Another Tory Admits UKIP Cost Them Election
The Tories are always denying that UKIP are a threat, but once again the cat has been let out of the bag. Over in Maidenhead they have suffered an embarrassing council by-election defeat at the hands of their LibDem counterparts. Simon Werner beat his blue opponent Catherine Hollingsworth by a grand total of eight votes, as the UKIP candidate took dozens of votes away from the Tories. Council leader David Burbage in no doubt as to who is to blame:
“It is unfortunate that, largely thanks to UKIP, the residents of Pinkneys Green have missed out from electing a very effective councillor in Catherine Hollingsworth. The last thing that people who voted UKIP would have wanted would be a boost to the pro-EU Lib Dems.”
Fast forward to 2015 and we could be seeing a similar thing on a much larger scale…
Time to get out of the EU.
UKIP is not a threat to Conservatives. Biggest is the ex / current peado MP(s) and / or minister(s) and the cover up, if true. If it is true conservative party if finished.
UKIP are kind of funny but they are pointless c9nts
Obviously, you don’t yet get it do you?
The pointless c9nts you refer to, actually stopped Cameron from forming a Conservative government. I’d say that’s 0-1 to the pointless c9nts from where I’m standing.
Want a replay? Tell Cameron to carry on as he is, ta.
So thanks to these pointless c9nts we have the LibDems running the government rather than a Conservative majority? Oh very well done, UKIP. Very well done indeed.
Morons.
Cameron feels more at home with LDs than some of the nut cases in Tory party.
He could have formed a minority administration or even called an election, he didn’t, he knows he will be in greater mess if there was a Tory majority.
Your grasp of facts is obviously limited so I will make it as simple as possible, so even you can understand.
UKIP offer to stand down ALL candidates in 2010, in return for a referendum. Cameron says “p*ss off, we don’t need you” and fails subsequently to get a majority.
Now just who is the ‘moron’ here?
Maybe voters exist who aren’t completely obsessed with the EU and would much prefer a Tory government to sort out this country’s economic mess than a Labour one or a coalition involving the Lib-Dems. Maybe such voters think that the best actual hope of getting out of the EU lies in a prolonged period of Conservative government which at some stage involves a leader who has the guts to call a referendum (which aint ever going to happen under Labour – be honest with yourself). Such people were completely shafted by UKIP splitting the Conservative vote, and will be in 2015.
The pro-EU Liblabconners are a threat to British prosperity and democracy.
There’s a better answer, grow some balls or get a leader who knows what they are.
Then and only then, someone may listen to what you have to say regarding CONservatives being different from the red and yellow piles of lying shite.
To Essex Van Man. UKippers are not obsessed with the EU, they are realistic about how the EU affects everything that matters in the UK including the economy. Drove past Fleetwood today. It used to have hundreds of trawlers and a thriving fishing industry. Just a handful of boats now and most of the fish processing plants gone. Who has been in charge of Fishing policy for 30 plus years? The EU in its various forms.
Britain is surrounded by sea. Who is taking all the fish?
This is just one example of how the EU has adversely affected our economy. I have many many more.
Can you give me a list of the benefits Britain receives from the EU?
You do realise that the money we receive from the EU is only the money we have paid in, minus a large payment to other countries in the EU. However, the EU tells us how we must spend this money.
Don’t worry about 2015, worry about 2014, when unless things change massively, it’s likely a large number of UKIP MEP’s will be elected.
This may well change how the electorate vote in 2015.
UKIP are only filling a gap in the political market.
Instead of blaming the people who should be their natural allies, perhaps the Tory leadership should start asking why they are losing market share on the right, without gaining an equal or greater share of the centre ground.
Cameron’s entire strategy for victory was built on steering away from the nasty, headbanging Turnip Taliban to attract the husky loving, hoodie hugging, windmill worshippers of Middle England. If, as seems to be the case, that strategy is failing, any intelligent organisation would be examining their assumptions and adjusting their tack accordingly.
They are paid by EU. There leader divorced his British wife and married a German Lady. Don’t even know which country national are his kids.
Might be he is trying to bring it down being inside.
Jesus, the hard of thinking crowd are out in force today. Just what has wanting to be rid of the EU, got anything to do with being anti-European?
Some people are just to thick to be allowed to breathe.
presumably you are an arse bandit?
Operation ore
In Pinkneys Green after weeks of leafleting and heavy canvassing Catherine got somewhere over 800 votes.
After a single leaflet and no noticeable canvassing UKIP got 152.
Lib Dems after spending a lot of time in old people’s homes ‘helping’ them with postal votes won by 8 votes.
Make of it what you will.
No matter how much you fantasize, it will never ever happen.
We are in too deep.
Not sure about that.
Whilst euroscepticism was a minority (sizeable, but still a minority) view, governments of whatever stripe could ignore it. Now, however, poll after poll suggests that euroscepticism is a majority view. Some want out altogether, some want major changes to the EU, but added together, they outnumber those content with the status quo. Governments can’t ignore majority views for too long.
Still only 5% are bothered by EU but I accept in first past the post election it will count even if UKIP doesn’t end up winning any seats.
5%? Where have you been for the last decade?
UKIP doesn’t even get 5% in general elections.
Not every eurosceptic votes UKIP.
5%? wake up, ffs….polls regularly suggest 80% of people want a vote on the EU.
That 5% number comes from some very carefully structured polls which ask people to rank their priorities based on a list of very specific issues chosen to ensure a low response to the European option.
They’ve ignored the majority view on capital punishment for the last 50 years, so why should the UK’s membership of the EU be any different?
Speak for yourself ducky !
Accounts aren’t signed off but to EU net contribution is £10bn. People are worried about it but not worried about DWP (£200bn), as far as I know not signed off as well.
DWP accounts have been signed off. “As far as you know” is about as far as you can piss.
“The level of fraud and error in the welfare system remains unacceptably high. I recognize, however, the difficulty of administering in a cost-effective way a benefits system of such complexity.
“The Department should use the development of Universal Credit as an opportunity to enhance its processes to demonstrate what a modern, effective and joined-up benefits system will look like. In refreshing its approach to reducing fraud and error, the Department needs to continue to improve its understanding of the root causes of fraud and error.”
Amyas Morse, head of the National Audit Office, 12 July 2012
http://www.nao.org.uk/publications/1213/dwp_2011-12.aspx
Oooohhh, you can copy and paste. What’s your next step, actually thinking for yourself rather than let others do it for you?
There is a slight difference between people trying to defraud government by making fraudulent benefit claims, and government employees making off with the dosh.
Engineer, we have more problem in UK. We should try to resolve it before bothering about EU.
EU accounts are routinely not signed off because their budgets are mismanaged (in many cases criminally mismanaged) by those appointed to manage them.
That problem does not occur to anything like the same extent in UK. The ‘fraud’ above refers to fraudulent claims by benefit cheats. Not the same thing at all.
to Anonymous : how can we realistically sort out the mess while the EU is stealing funds from us and generally interfering in our lives ?
We need to free ourselves from the EU criminal cabal NOW.
I don’t want any more EU. So I voted UKIP.
Doh!
Up your’s Marg!!!
SErves the fucking Tories right, they should start listening to the electorate instead of that arsehole Barosso
Never going to happen under the present regime. The eu is too entrenched in the machinery of government, the BBC, etc.
Our only hope is for a partial fracture of the eu that lets us escape before we get sold even further down the river.
I can’t believe anybody really wants Nigel F leading our country, entertaining though he is. Even so, we need to keep voting UKIP at every opportunity to get the message across. Cameron’s suggestion of an ‘in or in’ referendum tells you where he’s headed, and he won’t keep his word anyway.
YES IT IS A BIG ASK. But it has been done in the past.
Ask MR Micheal Collins.
Largest empire in history, is now history. It has been done .
Ask the Russians. They’ll tell you the same.
@ukip
The party of Neil Hamilton. They’ll sort out the sleaze.
Neil Hamilton is that all you have?
I’d take a look at the national newspapers, tv and radio if I were you. Wall to wall Neil Hamilton sleaze stories, oh wait…………
No, I have more.
However, putting Hamilton on UKIP’s NEC is enough to tell me their party is no better than their fellow political sleazeballs. It’s in the same class as the “coalition” retaining a trougher like Laws.
Truly the party of Tory rejects.
Bob Dylan: “Obama landslide”
http://www.fastpages.co.uk/f.php?u=http://news.yahoo.com/bob-dylan-predicts-obama-landslide-061628696.html
And he WILL be right.
Oh the times, they aren’t a changing!¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪
That’s because did.
IT did. More haste less speed.
What has the EU got to do with local councillors?
Pinkneys Green is very nice, BTW.
About as much as the EU has to do with democracy and UKRAP has to do with anything other than wanting to trough on home turf.
Don’t hand the power to LieBore or the Limp Dumbs- tell Farage to strap his parachute on and fly away!
Really? I love it when an ignoramous starts pontificating about the EU having nothing to do with local government.
Clearly you don’t pay council tax or know what is spent and where, under the instructions of our commissars in Belgium.
Want a list of directives thicko?
Are you incapable of responding to a post you disagree with in anything other than a rude and offensive way? Or are you just trying to be “edgy”?
I was responding to a rude and offensive post in kind. If people wish to post in such a way, then they should expect nothing less in return.
I prefer Prussian Blue.
What colour does a Smurf go if you choke it?
Precisely. What’s the big deal about a local council bi-election result?
Vote UKIP – get Libor – or worst – FibDemons
+1 – sense at last!
Vote Cameron and get more EU, guaranteed.
Everyone here is missing a major point – soon after Dave made it to number 10 he got the call from the EU, Dont make any serious waves they said and when you are out of national politcics (next election as it happens) we have a nice EU job for you, ask Kinnochio he will explain everything.
Think this is unlikely – you are f**king wearing the tin foil.
Then call me Dave has only one course of action , EU ref in/out.Its really that easy, unless he’s totally stupid which is very probable
Not really – he can tell the Tory faithful to stop whining and complaining about what they CAN”T have, stop talking down what has been done, get off their arses and FUC.KING VOTE!!!
LieBore are flapping about outside the electoral window like a cheap vampire, waiting to suck the rest of the life out of our economy.
UKRAP? Don’t make me laugh! If they are the ANSWER…. it must have been a damned foolish question.
He’s rewarded his ‘Tory faithful’ by increasing taxes, attacking SMEs and penalising pensioners who tried to be less dependent on the state, all to increase aid for 3rd world space programs, and those poor struggling chaps in Brussels.. why in the world would they whine and complain?
That’s the authentic voice of Cameron’s lick spittle army.
Shut up, pay up and vote for much more of the same old shite. If you don’t, some twat who will do virtually everything Cameron is doing will get in.
Hardly a winning platform eh?
The authentic voice of UKIPers.
Utter denial about the differences between Conservative policies and Labour ones; total indifference to what will happen to this country if Balls becomes Chancellor; voting for a party which has a snowball’s chance in hell of actually returning an MP.
Nutters.
Cameron’s a twat – he’ll keep increasing taxes and immigration just like labour and libdems will.
Grow some balls and vote for ukip.
Why are so many UKIP supporters here obsessed with people “growing balls”? There’s clearly a latent sub-text here, which I suspect says a lot about UKIPers and their, er, “issues”.
Saw on this site yesterday ,a post that said SamCam had plastic surgery on her Ar*e. Sad to say he’ll be back in the HoC very soon.
Vote Tory get a socialist in wolf’s clothing.
Vote conserveit’s-self and get OSWALD Mosley’s wet dream.
Your’O filth.
No difference between lib lab con – they will all raise taxes and immigration
fuck ‘em
Vote Cons – get blu socialists
Vote Lib – get socialist w**kers
Vote Lab – get Brown mk2
So whats the f***ing difference or point?
this is why we need a preferential voting system, so that the Lib Dems really can’t get any power
What about labour voters they will take?
Or dont they go the pleb areas.
81lly, I assume that you don’t vote Labour, but you are still the biggest pleb I have ever come across and I doubt you live in an area that the Conservatives bother to visit.
More to the point, he must be claiming bennies to spend all day & night on here.
Or he is an MP
Hi 8illy, it’s your stalker.
Do you not think there are many of us on the left who would want out of the EU?
a lack of invasion. uk invaded 90% of the UN countries.
then we had invasion of privacy…and NewsInt paid a price.
all the while the power that makes this country great were really really dark. we really do have a problem with boundaries in this country. is that what god had in mind when it made us an island. best well kept away from the rest of the world, but then.
I thought half term was over.
I think you ought to make sure that you take your medication on a more regular basis.
Do they have crayons where you sleep?
Paranoia is a very debilitating condition. I suggest you try to stay away from other paranoids as it only tends to make the condition worse if you associate with them. Not postinb here would be a very goood start to your treatment.
Way to Nonny Mouse!
I will vote UKIP until the Tories hold a referendum on Europe. Of course to do that the Tories have to be in power with a majority. And there is zero chance of that happening if the right-wing vote is split and UKIP hands power to Labour and the LibDems in 2015. But I’m ok with that – I can carry on spitting bile about Cameron and fantasise about a “real Conservative” government rising from the ashes in 2020. People say that won’t happen either, because by 2020 Miliband will be riding high on the economic recovery and will be settling into at least another 5 years. But then I’m actually ok with that too, because at least I’ll still be able to bang my UKIP drum and shout how I’m right and everyone else is wrong. And that’s what’s most important to me.
count me in as well, voting lib-dumbs liebour or CONservatives just get’s you more EU
so it’s UKIP for me. Cameron is killing his own party from within, it was his stance on Europe that has forced people like me away from conservatives to UKIP. He only has him self to blame.
A very good tongue in cheek post, pretty much sums up the average UKIP hard right goofball. Repeat it again and again.
Cast Iron Dave has already demonstrated his innate capacity to lose, I’m sure he will oblige again with or without anyone elses help,
Cast Iron Dave has already demonstrated his innate capacity to lose, I’m sure he will oblige again with or without anyone elses help.
I will keep voting for tory because I’m too gay to vote for ukip.
Although Cameron has every intention of raising more taxes, increasing immigration, selling our country out to the EU and generally being a useless twat, I will vote tory because mummy says I should.
“All the time the power that makes this country great were really really dark.”
Utter bollocks.
Try – trade, scientific and industrial invention, education, democracy (which started about 1215 with Magna Carta, and grew bit by bit – it’s still growing), free speech, cheap energy in the form of coal (OK – coal is really dark), fish and chips, the adoption of tea as our national beverage, tolerance (most of the time), and the capacity to laugh at ourselves.
inventiveness is a privilege.
when the most privileged use it on others….from countries to children, to do as they wish. One creates hatred and other suicidal feelings.
for everything else we have The BBC, British Brainwashing for children, both at home and abroad.
Bob Crow? The Union movement as a whole?
In reply to no.17
This is precisely the kind of result I want to see replicated in every first past the post election in the UK until the tories actually hold a referendum to leave the EU, not promise to hold one, hold one.
I’m not holding my breath.
Wise not to with that rat Cameron
I’ll be voting UKIP until Cameron, or his replacement, get the message,.
I have shaved my head, taken a solemn vow in the Temple and will not vote Lib/Lab/Con until they give the people of Britain an IN/Out referendum on Europe.
Till that time I shall vote for UKIP or deliberately spoil my vote by writing a suitable comment on it. (Any suggestions?) All spoiled ballot papers have to be counted and recorded, and read out by the presiding electoral officer.
Bollox Guido. They didn’t take away votes. The Tory voters just didn’t bother to vote. And once again goes to prove “vote UKIP and get a Labour or Liberal europhile”
Of course Cameron is not a EUphile, no he stomps his feet and tells the EU straight ” I can forsee no reason and would never want to leave the EU under any circumstances”, “now can we pretty please re-negotiate over the next twenty years our terms of surrender”.
Yep, spot the difference time again.
The Tories will have to change direction to recover the UKIP vote, and there is no chance of them doing that with the current leadership.
im sure they’ll get over it. i doubt that some random council in middle of nowhere could affect eu membership. nah, this surely was won on local issues…
As a previous long-term canvasser I can tell you that about 80% of the electorate don’t know the difference between local and general elections.
And as for EU and Police Commissioner Elections…..
… and 70% of them don’t turn out to vote.
Time for a pact?
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I’m afraid La La is currently assisting the BBC with its internal Savile enquiries. Can I be of any use in the meantime?
If you do not accept something is wrong or not working, then you will not change it… The Ballot Box is natures way of telling one ” what you are doing is not working” blaming others is what children do as a defence. Guido is right to point out the shift of public feeling because of the economic climate, it’s affect and cause. Those who ignore the warnings signs and do nothing, will usually perish in the long run. Cancer, Diabetes or Politics… take your pick
Do you mean ‘the’ Bollox Box’?
Fuck them all
Hope this will bring the Tories to their senses, but I doubt it.
They have no senses.
Has Guido gone MOD happy?
Pinkneys Green is full of gays bumming each other in the woods, Hollingsworth did fuck all…..
Nah, they cut down the bushes by that layby and the doggers can’t use it any more.
Oh yeah….you walk your dog around there then, fucking jubber ronnies and gay pornos all over. The Thicket’s fucked too….much like the Tories.
The difference is that the Tories have fucked themselves. UKIP didn’t cost the Tories the election. The Tories cost the Tories the election. And the same will happen next time if they continue to ignore the democratic will of the people as they do in Brussels.
What “democratic will”? Who on earth gave UKIP the right to speak on behalf of the entire British people?
Jeez, self-delusional doesn’t even begin to decribe it.
The only mandate that UKIP got is the votes they took. If it deprived the conservatives of a majority government, then surely that is argument enough. To suggest that UKIP votes should be switched to the conservatives to deny a labour victory is to suggest that we all should indulge in tactical voting and to ignore our beliefs. Unless the conservatives admit that UKIP beliefs are instrumental in voting intentions they will ultimately fail. To say UKIP supporters should just quietly vote conservative to keep out labour is a perversion of the UK political system and will achieve nothing.
@Anony
The only reason Cameron has not lived up to his “cast iron” guarantee for a referendum is because the shiteyhead knows the people will vote to come out of the EU.
The bastard is afraid of democracy and is utterly contemptible because of it.
Dave is so simply simply marvellous. He should stand firm against these simply simply horrid people who are voting for UKIP, and say NO NO NO to a referendum.
I`m sure he will. And with your support Julie, Julie Kirkbride, Dave is bound to romp home to a resounding victory at the next election.
More Gin major?
UKIP are doing very well in local politics. It will provide them with a good power base by the time of the next election.
May warns Guido Fawkes and his co-conspirators not to name any suspects in child abuse case saying it could jeapordise any future trial
Tom Watson, yet again protected by Guido mod.
People should vote for who they want in
Stop trying to control democracy !!!
Don’t let the peadoes in the B B C get away with it.
Vote UKIP!
It’ll take the spotlight of me,and you ain’t seen me,right?
Its almost like our current election system isn’t fit for purpose when voting for UKIP can get libdem candidates elected.
Why did we reject the much better AV again?
to stop the libdems getting elected forever and ever amen
Council Leader Burbage:” The last thing that people who voted UKIP would have wanted would be a boost to the pro-EU Lib Dems.” The solution is simple old fellow: get your party to move back from the left and develop some sane policies on Europe.
Just take a look at the poll numbers, you could argue it’s only mid-term blues and Militwerp will be a deterrent except we know Labour will vote for a red rosed donkey anyway. UKIP are not the cause of Cameron’s woes, it’s Liberal Demotwat Cameron himself by lying about a referendum and pissing away billions in foreign aid and being comrehensively useless. Even ignoring the UKIP vote, Cameron has no, nil, nein, nuffink chance of re-election in 2015. Voting UKIP is our patriotic duty to force the Conservative MPs to elect a proper Conservative leader in time for 2015.
Hear Hear.
DAVE IS A PC WEAKLING.
He hasn’t eliminated M.P.’s troughing.
He hasn’t instituted real big time public sector cuts
He hasn’t sorted the Bankers.
Etc.etc.
DUMP THE CXNT NOW!
All Cameron has to do is deliver a referendum.
If he loses because he does not do this, then he deserves to lose.
Three comments made today. Two appear in the wrong place…..the other is awaiting moderation/censorship (since 1608hrs). What’s going on?
I’m going to vote UKIP in 2015 — because:
Coalition haven’t eliminated deficit
National Debt over £1 trillion
Country is crawling with immigrants.
Dave thinks same sex marriage is a good idea.
Liebour will get in and finish totally fxxking up the economy by 2018.
Then me and my mates will wake up and vote in a proper right wing Government in 2020, and sort out the country and all the leftie shampain socialist cnuts once and for all.
+1
I fully support those who voted UKIP and cost Hollingsworth the seat (not her seat).
Until those in control realise that individuals *are* going to vote how they please and the results *might well* cause them to be out of power they are not going to listen.
I will go further and say that the chance of Eurosceptics – no, scrap that, realists being heard and listened to by those who seek to stay in power is massively increased as a result of the scrapping of boundary reforms.
We may have Clegg to thank for the ultimate short term success of an in/out referendum by scrapping of boundary reforms, so weakening the chances of conservative party being re-elected.
A weakened conservative party will find it necessary to re-examine it’s conservatism and accommodate the causes of the haemorrhaging. This will include Mr. Fantastic Iain’s and Mr. Daredevil Michael’s reforms along with tax reform and an acknowledgement that lying your arse of to the populace with manifesto promises which are broken faster than Clegg’s political compass changes direction won’t work anymore.
Either that, or it’s a coalition with Labour next time, boys.
I am voting UKIP. If they don’t win, then it does not make a jot of difference which of liblabcons do win, since they will all raise taxes, sell us out to the EU and keep up the immigration.
Rather than just walking away (in ignominy), when is someone sensible going to build an alliance with the Cypriots, who have just tried, commendably but unsuccessfully, to negotiate a 50 billion Euro REDUCTION in the EU budget?
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/pdfs/news/expert/infopress/20121030IPR54802/20121030IPR54802_en.pdf
“he last thing that people who voted UKIP would have wanted would be a boost to the pro-EU Lib Dems.”
Indeed. Gosh if only there were some election method by which a voter could express a preference for multiple candidates.