking why we have them. And then where’d we all be?

      • 180
        Not that clegg, another one says:

        She looks like Howard’s Marina out of Last of the Summer Wine

  32. 137
    Gordon Brown says:

    I’d like to meet President Romany for a photo op in the kitchen.

  33. 138
    Clive Dunn RIP says:

    They don’t like it up ‘em!

  34. 139
    Saffron says:

    Who the hell is this clara woman?.
    Claim to fame for her anyone ?.
    The 53 that she complains about,are as far as I am concerned are on the right track.
    The EUSSR budget is a 18 teen year unacountable waste of taxpayers cash which is a disgrace.
    When are these EUSSR assholes going to be held accountable?.
    These troughers are the dregs of what we are supposed to have in a civilised society.
    Completely unelected,and this is democracy,don’t make me laugh.
    Cammoron needs to grow a pair and quick to take this country out of this asshole called the EUSSR.
    How many times is our leader going to bury his head in the sand,in the belief that the electorate are wrong.
    Makes me think what he thinks is in it for him.
    Politicians today are completely in it for themselves and not for the people they represent.

  35. 144
    President Obama says:

    Yo! Suck my motherfucking dick!

  36. 147
    Who do you think you are kidding... says:

    Bloody hell. Never knew Clive Dunn was once a fascist and a member of Mosley’s Black Shirts. I saw him do a song-and-dance routine with Kinnock on the 83 election campaign trail. Is nothing from my childhood sacred?

  37. 148
    Clive Dunn says:

    When I met Kinnock, I asked him what Glynis was like in bed, and he said “She don’t like it up her.”

    • 175
      Cpl Jones says:

      Heres an extra helping of sausage Mrs Kinnock
      Mr Kinnock is Busy in Wrexham
      Dont panic
      Jimmy savile is with him

  38. 154
    A Loser says:
  39. 166
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Does George Monbiot comprehend the words you contradictory climate change nutter – when he speaks of gossip sites and suffers temporary amnesia about the Scientific facts?

    Als heimers must be catching up with the inverted logic of Monbiot.

  40. 179
    Nadines Knockers says:

    Do you want them out ?

  41. 185
    Eu is a joke! says:

    Dave needs a rethink on the EU. The Major years will come back to haunt him!

    • 188
      not a machine reloaded says:

      And at the dinner for Dave and Frau Merkel , venison and some german cake for afters , make of that what you will , but just hope dave can use an impressive set of antlers when it comes down to it , I had to laugh greece is getting a bailout having just agreed to an austeity pacakge , note this bailout will be used to stop greece from defaulting on its next debt interest payment , so its all still lending pea under the cup manouver .
      Although at this juncture Dave has made his position quite clear , only inflation increase somthing like an extra £3mn a day , lets not forget the £40bn to the IMF (safe as houses returns ?) I must have got it all wrong then we can afford to be held upside down have our pockets emptied and spanked on the arse , without any adverse wealth effects :)

  42. 186
    not a machine reloaded says:

    Whilst I do perhaps feel in the mood for a rant , I was struck by aunty matters post num 46 . I will await the new archbishops answers to a few important questions before contemplating a rush to the armoury , he does on the face of it look quite an interesting new strand in the midst of all the forment at the CofE , whilst considering myself somthing of a traditionalist , in part because of the continuation of the ministry and sacrements , as being more finely worked to comprehend in a lifetime , I will be interested to see if he has some thoughts for those of us that have tried very hard to explain to the reformers , that they are throwing away very important details , that help you to encounter the many facets of the Bible . I can see how very intelligent people arrived at pop church , it was perhaps a hangover from the 70s , I sigh at the iniatives of pleasing the youth with such a thin theological meal, or even those who want some sort of happy pop hybrid , where sermons relate more and more to fictions on TV programs . You simply cannot understand the teachings of jesus without comprehending the thread of Israel through the Old Testament , the Bible is not just the New Testament , if that were so the church would condone all the failings of the Old testament , that are still repeated today . There are profound understandings in the Bible and good tutors and scholars make all the difference , even though some see the church as dying , although one could perhaps rephrase that argument , into evaluating what has conspired to make it irrelevent . I am currently reading Pope Benedicts Jesus of Nazereth , which has been an enourmous encourage ment , in my skirmishes with those within the church who have not valued the long journey properly.

    I say this as Wall street reaction to Obamas victory was swift , indeed some republicans seem to be promoting a headless chickens media front about having to learn from the Obama drubbing , and talk of easing out the nutter christians and becoming a sort of easy chair party , throw a few hoops , smoke some weed , all be what the new Reblican party should be aiming at , well not eaxctly . The reaction to a defeat can be short term thought . Peter Obourne and Damian Thompson have perhaps sensed this divided America and plotted the outcome , which is a step to dangerous and delibating fear , that modernity has created, irrelevance for the church and the legislatures reflection on the Bible .
    This erosion has perhaps been going on for some time , I recall when Lord Bragg (a Christian ) made his program about the end of the 10 commandements a few years ago , and his substitute 10 in there place . Of course to inform the public of the ten commandments , would sound alien as I doubt most people could recall more than three . We are talking about 1500 yrs of belief that has delivered pretty much most of the science and wealth thought , you simply cannot say Uh Huh throwing a few hoops and smoking some weed is anything like the long processession of the christian faith through time . We of course have educated people with no faith , who are free to play around with , its theories and equations and pose new concepts , which seem to conspire that God isnt really there , as we can do all these things by our own godless minds efforts . That does not however in any way prove that what I or many Millions of others percieve is God , and more importantly an enduring truth about Jesus that goes beyond , what ever intellectual fashions hold sway in mere lifespans of earthly promotions.
    The USA has a holiday I think for the founding fathers , who landed on plymouth Rock , they were devoutely Christian people , there was of course a troubled history from then to today , but none the less a Christian current has run the USA , it is not and never has been a mere stage prop in that countrys impressive success . So for the Republicans to be even considering the Christians as a danger to electoral success , shows perhaps a subconcious problem with what culturally that country has become . Something is perhaps vying with belief and faith , contesting it . It has won this round , but then again it hasnt really had proper evaluation as an opponent , godless success is perhaps spin , you deliver certain points to convince of the truth . As we have seen with Obama , hes got hope , the best is yet to come …. by the bucketload , which all well and good people have bought into his promise and his vision in its evangelical typically American style , Jesus story is quite different , great care with his words , not offering nation state prosperity , but freedom from the poverity of sin for the individual . Mass is not like being a political party member , your political beliefs are shaped by it , you cannot shape the true christian faith to any sucessful conclusion by politics. It ends in disaster as the connection to the source is contested suffering and stressed.

    Dave likes the idea of gay marriage so does George and so does Nick , they have arrived at it by making the tragic mistake that eqaulity in law will somehow make life that much easier as there will not be any predjudice , they quite fancy this approach to other apsects of the law as though equality will super every other intention of the law. In short the refer to perfect manual approach . They vie for the perfect crafting of the words that will make us all equal by a belief in will and laywers , rather than a consideration that the holy spirit is complete since it was first given at pentecost . The holy spirit is not a progessive political , sociological manual , it is not a court it does not have beaurocrats , it is free to all those who seek properly its payment .
    That freedom that is at the heart of both republican and conservative thinking , it is co op and not a socialogical conscription . A co op of agreement , fair dealings , civic function for all , to carry forward success and waryness of failing of its component parts .
    When a political party is trying to discerne what sort of Jesus they want to encourage , then that ultimately is truly out of there hands , for the ones that have understood jesus will be the winners , not in the razamtazz of one evening of elections , but in the way they live there lives .
    Jo Biden is well respect politican and devout Roman Catholic , yet he has been party to the beating of the religous sirens about the debt , a debt that children not bourn yet in the USA will be paying for , a debt that will affect peoples real hope in being free of a socialogical construct . I could say the same about the son of the manse although I dont think he was respected .

    So whats the real problem with the USA , well its legisalture has become full of people who can no longer explain where they have come from , its full of argument and not debate , full of people who have got used to acting in a certain way , certain corruptions have become normal as so many new ways of not being able to carry the right thoughts about how to serve its people .
    I mean with weed shops opening up and gay marriage , clearly piety has died and replaced with tempory excitements , complete with dont be a square dude message to the church . I suppose the beginnings of ruin to a society have there evangelists as well , Its just very unfortunate that so much effort will be lost in letting time decide , as it has done before . If the republicans feel that they too must now manufacture idiots that can be controlled by how good they are feeling on what ever they can input as thought and forgetting all about that Bible nonsense , the truly the story of the USA had its last bow to its people and the world , last night .

    • 191
      Erskine May says:

      А lоng аrgυmеnt whіch hоlds tоgеthеr wеll bυt whіch іs pеrfеctly cаpаblе іn bеіng rе-еxprеssеd оυtsіdе оf іts rеlіgіоυs cоntеxt, sаvе іn еxplаіnіng hоw wе gоt tо thіs pоіnt dυе tо thе cоυrsе оf hіstоry.

      Аs а nоn-thеіst (nоt аn аthеіst! І аm nоt fυndаmеntаlіst іn аny wаy), І rеfυsе tо аccеpt thаt my аpprоаch іs nоt cаpаblе оf bеіng dеlіvеrеd wіthоυt mоrаlіty аnd thаt thе Gоldеn Rυlе (іntеrеstіngly іnvеrtеd by Аlfrеd thе Grеаt) prоvіdеs а gооd аnd sυffіcіеnt bаsіs fоr аlmоst аny wоrthwhіlе еthіcаl systеm оnе wоυld wіsh tо dіscоvеr.

      Thе trаppіngs оf rеlіgіоn, pаrtіcυlаrly thе Ρаυlіnе dеvеlоpеd vеrsіоn оf Chrіstіаnіty wіth іts trаnsυbstаntіаtіоn, оrіgіnаl sіn, vіrgіn bіrth, аssυmptіоn оf thе vіrgіn аnd аll sоrts оf оthеr аbsυrdіtіеs rіght dоwn tо pаpаl іnfаllіbіlіty, іs thаt mυch оf іt wаs іntrоdυcеd fоr а vеry bаd nоn-thеіstіc pυrpоsе, оnе thаt wе аrе dеdіcаtеd tо оn thіs sіtе, pоlіtіcаl prоsеlytіsаtіоn аnd pоwеr.

      Іt sυppоrts thе cоntеntіоn thаt fаіth аnd rеаsоn dо nоt mіx. Wе dеcіdеd lоng аgо thаt chυrch аnd stаtе shоυld bе kеpt sеpаrаtеly аnd thе Аmеrіcаns іmprоvеd оn thіs, аt lеаst іn thеоry, whіlst іn thе rеаl wоrld tаkіng nо nоtіcе оf thіs еvеn tо thе еxtеnt оf prіntіng Іn Gоd wе trυst оn thеіr bаnknоtеs, а lυdіcrоυsly іncоnsіstеnt аssеrtіоn whіch υndеrmіnеs thеіr sυpеrіоr sееmіng sеcυlаrіty. Аt lеаst wе hаvе Chаrlеs Dаrwіn іnstеаd bυt thеn wе fаіl by hаvіng bіshоps іn оυr υppеr chаmbеr whеrе lеss thаn 10% оf thе pоpυlаtіоn аrе аdhеrеnts. Hеr Mаjеsty’s rоlеs аs Hеаd оf Stаtе аnd Hеаd оf thе Chυrch (υncоmbіnеd) dоеs sυffіcе.

      Fаіth іs jυst thаt – оnе еіthеr hаs іt оr оnе dоеs nоt. Іt іs nоt sυscеptіblе tо rеаsоn аnd hаs thυs lеаd tо cоυntlеss dеаths іn іts nаmе. Rеаsоn shоυld bе thе оnly drіvеr оf оυr pоlіtіcаl dіscоυrsе. Thе Rеpυblіcаns jυst cаnnоt sее thаt. Fоr аll іts cоnsіdеrаblе fаіlіngs, thе Gеnеrаl Synоd іs lеss lіkеly tо bе lооkеd υpоn аs thе Cоnsеrvаtіvе pаrty аt prаyеr іn thе lаst dеcаdе.
      =
      Thеrе іs а rеspоnsе tо yоυr rаnt whіch, іn yоυr tеrms, іs cυrrеntly rеsіdіng іn pυrgаtоry.

  43. 187
    Tachybaptus says:

    Dear old Not, do you ever not feel in the mood for a rant?

  44. 192
    peter davidson says:

    Admit it, we all want to see Nads showering in the waterfall just a little bit…

  45. 193
    They only come out at night says:

    One for Nads :

  46. 199
    Ron says:

    you couldn’t make this up

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9662546/Bishop-of-Durham-Justin-Welby-to-be-Archbishop-of-Canterbury.html

    Eton educated former Oil executive – brilliant – preaching at the altar of the fucking tories – hahahaha – all he needs is some experience in a bank and he’s have the ‘hat-trick’!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 204
      left,left,nothing left says:

      A load of rubbish, Camoron is still showing how left-wing he is, he’s just following Liebour tradition of appointing a hanger on in place of someone who can actually be of use, no change please move along.

  47. 200
    Doiinnnngggg says:

    so what does Cameron know about dementia?

    Cameron will say: “Through the Dementia Friends project, we will for the first time make sure a million people know how to spot those telltale signs and provide support. There is still a long way to go in fighting the disease, but together we can improve the lives of millions.”

    He’s killing them all off – is that what he means by improvement????

    • 209
      JH says:

      Er, no, your beloved fucking NHS is doing the killing off bit.

      • 210
        jgm2 says:

        No, no. He’s absolutely right. Cameron has instigated a secret death squad to go around the country killing off dementia sufferers. It’s a wing of the same outfit that goes around snatching babies for T*ries to eat.

  48. 201
    Kebab the right wing troll says:

    A muslim at work said he had the whole Koran on DVD. I thought it’d be interesting to check it out so asked him to burn me a copy & thats when it all kicked off

  49. 203
    Kebab Timel says:

    Prime Minister, Mayor of London, next King but one and next Archbishop of Canterbury all went to the same school!

  50. 211
    A cover of Clive Dunn's Grandad, retitled Gordon says:

    Gordon, Gordon
    You’re ugly
    That’s what we all think of you

  51. 212
    Unimpressed says:

    It is funny how certain people applaud rebels for “speaking their own mind” and “acting for their constituents rather than the whips”, but then attack loyalists for doing exactly the same thing….

  52. 216
    Jez says:

    This lady obviously needs a lengthy spell in the jungle.


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“Farage is a snake oil salesman, but a very good one. His supposed anti-immigration stance is all smoke and mirrors, as is his carefully cultivated image as a ‘man of the people’. The truth is that UKIP is a pro-immigration party that exists to lobby for the interests of the City of London.”



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